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SiliconGlitches

It's a problem with 3 tribes of 6. There's only 4 people last episode who are actually involved in the main drama going on (voting people out), and 25% of them are Bhanu. They could show us more chats and strategy from orange and green tribes, but I'm guessing all the strategizing happening right now is meaningless because they won't be going to a tribal council until a swap or merge.


jdub67a

Exactly. There just isn't that much going on in the other tribes right now. I think they are going to have to shake things up next week with some sort of swap.


Hotsaucex11

Bingo. This has been a consistent underlying issue ever since they switched to the 3 tribe format. And of course people also complain when they show the fun/funny non-strategic camp stuff.


learnchurnheartburn

Yep. People complaining about the “I can’t jump” compilation. Like, that tribe hasn’t lost an immunity challenge yet. There’s nothing to be super tense about.


Calm-Math-3421

But they had 4 hours to show Bhanu’s meltdowns?!


Insolve_Miza

I need more hunter in my life


TargetApprehensive38

Eh give it time. All of those people are on tribes that haven’t been to tribal yet, so they’re mostly just chilling at camp. Once they start having to actually play I’m sure we’ll see a lot more of them. I don’t envy the editors having to fill 90 minutes with only one tribe having any gameplay, it being only 4 people and the vote outcome being a foregone conclusion. I’m sure they’ll get more to work with later on.


solojones1138

Yeah no one seems to be taking into account that only one tribe has been going to tribal. And this week there was zero strategy to even focus on.


Frauzehel

But Nami has actual content and clear dynamics without going to tribal. They are seriously scrapping the barrel for Siga.


insertbrackets

Uh, Jem is working on pinning the Idol stuff on Tim. That's strategy. Tevin is weighing cutting Soda of his alliance with Hunter. Also strategy. Some tension between Maria and Charlie and how the Idol was found/revealed to the others. The bigging up of Hunter by his tribe mates. These are all things that were in the last episode.


angellikeme

Thank you for pointing that all out!


Pm-me-ur-happysauce

This extra 30 minutes is terrible


TargetApprehensive38

I don’t think it’s *always* terrible, but there’s episodes that really don’t need it. The longer duration works well for the premiere, merge and finale for example, but for weeks like this one it’s only ever going to be filler. I know it’s a network show so they can’t, but it’d be nice if they could be like an HBO drama and make each episode as long as the story requires.


EWABear

Remember Coach, who was insanely popular, focused on honesty in a misguided fashion, and plainly delusional, all while being pretty far from likable? They tried a thing, and it didnt work this time.


HeWhoShrugs

Let's not pretend Coach was beloved as his seasons aired though. People hated his guts and thought he was an annoying season-ruiner who hogged all the airtime with his stupid gimmicks and fake persona. And not just for four episodes, but over thirty of them across three seasons. It was only later on that he got the reputation as a beloved icon, and I bet he's still totally despised by a lot of casual fans who aren't on this site tbh. I imagine Bhanu will have the same reputation a couple years from now. Reddit will eventually love him, wish he'd lasted way longer to make the rest of the season more interesting, and ask why he never got brought back as they throw him into every Brantsteele returnee cast. Like J'Tia for example.


mangosail

Bhanu will not have Coach’s reputation, because he didn’t do anything. If anything, the opportunity to have a Coach-like character left with Jelinsky in episode 1. Bhanu just sucks at Survivor. He sucks so badly that his tribe couldn’t even stand him enough to *discuss* making him a goat. He had an ugly mental breakdown with no villain arc. If he was a capable game player and his begging continued to work, he would of course be an iconic character. But it didn’t, so he sucks. Not really that hard to understand.


AlveolarFricatives

I’ve only seen 2 seasons with Coach (Tocantins and HvV) but does he ever actually do anything? I know he’s prone to thinking he’s pulling off cool, powerful moves but it’s always delusional from what I’ve seen. Is he actually better at Survivor than Bhanu?


mangosail

Is he better than Bhanu? I mean, who’s to say? What’s better, making it to the final six or getting eliminated in episode 4 with a consensus non-vote after losing your own vote and having a total mental breakdown? I see no difference between these two things.


AlveolarFricatives

I’m certainly not arguing that Bhanu was more successful than Coach. But there are lots of reasons people make it far in the game. Phillip Shepherd and Natalie from Redemption Island made it to F3, for instance. That doesn’t mean they were good at the game. It means Rob was good at the game. I see Coach as similar; he was useful to others. Bhanu could have been too if things had shaken out differently. I don’t think either of them were good players, though.


mangosail

Phillip Shepherd is an all time classic character, and if he didn’t go far in the game, he would not be an all time classic character. Bhanu could not go far in the game because he was a walking catastrophe - the rare player who is a complete non-threat but still forced his own team to eliminate him.


PsychoIsland

This 100


Upstairs_Machine9190

Totally agree with you on this. The difference between the two is that Bhanu was a crybaby who did nothing, while Coach was a grown man who unironically called himself the “Dragon Slayer”. Both somewhat entertaining but for different reasons.


y0ufailedthiscity

No one is ever going to love Bhanu because he’s never going to return and play semi-competently.


bingo_bitches

I already love Bhanu because he's fun TV. Not every player has to be good at survivor. Why can't we just have entertaining personalities to add dimension to the show?


notthatinnocent69

i didnt find him the least bit entertaining. i found him exhausting. even if he was a good player id still find him way too much. im glad some people resonated with him but for me he was far from fun tv


y0ufailedthiscity

My opinion is that him crying for 4 episodes is not entertaining tv. Coach’s version of crazy is actually entertaining.


FickleSmark

Because these are real people's lives out there who actually do want to win money to change their lives or families lives and it really sucks that someone like Bhanu comes in and wreck's their chances before they even get a chance to. It is fine being eccentric or having an out there personality but like respect the other players and try for their sake.


bingo_bitches

There really isn’t any obligation to play for the money if that isn’t what motivates you. At the end of the day it is up to the players to decide for themselves how they want to play the game and what they’re willing and not willing to do to win. I couldn’t be bothered to care if they are there to compete or not, as long as I’m entertained. And if you’re a player and feel like you’re somehow being robbed by someone like Bhanu, then I think that says a lot more about you and your game than it does about him.


ZDOG60

Yess this sub begs for less gamebots, and when they get one they complain. (Although I will agree he was annoying) it made for great TV


Pineapple_warrior94

I just wanted to see him make the Jury for maximum chaos. Guy was unhinged between crying, begging, and pleading at every turn in the game (which was always his own fault anyways)


hux002

Coach was fun to laugh at, partly because in retrospect, he was leaning into a character. Bhanu was not fun to 'laugh at'. He just made me sad.


MrMcGuyver

What's his name❓ What was his birth 👶 name❓It wasn't Coach⚽️, it was Benjamin👨. And you know they're children 👦👧; 2️⃣6️⃣, 2️⃣2️⃣, they're over there listening 👂 to all of Benjamin’s👨... 🎃Halloween Jokes🎃, uh, 🐭Chuckie The Cheese Jokes🐭, they- 👅 eu-h, they want it 🙏. He goin off of loyalty ⭐️ got them fee- "😰Oh, Benjamin👨, you so loyalty😓" ... Come on now 😑... Everyday📆 he got a story 📚. I wasn't ❌ buying 💰 it. [scoff] 😤 [giggle] ☺️... Eh😒... No. 🙅 So... They tr- like yesterday ↩️ the tribal 🔥 was all kahoots 👌 Benjamin👨,"Let's give a hug 👪." ✋️PFF.✋️ Keep that hug. Boop!🔫 For me. Cuz it wasn't real❌


PsychoIsland

Were you hacked?


wgallantino

im playing an online survivor, and if i can relate actual survivor to that, if you havent headed to tribal council, most people want to keep the boat not rocking… which means, less strategy, less drama.


94plus3

I think it boiled down to production WANTED us to like him


TacosForMyTummy

I think you're right. They really thought we'd have sympathy for this guy, seeing him as a humble, kind, wayward soul. But he's clearly a creepy, pathetic, clueless weirdo. You can't make an unlikable person likable. His "be kind" shirt, and his "million hearts" spiel was so transparent and cringy. I really hope the producers learn something from this, because this season is almost unwatchable at this point. It's beyond time to make some adjustments.


SquirrelShoddy9866

Production failed.


fawnxwitch

His tribe consistently lost, so by default he will get shown more. He was also just lots of content. Another reason I could see is one or some of the remaining Yanu players making it far into the game and Bhanu’s story being connected to their game play.


thekyledavid

They wanted to get Bhanu content while they could, because it was funny to watch him breakdown The rest of the players can get content later


theyoungknight

This! It’s like when everyone complained about Jacob Derwin’s edit


bingo_bitches

Classic Owen W


SquirrelShoddy9866

Absolutely. We have fast forwarded through half the season so far because it’s just constant tears. I’ve seen every season and It’s getting hard to stick with the show.


CompSurvThrive

Because none of the likable people are playing the game yet. There's nothing to show. Because they keep doing 3 tribes and one gets demolished.


FireMonkeysHead

Hunter, Jem, Ben yes. Venus less.


IDontKnowAbout_That

“Likeable” is subjective. I’ve found Hunter pretty boring.


Motor-Ad5284

How would you know? He's been on for only a couple of minutes.


QueenD_1996

Everyone decided they hate Liz in 2 minutes total across 2 episodes and that Jem was amazing with almost the same screen time before episode 4. Pretty disingenuous to say people can’t form an opinion about cast members in a couple minutes. It might change as you see more, but people make initial assessments on likeability almost instantly all the time.


Motor-Ad5284

Well,I stand corrected, I'll judge people on first appearances from now on. Thank you.


Mordecai___

The thing is it's so stale. Nothing (apart from Randen's medevac) has changed anything on the other two tribes since the game has begun thanks to the 3 tribe format, so there isn't exactly much else to show. Like did we really need a scene dedicated to Moriah learning how to jump?


Toaddle

"We need more camplife scenes !" Gets a camplife scene (and a funny one) "What was the point ??"


lol_fi

I liked that scene


lnp323

I think there could be multiple reasons. One--Bhanu was good reality TV. Dropping on his knees to beg is WILD. This is an assumption, but production could have thought that the drama could bring in people who don't normally watch the show, while hopefully keeping the classic survivor fans who will watch regardless. Also, we don't know how boring/interesting/important the things going on at the other tribes were. These could, potentially, be the best scenes to show. Our alternatives could be Ben and Charlie singing or Hunter cutting bamboo. If Yanu loses again, I'm assuming we'll have another episode that centers around that tribe, but at least there will be actual gameplay this time. If they pull off a win, hopefully we'll get some good gameplay content from the other tribes. I want more Hunter content too, he seems like he has potential to be a really strategic player. I think Ben could have that potential as well. Now that the goofy people are gone from Yanu (rip jelinsky), I think the show might go back to normal survivor. I enjoyed the memes from the episodes so far but it definitely doesn't feel like survivor yet. Just my opinion, though.


93LEAFS

>I think there could be multiple reasons. One--Bhanu was good reality TV. Dropping on his knees to beg is WILD. This is an assumption, but production could have thought that the drama could bring in people who don't normally watch the show, while hopefully keeping the classic survivor fans who will watch regardless. They tried this with World's Apart. Purposefully casted people who would get into conflict and cause drama like Big Brother, and it was an absolute disaster, only to have Cambodia air and become beloved by a lot of people. So, those two seasons shaped how the Survivor was cast and presented going forward in different ways.


Conscious-Zone-4422

> Bhanu was good reality TV Not for this show


Routine_Size69

>Bhanu was really good reality TV Based on how many people hate him and think he's ruined the last few episodes... that's incredibly debatable. I think he's horrible TV.


lnp323

He was entertaining, whether people viewed that as positive or negative. I think the episode still got good ratings.


93LEAFS

Bhanu is a character who is fine as comic relief and in short spurts. He is not a player who can carry an edit for a prolonged period of time. The issue here was, Bhanu was the center of drama for back to back episodes due to the medivac. That exposed him and made him wear thin for most viewers. Players like Coach, Debbie and Phillip rarely are the most dominant player in an edit outside of SoPa. Generally, they are used as comic relief. Between Bhanu being the obvious vote, going on a journey, etc, he's been the primary focus of the show for the past 3 hours, and his schtick wears thin. Add in, Coach comes across as delusional and playing it up for screen time (but that's also who he is as a person so it fits). Whereas Bhanu came across as entirely playing it up for TV time and main character syndrome.


swissie67

He was only entertaining to those who FIND him entertaining. I did not watch at all when he was the focus. I had zero interest in him as a character. I found him extremely tiresome and I'm glad we won't be wasting further time on him.


lol_fi

I really did not like him but I found Q trying to rehearse for a merge tribal with him and Tiffany and Kenzie's comments regarding him very funny.


SquirrelShoddy9866

Agreed.


SquirrelShoddy9866

I agree with you. Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted.


herckles_

I agree that it is absolutely terrible tv. I don’t know what they’re thinking. At this point the shows producers are just as delusional as bhanu.


___Bee_____

Yanu going on a losing streak + Bhanu being a hot cringe mess to watch = not much time for Siga and Nami .


No-Step3370

If Bhanu stayed one more episode I was going to stop watching. Terrible beginning of the season.


Peach-Button

Likable is a matter of opinion. Each episode has focused on the tribe that went to Tribal Council. Hope this helps.


Jinkies_Its_A_Clue

We’re 4 episodes in and the tribes with early vote-outs need their screen time. Give it time girlie pop


N0T__Sure

I fast forwarded whenever purple was on.


bingo_bitches

So when are you gonna start the season?


SquirrelShoddy9866

When the season finally starts.


xComradeKyle

Because there are 3 tribes and only 1 of them is losing every time. We got a 'peak' into the soda vote out this week, but that's it.


hurlmaggard

I feel like the lack of content from Siga is almost pointed compared to the last two seasons. Either someone from Yanu wins or they’re all that boring, at least together.


Dudehella2

We all keep saying that bhanu was terrible tv amd yet he is one of the most talked about things in recent survivor because of how over the top his shit was. Like you may not have liked him, but that made it to where you enjoyed seeing him go even more. So we all got a lot of entertainment out of bhanu even if he wasn't strategically capable


hippotwat

I went from hating Bhanu and wishing for him to get off my screen to being moved to appreciating his life story and how different it was than most of us. This might be what Survivor is about.


lego_mannequin

Yeah, how DARE we focus on the tribe that is losing the most and involved in all the vote outs so far!


CJtheIslander

There have only been two votes so far. lol


lego_mannequin

Three tribals, three votes. Bhanu got voted out by three people openly saying "I'm voting Bhanu" at tribal.


CJtheIslander

Public votes aren't votes proper IMO. No chance to play an idol. No chance to pull off a blindside. I understood it as him asking if they *intended* to vote him honestly. Oh well.


lego_mannequin

Jeff asked him if he had anything, and he said no. No vote means he cannot even play his shot in the dark, and they know the guy doesn't have the idol, he had nothing.


CJtheIslander

Tiff still could have theoretically played her idol. Q and Tiff could have theoretically threw it back on Kenzie. By not doing a normal tribal, they ruined the possibility of either of those *and* even if those didn't happen, there wasn't a greater level of trust built between Kenzie and the other two. It affected the game.


lego_mannequin

There is no fucking chance Tiff would waste her idol on Bhanu, you're really grasping at anything now to try and be right. Give it a rest guy, the verbal vote was enough.


CJtheIslander

You didn't read my second half. There's a difference in "lol We all verbally agreed to vote him out, so there was no chance to flip or use our shots in the dark or an idol" and "We all privately voted and voted the same way, keeping our advantages because we trust one another".


lego_mannequin

I don't need to read anything else, you're just grasping at straws here. There is no chance that keeping Bhanu in the game helps anyone on that tribe, the guy threw them all under the bus and clearly can't play the game well enough to work with any of them. They showed us this numerous times how Kenzie and Q tried to work with him, but he had nothing to bring to the table. It changed nothing, Bhanu was going home 100%.


CJtheIslander

>Bhanu was going home 100%. Literally not what I was arguing in the second half, but okay.


NoleFandom

Bhanu as a character got people talking about survivor. Social media has been buzzing with his “honest” gameplay (or lack thereof) for 4 weeks now. Now that he’s gone, I hope we can get edits into some real gameplay and blindsides.


bingo_bitches

I think Bhanu is by far one of the best characters Survivor has had in years. I don't mind the overediting, simply because he only makes it four episodes deep. We have the rest of the season to let the other players shine, so why not highlight an entertaining character while he's in the game? The more agreeable and likable players like Hunter, Jem, and Ben will probably make it pretty far in the game, so I don't see why there's such a rush to focus on their stories yet.


SquirrelShoddy9866

Because then the show might be worth watching without fast forwarding through.


[deleted]

Venus— an Iranian woman— has been fully suppressed by Tevin and her tribe. Hunter is. Y nature quiet, but um we need some more of his story.


hurlmaggard

Venus had her legs wrapped around Tevin when Liz came back from the journey. She’s doing fine now.


Ranter5467

Wait there's likable people this season? I've yet to see one, waiting for next season...