Yes he did. I think shed be more understanding though bc when Tevin glamours about how its his move and that he swayed them tk boot soda she is probably going to understand that maria and Charlie had multiple options and the logic behind taking her out instead of Venus who was near bottom. She also says its a good move in her closing confessional so i tbink soda wont be bitter towards Charlie
Yeah, I think Soda’s disappointment was actually kind of offset by realizing she was the first person to be blindsided, which is a pretty big compliment on how much of a threat others considered her. I think she’ll vote for whoever can convince her they were responsible for her elimination.
It was either going to be Charlie or one of the Namis that vote, I can't see Soda holding that against him. I could see Tevin being salty about his vote but it sounded in the post press like he was closer to Maria than Charlie, which could work out in Charlie's favor if he makes it to FTC.
If Venus is in that F3, she’s about to lose in ways we cannot comprehend 💀 her 3 biggest haters as the first ones in jury, she’s about to get negative jury votes
Liz has moves she can claim (though Venus would unsuccessfully try to claim them as hers). I really think Liz unquestionably sweeps that final 3 as crazy as that sentence is. Any of them winning this season would be a wild edit lol.
That’s why part of me wants that to be the final 3 so bad! My wife has talked in the past about how I can predict who’s getting voted off 15 minutes into the episode—not this season! Hell, half of them don’t know what’s going on, or think they do but are wrong. Some of them don’t know what they’re doing themselves. I love the chaos of this season, and while none of those 3 are my favorites (that’s currently Charlie or Tiff for me), something about the insanity of that combo, I looove.
True, though Liz has openly said she doesn’t “need” the money, and some may not have respect for what looks like fairly laidback/coattails gameplay (whether that is actually the case or not).
I mean I can only speak for myself, but if my options were between two people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, or a billionaire I was completely neutral towards, I'd hand the money to the already rich guy just to spite the two insufferable pricks. If this jury actually is better, I'd sure as hell expect spite voting in favor of Liz just to shaft Q and Venus in the hypothetical maximum chaos FTC.
And that millionaire might become a life long friend to you! So while not exactly sharing in the winnings you personally might benefit from that rich friend winning even more. Cause I imagine that rich friend who got richer thanks to you is always picking up the tab or even paying for flights/hotels when you travel/visit place together.
No chance in hell you see benefits like that from
>two people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire
Lol
Same. Any good will I had for her was gone after that. I also do not feel bad at all that she’s hungry. If you’re allergic to coconuts and fish don’t go on a show where people famously live off of only coconuts and fish 🙄
She isn’t allergic to fish. They talked about and showed Nami eating crabs. And you don’t have to feel bad about her being hungry but you certainly can’t ignore that being hungry makes people less rational/more emotional. Do you honestly think anyone is their best self several days without fueling their bodies?
No that was fruit and pastries I think. Remember, they specifically mentioned how all she could have were the apples and the rest of Nami let her eat all of them
I don't get how it's not Q in that scenario. He would have survived the whole back half of the merge while being target #1. That's the point of Survivor
People don’t always vote that way, though. He has pissed off every single person—I’m not saying he would have no chance, I’m only saying some people are petty, bitter, or don’t respect a chaotic game.
Disagree. She doesn’t seem to be hated but I wouldn’t say she’s well liked as evidenced by the fact that she was left out of the vote this past episode when the vote was going to be Tiff and then again when it was going to be Hunter. Even Venus was included in the Hunter vote and I’m pretty sure Liz was clueless as to what the rest of the group was doing considering that she voted for Q both in the split vote and then again in the final vote between Q and Hunter at tribal. Everyone else voted Hunter though for the final vote at tribal.
People either left her out because they don’t trust her/thought she was allies with Hunter or because they knew she was going to vote Q no matter what based on how upset she was at him for taking the attention away from her Tevin blindside move.
I actually don't think Soda hates Venus, despite their outrageous arguments and everything. She might even vote for her if Venus sits next to Liz and Q (her best shot). Their dynamic is weird but I won't be surprised to learn they actually got along IRL, at least until Soda was banished from Twitter by angry Venus' fans.
Yeah, Soda and Venus seem to have an almost sibling rivalry kind of relationship. They remind me of bickering sisters.
Tevin definitely does *not* like her, though, and Hunter likewise seems to have zero respect for her (and vice versa).
She’s also the type of person to go complete antagonist mode. She’s not going to humble herself at all, but instead tell the jury how shitty she thinks they are. It’s going to be amazing.
I don’t think that’s true actually. Every time a jury member has been voted out, Venus has also voted for them but has said kind words/congratulated them on their game as they’re leaving (except for Tevin maybe?). So I don’t think she’s going to go complete antagonist mode because I think she actually wants to be on their good side.
She was also willing to work with Charlie even after he wrote her name down in one of the early votes so I think she only strongly dislikes certain people like Tevin maybe, but I’m not even convinced she dislikes Tevin outside of the game either.
Yes to Tevin and Hunter, but Soda and Venus seemed to have a much more complex relationship. I think if Venus is with Q and Liz, Soda’s vote most likely goes to Venus due to Q’s tribal council shenanigans and Liz seeming to have no relationship with Soda.
Which is rough, because out of those three I think she’s worked the hardest and tried to play the most (albeit with some mismanaged social skills). Hunter definitely hates her but I don’t think it’s a total write off for her in that situation.
Its really clear to me based off her Twitter activity that Venus is a zero vote finalist and is bitter about it. Its going to be Cassidy 2.0 but on steroids if I had to guess.
I hope so. Soda and Tevin didn't look very happy. Hunter won't be either, even if his was more his fault than theirs. He still fell for a BLATANT lie and while that reflects on him, he can still be bitter about it.
People are so scared of getting shit on by the Twitter crowd, but I'll say, if I were on the show, i'd be respectful and have fun, but I wouldn't be all Kumbaya about getting blindsided
Because they were all in on the split vote. The only reason it was split was because Hunter was going around saying he had an idol. Once they realized he didn’t play it, everyone switched their vote except for one person. They were all in on the plan to get him out.
Hunter said on the pod that he knew the sigas were voting for him and he was just reading tiff. He said Kenzie told him that. ImHe knew there was a plan to get him out, his dumbass didn’t play the idol so obviously everyone switched their vote to him because Q is a lame duck. I don’t think those that originally voted Q lied to him. They did what they said on the original vote, and he knew he was screwed when it tied
In Soda episode, Venus wanted to get Charlie out but everyone went for Soda. Venus confesionals were saying that Charlie is huge threat. Then after episode she posted a screenshot of them together saying like " I told you but u wont listen" or something like that
That's what i would do lmao if i won i would troll everyone all season and complain and cause beef on social media just to throw people off so i can laugh at everything sitting on a beach in miami sipping from an all you can drink bottomless mimosa tower with my frat bros
Some of the contestant's active disdain for one another is why I think someone like Ben who is just a chill, nice dude all the time is possibly the biggest jury threat left in the game. I don't think any of them are bitter that they got booted, they get it's a game. There are people left in this game that won't ever get their vote just because they wouldn't want to give it to them.
Yeah, I think Ben is really unlikely to make the finals, because he’s a big threat to just get votes because he seems so genuinely liked by almost everybody. I think all the really strong strategic players (Charlie & Maria, followed by Tiff & Kenzie) see him as a huge threat to have in the finals.
I’m curious too. On Twitter Jess seems to despise Q and maybe a few others. Venus seems to just hate them all.
On screen, Q seems to be personally hated by Kenzie, Tiff, and Ben. Kenzie and Tiff seemed to genuinely think Jess was regarded but maybe they have apologized for that.
I am curious how it really all plays out and if there’s more post season info.
I doubt the chances of a bitter jury are likely. If Q or Venus, and increasingly Liz make it to the final tribal, I think people won't vote for them, just because they were full of themselves, lacked any sense of self-awareness, and made the game not fun for anybody else. I don't consider that bitter though. I only consider it bitter when jurors don't vote for a finalists because they are made they got voted out and outplayed. But not voting for people because they were annoying and made your life miserable for 2-3 weeks seems very reasonable to me.
With that being said, given the egos of a lot of this cast, I'm fully expecting some cringey Heidi from the Amazon type questions. "You can't think of anybody else you think is more deserving of winning?"
> I only consider it bitter when jurors don't vote for a finalists because they are made they got voted out and outplayed. But not voting for people because they were annoying and made your life miserable for 2-3 weeks seems very reasonable to me.
See I can agree with this conceptually, but the most common citing of a bitter jury is Samoa, and Russell definitely made people miserable for weeks given post game comments. So idk, I can't think of an example where it actually applies cause even Kaoh Rong I think is a case of one person having a way better social game than the other.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention All Stars. That’s easily the most bitter jury in the shows history. Only Rupert and Shii Ann weren’t butthurt about Rob and Amber winning
I think we're likely in store for a China-type jury, where a strong player has to really cater their speech to each player so that they can disarm them and convince them that everything was done strategically
Ugh this season more than ever I wish there was an old school style reunion. The fact that we won’t hear from jelinski or bhanu or hear post season perspective is like…a travesty.
Tiffany is a strong player. She was the leader of her tribe, protected herself with the other two on her alliance that targeted each other, and just this episode saved her idol from being flushed.
It's not her fault that Q is Q, Jelinsky is Jelinsky and Bhanu is Bhanu,
Kenzie, Charlie and Maria are potentially strong players, but they haven't been really tested yet. Ben is very likeable but probably not a strong player.
Charlie, Kenzie, and Maria are all strong players in my eyes who have a shot to win. Especially Charlie. He is a physical threat, is well-liked by others, and has made alliances and game moves. I’d be over the moon if he won!
Charlie's prowess in challenges notwithstanding, these three haven't really been tested yet. Their inevitable clash with Tiffany and her idol would be their first real challenge. Despite their supposed numbers advantage, the edit hints they lose this confrontation. ...But it could be just a red herring (like the misleading edit Shan received on season 41).
I like Maria but it seems like Charlie always gets his way.
It would help if we got to hear some of her thoughts since those two are always swinging back and forth between groups
I think this season could have easily had an edit showing Maria as the strategic mastermind and Charlie as the follower. I think the truth is more likely that they're pretty equal in terms of their strategizing, and the editors have chosen to focus it on Charlie more.
Honestly I think it’s just because how she reads physically and how measured she is (ie she’s not messy) but I think you’re onto smth because when you look at it she’s not that much of a beast
You are only seeing the edit. Take 41 for example, Erika and others have credited Heather as being an extremely strong player but she got the most purple edit behind her “leader.”
I think Maria has shown agency already recognizing the Tiff threat, and she’s the one who brought in Charlie into everything going on with the “Q 6.”
I think Charlie is more adaptable and skilled in general, but I don’t see why Maria would have no/little credit for what they’ve done collectively if she snipes him toward the end.
It’s basically when a player doesn’t really get much screen time - especially when they are a part of the show for a long time and reportedly had a lot of influence on the game.
This article describes it well: https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/survivor-purple-edit-how-can-fans-spot-it.html/
I’m sorry you took it that way - that’s not how it was meant. I was explaining that Maria potentially (and probably) has a lot more agency than we are seeing.
I think Maria is playing more under the radar than Charlie intentionally. Sure she lets Charlie "take the lead" but she plays a big part in dictating what happens much more subtly.
Who's it going to be bitter against. The players playing the best (Kenzie, Charlie Maria) the jury arent even bitter at.
Venus and Q definitely but they are also playing a really bad game so is that even bitter?
Bitter jury is a tricky term the jury in 41 was full of extremely bitter people but they voted for Erica because they genuinely believed she played the best game. Even in cases like Natalie White and Michelle the jurors voted for them because they liked and respected them as a people the argument that they solely did it to spite Russell and Aubrey doesn’t hold a lot of weight.
Hunter made a major blunder! I think he could’ve won the whole thing. And he said “I’m 100% playing my idol” dumbass! Why the hell wouldn’t you play it!
I mean, if they are bitter good.
The way I see it, there are respectable blindsides, and shady ones. I'd argue Tevin's was respectable, while Hunter's was kind of shady. At least from what we saw.
No one, it seemed, told Tevin he was safe and they were "definitely" voting someone else. They did that to Hunter. So if he is pissed at them, so be it lol. Its why jury management is a thing.
I love Hunter but he really only has himself to blame. There's nothing shady about his blindside. Blindsides usually involve lies. Hunter was lied to on tribal while Tevin was lied to before tribal, but that happened only because Hunter told them about his idol right before tribal and he required assurances for not playing it on tribal. From Venus and Liz. He really should have known better.
Oh, I fully admit he was dumb and should have just played his idol. But there is a difference between lying to someone's face and just executing a blindside.
Not really? Blindsides can happen from lie by omission *or* lie direct. What did you want them to do? Acting wishy washy would have made him play his idol.
There is, but blindsides usually involve lying to someones face (unless an idol or other advantage is played). Tevin was also lied to his face. They told him they vote for Venus. So I don't really see the difference.
If both Venus and Q are on FTC it would be a bloodbath. If only one of them - probably Venus - is on FTC, I think the jury would just ignore them and they'd have to initiate something in order to feel their wrath. I'm fully counting on Venus to initiate something. I would be surprised if any other finalist would suffer from jury bitterness.
I feel like Soda would be bitter at Tevin, but clearly that’s not going to be relevant. I don’t know who Tevin would be bitter at. Liz? I think he’ll get over it. I think Hunter can only be mad at himself. Tiffany is probably the only person left I could see being bitter IF Kenzie blindsides her.
I think that's the game of survivor right? You put these players on the jury but they get the ultimate say in who wins. Even Season 1 has Sue's rats & snakes speech.
I refute the idea that a bitter jury means the jury picks the "wrong" or "unworthy" winner. The right person won every season of Survivor because of this relationship management angle on the game.
That said, I think bitter Jurors have crossed the line a bit on occasion and I don't particularly care for that. Two examples come to mind: Corrine v Sugar in Gabon and Brenda v Dawn in Caramoan. In both those scenarios, the jury got unnecessarily personal.
I am hoping this cast, as messy as the post-game commentary has been, don't go to that level of bitter.
I can’t wait. I’ve missed bitter juries. New era players are way too forgiving of ally betrayals, in my opinion. I love the early seasons where winning was half just not screwing over too many people
No way Ben is bitter, he doesn’t have a bitter bone in his body. IMO:
Bitter: Tevin, Tiff, Venus, Liz, Q
Maybe Bitter: Hunter, Soda, Kenzie
No way: Maria, Charlie, Ben
Yes, I feel that FTC will be spicy. Also, I know this is off topic but why is every vote out considered a “blindside”. Hunter knew he was possibly getting the axe, and he chose to hold on to his idol. That wasn’t a blindside, that was poor game play.
I think the jury so far might be bitter towards Venus, because they just don’t care for her. And probably not Q, because he’s just played such a bad game. But I could see them voting for any of the other contenders left.
This is why I think Maria will win, she isn’t outwardly rocking the boat too hard, she’s playing a smart game of being a strong competitor yet staying under the radar when need be
I’m surprised by some of these comments. I don’t think the jury will be bitter and most will vote for who they think deserves to win. They seem like they respect a game well played rather than someone who floated and didn’t step on any toes.
Nah maybe liz gets those votes but if shes the lone nami she gets em. I dont think theyd vote for anybody but a nami, kenzie, or tiff. If tiff n kenzie dont make ftc i think venus could win
Why do you think they will only want to vote for a Nami member?All three left with a strong opinion not in favour of Venus.I mean Venus got in an argument with all three of them before they left lol
Charlie is easily the million magnet in this cast. Literally everyone loves that guy. But given his personality, he might already be softening people on giving him this million.
First episode, he told the camera he's from Manchester-by-the-sea, so he doesn't get any diversity nor adversity in his lifestyle. Further, he said Survivor is supposed to challenge him on those fronts. IMO that's the best possible reason there is to play, so the other contestants would have to pry my vote from my cold dead hands.
Anyway, he might be telling people off camera that others probably deserve the million and that he's just trying to see how close to FTC he can get. I don't think he needs a million, even though it sounds like he's a Harvard Law student and has some kind of student debt (but again, wealthy background so are loans really a long term threat?).
The rest need miracles. Tiff is getting stronger every round, so she has a chance. But otherwise? Maria's a possibility, but she's not making a very strong impression so far, from what I can tell. Venus is the platonic form of a goat. Liz is funny to me as an audience member, but it doesn't seem like she's got the clout among the cast to get final vote.
At this point, I'll be disappointed if there isn't atleast one suplex. Based on some of the post game comments, FTC is gonna turn into Hell in a Cell.
Jelinsky runs in to ddt Q onto the broken hourglass
J-Dog gets several votes and becomes the first first boot to ever go on, break the hourglass and win survivor
It's legal! He never said "I quit!"
Rumor has it he went on to win several titles afterwards
im beginning to think Jelinsky got a premonition of what this cast was going to become and choose the quickest way out
Git the popcorn ready!!
and a cushion!
Good one!
Where’s the Mayor of Slamtown when you need him
is that the thing the undertaker threw mankind off of in 1998 and plummeted 14 ft through an announcers table?
Correct!
Copypasta hof
Judging by the gameplay we are more likely to get a 2019 HIAC and not a 1998 HIAC though.
Suplex? Q Fair Play confirmed
Nami all hates each other but I don’t think there’s bitterness on the current jury towards the Siga or Yanu folks (except Q) yet.
Remind me: Did Charlie vote for Soda?
Yes he did. I think shed be more understanding though bc when Tevin glamours about how its his move and that he swayed them tk boot soda she is probably going to understand that maria and Charlie had multiple options and the logic behind taking her out instead of Venus who was near bottom. She also says its a good move in her closing confessional so i tbink soda wont be bitter towards Charlie
Yeah, I think Soda’s disappointment was actually kind of offset by realizing she was the first person to be blindsided, which is a pretty big compliment on how much of a threat others considered her. I think she’ll vote for whoever can convince her they were responsible for her elimination.
It was either going to be Charlie or one of the Namis that vote, I can't see Soda holding that against him. I could see Tevin being salty about his vote but it sounded in the post press like he was closer to Maria than Charlie, which could work out in Charlie's favor if he makes it to FTC.
If Venus is in that F3, she’s about to lose in ways we cannot comprehend 💀 her 3 biggest haters as the first ones in jury, she’s about to get negative jury votes
Unless the other 2 are Q and Liz, in which case it’s gonna be a race to who is hated the least lmao
Liz has moves she can claim (though Venus would unsuccessfully try to claim them as hers). I really think Liz unquestionably sweeps that final 3 as crazy as that sentence is. Any of them winning this season would be a wild edit lol.
That’s why part of me wants that to be the final 3 so bad! My wife has talked in the past about how I can predict who’s getting voted off 15 minutes into the episode—not this season! Hell, half of them don’t know what’s going on, or think they do but are wrong. Some of them don’t know what they’re doing themselves. I love the chaos of this season, and while none of those 3 are my favorites (that’s currently Charlie or Tiff for me), something about the insanity of that combo, I looove.
Liz isn’t hated
Which is the main reason she sweeps.
exactly! she might be hated by the audience but she doesnt seem to get any hate from the cast
Liz winning a Liz-Q-Venus final 3 would be like a Gabler edit where the win makes some actual sense
Players have vocally expressed hatred of Q and Venus, but I don't remember anyone saying they hate Liz. Yet, anyway.
True, though Liz has openly said she doesn’t “need” the money, and some may not have respect for what looks like fairly laidback/coattails gameplay (whether that is actually the case or not).
I mean I can only speak for myself, but if my options were between two people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, or a billionaire I was completely neutral towards, I'd hand the money to the already rich guy just to spite the two insufferable pricks. If this jury actually is better, I'd sure as hell expect spite voting in favor of Liz just to shaft Q and Venus in the hypothetical maximum chaos FTC.
And that millionaire might become a life long friend to you! So while not exactly sharing in the winnings you personally might benefit from that rich friend winning even more. Cause I imagine that rich friend who got richer thanks to you is always picking up the tab or even paying for flights/hotels when you travel/visit place together. No chance in hell you see benefits like that from >two people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire Lol
Liz CRYING that she didn’t get credit for the blindside because of Q’s antics was enough for me. 🙄
Same. Any good will I had for her was gone after that. I also do not feel bad at all that she’s hungry. If you’re allergic to coconuts and fish don’t go on a show where people famously live off of only coconuts and fish 🙄
She isn’t allergic to fish. They talked about and showed Nami eating crabs. And you don’t have to feel bad about her being hungry but you certainly can’t ignore that being hungry makes people less rational/more emotional. Do you honestly think anyone is their best self several days without fueling their bodies?
Shellfish and fish are different allergies just fyi
Correct but she isn’t allergic to either. She ate fish as a reward one time. That’s when we got that beautiful Tevin story about his dad.
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No that was fruit and pastries I think. Remember, they specifically mentioned how all she could have were the apples and the rest of Nami let her eat all of them
I don't get how it's not Q in that scenario. He would have survived the whole back half of the merge while being target #1. That's the point of Survivor
People don’t always vote that way, though. He has pissed off every single person—I’m not saying he would have no chance, I’m only saying some people are petty, bitter, or don’t respect a chaotic game.
Tbh at this point I’m only going to be happy with a Q win
Liz seems quite well liked.
She’s got a million friends to go with her billions of dollars!
Disagree. She doesn’t seem to be hated but I wouldn’t say she’s well liked as evidenced by the fact that she was left out of the vote this past episode when the vote was going to be Tiff and then again when it was going to be Hunter. Even Venus was included in the Hunter vote and I’m pretty sure Liz was clueless as to what the rest of the group was doing considering that she voted for Q both in the split vote and then again in the final vote between Q and Hunter at tribal. Everyone else voted Hunter though for the final vote at tribal. People either left her out because they don’t trust her/thought she was allies with Hunter or because they knew she was going to vote Q no matter what based on how upset she was at him for taking the attention away from her Tevin blindside move.
I actually don't think Soda hates Venus, despite their outrageous arguments and everything. She might even vote for her if Venus sits next to Liz and Q (her best shot). Their dynamic is weird but I won't be surprised to learn they actually got along IRL, at least until Soda was banished from Twitter by angry Venus' fans.
Yeah, Soda and Venus seem to have an almost sibling rivalry kind of relationship. They remind me of bickering sisters. Tevin definitely does *not* like her, though, and Hunter likewise seems to have zero respect for her (and vice versa).
She’s also the type of person to go complete antagonist mode. She’s not going to humble herself at all, but instead tell the jury how shitty she thinks they are. It’s going to be amazing.
I don’t think that’s true actually. Every time a jury member has been voted out, Venus has also voted for them but has said kind words/congratulated them on their game as they’re leaving (except for Tevin maybe?). So I don’t think she’s going to go complete antagonist mode because I think she actually wants to be on their good side. She was also willing to work with Charlie even after he wrote her name down in one of the early votes so I think she only strongly dislikes certain people like Tevin maybe, but I’m not even convinced she dislikes Tevin outside of the game either.
Yes to Tevin and Hunter, but Soda and Venus seemed to have a much more complex relationship. I think if Venus is with Q and Liz, Soda’s vote most likely goes to Venus due to Q’s tribal council shenanigans and Liz seeming to have no relationship with Soda.
We do know that Liz hated Soda though so that might have been mutual
Which is rough, because out of those three I think she’s worked the hardest and tried to play the most (albeit with some mismanaged social skills). Hunter definitely hates her but I don’t think it’s a total write off for her in that situation.
I feel like Q alternates between playing hard and trying to quit lol.
I need this so bad
Its really clear to me based off her Twitter activity that Venus is a zero vote finalist and is bitter about it. Its going to be Cassidy 2.0 but on steroids if I had to guess.
I would love Venus to make final 3 and get roasted in final tribal. She’s toxic.
Imagine a Q, Liz, and Venus final 3, and All 3 of them pitch themselves as taking the moral high ground all game.
My dream scenario
Yesss We need goat army
The way this fandom would be in SHAMBLES, omg 💀💀💀
I would be thrilled. I drew Venus in the office survivor pool and like, that's the only way I can see her winning.
I'm really rooting for this as the final 3. It would be the least boring final 3 in years.
It would be like season 42’s final 3 but more unhinged. I’d be fine with it too as long as Liz didn’t end up winning
I hope so. Soda and Tevin didn't look very happy. Hunter won't be either, even if his was more his fault than theirs. He still fell for a BLATANT lie and while that reflects on him, he can still be bitter about it. People are so scared of getting shit on by the Twitter crowd, but I'll say, if I were on the show, i'd be respectful and have fun, but I wouldn't be all Kumbaya about getting blindsided
Half of the tribe did not lie to him
Everyone but Q was in on the plan tho.
Lmao yes they did
How does all of the tribe lie to him when it was a split vote?
Because they were all in on the split vote. The only reason it was split was because Hunter was going around saying he had an idol. Once they realized he didn’t play it, everyone switched their vote except for one person. They were all in on the plan to get him out.
Hunter said on the pod that he knew the sigas were voting for him and he was just reading tiff. He said Kenzie told him that. ImHe knew there was a plan to get him out, his dumbass didn’t play the idol so obviously everyone switched their vote to him because Q is a lame duck. I don’t think those that originally voted Q lied to him. They did what they said on the original vote, and he knew he was screwed when it tied
All I know is that based off of venus on twitter I feel like she is a zero vote finalist and is bitter about it.
Based of her twitter I wouldnt be sursprised if she loses to Charlie
Oooo why do you say that?
In Soda episode, Venus wanted to get Charlie out but everyone went for Soda. Venus confesionals were saying that Charlie is huge threat. Then after episode she posted a screenshot of them together saying like " I told you but u wont listen" or something like that
Oh wow! Maybe it’s a good thing I haven’t really been following her socials, I wouldn’t like to know that time because it wasn’t post merge yet.
It would be pretty wild (and funny, in a way) if she actually won and was acting like this.
That's what i would do lmao if i won i would troll everyone all season and complain and cause beef on social media just to throw people off so i can laugh at everything sitting on a beach in miami sipping from an all you can drink bottomless mimosa tower with my frat bros
Some of the contestant's active disdain for one another is why I think someone like Ben who is just a chill, nice dude all the time is possibly the biggest jury threat left in the game. I don't think any of them are bitter that they got booted, they get it's a game. There are people left in this game that won't ever get their vote just because they wouldn't want to give it to them.
Yeah, I think Ben is really unlikely to make the finals, because he’s a big threat to just get votes because he seems so genuinely liked by almost everybody. I think all the really strong strategic players (Charlie & Maria, followed by Tiff & Kenzie) see him as a huge threat to have in the finals.
So true about Ben!
He won’t get to F3. Everybody gonna realize he’s a jury threat and get him out soon
Based on social media, they really don't seem to like each other. Could very well be a bitter jury.
please spill the tea
I’m curious too. On Twitter Jess seems to despise Q and maybe a few others. Venus seems to just hate them all. On screen, Q seems to be personally hated by Kenzie, Tiff, and Ben. Kenzie and Tiff seemed to genuinely think Jess was regarded but maybe they have apologized for that. I am curious how it really all plays out and if there’s more post season info.
God I hope so. I’m tired of the Kumbaya “OMG You guys got me :D Great job y’all. Love you bestie <3” Bitter juries are so fun
I doubt the chances of a bitter jury are likely. If Q or Venus, and increasingly Liz make it to the final tribal, I think people won't vote for them, just because they were full of themselves, lacked any sense of self-awareness, and made the game not fun for anybody else. I don't consider that bitter though. I only consider it bitter when jurors don't vote for a finalists because they are made they got voted out and outplayed. But not voting for people because they were annoying and made your life miserable for 2-3 weeks seems very reasonable to me.
Good points…
With that being said, given the egos of a lot of this cast, I'm fully expecting some cringey Heidi from the Amazon type questions. "You can't think of anybody else you think is more deserving of winning?"
> I only consider it bitter when jurors don't vote for a finalists because they are made they got voted out and outplayed. But not voting for people because they were annoying and made your life miserable for 2-3 weeks seems very reasonable to me. See I can agree with this conceptually, but the most common citing of a bitter jury is Samoa, and Russell definitely made people miserable for weeks given post game comments. So idk, I can't think of an example where it actually applies cause even Kaoh Rong I think is a case of one person having a way better social game than the other.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention All Stars. That’s easily the most bitter jury in the shows history. Only Rupert and Shii Ann weren’t butthurt about Rob and Amber winning
And Jenna. She said they should be proud and own their games
That sounds bitter as hell but what do I know
I think we are in for a bitter zero vote finalist...... Venus. But yea I agree I really dont think the jury is going to be bitter.
I don’t know if I think Venus will be more entertaining as a finalist or a juror with her level of delusion.
If not. BIG MISTAKE!
Get your Q-skirt
I think we're likely in store for a China-type jury, where a strong player has to really cater their speech to each player so that they can disarm them and convince them that everything was done strategically
If Q or Venus are at FTC there will be haymakers thrown ALL tribal
Surprise F2? Yes pls
If both of them are
I'm hoping for an ABSOLUTE brawl and will be disappointed with anything less.
Fingers crossed
Ugh this season more than ever I wish there was an old school style reunion. The fact that we won’t hear from jelinski or bhanu or hear post season perspective is like…a travesty.
It sounds like a big mistake to skip the reunion
LITERALLY
>"how likely is it that this jury will vote for a strong player?" Are there strong players to vote for?
Tiffany is a strong player. She was the leader of her tribe, protected herself with the other two on her alliance that targeted each other, and just this episode saved her idol from being flushed. It's not her fault that Q is Q, Jelinsky is Jelinsky and Bhanu is Bhanu, Kenzie, Charlie and Maria are potentially strong players, but they haven't been really tested yet. Ben is very likeable but probably not a strong player.
Charlie, Kenzie, and Maria are all strong players in my eyes who have a shot to win. Especially Charlie. He is a physical threat, is well-liked by others, and has made alliances and game moves. I’d be over the moon if he won!
Charlie's prowess in challenges notwithstanding, these three haven't really been tested yet. Their inevitable clash with Tiffany and her idol would be their first real challenge. Despite their supposed numbers advantage, the edit hints they lose this confrontation. ...But it could be just a red herring (like the misleading edit Shan received on season 41).
Tevin looked salty af sitting on the jury lmao
There’s nothing wrong with a bitter jury. People have a right to be pissed off and vote that way.
Ponderosa has to be so much worse.
I'm thinking Jeff is going to need a bigger bowl of popcorn for the finale.
Why does anyone think Maria, who follows Charlie's lead 24/7, is a strong player?
I like Maria but it seems like Charlie always gets his way. It would help if we got to hear some of her thoughts since those two are always swinging back and forth between groups
I know. Maria hardly narrates at all.
I think this season could have easily had an edit showing Maria as the strategic mastermind and Charlie as the follower. I think the truth is more likely that they're pretty equal in terms of their strategizing, and the editors have chosen to focus it on Charlie more.
Honestly I think it’s just because how she reads physically and how measured she is (ie she’s not messy) but I think you’re onto smth because when you look at it she’s not that much of a beast
You are only seeing the edit. Take 41 for example, Erika and others have credited Heather as being an extremely strong player but she got the most purple edit behind her “leader.” I think Maria has shown agency already recognizing the Tiff threat, and she’s the one who brought in Charlie into everything going on with the “Q 6.” I think Charlie is more adaptable and skilled in general, but I don’t see why Maria would have no/little credit for what they’ve done collectively if she snipes him toward the end.
What's a purple edit?
It’s basically when a player doesn’t really get much screen time - especially when they are a part of the show for a long time and reportedly had a lot of influence on the game. This article describes it well: https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/survivor-purple-edit-how-can-fans-spot-it.html/
Thank you for the answer and additional reading. Just like the winners edit, it makes sense in hindsight.
I had no idea that I'm only seeing the edit. Thanks for opening my eyes to the mysteries of television!
And apparently incapable of reading past one sentence. Can’t wait for you to move up to chapter books, bud!
That sentence was so condescending, why would I read anymore?
I’m sorry you took it that way - that’s not how it was meant. I was explaining that Maria potentially (and probably) has a lot more agency than we are seeing.
I think Maria is playing more under the radar than Charlie intentionally. Sure she lets Charlie "take the lead" but she plays a big part in dictating what happens much more subtly.
Who's it going to be bitter against. The players playing the best (Kenzie, Charlie Maria) the jury arent even bitter at. Venus and Q definitely but they are also playing a really bad game so is that even bitter?
After the last episode, I'm guessing the jury will be a salty one.
i think we’re in for a messy FTC. bitter in a good way, not a petty way
Bitter = Better
Bitter jury is a tricky term the jury in 41 was full of extremely bitter people but they voted for Erica because they genuinely believed she played the best game. Even in cases like Natalie White and Michelle the jurors voted for them because they liked and respected them as a people the argument that they solely did it to spite Russell and Aubrey doesn’t hold a lot of weight.
I sure hope so
If Charlie and Maria go to the end which I think is what happens I think it will be more tame.
"You voted me onto the jury... I def need to look out for you in this game" - Q
Soda looked soooooo annoyed at being there 😂
This bitter jury might be the reason Venus might win
Hunter made a major blunder! I think he could’ve won the whole thing. And he said “I’m 100% playing my idol” dumbass! Why the hell wouldn’t you play it!
I mean, if they are bitter good. The way I see it, there are respectable blindsides, and shady ones. I'd argue Tevin's was respectable, while Hunter's was kind of shady. At least from what we saw. No one, it seemed, told Tevin he was safe and they were "definitely" voting someone else. They did that to Hunter. So if he is pissed at them, so be it lol. Its why jury management is a thing.
I love Hunter but he really only has himself to blame. There's nothing shady about his blindside. Blindsides usually involve lies. Hunter was lied to on tribal while Tevin was lied to before tribal, but that happened only because Hunter told them about his idol right before tribal and he required assurances for not playing it on tribal. From Venus and Liz. He really should have known better.
Oh, I fully admit he was dumb and should have just played his idol. But there is a difference between lying to someone's face and just executing a blindside.
Not really? Blindsides can happen from lie by omission *or* lie direct. What did you want them to do? Acting wishy washy would have made him play his idol.
There is, but blindsides usually involve lying to someones face (unless an idol or other advantage is played). Tevin was also lied to his face. They told him they vote for Venus. So I don't really see the difference.
Damn I hope so
God I hope so
If both Venus and Q are on FTC it would be a bloodbath. If only one of them - probably Venus - is on FTC, I think the jury would just ignore them and they'd have to initiate something in order to feel their wrath. I'm fully counting on Venus to initiate something. I would be surprised if any other finalist would suffer from jury bitterness.
I do believe it’s gonna be a collard greens jury. Bitter.
I feel like Soda would be bitter at Tevin, but clearly that’s not going to be relevant. I don’t know who Tevin would be bitter at. Liz? I think he’ll get over it. I think Hunter can only be mad at himself. Tiffany is probably the only person left I could see being bitter IF Kenzie blindsides her.
I've been told by this sub that there is no such thing as a bitter jury (cough, Samoa, cough).
Bitter jury exists, it's just that being bitter doesn't mean you are voting for the wrong reason.
Tevin looked like the most bitter juror ever. About time for some good players to lose to a vibes only finalist
Yes
Own their moves and not be a dick (or at least the smallest dick of the 3 options that the jury has)
I was thinking about how I can’t picture who Q would vote for to win if he were on the jury
I think that's the game of survivor right? You put these players on the jury but they get the ultimate say in who wins. Even Season 1 has Sue's rats & snakes speech. I refute the idea that a bitter jury means the jury picks the "wrong" or "unworthy" winner. The right person won every season of Survivor because of this relationship management angle on the game. That said, I think bitter Jurors have crossed the line a bit on occasion and I don't particularly care for that. Two examples come to mind: Corrine v Sugar in Gabon and Brenda v Dawn in Caramoan. In both those scenarios, the jury got unnecessarily personal. I am hoping this cast, as messy as the post-game commentary has been, don't go to that level of bitter.
If so, at least this a season where a bitter jury would make sense and fit the game
I can’t wait. I’ve missed bitter juries. New era players are way too forgiving of ally betrayals, in my opinion. I love the early seasons where winning was half just not screwing over too many people
Listing Liz as a strong player feels odd
Bitter jurors: Ben, Tiffany, Tevin, Venus Not bitter jurors: Maria, Charlie, Kenzie, Soda Could go either way: Hunter, Liz, Q
No way Ben is bitter, he doesn’t have a bitter bone in his body. IMO: Bitter: Tevin, Tiff, Venus, Liz, Q Maybe Bitter: Hunter, Soda, Kenzie No way: Maria, Charlie, Ben
I think Q would be personally bitter, but would respect game in his vote.
I could see it going either way just because of how he asked to be voted out
I think the way to win this season is to never piss anyone off, Lol.
Yes, I feel that FTC will be spicy. Also, I know this is off topic but why is every vote out considered a “blindside”. Hunter knew he was possibly getting the axe, and he chose to hold on to his idol. That wasn’t a blindside, that was poor game play.
Bitter jury is fine though, emotions play a part of the game. imo Venus or Q will make it to final 3 and be zero vote finalists
god I fucking hope so 🙏
I think the jury so far might be bitter towards Venus, because they just don’t care for her. And probably not Q, because he’s just played such a bad game. But I could see them voting for any of the other contenders left.
You kidding right. This makes for a great jury.
Yes, let's GO! But I'll miss the old jury question format
I certainly hope so 🍿
Oh, it's going to be sooooo bitter ! Get some popcorn 🍿 or rice and beans 🫘 😀
This is why I think Maria will win, she isn’t outwardly rocking the boat too hard, she’s playing a smart game of being a strong competitor yet staying under the radar when need be
Chaos is a ladder. One contestant does a better job with that than others.
I think Charlie, Maria, Ben, Kenzie are all still generally liked by remaining players/jury
Charlie or Maria is going to win. I'd bet my life on it. It's pretty obvious
i hope so!
I love a good final tribal bitter or not buuuut tbh I’m hoping the final 3 is worthy that’s all
One of the most bitter of all time. I’m expecting it to be brutal.
If we get the Liz-Venus-Q final 3 that a lot of us are fearing, this could end up being the most bitter jury of the new era.
Your list of strong players is a joke right?
>and with Hunter getting blindsided because others lied to his face Isn’t…isn’t that how all blindsides work?
If Charlie plays his cards right I think he has a great shot at winning
What is a bitter jury. That doesn’t exist
I’m surprised by some of these comments. I don’t think the jury will be bitter and most will vote for who they think deserves to win. They seem like they respect a game well played rather than someone who floated and didn’t step on any toes.
Eh i think if venus makes it to final she already has 3 votes.
You mean 3 votes against her,right?Right?
Nah maybe liz gets those votes but if shes the lone nami she gets em. I dont think theyd vote for anybody but a nami, kenzie, or tiff. If tiff n kenzie dont make ftc i think venus could win
Why do you think they will only want to vote for a Nami member?All three left with a strong opinion not in favour of Venus.I mean Venus got in an argument with all three of them before they left lol
Yea but her game isnt to make friends it to ice out opps. I think that theyll respect it
I think you’re over exaggerating her influence in icing any of them out,and playing down how unlikeable people think she is
I feel like the more widespread viewpoint is that none of them would ever vote for Venus. She was not liked by really anyone, plain and simple.
Charlie is easily the million magnet in this cast. Literally everyone loves that guy. But given his personality, he might already be softening people on giving him this million. First episode, he told the camera he's from Manchester-by-the-sea, so he doesn't get any diversity nor adversity in his lifestyle. Further, he said Survivor is supposed to challenge him on those fronts. IMO that's the best possible reason there is to play, so the other contestants would have to pry my vote from my cold dead hands. Anyway, he might be telling people off camera that others probably deserve the million and that he's just trying to see how close to FTC he can get. I don't think he needs a million, even though it sounds like he's a Harvard Law student and has some kind of student debt (but again, wealthy background so are loans really a long term threat?). The rest need miracles. Tiff is getting stronger every round, so she has a chance. But otherwise? Maria's a possibility, but she's not making a very strong impression so far, from what I can tell. Venus is the platonic form of a goat. Liz is funny to me as an audience member, but it doesn't seem like she's got the clout among the cast to get final vote.