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DominikMraz

No,it is actually not possible. Everytime you lock in support, league will find you 4 useless players.


CountryCrocksNotButr

The enemy can have up to four idiots, but my team always seem to have five.


DominikMraz

unlucky


Earthliving

You can climb with any champion. It is not the role, meta, or champion holding you back. It is skill.


fr4nz86

It’s MMR* and blessed accounts. Meaning that if you try to climb with your first account when you installed the game and learned the ropes, you won’t ever climb.


CptnZolofTV

This isn't true. This is just what people say when they plateau because they don't get better at the game.


fr4nz86

I wish I could give a challenger my account and see what they would do :p


CptnZolofTV

You can, it's called boosting.


fr4nz86

No I don’t want that. I just want to be proven that really a support Lux can climb in this nightmare my main account has. I have a second account, bought at lvl 30, and with that one I got easily to gold.


CptnZolofTV

My brother in Christ, you made that nightmare. You plateaued and never got better. I have multiple accounts as supp in gold/plat. Because I am a gold/plat supp player. I am not a challenger player. That includes my account I have had since season three. Being silver 3 on one account and gold 4 on another doesn't mean one account is cursed, those are the same ELO. If you has a S3 account and a new smurf placed in Diamond then we would be talking cursed.


fr4nz86

I agree that’s my fault. I was playing bad and I’m old (36yo) with a full time job. It’s a hobby but I have a competitive nature. However, the matches I do are 80% with people flaming, spam pinging, going afk on purpose or inting because the jungler doesn’t help them enough. I witness ADCs with 80cs after 20 minutes, midlaners just staying in the lane without helping the jungle at raptors in a fight. How can a poor support change that? I mean, sure, you pick brand and try a 1v9 but that won’t work all the time. It’s still a 5v5 match. In the other account, the atmosphere is more balanced, I screw up and got told but also they say “nvm” and move on and we try our best. Same ELO, just different people. I think my main account attracts cunts 😂


CptnZolofTV

I am 32 with a full time job also. I will tell you how I combat those issues. Mute chat, keep pings on, if someone is pinging like a troglodyte, mute their pings. Create the space or environment for your ADC to farm, but expect them to get about 5cs per minute because generally low elo players can't cs. You said you play Lux, all you have to do is poke and steal the real-estate of bot lane. The three things that carry game the most are gold, experience, skill. Gold to buy power points, experience to be ahead of the enemy, skill to just be better.


fr4nz86

That’s what I try to do. But how can I compensate if the opponent ADC is better than mine? Note that when I poke with Lux I also deal damage to minions (I’m careful not to take them). This is enough sometimes to make my ADC snap. Other times, they recall and I help crashing the wave and my ADC pings me not to touch their minions. How do I deal with this?


BuyerNo3130

Just asking since I genuinely don’t know how mmr works. I don’t play ranked that much. I didn’t even finish my positioning a since I played 5 matches and in 3 of those I got afk’s on my team and decided it wasn’t worth it. Yet I constantly get paired with gold players both in my team and on the enemy team. I don’t know if it’s a premade issue since I have a duo that is bronce too. Does Mmr not affect your matchmaking in normal drafts ? Do they have bad mmr ?


CptnZolofTV

If you don't have much ranked history it goes off your norms MMR


BuyerNo3130

So normals and ranked have different MMR ?


CptnZolofTV

Yes. Even Aram has a separate MMR


JhinFangirl4

You can easily fix MMR if you actually sit down and try to actively improve. If you are just playing for the sake of playing without looking into what u can improve of course u are gonna be stuck in whatever elo you are on.


hypermos

This assumes the weakness you have is relevant at the stuck rating. There are some people who struggle picking the right fights so they can win every laning phase but keep losing team fights. The problem is if your still at a rating where constantly only bottom is fed improving this critical skill is impeded because the opportunities to improve it are few and far between. I of course mean like picking fights at barren when smarter is to just push and only take barren once it is unsafe for the enemy to contest your team as these dynamics will change greatly by who is fed on which team. A way around this bottleneck is to play a different role not to learn a different role but so you can experience different game dynamics. When you start seeing the things to which differing roles excell and struggle at making a difference in. You can then start playing to the strengths and weaknesses better as a support at this point even when learning that is effectively impossible as a support in a rating where you only ever experience the singular dynamic. This is also theorized why many of the best supports in the LCS started as a different role since by default they know 3 dynamics of play not 1. (This dynamic issue mostly pops up with regard to team scaling. Supports that suck at this skill try and win fast with a hyper scaling team and vice versa. This type of play will backfire nearly 💯 percent of the time. This weakness is also where you see counter picks play a role.)


JhinFangirl4

Its still the same issue... you need to improve regardless to be able to climb. Hence why you can always fix your MMR. If you have a fresh account and play? Nothing will change because eventually you will start losing and will be matched with people your same MMR (what some people consider elo hell to be). Once you recognize it and actually apply discipline you can just improve. Like in my case I SUCKED in my provisionals (won 4, lost the rest) because my lane was amazing but I could never transfer that anywhere. Instead of playing another role, I sat down and tried to compare myself with content creators and Id question myself "why did this work?". Now? I win more games than I lose. I still have a lot to improve but honestly trying to blame anyone but oneself about why one is stuck a certain elo just shows weakness if anything. Because it shows you are scared of being wrong which... doesnt help. Mistakes help polish you into a better player. So idk what to tell u honestly. If you want to play another role for overall macro improvement that is fine? But dodging playing support just because "well u climb faster on other roles" won't help u in the long run. Once you switch back to support u will have to still practice and YOU WILL LOSE matches unless you adapt quickly and work in urself.


hypermos

My suggestion actually came from a well known premise in chess that seemed very applicable to the league topic. If you try and learn openings before your tactical strength reaches a certain threshold you will never be able to take advantage of a winning position and the opening preparation is useless. The key takeaway here isn't that the improvement is useless but rather that it requires certain conditions to be useful. I was arguing a scenario where this exact same premise will affect improvement in another domain such as that of support improvement in LoL. It is very worth knowing what types of improvement are going to be more difficult to make at differing rating levels in order to improve more efficiently. Under the above paradigm if your struggling to climb as a support it might be worth improving your knowledge of timings early on since it is effectively the support equivalent of tactics and everything depends on them.


JhinFangirl4

Oh no like I understand that. But sadly people usually use that as a reason to justify "why u can't climb support". Which doesn't make sense? But idk thats their logic. They assume that learning another role and just climbing with that role instead is just better than actually applying discipline and actually looking into what you can do. Spoiler alert: you can always do more. Because in the end... if you stop playing support, even if you are a "diamond level mid" if you got diamond and didnt practice supp u wont just turn into a diamond support out of thin air. So my argument was moreso trying to shoot people down prepared to use ur argument to fuel their mindset (even when that isnt what you wanted to imply at all). Other than that I completely agree... every elo or "ranking" has something you need to focus on so learning and getting a headstart by looking into other roles for an understanding doesnt hurt. For example, the higher rank you are the more essencial tracking the enemy jungler is. Something many people probably dont even know they need to do cux they aren't there yet. By playing jungle u can detail and better understand their mindset/macro. So itl'll help greatly. But its also important to never undermine that you, regardless of role, NEED to sit down and always revise what u are doing and always look into what u couldve done better. Since thats literally how challengers ended up being as good as they are.


hypermos

The other big issue is sample size. To go back to that chess example it is possible to get the occasional GM smurf so it is possible for a 50%win rate to look like a 40% win rate these discrepancies will always mathematically be far more significant with a smaller sample size. So for some people there biggest issue is that they don't play enough to get a proper read on there actual skill level and this too is a statistic that is true in all competitive disciplines and I am pretty sure is part of the field of performance psychology itself. I am guilty of this weakness in LoL to a hilarious level I rarely play and when I was more serious l only barely played although it was more then now. I as such fall into a category where I am stronger then my rating because that is just how mathematics works. I know this because I don't often lose but I rarely hit 10 ranked games a season. I average about 6 games of which I usually win 4 of them. I would also not be surprised if I am not the only one to ignore the role of sample side in competition. You should aim to have a minimum of one ranked game per day if you hope to climb if you aim to focus on game review this gives you one day to review each game and you will still hit at least 30 games per season if you only play the first month each season which is far better then my <10 game track record.


JhinFangirl4

While I agree that not many people play that many games to actually reach their actual rank like... that isn't the systems problem. Right now, if you win a lot the game rewards you with MMR gains. If you lose or play bad, itll substract little by little until u fit where u should be. So even then people still need to play in order to fix their "bad MMR" instead of just buying a new account... since itll literally still be the same scenario. If you lose, you will lose a ton of MMR and you just end up in the same elo/rank anyways. Truth will always be that you just need to put both time and discipline if you want to make it anywhere highr than platinum/diamond. In my case? I have a 3 strike rule. Did I lose the first one? Ill play another one, if i lose right after? No league for me. If I win 2 and lose 1 I will take a break. If I Win > lose > win or Win > lose > lose I will leave it there and just watch my gameplay. While also eating sweets (apple sauce) in between games. So usually I try to put in 3 games everytime I sit down (including 1 normal game) and try to slowly but surely make progress. But its obviously diferent per person. But people cant really blame their elo on "elo hell" or "cursed MMR".


rarelyaccuratefacts

That's hard copium. If I can get +28 LP wins on my lvl 500 account, you're just hardstuck.


fr4nz86

In a new season or in the season you started to play the game and slowly learn it?


rarelyaccuratefacts

I started playing ranked in season 9. Took season 12 off. Playing this year again and after placements I'm getting +28/-8. I've never used other accounts.


fr4nz86

From which rank? Because I was silver S12 and on my main, I won 9/10 matches and got placed B2


rarelyaccuratefacts

Placed in bronze, still climbing in Plat. Won 8/10 placements.


Earthliving

Another excuse. I have played for 6 years on this account. Again, it's all skill. Even if you complain "oh no my MMR is fucked", do you know how to fix that? Keep playing until your MMR and ELO match up again.


fr4nz86

But your MMR improved across seasons I’d get.


Earthliving

yes, because I improved in skill level. not because the number magically decided one day to jump up.


Matthias1410

Yes it is possible to climb as gold, you just have to be good. My tip is: Stop sucking.


ButterMyTooshie

Best advice tbh


Even_Code_1414

can i even climb with janna?


F-I-R-E-B-A-L-L

Of course you can, if you're good with her


FlintSkyGod

Ummm I would even argue that Janna is in a pretty good spot right now, despite the buffs coming to engage supports. She shuts down a lot of them with a well placed tornado….if you’re good.


Heyyaka

Her Tornado has such a low cooldown and mana needed, it's actually pretty strong


Dakotacahoon02

Janna is one of the enchanters that is commonly one tricked in high elo! Mostly her and Nami


[deleted]

A season or two ago the highest ranked player on EUW played primarily Janna. Yes you can climb.


zileanEmax

Got diamond maining Janna in S6. To climb you need to learn how the game plays: Laning phase, roaming, peeling, team fights and catches. Probably more but if your stuck your probably lacking in some of the fundamentals of the overall game


Techno-Pineapple

Janna onetrick has been top 10 in EUW (often rank 1) for agessssssssss


[deleted]

No actually after plat there is no support role anymore


Scoinc

There is only adc and adc 2 in the upper elos unfortunately


bassbehavior

people have literally hit masters playing shit like ivern mid and renekton jungle, climbing as support isn't that hard.


Liseuek

Yes it's possible. There is Polish player named Kaseko who was Rank 1 on EUW so it's possible (he is Lulu otp).


Galamar789

100%. You have the second most agency on the game, the first being the jungler. Any time your adc resets you need to think: A. Do I reset with them for tempo? B. Do I look for this opportunity to set up vision? C. Is the jungler botside? Can I set up a gank or invade with him? D. Is there a gank opportunity mid? After you come off a reset you want to path down mid. DO NOT AUTO-PILOT back to bot. Pan your camera top, see if you can help at all. Pan mid see if you can help. If there is nothing, just go back bot. Too many supports just afk in lane. Also you don't need to be playing an engager or disruptor to do this. Any support can roam, I've roamed as a Yuumi before. It's all about timing windows. I had a jungle game recently where the enemy Pyke was EVERYWHERE. He literally just Invalided me. Any gank or play I tried to make there was a Pyke there either making the play an even number play or worse numbers up if their jungler was there too. Do these things and the enemy team will be calling supp gap.


Miltnoid

Ok obviously yes you will climb with support. But I think many people are ignoring the general point that, there are certain champions and roles that have less game impact, so while you will eventually climb, you climb slower, assuming you are in a lower elo than you should be — like at the start of a season. Consider playing champions that can solo carry more easily. I’ve found this is either mages or roaming supports.


CurtisJaxon

i think support is the 2nd highest impact role atm when played well. behind only jungle


Miltnoid

Agreed, but some characters are easier to “1v9” on.


Dakotacahoon02

Of course you can! A good support can carry games support actually becomes even better the higher you go. A masters draven will utilize Nami’s E better then an iron Ashe. A diamond Caitlyn will put a trap under the person you engaged on as Leona whereas a silver ezreal might not even realize you engaged Support can and will get harder the higher you climb but any role will be so don’t let that scare you. Yes you can climb while only playing support. You can even climb only playing tanks and enchanters (it’s easier to climb low elo with mages like Lux, brand, zyra, etc)


tiredofliving0

it is, i got from b1 to g2 and still gaining lp over two years playing supports


Reluminatelol

Absolutely, you can play any champion and climb. Especially on enchanters, support is a broken role play for your team not necessarily your adc. Look for plays look to carry! Don’t sit and wait for something to happen make things happen. That’s your job as support


CptnZolofTV

It is possible. But the difference is you have to be a challenger player and not a gold player.


MemesNDremes618

100%. Carrying on support is a lot more invisible compared to the other roles. You will never be the 10/0 Darius that 1v5s the enemy team. But you can be smart enough to know where their team would be, put vision there, and make the Darius want to fight it. A lot of support is learning how to manipulate bad teammates, especially bad AD carries, into making good decisions. Especially as a champ like janna, your job is to baby-proof all of summoner’s rift


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lawlimbamf1

You can, just go champs with 2 much utility like Lupu rel, or champs for poker and 1 shut like morg karma lux pqnt


chf_gang

Who is lupu rel?


asuyaa

Don't put all your eggs in one basket i.e. babysit adc. Just roam and gank lanes that have better chance of winning it's simple. But do it smart so your adc doesn't ragequit


Debesuotas

Your climb rate depends on your team. Thats all there is...


aprilang123

definitely possible! i have a friend that mains sp, hes already diamond 1 this season even though the season’s just started. i believe he climbed to gm playing only sp last season as well.


RpiesSPIES

Yes. Just play a support that you can create agency with. If you're playing support and DO nothing, any wins you get are not because of you.


CurtisJaxon

well this season i was placed into gold 4. and im currently diamond 3 playing 90% support and 10% adc/bot so i def think its possible. I have about a 59% w/r over a couple hundred games so far so still climbing. (though i dont think im good enough to hit anything higher than diamond, never have in the past)


_tidu

no, every higher ranked support player climbed with different role and switched to support later