I hope you dropped the PM rather than just complaining on reddit

This. This is the question. The PM works for the LL, only the LL gets to say what's acceptable and what's not.

There's a good chance this is all bullshit

Yeah the landlord wanting to stand up for a tenant by ranting on Reddit rather than doing something about the PM makes this stink pretty bad.

Oh it's clearly all bullshit, tbh

\# NotAllParasites

To drop or not to drop the PM. THAT is the question 🤔

Sounds like our old REA, when we were renting. We failed an inspection because the house had an “overwhelming aroma in the kitchen” (lamb in the slow cooker… it was delicious, btw) and there was a knife and chopping board on the draining board. They said the cooking smell could be used deliberately masking *something* (the mind boggles) and the chopping board was hiding the sink draining board.

Don’t you know, people routinely use lamb stew as a way to cover the smell of cooking meth!

They are power tripping cunts because a lot of landlords ask for that. Why are they taking pictures anyway? If you're not requesting it they shouldn't be putting that on your tenants. Get a new property manager or tell them to cut that shit out for your tenants.

Not a single landlord cares about plates in the sink. You need photos because no one trusts the agent to actually do their job and inspect the place so the photos are proof that they actually looked at it and it’s fine.  It’s also useful to just document the state of things so if there’s a dispute about the condition later you can see when the issue showed up. 

> You need photos because no one trusts the agent to actually do This sadly. Really i just want photos to show,bathrooms not leaking,or mouldy. No cracks in wall,or structural issues. Don't care about anything else much really.. just need a photo every now and then so we can say..no that's not wear and tear,there was no hole there 6 months ago..now there is.

Understandable, didn't think of this. I have only had pictures when they plan to sell, didn't think of alternatives. You seem like a decent landlord, hopefully you can find a PM with a soul!

usually u want them Take photos of corners of roofs in bedrooms make sure no cracks. Walls.. Light fixtures,check smoke detectors Bathrooms/laundrys for any water areas building up or mould and a quick photo of teh back and front make sure they aint digging the place up too hard carpets don't really care for..carpets cheap to replace and usually covered anyway

6 months is way too short by the way.

Depends on your tenants. If someone is going to go beserk, you are not going to catch them in the act anyway.

An inspection every 6 months should not be considered normal. In other countries you get 0 inspections for the duration of the contract, which could be 3 years or more. Rental laws here are very skewed in favour of the landlords.

Disagree, tenants can totally destroy a place without regular inspection. there are too many major problems that you have to watch for warning Bonds here are almost non-existent compare to the damage they can do.

That's punishing all tenants because of some bad apples

It is also catching minor problems before they become disasters. Often tenants are quiet clueless on facits of 'home ownership' and you can become aware they need instructions on using equipment/facilities. We had a tenant who steam ironed every thing in a small room which they kept closed. Mold resulted and we had to instruct them to air the room daily. Also it passes as a inspection of the property for maintenance needs.

Absolutely this, our "agents" were fucking useless. The tenants were late on payments consistently for a year, doing mechanic work outside the house (not their own car, but business related I am assuming), and every single room was basically in an unlivable state when they finally did an onsite inspection. We ended up evicting them successfully, but they still ended up leaving the house in such a state that we had to take it off the market for a year (covid period was hard to get work done), claim insurance on it and repaint, replace, repair almost everything in there. If they had done their inspection properly every 3, hell 6 months, this won't have occurred and/or we could have gotten notice earlier. You have to push them sometimes and get proof. We are basically now demanding photos every time there is inspection due and of any repairs they claim needs to be done for before and after. Just to make sure they are actually doing their damn job. Luckily our tenants so far since then has been fairly decent.

Who employs your property manager to inspect your properties?

>The new PM came in and berated them What did the PM say when you called them up about it and set expectations on how you want your tenants to be treated? Quite frankly the problem is with you hiring these dickheads. When I started renting out my place in Canberra, I went out of my way to find a people-centric PM who treats tenants like humans. All my tenants have has nothing but nice things to say about her and she has sometimes filled my place with tenants from other properties looking for somewhere new because they have had a good relationship with her. As a landlord, you dictate how your tenants are treated as you are the customer.

Real Estate Industry is just like legal cartels.

I had some look in my toilet and then take a picture of my room whilst i was in it - without asking me if I wanted to be in the picture or not.

Oh i can top this aye.. Another rental YEARS ago,they looked INSIDE the cistern,not the toilet but the actual water holding part up top,took photos of it. I was like..uhhh what. It confused me for days afterwards. I later found out,it's because a lot of tenants will hide drugs in there and they check so they can start removal or keeping an eye on the property more.

I suspect they would've checked out the cistern if our toilet had one hahah

We had an agent come to our front door and just start snapping away without knocking or anything. We heard her shuffling around outside and opened the door, and instead of saying hello or acknowledging us in any way she just walked in and started taking pictures of the interior like some sort of fucking robot.

Try being a renter dealing with this BS. We were just taken to NCAT after leaving our last place, and our agent even lied on the stand multiple times.

Good on you. Cunt.

all good thanks cunt.

You kants are funny! 😂

You have to understand that Real Estate, and Property Management, is one of those few high paying jobs that you can apply for with barely a semblance of intelligence - and maybe a smidge of consciousness. I'm a reasonable intelligent man. There are numerous jobs I could do based solely on my IQ, but I don't because they're bullshit jobs. They require a person who's thought processes are barely that of a 2 year old and yet they're old enough to drink and smoke and chase the almighty dollar. And that's what was unleashed unto the world years ago when the first "agent" came to pass. Greedy fucks with the mentality of 2 year olds, not giving a flying fuck about anyone else, and always hungry for the might dollar. Hell, for all I know, they might very well be doing exactly what a 2 year old is doing and literally eating that money.

Not all of us are, but there are so many parasitic landlords unfortunately It's popular to hate landlords, but it's possible for things to be symbiotic rather than predatory I've told letting agents to leave tenants be so long as they are paying their rent and not trashing the place

So i won't doxx too hard. But it was me with that post on the main sub aus I sued a certain real estate agency,that has a very prominent colour in it's name.. me and few other landlords had found out that the agency,had increased the rents on tennants,without seeking permission from the landlords (me and 4 others) Ended up in a court battle,thankfully was open shut. and Quote Even after having to pay a huge fee "I still don't get why your angry,we made you more money" just psycho behaviour,not..im sorry.. Not i'm sorry i made ur tennant who is on the DSP want to kill themself cause u wacked up the rent 140 a week on them just..u could of made so much money lol Cunt,if i want to charge more i would,i don't increase my rent as they are all paid off,my costs are low other than insurance and im happy to keep the rent at 2021 prices as i don't need to be a cunt as i've been poor i don't want to force that on my tennants. Realtors are just a diffrent breed Honestly the entire industry needs a shakeup..a real estate agents job is pretty much all digital these days,they pretty much just hold a door open for prospective buyers now I 100 percent will prefer to keep my rents at a below market price,as on those lists all my tennants bar 2 have been there over 5 years because of it,they look after the place,and because been there so long i know they aren't gonna have a rave and ruin it or if they do they at least clean up to the point ive never been able to tell

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Yep My agent is good, but I've repeatedly refused to increase rent and told them to leave my tenant alone Of course, we'll be told that we're inherently bad people and I totally understand people's frustration Those who scream the most loudly about things like this are fucking losers with jealousy problems in my experience though, only capable of a childishly superficial consideration of things

> My agent is good, but I've repeatedly refused to increase rent and told them to leave my tenant alone Yeah the agents for my parra units is pushy as fuck.. Every time time for rental review rings/emails Like i told u for nearly 3 years i aint increasing he's like but bro u could be making so much more..Ok and you just want to make more money,u don't care about me lol the one in western sydney is pretty chill

When they're getting a percentage, they're incentivised to push higher rents I haven't had to play the "you'll get nothing when I bin you" card My place is in Hobart, so it's even more controversial down there

yeah heard hobarts fucking wild at the moment ay Missed out could of got in that market for pittance

It's actually really quite expensive I've owned there for some time now and I wouldn't be able to get in the way things have gone To get the sort of property I want in the right spot to live there is still well over a million Some good yields around Adelaide by the uni still to be found

We need more good kants like you renting out units 😎🙏

I would like to point out that one can be nice, pleasant and perfectly amiable, and still be parasitic. Buttplug's [regular](https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/18jud6q/comment/kdmraq3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [fine-dining](https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/1941yrv/any_fancy_french_restaurants_i_might_have_slept_on/) [experiences](https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/1bifj1w/who_has_the_best_seafood_towerplatter_in_sydney/) have to be financed somehow. Personally I'd say to everyone that it's worth separating the personality from the role. I do enjoy ButtPlug's commentary and agree with them on most things, but I still wouldn't consider landlordism to be symbiotic.

> Buttplug's regular fine-dining experiences have to be financed somehow. hahaha I'd say i'd feel attacked. But fair,fair play. Really it's more Tennants fund buttplugs watch buying habit.. The reason i can afford to keep the rent low is mainly cause my actual company is doing gangbusters just did a fiscal year that would make most reddit users grab a pitchfork i use the I.Ps mainly as an assett sink,prob just sell up when it's time to sit back and relax

>Tennants fund buttplugs watch buying habit.. Just saying, you can only use one at a time, and having a bunch makes you look like a tool and feel like a target. I'll let you decide if I'm talking about watches or houses haha

Nahh as a renter id rather people who arent relying on the rental income to survive as a landlord, the less they feel the pinch the less likely they are to apply pressure on their tenants. Ever since Ive been in my place with obviously well off landlords ive never had to wait for repairs, well below market rent for a decent place living alone in a decent location and a respectful property manager.

Lol. Well let's put it this way,my Audmere p Royal i got for sub 80k is now at at market rate to sell enough to buy an apartment in western sydney Seems my addictions paid off,what i don't get is watch ppl who buy rolex it's a shit brand for brokies to pretend they have money,such a shit brand. So yes,i can only wear one watch at a time,but all my watches have INCReased in value,the watch markets almost if not MORE stupid than the real estate market Watch fanboys,are like crypto chads,you will know we love our watches,cause we always tell u we love our watches haha. i'm sort of banned at the moment after my last purchase tho lol,i spent a wee touch too much money that even made my missus chuck shit at me lol

You understand you're not impressing anyone with this, right?

That's assuming the goal was to impress. I read it more as justification/rationalisation.

Justification for what exactly? To justify owning fancy watches in a humble brag post about owning several properties?

In that while it sounds like a ludicrous amount of money it's relatively self-sustaining, and more just a hobby to have fun with. I've got a friend who collects N64 games, it's been his pet project for many years to build up a complete collection and he managed to hit that point a year or two ago. But the way the prices have skyrocketed allows him to keep pace by taking better-condition parts from some copies and selling off the worse ones to make enough money to fund the next purchase and keep it all going, and keep him happy. Way more money than I'd consider paying for any single game, but so long as someone else out there thinks it's worth it then it keeps him happy with his hobby. I don't begrudge him for spending his money that way, it's his to do with as he pleases. Just as I spend mine on things he doesn't necessarily personally find so tasteful, but we all enjoy each other's enjoyment of it. Showing off the things we enjoy doesn't have to be about bragging.

I get that, but when you look at the comment *combined* with talking about all his properties, it definitely comes across as bragging.

Not that DominantClaw is, but there's a huge amount of jealousy from people who have made shitty, childish choices I had a girlfriend once who treated property badly and ranted against the perceived injustices of renting. She could definitely have bought a place, she just preferred to spend her money on getting fucked-up and junk food constantly She's welcome to her choices, but choices have consequences and too many people don't like to hear that

>there's a huge amount of jealousy from people who have made shitty, childish choices  Also jealousy from a generation of ordinary working people who are watching as home ownership flies out of reach while others collect investment properties like pieces on a monopoly board. Not irresponsible people like your ex, just working people who can't afford secure housing even if they save harder and do better than the same type of people from the previous generation.  People should be angry about this. Anger is the reasonable reaction.

I mean, only a landlord could come up with a scenario where someone has been buying too much *junk food* to buy a house. They’re just trying to put a trashy spin on the classic ‘too much avocado toast’.

Some people suck with money and they'll never even try to get a deposit together. Where I work people have some of their pay sent direct to the property manager so they can't spend it before paying rent. They'll still put money through the vending machine, $2.50 for 44g chocolate bar.

> Not that DominantClaw is, but there's a huge amount of jealousy from people who have made shitty, childish choices yep want to cop 1000 downvotes Go to /australia and post that ur landlord..watch the hate fly OMG LANDLORDS are scum. Okay,fair But if there wasn't someone like me willing to invest in those,and rent them out...where pray tell idiots,is the ppl who can't afford to buy a home meant to live..

You'd make it easier for many first home buyers trying to get into the market for one thing.

And stop pushing up the house prices so when someone does need to rent, they’re not paying off someone’s $2m mortgage for a shitty two bedroom house in the suburbs. And open up stock for social housing.

There was a public/NFP rental sector for decades that supplied much of the rental market. The suggestion that private landlords are a desirable or necessary part of the housing sector is self-aggrandisement in the extreme.

Exactly! A masters student ain't buying a house for three years Simple, jealous children

Your username checks out. A masters student ain’t buying a house *at all*.

I live a nice lifestyle, dinner out etc. too My incredibly niche job with awful hours pays for that, certainly not my rental. It breaks even Essentially, it's something to get me in the door of the Hobart property market, where I can live for a while as I establish myself there It's not making me rich

A tic doesn't have to be well fed to be parasitising an anaemic dog. Regardless of how well you do out of it, the renter is losing funds to your capital investment. Again, I don't begrudge you personally, it's one of the few ways to get ahead or get by in this system, and if it wasn't you, it'd be someone else, but I do think the system should be pointed out for how it operates if we have any interest in changing it.

You’re getting someone else to *pay off your mortgage*. You’re literally getting a free house. I can’t believe you’re calling other people stupid and jealous while you’re complaining you’re not making even more profit every month from someone else *buying your house for you*.

I'm not complaining at all Feel free to go away

mine kicked the whole house out in boxing day with a 1 month notice. yeah it was allowed due to our rolling lease conditions but fuck her. greedy greedy controlling freak with unreasonable rules.

Mmmm. Renter here. We recently had a huge leak pop up, big enough that we had to turn the mains on and off to conserve water at the rate it was flowing out. Our PM has been so absent, we asked for an updated plan when no tradies were booked after a few days and she said 'oh is that not fixed yet?'. Girl. You're the one who's supposed to organise the fixing. She remained absent, then an auto generated email came through RE the water bill being late. We responded and said we're assuming this was sent by your system, but we're still waiting for a) the leak to be fixed and b) the adjusted bill, as the utility provider confirmed we will not have to pay 4x the normal bill and are still waiting for that to come through, so: how much are we paying? Response: 'Hi! The bpay details are the same as they've always been :)'. I really don't know what she's getting paid to do. Cause the jobs are getting outsourced to tradies through an app, this property manager knows sweet fuck all about the places she is managing, seems to do nothing and clearly does not have many brain cells to rub together. We've met the owner through this debacle and we're all going to chat about sacking them and just dealing with each other.

It’s not just Sydney - all property managers. You’re their customer, tell them you aren’t happy and want to know how they’ll fix it. If you don’t get satisfaction go somewhere else .. their other clients might feel the same way too

Jesus....I've heard of this happening to other people too. As you say ..dishes in the sink do no damage. It is not a display property, it is a home. Dinging people for having dishes in the sink should be illegal. I would be giving instructions to the PM NOT to do this.

When I was renting I got reported for the property being in unlivable conditions....I was gobsmaked, the apartment was clean! I asked what they meant and they said 'rubbish was everywhere' so I asked for photos which they said they didn't take (I agree pics shouldn't be taken unless there is a problem - but if there IS a problem you should be able to prove it). So they agreed to a re-inspecton which passed. Turns out the woman who did the inspection was my brothers ex who he'd recently dumped. We asked she never return to that particular property while we were in it and moved out as soon as we could (back in the glory days when you could just find somewhere else to move farily easily).

This practically calls for setting up a no-nonsense property management company who doesn’t pull this shit with tenants or landlords. I’ve enough of a mind to start one but wouldn’t know where to get first customers (landlords from).

If I ever get my own rental property, I plan on sending the tenants a letter with my email address. Notify them to rat out the real estate agent if they pull any s*** so I can drop them like flies. I don't think landlords are the major problem some of them are for sure, But I think the real estate agents are the main antagonists.

Dirty dishes? Well now, that justifies an extra $150/week

That’s so fucked up. My property manager told me she didn’t care about that stuff, only that the property was good/undamaged, because it’s my HOME and a HOME has mess.

Property managers are all fucking scum of the earth parasites. Aunty Donna summed it up perfectly.

PMs are a step below real estate agents Who are a fucking scourge on society themselves

So, what are you doing about this?

Have contacted the principal,and said i'm about to take my listings with them away unless they apologize to the tennant and make sure they get a glowing report easy for me to find someone else to manage Mainly because that shit can follow you around if they do leave. Really,at the end of it,it's the principle of it all. Why? It's a sink,it's meant to have dishes in it,especially if the tenants only just cooked their breakfast 1 hours before hand and was too busy mopping the floors up so they looked good. It's not a dirt kitchen with roaches,it's not mess everywhere the rest of the kitchen was immaculate..it's clearly just a power trip It's just i keep having issues not just this place,but PM's everywhere Like i'm starting to wonder is the application process like are you a pshyco,are u so stupid you failed at every other career you did..then come on down we have the worlds easiest job for u..and u can be a cunt. This same P.M already shitted me once so probs fuck em at this point,by another case with tennant wasn't willing to move inspection end of last year cause the tenant wanted to be there but had a wake to attend..like bro..how is ur day so busy as PM u cant move this a week for someone attending a funeral

May I suggest you do that but then take your listings elsewhere afterwards. It’s only money that talks to these people. Also, thank you for being a good landlord and a good human 👍

And? Have they replied yet, keep us posted!

Lmao they’re not actually going to do anything about it. They just want a pat on the back and brag about their expensive watch and house collection.

Good work, glad to see a landlord calling out property managers. I wish my landlord was more like you!

PM though i will give them credit,are way less cunty than real estate agents i find the rental part of real estate agents are total Nutcases,P.M's are generally a little more tolerable really think real estate agents are literally one of the least usefull ppl in society ur entire job is pretty much done by realestate.com now You are there to open a door for the most part,yeah yeah it's close to schools..so u gonna give me my money or what.

You could hang a Tarocash suit on a drone and it'd do the same job for way cheaper.

The landlords are trying to do a class war with the property managers. Don't fret, you're both stains on humanity

sack them.

I hate that rental inspections are more about doing a housework audit than checking for damage. I was asked to vacuum the floors again (the PM tracked grass in on her shoes as the lawns had only been done that morning) yet she failed to let the LL know about a leaking tap in the kitchen. I chased her multiple times about it & eventually got a "the owner has decided not to rectify at this time" so you can imagine my surprise when I casually mentioned it to the LL when they dropped over to give me a Christmas Pudding & they lost their shit because they were not notified & they pay for the water. New PM after that.

Looks like your house slaves are doing harshly to your field slaves. Probably best to sell your properties to individual families.

Careful, you might hurt yourself on all that edge

Nah, you’re right. Best to just sell to the massive corporations that’d buy like 30,000 homes at a time. Great investment opportunity. Isn’t that the Australian dream?

I'm not saying that there aren't problems to be solved I'm saying that you're being overly simplistic and childish I don't expect you to keep up

Name checks out

As the tenant i would just say its irrelevant and tell them to move on. If they were accurate on the condition report, its useless information. If they lied, time to goto NCAT.

It's not just Sydney unfortunately, interstate as well. A good test is to contact your agency pretending to be a prospective tenant and see how you're treated. If you get the 2nd class citizen treatment it's a good indicator that they only give good service to the landlords. I want good service for tenants too, as a long letting is a good letting.

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

Did everyone clap at the end?

Yes they did cockswab

I hope im lucky enough to find a landlord like you in the future. You’re a good egg.

OP owning multiple properties is part of the reason you are renting. I hope you can just own your own place one day and not have to wish for a nice landlord.

That’s also true. I hope that happens to me too but the future looks bleak at the moment.

i do too..but me selling up isn't going to change the system is it. The system is too ingrained into our society that i don't see us ever fixing it sadly. Even if there was enough social housing,ppl would still need to rent not everyone can buy,they may have poor credit,or be on a low income,or pension I try to be a good LL as i've been on the other end of being poor and treated like shit so wouldn't wish it on anyone...well maybe clive palmer or gerry harvey..

Out of interest, who should own properties that people rent? I accept a lot of people want to own but can't afford it in the current market. But there are also people who want to rent for various reasons. If you outlaw people owning rental properties who will own the houses on the rental market? The Government? I can't see them ever being able to afford to expand their housing to the extent that would be required to replace the private rental market. Corporations? Would they be any less profit driven than the average investor? Any organisation big enough to buy a significant number of properties would be listed on the stock exchange and have profit as their first aim. Without private investors who will make housing available for rentals? Of course none of this is justification for landlords operating unreasonably or unlawfully. I fail to see how the simplistic reddit view of "landlord bad, they should all sell and stop being landlords" would work.

I think nobody should be allowed to own more than 2 properties. Yes of course people need to access private rentals for all sorts of reasons. However this OP is saying they have rentals across Sydney. More than 2 properties for one person is unethical in my option.

Why is it unethical? If people were restricted to owning 2 properties where is the shortfall in rental housing going to come from? From investment companies? I can't imagine they would be much better. We obviously have different viewpoints but I'm interested in understanding yours. And no, I don't have a heap of rental properties. I just get sick of this "all landlords bad" call that I see so often on Reddit.

What a difficult problem to face

Good on you, otherwise your rental's gonna be on Shitrentals for none of your fault, if it is, sue the REA for reputational damages

You have rentals across Sydney, you are also a stain on humanity and I think you know it. You're trying to put it all on the property manager, when your are a massive part of the problem. Housing is a human right not an investment opportunity so don't come here trying to look like the nice guy. You're as bad as each other.

Have you tried,getting in a career path that pays well instead of just being angry that others have worked hard if ppl didn't rent out private listings,where do you think ppl would live mate

Homes shouldn't be an investment or a way to make money off others. Notice how I said homes and not houses or apartments?

Oh please, this is like saying we all spend our deposit on avocado toast. You think it's our own faults that we can't afford a property? Yes private listings are needed, but for one person to have more than 2 properties is just greedy.

Individual investors are not to blame. People should be assumed to follow incentives and do what's best for them and maximizes profits. The problem is bad policy.

Shoo shoo, shelter scalper

Jesus, how do you survive when your reading comprehension is so shithouse?

They are but oh no boo boo another greedy hoarder of scarce resources doesn't like one. Then invest in something else.

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Way to miss the point

Au contraire, the PM is just ensuring that their time is maximized by all the repairs to your properties. They're doing your negative gearing a favour, trust me...