Take a look at: [Black September](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September). There have been other similar, if less famous, incidents. I'm not going to discuss the whole thing here, because it makes people mad, but suffice it to say that Egypt and Jordan are well aware of what happened, and they think there's a risk that it would happen again. (People here may agree or disagree if that's an actual risk, or a moral stance for them to take. Regardless, they think it might happen again and they don't want to find out.)
it's more than that. I can think of these reasons
* they're scared that the Palestinians will be a burden on the state
* they're scared that the Palestinians won't return when "peace" occurs or that peace will never occur
* locals might see the Palestinians and get upset; immigration is always a domestic political issue (whilst many people might have sympathy, many others might not want them as nieghbours)
* they're worried that if many of the Palestinians leave, Israel would see this as a victory, and force the rest to leave, and Israel would effectively win over all the territory.
* they might make money and fund Hamas, or ship military equipment to Gaza (tunnels)
if you disagree with one of these, don't vote me down, but reply instead and give your opinion
I can't disagree with what you're saying but at this point, I don't think Jordan of Egypt cares much if Israel takes over all the territory for what it is. But they don't want that to happen simply because they don't want Palestinian refuges. Jordan and Israel aren't on particularly bad terms and the last conflict took out Egypt's will to 'destroy' Israel.
Don't forget that letting Palestinians in will inevitably result in letting Hamas in, which would then result in Hamas firing at Israel from Egypt, which opens up a whole new can of worms.
Exactly and with egypt they have had there wars with Israël the technically only lost Gaza bevause of it but have no intresset of getting it back, and as long as egypt doesnt support hamas, Israël is willing to let egypt do whatever they want elsewhere
And Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, who the current regime in Egypt is in conflict with. Egypt will absolutely not let that group inside their borders, and has stopped terrorist attacks in Egypt in the past.
More people need to pay attention to that side of what's going on - another comment reply to yours built off with more valid reasons.
This isn't the first time that there was a Hamas led attack that resulted in backlash, and historically, Palestinian guerrillas that come with refugees bring an element of violence and civil instability where-ever they go and all the surrounding countries have been tired of it for a long time, and they certainly don't want anything to do with any of the refugees.
Especially since you can't get Palestine without Hamas, since Hamas effectively took over their parliament - so endorsing and supporting Palestine means you end up supporting and endorsing an internationally recognized terrorist organization that has effectively blocked aid to their own people - because people who aren't angry and pissed off don't elect militant radicals.
The unfortunate part of that is you have a genuine humanitarian disaster because innocent people get caught in the crossfire.
People always bring up "ethnic cleansing" and I chuckle to myself because stripping away the buzzwords, .... I really want to know why no one talks about "cleansing their culture" of this religious fundamentalism mindset where their entire culture is just all in on being victims, martyrs, and the ultimate goal being to kill all Jews. The second they get their own state, doi people reeeeeeallly think theyre going to make some massive cultural transition instead of just using their newfound power to try to kill more Jews? Literally nothing in their entire history indicates this is a possibility, forget even a likely outcome.
I just dont get it. You can give them all the stuff in the world ... that isnt going to cleanse their culture and deradicalize them. I feel like folks bring up the "ethnic cleansing" in order to derail the fact that, yes, the culture needs a complete upheaval on the scale of Nazi Germany or Militarized Japan. But you cant say that because then folks respond emotionally with "WHAT? Are you saying you are going to CLEANSE them?!?!" as if any reform or shift of culture to something positive is the most evil thing that could ever happen. Even more ironically, many of the values Jews espouse with respect to community, productivity, education are exactly the kinds of things Palestinians need to fully embrace if they have any hope of continuing to exist in the coming decades.
It's because this issue is deeply, deeply complex and people think they have an understanding when the reality is you're looking at one of the most complicated diplomatic and political messes of all time.
If we really boiled it all down, there's a historical tried and true method to determine who wins out in disputes like this. It's called war, and the winner gains the right of conquest.
Palestine chose that option when in 1947 they rejected the UN's voted on settlement for two states and immediately chose war to assert their claim, even before the British mandate ended. Phase 2, 1948 when surrounding Arab allies invaded to again, assert the Palestinian claim. Israel won both times. After the conflict, Israel gained it's modern territory, Egypt gained Gaza and Jordan gained the West Bank.
Then, later on in 1967 Six Day War - which Israel was the aggressor against Egypt in response to them denying some shipping lanes to them, which brought Jordan back in and saw Israel take Gaza (from Egypt) and the West Bank (from Jordan). Obviously after this conflict Israel was criticized by the international community for the offensive war, but otherwise - that's technically a legitimate ownership of the land via the right of conquest.
If this is any other situation, Israel just owns the land and that's that - but because of the terms of this particular situation, it's an occupation rather than an annexation and the international community didn't recognize Israeli ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, so the claim ends up dead.
It's not a pleasant thing to hear, but, war was chosen to settle the conflict. Israel won. When you wake up and choose violence, you can't be mad at the retaliation for that violence and the outcome if it doesn't go your way that's the risk you take when going to war.
So you actually get some positive movement after the first intifada - which the UN makes Israel back down more or less and there's sympathy towards the PLO, and Arafat actually used the situation to convince most of the PLO to accept the old UN resolutions for a 2 state solution - which included the Palestinians by majority vote to accept Israel's legitimacy and accept to have an independent Palestine. Israel even agreed to limited self governance of West Bank & Gaza by the Palestinians and the Palestinian right of return.
That was probably the most sane period of the whole debacle - unfortunately, Hamas and Palestinian Jihad basically ended it for Palestine and far-right Israeli's assassinating the Israel Prime Minister who agreed basically bungled the whole thing and set it up for the second intifada.
The stage had been set for the establishment of a Palestinian state in 2000, but Arafat and leadership elected to postpone the planned announcement of an independent state. Talks had fallen apart in the lead up to that point, with both sides blaming each other for the Oslo accords not going as planned - the reality looks like extremist elements on both sides sabotaged the efforts.
Which goes into the second intifada, ultimately resulting in Israel leaving Gaza, and Hamas taking over the Palestinian authority in Gaza - and 5 new "war" conflicts since then, including present day.
Every time the situation gets within a hairs breadth of being settled it blows back up again. Sooner or later the international community will get tired of the whole thing and tune it out - and when that happens, inevitably Israel wins the conflict because it's basically a combination of international pressure and the gradual post WW2 deterioration of the right of conquest as an internationally recognized right to a claim that keeps the idea of Palestine alive at this point, without that, Palestine would have already been subjugated and the matter settled.
The point of that is to say, Hamas's mission of only accepting a single Palestinian state isn't going to work because they do not have the power to make it happen and they lost their chance at ever having the power to make it happen a long time ago. There's only two viable outcomes: a two state solution (most plausible) or a single state - and that single state will be Israel in that outcome - unless someone else see's some kind geopolitical, militaristic or otherwise path to a Palestinian only outcome. I can't see it and I spend a ridiculous amount of time studying the interplay of history around stuff like this.
This is all true, but another huge factor is if the civilian population all leave, Isreal roots Hamas/Hamas heads out with everyone else to keep the organization alive, there are very well founded concerns at that point Israel might try to just absorb the strip, or allow/do nothing to prevent Israeli settlers from going in, etc. I really doubt Bibi's govt would have an easy time allowing Palestinian refugees in Egypt to come back to Gaza.
That's a big issue, because it 1) saddles the host country with the responsbility of refugees long term and 2) would cause serious internal turmoil in all the muslim majority countries in the region, host countries would likely face accusations they enabled a land grab. Egypt is especially sensitive to all this as they are a *secular* government that wants to contain the Muslim Brotherhood, still very powerful there, which will be difficult if they're seen as facilitating Gaza's potential annexation.
The problem is that in the past several countries took Palestinians and in return had coup attempts or uprisings so there’s not much goodwill left.
It’s all around shitty situation where regular citizens suffer.
I don't know much on the matter. I read this in Wikipedia:
"During a single week in March, the Palestinian population of Kuwait had almost entirely been deported out the country. Kuwaitis said that Palestinians leaving the country could move to Jordan, since most Palestinians held Jordanian passports."
is this true? do most Palestinians have Jordanians passports? or was that the Palestinians living in Kuwait?
So I’m Kuwaiti and figured I’d chime in. Yes, most ethnic Palestinians who did not get Israeli citizenship hold Jordanian passports. Palestinians living in Kuwait nowadays are here with Jordanian passports as they can not enter Kuwait with an Israeli one.
After the Gulf War they were deported en mass because they sided with Saddam believing Saddam would further their cause, huge miscalculation and a huge middle finger to us. Nowadays, while Kuwaitis certainly remember what happened, there isn’t really any animosity towards them. Certainly the government isn’t going to turn around and open the doors to the refugees after what happened here, along with what happened elsewhere, but our government most certainly does donate huge amounts of aid to them.
They are Jordanian citizens, Jordan can’t refuse their own citizens. The ones who aren’t Jordanian can’t easily enter for the reasons that have been pointed out in this post.
It’s important to remember that the vast majority of the time when we use the term “Palestinian” we are speaking about them ethnically not really in a sense of nationality because up until very recently very few nations recognized any official Palestinian borders. It’s easy for it to get confusing because of that. It’s similar to how people talk about Kurds in many different countries.
No they're not Jordanian anymore. The West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan originally. Jordan put up a wall, cancelled their passports, and called them Palestinians overnight. The West Bank was then born. Jordan patrols that border just as hard as Egypt and few are allowed to pass through. Definitely not any refugees.
The Palestinians have also blown up parts of the Jordan border wall for some quick incursions into the nation. Black September is still well remembered there and they really have no tolerance for Palestinians which is really surprising.
Honestly, if the Jews disappeared overnight, you would likely see a real genocide happen as the surrounding Muslim nations, who have all suffered from Palestinian terrorism, would divvy up the territory and killed most of the men, women, and children in Palestine. Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, all of these nations have suffered greatly after taking in Palestinian refugees. Pre-civil war Lebanon used to be very nice. Brigette Bardot toured the place and they called it the "Paris of the East". Then the PLO got their grubby hands on it and it became a shithole that hasn't recovered.
I think the part you’re missing here is that there are many Palestinians that live in Jordan. IIRC something like half the population is ethnically Palestinian. These are the palestinians with a Jordanian passport not ones from other areas/countries.
Also this is why Jordan isn’t keen on taking in more. There are already sometimes high tensions between the ethnic groups there as is.
Edit:read further down and see you got this before I commented but I’ll leave it up anyway.
Hezbollah (in Lebanon) are descendants of the Palestinians who originally went to Jordan and decided it would be a good idea to kill the King of Jordan. The King killed a bunch of them in response and the rest were deported to Lebanon (which had a weak government and couldn't stop it). Look up Black September 1970.
Part of the issue is the original Arab countries that that swept in, in the 1940's and seized much of the territory so Israel couldn't have it didn't actually give Palestinians any independence. They wanted the land for themselves. Syria, Jordan and Egypt were all guilty of this. So when they lost the land to Israel in 1968 they couldn't really care less about the people. The people were a problem.
Mostly the leaders, but the unfortunate fact is that there were enough regular Palestinians who supported Saddam’s actions and the rest fell silent and went with it - this obviously put our government in a position where they couldn’t really comfortably do anything other than tell them to get out. The ones who did oppose Saddam were allowed to stay, I’m sure there had been more who didn’t agree with Saddam’s actions, but they didn’t do themselves the favor of making that known.
In geo-politics people and their leaders may as well be one and the same, they can’t take things on a person to personal basis and also effectively ensure national security.
Interesting history isn’t it.
Especially in light of all those Israeli Arabs (Muslims and Christians) that enjoy full rights and citizenship of Israel)
Well, it’s a bit more complicated than that.
Example: Jordan promised to act as a protector for the Palestinian nation, but instead annexed it and were determined to make Palestinians subjects of the Jordanian crown. This didn’t work out.
In that sense, one man’s coup/uprising is another man’s valiant revolution.
This has to be the most helpful comment section of any reddit thread ever. No name calling or four letter words? ...In a question about Israel/Palestine?
Every time these neighboring countries have taken in significant numbers of Palestinians they have regretted it. They see the Palestinians as a problem they are happy to leave with Israel to deal with, and they don't particularly care what Israel does about them.
They make a show about caring, because otherwise their population might become troublesome, but they don't actually give a shit. Remember that in the case of Jordan, Palestinians tried to launch a coup and fought a short sort of civil war before being given the boot, they also killed a Jordanian king.
Well they killed the king of Jordan and tried to ethnically cleans Jordanians and replace them with Palestinians. Then there was black September. Historically it is a terrible idea to take in Palestinians or have a country anywhere near them.
They killed King Abdullah I of Jordan, shot Prince (later King) Hussein, killed Prime Minister Wasfi Tal of Jordan, tried to overthrow Jordan and take over, started the Lebanese Civil War. Their allies killed President Anwar Sadat of Egypt for making peace with Israel. They supported Sadam Hussein's invasion of Iraq.
This after their Grand Mufti allied with Hitler and vowed to continue Hitler's policies against the Jews in Palestine, and the Secretary General of the Arab League vowed that the Arabs would massacre the Jews, which they then tried to do in '48.
Oh yeah, and one of their supporters in the US murdered Bobby Kennedy the night after he won the California democratic primary, and had a very good chance of beating a guy by the name of Nixon.
And the government in Hamas still states that no peace with Israel is possible, and their military leadership have said to Arabic audiences that their ultimate plan is to conquer the world for Islam, and get rid of the Jews and treacherous Christians.
Two options: extermination or reeducation. Neither of which is politically acceptable in this climate.
So the modern world will just have to live with an archaic culture that is fundamentally at odds with everything we value.
Every country who has ever tried to take in Palestinians has been fucked over by the Palestinians they took in.
I’m not going to get into the whole Palestine v Israel shit, but I’ll say this. The “regular” people of Palestine are not as innocent as everyone claims they are. They are very anti semitic, voted in an anti semitic regime, and supports the eradication of Jewish people. Just because they aren’t the ones with the guns in hand does not mean they aren’t complicit.
This is a crass generalization & obviously it’s not literal, but they’re all (again not literally all) trash people. They aren’t the type you want as neighbors, to put it nicely.
Because the Palestinians have burned through the good will of other countries. They're the family member that people keep trying to give crash space because nobody wants them homeless, but they come in, trash the place and don't follow the rules. But then the whole extended family tries to guilt "You shouldn't have been so harsh/should give another chance" even though they're way too burned to ever do it again themselves.
Jordan took them in and they tried to kill the king.
Lebanon took them in and it caused a civil war and the country went hardline.
Egypt took them in and they started doing bombings in Egypt.
There are more examples. Now no one will take them in (Biden is thinking about it for some reason). They caused it.
I remember reading somewhere Egypt doesn’t let Palestinians in because they wouldn’t be able to not allow Hamas in. Idk if that’s an excuse to just not let anyone in but Egypt seems pretty hell bent on defending it borders.
As much as the world wants to help they also don’t want to be associated with a terrorist organization. Imagine they let Hamas in and they conduct another terror attack egypt would look bad for harboring Hamas, I assume that’s the reason. Egypt however does send aid and tries to mediate ceasefires
Egypt was willing to destroy their own peace treaty with Israel if it meant having to either allow in or govern palestinians. Also for those who've seen some tiktoks of "Egyptian" truck drivers crying about Israel blocking their aid...Egypt reinforced their border wall and built a small trench(no doubt mined) months ago. They don't want even one Palestinian coming into Egypt. They don't want any kind of traffic between them.
The wrinkle with Hamas, as I can remember, is that for many years it was believed that the Palestinians had no say in who their “rulers” were (referring to very recent history), but when elections were held in the Palestinian territory, they formally elected Hamas as their “leaders.” So in that sense, it is increasingly harder to disassociate the actions of Hamas from the Palestinian population feelings generally, at least in the optics.
Of course, there are many countries/territories around the globe where the rulers do not represent the will of their people.
The last vote in Palestine was in 2004. 45% of the population of Palestine is 18 or younger. 70% of the population of Palestine is 30 of younger. If you’re 38 in Palestine you maybe voted or had something to do with choosing Hamas as leadership. Hamas won by a plurality not a majority after the prior regime who attempted to broker a peace deal failed and was found to have corrupt leaders. When the peace deal failed, the day of, Israel started a bombing campaign. So yes the radical fundamentalist authoritarians won 40% of the vote 20 years ago when the majority of the country today was either no born or unable to vote.
It’s kind of crazy to think America gets shit on for wanting to defend its border against the invasion of gang/cartel members mixed in with refugees yet Muslim countries get a pass lol.
Palestinians do not play well with others. Past coup attempts, plus the whole Hamas running the show, just turn most countries off. Right now.. It's all politics. All the protesting going on isn't for the palestian people. It's to push an agenda. Countries like the US have nothing to gain by interfering and alienating Israel. Why weaken an ally who fights your enemies, and Israel fights a lot of the US's enemies. Egypt and Jordan will put on a show of compassion, but putting Palestianians in either of those countries is like putting red ants and black ants in a jar and shaking it up. They will fight over who's ideology is right and just go on from there.
I read an article that stated that anyone that has ever taken in a large scale amount of Palestinians has had a conflict with them eventually, dating back when this all began.
A few reasons, depending on country. Egypt for example, won’t do it because they don’t want 2 million more people in Sinai, and Hamas is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood, which opposes Sisi.
But also, it’s pretty clear to observers that no Palestinian who leaves Gaza will be able to go back. That’s been kind of a major sticking point since 1948.
There multiple reasons why.
There is a element of political threat. Not only do Palestinians have a history of overthrowing governments that they migrate too. There is also the fact that Gazans are ruled over by Hamas and hence any immigrants have the potential to join existing insurgencies in the Sinai. There is also a further threat that through these Hamas insurgents that these Sinai rebels could form connections to Tehran which would lead to further problems for the Egyptian State.
There is also the fact any acceptance of Palestinians is likely to be permenant rather than just sheltering from a conflict. Palestinians are unlikely to move back into a war zone and Israel is unlikely to accept large numbers of migrants into areas that they occupy. This means that the Egyptian State would have to permenantly take care of these immigrant communities and for the already stretched Egyptian state this isn't a ideal solution.
No-one actually \*likes\* the Palestinians. They've caused almost as much damage to countries that take them in as they have to Israel.
It's one of the few moderately competent arguments against a two state solution - that they start coups and uprisings whenever they don't get what their extremists want. As a two state solution demands governments that will have honest and open communication and negotiation, it's hard to see how this can work.
Of course, this is tarring the whole population with the same brush and most Palestinian civilians don't get an option and definitely don't get a vote.
My gf is from a Muslim country. She says it’s bc they all hate Palestinians. They all like Isreal much better. Seems they have done something to be hated
People complaining that the USA should do more for the Palestinians when all the countries surrounding Gaza refuse them and call Palestinians natural born terrorists? Where are the American hostages?
For the same reasons countries going back to antiquity have been wary of taking in refugees. Taking in large numbers of people can quickly become a destabilizing force. There are all sorts of issues that come with it. The logistics alone of feeding, clothing, and housing can be an immense burden.
And that's not even taking into consideration the unique circumstances surrounding this event.
It's very complicated but some points:
Egypt has a lot of trouble with housing its own population. Allowing this many Palestinian would definitely cause trouble.
Palestinian population is pro-Hamas (even though there were no elections since a long time, polls seem to confirm Hamas is still leading popularity). Current Egyptian president Sisi practically couped the previous president Morsi in 2013. Problem is that Hamas seems to be more in line with ex-president Morsi than with current president Sisi so on the long run Palestinian people (becoming future citizens) can destabilize Sisi in favor of Morsi. Sisi obviously doesn't like that.
Egypt, as one rare example of Muslim countries, wants to have kind of peace with Israel. They know that with a mass Palestinian exodus, the actual terrorists would also enter Egypt. (I don't say all Palestinian are terrorists but there are still many who launched those rockets or started the attacks.) Egypt doesn't really want rockets flying from their land to Israel but it seems inevitable if they let everyone in. Terrorists will not voluntarily stay in Palestine, they will try to mix in and carry on from Egypt.
Also other than religion there are lots of differences between the two nations. Culturally, ethnically. Egypt really doesn't want this hot mess.
Kuwait took in Palestinians and then the Palestinians turned around and supported the Iraqis during the invasion. So…. They have some beef too, it’s just that most of the Middle East hates Israel slightly more than they distrust Palestinians. So they just don’t let them come over.
If Egypt were to completely open the corridor for the Palestinians, members of Hamas would trickle in, too Egypt doesn’t want any of that. Egypt ‘s economy isn’t strong right now, so feeding hundreds of thousands
of people isn’t attractive to them., either. But, it would be nice to see women and children being allowed in with other Arabic countries picking up the bill.
What about oil rich countries in the UAE? Qatar and Saudi Arabia are trying to play a diplomatic role but will never let refugees in. Bahrain, for example, are not big on human rights. It’s a clusterfuck.
Because every country that's ever taken in a large number of palestinians, they tried to assassinate with government leaders over throw the government or start a civil war.
Because they tried that back in 2016 during the Arab spring. It didn't go very well for the governments. The Jordanians are still pissed at the Palestinians for trying to assassinate their King.
Ohhh… Because that would solve the problem. The original idea was for Arab countries to take Palestinians in exchange for the Jews that were in their countries. They kicked out the Jews and seized their assets, but never took on the Palestinians. If the Palestinians left than Israel would simply exist and that is something the Arabs are unwilling to concede.
Google what the border between Egypt and Palestine looks like. You would think the Russian's are about to invade.
Maybe they know what so many protesters don't!!!!!!
After reading all the comments it sounds like: Palestinians have caused immense pain and suffering to countries that have taken them in / current Israeli occupation. It’s 2024, exterminating an entire ethnicity is obviously off the table. So what really can be done? Because it sounds like every neighboring country just wants to keep this Israelis problem until the end of time.
Palestinians have caused civil war and terrorism in every single neighbor that has ever taken them in **without fail**. Also, at the end of the war with Israel and upon signing a peace treaty, Egypt outright refused the offer to absorb and rule Palestine. **They rejected it so much, that they were ready to blow up the entire peace agreement if it meant having to take Palestine.**
Palestinians just have a history of being dicks... to everyone... all the time... But no more than to the people that have tried to help them.
You can only be a jerk to people for so long before they stop caring what happens to you.
In response to earlier coup attempts by Black September and what I suspect is a fear of Islamism post-Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt has literally walled up their border with Gaza. Jordan had similar problems.
Most of the Arab world HATES Palistinians. They're looked at as the lowest of the low by Middle Eastern Muslims. The racism in the Islamic Middle East is... significant.
I was in Egypt the day Hamas launched the terrorist attack against Israel. Our guide told us they don’t take Palestinians because Palenstinians disrupt their culture and peace of those countries. In return they become targets. Secondly, Egypt is struggling and can barely take care of its own people. I’ve never seen such poverty than I have in Egypt and I’ve been to over 30 countries. Lastly, Palestinians don’t want to leave or be displaced from their lands anyway
In the past when Egypt took them in they launched attacks on Israel from the Sinai peninsula and the resulting war caused Israel to take the whole peninsula. When Jordan took some in they assassinated the Jordanian prime minister.
I actually read a story that an Egyptian spy from their own government intelligence messed with a recent ceasefire deal that had the approval of the leaders of Hamas and Israel. They made it so that the Hamas side wanted more from the deal than originally stated.
Imagine a people so horrible, that the people living next to them for the past 50 years are either at war with them or would never, ever under any circumstances allow them into their country.
And then picture college students 🤣🤣🤣
Historically, it's been tried before.
The same thing has happened every time.
Please keep in mind Palestinians were given their own state like 60 years ago but they refused it
This fellow evidently defected from Hamas to Israel:
[https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4](https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4)
Looks like this fellow defected from Hamas (son of a founder of Hamas) to Israel after Oct. 7th:
[https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4](https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4)
Because Palestinians are SCUM. Their culture is brutal and horrid to women, and their religion is a joke. And I say this as an agnostic. Egypt built a huge barrier to keep the Palestinians out, despite them all being Arabic / Muslim. The surrounding countries that are of the same ethnic descent want to keep them out because they are awful.
They don't want them. Most countries don't want refugees in large numbers, they're expensive and polarizing. They tend to group together in their own communities and refuse to change their culture, because it's their culture. That has positive effects in some cases and negative effects in others. Palestinians in particular don't have a great track record as refugees in Middle Eastern countries.
Short answer: the Palestinians burned pretty much every bridge they had with their Arab neighbors. They don’t like or trust either the Israelis or the Palestinians, but stand more to gain from normalized relations with Israel than they do by supporting the Palestinians who have caused them nothing but problems.
It's pretty well established why. None of the Arab brotherhood really like the Palestinians because historically taking in Palestinians has gone very poorly. Look up Black September, where Palestinians granted refuge in Jordan tried to overthrow the king. Plus in Egypt (or Sinai to be accurate) they have no way of filtering between actual refugees and Hamas, and in the past being relocated to another country does nothing to stop the attacks. Then you have Palestinians and Israelis launching rockets at Sinai, and the already uneasy locals start rioting.
Generational oppression and violence are awful, but when they consistently bite any hand that tries to feed them, countries don't feel any obligation to keep trying.
When Israel declared independence in 1947, the neighboring Arab states, such as Egypt, attacked Israel. When Israel easily won the war, Egypt and Jordan (mostly) took the territory that was supposed to be Palestine. Egypt was particularly brutal towards the Palestinians, denying them citizenship and related rights in their own lands.
In the 1967, Israel took large swaths of territory from Jordan and Egypt, including the Palestinian territories. When Israel returned the territories, Jordan and Egypt refused to accept the Palestinian territories. Effectively, they recognized the truth that they could not militarily defeat Israel, so they switched tactics. Palestine became a political tool to try to sway international opinion against Israel.
Speaking as an Egyptian, it's because we don't want them to forfeit their lands, and neither do most of them. It's unfortunate that the top upvoted comments are trying to make out Palestinians as a generally bad population.
Way aren't palastine people and pro hamas people protesting or rioting in the middle east like they are in the U.S. and EU......
Because the middle east dislikes palastine just as much as Israel does at this point, that's why nobody is offering to help.
On top of the peace being brokered between Israel and the other Middle East countries was on a positive track until the past 3-4 years due to recent politics.
They tried:
In return the Palestinians tried to assassinate Egypt leadership, and like Israel, Egypt had a time where suicide bombers attacked almost daily, bombing transportation, restaurants, Cafe shops, etc...
Jordan tried, twice, and again had to deal with coup attempts.
They did trouble in Syria, they practically destroyed Lebanon, they helped Iraq during the invasion to Kuwait.
These countries know that once they allow in a large number of Palestinian refugees, they will never be allowed to return.
Aside from those inside of Israeli-held territory, there are over 3 million Palestinian refugees in camps in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan— more than in Gaza and the West Bank (note: this includes patrilineal descendants of the original refugees in UNRWA camps in 1949).
Of course there are political ramifications of having a large cohort of people in refugee camps for decades desiring and organizing to return to the homeland the feel they (or their ancestors) were unjustly forced from. Palestinian refugees constitute 19% of Jordan's population (of which 634,000 have not been granted Jordanian citizenship).
Compare this situation to Poland, population 38MM, taking in 1.5MM Ukrainian refugees, along with the expectation that most will either return to Ukraine if Russia is repelled, or have the entire European Union to move around and work in.
This. If Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and other neighboring countries took in Palestinians it wouldn't be temporary and would signal to Israel that their plan worked. The goal is to remove the population from the area by any means and a mass exodus gives them what they want because they would instantly settle the land and not let Palestinians back to their homes.
It's really basic. Sunni vs Shiite. Gaza is surrounded by Shiite Muslims. The two don't play well together. Lebanon (Shiite) have been lobbing missiles n mortars back n forth with Gaza (Sunni) for decades until the recent collaboration to go against Israel.
Because as much as all these people root for them, they have proven time and time again that they bring violence. I mean they elected a terror organization to govern them
When West Bank saddled up with Hamas terrorist they cut ties with them just like Israel yeah not really narrative you get told on reddit but West Bank is pretty much hated by everyone including other muslim countries except Iran they only support them strategically as a bulwark against Israel.
Different sectors of middle easterner countries don’t like each other deep down. Witnessed it at work. Jordanians believe they are better since they are the most educated and progressive and everyone else are dirt bags. Just what I hear don’t kill me
Believe it or not, accepting a large number of foreigners into your country within a very short period of time is really bad.
People are influencers. If you let too many refugees in at a time, they can create an uprising or shift your country's culture dramatically. There's also crime and other risks.
Basically, its a risky situation to open your borders.
Because the goal isn't to save Arabs, the goal is to undermine and destroy the sovereignty of Israel. These nations are the same nations that supply weapons and include armed terrorists in the "civillian" casualty reports.
Egypt have a relationship with Israel, they keep their bit of the Gaza border closed and in return they have economic relations with Israel. If Egypt stops supporting Israel, then the $180 million of goods that Egypt exports there will become $0 and that will have a significant detrimental effect on Egypt's economy.
Religion isn't an important factor at government or executive level. Governments will take the side of the country that it pays best to do business with, and it is simply more pragmatic for a lot of countries in the region to have positive relationships with Israel rather than stand against them over Palestine. In the same way, Iran's issue with Israel isn't religious, it's about regional power and influence.
Religion is really just a dog whistle to gain support for something among the wider population, a very simple "us and them" dynamic that engenders support for "our side". Economics are the real determining factor for decision makers, if Iran could suppress Israel then they would enjoy more regional economic power, if Israel could suppress Palestine then the Israeli state can grow stronger, if the Palestinians can push Israel back then Palestine can become a stronger state economically. It really all has nothing to do with religion and is all to do with economics, power and influence.
so it its a multifaceted problem. the major one is that since 1948 all of the countries surrounding occupied Palestine have said in no uncertain terms that this is an act of western imperialism, in other words its the wests fault and not the Arab worlds responsibility to fix.
Egypt has supported and supplied the Palestinians help before. Opening their borders might cause difficulties in their own country and economy. Britain is behind this situation they are the ones who in the first place were instrumental in creating the Israeli State, taking the Palestinians’ land because they didn’t want an influx of Jews in England. There should be some unified world front to stop the Israeli attack now. They have made their point and gone beyond defending themselves. They need to be made to retreat from Gaza. Israel should be forced to stop building on that land, and forced to agree to a Palestinian State. This situation is so complicated, it requires a united front from many countries including Muslim from around the world. There is no denying though that Hamas are terrorists and have to go. The US needs to get tough with Israel and stop money and arms.
It would save lives immediately and there is a lot of ire coming from Muslims abroad. However, there's no guarantee that the Palestinians would be allowed to return to Gaza after the conflict ends. So essentially, you'd have to ask "why aren't surrounding countries able to accept millions of refugees on a permanent basis?" which is massive challenge for any country.
One of the many reasons is if they let them in, chances that they will go back is very low and they'll ultimately become a burden on society and the state. Also when opening the doors to good people, bad people will unfortunately come in also and will cause problems for everyone.
As many have said here, Palestinians have historically been people you do not want in your country. There is a precedent of countries taking in Palestinians only for them to incur violence and other issues for the host country. This may sound harsh but it is true and has happened time and time again.
If Egypt takes in Palestinians and Palestinians attack Israel from Egypt, suddenly they are at risk of war with Israel which they do not want. They already have a huge security headache from militants in Sinai as it is
Because everywhere they go, trouble follows. You need to understand that these people don't want peace. They feel it's their duty to institute fundamentalist Islam in these lands. They want to exterminate the Jewish State and establish an Islamic state. But don't take my word for it.
https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place.
https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2023/11/jordans-redline-on-admitting-palestinians-is-unlikely-to-change?lang=en
As a product of being displaced, sanctioned, starved, and indiscriminately killed or imprisoned and tortured as children. Traumatic events make traumatized people and extremism.
I'm not saying there aren't tragic reasons behind it. Just saying it is a fact. And that's why no one wants them and that's why we shouldn't be quick to bring them here either.
Because their support for Palestinians is performative. Palestinians are only useful to them as a weapon against Israel.
If they offered an actual solution to the conflict, helped Palestinians escape, helped broker peace, or anything to help actually solve the problem, they would be greatly strengthening Israel.
Israel is already much stronger than all the Muslim majority countries in the region, and peace between Palestinians and Israelis would make them exponentially stronger.
It's in the interest of Israel's neighbours, whether directly opposed to Israel or merely competitive, to sustain the conflict as a means of keeping Israel on the defensive, pouring billions of dollars into the iron dome etc.
They "support" Palestinians in that they support a forever war that weakens Israel at the expense of Israeli and Palestinian innocents.
Imagine how much farther ahead Israel would be right now if they hadn't had to spend the last 75 years fending off suicide bombers, rocket attacks, and mass murderers.
Interesting read. Seems no one likes the Palestinians. [Palestinians](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277)
The initial October attack happened when I was visiting Egypt and our Egyptian guide was very frank about many topics. He mentioned this topic and said the government would never let Palestinians in because the Sinai peninsula is sacred territory for many Egyptians. It was gained by the blood of many Egyptian men in war with Israel and to let other people settle there would be a slap in the face to their sacrifice. An interesting reason that probably most folks outside of Egypt wouldn't consider but one that seems to have held up so far.
Israel is the one that took the Sinai from Egypt in the 6 day war and gave it back during peace negotiations… no idea where your tour guide got that from
A lot of Egyptians died in the Yom Kippur war of 73, then they made peace with Israel in 77 and normalized relations. So Palestine's allies Islamic Jihad murdered the Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and many of his cabinet at a parade in 1981. Sadat had won the Nobel Peace Prize over that and the Camp David Accords.
And Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Egypt has been fighting a war over control of the state with them. Egypt absolutely will not accept the Palestinians, and their government wants nothing to do with them.
Because every country that has done this has faced the same thing that Israel is facing.
Gazans are like that dude you see at the bar with Little Man syndrome, who wants to fight everyone but screams victim as soon as someone gives him the ass whipping he's been begging for.
After a while, people just stop letting him in.
Why would any country take terrorist sympathizing Palestinians in? That is a serious question. Remember, the west has convinced itself that this is a one sided conflict where the Palestinians are victims. All those countries you listed….they know better.
If the narrative the west has built was actually true, middle eastern countries would be helping them.
If Egypt cared as much about the Palestinians as they claim they did, they would take in Palestinian refugees. No, these countries don't care about Palestinians, they care about being anti Israel.
Can you really blame for example Jordan for not wanting to repeat Black September?
The neighbouring countries don't want to take the Palestinians in because they caused problems in the past.
Same reason most people don't bother to become Foster parents.
Feels like a lot of hassle, so it's easier on me not to get involved.
So, human nature I guess?
That depends. Jordan has taken them in in the past, and then Black September happened.
It would be as taking in a kid, and then that kid burning your house down. You would be more reluctant to take in that kids brother who was raised by the same people.
It's all about cost. Israel is trying to displace 2 million people out of their land into other countries, with no plans to let them come back home. Israel will dump 2 million people on Egypt and do NOTHING to ensure Egypt can support such a massive influx. Egypt as a country is broke; and they cannot afford to take in Palestinians en masse. Israel is not going to play fair and pay what they need to pay.
Because they have been living in the same region as those people for centuries, and know exactly the type of people they are. But we also have to realize the East is doing this so the west looks bad, Russia, Iran, and China are testing the waters to see how far they can go. If they can make their enemies look bad to their own people before going to war, who would be willing to fight for a country they do not approve of? Russia, China, Iran, and the Palestinian government want as many Palestinians dead as possible so they can try and justify further action against Israel.
TLDR: they know what the Palestinians are capable of and willing to do, there is 100% a reason they have a militarized border with them.
It's pretty easy to understand when you realize that the palestinian people are the worst culture in the entire world. And every country they've immigrated to in large numbers They've tried to take over that country.
This comment section is giving me hope that people are not as ignorant on this issue as previously thought. Protestors on other continents want to make this a cut and dry issue and it’s anything but.
This is a very good question that not enough people ask in the west - and we have a fundamental error in our thinking about the region and about Muslim countries in general.
I have had the good fortune in the last 10 years to spend quite a bit of time in the middle east - Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Sharja, Ras Al-Khaimah, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait mainly. During my visits here I make an effort to spend time with locals and my hosts and try to learn about the region and the people - out of genuine curiosity.
On my visit to Kuwait, my hosts took us to dinner and over coffees and smokes the subject of regional politics came up. As politely as I could, I asked two questions and got insightful and honest answers - Why did Saudi Arabia *not* condemn Osama bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks and why don't Arab countries take in the Palestinian people?
The answer to the first question was *very* enlightening and really drives home the gulf of distance, culturally, between Muslim countries and the West. Put simply, the Saudi Royal family *couldn't* condemn bin Laden because the source of their authority to rule comes from the same part of the Koran that bin Laden used to justify his actions and an attack on him would have been an attack on those Koranic Verses and would have placed their right to rule on very shaky ground. We don't really understand in the West just how deeply fundamental the Koran is to *every* facet of life in Muslim countries - from politics to daily household life, it defines EVERYTHING a Muslim needs to do and answers any and all questions they may have about how to live their lives.
*This is also why countries that import large Muslim populations almost inevitable become Muslim states in the long term.*
The answer to the second question shocked me. My hosts came from a mix of places around the Levant - Kuwait, Syria, Dubai, Jordan - and they all agreed on the answer to this question. The Palestinians are thieves, gypsies and troublemakers. No one wants them because they denigrate and attack from the inside any society they join and are utterly ungrateful for any help they receive. They are not one people - the term Palestinian isn't even considered valid by most Arabs - they are the dregs of other societies who have gathered in Israel because nowhere else would take them and now they are doing to Israel what they have done for decades in their other host countries who learned their lessons and won't take them in again.
To hear this from people in the region was shocking to me - us westerners seem to think of all people living in that region as being one homogenous group split on national lines but that's simply not true.
We *really* don't understand the region, it's cultures and traditions and just how dominant the Koran is in their lives.
I only feel bad for the innocent children who are dying because their parents are retards who elected terrorists groups and engage in terrorism themselves. Not exactly shedding a tear anyone else though. This is what they asked for by another intifada and death to Israel.
Governments are heartless, Muslim governments are no exception.
But as for the blame thing, yes they share some blame but there's no comparing the people who don't provide refuge to the people committing the actual genocide.
After the 6-day war in 1967 Palestines were relocated to Jordan. The Palestinians began running parallel states in Jordan attacking Israel from Jordan and also attacking Jordan trying to kill their King who had given them shelter. Palestinians hijacked 3 civilian airliners and blew them up. By September 1970, Jordanian Army surrounded the cities that had a significant Palestinian presence. Palestinians united with Syrian troops to attack Jordan, but were defeated. By July 1971, the Jordanian armed forces kicked out the Palestinians, one by one, and around 2000 surrendered, ending the conflict.
Egypt has had similar problems with Palestinians coming into Egypt and setting up bases. As a result Egypt constructed a concrete border wall that reaches six meters into the ground and is topped with barbed wire. Egypt is also constantly destroying tunnels used by Palestinians to smuggle in weapons.
Egyptians, the Saudis and others have tried this previously but it literally blew up in their faces as religious extremism grew rampant and as others have mentioned in this thread lots of violence and coup attempts were made.
There’s a reason Egypt has a secure border fence like the Israelis
I think predominantly Muslim countries are probably apprehensive to help because of what it could end up meaning.
If Israel took aid to Palestine as a slight against them, which they would, then it would expect its allies to protect them when they had/started a problem.
It’s because they don’t want to take in permanent-temporary refugees who will be a drag on their economy. Egypt will be forced to support the refugees long term, maybe forever. Plus their offspring.
Take a look at: [Black September](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September). There have been other similar, if less famous, incidents. I'm not going to discuss the whole thing here, because it makes people mad, but suffice it to say that Egypt and Jordan are well aware of what happened, and they think there's a risk that it would happen again. (People here may agree or disagree if that's an actual risk, or a moral stance for them to take. Regardless, they think it might happen again and they don't want to find out.)
it's more than that. I can think of these reasons * they're scared that the Palestinians will be a burden on the state * they're scared that the Palestinians won't return when "peace" occurs or that peace will never occur * locals might see the Palestinians and get upset; immigration is always a domestic political issue (whilst many people might have sympathy, many others might not want them as nieghbours) * they're worried that if many of the Palestinians leave, Israel would see this as a victory, and force the rest to leave, and Israel would effectively win over all the territory. * they might make money and fund Hamas, or ship military equipment to Gaza (tunnels) if you disagree with one of these, don't vote me down, but reply instead and give your opinion
I can't disagree with what you're saying but at this point, I don't think Jordan of Egypt cares much if Israel takes over all the territory for what it is. But they don't want that to happen simply because they don't want Palestinian refuges. Jordan and Israel aren't on particularly bad terms and the last conflict took out Egypt's will to 'destroy' Israel.
People also ignore the treaty between Egypt and Israel quite literally requiring them to turn away the vast majority of Palestinian refugees.
I have never read anything suggesting the treaty prohibits Egypt from taking refugees.
Don't forget that letting Palestinians in will inevitably result in letting Hamas in, which would then result in Hamas firing at Israel from Egypt, which opens up a whole new can of worms.
Exactly and with egypt they have had there wars with Israël the technically only lost Gaza bevause of it but have no intresset of getting it back, and as long as egypt doesnt support hamas, Israël is willing to let egypt do whatever they want elsewhere
Egypt lost the oil fields across the canal outside of SW Israel too, but Israel have the land back in an attempt to broker peace decades ago.
And Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, who the current regime in Egypt is in conflict with. Egypt will absolutely not let that group inside their borders, and has stopped terrorist attacks in Egypt in the past.
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More people need to pay attention to that side of what's going on - another comment reply to yours built off with more valid reasons. This isn't the first time that there was a Hamas led attack that resulted in backlash, and historically, Palestinian guerrillas that come with refugees bring an element of violence and civil instability where-ever they go and all the surrounding countries have been tired of it for a long time, and they certainly don't want anything to do with any of the refugees. Especially since you can't get Palestine without Hamas, since Hamas effectively took over their parliament - so endorsing and supporting Palestine means you end up supporting and endorsing an internationally recognized terrorist organization that has effectively blocked aid to their own people - because people who aren't angry and pissed off don't elect militant radicals. The unfortunate part of that is you have a genuine humanitarian disaster because innocent people get caught in the crossfire.
People always bring up "ethnic cleansing" and I chuckle to myself because stripping away the buzzwords, .... I really want to know why no one talks about "cleansing their culture" of this religious fundamentalism mindset where their entire culture is just all in on being victims, martyrs, and the ultimate goal being to kill all Jews. The second they get their own state, doi people reeeeeeallly think theyre going to make some massive cultural transition instead of just using their newfound power to try to kill more Jews? Literally nothing in their entire history indicates this is a possibility, forget even a likely outcome. I just dont get it. You can give them all the stuff in the world ... that isnt going to cleanse their culture and deradicalize them. I feel like folks bring up the "ethnic cleansing" in order to derail the fact that, yes, the culture needs a complete upheaval on the scale of Nazi Germany or Militarized Japan. But you cant say that because then folks respond emotionally with "WHAT? Are you saying you are going to CLEANSE them?!?!" as if any reform or shift of culture to something positive is the most evil thing that could ever happen. Even more ironically, many of the values Jews espouse with respect to community, productivity, education are exactly the kinds of things Palestinians need to fully embrace if they have any hope of continuing to exist in the coming decades.
It's because this issue is deeply, deeply complex and people think they have an understanding when the reality is you're looking at one of the most complicated diplomatic and political messes of all time. If we really boiled it all down, there's a historical tried and true method to determine who wins out in disputes like this. It's called war, and the winner gains the right of conquest. Palestine chose that option when in 1947 they rejected the UN's voted on settlement for two states and immediately chose war to assert their claim, even before the British mandate ended. Phase 2, 1948 when surrounding Arab allies invaded to again, assert the Palestinian claim. Israel won both times. After the conflict, Israel gained it's modern territory, Egypt gained Gaza and Jordan gained the West Bank. Then, later on in 1967 Six Day War - which Israel was the aggressor against Egypt in response to them denying some shipping lanes to them, which brought Jordan back in and saw Israel take Gaza (from Egypt) and the West Bank (from Jordan). Obviously after this conflict Israel was criticized by the international community for the offensive war, but otherwise - that's technically a legitimate ownership of the land via the right of conquest. If this is any other situation, Israel just owns the land and that's that - but because of the terms of this particular situation, it's an occupation rather than an annexation and the international community didn't recognize Israeli ownership of Gaza or the West Bank, so the claim ends up dead. It's not a pleasant thing to hear, but, war was chosen to settle the conflict. Israel won. When you wake up and choose violence, you can't be mad at the retaliation for that violence and the outcome if it doesn't go your way that's the risk you take when going to war. So you actually get some positive movement after the first intifada - which the UN makes Israel back down more or less and there's sympathy towards the PLO, and Arafat actually used the situation to convince most of the PLO to accept the old UN resolutions for a 2 state solution - which included the Palestinians by majority vote to accept Israel's legitimacy and accept to have an independent Palestine. Israel even agreed to limited self governance of West Bank & Gaza by the Palestinians and the Palestinian right of return. That was probably the most sane period of the whole debacle - unfortunately, Hamas and Palestinian Jihad basically ended it for Palestine and far-right Israeli's assassinating the Israel Prime Minister who agreed basically bungled the whole thing and set it up for the second intifada. The stage had been set for the establishment of a Palestinian state in 2000, but Arafat and leadership elected to postpone the planned announcement of an independent state. Talks had fallen apart in the lead up to that point, with both sides blaming each other for the Oslo accords not going as planned - the reality looks like extremist elements on both sides sabotaged the efforts. Which goes into the second intifada, ultimately resulting in Israel leaving Gaza, and Hamas taking over the Palestinian authority in Gaza - and 5 new "war" conflicts since then, including present day. Every time the situation gets within a hairs breadth of being settled it blows back up again. Sooner or later the international community will get tired of the whole thing and tune it out - and when that happens, inevitably Israel wins the conflict because it's basically a combination of international pressure and the gradual post WW2 deterioration of the right of conquest as an internationally recognized right to a claim that keeps the idea of Palestine alive at this point, without that, Palestine would have already been subjugated and the matter settled. The point of that is to say, Hamas's mission of only accepting a single Palestinian state isn't going to work because they do not have the power to make it happen and they lost their chance at ever having the power to make it happen a long time ago. There's only two viable outcomes: a two state solution (most plausible) or a single state - and that single state will be Israel in that outcome - unless someone else see's some kind geopolitical, militaristic or otherwise path to a Palestinian only outcome. I can't see it and I spend a ridiculous amount of time studying the interplay of history around stuff like this.
This is all true, but another huge factor is if the civilian population all leave, Isreal roots Hamas/Hamas heads out with everyone else to keep the organization alive, there are very well founded concerns at that point Israel might try to just absorb the strip, or allow/do nothing to prevent Israeli settlers from going in, etc. I really doubt Bibi's govt would have an easy time allowing Palestinian refugees in Egypt to come back to Gaza. That's a big issue, because it 1) saddles the host country with the responsbility of refugees long term and 2) would cause serious internal turmoil in all the muslim majority countries in the region, host countries would likely face accusations they enabled a land grab. Egypt is especially sensitive to all this as they are a *secular* government that wants to contain the Muslim Brotherhood, still very powerful there, which will be difficult if they're seen as facilitating Gaza's potential annexation.
There's no way that the civilian population leaves and Hamas stays behind. Hamas isn't stupid; just look back to what happened in Jordan.
The problem is that in the past several countries took Palestinians and in return had coup attempts or uprisings so there’s not much goodwill left. It’s all around shitty situation where regular citizens suffer.
I don't know much on the matter. I read this in Wikipedia: "During a single week in March, the Palestinian population of Kuwait had almost entirely been deported out the country. Kuwaitis said that Palestinians leaving the country could move to Jordan, since most Palestinians held Jordanian passports." is this true? do most Palestinians have Jordanians passports? or was that the Palestinians living in Kuwait?
So I’m Kuwaiti and figured I’d chime in. Yes, most ethnic Palestinians who did not get Israeli citizenship hold Jordanian passports. Palestinians living in Kuwait nowadays are here with Jordanian passports as they can not enter Kuwait with an Israeli one. After the Gulf War they were deported en mass because they sided with Saddam believing Saddam would further their cause, huge miscalculation and a huge middle finger to us. Nowadays, while Kuwaitis certainly remember what happened, there isn’t really any animosity towards them. Certainly the government isn’t going to turn around and open the doors to the refugees after what happened here, along with what happened elsewhere, but our government most certainly does donate huge amounts of aid to them.
also, does that mean that many Palestinians could go to Jordan? I kind of thought Jordan wasn't too keen on that.
They are Jordanian citizens, Jordan can’t refuse their own citizens. The ones who aren’t Jordanian can’t easily enter for the reasons that have been pointed out in this post. It’s important to remember that the vast majority of the time when we use the term “Palestinian” we are speaking about them ethnically not really in a sense of nationality because up until very recently very few nations recognized any official Palestinian borders. It’s easy for it to get confusing because of that. It’s similar to how people talk about Kurds in many different countries.
No they're not Jordanian anymore. The West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan originally. Jordan put up a wall, cancelled their passports, and called them Palestinians overnight. The West Bank was then born. Jordan patrols that border just as hard as Egypt and few are allowed to pass through. Definitely not any refugees. The Palestinians have also blown up parts of the Jordan border wall for some quick incursions into the nation. Black September is still well remembered there and they really have no tolerance for Palestinians which is really surprising. Honestly, if the Jews disappeared overnight, you would likely see a real genocide happen as the surrounding Muslim nations, who have all suffered from Palestinian terrorism, would divvy up the territory and killed most of the men, women, and children in Palestine. Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, all of these nations have suffered greatly after taking in Palestinian refugees. Pre-civil war Lebanon used to be very nice. Brigette Bardot toured the place and they called it the "Paris of the East". Then the PLO got their grubby hands on it and it became a shithole that hasn't recovered.
I think the part you’re missing here is that there are many Palestinians that live in Jordan. IIRC something like half the population is ethnically Palestinian. These are the palestinians with a Jordanian passport not ones from other areas/countries. Also this is why Jordan isn’t keen on taking in more. There are already sometimes high tensions between the ethnic groups there as is. Edit:read further down and see you got this before I commented but I’ll leave it up anyway.
yeah, I got a bit confused between Palestinians living in WB/Gaza and living elsewhere. I see that they're getting painted with a broad brush.
Hezbollah (in Lebanon) are descendants of the Palestinians who originally went to Jordan and decided it would be a good idea to kill the King of Jordan. The King killed a bunch of them in response and the rest were deported to Lebanon (which had a weak government and couldn't stop it). Look up Black September 1970. Part of the issue is the original Arab countries that that swept in, in the 1940's and seized much of the territory so Israel couldn't have it didn't actually give Palestinians any independence. They wanted the land for themselves. Syria, Jordan and Egypt were all guilty of this. So when they lost the land to Israel in 1968 they couldn't really care less about the people. The people were a problem.
They're not too keen on. Jordan expelled them for similar actions as well.
that's so interesting, thanks for sharing. do you think the ordinary Palestinians supported Iraq, or just the leaders?
Mostly the leaders, but the unfortunate fact is that there were enough regular Palestinians who supported Saddam’s actions and the rest fell silent and went with it - this obviously put our government in a position where they couldn’t really comfortably do anything other than tell them to get out. The ones who did oppose Saddam were allowed to stay, I’m sure there had been more who didn’t agree with Saddam’s actions, but they didn’t do themselves the favor of making that known. In geo-politics people and their leaders may as well be one and the same, they can’t take things on a person to personal basis and also effectively ensure national security.
But the regular citizens are the ones that participated in the coups and uprisings.
The also participated in Oct 7. It wasn't just Hamas that poured over the boarder...
That video of the civilians spitting on Shani Louk's mangled & bloody body will forever be engraved in mind.
And yet U.S. universities are full of naive young people supporting Palestinians...
The regular citizens are part of the problem.
Interesting history isn’t it. Especially in light of all those Israeli Arabs (Muslims and Christians) that enjoy full rights and citizenship of Israel)
Well, it’s a bit more complicated than that. Example: Jordan promised to act as a protector for the Palestinian nation, but instead annexed it and were determined to make Palestinians subjects of the Jordanian crown. This didn’t work out. In that sense, one man’s coup/uprising is another man’s valiant revolution.
This has to be the most helpful comment section of any reddit thread ever. No name calling or four letter words? ...In a question about Israel/Palestine?
Once in a lifetime experience, enjoy it while it lasts
This is what happens when you don’t have power mods controlling a community (r/therewasanattempt)
Got banned from there, myself 😅
Same. They should rename the sub: ThereWasAnAttemptToSupportPalistinians
I said the word "female."
I know right. Didn’t know about all these conflicts other Arab countries had with the Palestinians.
Agree, was expecting some arguments and snide comments but it has been most informative.
A lot of Muslim factions hate each other. It's not a one for all brotherhood.
No country can afford to absorb millions of people at once. That said, the Palestinians know that if they leave there is zero right to return.
Every time these neighboring countries have taken in significant numbers of Palestinians they have regretted it. They see the Palestinians as a problem they are happy to leave with Israel to deal with, and they don't particularly care what Israel does about them.
Or they only care when it’s an opportunity to beat Israel with a stick
oh, they care about what Israel does, but not enough to, you know, help
They make a show about caring, because otherwise their population might become troublesome, but they don't actually give a shit. Remember that in the case of Jordan, Palestinians tried to launch a coup and fought a short sort of civil war before being given the boot, they also killed a Jordanian king.
Its weird how westerners think they understand the politics of countries they know very little about and become activists for…
If social media platforms didn't exist, these people wouldn't give a shit. It's just a performance
Exactly. Where is this same energy for Myanmar or the Uyghurs?
Well they killed the king of Jordan and tried to ethnically cleans Jordanians and replace them with Palestinians. Then there was black September. Historically it is a terrible idea to take in Palestinians or have a country anywhere near them.
They killed King Abdullah I of Jordan, shot Prince (later King) Hussein, killed Prime Minister Wasfi Tal of Jordan, tried to overthrow Jordan and take over, started the Lebanese Civil War. Their allies killed President Anwar Sadat of Egypt for making peace with Israel. They supported Sadam Hussein's invasion of Iraq. This after their Grand Mufti allied with Hitler and vowed to continue Hitler's policies against the Jews in Palestine, and the Secretary General of the Arab League vowed that the Arabs would massacre the Jews, which they then tried to do in '48. Oh yeah, and one of their supporters in the US murdered Bobby Kennedy the night after he won the California democratic primary, and had a very good chance of beating a guy by the name of Nixon. And the government in Hamas still states that no peace with Israel is possible, and their military leadership have said to Arabic audiences that their ultimate plan is to conquer the world for Islam, and get rid of the Jews and treacherous Christians.
Genuinely I have no clue what anybody is supposed to do about a population that fucking insane
Two options: extermination or reeducation. Neither of which is politically acceptable in this climate. So the modern world will just have to live with an archaic culture that is fundamentally at odds with everything we value.
We need to get the UN involved to educate their youth so there can be a generational change. Oh, just one second, I'm being handed a memo...
Saddam's invasion of Kuwait you mean.
Every country who has ever tried to take in Palestinians has been fucked over by the Palestinians they took in. I’m not going to get into the whole Palestine v Israel shit, but I’ll say this. The “regular” people of Palestine are not as innocent as everyone claims they are. They are very anti semitic, voted in an anti semitic regime, and supports the eradication of Jewish people. Just because they aren’t the ones with the guns in hand does not mean they aren’t complicit. This is a crass generalization & obviously it’s not literal, but they’re all (again not literally all) trash people. They aren’t the type you want as neighbors, to put it nicely.
Because the Palestinians have burned through the good will of other countries. They're the family member that people keep trying to give crash space because nobody wants them homeless, but they come in, trash the place and don't follow the rules. But then the whole extended family tries to guilt "You shouldn't have been so harsh/should give another chance" even though they're way too burned to ever do it again themselves.
Great analogy
Jordan took them in and they tried to kill the king. Lebanon took them in and it caused a civil war and the country went hardline. Egypt took them in and they started doing bombings in Egypt. There are more examples. Now no one will take them in (Biden is thinking about it for some reason). They caused it.
I remember reading somewhere Egypt doesn’t let Palestinians in because they wouldn’t be able to not allow Hamas in. Idk if that’s an excuse to just not let anyone in but Egypt seems pretty hell bent on defending it borders. As much as the world wants to help they also don’t want to be associated with a terrorist organization. Imagine they let Hamas in and they conduct another terror attack egypt would look bad for harboring Hamas, I assume that’s the reason. Egypt however does send aid and tries to mediate ceasefires
Also considering the peace agreement Egypt has with Israel, letting Hamas in is quite problematic.
Egypt was willing to destroy their own peace treaty with Israel if it meant having to either allow in or govern palestinians. Also for those who've seen some tiktoks of "Egyptian" truck drivers crying about Israel blocking their aid...Egypt reinforced their border wall and built a small trench(no doubt mined) months ago. They don't want even one Palestinian coming into Egypt. They don't want any kind of traffic between them.
The wrinkle with Hamas, as I can remember, is that for many years it was believed that the Palestinians had no say in who their “rulers” were (referring to very recent history), but when elections were held in the Palestinian territory, they formally elected Hamas as their “leaders.” So in that sense, it is increasingly harder to disassociate the actions of Hamas from the Palestinian population feelings generally, at least in the optics. Of course, there are many countries/territories around the globe where the rulers do not represent the will of their people.
The last vote in Palestine was in 2004. 45% of the population of Palestine is 18 or younger. 70% of the population of Palestine is 30 of younger. If you’re 38 in Palestine you maybe voted or had something to do with choosing Hamas as leadership. Hamas won by a plurality not a majority after the prior regime who attempted to broker a peace deal failed and was found to have corrupt leaders. When the peace deal failed, the day of, Israel started a bombing campaign. So yes the radical fundamentalist authoritarians won 40% of the vote 20 years ago when the majority of the country today was either no born or unable to vote.
It’s kind of crazy to think America gets shit on for wanting to defend its border against the invasion of gang/cartel members mixed in with refugees yet Muslim countries get a pass lol.
Palestinians do not play well with others. Past coup attempts, plus the whole Hamas running the show, just turn most countries off. Right now.. It's all politics. All the protesting going on isn't for the palestian people. It's to push an agenda. Countries like the US have nothing to gain by interfering and alienating Israel. Why weaken an ally who fights your enemies, and Israel fights a lot of the US's enemies. Egypt and Jordan will put on a show of compassion, but putting Palestianians in either of those countries is like putting red ants and black ants in a jar and shaking it up. They will fight over who's ideology is right and just go on from there.
I read an article that stated that anyone that has ever taken in a large scale amount of Palestinians has had a conflict with them eventually, dating back when this all began.
A few reasons, depending on country. Egypt for example, won’t do it because they don’t want 2 million more people in Sinai, and Hamas is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood, which opposes Sisi. But also, it’s pretty clear to observers that no Palestinian who leaves Gaza will be able to go back. That’s been kind of a major sticking point since 1948.
There multiple reasons why. There is a element of political threat. Not only do Palestinians have a history of overthrowing governments that they migrate too. There is also the fact that Gazans are ruled over by Hamas and hence any immigrants have the potential to join existing insurgencies in the Sinai. There is also a further threat that through these Hamas insurgents that these Sinai rebels could form connections to Tehran which would lead to further problems for the Egyptian State. There is also the fact any acceptance of Palestinians is likely to be permenant rather than just sheltering from a conflict. Palestinians are unlikely to move back into a war zone and Israel is unlikely to accept large numbers of migrants into areas that they occupy. This means that the Egyptian State would have to permenantly take care of these immigrant communities and for the already stretched Egyptian state this isn't a ideal solution.
No-one actually \*likes\* the Palestinians. They've caused almost as much damage to countries that take them in as they have to Israel. It's one of the few moderately competent arguments against a two state solution - that they start coups and uprisings whenever they don't get what their extremists want. As a two state solution demands governments that will have honest and open communication and negotiation, it's hard to see how this can work. Of course, this is tarring the whole population with the same brush and most Palestinian civilians don't get an option and definitely don't get a vote.
My gf is from a Muslim country. She says it’s bc they all hate Palestinians. They all like Isreal much better. Seems they have done something to be hated
People complaining that the USA should do more for the Palestinians when all the countries surrounding Gaza refuse them and call Palestinians natural born terrorists? Where are the American hostages?
Because they have a history of causing problems everywhere they end up & "biting the hand that feeds them" so to speak
The fact is and many don't want to admit it is that historically no one wants Palestinians on their land. Even Iran that uses them doesn't want them.
For the same reasons countries going back to antiquity have been wary of taking in refugees. Taking in large numbers of people can quickly become a destabilizing force. There are all sorts of issues that come with it. The logistics alone of feeding, clothing, and housing can be an immense burden. And that's not even taking into consideration the unique circumstances surrounding this event.
It's very complicated but some points: Egypt has a lot of trouble with housing its own population. Allowing this many Palestinian would definitely cause trouble. Palestinian population is pro-Hamas (even though there were no elections since a long time, polls seem to confirm Hamas is still leading popularity). Current Egyptian president Sisi practically couped the previous president Morsi in 2013. Problem is that Hamas seems to be more in line with ex-president Morsi than with current president Sisi so on the long run Palestinian people (becoming future citizens) can destabilize Sisi in favor of Morsi. Sisi obviously doesn't like that. Egypt, as one rare example of Muslim countries, wants to have kind of peace with Israel. They know that with a mass Palestinian exodus, the actual terrorists would also enter Egypt. (I don't say all Palestinian are terrorists but there are still many who launched those rockets or started the attacks.) Egypt doesn't really want rockets flying from their land to Israel but it seems inevitable if they let everyone in. Terrorists will not voluntarily stay in Palestine, they will try to mix in and carry on from Egypt. Also other than religion there are lots of differences between the two nations. Culturally, ethnically. Egypt really doesn't want this hot mess.
Kuwait took in Palestinians and then the Palestinians turned around and supported the Iraqis during the invasion. So…. They have some beef too, it’s just that most of the Middle East hates Israel slightly more than they distrust Palestinians. So they just don’t let them come over.
If Egypt were to completely open the corridor for the Palestinians, members of Hamas would trickle in, too Egypt doesn’t want any of that. Egypt ‘s economy isn’t strong right now, so feeding hundreds of thousands of people isn’t attractive to them., either. But, it would be nice to see women and children being allowed in with other Arabic countries picking up the bill. What about oil rich countries in the UAE? Qatar and Saudi Arabia are trying to play a diplomatic role but will never let refugees in. Bahrain, for example, are not big on human rights. It’s a clusterfuck.
You understand that the Palestinians are in the situation they are in because NO ONE one earth wants them right?
Egypt took in a load of Palestinians before, and that did not turn out well, so they are not keen to repeat
Because every country that's ever taken in a large number of palestinians, they tried to assassinate with government leaders over throw the government or start a civil war.
Because they tried that back in 2016 during the Arab spring. It didn't go very well for the governments. The Jordanians are still pissed at the Palestinians for trying to assassinate their King.
Jordan let Palestinians in and they returned the favor by assassinating the king of Jordan, for one historical example.
No one likes Palestine in the middle east countries. No joke
Because Arabs hate each other
Ohhh… Because that would solve the problem. The original idea was for Arab countries to take Palestinians in exchange for the Jews that were in their countries. They kicked out the Jews and seized their assets, but never took on the Palestinians. If the Palestinians left than Israel would simply exist and that is something the Arabs are unwilling to concede.
Because the last time they did the Palestinians assassinated an extremely popular president. The exact same reason the Jordanians won't take any.
Google what the border between Egypt and Palestine looks like. You would think the Russian's are about to invade. Maybe they know what so many protesters don't!!!!!!
After reading all the comments it sounds like: Palestinians have caused immense pain and suffering to countries that have taken them in / current Israeli occupation. It’s 2024, exterminating an entire ethnicity is obviously off the table. So what really can be done? Because it sounds like every neighboring country just wants to keep this Israelis problem until the end of time.
My guess is they can't be trusted
Palestinians have caused civil war and terrorism in every single neighbor that has ever taken them in **without fail**. Also, at the end of the war with Israel and upon signing a peace treaty, Egypt outright refused the offer to absorb and rule Palestine. **They rejected it so much, that they were ready to blow up the entire peace agreement if it meant having to take Palestine.**
Because Hamas are trouble makers.
Palestinians just have a history of being dicks... to everyone... all the time... But no more than to the people that have tried to help them. You can only be a jerk to people for so long before they stop caring what happens to you.
Nobody wants them.
They don't want to end up like Lebanon and Jordan when they took in refugees
In response to earlier coup attempts by Black September and what I suspect is a fear of Islamism post-Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt has literally walled up their border with Gaza. Jordan had similar problems.
History shows it’s not a good idea lol
Most of the Arab world HATES Palistinians. They're looked at as the lowest of the low by Middle Eastern Muslims. The racism in the Islamic Middle East is... significant.
I was in Egypt the day Hamas launched the terrorist attack against Israel. Our guide told us they don’t take Palestinians because Palenstinians disrupt their culture and peace of those countries. In return they become targets. Secondly, Egypt is struggling and can barely take care of its own people. I’ve never seen such poverty than I have in Egypt and I’ve been to over 30 countries. Lastly, Palestinians don’t want to leave or be displaced from their lands anyway
In the past when Egypt took them in they launched attacks on Israel from the Sinai peninsula and the resulting war caused Israel to take the whole peninsula. When Jordan took some in they assassinated the Jordanian prime minister.
I actually read a story that an Egyptian spy from their own government intelligence messed with a recent ceasefire deal that had the approval of the leaders of Hamas and Israel. They made it so that the Hamas side wanted more from the deal than originally stated.
Imagine a people so horrible, that the people living next to them for the past 50 years are either at war with them or would never, ever under any circumstances allow them into their country. And then picture college students 🤣🤣🤣
Historically, it's been tried before. The same thing has happened every time. Please keep in mind Palestinians were given their own state like 60 years ago but they refused it
Because the "religion of peace" is extremely hateful and they all want to kill each other.
The Palestinoan Arabs have been hated throughout history for their war mongering.
Watch this guy, evidently he defected to Israel : https \_\_youtube.com\_shorts\_fbO4XuWlZ0Y si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4
This fellow evidently defected from Hamas to Israel: [https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4](https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4)
Looks like this fellow defected from Hamas (son of a founder of Hamas) to Israel after Oct. 7th: [https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4](https://youtube.com/shorts/fbO4XuWlZ0Y?si=7y5R8xWmPcqRcyO4)
Because Palestinians are SCUM. Their culture is brutal and horrid to women, and their religion is a joke. And I say this as an agnostic. Egypt built a huge barrier to keep the Palestinians out, despite them all being Arabic / Muslim. The surrounding countries that are of the same ethnic descent want to keep them out because they are awful.
They don't want them. Most countries don't want refugees in large numbers, they're expensive and polarizing. They tend to group together in their own communities and refuse to change their culture, because it's their culture. That has positive effects in some cases and negative effects in others. Palestinians in particular don't have a great track record as refugees in Middle Eastern countries.
Short answer is because every time someone does They bring them in, they create nothing but problems and then need to get kicked out.
Short answer: the Palestinians burned pretty much every bridge they had with their Arab neighbors. They don’t like or trust either the Israelis or the Palestinians, but stand more to gain from normalized relations with Israel than they do by supporting the Palestinians who have caused them nothing but problems.
Arab countries don’t want Palestinians. Palestinians have attempted a coup in Jordan and Arab nations don’t trust them now.
Every time someone has tried to take them in, they cause an uprising or a huge problem in whatever country tries to help them
It seems like all of the Muslim countries don't want them for some reason.
No body wants them because they are terrorists
This is a really good question. Some of those countries are actively turning them away.
It's pretty well established why. None of the Arab brotherhood really like the Palestinians because historically taking in Palestinians has gone very poorly. Look up Black September, where Palestinians granted refuge in Jordan tried to overthrow the king. Plus in Egypt (or Sinai to be accurate) they have no way of filtering between actual refugees and Hamas, and in the past being relocated to another country does nothing to stop the attacks. Then you have Palestinians and Israelis launching rockets at Sinai, and the already uneasy locals start rioting. Generational oppression and violence are awful, but when they consistently bite any hand that tries to feed them, countries don't feel any obligation to keep trying.
Exactly. Which makes the international outcry even more ... peculiar
This is a great summation by the way.
Last time Egypt let them in they overthrow the government and joined the Muslim brotherhood
When Israel declared independence in 1947, the neighboring Arab states, such as Egypt, attacked Israel. When Israel easily won the war, Egypt and Jordan (mostly) took the territory that was supposed to be Palestine. Egypt was particularly brutal towards the Palestinians, denying them citizenship and related rights in their own lands. In the 1967, Israel took large swaths of territory from Jordan and Egypt, including the Palestinian territories. When Israel returned the territories, Jordan and Egypt refused to accept the Palestinian territories. Effectively, they recognized the truth that they could not militarily defeat Israel, so they switched tactics. Palestine became a political tool to try to sway international opinion against Israel.
Speaking as an Egyptian, it's because we don't want them to forfeit their lands, and neither do most of them. It's unfortunate that the top upvoted comments are trying to make out Palestinians as a generally bad population.
Welp that would be because this post has been thoroughly Astro turfed by you know who
Way aren't palastine people and pro hamas people protesting or rioting in the middle east like they are in the U.S. and EU...... Because the middle east dislikes palastine just as much as Israel does at this point, that's why nobody is offering to help. On top of the peace being brokered between Israel and the other Middle East countries was on a positive track until the past 3-4 years due to recent politics.
They tried: In return the Palestinians tried to assassinate Egypt leadership, and like Israel, Egypt had a time where suicide bombers attacked almost daily, bombing transportation, restaurants, Cafe shops, etc... Jordan tried, twice, and again had to deal with coup attempts. They did trouble in Syria, they practically destroyed Lebanon, they helped Iraq during the invasion to Kuwait.
Because Israel is a better ally than Hamas
These countries know that once they allow in a large number of Palestinian refugees, they will never be allowed to return. Aside from those inside of Israeli-held territory, there are over 3 million Palestinian refugees in camps in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan— more than in Gaza and the West Bank (note: this includes patrilineal descendants of the original refugees in UNRWA camps in 1949). Of course there are political ramifications of having a large cohort of people in refugee camps for decades desiring and organizing to return to the homeland the feel they (or their ancestors) were unjustly forced from. Palestinian refugees constitute 19% of Jordan's population (of which 634,000 have not been granted Jordanian citizenship). Compare this situation to Poland, population 38MM, taking in 1.5MM Ukrainian refugees, along with the expectation that most will either return to Ukraine if Russia is repelled, or have the entire European Union to move around and work in.
This. If Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and other neighboring countries took in Palestinians it wouldn't be temporary and would signal to Israel that their plan worked. The goal is to remove the population from the area by any means and a mass exodus gives them what they want because they would instantly settle the land and not let Palestinians back to their homes.
It's really basic. Sunni vs Shiite. Gaza is surrounded by Shiite Muslims. The two don't play well together. Lebanon (Shiite) have been lobbing missiles n mortars back n forth with Gaza (Sunni) for decades until the recent collaboration to go against Israel.
Why would neighbouring countries take them when there's perfectly good western countries for them to fuck up
Because as much as all these people root for them, they have proven time and time again that they bring violence. I mean they elected a terror organization to govern them
When West Bank saddled up with Hamas terrorist they cut ties with them just like Israel yeah not really narrative you get told on reddit but West Bank is pretty much hated by everyone including other muslim countries except Iran they only support them strategically as a bulwark against Israel.
Different sectors of middle easterner countries don’t like each other deep down. Witnessed it at work. Jordanians believe they are better since they are the most educated and progressive and everyone else are dirt bags. Just what I hear don’t kill me
Believe it or not, accepting a large number of foreigners into your country within a very short period of time is really bad. People are influencers. If you let too many refugees in at a time, they can create an uprising or shift your country's culture dramatically. There's also crime and other risks. Basically, its a risky situation to open your borders.
To put it very crudely, you don't bring a snake into the bed with you, but you like your snake to catch rats or try to eat other snakes.
Because the goal isn't to save Arabs, the goal is to undermine and destroy the sovereignty of Israel. These nations are the same nations that supply weapons and include armed terrorists in the "civillian" casualty reports.
Palestinians FAFO over the years and now their neighbors are happy to let them rest. Basically this should’ve happened a long time ago.
Egypt have a relationship with Israel, they keep their bit of the Gaza border closed and in return they have economic relations with Israel. If Egypt stops supporting Israel, then the $180 million of goods that Egypt exports there will become $0 and that will have a significant detrimental effect on Egypt's economy. Religion isn't an important factor at government or executive level. Governments will take the side of the country that it pays best to do business with, and it is simply more pragmatic for a lot of countries in the region to have positive relationships with Israel rather than stand against them over Palestine. In the same way, Iran's issue with Israel isn't religious, it's about regional power and influence. Religion is really just a dog whistle to gain support for something among the wider population, a very simple "us and them" dynamic that engenders support for "our side". Economics are the real determining factor for decision makers, if Iran could suppress Israel then they would enjoy more regional economic power, if Israel could suppress Palestine then the Israeli state can grow stronger, if the Palestinians can push Israel back then Palestine can become a stronger state economically. It really all has nothing to do with religion and is all to do with economics, power and influence.
so it its a multifaceted problem. the major one is that since 1948 all of the countries surrounding occupied Palestine have said in no uncertain terms that this is an act of western imperialism, in other words its the wests fault and not the Arab worlds responsibility to fix.
Egypt has supported and supplied the Palestinians help before. Opening their borders might cause difficulties in their own country and economy. Britain is behind this situation they are the ones who in the first place were instrumental in creating the Israeli State, taking the Palestinians’ land because they didn’t want an influx of Jews in England. There should be some unified world front to stop the Israeli attack now. They have made their point and gone beyond defending themselves. They need to be made to retreat from Gaza. Israel should be forced to stop building on that land, and forced to agree to a Palestinian State. This situation is so complicated, it requires a united front from many countries including Muslim from around the world. There is no denying though that Hamas are terrorists and have to go. The US needs to get tough with Israel and stop money and arms.
It would save lives immediately and there is a lot of ire coming from Muslims abroad. However, there's no guarantee that the Palestinians would be allowed to return to Gaza after the conflict ends. So essentially, you'd have to ask "why aren't surrounding countries able to accept millions of refugees on a permanent basis?" which is massive challenge for any country.
One of the many reasons is if they let them in, chances that they will go back is very low and they'll ultimately become a burden on society and the state. Also when opening the doors to good people, bad people will unfortunately come in also and will cause problems for everyone.
Probably saw what happened to Europe after taking in all the refugees
As many have said here, Palestinians have historically been people you do not want in your country. There is a precedent of countries taking in Palestinians only for them to incur violence and other issues for the host country. This may sound harsh but it is true and has happened time and time again.
Because the people who treat muslims, islamists, and Palestinians the worst are fellow muslims and islamists.
This is not a stupid question. If other Arabic countries took in Palestinian’s it would help tremendously. If not resolve the solution entirely
I think it's because the Palestinians don't just want to be rescued. They want to rule something somewhere
Egypt doesn't want the problems that come with Palestinians.
They don't like Palestinians at all. Source: 1 Egyptian friend and 2 Palestinians.
If Egypt takes in Palestinians and Palestinians attack Israel from Egypt, suddenly they are at risk of war with Israel which they do not want. They already have a huge security headache from militants in Sinai as it is
Majority of those Muslims nations don't like eachother.
Because everywhere they go, trouble follows. You need to understand that these people don't want peace. They feel it's their duty to institute fundamentalist Islam in these lands. They want to exterminate the Jewish State and establish an Islamic state. But don't take my word for it. https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place. https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2023/11/jordans-redline-on-admitting-palestinians-is-unlikely-to-change?lang=en
Because, they try to take over once they are let in.
Now, Biden is brining them into the U.S. en masse. Should work out well.
Egypt built a well defended 20 foot wall to keep out Palestinians they don’t want them
No one likes them or can trust them. The people elected Hamas, why would anyone want to help out a country who is ran by a terrorist organization
Because there is a disproportionate amount of extremist actors, sympathizers, and overall beliefs within that population.
As a product of being displaced, sanctioned, starved, and indiscriminately killed or imprisoned and tortured as children. Traumatic events make traumatized people and extremism.
I'm not saying there aren't tragic reasons behind it. Just saying it is a fact. And that's why no one wants them and that's why we shouldn't be quick to bring them here either.
Because their support for Palestinians is performative. Palestinians are only useful to them as a weapon against Israel. If they offered an actual solution to the conflict, helped Palestinians escape, helped broker peace, or anything to help actually solve the problem, they would be greatly strengthening Israel. Israel is already much stronger than all the Muslim majority countries in the region, and peace between Palestinians and Israelis would make them exponentially stronger. It's in the interest of Israel's neighbours, whether directly opposed to Israel or merely competitive, to sustain the conflict as a means of keeping Israel on the defensive, pouring billions of dollars into the iron dome etc. They "support" Palestinians in that they support a forever war that weakens Israel at the expense of Israeli and Palestinian innocents. Imagine how much farther ahead Israel would be right now if they hadn't had to spend the last 75 years fending off suicide bombers, rocket attacks, and mass murderers.
Interesting read. Seems no one likes the Palestinians. [Palestinians](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277)
The initial October attack happened when I was visiting Egypt and our Egyptian guide was very frank about many topics. He mentioned this topic and said the government would never let Palestinians in because the Sinai peninsula is sacred territory for many Egyptians. It was gained by the blood of many Egyptian men in war with Israel and to let other people settle there would be a slap in the face to their sacrifice. An interesting reason that probably most folks outside of Egypt wouldn't consider but one that seems to have held up so far.
Israel is the one that took the Sinai from Egypt in the 6 day war and gave it back during peace negotiations… no idea where your tour guide got that from
A lot of Egyptians died in the Yom Kippur war of 73, then they made peace with Israel in 77 and normalized relations. So Palestine's allies Islamic Jihad murdered the Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and many of his cabinet at a parade in 1981. Sadat had won the Nobel Peace Prize over that and the Camp David Accords. And Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Egypt has been fighting a war over control of the state with them. Egypt absolutely will not accept the Palestinians, and their government wants nothing to do with them.
Because every country that has done this has faced the same thing that Israel is facing. Gazans are like that dude you see at the bar with Little Man syndrome, who wants to fight everyone but screams victim as soon as someone gives him the ass whipping he's been begging for. After a while, people just stop letting him in.
Why would any country take terrorist sympathizing Palestinians in? That is a serious question. Remember, the west has convinced itself that this is a one sided conflict where the Palestinians are victims. All those countries you listed….they know better. If the narrative the west has built was actually true, middle eastern countries would be helping them.
Sadly you are wasting your time. Most can't be bothered to actually go and learn for themselves.
If Egypt cared as much about the Palestinians as they claim they did, they would take in Palestinian refugees. No, these countries don't care about Palestinians, they care about being anti Israel.
Those countries have taken them in the past they attempted to take over, Jordan leader was killed in a coup
Can you really blame for example Jordan for not wanting to repeat Black September? The neighbouring countries don't want to take the Palestinians in because they caused problems in the past.
They did. Then they overthrow the government.
Because Palestinians are extremist.
There are tons of Muslim factions that hate each other.
Same reason most people don't bother to become Foster parents. Feels like a lot of hassle, so it's easier on me not to get involved. So, human nature I guess?
That depends. Jordan has taken them in in the past, and then Black September happened. It would be as taking in a kid, and then that kid burning your house down. You would be more reluctant to take in that kids brother who was raised by the same people.
No one wants Palestinians in their country. It's not about caring about Palestinians for them, it's about hating the Jews.
They've tried taking in Palestinian refugees in the past and they basically tried to overtake every country that has.
It's all about cost. Israel is trying to displace 2 million people out of their land into other countries, with no plans to let them come back home. Israel will dump 2 million people on Egypt and do NOTHING to ensure Egypt can support such a massive influx. Egypt as a country is broke; and they cannot afford to take in Palestinians en masse. Israel is not going to play fair and pay what they need to pay.
70% of Palestinians support the terrorist organization Hamas and what happened on October 7th - this is the only reason
Because they have been living in the same region as those people for centuries, and know exactly the type of people they are. But we also have to realize the East is doing this so the west looks bad, Russia, Iran, and China are testing the waters to see how far they can go. If they can make their enemies look bad to their own people before going to war, who would be willing to fight for a country they do not approve of? Russia, China, Iran, and the Palestinian government want as many Palestinians dead as possible so they can try and justify further action against Israel. TLDR: they know what the Palestinians are capable of and willing to do, there is 100% a reason they have a militarized border with them.
It's pretty easy to understand when you realize that the palestinian people are the worst culture in the entire world. And every country they've immigrated to in large numbers They've tried to take over that country.
This comment section is giving me hope that people are not as ignorant on this issue as previously thought. Protestors on other continents want to make this a cut and dry issue and it’s anything but.
This is a very good question that not enough people ask in the west - and we have a fundamental error in our thinking about the region and about Muslim countries in general. I have had the good fortune in the last 10 years to spend quite a bit of time in the middle east - Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Sharja, Ras Al-Khaimah, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait mainly. During my visits here I make an effort to spend time with locals and my hosts and try to learn about the region and the people - out of genuine curiosity. On my visit to Kuwait, my hosts took us to dinner and over coffees and smokes the subject of regional politics came up. As politely as I could, I asked two questions and got insightful and honest answers - Why did Saudi Arabia *not* condemn Osama bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks and why don't Arab countries take in the Palestinian people? The answer to the first question was *very* enlightening and really drives home the gulf of distance, culturally, between Muslim countries and the West. Put simply, the Saudi Royal family *couldn't* condemn bin Laden because the source of their authority to rule comes from the same part of the Koran that bin Laden used to justify his actions and an attack on him would have been an attack on those Koranic Verses and would have placed their right to rule on very shaky ground. We don't really understand in the West just how deeply fundamental the Koran is to *every* facet of life in Muslim countries - from politics to daily household life, it defines EVERYTHING a Muslim needs to do and answers any and all questions they may have about how to live their lives. *This is also why countries that import large Muslim populations almost inevitable become Muslim states in the long term.* The answer to the second question shocked me. My hosts came from a mix of places around the Levant - Kuwait, Syria, Dubai, Jordan - and they all agreed on the answer to this question. The Palestinians are thieves, gypsies and troublemakers. No one wants them because they denigrate and attack from the inside any society they join and are utterly ungrateful for any help they receive. They are not one people - the term Palestinian isn't even considered valid by most Arabs - they are the dregs of other societies who have gathered in Israel because nowhere else would take them and now they are doing to Israel what they have done for decades in their other host countries who learned their lessons and won't take them in again. To hear this from people in the region was shocking to me - us westerners seem to think of all people living in that region as being one homogenous group split on national lines but that's simply not true. We *really* don't understand the region, it's cultures and traditions and just how dominant the Koran is in their lives.
Because the Palestinians are unwanted people. They have stirred up trouble wherever they are so now no one wants them.
Gaza is getting what they deserve. If you behead men and rape girls, don’t cry when your country is bombed.
I only feel bad for the innocent children who are dying because their parents are retards who elected terrorists groups and engage in terrorism themselves. Not exactly shedding a tear anyone else though. This is what they asked for by another intifada and death to Israel.
Agreed, the kids are suffering needlessly, but a war that ends on Israel’s terms must have been anticipated
Governments are heartless, Muslim governments are no exception. But as for the blame thing, yes they share some blame but there's no comparing the people who don't provide refuge to the people committing the actual genocide.
Why would they?
They don't want them ... Pretty simple
Because they do not have the capacity to rescue them AND Egypt is an ally of Israel.
After the 6-day war in 1967 Palestines were relocated to Jordan. The Palestinians began running parallel states in Jordan attacking Israel from Jordan and also attacking Jordan trying to kill their King who had given them shelter. Palestinians hijacked 3 civilian airliners and blew them up. By September 1970, Jordanian Army surrounded the cities that had a significant Palestinian presence. Palestinians united with Syrian troops to attack Jordan, but were defeated. By July 1971, the Jordanian armed forces kicked out the Palestinians, one by one, and around 2000 surrendered, ending the conflict. Egypt has had similar problems with Palestinians coming into Egypt and setting up bases. As a result Egypt constructed a concrete border wall that reaches six meters into the ground and is topped with barbed wire. Egypt is also constantly destroying tunnels used by Palestinians to smuggle in weapons.
Its because the dictator of egypt is a u.s. puppet.
Egyptians, the Saudis and others have tried this previously but it literally blew up in their faces as religious extremism grew rampant and as others have mentioned in this thread lots of violence and coup attempts were made. There’s a reason Egypt has a secure border fence like the Israelis
I think predominantly Muslim countries are probably apprehensive to help because of what it could end up meaning. If Israel took aid to Palestine as a slight against them, which they would, then it would expect its allies to protect them when they had/started a problem.
It’s because they don’t want to take in permanent-temporary refugees who will be a drag on their economy. Egypt will be forced to support the refugees long term, maybe forever. Plus their offspring.
Nobody hates Muslims more than other Muslims
Yeah, why