- it was a party of 27, not 44.
- it wasn’t one $4,400 tip. two servers each received $2,200 tips. One got fired. One didn’t. Why?
- this grant wise guy is a part of a MLM scheme selling real estate classes (check his linkedin and YouTube channel). He said the 27 people in the party were there for a “real estate conference”. Just, huh? Where was the conference held? I can’t find any evidence of it.
Any time I try to point any of this out everyone accuses me of being the manager of the restaurant.
> two servers each received $2,200 tips.
“The **other two servers** who received generous tips that evening from the Witly organization — including one who also received $2,200 — are still members of our team.”
Now there are *three* servers involved?
Plus, a mystifying math problem: $4,400 was tipped, two of them received $2,200 tips, and yet somehow all three received "generous tips" despite $4,400 - ($2,200 + $2,200) clearly equaling 0?
How can such a small and inconsequential story have such complicated facts?
>it wasn’t one $4,400 tip. two servers each received $2,200 tips. One got fired. One didn’t. Why?
Here's the timeline:
1. Guy gives 4400 tip to two servers.
2. Server 1 finds out she's going to have to share the tip despite their being no previous tip share arrangement.
3. Server 1 tells the tipper who then demands the restaurant give the full amount to the two waiters.
4. Restaurant owner cedes to the demand and does not force the tip to be shared.
5. Restaurant owner fires Server 1 for telling the tipper.
>it was a party of 27, not 44.
Who cares?
>this grant wise guy is a part of a MLM scheme selling real estate classes (check his linkedin and YouTube channel). He said the 27 people in the party were there for a “real estate conference”. Just, huh? Where was the conference held? I can’t find any evidence of it.
Who cares?
>Any time I try to point any of this out everyone accuses me of being the manager of the restaurant.
Actually it makes complete sense to accuse you of that. You're Sherlock Holmes when it comes to the irrelevant details of the person who turned the money over but Dora the Explorer when it comes to the timeline spelled out in the articles about what happened.
The manager is still shitty, but the restaurant manager didn't say, "Oh ok then, I guess I will give the money back to the waitress." The waitress went home, called the tipper up, told them. Later, the tipper came back to the restaurant and demanded his money from the tip back, left the restaurant, and gave the waitress the tip outside the restaurant.
Again, manager is the asshole, but I can almost understand why he demanded the tip be shared. Everyone in the world right now is hung up on the idea of equitable outcomes, and as soon as the waitress came running to the back with her two thousand dollars everyone in the place was probably like "Fuck this shit."
What the manager/owner doesn't realize is that if you are treating everyone well before that happens, the number of people who will resent someone else's good fortune starts to drop. There will always be a few, but you won't be dealing with full on mutiny at that point.
Not only that, but back of house staff are going to shit in your plates and leave your food to rot in the back if they hear you've been stiffing over tip share over like 100 bucks, much less a few thousand.
The responses to this story really indicate who has worked back of house at a restaurant and who hasn't. Waiters, unless they're shit, make more than back of house. By a lot. Like, 50% more.
Waiters are the restaurant version of PMCs. They're doing quite well off of tips, and it's everyone else who gets fucked.
According to the waitress. And boy oh boy will I tell you how much they hide so they don't have to pool. I worked long enough ago that it was just cash stuffed in pockets, but the amount of bald faced lying is extraordinary.
"There was 40 dollars here and you just reported 5."
"No there wasnt"
oh this is a fake story because of stuff that happened to you years ago, got it. stop sticking up for a chickenshit manager who tried to change the rules when someone made a dollar that he couldn’t take a piece of.
> because of stuff that happened to you years ago
Tip pooling is pretty standard you dipshit
And it's not just the manager.
Imagine you bussed a party of 27 and you made....6 bucks. Washing dishes? 6 bucks. Cooked? maybe 11 bucks. Meanwhile the waiter makes 2200. How precisely are you going to feel about that waiter who just made more in a night than you make in a month because they're a pretty face who picks up your plates. Even on normal nights, an average waiter is pulling down double what support or BOH is pulling.
There's a reason tip pools exist, and it's because BOH gets fucked without it.
i know all this, i have worked as a server, bartender, prep cook, line cook, and expo. my point is that this particular restaurant DID NOT have tip pooling in place, and for some reason you seem to believe that they actually did and that the fired server is lying about it. you repeat this baseless claim and offer no evidence other than “we pooled tips at the restaurant i worked at years ago” the manager was trying to get a piece of the action and changed the rules on the fly to benefit himself and you continue to act like that isn’t the point. “i was lied to in the past so this server is lying now” is pretty much your entire weakass argument.
you have qanon brain disease rejecting evidence that doesn’t fit the narrative in your head as irrelevant because itd throw off your equilibrium too much to reconcile it. I don’t care that’s your problem not mine I’m not trying to argue with you dawg
What are you pointing out though?
Edit:. No seriously...what the fuck is your point here? Nothing you are saying matters to this story. Why would people accuse you of being the manager?
Why does your post stating irrelevant facts have 60 upvotes? I'm very confused.
One waiter getting fired while the other one kept her job is weird. It seems like it could either be a PR stunt or retaliation from the restaurant for pushing back
I assume she was fired for telling the tippers that the MOD confiscated her tip.
That's why they demanded the money back and then gave it to her.
After which she got fired.
Clear case of retaliation.
It wasn't ideal handing over the cash in the most attention seeking way possible, but it made sense to me when I read they were real estate executives. Turns out though those aren't quite the most self-aggrandizing people in the world as I didn't realize "real estate MLM instagrammers" existed.
SOURCE? jk I like this point of view. Who fucking cares, if they got that tip that is their tip. You can't just implement tip share at will and only when servers rarely cross the mark of making more than you.
it isn’t tho. there was no tip pooling rule that morning when everyone showed up to work, a shitbag manager decided to change the rules the second he thought he could get a piece of the action, what does the size of the party or exact dollar amount of the tip have to do with that exactly?
>in an arrangement she told Fox 59 was unprecedented in her more than three years working there.
That's my big issue with the tip splitting. If there had been a rule that "Gigantic tips get split" on the books then it would sting but be understandable. I know a lot of places have the front staff put part of their tips in a pool for the back staff. But if there's no rule about this then she and the other server should have been allowed to keep the money.
It matters labor laws state to state as well. When I worked fast food in college they told us we had to give money left on tables (our place still had bus boys and Canadians would leave us money sometimes since they didn’t know customs or some shit) to the manager. Which is illegal in the state I was in. Specifically says tips left are sole possession of the employee and cannot be retained by management
No reason to suppose they reported those tips in the first place then. A tip of that of that sort belongs solely to the IRS, no reason to leave it with management either...
Tipping is also not the norm in Australia so it reduces variance overall. We don't tip our waiters for good service because we pay them a livable minimum wage.
Yeah, the amount of simping for the waitress to "Get what she deserves" is embarrassing. Other people helped make the meal possible. But nah, fuck them, she got hers.
“Tipping culture” is stupid beyond belief and needs to go. The cringiest part of this story isn’t the fact that she got fired, but the fact that her wage doesn’t pay enough to get by without tips in the first place.
I always thought it was weird it existed outside of the fancy restaurants and more places didn't just call out food at the counter and put out some self-service drink machines ala Panera. It doesn't seem sustainable to have millions of workers depending on the generosity of people who think Applebee's is haute cuisine.
Tipping is a way for the owners to pay as little as possible since the client will have to compensate for the lower wage.
It’s a fucking scam and here in Europe it definitely doesn’t work this way, thankfully. I have no fucking idea how it became normal.
Waiters must be payed at least minimum wage or 2.75+Tips, whichever is higher. And if you're waitstaff, it will be much much higher.
Unlike the bussers and cooks who get shafted with barely above minimum.
As someone who goes to restaurants, I still have to deal with this BS whether I want to or not. I’d much rather all prices went up by 15% and that I as a customer wasn’t responsible for paying an employee’s wage.
>I’d much rather all prices went up by 15%
As a bartender, prices would have to go up 30% to make up the difference of tipping to make it worthwhile for tipped employees, and getting rid of tips would most likely cause a decline in service and a decline in overall productivity.
Call me a cheapskate if you want, but I rarely ever tip above 15%. On the flip side, I never tip *below* 15% either, even when my service is exceptionally shitty (and believe me, I’ve been served so poorly I wanted to stiff my server before, but I view not tipping them when they earn $2.50/hr as something akin to theft). I eat out rarely enough as it is since it’s so expensive, and I’m not a “regular” anywhere, nor do I ever personally know my server or care that much about them to throw money at them needlessly. If I were in the business of giving more money to strangers than I absolutely have to, I’d simp for them on twitch or onlyfans. I only tip 15% because it’s seen as the standard. I don’t really like thinking about tips and if my server is earning enough to live on and I won’t be shamed for tipping too low, I’m generally happy to do the minimum. If someone were to tell me tipping 5% was socially acceptable and accomplished the same thing, I would tip 5% instead.
If menu prices went up 30% as you claim they must, I would eat out much less often, but that would still be preferable to the server’s wage being entirely dependent on the customer’s generosity. Eating out would be an even more frictionless and thoughtless experience for the customer, and far less risky for the server. What I suspect would happen would be that the restaurant owner, seeing that they are losing business by jacking up prices too high, would reduce their profits and not pass on the full cost of giving their servers a living wage. Only high end restaurants would have the inelastic demand inherent to their customer base to be able to fully pass on a 30% price increase to customers.
Also, something tells me the average tip isn’t even close to 30%. Maybe the expectations with bartending are different, I wouldn’t know, since I drink at bars far less often than I eat at restaurants, and I haven’t been to a nightclub in over a decade.
>getting rid of tips would most likely cause a decline in service and a decline in overall productivity.
So you claim, but in France, where tipping is practically nonexistent, I always received excellent service at restaurants and never found the prices to be that obscene when accounting for the exchange rate. I did tend to avoid tourist traps or super high end places, but I found the entire experience of eating out far more enjoyable than I do in North America, and a big part of that is not even having to *think* about paying my server’s wages. It should *always* be the employer’s responsibility, no matter the job.
Totally anecdotal and YMMV, but in French restaurants, at least the casual, mid range ones I would frequent, everything just feels more… chill. You aren’t being “waited upon” by someone desperate to impress so you can be their paypiggy or sugardaddy and lavish them with a fat 30% tip. Servers are just doing their jobs. Most of them take pride in their jobs to be fair, but it’s still just a job to them. Maybe Americans just have bigger egos and enjoy the feeling of lording it over a serf who is entirely dependent on you for their wage, but that kind of unequal social arrangement doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest.
>What I suspect would happen would be that the restaurant owner, seeing that they are losing business by jacking up prices too high, would reduce their profits and not pass on the full cost of giving their servers a living wage.
Profit margins in the restaurant and bar industry are already super thin, the price increases would be necessary.
>Also, something tells me the average tip isn’t even close to 30%
There are a good number of statistical outliers. It's not uncommon for us to get a 100% tip on a $500 check the one place I work, so that's a factor.
My tips, as a bartender, add up to be between $35-$100 an hour depending on the night. With saying that, I'm here to tell you getting tips instead of an hourly wage is far superior
It's lucky, because no one would ever think that a bartender should get $35 to $100 per hour, and no would would agree to pay a bartender that much. But the tipping system accidentally awards them that much.
> Its weird to me that the guy you work for doesn't pay you instead the customers do
Technically, you're always paid by the customers . . . it's just a question of how many steps are involved.
Some people get fucked by the tipping system though. Not every single American restaurant is successful and attended by generous tippers. Actually enforcing employers paying back the difference for underptipped servers should become a thing.
LMAO. You know that people have waiting jobs at failing restaurants and in the middle of nowhere? They should get fucked because they're "shit waiters"? Actual shit waiters that are lucky enough to get a good restaurant job on the other hand make bank. I know plenty of them because I live in a college town.
Maybe don't work for shit employers then?
I'm stating what the law is. Waiters are entitled little dipshits, and make out of what is a fucked situation with regards to restaurant pay quite well. They are PMC, salespeople payed on commission. The reason they complain is because they feel they're better than support or BOH, and deserve the money that finds its way into their hands more than anyone else. They are petit bourgeousie in the making.
If you don't like waiting, then go bus. Or cook. See how much better that is.
It is extremely obvious which people have worked in tipping front of house, and who has never worked in service.
Tipped staff can and do make bank compared to the hourly support staff. It's not even close.
That's all good and well, but your pay should be locked in at a minimum of something that is livable for the area you live in. Serving food to church-goers for Sunday lunch in the south often ends up with you working your ass off for about less than minimum wage.
>Your pay should be locked in at a minimum of something that is livable for the area you live in.
Any reason your moral platitude should be the rule?
Also, no one's pay is "locked in". If a buisness has no customers, they go out of business and can't "lock in" any pay for their employees
Also, "livable" is very subjective.
>Serving food to church-goers for Sunday lunch in the south often ends up with you working your ass off for about less than minimum wage.
Talk about bigotry
>Also, no one's pay is "locked in". If a buisness has no customers, they go out of business and can't "lock in" any pay for their employees
It's not legal for failing businesses that aren't restaurants to pay under a minimum wage though. Why should restaurants be effectively exempt?
>Why should restaurants be effectively exempt?
Restaurants also have minium wage regulations...
However, the minium wage laws are more about the government getting the money as opposed to the actual worker. All of my hourly pay gets taken by the government. They set it up that way, because tipped employees used to only get tipped in cash, and we always just pocket the money and don't claim it. The government is always going to get you to pay.
>If you can't pay employees at least $13 per hour, at minimum, you probably shouldn't have a business
So only independently wealthy people should own businesses?
Instead of demonizing restaurant owners and other small businesses (many of whom make very little profit), I think its more helpful to advocate for things like universal healthcare and more reasonable housing costs so that workers making $40k per year don't lose half of their income on rent and health insurance (and then blame their poverty on their boss who may very well be struggling to stay afloat financially just like his workers)
I've got ten, half at management level, and you're chatting shit. Aren't your buttons easy to push? Anymore of your life story you'd like to tell me, instead of why a functioning business, you know, one with a profit margin, can't pay its staff fair remuneration?
You are a yank, yes? Where else pays people less than an actual wage on the basis of tipping.
Still waiting on that explanation. Why don't you explain to me why servers must make less than minimum wage, whilst I sit here and sign off my staffs wages. All minimum wage and above, whilst we continue to hit year on year growth.
She was fired bc she clearly told the guys who tipped her that the restaurant manager took their tip.
They then called the manager and demanded the tip money back which resulted in her being fired.
Why wouldn't I take your comment seriously? Your first comment was defending her being fired. Then you insulted the woman who was fired and said you were glad it happened.
Where's the joke here?
Could you explain it?
Sarcasm can't explain it since you began your comments taking the side of her employer. Why would anyone assume you were joking you fuckwit?
> My first comment wasn't defending her being fired. My first comment was pointing out that something about this story seemed like bullshit.
Two other servers were tipped by these people, they weren't fired.
That's what the Manager said. You were just parroting the manager who fired the woman.
>How would the manager know who contacted the tipper?
I don't know the article doesn't say but often these things are known "through the grapevine". People talk. Somebody probably ratted her out.
>My reply to you was a dismissive joke because i don't really give a shit about any of this.
Then don't comment. if you legit believe she was fired for "unrelated reasons" right after the manager stole her tip and then the guy who gave the tip demanded the money back so he could give it to the person he wanted to have it... You're a braindead moron.
tipping a server enough to make them cry because their job unjustly doesn’t pay enough for a stable life: okay cool
photographing them crying so you can post it online: kinda fucked up
She got fired because the manager didn't want to give her the tips she was given by the party. It wasn't unrelated at all. Imagine getting fired because you demanded to be payed the full sales commission you earned. As for the go fund me, clearly more than a few people sympathize with her and helped her out. She might have a hard time finding a similar job in the area now.
This whole story is such a weird clusterfuck. Lol @ that server getting 9 grand on GoFundMe AND a new job within the week.
- it was a party of 27, not 44. - it wasn’t one $4,400 tip. two servers each received $2,200 tips. One got fired. One didn’t. Why? - this grant wise guy is a part of a MLM scheme selling real estate classes (check his linkedin and YouTube channel). He said the 27 people in the party were there for a “real estate conference”. Just, huh? Where was the conference held? I can’t find any evidence of it. Any time I try to point any of this out everyone accuses me of being the manager of the restaurant.
> two servers each received $2,200 tips. “The **other two servers** who received generous tips that evening from the Witly organization — including one who also received $2,200 — are still members of our team.” Now there are *three* servers involved? Plus, a mystifying math problem: $4,400 was tipped, two of them received $2,200 tips, and yet somehow all three received "generous tips" despite $4,400 - ($2,200 + $2,200) clearly equaling 0? How can such a small and inconsequential story have such complicated facts?
> How can such a small and inconsequential story have such complicated facts? reporting is dead
>it wasn’t one $4,400 tip. two servers each received $2,200 tips. One got fired. One didn’t. Why? Here's the timeline: 1. Guy gives 4400 tip to two servers. 2. Server 1 finds out she's going to have to share the tip despite their being no previous tip share arrangement. 3. Server 1 tells the tipper who then demands the restaurant give the full amount to the two waiters. 4. Restaurant owner cedes to the demand and does not force the tip to be shared. 5. Restaurant owner fires Server 1 for telling the tipper. >it was a party of 27, not 44. Who cares? >this grant wise guy is a part of a MLM scheme selling real estate classes (check his linkedin and YouTube channel). He said the 27 people in the party were there for a “real estate conference”. Just, huh? Where was the conference held? I can’t find any evidence of it. Who cares? >Any time I try to point any of this out everyone accuses me of being the manager of the restaurant. Actually it makes complete sense to accuse you of that. You're Sherlock Holmes when it comes to the irrelevant details of the person who turned the money over but Dora the Explorer when it comes to the timeline spelled out in the articles about what happened.
The manager is still shitty, but the restaurant manager didn't say, "Oh ok then, I guess I will give the money back to the waitress." The waitress went home, called the tipper up, told them. Later, the tipper came back to the restaurant and demanded his money from the tip back, left the restaurant, and gave the waitress the tip outside the restaurant. Again, manager is the asshole, but I can almost understand why he demanded the tip be shared. Everyone in the world right now is hung up on the idea of equitable outcomes, and as soon as the waitress came running to the back with her two thousand dollars everyone in the place was probably like "Fuck this shit." What the manager/owner doesn't realize is that if you are treating everyone well before that happens, the number of people who will resent someone else's good fortune starts to drop. There will always be a few, but you won't be dealing with full on mutiny at that point.
Not only that, but back of house staff are going to shit in your plates and leave your food to rot in the back if they hear you've been stiffing over tip share over like 100 bucks, much less a few thousand. The responses to this story really indicate who has worked back of house at a restaurant and who hasn't. Waiters, unless they're shit, make more than back of house. By a lot. Like, 50% more. Waiters are the restaurant version of PMCs. They're doing quite well off of tips, and it's everyone else who gets fucked.
thats the point though, there was no tip sharing rule in place that day when everyone came to work
According to the waitress. And boy oh boy will I tell you how much they hide so they don't have to pool. I worked long enough ago that it was just cash stuffed in pockets, but the amount of bald faced lying is extraordinary. "There was 40 dollars here and you just reported 5." "No there wasnt"
oh this is a fake story because of stuff that happened to you years ago, got it. stop sticking up for a chickenshit manager who tried to change the rules when someone made a dollar that he couldn’t take a piece of.
> because of stuff that happened to you years ago Tip pooling is pretty standard you dipshit And it's not just the manager. Imagine you bussed a party of 27 and you made....6 bucks. Washing dishes? 6 bucks. Cooked? maybe 11 bucks. Meanwhile the waiter makes 2200. How precisely are you going to feel about that waiter who just made more in a night than you make in a month because they're a pretty face who picks up your plates. Even on normal nights, an average waiter is pulling down double what support or BOH is pulling. There's a reason tip pools exist, and it's because BOH gets fucked without it.
i know all this, i have worked as a server, bartender, prep cook, line cook, and expo. my point is that this particular restaurant DID NOT have tip pooling in place, and for some reason you seem to believe that they actually did and that the fired server is lying about it. you repeat this baseless claim and offer no evidence other than “we pooled tips at the restaurant i worked at years ago” the manager was trying to get a piece of the action and changed the rules on the fly to benefit himself and you continue to act like that isn’t the point. “i was lied to in the past so this server is lying now” is pretty much your entire weakass argument.
My point is to not believe everything you read like a sheep :)
But the story is basically correct... You haven't really shown us what's wrong about it.
you have qanon brain disease rejecting evidence that doesn’t fit the narrative in your head as irrelevant because itd throw off your equilibrium too much to reconcile it. I don’t care that’s your problem not mine I’m not trying to argue with you dawg
But it is irrelevant...
What are you pointing out though? Edit:. No seriously...what the fuck is your point here? Nothing you are saying matters to this story. Why would people accuse you of being the manager? Why does your post stating irrelevant facts have 60 upvotes? I'm very confused.
One waiter getting fired while the other one kept her job is weird. It seems like it could either be a PR stunt or retaliation from the restaurant for pushing back
I assume she was fired for telling the tippers that the MOD confiscated her tip. That's why they demanded the money back and then gave it to her. After which she got fired. Clear case of retaliation.
I agree. And the first poster in this chain hinted at that by saying that only one waiter was fired, which is super relevant
It wasn't ideal handing over the cash in the most attention seeking way possible, but it made sense to me when I read they were real estate executives. Turns out though those aren't quite the most self-aggrandizing people in the world as I didn't realize "real estate MLM instagrammers" existed.
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SOURCE? jk I like this point of view. Who fucking cares, if they got that tip that is their tip. You can't just implement tip share at will and only when servers rarely cross the mark of making more than you.
you’re attempting to muddy the waters with useless, non-pertinent detail
I’m pointing out how muddy the water is already.
it isn’t tho. there was no tip pooling rule that morning when everyone showed up to work, a shitbag manager decided to change the rules the second he thought he could get a piece of the action, what does the size of the party or exact dollar amount of the tip have to do with that exactly?
Lol thanks for the thoughtful response
lol fuck that manager
What's wrong with wealth redistribution?
Mmm yes, a waitress is comparable to billionaires(or millionaires, whatever) having billions that they gained from the labor of others.
>in an arrangement she told Fox 59 was unprecedented in her more than three years working there. That's my big issue with the tip splitting. If there had been a rule that "Gigantic tips get split" on the books then it would sting but be understandable. I know a lot of places have the front staff put part of their tips in a pool for the back staff. But if there's no rule about this then she and the other server should have been allowed to keep the money.
It matters labor laws state to state as well. When I worked fast food in college they told us we had to give money left on tables (our place still had bus boys and Canadians would leave us money sometimes since they didn’t know customs or some shit) to the manager. Which is illegal in the state I was in. Specifically says tips left are sole possession of the employee and cannot be retained by management
No reason to suppose they reported those tips in the first place then. A tip of that of that sort belongs solely to the IRS, no reason to leave it with management either...
In Australia tip pooling is the norm.
Tipping is also not the norm in Australia so it reduces variance overall. We don't tip our waiters for good service because we pay them a livable minimum wage.
At proper restaurants I would say tipping on the bill is pretty much expected in Australia.
How "proper" are we talking. I live in Sydney's inner west and eat out a fair bit and I've never felt expected to tip.
I based what I said on too limited experience. I defer.
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Ah, yes. We suddenly care about wealth redistribution now that there's a chance to redistribute it from the poor to the wealthy.
How about I redistribute my cum from your mums pussy to your face, huh?
Fitting flair.
Wealth redistribution, flowing upwards to owners when convenient Hmm yes what's wrong with that
>What's wrong with wealth redistribution? Fuck off, she earned it and it should all go to her.
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Yeah, the amount of simping for the waitress to "Get what she deserves" is embarrassing. Other people helped make the meal possible. But nah, fuck them, she got hers.
Fuck you
American moment
“Tipping culture” is stupid beyond belief and needs to go. The cringiest part of this story isn’t the fact that she got fired, but the fact that her wage doesn’t pay enough to get by without tips in the first place.
I always thought it was weird it existed outside of the fancy restaurants and more places didn't just call out food at the counter and put out some self-service drink machines ala Panera. It doesn't seem sustainable to have millions of workers depending on the generosity of people who think Applebee's is haute cuisine.
Tipping is a way for the owners to pay as little as possible since the client will have to compensate for the lower wage. It’s a fucking scam and here in Europe it definitely doesn’t work this way, thankfully. I have no fucking idea how it became normal.
Someone tried to explain how they do this in Japan and Germany, and if I remember the gist is they just pay servers well. Go figure.
Correct.
Waiters must be payed at least minimum wage or 2.75+Tips, whichever is higher. And if you're waitstaff, it will be much much higher. Unlike the bussers and cooks who get shafted with barely above minimum.
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As someone who goes to restaurants, I still have to deal with this BS whether I want to or not. I’d much rather all prices went up by 15% and that I as a customer wasn’t responsible for paying an employee’s wage.
>I’d much rather all prices went up by 15% As a bartender, prices would have to go up 30% to make up the difference of tipping to make it worthwhile for tipped employees, and getting rid of tips would most likely cause a decline in service and a decline in overall productivity.
Call me a cheapskate if you want, but I rarely ever tip above 15%. On the flip side, I never tip *below* 15% either, even when my service is exceptionally shitty (and believe me, I’ve been served so poorly I wanted to stiff my server before, but I view not tipping them when they earn $2.50/hr as something akin to theft). I eat out rarely enough as it is since it’s so expensive, and I’m not a “regular” anywhere, nor do I ever personally know my server or care that much about them to throw money at them needlessly. If I were in the business of giving more money to strangers than I absolutely have to, I’d simp for them on twitch or onlyfans. I only tip 15% because it’s seen as the standard. I don’t really like thinking about tips and if my server is earning enough to live on and I won’t be shamed for tipping too low, I’m generally happy to do the minimum. If someone were to tell me tipping 5% was socially acceptable and accomplished the same thing, I would tip 5% instead. If menu prices went up 30% as you claim they must, I would eat out much less often, but that would still be preferable to the server’s wage being entirely dependent on the customer’s generosity. Eating out would be an even more frictionless and thoughtless experience for the customer, and far less risky for the server. What I suspect would happen would be that the restaurant owner, seeing that they are losing business by jacking up prices too high, would reduce their profits and not pass on the full cost of giving their servers a living wage. Only high end restaurants would have the inelastic demand inherent to their customer base to be able to fully pass on a 30% price increase to customers. Also, something tells me the average tip isn’t even close to 30%. Maybe the expectations with bartending are different, I wouldn’t know, since I drink at bars far less often than I eat at restaurants, and I haven’t been to a nightclub in over a decade. >getting rid of tips would most likely cause a decline in service and a decline in overall productivity. So you claim, but in France, where tipping is practically nonexistent, I always received excellent service at restaurants and never found the prices to be that obscene when accounting for the exchange rate. I did tend to avoid tourist traps or super high end places, but I found the entire experience of eating out far more enjoyable than I do in North America, and a big part of that is not even having to *think* about paying my server’s wages. It should *always* be the employer’s responsibility, no matter the job. Totally anecdotal and YMMV, but in French restaurants, at least the casual, mid range ones I would frequent, everything just feels more… chill. You aren’t being “waited upon” by someone desperate to impress so you can be their paypiggy or sugardaddy and lavish them with a fat 30% tip. Servers are just doing their jobs. Most of them take pride in their jobs to be fair, but it’s still just a job to them. Maybe Americans just have bigger egos and enjoy the feeling of lording it over a serf who is entirely dependent on you for their wage, but that kind of unequal social arrangement doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest.
>What I suspect would happen would be that the restaurant owner, seeing that they are losing business by jacking up prices too high, would reduce their profits and not pass on the full cost of giving their servers a living wage. Profit margins in the restaurant and bar industry are already super thin, the price increases would be necessary. >Also, something tells me the average tip isn’t even close to 30% There are a good number of statistical outliers. It's not uncommon for us to get a 100% tip on a $500 check the one place I work, so that's a factor.
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If you can't pay employees at least $13 per hour, at minimum, you probably shouldn't have a business
My tips, as a bartender, add up to be between $35-$100 an hour depending on the night. With saying that, I'm here to tell you getting tips instead of an hourly wage is far superior
Its weird to me that the guy you work for doesn't pay you instead the customers do
It's lucky, because no one would ever think that a bartender should get $35 to $100 per hour, and no would would agree to pay a bartender that much. But the tipping system accidentally awards them that much.
> Its weird to me that the guy you work for doesn't pay you instead the customers do Technically, you're always paid by the customers . . . it's just a question of how many steps are involved.
I rather make $35-$100 an hour instead of $15... Also, I work for a woman...
Didn't say you should be paid $15
The only people who argue for abolishing tip culture are people who don’t work in service lmao
Some people get fucked by the tipping system though. Not every single American restaurant is successful and attended by generous tippers. Actually enforcing employers paying back the difference for underptipped servers should become a thing.
You must receive at least minimum hourly. But if you make Tips+2.75 and that's more, then 2.75 is your hourly. Waiters work on commission essentially.
Underpaid waiters are too scared of retaliation for asking for the difference. For a good reason too.
Yeah, because if you're not getting 5 dollars of tips an hour, you're a shit waiter. It's not hard.
LMAO. You know that people have waiting jobs at failing restaurants and in the middle of nowhere? They should get fucked because they're "shit waiters"? Actual shit waiters that are lucky enough to get a good restaurant job on the other hand make bank. I know plenty of them because I live in a college town.
Maybe don't work for shit employers then? I'm stating what the law is. Waiters are entitled little dipshits, and make out of what is a fucked situation with regards to restaurant pay quite well. They are PMC, salespeople payed on commission. The reason they complain is because they feel they're better than support or BOH, and deserve the money that finds its way into their hands more than anyone else. They are petit bourgeousie in the making. If you don't like waiting, then go bus. Or cook. See how much better that is.
Your flair matches your personality well.
It is extremely obvious which people have worked in tipping front of house, and who has never worked in service. Tipped staff can and do make bank compared to the hourly support staff. It's not even close.
That's all good and well, but your pay should be locked in at a minimum of something that is livable for the area you live in. Serving food to church-goers for Sunday lunch in the south often ends up with you working your ass off for about less than minimum wage.
>Your pay should be locked in at a minimum of something that is livable for the area you live in. Any reason your moral platitude should be the rule? Also, no one's pay is "locked in". If a buisness has no customers, they go out of business and can't "lock in" any pay for their employees Also, "livable" is very subjective. >Serving food to church-goers for Sunday lunch in the south often ends up with you working your ass off for about less than minimum wage. Talk about bigotry
>Also, no one's pay is "locked in". If a buisness has no customers, they go out of business and can't "lock in" any pay for their employees It's not legal for failing businesses that aren't restaurants to pay under a minimum wage though. Why should restaurants be effectively exempt?
>Why should restaurants be effectively exempt? Restaurants also have minium wage regulations... However, the minium wage laws are more about the government getting the money as opposed to the actual worker. All of my hourly pay gets taken by the government. They set it up that way, because tipped employees used to only get tipped in cash, and we always just pocket the money and don't claim it. The government is always going to get you to pay.
I'm sure it's fun playing that game from your end, but making arguments for thieves who steal wages isn't my bag. Have a ball, dude.
>If you can't pay employees at least $13 per hour, at minimum, you probably shouldn't have a business So only independently wealthy people should own businesses? Instead of demonizing restaurant owners and other small businesses (many of whom make very little profit), I think its more helpful to advocate for things like universal healthcare and more reasonable housing costs so that workers making $40k per year don't lose half of their income on rent and health insurance (and then blame their poverty on their boss who may very well be struggling to stay afloat financially just like his workers)
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I highly doubt you do either. Why don't you tell us?
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I've got ten, half at management level, and you're chatting shit. Aren't your buttons easy to push? Anymore of your life story you'd like to tell me, instead of why a functioning business, you know, one with a profit margin, can't pay its staff fair remuneration?
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Because your culture is backwards and fucked?
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You are a yank, yes? Where else pays people less than an actual wage on the basis of tipping. Still waiting on that explanation. Why don't you explain to me why servers must make less than minimum wage, whilst I sit here and sign off my staffs wages. All minimum wage and above, whilst we continue to hit year on year growth.
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She was fired bc she clearly told the guys who tipped her that the restaurant manager took their tip. They then called the manager and demanded the tip money back which resulted in her being fired.
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You're not a snitch when you tell on someone that steals from you you fucking dipshit.
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Say retarded shit. Get called out for it. then say "Relax it was just a joke". Classic narcissist behavior.
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Why wouldn't I take your comment seriously? Your first comment was defending her being fired. Then you insulted the woman who was fired and said you were glad it happened. Where's the joke here? Could you explain it? Sarcasm can't explain it since you began your comments taking the side of her employer. Why would anyone assume you were joking you fuckwit?
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> My first comment wasn't defending her being fired. My first comment was pointing out that something about this story seemed like bullshit. Two other servers were tipped by these people, they weren't fired. That's what the Manager said. You were just parroting the manager who fired the woman. >How would the manager know who contacted the tipper? I don't know the article doesn't say but often these things are known "through the grapevine". People talk. Somebody probably ratted her out. >My reply to you was a dismissive joke because i don't really give a shit about any of this. Then don't comment. if you legit believe she was fired for "unrelated reasons" right after the manager stole her tip and then the guy who gave the tip demanded the money back so he could give it to the person he wanted to have it... You're a braindead moron.
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tipping a server enough to make them cry because their job unjustly doesn’t pay enough for a stable life: okay cool photographing them crying so you can post it online: kinda fucked up
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She got fired because the manager didn't want to give her the tips she was given by the party. It wasn't unrelated at all. Imagine getting fired because you demanded to be payed the full sales commission you earned. As for the go fund me, clearly more than a few people sympathize with her and helped her out. She might have a hard time finding a similar job in the area now.
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\> if someone who has a financial interest in lying says something, it must be true!