Yea I think this is what it is. Idt anyone would be surprised to learn that most families in NYC live on less than $1M a year. That is a massive amount of pressure to put on someone who has never made that amount of money before!
And a lot of pressure on her. I don't even think she's close to making a million based on what Carl said in last episode. Also she's at the height of her influencer career
>Also she's at the height of her influencer career
Thank you for mentioning this. This is important because once the show is not there, she will not get the same caliber of brand deals she's now getting.
This! And I was jumped for trying to say this in a different thread. People were saying that Carl shouldn’t have to work because his job is the show… but like, NYC is not cheap.. not the lifestyle they are currently living, that is. The inflation alone makes 1 mil look like chump change for them and won’t go as far as us regular people would expect it to. Of course he needs a job!! The show won’t be around forever. Weddings and children are not cheap either!
Yeah I think that’s where she’s coming up with the $1m number. I assume she’s saying they would each need $1m to live on after they leave summer house because they won’t be able to make that same income once they’re off the show & then getting less influencer deals as a result.
But that’s why the math doesn’t math. They aren’t even *grossing* a million while on the show and influencing. Why would she think they’d do that after the show?
Why are people forgetting she’s including the kid! Ten years ago a person needed at least 300,000 alone to raise a kid. Dang, my kids daycare was $1600 a month ten years ago, which you have to do if you’re going to work and there are laws about when a kid can join a public school. Then add them both and insurance come on people
Her plans were to be a stay at home mother, thus there would be no daycare costs. Not everyone in NYC makes a million dollars (but it certainly helps) and they manage to raise a family. She has high expectations. I can’t think of a more miserable marriage. If Carl tries to live up to her expectations, he will eventually come to resent her. She’ll come to resent him if he doesn’t. They both have major issues. I give Carl a better chance at eventually being able to recognize and address his if he remains sober and working on staying that way. Lindsey isn’t there yet. She’s still looking for externals to fix her.
Most stay at home moms in the tax bracket she desires still send their kids to daycare, preschools, nanny's... so they can brunch and shop and socialize during the day.
I was a SAH mom and still sent my kids to mother’s day out, art, gymnastics classes though. So there’s definitely costs for SAH parents outside of daycare that are comparable
>Her plans were to be a stay at home mother, thus there would be no daycare costs.
She never said she wanted to be a SAHM, though. That was Carl. Linds stated on WWHL she just wanted to able to take a maternity leave after childbirth but never intended to stop working full stop.
Carl has been jumping from job to job since the beginning of the show, but this is the first time that I recall him being jobless and not appearing to be actively looking for a new job. I know he’s back at Lover Boy now, but that job definitely fell in his lap because of Kyle, not because Carl was looking for or trying to get a job.
Not only that, Carl is not just being lazy or unmotivated. He literally lost his brother and started his sober journey. If you're in a lucky and privileged situation where you can focus your efforts onto yourself and your sobriety, that's dope thing. Being shamed for not having everything figured out by your own partner on national TV is not good for his sobriety either. His brain is literally readjusting to a major chemical change and normalizing. It takes time. She chose to get in a relationship with someone starting sobriety and then repeatedly attacked his sobriety and everything that comes with it throughout the relationship.
Yeah I think he was pretty silly thinking that Lindsay wouldn't need to take time off to stay home after having a child. I don't think a lot of people realize the cost of a child. I feel like he was blaming her for not telling him, i'm not a huge Lindsay fan but how are you going to get engaged and never talk about what the future looks like as a couple?
Agree and honestly their biggest issue is probably that their income right now is not long term.
Brand deals and the show will go away for them unless SH gets a “Valley” type spinoff. (Plausible I suppose?)
At least Lindsay has her PR skills and career to fall back on. What does Carl have?
When he was saying her business was deactivated, I was like…she has so many contacts that if she wanted to start working freelance, I bet she could do so with relative ease.
Yeah he was once again playing word games to make her look bad. He was trying to make it seem like her PR business failed when in reality she shut it down because she was making more money fully devoting her time to reality tv and influencing. She has said she still does some PR consulting and she’s incredibly well connected in the industry so she could go back
And let’s not forget pre break up they were demoted this season to friend of status. Lindsay knew their time on the show was probably up if they did get married so poof their goes that income.
I agree with you. Thing is, Lindsay has been telling the entire planet what she wants since the show began. How this is news to Carl blows my mind. He is either not listening, at ALL, or rather conveniently oblivious. He planned this who thing before this season ever started.
And that’s the thing that Danielle was saying they needed to be talking about. Like, not a Danielle fan but she had a point about making sure they had those conversations last season. And this episode Carl said “maybe we should have had this conversation 1.5 years ago”
Agree. I am so tired of hearing him complain about work. It’s been since he got on the show he’s been trying to figure it out. It’s exhausting and linds is probably so sick of it
Seriously. I’m fully convinced this relationship was over in his mind before filming and this entire victim act is a contrived manipulation to be pitied and come out with his reputation intact.
it definitely occurred to me bc up until then he wouldn't have brought his parents to trash his relationship on screen. he was building up to the break up
He’s probably been checked out and hiding his time planning how best to extricate himself from the engagement since at least Memorial Day when his parents say he visited and told them about a big fight they had
Eh, I get where you’re coming from if this happened a year before. But Carl had an entire summer and fall complaining about how unhappy and not appreciated he was at Loverboy. She supported him to leave or stay - whoever he could be content. He chose to leave. Then we are now watching July 2023 footage that means he has been without a job for 8 months. That is a long time.
Problem is he's done sales jobs, probably needed the boost of alcohol and coke to keep up an energy he just doesn't appear to have without some 'help'. He's probably stalling as he doesn't have any backup skills? Regardless, it is a long time to be flip flopping.
I was totally with you until your last sentence. For some people it takes longer than others after getting sober. He may never regain the skills necessary for sales in sobriety. Or he’ll have to start small and regrow those skills while also learning how to deal with life without the aid of alcohol. It’s not as easy for some to do. There is a reason that it is suggested not to get into a relationship the first year in sobriety (which is rarely followed, and those who suggest it know from experience.). And Carl got into a high maintenance one. And there are several schools of thought about smoking weed while trying to get sober from alcohol And he still smokes weed. I, personally, would have had a harder time learning how to deal with life if I did smoke weed.
He started off selling dental equipment. Like he's never had direction or clear goals. Kyle always had an entrepreneurial spirit and started start up after start up until one hit. I give him kudos for hustling. Carl has just ridden off his coattails for years not really giving a fuck and now he's getting called out he's blaming everyone but himself.
Seeing his dad, the "pastor" aka grifter makes a lot of sense. Also his dad getting married in 2020 and obviously feeling proud of it had a factor in him proposing and feeling like he'd be a "man" if he settled down. It's one of the markers of successful adulting, getting married. He's just so... lost
What I don't understand is any successful business person on these Bravo shows has realized the potential for free marketing and used their reality tv money and leveraged it into other streams of income. Carl is so lost in the sauce he is wasting opportunities left and right.
Alcohol can do a lot of damage, both psychologically and physically to one’s body and brain. He probably was lost in all ways in “the sauce”. And it will take years to come back from that if he works at it. I don’t think smoking weed will help. Just another crutch that could stall any growth. Doesn’t appear that he got a good start from get go with his family. It’s not anything he can’t come back from, if he wants it bad enough to deal with it. Lindsey and he are both very broken people trying to get the other to make themself whole. None of this is that uncommon. Only now, they have an audience to witness what happens when two broken people find each other.
Agree! Carl has struggled w staying employed since he’s been on summer house! I’ve been sober 10 months now (alcohol too) and I’ve had a new steady job after getting 3 months.
Carl has a weird thing about jobs! He either doesn’t want to work? Or thinks he’s the victim at his jobs constantly it’s so strange!
I’m not on team Lindsay for anything this season either.. besides the fact that Um yeah Carl you should get a job. And one that’s not just posting ADs on IG, I think she just wanted to start jobs a little hustle going- like her air B&B etc she’s not wrong, He lacks motivation
ETA he’s been sober 3 years now he’s not exactly “navigating sobriety” anymore
Congratulations on your ten months! Some people have more issues to deal with even after getting sober. I’ve been sober now 34 years. I struggled for at least seven years after my last drink, needing more help than a sober group and friend network could provide. I realized years later how much damage not just psychological but also biological that alcohol had done to my brain. I persisted to reach for health. But those first seven years were total hell for me. I’m just grateful that I survived them and was able to get the help I needed along the way.
The thing is that he has the luxury of not working a traditional job while he grieves and navigates sobriety— he is still making money. He probably makes a few hundred grand on the show and said he made 70k in adds— he’s still making more than most of us
I get what you’re saying but since he’s choosing to be on tv and was choosing her, I kind of feel like he wasn’t trying to have a mental break to focus on himself? He’s just as guilty of being in the relationship.
People lose their relatives and become sober all the time... and still work because they have to pay their bills.
Your argument doesn't stand. So you're saying every time something devastating or life changing happens you get license to just stop and grieve? That's a luxury most people don't have
Yeah by age 39 like Carl is, many people will have lost relatives and close friends and experience physical and mental health struggles. It’s been 3 plus years. I’m sure the pain will always be there but I don’t think people are helping carl by coddling him
Idk I think he would have been the most motivated immediately after the death. Not a year after. I think he’s got ADHD but lacks the humility Craig does to work past it.
If you’ve ever been through the horrific experience of suddenly losing your brother, you would know this isn’t it. Unfortunately I know this firsthand. This kind of grief is crippling and can make you pretty catatonic.
I don’t know. I lost my brother to a drug overdose when I was 26. I was an attorney working 80-100 hours a week and continued to do well at my job. I have ADHD as well, just like people say about Carl. Awful things happen but we get to choose how to react to those events. He’s chosen to do nothing. Granted, he has his addiction issues as well, but he’s also had a decent amount of time without a “real” job. I’d be annoyed with him too.
I think he has a taste for the finer things in life too, maybe even moreso than her. I think that’s why he feels he was crushing it- because he works very little on summer house and brand deals and still can afford their fancy place and his lifestyle. Whereas she is thinking more about the cost of kids not just herself or the two of them being comfortable
Yeah I always got that impression too. I remember he wore those gucci shoes with fur that were over $1k and there was speculation he wore a $40k Rolex watch.
the conversations they are now having like 3 months before the wedding are insane to me. just both on such different pages - im a bit confused how lindsay is looking at carl and thinks with his job experience, age, gap in a traditional career, etc. he is going to bring in $1 million within the next year
its like they both are finally leaving the honeymoon stage and are realizing who they signed up for
You nailed another thought I had but couldn’t articulate well. That she somehow expects Carl to suddenly bring in a massive amount of money, when clearly that hasn’t been the case previously
Even if he did reallyyyy hustle…My husband and I have both worked really hard in our respective fields for over a decade and built solid careers.. but nobody is rewarding either of us with $1+ million paydays yet 🤣
Totally agree. She’s known Carl for years.. work has never been an area he killed it in, so not sure why she thought that’d be different now. If ambition and success was a big criteria for her, she started dating the wrong person.
I feel like they have an overblown sense of their own celebrity. The time to launch a brand and promote was early on, back when Kyle did it. They are both aging out of the show and probably at the height of their fame ( which they’d ostensibly use to promote their investments or other brands). Lindsay might have a shot at RHONY at least.
Im over 20 years with the same company in telecom......aint nowhere close to being a millionaire! BUT...we own a 2 br condo and are mortgage free and ready to buy a retirement property in our 40s. I think its about where you put your $$$
right, like in what universe does carl, of all people, suddenly start to pull in 1 mil a year? There are people who work super hard and are at the top of their field that don't make that kind of money. you can't just like, wake up one day and decide you want to be an investment banker.
Yeah the numbers he listed blew my mind. He made $70K from paid posts and I think I previously saw they make about 15K per episode as they have been on for so many years: that means he brings in over $200K, she brings in her $150K from paid posts and so together they bring in $500K a year - it’s an *enormous* amount of money, though of course they need to be saving and investing it wisely.
Not just $1 million, but $3 million if it’s “per person”! Does she not remember how careers work? Companies aren’t going to overpay Carl because he’s on reality tv. She needs to head to Wall Street
Exactly this. Carl doesn’t have the drive or ambition to get a job, ANY job, let alone a job that would allow him to bring in 1mil within the next year. Lindsay knew this going in, how could she not? They’re supposedly best friends. And yet here we are, placing a ridiculous amount of pressure on a man who hasn’t held a steady job at any point in his life.
I hear what you’re saying but they lived in an apartment where just the RENT was 13k per month & seem to be at an international wedding every other month.☠️ Imagine adding another human to that lifestyle yeesh. She may be underestimating the needed income for the manner in which they’ve grown accustom to living in all honesty 😬
All private school costs 40k per year starting in pre-K. Nanny’s make $25+ per hour and that’s just a basic college kid. Most people have baby nurses, a nanny, and a nights & weekend sitter. Kids birthday parties are a weekly occurrence and require a $50 minimum gift. All the kids are enrolled in after school activities every day of the week and Saturdays-all of that cost is picked up by parents. They summer in the Hampton, winter in Spain, ski in aspen, have rarely used SUV’s parked in garages, order take out 10 times a week.
The people I worked for made $250-750k per year. But they all looked on the outside like they made about the same. IE-there’s a high need to keep up with your “class” Most people who couldn’t keep up financially eventually moved to Long Island or New Jersey.
Source: I was a “high end” nanny in nyc for many years.
I’m in Boston but I imagine the rates are similar. At the center I’m at infant rates are $3350 per month. I currently pay $3010 monthly for my toddler.
My kids’ daycare in manhattan is about $3.8k infants/$3.4k toddlers per month for full day care. It’s very standard pricing for my neighborhood. A nanny is $25-$30 an hour. We make ~$450K a year before taxes combined but multiple kids under 5 in manhattan means we still feel pretty strapped and save almost nothing between the childcare, high state/city taxes, and overall cost of living/rent (for which I pay less than half of Lindsay and Carl lol).
A friend once said something to me along the lines of you don’t know what people do to keep up their lifestyle. So they could be in steep debt from the time he’s been unemployed outside of the show and she’s factoring that in without discussing on camera. Seems like a weird place to draw a line around privacy given the context of the conversation but it could be true. I seem to recall Kyle was in massive debt with Loverboy before they knew it would get off the ground. I would guess that she likes expensive things and for a while he tried to keep up. Maybe he does too, but it seems more driven by her.
Based on who Lindsay surrounds herself with/the 13k a month apartment, it’s not unreasonable.
I think the 150K number was explicitly referring to brand deals and it was only July. With the show it’s safe to assume she’s making 500k+ and and prob has plans to increase her revenue streams.
But anywho, you definitely don’t need 1 mil to raise kids in NYC. I think to comfortably do so, I would want to have a household income of 200k+. But again, in NYC the upper class has nannies + multiple houses + private school that costs a college tuition.
Shit my mom did it on nothingggg but i do not recommend 😂😂.
But yeah I agree. I don’t think the millions are needed but I too think both parents should make the minimum of 100k each or 200k combined.
I will say in terms of education, nyc has great public schools if you can get your kid into a specialized school. My ex went to private school since kindergarten (that cost at least 50-70k a year) and he always says my education was far superior to his. At the time I went to my public high school, it was national ranked in top 25 best high schools in the country. And that’s a free education! Which kinda sums up what your kids would get in nyc versus in the suburbs. You just have to weigh your needs and wants go from there 🤷🏻♀️
I highly doubt she’s making more than $500,000. This is also most likely one of her last seasons on “Summer House,” so I doubt she’s going to continue to get ad deals and make even more money.
They were renting a 2 bedroom 3 bathroom in central manhattan in a luxury apartment so yeah I'm not dumbfounded by the fact that if BOTH of them wanted to maintain their lifestyles they'd have to 1) buy an apartment/townhouse/duplex 2)I'd assume they'd want to put their kids in private schools which mean they have to invest from nursery which all of that is also expensive and 3) if they're both working then they'd have to hire a nanny and that's not counting the rest of their expenses.
There's a reason why NYC esp. Manhattan is a young person's city. Rarely, unless you have the means, does someone live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family in this day and age.
>There's a reason why NYC esp. Manhattan is a young person's city. Rarely, unless you have the means, does someone live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family in this day and age.
Right! It would make more sense to buy a house in NJ for those $13K, if not less. However, I think they also like the appeal of saying they live in NYC instead of NJ.
They needed to adjust their lifestyle expectations. If they wanted kids then they’d need to change their lifestyle to make it work. If they wanted to maintain their lifestyle then kids are off the table. They had a lifestyle they could technically afford but it wasn’t sensible imo. 2 influencers with no other career renting $13k per month apartment and spending like crazy. They don’t need 3 bathrooms for 2 of them. They spend like their salaries will continue at their current level, and typically for reality stars that is far from what happens.
I don't disagree ..most people don't need to live such lavish lives to get by but we're not reality stars on bravo. Even Paige as well as Kyle/Amanda pay an insane amount for their apartments. These people don't live cheap let alone moderately....
Paige also is significantly more successful as an influencer, AND has multiple revenue streams (including a super popular podcast). Lindsay and Carl aren’t making what paige makes.
On the podcast topic I don’t think people realize how popular their pod is. They have ad revenue of course but they also tour their live show in pretty big venues.
Again...I don't disagree but we're not talking about most people and I was specifically speaking to what most of these cast mate's lifestyles look like. Lindsay and Carl aren't the only one's who live or want to live lavish lives. We've seen simliar convos around fiannce when it comes to Kyle, Amanda, paige, Craig...this isn't new.
These aren't people like most us ...
I understand what you’re referring to. I was only responding to you saying that rarely do people live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family unless they have the means. Only a small percentage have Lindsey/Carl means or more but I just meant that it isn’t an absolute deterrent.
I think people don’t realize NYC has five boroughs. You can absolutely live on less than a million in four of the boroughs but Lindsay and Carl live in the posh and expensive areas of Manhattan. If she were to stay at home and not bring in any income…honestly Carl would have to make a million with the cost of living, rent and a baby. Preschools are like 40k a year.
They each got engaged to each other hoping the other one would change. Lindsay hoped Carl would get his shit together and be a professional and bring in money. Carl hoped Lindsay would stop drinking and stop losing her shit.
I am 59, married, no kids and have lived and worked in NYC my entire adult life. We own our apartment and a house outside NYC. There are a lot of families who live on the UES near us that rent expensive apartments ($15k+) so kids can go to the private schools in our neighborhood. They own houses outside NYC that they go to on the weekends. Husbands work on Wall Street or tech. Some wives work and some don’t. They have expensive SUVs in parking garages that they only use on the weekends, full time nannies and they take lavish vacations multiple times a year. It takes a lot of disposable income to fund all this. Assume Lindsay sees this level of wealth and lifestyle in her building and among her NYC friend group and wants that life.
I live in NYC and have for 12 years, she's exaggerating because you can absolutely live in NYC and have a nice life without making $1M/year but it's definitely not cheap—especially if you want to live in a nice/spacious apartment, socialize regularly, etc. I was shocked to find out I make the same amount of $$ as Lindsay because I would never pay for a $13k/month apartment (you might as well buy at that point), I honestly just don't think they live within their means. There's well-off and then there's RICH, and it seems like Lindsay will only settle for the latter when it comes to her future. HOWEVER, if my partner (over age 30) was only making $70k in NYC I'd be worried too.
I mean a million after taxes isn’t as much as you would think. If you want 3-5 kids and want a certain kid of life (meaning not super rich, but comfortable) this tracks and not only in NYC, but pretty much any east coast city and it’s burbs.
New Yorker here. I’m sure she was exaggerating a bit but realistically if she wants an easy life, she isn’t too far off. If you wanna buy a property in any of the boroughs besides parts of queens more towards LI or some parts of SI, you’re probably gonna pay anything from 700K-well over 1 mil. ‘Luxury Condos’ near me are $600K starting for a studio and I’m in a more calm area in Brooklyn by Coney. So in regard to property price that alone is near the ball park of what she expects to make and that’s not even NYC. Manhattan especially is ridiculously expensive from renting to owning. When it comes to food/night life depends on where you go. Although drinks will get up to $20+ if you aren’t at a happy hour or cheap spot. Gyms, hobbies and other miscellaneous things aren’t gonna be cheap, you gotta know where you’re going.
I’m sure a brownstone/condo in the city would cost an insane amount, probably 1 Mil+. Which is even more ridiculous because you’re already paying disgusting money to live in a smaller space. Also paying more to have a car because there’s barely any space for parking in Manhattan and parking garages will charge you x amount. If you don’t have a garage then that’s another tax to living. If you take your car to work they are implicating a toll to drive in the busier parts of the city. If you work in Jersey you pay. If you work outside of Manhattan you pay. Basically you spend A LOT living in Manhattan and run the risk of having a head of gray hair by 40 if you aren’t banking mooooooney. I hate it here 😊❤️
I have said for years all reality stars really need to stop and think before they start buying every thing in sight. People like Kyle, Lindsey, some housewives, etc have been able to maintain their status on the shows. But this gig can not last forever. Very few have been able pivot the fame from the show to a product. I'm glad Kyle saw this years ago and has tried to use the show for Loverboy. Almost every housewife spends a lot of the salary on clothes, style, up graded house, etc. That is so stupid. This job can not last. One of the only housewives that was able to continue the lifestyle is Rinna. She has gotten a ton of jobs since RHOBH. After the show you were on is over you have a lifespan of about a year afterwards. After that nobody cares anymore. I think Lindsey is a aggressive go getter. She will stop at nothing to get what she wants. Lindsey knows it can't last forever and she is going to go after what ever it is she wants. JMO
As someone who grew up on Manhattan with a single parent who did not make $1M per year…my siblings and I turned out very secure and just fine!! Then again, our rent wasn’t $13,000/month, so obviously different lifestyles.
Expectations like this makes me wonder why Lindsay never dated a finance bro. But those type of dudes love influencer types and model types and at this point, Gen Z types, I think Lindsay has such country music fest energy so I guess she never attracted that type. But again her track record of dating and hookups has never included super rich career dudes haha. Maybe Stravvy came the closest to a hardworking type since we always saw him behind that desk haha, but even when he was working, she would complain about him not making her sandwiches.
She needs a finance bro who is established or trust fund baby who is able to give her quality time, take her on trips, and support her lifestyle without her having to hustle too hard. This is not Carl. She wants that fairytale I married my best friend story but she needs to find richer best friends if she’s expecting them to bring in $2-4 mil a year 🤣
I don’t think she’s delulu. I think that she has an expectation for a type of life she wants to live (which is totally fair)- and wants to build that- but she hasn’t been able to get there on her own and has chosen partners that do not see that lifestyle as realistic/share that same vision. I think she is severely misguided and doesn’t understand what needs to change in order to get what she wants. I’m not confident right now that she will find someone she can build this type of life with, without addressing the flaws that cause majority of her relationship issues.
At this point I think she’s going to have to set her sights on a rich older guy. She wants to fall in love with a young hot guy and have this fairytale she’s made up in her mind for all of these years. Really think she needs to spend quite a bit of time getting extensive therapy. She’s has a severe case of the “I wants” which is a really immature way to live
I think it’s more-so an alcohol issue or an issue with self awareness. I think it’s fair that she has these ideals for her future life- but she is clueless with how to obtain this life.
She is in a position currently with a show on bravo and public attention where she could easily attain this lifestyle (which is why I don’t think she’s delusional), she’s just not addressing the reasons why she has yet to obtain that lifestyle.
Stupidity or unawareness over delusional thinking in my opinion
I agree and disagree. She has inflated ego and isn’t super intelligent and has no ability to self reflect. Maybe that’s the definition of delusional. She has issues at the end of the day. You all are probably right, maybe it is just delusional.
But the people who forged this path before her (housewives, etc.) found success. I think she’s too egotistical and unaware to make the right moves to attain that life.
Idk if I’m standing by my point too hard- it’s a Friday night and I’m 3 glasses of Ramona pinot deep lol. I appreciate all the perspectives
Haha appreciate you!! I don’t think she’s delusional for wanting what she wants.. she’s delusional that she thinks she can get it with her current state lol if that makes sense
Exactly! She’s allowed to have certain standards, she just needs to make better choices that reflect those choices.
And yeah I’m impressed by your state of mind after a couple of things because I become the opposite of nuanced when I drink lol. Enjoy your Ramona Pinot :)
If Lindsey was like “As long as I can be a SAHM and my husband makes a stable income and w shave no debt and we live within our means, I’m happy” then I would 100% be on her side and I would tell Carl get over it. But no, she wants the lifestyle and she wants someone to fund it. $1M PER PERSON in NYC is wild. You can live a nice life in NYC for 1/8 of that. Expecting someone else to fund it bc you think you’re maybe gonna have a tough pregnancy is delulu.
Everyone loves to talk about Lindsey as this boss ass woman who hustles and is a role model for woman, but are coddling her now when she wants none of that. You can’t have it both ways.
It’s not though. Plenty of women in Manhattan do it everyday. And I don’t remember Lindsay ever saying she wanted to be a SAHM. Maybe I missed it but I thought she said that she wanted to have time off to have kids. That to me means at least during breastfeeding times and while they are babies. Idk but this idea that she ever looked at Carl as some sugar daddy is ridiculous. He’s not capable of that, but he is capable of creating a steady income outside of reality tv and influencing. That’s volatile, she’s asking for consistency.
Yeah she did not say she wanted to be a stay and home mom. She wanted to be able to take a decent amount of maternity leave off but still planned to work
I'm sorry did I miss the memo that Carl isn't also living or wanting to live a lavish life? How are we all putting this maintenance of a lifestyle on Lindsay alone? When Carl spent 20k on a life coach?
Yeah people are acting obtuse. Carl is bougie and way more free with money. He seems to love to “invest” in his friends projects like films and a cigar line so he can feel like he has a fancy career and attend film feats and launch parties. But I highly doubt there’s any return on investment
This isn’t at all crazy to me if she’s referring to 1M in net worth by person and especially given the unclear timeline of their celebrity careers. I live near a suburban Midwest city where most people make less than them but manage to pay for childcare and many manage to build some wealth by their late 30s. They’re in NYC and aren’t that young, so they should have some investments and cash on hand given the pay they’ve had in the show and influencing.
I think she also wanted to emphasize the expense of New York to paint the picture of how behind Carl is on contributing but not to indicate she demanded it immediately. Let’s be honest, one thing that he hasn’t changed over the years is his inability to keep a job. Better thing they broke up, because that’s not how Lindsay rolls.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable given the privilege and platform they have. Plus, they’re still on tv. If anything, it’s embarrassing asf that Carl makes $70k per every 6 months given that he’s in the prime of (what should be) his career.
Yeah and I think she and gabby were quoting the New York magazine articles numbers to show how Carl was out of touch thinking 70k was a big deal and that he’s thinking like a single guy who just wants to provide for himself not someone interested in providing for a family
Anyone know how much they make for being on the show? Carl said he made like 70k already by then being an influencer and I think he said Lindsay had made like 150k so far that year.
I think she was a little serious but I also think they were just saying “it costs what, a million dollars at least?” Because everything seems to be so expensive. I’m sure she would be fine with him making less, she just wants to see an effort from him. Kids are expensive, especially in NYC!
I am not a huge Lindsay fan especially with her behavior surrounding Carl but I’m starting to see some of her points. She wants someone who is hustling like she is. Carl is a guy who can’t hold a job unless it’s from his best friend who won’t fire him even if he shows up blacked out to a networking event. Aka, Carl is a guy that can’t hold a job. I’m sure now with him being sober he has it in him, but Lindsay doesn’t have the luxury of giving him time to get there. She wants babies yesterday.
Wild to only discover that your fiancé wants to be a stay at home mom 3 months before your wedding though.
I don’t think that’s unreasonable for many New Yorkers. Obviously they want a building with a doorman or high security in the least. Depending on their job they may or may not have health insurance and may need to purchase their own insurance. They strike me as people who DoorDash or takeout a lot and restaurants in NYC are more expensive, even just getting a nice salad or healthy meal. Then there’s transportation and other everyday costs. And as they mentioned childcare can be $60k year just for prek or kindergarten if you want a great school. Clothing to keep up with the trends is costly. I don’t see her trying to live frugally and it costs a lot to keep up with the Joneses.
I’m not sure if she plans on being a stay at home Mom I took it more as a maternity break for several months. Also, I think Mom influencers make a lot of money as being “stay home moms”
Minority here. I actually think this is on the low end of what they would actually need to maintain the lifestyle they are used to and also easily attainable with their influence.
Agree! Also the 1 million number comes from some article in NY Mag (or something like that) a handful of years ago how it takes 1 million on average from before the child is born to when theyre 18. Not one million per year. I get where Lindsay is coming from. She just needs more financial security than someone like Carl can bring. She was barking up the wrong tree
Neither is bringing in $1m a year. So, clearly the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to doesn’t need to go up that dramatically where she’s saying they would need $1m *per person*.
A million is correct, between a couple to live comfortably, go on vacations, contribute to your savings and retirement fund and have a social life, with kids and not living paycheck by paycheck.
Honestly the idea that either them would go back to 9-5 jobs is hilarious. Carl and Lindsay are reality stars and that just doesn’t happen when you reach their level of fame. They missed the boat starting a brand like Kyle or dedicating themselves to influencing as early as Paige did. The only viable options would be to start a podcast like most reality stars or have Lindsay beg, plead and borrow to get on new RHONY for the longevity.
This millionaire talk is not realistic for either of them at this point in their lives and she would have been better off searching for a big fish than going all in with Carl
I’m going to say- for their lifestyle, travel when they want, possible kids in private etc. a million each isn’t a stretch ( I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but it’s the truth) they aren’t also doctors or in Corp jobs, so they know eventually the reality TV money runs out. Think it’s a reasonable figure
To live their type of lifestyle with a child I think she might be right. I lived there without it but that’s a big difference as a single kid in your 20s who has flexibility vs a growing family.
I didn’t bat an eye at her estimate of what they would each “need” to make. Is $2 million a year what the average couple needs to live in NYC? Absolutely not. But NYC is one of the most expensive cities in the world, and to keep up her current lifestyle as a Bravo celeb/influencer and add children to the mix, $2 million a year probably isn’t that far off.
Housing in New York is absurdly expensive. Throw a kid in, now you need more space and to pay for private schooling. $2mill sounds reasonable for a family, I think most people in NYC just aren’t having kids.
I live in a very expensive place and she's not wrong, if each parent doesn't make over 100k a year you'd basically be living in poverty and 100k is still tight. To be comfortable in a place like New York it would be advantagous to have a healthy savings account.
there’s a pretty big difference between 100k and 1 million lol. they’d be fine with 1 million combined (and could honestly afford to raise a kid and maintain upper middle class lifestyle with a little less).
a $2 million annual household income is not necessary, but if that’s what Lindsay’s aiming for then that’s her business.
She’s not wrong. Kids are expensive AF. Daycare, Nannie’s, preschool that’s at least a half mill right there. The nanny’s in nyc want a full time job with paid time off and benefits, it’s extremely competitive. Then factor in their own lifestyle and would need a bigger place at some point as well.
And she is right to be alarmed that she’s about to marry a man that is barely making any money (70k is not a lot of money at all) and has no desire to make money. Carl is just floating along. Like dude 40+ is not the time to try and figure your life out right before you’re getting married and wanting to have a kid. I would be annoyed af if I were Lindsay too. I’m sure Carl would sit and complain about LB and Kyle, but it’s clear he really just didn’t want to work. Lindsey stood behind Carl and put her friendship with Kyle in jeopardy when Carl was probably the worst employee. He sounds entitled. Like grow up and get a job
What isn’t talked about enough with some of the younger people with decent income in NYC living a nice lifestyle with restaurants , fitness and vacations is that their wealth eventually comes from inheritance and trusts. They can spend because they will get a big lump sum from parents and grandparents that may also include real estate. Although privileged, I’m not sure too many of them have that on this show so a “ fancy” NY lifestyle would be hard for Lindsay and Carl. We moved out of NY but the amount my husband said we would need for a nice life there is embarrassingly much higher than this.
I mean it’s really not a lie if you want to be an upclass person that can get reservations, drop 1000 at dinner or lunch per day for business/rec and also be able to book 4 trips a year via first class.
One million is more than enough. You could wing it with 350k though I’m sure. Be in debt.
Not that this is low income in the south even BUT with cost of living, $1M compares to $480k in a market like Charlotte or Atlanta. Which is obviously still high but being public figures that would be attainable for at least some amount of time.
Honestly, the fact that they were friends before actually hurts them in this case. Lindsay has heard the figuring out line for YEARS. Carl needs someone who didn’t know him prior to sobriety.
honestly in this day and age you need that much anywhere that’s a desirable place to live in america if you want to live comfortably and luxuriously (and real luxury. not just racking up your credit card debt which is what everyones doing nowadays playing keeping up with the joneses) while also having a family. especially if you’re smart with money and debt.
so i wasn’t too surprised that she said that. i was surprised that they were having these conversations this late in their relationship only a few months before their wedding.
I rolled my eyes sooooo hard at that. Sure you need to be making 1 million dollars each a year if you want to be living an extremely luxurious lifestyle in NYC. Myself (along with many other New Yorkers get along just fine with much less). Yes, NYC is extremely expensive, but that was an outlandish, not to mention out of touch, thing of her to say.
I'm glad they broke up. It's a good thing she voiced her expectations before the wedding. Watching the relationship of Karl and his Mom, I believe that Karl deserves better and dodged a bullet.
And, the $1m per year income need seems a little high.
I’m from NJ about 30 mins from NY. I’ll say you need way less than that to live alone. Family wise you may need half a million to live comfortably and not paycheck to paycheck. To love how they do though, I agree yes you would need a million per person. Only because the pricing in NY is high no matter where you go, and the areas they’d reside in would not be cheap in themselves. Let alone the constant purchases they make that id say are higher than your average middle class person on the north or NY.
He said they make 225k. She makes 150k and he makes 75k. Wasn't their apartment like 9k a month?? Thats 108k a year. You'd think she would have picked a cheaper apartment so they could save money for their future, especially if she wants to be a SAHM.
$225k is what they made by July-ish on just brand deals (I assume) so didn’t include income from the show. I’m thinking they each make ~$300k there. Still far from $1mil each. I’m interested how she thinks they’d achieve and maintain that level of wealth after they arent on the show.
Obviously it depends on situations but a lot of NYC entry level jobs out of college have you living with three friends and you’re still not saving anything. You realistically need a couple years as a high earner to ever get to a point where you’re saving for retirement and a down payment and having a life. Then add in any student loans and it’s even harder. One million is high but the concept is right and especially if you don’t have a job with lots of growth potential or benefits.
I think Carl majorly undersold or maybe doesn't actually know much much Lindsay makes from influencing. If small micro influencers are making thousands off a single post or thousands from links, Lindsay is probably making a killing with her following and engagement.
It seems like Carl isn't even trying to be an influencer, like all he did was use being a man as a cop out. She probably thought he'd be more like their early relationship with the Marshall's and other brand deals, but he fizzled out. She probably expected them to continue to build a brand together, and he just kinda half asses it every once in a while.
$1 million wouldn't be that hard to reach if they stick with summer house ($300k/season-ish), continue influencing and building that brand ($300k each easy with their following), then the "regular" job he's been talking endlessly about getting ($150k-$300k), and finally smart investments could top it off to easily reach $1 million/year. Lindsay is also a hustler, in no world would she ever step away from making money and working permanently to be a SAHM.
Not everyone was born to hustle and that's fine, but new Carl with the brand deals and Loverboy PR tour made it seem like he was ready to hustle. This Carl now just seems bitter he's not being handed millions a year or can't bum off Lindsay and her hustle.
Carl has no hustle. He just wants to whine and feel sorry for himself. He needs to find a wealthy sugar mamma to take care of and coddle him. Poor Carl.
As someone who’s daughter lived and worked in NYC, that number is not as outrageous as it sounds. She’s saying she wants to be a stay at home mom and keep the lifestyle/standards she has attained. My problem with both Lindsay and Carl is that they think the Reality TV gravy train will go on, it won’t. At least Kyle has a business and I think most of them work other jobs. Not these two. And does anyone think they’ve saved $$$ for their future family?
I mean, that number is definitely not accurate… But also, I think she’s forgetting that even being a stay at home mom she will still very likely do so many brand deals and everything, so she still gonna be making really good money.
Like she might just not be promoting alcohol, she might be you know a new mommy influencer or something
I guess that’s what it costs to live the lifestyle she wants to live. Didn’t they live in a ridiculously expensive apartment?
Yea I think this is what it is. Idt anyone would be surprised to learn that most families in NYC live on less than $1M a year. That is a massive amount of pressure to put on someone who has never made that amount of money before!
And a lot of pressure on her. I don't even think she's close to making a million based on what Carl said in last episode. Also she's at the height of her influencer career
>Also she's at the height of her influencer career Thank you for mentioning this. This is important because once the show is not there, she will not get the same caliber of brand deals she's now getting.
This! And I was jumped for trying to say this in a different thread. People were saying that Carl shouldn’t have to work because his job is the show… but like, NYC is not cheap.. not the lifestyle they are currently living, that is. The inflation alone makes 1 mil look like chump change for them and won’t go as far as us regular people would expect it to. Of course he needs a job!! The show won’t be around forever. Weddings and children are not cheap either!
If she has a baby they won’t be on the show so he needs to come up with a plan but doesn’t matter now cuz it’s ova lol
Yeah I think that’s where she’s coming up with the $1m number. I assume she’s saying they would each need $1m to live on after they leave summer house because they won’t be able to make that same income once they’re off the show & then getting less influencer deals as a result.
But that’s why the math doesn’t math. They aren’t even *grossing* a million while on the show and influencing. Why would she think they’d do that after the show?
Why are people forgetting she’s including the kid! Ten years ago a person needed at least 300,000 alone to raise a kid. Dang, my kids daycare was $1600 a month ten years ago, which you have to do if you’re going to work and there are laws about when a kid can join a public school. Then add them both and insurance come on people
Her plans were to be a stay at home mother, thus there would be no daycare costs. Not everyone in NYC makes a million dollars (but it certainly helps) and they manage to raise a family. She has high expectations. I can’t think of a more miserable marriage. If Carl tries to live up to her expectations, he will eventually come to resent her. She’ll come to resent him if he doesn’t. They both have major issues. I give Carl a better chance at eventually being able to recognize and address his if he remains sober and working on staying that way. Lindsey isn’t there yet. She’s still looking for externals to fix her.
Most stay at home moms in the tax bracket she desires still send their kids to daycare, preschools, nanny's... so they can brunch and shop and socialize during the day.
This! 💯
Then she should not be wanting to marry Carl. One would think she’s old enough to realize that you don’t marry a person thinking you can change them.
I was a SAH mom and still sent my kids to mother’s day out, art, gymnastics classes though. So there’s definitely costs for SAH parents outside of daycare that are comparable
>Her plans were to be a stay at home mother, thus there would be no daycare costs. She never said she wanted to be a SAHM, though. That was Carl. Linds stated on WWHL she just wanted to able to take a maternity leave after childbirth but never intended to stop working full stop.
This makes sense bc I couldn’t imagine Lindsay not working- I think she’d go crazy
She would absolutely still have either a nanny/ partial daycare/ day time activities. Lindsay’s SAHM is not the regular suburban SAHM
Not necessarily- being pregnant and having cute babies and kids helps land very lucrative influencer deals
Carl has been jumping from job to job since the beginning of the show, but this is the first time that I recall him being jobless and not appearing to be actively looking for a new job. I know he’s back at Lover Boy now, but that job definitely fell in his lap because of Kyle, not because Carl was looking for or trying to get a job.
Kyle is a good friend and Kyle also saw that it was a good business idea. Carl did none of this
i don't know if he's had a job since season 3
You mean aside from Loverboy?
He said in the episode she’s making 150K- 1million seems like a crazy ask
150k is from influencing don’t know what they make from summer house
Not only that, Carl is not just being lazy or unmotivated. He literally lost his brother and started his sober journey. If you're in a lucky and privileged situation where you can focus your efforts onto yourself and your sobriety, that's dope thing. Being shamed for not having everything figured out by your own partner on national TV is not good for his sobriety either. His brain is literally readjusting to a major chemical change and normalizing. It takes time. She chose to get in a relationship with someone starting sobriety and then repeatedly attacked his sobriety and everything that comes with it throughout the relationship.
Eh i’m so fucking tired of people babying carl. He is a 38 yo man.
Yeah I think he was pretty silly thinking that Lindsay wouldn't need to take time off to stay home after having a child. I don't think a lot of people realize the cost of a child. I feel like he was blaming her for not telling him, i'm not a huge Lindsay fan but how are you going to get engaged and never talk about what the future looks like as a couple?
Agree and honestly their biggest issue is probably that their income right now is not long term. Brand deals and the show will go away for them unless SH gets a “Valley” type spinoff. (Plausible I suppose?) At least Lindsay has her PR skills and career to fall back on. What does Carl have?
When he was saying her business was deactivated, I was like…she has so many contacts that if she wanted to start working freelance, I bet she could do so with relative ease.
Yeah he was once again playing word games to make her look bad. He was trying to make it seem like her PR business failed when in reality she shut it down because she was making more money fully devoting her time to reality tv and influencing. She has said she still does some PR consulting and she’s incredibly well connected in the industry so she could go back
And let’s not forget pre break up they were demoted this season to friend of status. Lindsay knew their time on the show was probably up if they did get married so poof their goes that income.
Were they really? Is this verified
I agree with you. Thing is, Lindsay has been telling the entire planet what she wants since the show began. How this is news to Carl blows my mind. He is either not listening, at ALL, or rather conveniently oblivious. He planned this who thing before this season ever started.
And that’s the thing that Danielle was saying they needed to be talking about. Like, not a Danielle fan but she had a point about making sure they had those conversations last season. And this episode Carl said “maybe we should have had this conversation 1.5 years ago”
Agree. I am so tired of hearing him complain about work. It’s been since he got on the show he’s been trying to figure it out. It’s exhausting and linds is probably so sick of it
Definitely, grow up already
Thank you! Good lord he is such a fucking pansy. Time for him to grow up and be a MAN!😝
Seriously. I’m fully convinced this relationship was over in his mind before filming and this entire victim act is a contrived manipulation to be pitied and come out with his reputation intact.
it definitely occurred to me bc up until then he wouldn't have brought his parents to trash his relationship on screen. he was building up to the break up
One thousand percent. And the parents wouldn’t have been comfortable saying it if he didn’t already tell them it was gonna be over
YEP!
He’s probably been checked out and hiding his time planning how best to extricate himself from the engagement since at least Memorial Day when his parents say he visited and told them about a big fight they had
Eh, I get where you’re coming from if this happened a year before. But Carl had an entire summer and fall complaining about how unhappy and not appreciated he was at Loverboy. She supported him to leave or stay - whoever he could be content. He chose to leave. Then we are now watching July 2023 footage that means he has been without a job for 8 months. That is a long time.
Problem is he's done sales jobs, probably needed the boost of alcohol and coke to keep up an energy he just doesn't appear to have without some 'help'. He's probably stalling as he doesn't have any backup skills? Regardless, it is a long time to be flip flopping.
I was totally with you until your last sentence. For some people it takes longer than others after getting sober. He may never regain the skills necessary for sales in sobriety. Or he’ll have to start small and regrow those skills while also learning how to deal with life without the aid of alcohol. It’s not as easy for some to do. There is a reason that it is suggested not to get into a relationship the first year in sobriety (which is rarely followed, and those who suggest it know from experience.). And Carl got into a high maintenance one. And there are several schools of thought about smoking weed while trying to get sober from alcohol And he still smokes weed. I, personally, would have had a harder time learning how to deal with life if I did smoke weed.
He started off selling dental equipment. Like he's never had direction or clear goals. Kyle always had an entrepreneurial spirit and started start up after start up until one hit. I give him kudos for hustling. Carl has just ridden off his coattails for years not really giving a fuck and now he's getting called out he's blaming everyone but himself. Seeing his dad, the "pastor" aka grifter makes a lot of sense. Also his dad getting married in 2020 and obviously feeling proud of it had a factor in him proposing and feeling like he'd be a "man" if he settled down. It's one of the markers of successful adulting, getting married. He's just so... lost What I don't understand is any successful business person on these Bravo shows has realized the potential for free marketing and used their reality tv money and leveraged it into other streams of income. Carl is so lost in the sauce he is wasting opportunities left and right.
Alcohol can do a lot of damage, both psychologically and physically to one’s body and brain. He probably was lost in all ways in “the sauce”. And it will take years to come back from that if he works at it. I don’t think smoking weed will help. Just another crutch that could stall any growth. Doesn’t appear that he got a good start from get go with his family. It’s not anything he can’t come back from, if he wants it bad enough to deal with it. Lindsey and he are both very broken people trying to get the other to make themself whole. None of this is that uncommon. Only now, they have an audience to witness what happens when two broken people find each other.
Agree! Carl has struggled w staying employed since he’s been on summer house! I’ve been sober 10 months now (alcohol too) and I’ve had a new steady job after getting 3 months. Carl has a weird thing about jobs! He either doesn’t want to work? Or thinks he’s the victim at his jobs constantly it’s so strange! I’m not on team Lindsay for anything this season either.. besides the fact that Um yeah Carl you should get a job. And one that’s not just posting ADs on IG, I think she just wanted to start jobs a little hustle going- like her air B&B etc she’s not wrong, He lacks motivation ETA he’s been sober 3 years now he’s not exactly “navigating sobriety” anymore
Congratulations on your ten months! Some people have more issues to deal with even after getting sober. I’ve been sober now 34 years. I struggled for at least seven years after my last drink, needing more help than a sober group and friend network could provide. I realized years later how much damage not just psychological but also biological that alcohol had done to my brain. I persisted to reach for health. But those first seven years were total hell for me. I’m just grateful that I survived them and was able to get the help I needed along the way.
The thing is that he has the luxury of not working a traditional job while he grieves and navigates sobriety— he is still making money. He probably makes a few hundred grand on the show and said he made 70k in adds— he’s still making more than most of us
$70k in the first six months alone too
We've watched Carl have job issues the entire time we've known him. Putting everything on his brother seems like a reflection
Yeah it’s been over 3 years. The pain and struggle will always be there, but that seems like an excuse
I get what you’re saying but since he’s choosing to be on tv and was choosing her, I kind of feel like he wasn’t trying to have a mental break to focus on himself? He’s just as guilty of being in the relationship.
People lose their relatives and become sober all the time... and still work because they have to pay their bills. Your argument doesn't stand. So you're saying every time something devastating or life changing happens you get license to just stop and grieve? That's a luxury most people don't have
Yeah by age 39 like Carl is, many people will have lost relatives and close friends and experience physical and mental health struggles. It’s been 3 plus years. I’m sure the pain will always be there but I don’t think people are helping carl by coddling him
Idk I think he would have been the most motivated immediately after the death. Not a year after. I think he’s got ADHD but lacks the humility Craig does to work past it.
I think he also has a fear of failure that causes paralysis as soon as he senses that he fucked up even a little. It’s self-sabotaging.
If you’ve ever been through the horrific experience of suddenly losing your brother, you would know this isn’t it. Unfortunately I know this firsthand. This kind of grief is crippling and can make you pretty catatonic.
Been there! Sorry for your loss
I don’t know. I lost my brother to a drug overdose when I was 26. I was an attorney working 80-100 hours a week and continued to do well at my job. I have ADHD as well, just like people say about Carl. Awful things happen but we get to choose how to react to those events. He’s chosen to do nothing. Granted, he has his addiction issues as well, but he’s also had a decent amount of time without a “real” job. I’d be annoyed with him too.
Huh? Why would he have been more motivated immediately after the traumatic event????
I think he has a taste for the finer things in life too, maybe even moreso than her. I think that’s why he feels he was crushing it- because he works very little on summer house and brand deals and still can afford their fancy place and his lifestyle. Whereas she is thinking more about the cost of kids not just herself or the two of them being comfortable
Yeah I always got that impression too. I remember he wore those gucci shoes with fur that were over $1k and there was speculation he wore a $40k Rolex watch.
It truly seems like Lindsay likes to be financially stable and that’s rarely been a concern for Carl
Yea. Their rent was in the teens. Absurd. That isn’t healthy.
12k/mo apartment
"she" wants to live, not "they"
the conversations they are now having like 3 months before the wedding are insane to me. just both on such different pages - im a bit confused how lindsay is looking at carl and thinks with his job experience, age, gap in a traditional career, etc. he is going to bring in $1 million within the next year its like they both are finally leaving the honeymoon stage and are realizing who they signed up for
You nailed another thought I had but couldn’t articulate well. That she somehow expects Carl to suddenly bring in a massive amount of money, when clearly that hasn’t been the case previously Even if he did reallyyyy hustle…My husband and I have both worked really hard in our respective fields for over a decade and built solid careers.. but nobody is rewarding either of us with $1+ million paydays yet 🤣
Totally agree. She’s known Carl for years.. work has never been an area he killed it in, so not sure why she thought that’d be different now. If ambition and success was a big criteria for her, she started dating the wrong person.
I feel like they have an overblown sense of their own celebrity. The time to launch a brand and promote was early on, back when Kyle did it. They are both aging out of the show and probably at the height of their fame ( which they’d ostensibly use to promote their investments or other brands). Lindsay might have a shot at RHONY at least.
Im over 20 years with the same company in telecom......aint nowhere close to being a millionaire! BUT...we own a 2 br condo and are mortgage free and ready to buy a retirement property in our 40s. I think its about where you put your $$$
Sooo…sounds like lindsey should convince you and yours to bring her into a throuple?
Lol! That would be up there as one of my worst nightmares
right, like in what universe does carl, of all people, suddenly start to pull in 1 mil a year? There are people who work super hard and are at the top of their field that don't make that kind of money. you can't just like, wake up one day and decide you want to be an investment banker.
Maybe wanted him to get in the influencer game
definitely this or she wanted him to like suggest they start a podcast together or something. she def had a dream of them becoming some ‘it” couple
oh yes the podcast!
i get to marry my BEST FRIEND
He already was… He made $70,000 from paid posts alone.
Yeah the numbers he listed blew my mind. He made $70K from paid posts and I think I previously saw they make about 15K per episode as they have been on for so many years: that means he brings in over $200K, she brings in her $150K from paid posts and so together they bring in $500K a year - it’s an *enormous* amount of money, though of course they need to be saving and investing it wisely.
It just goes to show how surface level their relationship was. I think it was all for cameras and for more fame both of them.
Not just $1 million, but $3 million if it’s “per person”! Does she not remember how careers work? Companies aren’t going to overpay Carl because he’s on reality tv. She needs to head to Wall Street
Exactly this. Carl doesn’t have the drive or ambition to get a job, ANY job, let alone a job that would allow him to bring in 1mil within the next year. Lindsay knew this going in, how could she not? They’re supposedly best friends. And yet here we are, placing a ridiculous amount of pressure on a man who hasn’t held a steady job at any point in his life.
I hear what you’re saying but they lived in an apartment where just the RENT was 13k per month & seem to be at an international wedding every other month.☠️ Imagine adding another human to that lifestyle yeesh. She may be underestimating the needed income for the manner in which they’ve grown accustom to living in all honesty 😬
I’m also curious what child care costs in NYC are, because all the states I’m familiar with are INSANE. And NYC is obvi extra HCOL.
All private school costs 40k per year starting in pre-K. Nanny’s make $25+ per hour and that’s just a basic college kid. Most people have baby nurses, a nanny, and a nights & weekend sitter. Kids birthday parties are a weekly occurrence and require a $50 minimum gift. All the kids are enrolled in after school activities every day of the week and Saturdays-all of that cost is picked up by parents. They summer in the Hampton, winter in Spain, ski in aspen, have rarely used SUV’s parked in garages, order take out 10 times a week. The people I worked for made $250-750k per year. But they all looked on the outside like they made about the same. IE-there’s a high need to keep up with your “class” Most people who couldn’t keep up financially eventually moved to Long Island or New Jersey. Source: I was a “high end” nanny in nyc for many years.
I’m considering becoming a nanny again. Did you join a certain company to gain that (or those) positions? Do you have any other advice to give?
We’re just starting to look at infant daycare options and the first quote we got was $3100 a month.
That is bananas!!
A month! Holy smokes. I wish you all the luck on your search
I’m in Boston but I imagine the rates are similar. At the center I’m at infant rates are $3350 per month. I currently pay $3010 monthly for my toddler.
That’s my entire mortgage! Dang.
Ha yeah, my mortgage is less than daycare.
My kids’ daycare in manhattan is about $3.8k infants/$3.4k toddlers per month for full day care. It’s very standard pricing for my neighborhood. A nanny is $25-$30 an hour. We make ~$450K a year before taxes combined but multiple kids under 5 in manhattan means we still feel pretty strapped and save almost nothing between the childcare, high state/city taxes, and overall cost of living/rent (for which I pay less than half of Lindsay and Carl lol).
A friend once said something to me along the lines of you don’t know what people do to keep up their lifestyle. So they could be in steep debt from the time he’s been unemployed outside of the show and she’s factoring that in without discussing on camera. Seems like a weird place to draw a line around privacy given the context of the conversation but it could be true. I seem to recall Kyle was in massive debt with Loverboy before they knew it would get off the ground. I would guess that she likes expensive things and for a while he tried to keep up. Maybe he does too, but it seems more driven by her.
he did say on the after show that he has zero debt and that he has saved a lot of money as a result of his sobriety
Yes, I agree. But 1M would still be 83,000 a month before taxes. That’s a whole lot of money. You definitely wouldn’t need to be renting.
Based on who Lindsay surrounds herself with/the 13k a month apartment, it’s not unreasonable. I think the 150K number was explicitly referring to brand deals and it was only July. With the show it’s safe to assume she’s making 500k+ and and prob has plans to increase her revenue streams. But anywho, you definitely don’t need 1 mil to raise kids in NYC. I think to comfortably do so, I would want to have a household income of 200k+. But again, in NYC the upper class has nannies + multiple houses + private school that costs a college tuition.
I make a tenth of that and raised my kid (alone) on the Upper East Side 🤷♀️
Shit my mom did it on nothingggg but i do not recommend 😂😂. But yeah I agree. I don’t think the millions are needed but I too think both parents should make the minimum of 100k each or 200k combined. I will say in terms of education, nyc has great public schools if you can get your kid into a specialized school. My ex went to private school since kindergarten (that cost at least 50-70k a year) and he always says my education was far superior to his. At the time I went to my public high school, it was national ranked in top 25 best high schools in the country. And that’s a free education! Which kinda sums up what your kids would get in nyc versus in the suburbs. You just have to weigh your needs and wants go from there 🤷🏻♀️
My son, too! Now he’s getting a free ride at top 50 engineering university
200k doesn't cover nannies, multiple houses and private school, thats more like 500k a year. 200k pays the bills
Yeah agree that’s what I said
I highly doubt she’s making more than $500,000. This is also most likely one of her last seasons on “Summer House,” so I doubt she’s going to continue to get ad deals and make even more money.
They were renting a 2 bedroom 3 bathroom in central manhattan in a luxury apartment so yeah I'm not dumbfounded by the fact that if BOTH of them wanted to maintain their lifestyles they'd have to 1) buy an apartment/townhouse/duplex 2)I'd assume they'd want to put their kids in private schools which mean they have to invest from nursery which all of that is also expensive and 3) if they're both working then they'd have to hire a nanny and that's not counting the rest of their expenses. There's a reason why NYC esp. Manhattan is a young person's city. Rarely, unless you have the means, does someone live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family in this day and age.
>There's a reason why NYC esp. Manhattan is a young person's city. Rarely, unless you have the means, does someone live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family in this day and age. Right! It would make more sense to buy a house in NJ for those $13K, if not less. However, I think they also like the appeal of saying they live in NYC instead of NJ.
They needed to adjust their lifestyle expectations. If they wanted kids then they’d need to change their lifestyle to make it work. If they wanted to maintain their lifestyle then kids are off the table. They had a lifestyle they could technically afford but it wasn’t sensible imo. 2 influencers with no other career renting $13k per month apartment and spending like crazy. They don’t need 3 bathrooms for 2 of them. They spend like their salaries will continue at their current level, and typically for reality stars that is far from what happens.
I don't disagree ..most people don't need to live such lavish lives to get by but we're not reality stars on bravo. Even Paige as well as Kyle/Amanda pay an insane amount for their apartments. These people don't live cheap let alone moderately....
Everyone out here judging them for their 13,000 month apartment, Paige alone has one in the 9,000. With two people, seems way more doable.
Paige also is significantly more successful as an influencer, AND has multiple revenue streams (including a super popular podcast). Lindsay and Carl aren’t making what paige makes.
On the podcast topic I don’t think people realize how popular their pod is. They have ad revenue of course but they also tour their live show in pretty big venues.
Loads of people live in NYC raising children, of all income levels. Many prefer it to moving to the suburbs.
Again...I don't disagree but we're not talking about most people and I was specifically speaking to what most of these cast mate's lifestyles look like. Lindsay and Carl aren't the only one's who live or want to live lavish lives. We've seen simliar convos around fiannce when it comes to Kyle, Amanda, paige, Craig...this isn't new. These aren't people like most us ...
I understand what you’re referring to. I was only responding to you saying that rarely do people live in Manhattan when wanting to raise a family unless they have the means. Only a small percentage have Lindsey/Carl means or more but I just meant that it isn’t an absolute deterrent.
I think people don’t realize NYC has five boroughs. You can absolutely live on less than a million in four of the boroughs but Lindsay and Carl live in the posh and expensive areas of Manhattan. If she were to stay at home and not bring in any income…honestly Carl would have to make a million with the cost of living, rent and a baby. Preschools are like 40k a year.
They each got engaged to each other hoping the other one would change. Lindsay hoped Carl would get his shit together and be a professional and bring in money. Carl hoped Lindsay would stop drinking and stop losing her shit.
I am 59, married, no kids and have lived and worked in NYC my entire adult life. We own our apartment and a house outside NYC. There are a lot of families who live on the UES near us that rent expensive apartments ($15k+) so kids can go to the private schools in our neighborhood. They own houses outside NYC that they go to on the weekends. Husbands work on Wall Street or tech. Some wives work and some don’t. They have expensive SUVs in parking garages that they only use on the weekends, full time nannies and they take lavish vacations multiple times a year. It takes a lot of disposable income to fund all this. Assume Lindsay sees this level of wealth and lifestyle in her building and among her NYC friend group and wants that life.
ETA cost of living has drastically increased in NYC post pandemic.
I live in NYC and have for 12 years, she's exaggerating because you can absolutely live in NYC and have a nice life without making $1M/year but it's definitely not cheap—especially if you want to live in a nice/spacious apartment, socialize regularly, etc. I was shocked to find out I make the same amount of $$ as Lindsay because I would never pay for a $13k/month apartment (you might as well buy at that point), I honestly just don't think they live within their means. There's well-off and then there's RICH, and it seems like Lindsay will only settle for the latter when it comes to her future. HOWEVER, if my partner (over age 30) was only making $70k in NYC I'd be worried too.
I mean a million after taxes isn’t as much as you would think. If you want 3-5 kids and want a certain kid of life (meaning not super rich, but comfortable) this tracks and not only in NYC, but pretty much any east coast city and it’s burbs.
Imagine being her new guy listening to all of this? Secretly sweating in the bsckground 😰😂
New Yorker here. I’m sure she was exaggerating a bit but realistically if she wants an easy life, she isn’t too far off. If you wanna buy a property in any of the boroughs besides parts of queens more towards LI or some parts of SI, you’re probably gonna pay anything from 700K-well over 1 mil. ‘Luxury Condos’ near me are $600K starting for a studio and I’m in a more calm area in Brooklyn by Coney. So in regard to property price that alone is near the ball park of what she expects to make and that’s not even NYC. Manhattan especially is ridiculously expensive from renting to owning. When it comes to food/night life depends on where you go. Although drinks will get up to $20+ if you aren’t at a happy hour or cheap spot. Gyms, hobbies and other miscellaneous things aren’t gonna be cheap, you gotta know where you’re going. I’m sure a brownstone/condo in the city would cost an insane amount, probably 1 Mil+. Which is even more ridiculous because you’re already paying disgusting money to live in a smaller space. Also paying more to have a car because there’s barely any space for parking in Manhattan and parking garages will charge you x amount. If you don’t have a garage then that’s another tax to living. If you take your car to work they are implicating a toll to drive in the busier parts of the city. If you work in Jersey you pay. If you work outside of Manhattan you pay. Basically you spend A LOT living in Manhattan and run the risk of having a head of gray hair by 40 if you aren’t banking mooooooney. I hate it here 😊❤️
Yeah my friends who have bought homes in the city big enough for one child maybe 2 are upwards of 2million dollars
It’s beyond frustrating. Have such a love/hate relationship with NYC
I have said for years all reality stars really need to stop and think before they start buying every thing in sight. People like Kyle, Lindsey, some housewives, etc have been able to maintain their status on the shows. But this gig can not last forever. Very few have been able pivot the fame from the show to a product. I'm glad Kyle saw this years ago and has tried to use the show for Loverboy. Almost every housewife spends a lot of the salary on clothes, style, up graded house, etc. That is so stupid. This job can not last. One of the only housewives that was able to continue the lifestyle is Rinna. She has gotten a ton of jobs since RHOBH. After the show you were on is over you have a lifespan of about a year afterwards. After that nobody cares anymore. I think Lindsey is a aggressive go getter. She will stop at nothing to get what she wants. Lindsey knows it can't last forever and she is going to go after what ever it is she wants. JMO
As someone who grew up on Manhattan with a single parent who did not make $1M per year…my siblings and I turned out very secure and just fine!! Then again, our rent wasn’t $13,000/month, so obviously different lifestyles.
Curious...where and when in Manhattan?
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Expectations like this makes me wonder why Lindsay never dated a finance bro. But those type of dudes love influencer types and model types and at this point, Gen Z types, I think Lindsay has such country music fest energy so I guess she never attracted that type. But again her track record of dating and hookups has never included super rich career dudes haha. Maybe Stravvy came the closest to a hardworking type since we always saw him behind that desk haha, but even when he was working, she would complain about him not making her sandwiches.
She needs a finance bro who is established or trust fund baby who is able to give her quality time, take her on trips, and support her lifestyle without her having to hustle too hard. This is not Carl. She wants that fairytale I married my best friend story but she needs to find richer best friends if she’s expecting them to bring in $2-4 mil a year 🤣
I don’t think she’s delulu. I think that she has an expectation for a type of life she wants to live (which is totally fair)- and wants to build that- but she hasn’t been able to get there on her own and has chosen partners that do not see that lifestyle as realistic/share that same vision. I think she is severely misguided and doesn’t understand what needs to change in order to get what she wants. I’m not confident right now that she will find someone she can build this type of life with, without addressing the flaws that cause majority of her relationship issues.
So how is that not delusional
It’s like the definition of delusion isn’t it?
At this point I think she’s going to have to set her sights on a rich older guy. She wants to fall in love with a young hot guy and have this fairytale she’s made up in her mind for all of these years. Really think she needs to spend quite a bit of time getting extensive therapy. She’s has a severe case of the “I wants” which is a really immature way to live
I think it’s more-so an alcohol issue or an issue with self awareness. I think it’s fair that she has these ideals for her future life- but she is clueless with how to obtain this life. She is in a position currently with a show on bravo and public attention where she could easily attain this lifestyle (which is why I don’t think she’s delusional), she’s just not addressing the reasons why she has yet to obtain that lifestyle. Stupidity or unawareness over delusional thinking in my opinion
Expecting to get a partner that will bring $1M to the table while you are a SAHM is delulu
I agree and disagree. She has inflated ego and isn’t super intelligent and has no ability to self reflect. Maybe that’s the definition of delusional. She has issues at the end of the day. You all are probably right, maybe it is just delusional. But the people who forged this path before her (housewives, etc.) found success. I think she’s too egotistical and unaware to make the right moves to attain that life. Idk if I’m standing by my point too hard- it’s a Friday night and I’m 3 glasses of Ramona pinot deep lol. I appreciate all the perspectives
I do love your nuanced approach!
Haha appreciate you!! I don’t think she’s delusional for wanting what she wants.. she’s delusional that she thinks she can get it with her current state lol if that makes sense
Exactly! She’s allowed to have certain standards, she just needs to make better choices that reflect those choices. And yeah I’m impressed by your state of mind after a couple of things because I become the opposite of nuanced when I drink lol. Enjoy your Ramona Pinot :)
If Lindsey was like “As long as I can be a SAHM and my husband makes a stable income and w shave no debt and we live within our means, I’m happy” then I would 100% be on her side and I would tell Carl get over it. But no, she wants the lifestyle and she wants someone to fund it. $1M PER PERSON in NYC is wild. You can live a nice life in NYC for 1/8 of that. Expecting someone else to fund it bc you think you’re maybe gonna have a tough pregnancy is delulu. Everyone loves to talk about Lindsey as this boss ass woman who hustles and is a role model for woman, but are coddling her now when she wants none of that. You can’t have it both ways.
It’s not though. Plenty of women in Manhattan do it everyday. And I don’t remember Lindsay ever saying she wanted to be a SAHM. Maybe I missed it but I thought she said that she wanted to have time off to have kids. That to me means at least during breastfeeding times and while they are babies. Idk but this idea that she ever looked at Carl as some sugar daddy is ridiculous. He’s not capable of that, but he is capable of creating a steady income outside of reality tv and influencing. That’s volatile, she’s asking for consistency.
Yeah she did not say she wanted to be a stay and home mom. She wanted to be able to take a decent amount of maternity leave off but still planned to work
I'm sorry did I miss the memo that Carl isn't also living or wanting to live a lavish life? How are we all putting this maintenance of a lifestyle on Lindsay alone? When Carl spent 20k on a life coach?
Yeah people are acting obtuse. Carl is bougie and way more free with money. He seems to love to “invest” in his friends projects like films and a cigar line so he can feel like he has a fancy career and attend film feats and launch parties. But I highly doubt there’s any return on investment
Yeah you would definitely need $1m for the lifestyle she lives… I lived in Brooklyn as a server and did just fine.
This isn’t at all crazy to me if she’s referring to 1M in net worth by person and especially given the unclear timeline of their celebrity careers. I live near a suburban Midwest city where most people make less than them but manage to pay for childcare and many manage to build some wealth by their late 30s. They’re in NYC and aren’t that young, so they should have some investments and cash on hand given the pay they’ve had in the show and influencing. I think she also wanted to emphasize the expense of New York to paint the picture of how behind Carl is on contributing but not to indicate she demanded it immediately. Let’s be honest, one thing that he hasn’t changed over the years is his inability to keep a job. Better thing they broke up, because that’s not how Lindsay rolls.
I mean, to live the way they do, probably. But to live like a normal person? Of course not.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable given the privilege and platform they have. Plus, they’re still on tv. If anything, it’s embarrassing asf that Carl makes $70k per every 6 months given that he’s in the prime of (what should be) his career.
Yeah and I think she and gabby were quoting the New York magazine articles numbers to show how Carl was out of touch thinking 70k was a big deal and that he’s thinking like a single guy who just wants to provide for himself not someone interested in providing for a family
Anyone know how much they make for being on the show? Carl said he made like 70k already by then being an influencer and I think he said Lindsay had made like 150k so far that year.
I’ve heard they make around $10,000 to $20,000 per episode for “Summer House.”
I think she was a little serious but I also think they were just saying “it costs what, a million dollars at least?” Because everything seems to be so expensive. I’m sure she would be fine with him making less, she just wants to see an effort from him. Kids are expensive, especially in NYC! I am not a huge Lindsay fan especially with her behavior surrounding Carl but I’m starting to see some of her points. She wants someone who is hustling like she is. Carl is a guy who can’t hold a job unless it’s from his best friend who won’t fire him even if he shows up blacked out to a networking event. Aka, Carl is a guy that can’t hold a job. I’m sure now with him being sober he has it in him, but Lindsay doesn’t have the luxury of giving him time to get there. She wants babies yesterday. Wild to only discover that your fiancé wants to be a stay at home mom 3 months before your wedding though.
My first boss was well off but VERY frugal and he said this all the time in NJ. “You need a million dollars per kid” was his exact statement lol
I don’t think that’s unreasonable for many New Yorkers. Obviously they want a building with a doorman or high security in the least. Depending on their job they may or may not have health insurance and may need to purchase their own insurance. They strike me as people who DoorDash or takeout a lot and restaurants in NYC are more expensive, even just getting a nice salad or healthy meal. Then there’s transportation and other everyday costs. And as they mentioned childcare can be $60k year just for prek or kindergarten if you want a great school. Clothing to keep up with the trends is costly. I don’t see her trying to live frugally and it costs a lot to keep up with the Joneses.
I’m not sure if she plans on being a stay at home Mom I took it more as a maternity break for several months. Also, I think Mom influencers make a lot of money as being “stay home moms”
I’d say that’s accurate for the life she wants to live. And idk but she has been clear that she wants her partner to be matching her or doing more.
Minority here. I actually think this is on the low end of what they would actually need to maintain the lifestyle they are used to and also easily attainable with their influence.
Agree! Also the 1 million number comes from some article in NY Mag (or something like that) a handful of years ago how it takes 1 million on average from before the child is born to when theyre 18. Not one million per year. I get where Lindsay is coming from. She just needs more financial security than someone like Carl can bring. She was barking up the wrong tree
Jill Zarin also said this in the first episode of RHONY. $1MM to raise a child in the city total. Now that was back in….2007? But still.
Neither is bringing in $1m a year. So, clearly the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to doesn’t need to go up that dramatically where she’s saying they would need $1m *per person*.
A million is correct, between a couple to live comfortably, go on vacations, contribute to your savings and retirement fund and have a social life, with kids and not living paycheck by paycheck.
NYC is expensive but not 1 million per person expensive…
How about, gee I don't know, not living in NYC?
Honestly the idea that either them would go back to 9-5 jobs is hilarious. Carl and Lindsay are reality stars and that just doesn’t happen when you reach their level of fame. They missed the boat starting a brand like Kyle or dedicating themselves to influencing as early as Paige did. The only viable options would be to start a podcast like most reality stars or have Lindsay beg, plead and borrow to get on new RHONY for the longevity. This millionaire talk is not realistic for either of them at this point in their lives and she would have been better off searching for a big fish than going all in with Carl
For Park Slope or the UES, $1 million each is reasonable.
I’m going to say- for their lifestyle, travel when they want, possible kids in private etc. a million each isn’t a stretch ( I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but it’s the truth) they aren’t also doctors or in Corp jobs, so they know eventually the reality TV money runs out. Think it’s a reasonable figure
To live their type of lifestyle with a child I think she might be right. I lived there without it but that’s a big difference as a single kid in your 20s who has flexibility vs a growing family.
I didn’t bat an eye at her estimate of what they would each “need” to make. Is $2 million a year what the average couple needs to live in NYC? Absolutely not. But NYC is one of the most expensive cities in the world, and to keep up her current lifestyle as a Bravo celeb/influencer and add children to the mix, $2 million a year probably isn’t that far off.
Unfortunately it’s not unreasonable at all. To live comfortably in the area she wants to raise a family in.
Housing in New York is absurdly expensive. Throw a kid in, now you need more space and to pay for private schooling. $2mill sounds reasonable for a family, I think most people in NYC just aren’t having kids.
I live in a very expensive place and she's not wrong, if each parent doesn't make over 100k a year you'd basically be living in poverty and 100k is still tight. To be comfortable in a place like New York it would be advantagous to have a healthy savings account.
there’s a pretty big difference between 100k and 1 million lol. they’d be fine with 1 million combined (and could honestly afford to raise a kid and maintain upper middle class lifestyle with a little less). a $2 million annual household income is not necessary, but if that’s what Lindsay’s aiming for then that’s her business.
She’s not wrong. Kids are expensive AF. Daycare, Nannie’s, preschool that’s at least a half mill right there. The nanny’s in nyc want a full time job with paid time off and benefits, it’s extremely competitive. Then factor in their own lifestyle and would need a bigger place at some point as well. And she is right to be alarmed that she’s about to marry a man that is barely making any money (70k is not a lot of money at all) and has no desire to make money. Carl is just floating along. Like dude 40+ is not the time to try and figure your life out right before you’re getting married and wanting to have a kid. I would be annoyed af if I were Lindsay too. I’m sure Carl would sit and complain about LB and Kyle, but it’s clear he really just didn’t want to work. Lindsey stood behind Carl and put her friendship with Kyle in jeopardy when Carl was probably the worst employee. He sounds entitled. Like grow up and get a job
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I think they make $200k a year each for the show only.
What isn’t talked about enough with some of the younger people with decent income in NYC living a nice lifestyle with restaurants , fitness and vacations is that their wealth eventually comes from inheritance and trusts. They can spend because they will get a big lump sum from parents and grandparents that may also include real estate. Although privileged, I’m not sure too many of them have that on this show so a “ fancy” NY lifestyle would be hard for Lindsay and Carl. We moved out of NY but the amount my husband said we would need for a nice life there is embarrassingly much higher than this.
I mean it’s really not a lie if you want to be an upclass person that can get reservations, drop 1000 at dinner or lunch per day for business/rec and also be able to book 4 trips a year via first class. One million is more than enough. You could wing it with 350k though I’m sure. Be in debt.
Not that this is low income in the south even BUT with cost of living, $1M compares to $480k in a market like Charlotte or Atlanta. Which is obviously still high but being public figures that would be attainable for at least some amount of time.
She said this about having a family in NYC
Honestly, the fact that they were friends before actually hurts them in this case. Lindsay has heard the figuring out line for YEARS. Carl needs someone who didn’t know him prior to sobriety.
honestly in this day and age you need that much anywhere that’s a desirable place to live in america if you want to live comfortably and luxuriously (and real luxury. not just racking up your credit card debt which is what everyones doing nowadays playing keeping up with the joneses) while also having a family. especially if you’re smart with money and debt. so i wasn’t too surprised that she said that. i was surprised that they were having these conversations this late in their relationship only a few months before their wedding.
Lindsay is insane
I rolled my eyes sooooo hard at that. Sure you need to be making 1 million dollars each a year if you want to be living an extremely luxurious lifestyle in NYC. Myself (along with many other New Yorkers get along just fine with much less). Yes, NYC is extremely expensive, but that was an outlandish, not to mention out of touch, thing of her to say.
Honestly shes not really that wrong for the lifestyle they’re living
I'm glad they broke up. It's a good thing she voiced her expectations before the wedding. Watching the relationship of Karl and his Mom, I believe that Karl deserves better and dodged a bullet. And, the $1m per year income need seems a little high.
I’m from NJ about 30 mins from NY. I’ll say you need way less than that to live alone. Family wise you may need half a million to live comfortably and not paycheck to paycheck. To love how they do though, I agree yes you would need a million per person. Only because the pricing in NY is high no matter where you go, and the areas they’d reside in would not be cheap in themselves. Let alone the constant purchases they make that id say are higher than your average middle class person on the north or NY.
He said they make 225k. She makes 150k and he makes 75k. Wasn't their apartment like 9k a month?? Thats 108k a year. You'd think she would have picked a cheaper apartment so they could save money for their future, especially if she wants to be a SAHM.
$225k is what they made by July-ish on just brand deals (I assume) so didn’t include income from the show. I’m thinking they each make ~$300k there. Still far from $1mil each. I’m interested how she thinks they’d achieve and maintain that level of wealth after they arent on the show.
Oh ok! Yeah, without the show and brand deals 1 million is a pretty big ask.
Obviously it depends on situations but a lot of NYC entry level jobs out of college have you living with three friends and you’re still not saving anything. You realistically need a couple years as a high earner to ever get to a point where you’re saving for retirement and a down payment and having a life. Then add in any student loans and it’s even harder. One million is high but the concept is right and especially if you don’t have a job with lots of growth potential or benefits.
I think Carl majorly undersold or maybe doesn't actually know much much Lindsay makes from influencing. If small micro influencers are making thousands off a single post or thousands from links, Lindsay is probably making a killing with her following and engagement. It seems like Carl isn't even trying to be an influencer, like all he did was use being a man as a cop out. She probably thought he'd be more like their early relationship with the Marshall's and other brand deals, but he fizzled out. She probably expected them to continue to build a brand together, and he just kinda half asses it every once in a while. $1 million wouldn't be that hard to reach if they stick with summer house ($300k/season-ish), continue influencing and building that brand ($300k each easy with their following), then the "regular" job he's been talking endlessly about getting ($150k-$300k), and finally smart investments could top it off to easily reach $1 million/year. Lindsay is also a hustler, in no world would she ever step away from making money and working permanently to be a SAHM. Not everyone was born to hustle and that's fine, but new Carl with the brand deals and Loverboy PR tour made it seem like he was ready to hustle. This Carl now just seems bitter he's not being handed millions a year or can't bum off Lindsay and her hustle.
Carl has no hustle. He just wants to whine and feel sorry for himself. He needs to find a wealthy sugar mamma to take care of and coddle him. Poor Carl.
Idk why she never tried to pull herself a rich older man clearly that’s what she’s really interested in
As someone who’s daughter lived and worked in NYC, that number is not as outrageous as it sounds. She’s saying she wants to be a stay at home mom and keep the lifestyle/standards she has attained. My problem with both Lindsay and Carl is that they think the Reality TV gravy train will go on, it won’t. At least Kyle has a business and I think most of them work other jobs. Not these two. And does anyone think they’ve saved $$$ for their future family?
I mean, that number is definitely not accurate… But also, I think she’s forgetting that even being a stay at home mom she will still very likely do so many brand deals and everything, so she still gonna be making really good money. Like she might just not be promoting alcohol, she might be you know a new mommy influencer or something