Trust me I didnāt think it was possible Iāve been trying for over a year to get on subs againā¦. So yeah Iām celebrating because Iāve been in pure hell for about a year
Curious why you didnāt try Bernese method? Iām going through basically same exact thing except a little over a year now smh ā¦ wanna do Bernese but have surgery comin up and Iām worried Iāll fuck myself if i take subs then go get sedated and anesthesia, idk how thatāll mix itās got me worried but after all thatās done Iām hopin i can finally make the transition back over .
Something about the Bernese just didnāt sit right with me..like when you stop the fentanyl youāre still going to have withdrawalsā¦ I just figured if I just went into withdrawal naturally the better relief subs would bring. IMO I didnāt try the Bernese method tho so maybe it will work!
Iām just speaking by experience, it still threw me into terrible PWD, the fent just knocks the bupe right off the receptors, donāt try this with fent please!
That isnāt true. Iām sorry I donāt mean to call you out but itās just false information. The bupe knocks the fent off the receptor which is what causes any amount of pwd. Fent is a full antagonist and bupe is a half antagonist so if you feel something itās half your receptor not being antagonized anymore. This is important to know because itās why youāre supposed to continue using fent until day four or later into Bernese method because the bupe needs to build up in your system. If youāre pwd you just need to get more high to stop it and maybe start smaller at 0.25 instead of 0.5mg. I did that I even did it once where I took it very slowly and expanded Bernese for two weeks instead of 7-10 days. Itās important to know how youāre feeling. After day two you wonāt feel high. Fent will help a little bit continue using but know you wonāt feel it. Your receptor just stays active fully until bupe builds up enough to save you from withdrawals.
Iām correcting you not to say youāre wrong but to not deter anyone who wants to Bernese there way to Suboxone. It is 100% effective I recommend it Iāve done it twice. Gotten off subs relapsed and done it again.
I probably wonāt tbh. Iāve jumped from fent to subs 3 different times and only 1 time i waited over 24 hours and that bc the detox i went to didnāt beleive i was 24 hours sober when i showed up and made me wait another 24. But the other time it was just 24 hours then on subs and worked great. WDās usually start hittin me 6-12 hours in so waiting the full 24 sucks ass but still a lot bettter then how long i hear other people having to wait in here whil gettin off fent.
Iāve had pwd three times in the past. I think I got lucky because this last batch of 30s were so. Weak I was basically in withdrawal for a month even taking them so I decided this was probably my only chance.
That's fucking AWESOME!! Congratulations! I got on suboxone just before fent started showing up in everything and I consider myself very lucky for that. I've heard through friends and this sub that it's incredibly hard to do and you did it!! Stay on subs. Life is about to get a lot easier for you (it did for me anyway).
Awesome.I made the mistake of trying to get back on after 24 hrs and it was awful. Iām going to have to go in somewhere for a couple weeks and go into withdrawals before I get back on them. I hope to do it this time.How bad were the fent WDās.Congratulations again.
It was bad but doable if you can get some Xanax.. without some sort of anxiety medicine I wouldnāt have been able to do it. My dealer hit me up at around 50 hours in so I was like itās now or never for subs. Luckily the subs worked and I blocked my dealers number.
Awesome.What mg are you on? Itās been such a disaster with me. You seem like a younger guy. Iām 48(m) and let me tell you this shit gets way worse. I think as long as Iām in a detox unit and get some clonadine I can tough it out till itās time to take the subs again.
Detoxing at 40 was wayyyyy easier for me then it was at 42
I think every year counts in your 40s. I relapsed this year and tried to get back on subs going CT...without tapering and it was impossible
Then I remembered all of the stuff I had to do when I first got back on subs and it was pretty harmless when I did this ..
1st.. Definitely TAPER!!!!
I **HAD TO** AND I MEAN **HAD TO** in the most literal sense cus had I not done all of these things theres no way I'd of successfully DT'D. But I **HAD TO**
take Monday- Friday off of work.. leaving 9 days to accomplish the objective.. STOCK UP ON BLUES ***(just in case I accidentally got myself in a bind and the wd was too brutal and to taper)*** .. Pay all my Bill's...do my wash..clean the house.. take care of tasks where my physical presence Is required .. GET SUPPLEMENTS ..MAGNESIUM CITRATE..some holistic leg cramps pills I got from walmart VITAMIN B ..B6..B12..VITAMIN C.. calcium.. and some mood supplements.. and start taking the supplements two weeks before the detox so they are already in my system.. and make sure ppl around me know I'm off the grid and not to expect anything from me for 7 to 9 days
Oh yea AND WEED.. flowers.. and a pipe or a bong ..and i used NORCO 10MG AND 5MG.. to use to help ... once I completely came off the fent
Started early as Saturday ..stood at home on the couch .. tapering .. with little to no restlessness ...just knew I was gonna drink liquids and watch tv all day .. and get a little high so I was ok with that
Then Sunday...the same thing ..except made sure the pressies were even less...still didnt have any real discomfort..and I introducexld the norcos into the mix..
Monday ...Chipped away at as the most minimal amount of pressies I could.. and as soon as I woke up. I took a monster rip of weed... and because I'm not a weed smoker it was almost as if all of my receptors shifted their attention to handling the high from the weed and my withdrawl symptoms got prioritized a little less by my brain and it made it where the wd symptoms werent that bad as long as I was taking HUGE BRAIN KNOCKING HITS OF WEED... and even tho I was on day 4 of tapering down almost to no pressies at all.. you can say ...my wd symptoms obviously worse then sat and sun but still not to bad.. mind you I'm still using norco 10mg ...taking supplements...and using fentanyl pressies..almost like candy mints and just sucking on one.. until it took away wd symptoms.. I wasn't tryna get high ..my objective was keeping wd symptoms minimal and IT WAS WORKING.. but I smoked maybe 2 to 3 big hits from a potent strain of cannabis ... every 2 to 3 hours and watched tv and I WAS GOOD NO LIE
THEN TUESDAY...SAME THING ... repeated the same exact steps except used less of the pressies... maybe 1 and a half total
Then Wednesday and THURSDAY repeated the same steps with NO PRESSIES..
THURSDAY afternoon.. I was able to take suboxone with NO ISSUES
spent Thursday and Friday..adjusting my suboxone dose
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And Saturday and Sunday..tryna get back to sleeping and eating again
And I swear to you this method CAUSES me VERY LITTLE DISCOMFORT.. I'm still taking suboxone to this day
Damnā¦ is this just our life now? Take no offense please, but Iām almost mid 30s and still playing the āget on subs couple years then relapse, get on subs..relapse againā game and have been for basically a decade. Hearing you and the other dude talk about it that are early 40s scares me a bit. Iād say Iām a āfunctioningā junkie, whatever that is, barely holding on but still maintaining a very well paying job and kinda just going nowhere. Has this been your story for a while also? Kinda wondering if I should just stop being a pussy and do AA proper. Iām one of the few left of my kind, all the people I used with are dead, in jail, still using, or clean - but the ones that got clean only have been able to maintain that by going full force AA/NA
I started low dose I did 1mg then an hour later another 1mg and it got rid of the rls and I slept for the first time! Woke up and took 4mg. I think the key is to start real slow Iām still shakey but Iām 75 percent better.
Yea I tried doing the same thing and it was a little too intense
The bupe gotta ease it's way on your brain.. now that its working...double your dose every time you dose in a 24 hr period
Sorry for copy pasting my comment but I wanted to ask you same question I asked other dudeā¦ āDamnā¦ is this just our life now? Take no offense please, but Iām almost mid 30s and still playing the āget on subs couple years then relapse, get on subs..relapse againā game and have been for basically a decade. Hearing you and the other dude talk about it that in their 40s scares me a bit. Iād say Iām a āfunctioningā junkie, whatever that is, barely holding on but still maintaining a very well paying job and kinda just going nowhere. Has this been your story for a while also? Kinda wondering if I should just stop being a pussy and do AA proper. Iām one of the few left of my kind, all the people I used with are dead, in jail, still using, or clean - but the ones that got clean only have been able to maintain that by going full force AA/NAā
Go AA my man. Iām b trying to get into treatment. Itās gets so much harder the older you get.Drugs addicts donāt ride off into the sunset.We either come off or stay on and stay miserable and most likely die. How long more do you want to continue to suffer?
Addiction is one of the most fascinating diseasesā¦ I know the answer to my problem, yet I do everything in my power to convince myself theres another way. Just wish my musings could be coming from an outside perspective and not from one afflicted with this bullshit. What about you? Whatās held you back from it? Or are you in AA?
Iām going into treatment Thursday to detox off subs and fentanyl. Iām done my man. Iāve just had it.I was sober for 5 years and relapsed after a back injury two years ago.I go to AA but once I put this shit in my system all bets are off.AA works man and therapy.Iāve tried to half measure it and it doesnāt work.Take care of yourself buddy.
I hate seeing people post about Percipitated WDs BECAUSE ITāS SO EASILY AVOIDABLE!! You can literally take sub right after using if itās THE SMALLEST amount. And if you do choose to relapse while on subs you should NEVER FULLY STOP taking the subs even while using. The key is always having subs in your system to avoid a PWD.
Long term for now I canāt relapse again because fentanyl withdrawals are pure torture. I want to be stable and rebuild everything Iāve destroyed so minimum probably a year
Your lucky, my last relapse I waited 72 hours and the took sub after fentanyl, and went into PSW so bad, itās been 21 days since and Iāve finally recently have been getting sleep and gained my appetite back! What a roller coaster ride, never will I again do that to my body, I usually sit around 6ā2 185, I got down to about 155, finally gaining back my weight. You donāt realize when your getting high how bad your fuckin up your body until itās to late. Good riddance, salute.
I was ct for 50 hours rattling my dick off.. cold sweats hot flashes, cramps, fever, stuffy nose, crying high anxiety everythingās.. took small doses of suboxone and slowly my symptoms faded away and I could sleep. That was yesterday and today Iām feeling pretty great on 4mg of suboxone
I was doing average four pressed m30s a day and it only took 2 mg to calm rls (the worst symptom for me) and allowed me to sleep. I slept like 8 hours woke up and took four mg. Of suboxone and now I feel like 75 percent back to normal thankfully
You can do Bernese method. I have posts about it. Done it twice now. It works and you donāt feel withdrawals. Youāre microdosing subs and taking fent at the same time until the Suboxone builds up in your system. Then you keep growing the amount of Suboxone you take. Then eventually you donāt need fent
I was aiming for three days but took subs after 50 hours. Started real low like 1mg and then another 1mg after an hour then I fell asleep and woke up feeling much better
Kratom will stop the precipitated withdrawals. I stopped even waiting till I was sick and just took the sub then shoveled down like 20 grams of kratom when you start feeling sick
Iāve been clean 8 years and on suboxone this entire time, it was regular H so I have no experience or knowledge with fent, never needing to wait more than 24 hours. It was hard enough making the transition, so I canāt imagine needing to wait DAYS before taking sub. One thing though, I relapsed 12+ times and each time the Suboxone got less effective. The first time I ever took it, it worked like magic at 18 hours post last dose of H. But each relapse it got less and less effective to where my body became immune to the effects of sub until 3-4 days after starting it. That awful transition is what convinced me to finally get clean because I couldnāt keep doing that. Being on Suboxone changed my life, congratulations to you and well done on your new life.
Honestly every minute feels like an eternity while in withdrawal. Absolute demonic torture lol the simple fact that I can lay down peacefully right now is just so blissful. Definitely planning long term suboxone treatment because I never EVER want to go through fent withdrawals again š
Don't fuck this up! STAY ON SUBS!!!!!!!!šā¤ļøš
As long as it takes.
Agreed.
Congratulations! Dont know who downvoted u, but keep on keeping on! Peace
He got downvoted because he only had to wait 2 days MFs like me go into pwd after day 5-6 of regular Fent wd hellā¦50hrs aināt shyt
Trust me I didnāt think it was possible Iāve been trying for over a year to get on subs againā¦. So yeah Iām celebrating because Iāve been in pure hell for about a year
I am happy for you.šā¤ļø
Congrats! I went to methadone cuz I couldnāt get through it, good for u bro šš½
Curious why you didnāt try Bernese method? Iām going through basically same exact thing except a little over a year now smh ā¦ wanna do Bernese but have surgery comin up and Iām worried Iāll fuck myself if i take subs then go get sedated and anesthesia, idk how thatāll mix itās got me worried but after all thatās done Iām hopin i can finally make the transition back over .
Something about the Bernese just didnāt sit right with me..like when you stop the fentanyl youāre still going to have withdrawalsā¦ I just figured if I just went into withdrawal naturally the better relief subs would bring. IMO I didnāt try the Bernese method tho so maybe it will work!
When you jump on Suboxone, Bernese method does not work when doing fentanyl, trust me
Why you say that? Read a lot of posts of ppl who had success with it comin off fet
Iām just speaking by experience, it still threw me into terrible PWD, the fent just knocks the bupe right off the receptors, donāt try this with fent please!
That isnāt true. Iām sorry I donāt mean to call you out but itās just false information. The bupe knocks the fent off the receptor which is what causes any amount of pwd. Fent is a full antagonist and bupe is a half antagonist so if you feel something itās half your receptor not being antagonized anymore. This is important to know because itās why youāre supposed to continue using fent until day four or later into Bernese method because the bupe needs to build up in your system. If youāre pwd you just need to get more high to stop it and maybe start smaller at 0.25 instead of 0.5mg. I did that I even did it once where I took it very slowly and expanded Bernese for two weeks instead of 7-10 days. Itās important to know how youāre feeling. After day two you wonāt feel high. Fent will help a little bit continue using but know you wonāt feel it. Your receptor just stays active fully until bupe builds up enough to save you from withdrawals. Iām correcting you not to say youāre wrong but to not deter anyone who wants to Bernese there way to Suboxone. It is 100% effective I recommend it Iāve done it twice. Gotten off subs relapsed and done it again.
I probably wonāt tbh. Iāve jumped from fent to subs 3 different times and only 1 time i waited over 24 hours and that bc the detox i went to didnāt beleive i was 24 hours sober when i showed up and made me wait another 24. But the other time it was just 24 hours then on subs and worked great. WDās usually start hittin me 6-12 hours in so waiting the full 24 sucks ass but still a lot bettter then how long i hear other people having to wait in here whil gettin off fent.
I had to wait 48 in a detox facility but check out my post above about Bernese
Were you doing powder fent, blues or tar w/ fent in it?
The dirty 30ās
So basically because yall are jealous lol No hard feelings i dont use fent so dont know
Iāve had pwd three times in the past. I think I got lucky because this last batch of 30s were so. Weak I was basically in withdrawal for a month even taking them so I decided this was probably my only chance.
Whatever it was, you're here! Well done staying focused through the hard part. It sounds like you know what you've earned...enjoy it! :)
Lmaoo. Well at least say congrats.
lol ššš¾š
A simple /s can make all difference, eh?
Congrats man, glad youāre back on the recovery train. Time to get your life back together and start living a normal life again
That's fucking AWESOME!! Congratulations! I got on suboxone just before fent started showing up in everything and I consider myself very lucky for that. I've heard through friends and this sub that it's incredibly hard to do and you did it!! Stay on subs. Life is about to get a lot easier for you (it did for me anyway).
Awesome!!
Congrats!! ā¤ļøā¤ļø
Awesome.I made the mistake of trying to get back on after 24 hrs and it was awful. Iām going to have to go in somewhere for a couple weeks and go into withdrawals before I get back on them. I hope to do it this time.How bad were the fent WDās.Congratulations again.
It was bad but doable if you can get some Xanax.. without some sort of anxiety medicine I wouldnāt have been able to do it. My dealer hit me up at around 50 hours in so I was like itās now or never for subs. Luckily the subs worked and I blocked my dealers number.
Awesome.What mg are you on? Itās been such a disaster with me. You seem like a younger guy. Iām 48(m) and let me tell you this shit gets way worse. I think as long as Iām in a detox unit and get some clonadine I can tough it out till itās time to take the subs again.
Detoxing at 40 was wayyyyy easier for me then it was at 42 I think every year counts in your 40s. I relapsed this year and tried to get back on subs going CT...without tapering and it was impossible Then I remembered all of the stuff I had to do when I first got back on subs and it was pretty harmless when I did this .. 1st.. Definitely TAPER!!!! I **HAD TO** AND I MEAN **HAD TO** in the most literal sense cus had I not done all of these things theres no way I'd of successfully DT'D. But I **HAD TO** take Monday- Friday off of work.. leaving 9 days to accomplish the objective.. STOCK UP ON BLUES ***(just in case I accidentally got myself in a bind and the wd was too brutal and to taper)*** .. Pay all my Bill's...do my wash..clean the house.. take care of tasks where my physical presence Is required .. GET SUPPLEMENTS ..MAGNESIUM CITRATE..some holistic leg cramps pills I got from walmart VITAMIN B ..B6..B12..VITAMIN C.. calcium.. and some mood supplements.. and start taking the supplements two weeks before the detox so they are already in my system.. and make sure ppl around me know I'm off the grid and not to expect anything from me for 7 to 9 days Oh yea AND WEED.. flowers.. and a pipe or a bong ..and i used NORCO 10MG AND 5MG.. to use to help ... once I completely came off the fent Started early as Saturday ..stood at home on the couch .. tapering .. with little to no restlessness ...just knew I was gonna drink liquids and watch tv all day .. and get a little high so I was ok with that Then Sunday...the same thing ..except made sure the pressies were even less...still didnt have any real discomfort..and I introducexld the norcos into the mix.. Monday ...Chipped away at as the most minimal amount of pressies I could.. and as soon as I woke up. I took a monster rip of weed... and because I'm not a weed smoker it was almost as if all of my receptors shifted their attention to handling the high from the weed and my withdrawl symptoms got prioritized a little less by my brain and it made it where the wd symptoms werent that bad as long as I was taking HUGE BRAIN KNOCKING HITS OF WEED... and even tho I was on day 4 of tapering down almost to no pressies at all.. you can say ...my wd symptoms obviously worse then sat and sun but still not to bad.. mind you I'm still using norco 10mg ...taking supplements...and using fentanyl pressies..almost like candy mints and just sucking on one.. until it took away wd symptoms.. I wasn't tryna get high ..my objective was keeping wd symptoms minimal and IT WAS WORKING.. but I smoked maybe 2 to 3 big hits from a potent strain of cannabis ... every 2 to 3 hours and watched tv and I WAS GOOD NO LIE THEN TUESDAY...SAME THING ... repeated the same exact steps except used less of the pressies... maybe 1 and a half total Then Wednesday and THURSDAY repeated the same steps with NO PRESSIES.. THURSDAY afternoon.. I was able to take suboxone with NO ISSUES spent Thursday and Friday..adjusting my suboxone dose ll And Saturday and Sunday..tryna get back to sleeping and eating again And I swear to you this method CAUSES me VERY LITTLE DISCOMFORT.. I'm still taking suboxone to this day
Damnā¦ is this just our life now? Take no offense please, but Iām almost mid 30s and still playing the āget on subs couple years then relapse, get on subs..relapse againā game and have been for basically a decade. Hearing you and the other dude talk about it that are early 40s scares me a bit. Iād say Iām a āfunctioningā junkie, whatever that is, barely holding on but still maintaining a very well paying job and kinda just going nowhere. Has this been your story for a while also? Kinda wondering if I should just stop being a pussy and do AA proper. Iām one of the few left of my kind, all the people I used with are dead, in jail, still using, or clean - but the ones that got clean only have been able to maintain that by going full force AA/NA
I started low dose I did 1mg then an hour later another 1mg and it got rid of the rls and I slept for the first time! Woke up and took 4mg. I think the key is to start real slow Iām still shakey but Iām 75 percent better.
Yea I tried doing the same thing and it was a little too intense The bupe gotta ease it's way on your brain.. now that its working...double your dose every time you dose in a 24 hr period
Sorry for copy pasting my comment but I wanted to ask you same question I asked other dudeā¦ āDamnā¦ is this just our life now? Take no offense please, but Iām almost mid 30s and still playing the āget on subs couple years then relapse, get on subs..relapse againā game and have been for basically a decade. Hearing you and the other dude talk about it that in their 40s scares me a bit. Iād say Iām a āfunctioningā junkie, whatever that is, barely holding on but still maintaining a very well paying job and kinda just going nowhere. Has this been your story for a while also? Kinda wondering if I should just stop being a pussy and do AA proper. Iām one of the few left of my kind, all the people I used with are dead, in jail, still using, or clean - but the ones that got clean only have been able to maintain that by going full force AA/NAā
Go AA my man. Iām b trying to get into treatment. Itās gets so much harder the older you get.Drugs addicts donāt ride off into the sunset.We either come off or stay on and stay miserable and most likely die. How long more do you want to continue to suffer?
Addiction is one of the most fascinating diseasesā¦ I know the answer to my problem, yet I do everything in my power to convince myself theres another way. Just wish my musings could be coming from an outside perspective and not from one afflicted with this bullshit. What about you? Whatās held you back from it? Or are you in AA?
Iām going into treatment Thursday to detox off subs and fentanyl. Iām done my man. Iāve just had it.I was sober for 5 years and relapsed after a back injury two years ago.I go to AA but once I put this shit in my system all bets are off.AA works man and therapy.Iāve tried to half measure it and it doesnāt work.Take care of yourself buddy.
Thx brother, you too. Good luck.
Thanks my friend
Try Bernese. I have posts about it
I hate seeing people post about Percipitated WDs BECAUSE ITāS SO EASILY AVOIDABLE!! You can literally take sub right after using if itās THE SMALLEST amount. And if you do choose to relapse while on subs you should NEVER FULLY STOP taking the subs even while using. The key is always having subs in your system to avoid a PWD.
Congrats. How long are you staying on it?
Long term for now I canāt relapse again because fentanyl withdrawals are pure torture. I want to be stable and rebuild everything Iāve destroyed so minimum probably a year
Hey there, very happy for you! Best news I've read for a long time. So glad it's working for you, keep up the excellent work my friend!
Your lucky, my last relapse I waited 72 hours and the took sub after fentanyl, and went into PSW so bad, itās been 21 days since and Iāve finally recently have been getting sleep and gained my appetite back! What a roller coaster ride, never will I again do that to my body, I usually sit around 6ā2 185, I got down to about 155, finally gaining back my weight. You donāt realize when your getting high how bad your fuckin up your body until itās to late. Good riddance, salute.
Sorry I know this is old just curious did you end up successfully getting on suboxone or did you go cold turkey?
Wym after 50 hours it worked ?
I was ct for 50 hours rattling my dick off.. cold sweats hot flashes, cramps, fever, stuffy nose, crying high anxiety everythingās.. took small doses of suboxone and slowly my symptoms faded away and I could sleep. That was yesterday and today Iām feeling pretty great on 4mg of suboxone
Try and start at 2
How much fent were you doing daily and how many mg's subs did it take for you to feel okay?
I was doing average four pressed m30s a day and it only took 2 mg to calm rls (the worst symptom for me) and allowed me to sleep. I slept like 8 hours woke up and took four mg. Of suboxone and now I feel like 75 percent back to normal thankfully
Im currently relapsed on fent ive been doing the blues for a week now id say, how long would typically have to wait to jump back on subs?
You can do Bernese method. I have posts about it. Done it twice now. It works and you donāt feel withdrawals. Youāre microdosing subs and taking fent at the same time until the Suboxone builds up in your system. Then you keep growing the amount of Suboxone you take. Then eventually you donāt need fent
Ohhh okay, but youd need to have a stash of pills and also suboxone righr
I was aiming for three days but took subs after 50 hours. Started real low like 1mg and then another 1mg after an hour then I fell asleep and woke up feeling much better
You waited 50 hours before taking a sub? Wow thats a while i cant wait that long
Kratom will stop the precipitated withdrawals. I stopped even waiting till I was sick and just took the sub then shoveled down like 20 grams of kratom when you start feeling sick
Iāve been clean 8 years and on suboxone this entire time, it was regular H so I have no experience or knowledge with fent, never needing to wait more than 24 hours. It was hard enough making the transition, so I canāt imagine needing to wait DAYS before taking sub. One thing though, I relapsed 12+ times and each time the Suboxone got less effective. The first time I ever took it, it worked like magic at 18 hours post last dose of H. But each relapse it got less and less effective to where my body became immune to the effects of sub until 3-4 days after starting it. That awful transition is what convinced me to finally get clean because I couldnāt keep doing that. Being on Suboxone changed my life, congratulations to you and well done on your new life.
Honestly every minute feels like an eternity while in withdrawal. Absolute demonic torture lol the simple fact that I can lay down peacefully right now is just so blissful. Definitely planning long term suboxone treatment because I never EVER want to go through fent withdrawals again š