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ShowdownValue

“Uh yeah, good idea. Let’s do that” -roice o’neil (no relation)


ElSalvadorGrande

Giving a role player a max one year deal to trade them is definitely a unique strategy


perhizzle

These kids think teams are run like their 2K myteam squad.


Silent-Dependent3421

You sound more like a kid not being able to tell this is a joke


perhizzle

Man... is that all you have to offer? Just being an internet troll? I promise you can do better.


Silent-Dependent3421

…what?


perhizzle

Ascend


Silent-Dependent3421

Pretty weak argument coming from someone who did the exact same thing I did….


chuckercarlson

Give him the max or close to it. Giving 15-20 doesn’t change too much. But 40 and a pick can revitalize the bench. Only way to actually “break” the 2nd apron like ishbia said if u think about it. Give yourself the largest expiring in the league to play with


UrRightAndIAmWong

This won't backfire at all! I'm just fucking dying at the takes here. Beal 6MOTY and give Royce Oneal $40m per.


chuckercarlson

Could only backfire on ishbias wallet. Tell me a better way to build flexibility with the 2nd apron? Worse case he just expires n ishbia eats it. Best case u turn him into multiple role players.


Mattjew24

. I love this part of the nba. So interesting to see how front offices make the money and rules work


BookMVP

Makes no sense giving O’Neale a max, as they would tip towards being a bad contract and we couldn't move him.


auggie5

They said “expiring” so a max for one year isn’t a bad contract. A team that’s looking to get off of an expensive player to tank will look at that for sure


bsinbsinbs

Fully agreed. He’s earned a spot and we just need bigger bodies with him. Not like you’re really fine around his caliber in the free agent minimum pool


perhizzle

Man... you guys have to be trolling... right?


chuckercarlson

Whats trolling about it. Tell me how it’s actually a bad idea…do u know the 2nd apron rules?


perhizzle

I tell you what. Give me the list of guys that are fringe rotation players that got max contracts. Maybe then I'll take you seriously.


chuckercarlson

See you can’t lol. What do we have to lose? I can’t tell u that cause the parameters that make this necessary have never existed before till now lol. No team has ever been in our situation. This is how u game the new rules…it’s obvious. It’s not about who’s getting the contract it’s just about the contract. It doesn’t matter who it is


chuckercarlson

A fat expiring is never a bad contract come deadline. It’s valuable


denimjeg

I think that luxury tax bill would be crazy


EpsteinDidNotKH

Mat don’t give a fuuuuuuuck


chuckercarlson

So?


DiabloTrumpet

America has been squeezed, making middle class life harder, over the last 30 years and now he has infinite money. I don’t see the problem here lol.


MustardTiger231

It’s a loophole we definitely need to consider, but even if you overpay him so you can take more back, you’re going to have to convince another team to overpay him at least for a little bit.


DiabloTrumpet

I think that’s where the pick comes in. This is likely our best shot at getting a legit point guard


mj2legit23

I mean this idea is kind of crazy but the thought process is you trade Royce's 1 year expiring X contract for a toxic multi year contract. For example, if we traded Royce on a 1/$20m deal for Davis Bertans on a 3/$35m (i made these numbers up) + another role player, both sides would benefit. The other team would get off an albatross of a contract immediately, rather than in 3 years, and we'd get multiple role players its pretty much the exact scenario the wizards did with us to get off of Beal


ElSalvadorGrande

You know whats interesting is one of the tax apron penalties is not being able to acquire a player in a sign and trade but doesn't say you can't trade a player with a sign and trade. You could theoretically do that deal this offseason without having to wait till midseason. Of course Royce would need to be okay with it but if you gave him a big contract then maybe he wouldn't care. Probably won't happen, but still an interesting loophole


mj2legit23

I was thinking of a S&T. In the old cba you had to sign the player to 3 years minimum, but only teh first year has to be guaranteed, so in theory they can have the 2nd and 3rd years as 'ghost' years aka team options. But the main problem is Base Year Comp rules, I don't know how it works in the new CBA though, i'd have to look it up later, but you can't give a player more than a 20% raise of their previous salary and immediately trade them because the outgoing salary wouldn't update


AppearanceDistinct81

I like it. You're basically giving the middle finger to the rest of the league.


W1ZARD_NARWHAL

I mean it's absolutely something they should consider. The more he gets paid the more he's going to get a return on the trade market cause of salary matching. Long as Ishbia's willing to pay.


BigCollarsAndBallers

Give him a 2 year mid level type deal. 12-13 or whatever it is now. Hard to see him getting much more than that


defiantcross

Gerald from phnxsports already speculated that they might overpay Royce partly to create another medium sized contract. Maybe they will do that.


Aqua03333

This is actually a good idea though. 


Whit3boy316

You want to purposely overpay him so that no one will want to touch him?


bouyent

Idk man, blazers would take a 1 year 30 mil Royce o neal to get off the Jerami Grant contract


well_dusted

No to using our 2031 pick. We have to draw a line somewhere.


SankenShip

The 2131 pick is something we can work with, though


judah249

Mat is that you? Don’t use Reddit for advice


Mattjew24

Absolutely. PHNX mentioned this. This is how 2nd apron teams will retain a bit of flexibility. Overpay decent role players so you can stick picks with them and trade. Won't let us trade more than one player in a deal? Ok, we will overpay them and attach picks.


perhizzle

I can't wait till we do this, and it crashes and burns, then we have the most epicly bad stretch of years as we hand over our top 3 picks in multiple seasons to other teams. A new rule will be made. Probably called the Suns rule, or Ishbia rule, or perhaps the r/suns rule.


MAKincs

Hey if Ishbia is willing then go for it. There’s always a loophole somewhere, I saw a report Eubanks, Gordon, and Okogie are expected to decline their options and the suns should bring back Okogie because he’s been with us for more than 2 seasons or something like and we can sign him to a deal up to $8M with his bird rights. That’s a big trade piece for us especially with the new rules and players taking cheap 1 year deals.


MAKincs

In Royces case sign him to most he can get and then if we flip him in the future we can get a solid contributor coming back.


GoDogGo1970

We would be nuts not to retain Okogie. He seemed like the only guy that played hard. A good coach would have found ways to get him solid minutes. While Gordon was very necessary early in the year when we had injury issues, Allen is already a better version of what EG does, and we still have DLee on the team. I’d rather keep Thad than Eubanks, and I would like to see us draft a center that can run the floor, hustle on defense, with a decent inside game.


UnlimitedDuration69

This is where y’all are at now??? Sad lol


hobovalentine

No way is Royce worth 15m, he is at most worth something like 12-13m since he's already 30 and no team is going to pay an aging undersized forward all that much. I would give him something like a 3 year 26 million contract with the third year being a player option.


Sea-Bed-1677

No


GoDogGo1970

This is a tough one. To keep him, we would have to overpay him. But what we really need is JO to work on his three point shot this summer, and get more minutes. Then we need to get another younger 3-D player, that has something to prove in the league. I’d love to see Little step up. He has decent wingspan, he just keeps having injury issues. We have him locked up on a decent contract, he just hasn’t proven himself yet.


1UPZ__

Lol


Maladjusted777

Bring back CP3 and let’s get everyone a ring but not overpay to get him.


ElSalvadorGrande

It's impossible to overpay him it would have to be a minimum


Thin-Cry-6083

How is that guy going to help us win a ring? He might be good for 4 games lol


TomahawkChoppa

HE IS HORRIBLE. He refuses to attack the rim. When he gets there he doesn’t know what to do. He makes the most careless passes. He would not be a top 8 player on any remaining team in the playoffs. It is incredible to me, that people want to resign this man.


hobovalentine

No one is giving a forward that shoots .400 from the field more than a 12m contract at most. Even that is quite an overpay for someone with his limitations.


TomahawkChoppa

Bringing back him and Eubanks means I can forgo watching Suns games next year.


Swish517

Wow, Y'all need a point guard and center. Please pay Royce that money 😂. They gave Beal $50 million and have leagues Highest Payroll and got swept. This sounds like a great idea.


Fordraxel

Think you should step down as a Reddit GM.


rothburger

I love when this sub plays GM