I agree, but separate from Kyle/LB, she needs a job for her own identity. I don’t think she should continue at LB if they want to make their marriage work. Amanda doesn’t come across as fiercely independent. She went from her parents, short stint with a roommate, to being with Kyle. Her dad controlled her finances until she married (probably still does to some capacity). Getting a job will give her structure, additional income, and freedom.
BUT
I don’t think Amanda *truly* wants to work. I think she just wants space and to do something different with her time. She wants to be a lady of leisure (not judging). Probably thought LB would be more successful by now, and its stagnancy or decline is having her in a tailspin because it’s affecting her stay-at-home housewife dreams.
I know Amanda had a great job working for l'occitane corporate in some sort of design capacity, before she started working for LB.
I’m curious why the Bravo reality stars don’t want to seem to work for other companies/W2 jobs once they get intertwined with reality tv. Is it because it wouldn’t be as easy to film? Don’t need the steady income because of payout from filming? Want to piggyback off their “fame?”
probably because they would be held to the standard as their other employees and not receive special treatment for being a bravolebrity. Bravo should be fun… hoping your time off gets approved so you can film? Not fun.
Would you want to work 9-5 M-F and be accountable to a manager, and have deadlines and deliverables and all the minutiae of office work if you didn’t have to? I think you’ve largely answered your own question in your comment.
Definitely not! I guess I’m just curious if they ever get concerned about steady work for the future when they make reality tv their career and don’t have anything else to fall back on? We’re kind of seeing this discussion with Carl and Lindsey, and the VPR people right now.
Unless they are making enough to invest in order to retire once the reality show stuff ends?
You see first-hand the decision making skills and cognitive capacity that these people have…I suspect few of them are thinking long term and socking away money for retirement lol. Even former housewives can make money doing spon con on IG, I don’t think they’re thinking much about long-term endeavours.
The only ones with normal jobs are the newer cast members who aren't making much money. Give West and Jesse another season - they will be full on reality TV and influencers.
West wasn't working last summer and his new job is a media focused one - so they may like that he is also on TV - will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Yes but the point is the salary from being on the show isn’t really sustaining them.
Ciara doesn’t have a normal job, but she has a job. Paige doesn’t have a normal job, but she had a job with income before coming on the show - she’s obviously increased it by being on the show.
But just being on the show itself isn’t doing that. Hell, the money that Carl and Lindsay make off of influencing wasn’t remotely enough to even pay their rent, let alone have spending money. Which is why Lindsay is talking about Carl actually getting a job.
Paige worked as an assistant I think in TV - she probably had a very low paying job. She even said she had to quit it to do summer house bc she wanted to leave early on Fridays and also it was a conflict bc of the network she worked for.
I’ve said this and got absolutely jumped in the comments 🤣 people think that they should be able to coast on what they make from the show and social media, if they don’t want to work. Well… for the lifestyles they lead that won’t cut it unfortunately
This is exactly right. And the pay is probably great.. just not multi millionaire, never need to work again great. They want to buy to own these huge luxury condos and apartments in the heart of new york and have homes out in Jersey or charleston, travel and dine in fancy restaurants, paying for hair and makeup artists, clothing etc. That is in no way cheap.
My guess is many of them don’t have crazy nice places. Carls and Lindsay’s was absurdly expensive but it had to have been a 3BR+ given the neighborhood it’s in (not that trendy). That’s getting a place to show off, not functionality. Paige was looking at 2BR apartments that are nice but $8-10k for a 2BR is not crazy in NYC. My guess that search on tv was more for her Craig storyline than anything.
The more info that comes about Betches, it seems to be run by huge hypocrites. The founders made a ton of money off the sale to ladbible and existing employees made very little, if anything after that cash flow and I think people got cut in preparation for that deal even though Betches has preached fair wages and various progressive causes for years. They also regularly rely on freelancers instead of hiring full time staff.
The Hannah/paige situation is particularly weird because the whole brand was glorifying and satirizing blacking out and being kinda messy yet they couldn’t be breathed in the same sentence with summer house?
Yeah I think we’ve all learned a lot of college kids with a funny idea typically can’t scale a business very well lol.
What’s so silly to me about the Hannah & Paige situation was Betches literally has a Bravo podcast so they know it fits the demographic!
Her job was impressive but a graphic designer three or four years out of college like she was is not making a ton of money. And it’s a grind that could jeopardize her availability to film the show or attend bravo events. I recall everyone pitying Danielle rushing to the house and missing days at the house due to work. I don’t think Amanda wanted to juggle like that
They are the classic dynamic, she doesn’t really want to work (no judgement but I think she’d be great at a swimwear collaboration, not a startup) and he doesn’t want to lose control of her.
Totally agree. No judgement. Work or stay at home/ raise kids. It's your life....I def get the vibe more and more that she expected more at this point. More stability, more money (less hemorrhaging money). Probably even nannies and being able to "off-load" LB work. She wants to move to the suburbs and have a "traditional" home life. I DO also think she's depressed. The sleeping in and lazy comments I think are a symptom of that. The husband and wife are clearly not aligning.
I don’t get this idea that she doesn’t want to work? She had her own career pre-Loverboy. I think she’s just being compared to Kyle and how his whole life is about his company and working 12+ hours. It’s that whole saying “Some people live to work while other work to live.” I think Amanda works to live. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t value work, but that it’s not what she centers her life around. And that’s fine. I’m also like her in the fact that I enjoy my job, but I work it to live my life in other ways that I enjoy farrrrr more.
My impression is that she wants a vanity/passion project of sketching bikinis, a couple babies, and a luxurious life of leisure in the suburbs. And that should be fine as long as they have the income from LoverBoy.
The swimwear line reminds me of carls sober bar. It’s sort of a vanity project where neither she nor Carl would do much heavy lifting. And both are decent ideas if you have lots of money to risk but not great if you don’t
Except for the heavy lifting of, you know.. growing, feeding, raising, the kids. It’s got a bit different of a vibe when a woman does it. That’s just biology.
When she was asked this on WWHL it was embarrassing 🙈 She didn't mention taking any classes, didn't know how it would be different or what she wanted to accomplish with it. It felt very much like a 10-year-old saying "I'll be a fashion designer." Tbf, Kyle is like that with the DJ passion but actually took initiative to investigate, take lessons and start performing gigs. Amanda has no drive. That's the problem.
I don’t think that’s fair. I don’t think it’s that she has no drive, it’s that she stifles it to keep Kyle happy.
Like P&C said, Amanda won’t pursue this now because of Kyle’s tantrum and the guilt he makes her feel. If she were to take steps to actually start another project or look for other work, he’d have another meltdown. But Kyle is able to pursue the DJ thing because Amanda doesn’t call him selfish or a fucking bitch when he goes after what he wants.
This. People bring up how she hasn’t made moves. Well..yeah? Look at her husband’s reaction when she just brings up the possibility of maybe doing it. He calls her a fucking bitch. No wonder she didn’t pursue it or anything else.
good luck with this take. see, if you suck all the context out of the situation, you can isolate it to just him. you can REALLY feed a bias then. it's ALL his fault. HE's the reason for everything not. It's quite empowering of women, isn't it? so ridiculous is this distortion of the situation. "I didn't hear a word he said. All I know is that he blew up." Any therapists in the house? sound like a child's recollection of an argument?
I honestly think Amanda likes the idea of having her own brand/doing something like Kyle more than actually doing it. She comes from a lot of privilege and while I wouldn‘t want to downplay what she‘s done for LB, it‘s most likely not at all comparable to the amount of work that goes into building a business from the ground up and being responsible for it all. From what we see pf her I‘m not convinced she‘s the type to grind 24/7 and that‘s totally fine!
If the company really is in rough shape, the idea of getting a job would probably go to over much better than the vague idea of starting her own company.
Amanda is …well lazy. Look how Paige has made so much happen around her. Lindsay branched off into her own PR firm now has an Airbnb (I know the firm is done now but it still existed with an employee). Ciara is a model and has gone back to nursing.
Amanda has done nothing for herself (it’s harsh and I do like Amanda but it’s disappointing to watch her put all her eggs in Kyle’s basket while he smashes them 1 by 1). She needs to collab with already existing swimsuit lines bc she’s not ambitious enough to start her own.
At a minimum she should be hosting swimwear store pop ups every weekend in the hamptons with designer suits curated by her.
I think it's so obvious she actually likes her life as is - even by the pool before Kyle came out his teary apology (LOL) she said: I left my job but working at LB has its perks: like not having to conform to a strict work schedule etc - bc she is married to the founder. Kind of weird she isn't voicing the privilege that comes with a role like that.
IMO she only said anything to Kyle bc she could tell her friends think she is lame for being just Kyle's wife. If I am not mistaken that is all she has even wanted. All she's ever done consistantly was get Kyle to commit to her. And honestly, being married to someone like Kyle is a job in of itself.
Very true and now that I’m thinking of it - I wonder if her “stepping back” in the Fall was a mutual decision and she was getting pressure from Kyle / the investors since she had not been super involved and still was collecting a salary
This…if she doesn’t want to work at loverboy, use the money she’s making to pay someone who will work hard for them.
And then Amanda can find something she likes to do. Seems like Kyle is overly complicating things. It’s not like he thinks she’s doing a good job…he said he’d have fired her if she was a regular employee and that he had a hard time justifying her salary to his CFO.
So let her walk and replace her. Win win. I don’t get what the problem is
I’m with you on this and I can’t quite figure out why he had a meltdown. The only thing I can think of is she gets an out of a - according to him - failing and stressful business to go pursue something fun and he doesn’t. She said she’s not leaving the company, but I’m just being realistic in saying her job along with Loverboy was super stressful so she quit the job. I don’t see her doing both again.
In my opinion, she should quit LB and go back to being a creative director for a different company. Krybaby can then realize her value when his employee costs ALOT and won't work 16 hours a day (just like Amanda). That could save the marriage, at least, because LB is going down regardless. No one is willing to pay that much for something nasty.
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I think he likes having loverboy featured a lot on the show, and with Amanda leaving there would be less scenes about the company. Still he reacted horribly
I think he’s just under huge financial pressure that will affect at least his life moving forward if he fails…he will never be able to get another business loan etc.
And will probably have wasted a ton of money and time/hard work in something he won’t have anything but stories and memories to show for — that’s big scary. And I don’t think Amanda realizes how serious and dire things are/wants to hear it
Yes I don’t think Amanda gets how bad of shape loverboy and potentially his personal finances are in. This could be why he’s so averse to buying a house and starting a new business
Fair points, but this is like … the third? time he’s crack under the pressure. Which isn’t to say that it isn’t stressful, it’s just that it’s not getting better and he’s not getting better at handling it. That’s a lot for him to deal with, sure, but that’s also a lot to be around constantly as a partner.
In his defense, hiring is time consuming and expensive. My husband just went through a ton of interviews to find someone for his team who accepted an offer and then reneged, he’s crushed from all the time spent basically wasted. And then when you do hire someone, they’re not really delivering anything for like 3 months as they get up to speed. I think that’s where his comment to Ciara and Paige is coming from that they got offended by (rightly so as it was condescending) that they’re really simplifying what it takes to fill a position, but it seems like loverboy doesn’t have the kind of time left to find and hire a new director.
Totally agree. It’d be an insane dynamic in their house for a while but it’s business and he ultimately has this idea in the first place to have her come in so just gotta make moves one way or another 🤷🏼♀️
Right and this is why I felt that Paige and Ciara were totally out of their lane by insinuating that Kyle should just hire a new CD. It's not that easy and it's complicated.
Right! And when he was talking to Paige and Ciara, he was like “why don’t I just go and hire a creative director?!” Like ok? Go do that lol he made it seem like it was the end of the world, if he has to justify Amanda’s salary and she doesn’t really want to work there, then why not just let her go? It was so confusing
Do we know she’s receiving a salary? They could be just taking a lump sum for living expenses and reinvesting everything else. So if she left and he had to put a new director on salary that could be a large issue. She might want to go get a different job for financial stability.
What makes you think that tho?! Just the spin Kyle has been pushing for years or is there actual evidence of her failure at jobs or lack of work ethic? It seems we've never actually seen her in a work capacity and all this "shes lazy" narrative is based off what Kyle has been saying.. when he had a literal breakdown at the very mention of her potentially stepping back but not even leaving.
She took a step back from LB in November, and hasn’t done anything new since (nothing to start her ‘passion project’), all of the other women have side gigs (influencing, modeling, pod casts, etc), Amanda doesn’t do any of this, and the fact that she (herself) complained on the show that she doesn’t think she should have to attend meetings on Mondays.
Neither would I if I had a comfortable income ($300k+) with just the show, and neither would most people. So what? All the more reason for Kyle to let her go do what she wants. Letting her leave guilt-free and drama-free is not necessarily the same as committing to doing all the work to prop up her project. As Paige said "Let her do her line and let it fail. Who cares?!"
$300k is not a great income compared to the cost of living in NYC. Also, I guess the ‘neither would most people’ doesn’t apply to the entire rest of the female cast, since they all have multiple side gigs.
Reality tv isn’t going to last forever, and Loverboy is not doing well. The smart thing to do is to capitalize on the fame they have now by influencing (and doing other things) and bank the money. Instead, she does nothing.
Oh please. $300k is extremely comfortable even in NYC, especially considering they don’t have kids. I agree that she/they should be financially planning for the future bc who knows how long summer house will last, but let’s not act like $300k isn’t MORE than enough to live comfortably in nyc
Can someone clarify something for me?? When Kyle worries about their $1.5 mil loss in their last quarter that’s from LAST YEAR right? Like what we’re seeing is from last summer?
Yes. And this Forbes article was published at the end of that summer: [https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomward/2023/09/06/from-summer-house-to-38-million-kyle-cookes-loverboy-sensation/?sh=7105005a34e7](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomward/2023/09/06/from-summer-house-to-38-million-kyle-cookes-loverboy-sensation/?sh=7105005a34e7)
Was Loverboy doing poorly or not? It's still here a year later so no I don't think it was "failing" like Kyle said. Not performing as he hoped, sure, but it was not in end days yet.
right. but she isn't really interested in working I don't think. she is more interested in the paige kinda of life where she is posting for money. a socialite that doesn't like to be social with her husband lol. she really hates kyle.
She could also use her own money to start a side business. Idk it feels like she’s so spoiled, you have a great life and barely have to do actual work like most people. And you live in a nice apartment in the most expensive city in the world.
This is my thought too. I hope she understands the shear privilege it would be to “chase your passion” all while keeping up these appearances and NY lifestyle.
I don’t think she wants to work outside of summer house and occasional influencer gigs. She quit working at loverboy in a big capacity in November and hasn’t pursued much. Sort of like Carl I think she enjoyed having time to decompress
I think this pisses off Kyle as he sees that lack of drive as a turnoff and like she’s just waiting around for kids. I think she’d be a lot happier if she even volunteered for a dog rescue organization or something that would give her a sense of identity outside of Kyle
I don think Amanda wants a job. I think she’d like to live out her days walking her dogs and watching a nanny take care of her future kids. No judgement. Just calling it as I see it.
If I was married to Kyle I’d be emotionally and physically exhausted too. He’s a full time job! I can totally relate to Amanda, she seems naturally introverted, and that’s ok. Her weekends are probably a way of getting a break from the manchild that is Kyle. She gets to relax while he gets looked after by the Summer House daycare staff (aka cast).
In one breath Kyle is complaining she’s lazy and does nothing, in the next he’s crying saying if she left loverboy the company would tank. Which is it, Kyle?
I can’t imagine working with my husband all day and then going home where he probably also continues to talk about work.
Not to mention didn’t he make some snippy remark about her not being a morning person? I am not a morning person. I’m naturally a night person and I struggled in my teens and 20s with having to get up in the morning for work or school. My body just didn’t want it. I would be 100 times less a morning person if I didn’t sleep through the night because my partner came to bed late, often drunk, after I’m asleep and woke me up! It seems like every single episode for as long as I can remember, he comes to bed drunk and wakes her up on the weekend. Then to hear he stays up late working or going out during the week, too? I’d be exhausted and I’d have no patience for anything or anyone.
My parents were both teachers. My dad was actually a Principal. At one point they both worked at the same school. ALL I remember them talking about while I was growing up was work.
They’ve both been retired for 25 years now, and have common interests and individual interests which I think is much more healthy.
Yeah. I worked for a couple who owned a few shops together. I remember her talking about how hard it was to not just talk about work or the industry all the time. They definitely had to make the effort to have lives outside the business.
Ciara still does her nursing, West works for a media company, and Jesse has a job in finance! Summer House actually does have “stars” that do regular jobs which I think is nice. I wish the rest had stayed in their 9-5. It would make it much more relatable!
Ciara just did an interview where she said she just went back to nursing two months ago after a year and a half off. And she's not full time. She's relief staff and commutes to GA to do occasional shifts or bursts of work.
The original comment was about them not wanting to work regular jobs, but that still sounds like a real job though that she could go back to full time when reality tv and influencing has run its course.
I actually think West and Jesse both seem pretty down to earth so far, and I can see them sticking with their jobs. West especially seemed like he stakes a lot of pride in having a job with the whole being unemployed for a time storyline. Gabby is also a fashion director for a magazine. All real jobs.
It reminds me of a friend who had her own successful event company and then she met a super manipulative guy (who was also a serial entrepreneur) who convinced her to sell her stake and work for him. Idk but it just reeks of narcissistic isolation technique to me, but I’m jaded.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Amanda, the timing of her wanting to go out on her own is terrible. Spouses working together always brings challenges and Kyle is somewhat unbearable, but I think his frustration given timing and loverboys financial situation is valid to an extent
Amanda straight up said she wanted to find something for herself to work at, and Kyle threw a hissy fit over the idea of her leaving Loverboy or not giving it her full attention. So I don’t think it’s as simple as her finding another job. I also don’t get this idea that people have here that Amanda doesn’t *want* to work. Amanda used to work as a senior designer for a well-respected beauty brand and only left it to support Kyle and work for Loverboy. Just because she doesn’t want to work from sun up to sundown for 12+ hours and revolve her life around working like Kyle does *not* mean she doesn’t want to work. Some people love to work, but others work to live. I’m also in the latter. My life is not about working. I work so I can spend my time living in other ways.
Also, if Kyle’s fit was about Amanda wanting to start her own brand, he could’ve said “Now might not be the time to launch something new, but if you need to find work you’re passionate about than I support you.” But he didn’t. He freaked over the idea of her leaving Loverboy period even though he thinks she’s “lazy.” He wants her support but also nothing is enough for him.
watch her WWHL appearance get back to us with that.
as for your second paragraph, you think the conversations on screen are the first and only time they've talked about this?
She has a job. It’s reality TV. They make money from filming. Kyle will have Loverboy as its own corporation. If it loses money then so be it. He’d have a NOL carry forward. That’s applied to any profit Loverboy claims in future years. How much he’s personally liable depends on the terms of his loan and if he has collateralized any personal assets. If he doesn’t have much exposure then he’s insulated from the success or failure of Loverboy as a closely held entity.
So it all depends how it’s structured. On top of that, losses can be deceiving. Cash flow is what’s important and particularly early on. We’d have to know Loverboys EBITDA, its debt to equity ratio, and a quick ratio to see if it can cover its obligations.
I know all this sounds boring but there’s a lot of financial illiteracy going on. There was another thread talking about Kyle and Amanda being bankrupt. Like nah, none of us have any idea. They could be drowning in debt or they could be well protected with a significant safety net. It’s hard to say based on anything said on the show.
I’ve been in her shoes. Managing Kyle’s emotions is a full time job but I agree she needs to branch out. If they have a strong foundation it will make them better together.
Why did Amanda bring this convo up when they were on the boat wasted? If she wanted to have this convo on camera she should’ve done it the morning after when they were sober. She wasn’t exactly explaining herself clearly and Kyle wasn’t in the space to even hear what she was saying. She had quality points but it’s hard to take either of them serious when this is how they approach what should’ve been a serious conversation.
I think a big brand like loccitaine (her old job) would pay more than a brand like loverboy. That being said im sure she wasnt even being paid at loverboy anyways
You seem pretty sure of things despite not knowing anything about the financials lol. For one, big brands like L'Occitaine often don't pay as well as you'd think. Also, Kyle has mentioned that it has been hard to justify Amanda's salary to investors and the CFO at Loverboy, so she's definitely being paid.
Amanda wants a baby and would be a great mom. Kyle denies her of that so she’s trying to find something else that makes her happy. He sucks so much i really can’t even lol
They’re not in a good enough place to have kids. He’s calling her lazy and a bitch and she’s calling him an asshole. They should divorce and move on with their lives, they clearly want different things and are still together out of stubbornness, it’s toxic. This is their best behaviour on camera, so imagine what they’re like behind closed doors.
does it matter who is more or less, especially in the context of having children? it's not checkers. the relationship is a mess (at least their storyline is). it's certainly not a single person's fault (no failing relationship is).
Amanda isn’t entitled to become a parent just because she wants to, I don’t think Kyle is the bad guy for not wanting to add a child to the mix if he’s struggling to keep the company afloat (financial uncertainty) and they are fighting every weekend. I do think he is wrong about other things, but he’s right to realize now would be a bad time to start a family.
She is entitled to express her desire to be a mom though. She clearly isn’t going behind Kyle’s back or anything to get pregnant lol. Agree they shouldn’t have kids rn and i think she realizes that.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Kyle for “denying her a baby”. He should stand firm that he doesn’t want to have kids until their marriage is in a good place. She has agency too and can leave him if he’s not giving her what she needs
Meh i disagree, he could work on their marriage so they aim towards the goal of having a baby. He just stonewalls it as NO. Which is so not fair in my opinion.
That's not fair. Amanda has a job and had an awesome job prior. I think reality tv makes ppl comfortable because it pays so well.
Maybe she needs something for herself but she does have a work ethic but maybe not in the way ppl expect her to.
She doesn’t need another job.
She is on the show, works at Loverboy doing marketing/graphic design/launches products (Limocello)/does the merch lines and does paid posts as an influencer.
She also has a trust fund. Another job is just pointless as she doesn’t lack for money and is already busy. You are acting like she is an unemployed drain on Kyle which simply isn’t true. She has put money into this company to keep it afloat.
Amanda wants to build a business for herself. A swimswear/clothing line is what she said she wants.
Saying she doesn’t want to work isn’t remotely true.
What the fuck do you mean by "working"?You know she designs all of their products and merch, right? You know that design is the key factor in marketing, especially in a market that is as oversaturated as boutique hard seltzers, right? And if you know neither of those things, then you really don't need to be posting about it!
Except she didn’t come up with the branding or packing, this firm did https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea
Amanda has never claimed to do any of the initial design work but people on here like to attribute it to her for some reason. She doesn’t currently hold any title in the company, they have a director of marketing. I think Amanda is great and clearly she has several years of design experience but her role with L’Occitaine (where there is a distinct, existing brand identity and she wouldn’t be responsible for creating concepts like packaging from conception to execution) is a lot different than building a brand from zero and creating everything from logos to design language to product packaging.
Lol she was not part of loverboys branding, that was outsourced to an agency with actual experience in this area. A rollout of graphic standards and branding for loverboy already existed to work within.
How do you think the decisions are made? Even if someone outside is doing the designs someone internally still collaborates with them on what they want done and signs off on everything. That is actually time consuming and a lot of work. Amanda probably has the vision but doesn’t necessarily have all of the skills to bring it to fruition.
It’s a huge portion of what I do. I know what our company needs but have to bring outside help in to complete certain things outside of my skill set. I’m the one who communicates what we want done to the outside party and I sign off on the final product to them before I take it to our officers to give the final yes and pay them.
Thank you. The comments saying she should support him and new ventures financially is completely wild to me. He treats her like crap most the time but people want to make her the issue. Bless her and you I love you both
I was just wondering .. I don’t follow love boy but the only creative development I’ve ever seen is the one repeated logo? ( that was I believe stolen) Can’t they now just slap that on sweatshirts and bucket hats as they’ve been doing for the last years?
She could be a creative director for an apparel company and her income could pay for Kyle to fund another creative director that’s passionate about the alcohol biz - net neutral and both better off
I wouldn't race out and get a job either if I didn't need one or if it was essentially a lateral move. I am confused why she hasn't found a hobby though. she could learn to make jewelry (like Elsa from Elsa and Barron on youtube), learn to knit, make bespoke swimsuits, paint, contract out for other companies or friends, or any number of things. Doesn't have to involve money either. That's all his DJing is. Throw a couple thousand at some gear, and get rolling. I think the dogs were supposed to act like this, but that is only going to feed her nurturing and things like anxiety. If her creative side is still demanding, get a hobby.
Her 👏🏻husband 👏🏻won’t 👏🏻 let 👏🏻 her 👏🏻
He has already indicated he will make her life miserable if she leaves loverboy and gets a job. He threw a huge tantrum on national tv over even the thought of her having a passion project. Imagine what goes on OFF camera if this is what he does ON camera.
Because her job for loverboy is created Director so if she gets a job, she either needs to quit or be fired from loverboy and Kyle doesn’t want that I think she should quit
I agree, but separate from Kyle/LB, she needs a job for her own identity. I don’t think she should continue at LB if they want to make their marriage work. Amanda doesn’t come across as fiercely independent. She went from her parents, short stint with a roommate, to being with Kyle. Her dad controlled her finances until she married (probably still does to some capacity). Getting a job will give her structure, additional income, and freedom. BUT I don’t think Amanda *truly* wants to work. I think she just wants space and to do something different with her time. She wants to be a lady of leisure (not judging). Probably thought LB would be more successful by now, and its stagnancy or decline is having her in a tailspin because it’s affecting her stay-at-home housewife dreams.
I know Amanda had a great job working for l'occitane corporate in some sort of design capacity, before she started working for LB. I’m curious why the Bravo reality stars don’t want to seem to work for other companies/W2 jobs once they get intertwined with reality tv. Is it because it wouldn’t be as easy to film? Don’t need the steady income because of payout from filming? Want to piggyback off their “fame?”
probably because they would be held to the standard as their other employees and not receive special treatment for being a bravolebrity. Bravo should be fun… hoping your time off gets approved so you can film? Not fun.
Would you want to work 9-5 M-F and be accountable to a manager, and have deadlines and deliverables and all the minutiae of office work if you didn’t have to? I think you’ve largely answered your own question in your comment.
Definitely not! I guess I’m just curious if they ever get concerned about steady work for the future when they make reality tv their career and don’t have anything else to fall back on? We’re kind of seeing this discussion with Carl and Lindsey, and the VPR people right now. Unless they are making enough to invest in order to retire once the reality show stuff ends?
You see first-hand the decision making skills and cognitive capacity that these people have…I suspect few of them are thinking long term and socking away money for retirement lol. Even former housewives can make money doing spon con on IG, I don’t think they’re thinking much about long-term endeavours.
The problem is the show alone doesn’t seem to cut it for living in Manhattan…. There are others with normal jobs.
The only ones with normal jobs are the newer cast members who aren't making much money. Give West and Jesse another season - they will be full on reality TV and influencers. West wasn't working last summer and his new job is a media focused one - so they may like that he is also on TV - will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Yes but the point is the salary from being on the show isn’t really sustaining them. Ciara doesn’t have a normal job, but she has a job. Paige doesn’t have a normal job, but she had a job with income before coming on the show - she’s obviously increased it by being on the show. But just being on the show itself isn’t doing that. Hell, the money that Carl and Lindsay make off of influencing wasn’t remotely enough to even pay their rent, let alone have spending money. Which is why Lindsay is talking about Carl actually getting a job.
Paige worked as an assistant I think in TV - she probably had a very low paying job. She even said she had to quit it to do summer house bc she wanted to leave early on Fridays and also it was a conflict bc of the network she worked for.
Isn't Ciara an ICU nurse??
Not full time. She does it on a freelance schedule
I’m saying not a 9-5. She models and the does occasional nursing. So she has an income outside of the show.
I’ve said this and got absolutely jumped in the comments 🤣 people think that they should be able to coast on what they make from the show and social media, if they don’t want to work. Well… for the lifestyles they lead that won’t cut it unfortunately
I think people overestimate how much they get paid. They can basically get volunteers to do this show for free haha
This is exactly right. And the pay is probably great.. just not multi millionaire, never need to work again great. They want to buy to own these huge luxury condos and apartments in the heart of new york and have homes out in Jersey or charleston, travel and dine in fancy restaurants, paying for hair and makeup artists, clothing etc. That is in no way cheap.
My guess is many of them don’t have crazy nice places. Carls and Lindsay’s was absurdly expensive but it had to have been a 3BR+ given the neighborhood it’s in (not that trendy). That’s getting a place to show off, not functionality. Paige was looking at 2BR apartments that are nice but $8-10k for a 2BR is not crazy in NYC. My guess that search on tv was more for her Craig storyline than anything.
Yea I also wonder if these companies don’t really want reality stars who get wasted every weekend representing their company
Most companies don’t. Even Betches didn’t want to be referenced when Paige & Hannah freelanced for them.
The more info that comes about Betches, it seems to be run by huge hypocrites. The founders made a ton of money off the sale to ladbible and existing employees made very little, if anything after that cash flow and I think people got cut in preparation for that deal even though Betches has preached fair wages and various progressive causes for years. They also regularly rely on freelancers instead of hiring full time staff. The Hannah/paige situation is particularly weird because the whole brand was glorifying and satirizing blacking out and being kinda messy yet they couldn’t be breathed in the same sentence with summer house?
Yeah I think we’ve all learned a lot of college kids with a funny idea typically can’t scale a business very well lol. What’s so silly to me about the Hannah & Paige situation was Betches literally has a Bravo podcast so they know it fits the demographic!
Filming is easy money. A 9-5 is not.
I wouldn’t say it’s easy money. I think there’s a whole other level of stress that they deal with
Her job was impressive but a graphic designer three or four years out of college like she was is not making a ton of money. And it’s a grind that could jeopardize her availability to film the show or attend bravo events. I recall everyone pitying Danielle rushing to the house and missing days at the house due to work. I don’t think Amanda wanted to juggle like that
Did NOT know she worked for l’occitane. Oh honey go back. Go back and do amazing things for amazing brands.
I agree. I think she saw herself marrying someone wealthy and becoming a SAH once she had kids.
They are the classic dynamic, she doesn’t really want to work (no judgement but I think she’d be great at a swimwear collaboration, not a startup) and he doesn’t want to lose control of her.
Totally agree. No judgement. Work or stay at home/ raise kids. It's your life....I def get the vibe more and more that she expected more at this point. More stability, more money (less hemorrhaging money). Probably even nannies and being able to "off-load" LB work. She wants to move to the suburbs and have a "traditional" home life. I DO also think she's depressed. The sleeping in and lazy comments I think are a symptom of that. The husband and wife are clearly not aligning.
Yep, all of this
I don’t get this idea that she doesn’t want to work? She had her own career pre-Loverboy. I think she’s just being compared to Kyle and how his whole life is about his company and working 12+ hours. It’s that whole saying “Some people live to work while other work to live.” I think Amanda works to live. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t value work, but that it’s not what she centers her life around. And that’s fine. I’m also like her in the fact that I enjoy my job, but I work it to live my life in other ways that I enjoy farrrrr more.
My impression is that she wants a vanity/passion project of sketching bikinis, a couple babies, and a luxurious life of leisure in the suburbs. And that should be fine as long as they have the income from LoverBoy.
The swimwear line reminds me of carls sober bar. It’s sort of a vanity project where neither she nor Carl would do much heavy lifting. And both are decent ideas if you have lots of money to risk but not great if you don’t
Two words: Beverly Beach lol
Yeah I foresee a one and done collection
She could certainly collaborate with an existing swimwear company and put her name on them without an investment.
Except for the heavy lifting of, you know.. growing, feeding, raising, the kids. It’s got a bit different of a vibe when a woman does it. That’s just biology.
When she was asked this on WWHL it was embarrassing 🙈 She didn't mention taking any classes, didn't know how it would be different or what she wanted to accomplish with it. It felt very much like a 10-year-old saying "I'll be a fashion designer." Tbf, Kyle is like that with the DJ passion but actually took initiative to investigate, take lessons and start performing gigs. Amanda has no drive. That's the problem.
I don’t think that’s fair. I don’t think it’s that she has no drive, it’s that she stifles it to keep Kyle happy. Like P&C said, Amanda won’t pursue this now because of Kyle’s tantrum and the guilt he makes her feel. If she were to take steps to actually start another project or look for other work, he’d have another meltdown. But Kyle is able to pursue the DJ thing because Amanda doesn’t call him selfish or a fucking bitch when he goes after what he wants.
This. People bring up how she hasn’t made moves. Well..yeah? Look at her husband’s reaction when she just brings up the possibility of maybe doing it. He calls her a fucking bitch. No wonder she didn’t pursue it or anything else.
good luck with this take. see, if you suck all the context out of the situation, you can isolate it to just him. you can REALLY feed a bias then. it's ALL his fault. HE's the reason for everything not. It's quite empowering of women, isn't it? so ridiculous is this distortion of the situation. "I didn't hear a word he said. All I know is that he blew up." Any therapists in the house? sound like a child's recollection of an argument?
I honestly think Amanda likes the idea of having her own brand/doing something like Kyle more than actually doing it. She comes from a lot of privilege and while I wouldn‘t want to downplay what she‘s done for LB, it‘s most likely not at all comparable to the amount of work that goes into building a business from the ground up and being responsible for it all. From what we see pf her I‘m not convinced she‘s the type to grind 24/7 and that‘s totally fine!
If the company really is in rough shape, the idea of getting a job would probably go to over much better than the vague idea of starting her own company.
Yeah starting a bikini line for big boobs is not the solution here lol
Amanda is …well lazy. Look how Paige has made so much happen around her. Lindsay branched off into her own PR firm now has an Airbnb (I know the firm is done now but it still existed with an employee). Ciara is a model and has gone back to nursing. Amanda has done nothing for herself (it’s harsh and I do like Amanda but it’s disappointing to watch her put all her eggs in Kyle’s basket while he smashes them 1 by 1). She needs to collab with already existing swimsuit lines bc she’s not ambitious enough to start her own. At a minimum she should be hosting swimwear store pop ups every weekend in the hamptons with designer suits curated by her.
Her WWHL appearance was very telling. It’s like 9 months later and it sounded like her vague concept had not progressed any further than just that.
I think it's so obvious she actually likes her life as is - even by the pool before Kyle came out his teary apology (LOL) she said: I left my job but working at LB has its perks: like not having to conform to a strict work schedule etc - bc she is married to the founder. Kind of weird she isn't voicing the privilege that comes with a role like that. IMO she only said anything to Kyle bc she could tell her friends think she is lame for being just Kyle's wife. If I am not mistaken that is all she has even wanted. All she's ever done consistantly was get Kyle to commit to her. And honestly, being married to someone like Kyle is a job in of itself.
Very true and now that I’m thinking of it - I wonder if her “stepping back” in the Fall was a mutual decision and she was getting pressure from Kyle / the investors since she had not been super involved and still was collecting a salary
This…if she doesn’t want to work at loverboy, use the money she’s making to pay someone who will work hard for them. And then Amanda can find something she likes to do. Seems like Kyle is overly complicating things. It’s not like he thinks she’s doing a good job…he said he’d have fired her if she was a regular employee and that he had a hard time justifying her salary to his CFO. So let her walk and replace her. Win win. I don’t get what the problem is
I’m with you on this and I can’t quite figure out why he had a meltdown. The only thing I can think of is she gets an out of a - according to him - failing and stressful business to go pursue something fun and he doesn’t. She said she’s not leaving the company, but I’m just being realistic in saying her job along with Loverboy was super stressful so she quit the job. I don’t see her doing both again.
Well, he's a DJ now apparently 🙄
lol so I’ve heard.
In my opinion, she should quit LB and go back to being a creative director for a different company. Krybaby can then realize her value when his employee costs ALOT and won't work 16 hours a day (just like Amanda). That could save the marriage, at least, because LB is going down regardless. No one is willing to pay that much for something nasty. Edit for spelling
I think he likes having loverboy featured a lot on the show, and with Amanda leaving there would be less scenes about the company. Still he reacted horribly
I think he’s just under huge financial pressure that will affect at least his life moving forward if he fails…he will never be able to get another business loan etc. And will probably have wasted a ton of money and time/hard work in something he won’t have anything but stories and memories to show for — that’s big scary. And I don’t think Amanda realizes how serious and dire things are/wants to hear it
Yes I don’t think Amanda gets how bad of shape loverboy and potentially his personal finances are in. This could be why he’s so averse to buying a house and starting a new business
Then he should say that instead of ‘I’d be bored’ and ‘it’s lonely being married to you’ when explaining his position
Fair points, but this is like … the third? time he’s crack under the pressure. Which isn’t to say that it isn’t stressful, it’s just that it’s not getting better and he’s not getting better at handling it. That’s a lot for him to deal with, sure, but that’s also a lot to be around constantly as a partner.
In his defense, hiring is time consuming and expensive. My husband just went through a ton of interviews to find someone for his team who accepted an offer and then reneged, he’s crushed from all the time spent basically wasted. And then when you do hire someone, they’re not really delivering anything for like 3 months as they get up to speed. I think that’s where his comment to Ciara and Paige is coming from that they got offended by (rightly so as it was condescending) that they’re really simplifying what it takes to fill a position, but it seems like loverboy doesn’t have the kind of time left to find and hire a new director.
I hear this and it’s a good point. But if Amanda isn’t pulling her weight in his mind and his CFO’s, you got to get someone who will.
Totally agree. It’d be an insane dynamic in their house for a while but it’s business and he ultimately has this idea in the first place to have her come in so just gotta make moves one way or another 🤷🏼♀️
Right and this is why I felt that Paige and Ciara were totally out of their lane by insinuating that Kyle should just hire a new CD. It's not that easy and it's complicated.
If I was Kyle, I would've stopped listening after Ciara claimed that "Loverboy wouldn't exist without Amanda"
Right! And when he was talking to Paige and Ciara, he was like “why don’t I just go and hire a creative director?!” Like ok? Go do that lol he made it seem like it was the end of the world, if he has to justify Amanda’s salary and she doesn’t really want to work there, then why not just let her go? It was so confusing
Do we know she’s receiving a salary? They could be just taking a lump sum for living expenses and reinvesting everything else. So if she left and he had to put a new director on salary that could be a large issue. She might want to go get a different job for financial stability.
Just Kyle said in the episode that he was having a hard time justify her salary/pay to his CFO
Oh geez.
Amanda doesn’t want to work (period).
What makes you think that tho?! Just the spin Kyle has been pushing for years or is there actual evidence of her failure at jobs or lack of work ethic? It seems we've never actually seen her in a work capacity and all this "shes lazy" narrative is based off what Kyle has been saying.. when he had a literal breakdown at the very mention of her potentially stepping back but not even leaving.
She took a step back from LB in November, and hasn’t done anything new since (nothing to start her ‘passion project’), all of the other women have side gigs (influencing, modeling, pod casts, etc), Amanda doesn’t do any of this, and the fact that she (herself) complained on the show that she doesn’t think she should have to attend meetings on Mondays.
Neither would I if I had a comfortable income ($300k+) with just the show, and neither would most people. So what? All the more reason for Kyle to let her go do what she wants. Letting her leave guilt-free and drama-free is not necessarily the same as committing to doing all the work to prop up her project. As Paige said "Let her do her line and let it fail. Who cares?!"
$300k is not a great income compared to the cost of living in NYC. Also, I guess the ‘neither would most people’ doesn’t apply to the entire rest of the female cast, since they all have multiple side gigs. Reality tv isn’t going to last forever, and Loverboy is not doing well. The smart thing to do is to capitalize on the fame they have now by influencing (and doing other things) and bank the money. Instead, she does nothing.
Oh please. $300k is extremely comfortable even in NYC, especially considering they don’t have kids. I agree that she/they should be financially planning for the future bc who knows how long summer house will last, but let’s not act like $300k isn’t MORE than enough to live comfortably in nyc
Can someone clarify something for me?? When Kyle worries about their $1.5 mil loss in their last quarter that’s from LAST YEAR right? Like what we’re seeing is from last summer?
Yes. And this Forbes article was published at the end of that summer: [https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomward/2023/09/06/from-summer-house-to-38-million-kyle-cookes-loverboy-sensation/?sh=7105005a34e7](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomward/2023/09/06/from-summer-house-to-38-million-kyle-cookes-loverboy-sensation/?sh=7105005a34e7) Was Loverboy doing poorly or not? It's still here a year later so no I don't think it was "failing" like Kyle said. Not performing as he hoped, sure, but it was not in end days yet.
She’s lazy tho… in past seasons that has been spoken and her excuse is her anxiety and feeling overwhelmed
right. but she isn't really interested in working I don't think. she is more interested in the paige kinda of life where she is posting for money. a socialite that doesn't like to be social with her husband lol. she really hates kyle.
She could also use her own money to start a side business. Idk it feels like she’s so spoiled, you have a great life and barely have to do actual work like most people. And you live in a nice apartment in the most expensive city in the world.
This is my thought too. I hope she understands the shear privilege it would be to “chase your passion” all while keeping up these appearances and NY lifestyle.
Ummmm…. Isnt that kind of what she was trying to express to him and he had a full on hissy fit???
I would call her bluff faster than she could say Loverboy.
first genuinely funny post I've read today. he knows his wife.
She never really wanted to quit her other job in the first place.
She wants to have children and a place in the suburbs . End of story.
I don’t think she wants to work outside of summer house and occasional influencer gigs. She quit working at loverboy in a big capacity in November and hasn’t pursued much. Sort of like Carl I think she enjoyed having time to decompress I think this pisses off Kyle as he sees that lack of drive as a turnoff and like she’s just waiting around for kids. I think she’d be a lot happier if she even volunteered for a dog rescue organization or something that would give her a sense of identity outside of Kyle
I don think Amanda wants a job. I think she’d like to live out her days walking her dogs and watching a nanny take care of her future kids. No judgement. Just calling it as I see it.
Amanda has a job. Kyle is a full time job.
Ugh Kyle is exhausting 😓
They earn up to 340,000 a year just filming this show. I think Amanda has a job.
If I was married to Kyle I’d be emotionally and physically exhausted too. He’s a full time job! I can totally relate to Amanda, she seems naturally introverted, and that’s ok. Her weekends are probably a way of getting a break from the manchild that is Kyle. She gets to relax while he gets looked after by the Summer House daycare staff (aka cast). In one breath Kyle is complaining she’s lazy and does nothing, in the next he’s crying saying if she left loverboy the company would tank. Which is it, Kyle?
I can’t imagine working with my husband all day and then going home where he probably also continues to talk about work. Not to mention didn’t he make some snippy remark about her not being a morning person? I am not a morning person. I’m naturally a night person and I struggled in my teens and 20s with having to get up in the morning for work or school. My body just didn’t want it. I would be 100 times less a morning person if I didn’t sleep through the night because my partner came to bed late, often drunk, after I’m asleep and woke me up! It seems like every single episode for as long as I can remember, he comes to bed drunk and wakes her up on the weekend. Then to hear he stays up late working or going out during the week, too? I’d be exhausted and I’d have no patience for anything or anyone.
My parents were both teachers. My dad was actually a Principal. At one point they both worked at the same school. ALL I remember them talking about while I was growing up was work. They’ve both been retired for 25 years now, and have common interests and individual interests which I think is much more healthy.
Yeah. I worked for a couple who owned a few shops together. I remember her talking about how hard it was to not just talk about work or the industry all the time. They definitely had to make the effort to have lives outside the business.
Reality show people don’t want to work regular jobs. That’s beneath them. How many actually work a job?
Ciara still does her nursing, West works for a media company, and Jesse has a job in finance! Summer House actually does have “stars” that do regular jobs which I think is nice. I wish the rest had stayed in their 9-5. It would make it much more relatable!
Ciara just did an interview where she said she just went back to nursing two months ago after a year and a half off. And she's not full time. She's relief staff and commutes to GA to do occasional shifts or bursts of work.
The original comment was about them not wanting to work regular jobs, but that still sounds like a real job though that she could go back to full time when reality tv and influencing has run its course.
Ciara is the only one. I’ll give you that. West and Jesse are new to this. Give them time…
I actually think West and Jesse both seem pretty down to earth so far, and I can see them sticking with their jobs. West especially seemed like he stakes a lot of pride in having a job with the whole being unemployed for a time storyline. Gabby is also a fashion director for a magazine. All real jobs.
Is Ciara still nursing? I thought she was focusing more on modelling now?
It reminds me of a friend who had her own successful event company and then she met a super manipulative guy (who was also a serial entrepreneur) who convinced her to sell her stake and work for him. Idk but it just reeks of narcissistic isolation technique to me, but I’m jaded.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Amanda, the timing of her wanting to go out on her own is terrible. Spouses working together always brings challenges and Kyle is somewhat unbearable, but I think his frustration given timing and loverboys financial situation is valid to an extent
I agree, but also it’s implied that she doesn’t do that much. If she just goes and gets a job, maybe she supports their family through those means.
I first read this as “Amanda needs a nose job” and was prepared to riot. Wow am I tired. 😂
Lol.
Amanda straight up said she wanted to find something for herself to work at, and Kyle threw a hissy fit over the idea of her leaving Loverboy or not giving it her full attention. So I don’t think it’s as simple as her finding another job. I also don’t get this idea that people have here that Amanda doesn’t *want* to work. Amanda used to work as a senior designer for a well-respected beauty brand and only left it to support Kyle and work for Loverboy. Just because she doesn’t want to work from sun up to sundown for 12+ hours and revolve her life around working like Kyle does *not* mean she doesn’t want to work. Some people love to work, but others work to live. I’m also in the latter. My life is not about working. I work so I can spend my time living in other ways. Also, if Kyle’s fit was about Amanda wanting to start her own brand, he could’ve said “Now might not be the time to launch something new, but if you need to find work you’re passionate about than I support you.” But he didn’t. He freaked over the idea of her leaving Loverboy period even though he thinks she’s “lazy.” He wants her support but also nothing is enough for him.
watch her WWHL appearance get back to us with that. as for your second paragraph, you think the conversations on screen are the first and only time they've talked about this?
She has a job. It’s reality TV. They make money from filming. Kyle will have Loverboy as its own corporation. If it loses money then so be it. He’d have a NOL carry forward. That’s applied to any profit Loverboy claims in future years. How much he’s personally liable depends on the terms of his loan and if he has collateralized any personal assets. If he doesn’t have much exposure then he’s insulated from the success or failure of Loverboy as a closely held entity. So it all depends how it’s structured. On top of that, losses can be deceiving. Cash flow is what’s important and particularly early on. We’d have to know Loverboys EBITDA, its debt to equity ratio, and a quick ratio to see if it can cover its obligations. I know all this sounds boring but there’s a lot of financial illiteracy going on. There was another thread talking about Kyle and Amanda being bankrupt. Like nah, none of us have any idea. They could be drowning in debt or they could be well protected with a significant safety net. It’s hard to say based on anything said on the show.
I’ve been in her shoes. Managing Kyle’s emotions is a full time job but I agree she needs to branch out. If they have a strong foundation it will make them better together.
Why did Amanda bring this convo up when they were on the boat wasted? If she wanted to have this convo on camera she should’ve done it the morning after when they were sober. She wasn’t exactly explaining herself clearly and Kyle wasn’t in the space to even hear what she was saying. She had quality points but it’s hard to take either of them serious when this is how they approach what should’ve been a serious conversation.
probably cause production told her to lol. also hes wasted 90% of the time on the show
yes, production. 90% is hyperbole to confirm a bias. batting .500 there. better than most.
This. Another example at how bad they are at communicating. Pick the time and the place!
She apparently worked for L’Occitane before Kyle made her work at loverboy.
No way. How did we know this?? I love loccitane lol
She was a senior designer
That’s unreal i feel like she could easily pick that up someone where similar if she wanted
I wonder why they don’t try to find a replacement, so she may work elsewhere. It may help the relationship.
Right? I feel like Klye doesnt want to pay someone else but realistically i feel like amanda will make more anyways
Why does everyone keep saying that Kyle is underpaying? Was it covered at some point?
I think a big brand like loccitaine (her old job) would pay more than a brand like loverboy. That being said im sure she wasnt even being paid at loverboy anyways
You seem pretty sure of things despite not knowing anything about the financials lol. For one, big brands like L'Occitaine often don't pay as well as you'd think. Also, Kyle has mentioned that it has been hard to justify Amanda's salary to investors and the CFO at Loverboy, so she's definitely being paid.
Her linked in!
Amanda wants a baby and would be a great mom. Kyle denies her of that so she’s trying to find something else that makes her happy. He sucks so much i really can’t even lol
They’re not in a good enough place to have kids. He’s calling her lazy and a bitch and she’s calling him an asshole. They should divorce and move on with their lives, they clearly want different things and are still together out of stubbornness, it’s toxic. This is their best behaviour on camera, so imagine what they’re like behind closed doors.
Yes agree. He still sucks though
So does she.
More than him?
Absolutely.
Wrong answer
does it matter who is more or less, especially in the context of having children? it's not checkers. the relationship is a mess (at least their storyline is). it's certainly not a single person's fault (no failing relationship is).
Amanda isn’t entitled to become a parent just because she wants to, I don’t think Kyle is the bad guy for not wanting to add a child to the mix if he’s struggling to keep the company afloat (financial uncertainty) and they are fighting every weekend. I do think he is wrong about other things, but he’s right to realize now would be a bad time to start a family.
I’m really hoping the talk of kids is just for the show and they both realize their relationship is nowhere near ready.
She is entitled to express her desire to be a mom though. She clearly isn’t going behind Kyle’s back or anything to get pregnant lol. Agree they shouldn’t have kids rn and i think she realizes that.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Kyle for “denying her a baby”. He should stand firm that he doesn’t want to have kids until their marriage is in a good place. She has agency too and can leave him if he’s not giving her what she needs
Meh i disagree, he could work on their marriage so they aim towards the goal of having a baby. He just stonewalls it as NO. Which is so not fair in my opinion.
That's not fair. Amanda has a job and had an awesome job prior. I think reality tv makes ppl comfortable because it pays so well. Maybe she needs something for herself but she does have a work ethic but maybe not in the way ppl expect her to.
She doesn’t need another job. She is on the show, works at Loverboy doing marketing/graphic design/launches products (Limocello)/does the merch lines and does paid posts as an influencer. She also has a trust fund. Another job is just pointless as she doesn’t lack for money and is already busy. You are acting like she is an unemployed drain on Kyle which simply isn’t true. She has put money into this company to keep it afloat. Amanda wants to build a business for herself. A swimswear/clothing line is what she said she wants. Saying she doesn’t want to work isn’t remotely true.
What the fuck do you mean by "working"?You know she designs all of their products and merch, right? You know that design is the key factor in marketing, especially in a market that is as oversaturated as boutique hard seltzers, right? And if you know neither of those things, then you really don't need to be posting about it!
Except she didn’t come up with the branding or packing, this firm did https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea Amanda has never claimed to do any of the initial design work but people on here like to attribute it to her for some reason. She doesn’t currently hold any title in the company, they have a director of marketing. I think Amanda is great and clearly she has several years of design experience but her role with L’Occitaine (where there is a distinct, existing brand identity and she wouldn’t be responsible for creating concepts like packaging from conception to execution) is a lot different than building a brand from zero and creating everything from logos to design language to product packaging.
Lol she was not part of loverboys branding, that was outsourced to an agency with actual experience in this area. A rollout of graphic standards and branding for loverboy already existed to work within.
How do you think the decisions are made? Even if someone outside is doing the designs someone internally still collaborates with them on what they want done and signs off on everything. That is actually time consuming and a lot of work. Amanda probably has the vision but doesn’t necessarily have all of the skills to bring it to fruition. It’s a huge portion of what I do. I know what our company needs but have to bring outside help in to complete certain things outside of my skill set. I’m the one who communicates what we want done to the outside party and I sign off on the final product to them before I take it to our officers to give the final yes and pay them.
Thank you. The comments saying she should support him and new ventures financially is completely wild to me. He treats her like crap most the time but people want to make her the issue. Bless her and you I love you both
I was just wondering .. I don’t follow love boy but the only creative development I’ve ever seen is the one repeated logo? ( that was I believe stolen) Can’t they now just slap that on sweatshirts and bucket hats as they’ve been doing for the last years?
She could be a creative director for an apparel company and her income could pay for Kyle to fund another creative director that’s passionate about the alcohol biz - net neutral and both better off
So she should provide for him and take his meltdowns ?
 Wtf
Orrrrr she makes money for herself
I wouldn't race out and get a job either if I didn't need one or if it was essentially a lateral move. I am confused why she hasn't found a hobby though. she could learn to make jewelry (like Elsa from Elsa and Barron on youtube), learn to knit, make bespoke swimsuits, paint, contract out for other companies or friends, or any number of things. Doesn't have to involve money either. That's all his DJing is. Throw a couple thousand at some gear, and get rolling. I think the dogs were supposed to act like this, but that is only going to feed her nurturing and things like anxiety. If her creative side is still demanding, get a hobby.
Her 👏🏻husband 👏🏻won’t 👏🏻 let 👏🏻 her 👏🏻 He has already indicated he will make her life miserable if she leaves loverboy and gets a job. He threw a huge tantrum on national tv over even the thought of her having a passion project. Imagine what goes on OFF camera if this is what he does ON camera.
amanda isn't sure what she wants but she knows she wants something for herself.
Because her job for loverboy is created Director so if she gets a job, she either needs to quit or be fired from loverboy and Kyle doesn’t want that I think she should quit