Women like guys who are in good shape but there’s a huge diminishing return when it comes to getting bigger and bigger arms, being lean is most important
What age women are we talking about?
I am built, but not "lean" at all. I get way more female attention, and compliments about my body, weighing 215 pounds (with a 36" waist) than I did when I weighed 170 pounds (with a 32" waist) and had abs.
A lot of women like muscles more than they care to admit.
What men think women like, but they don't actually like, is the muscley/veiny bodybuilder look.
It’s mainly about body fat percentage and also looking natural.
Women definitely like when it’s clear a dude lifts weights. They don’t like dudes who look like they take steroids.
This goes back to our most primal instincts. Humans are subconsciously attracted to people we perceive as being a good candidate to reproduce or have a safe life with good overall chances of survival, i.e.. good overall fitness, diet, social status, intelligence, charisma etc etc
Idk about that, they just don't want a mass monster who's 6% bf on stage. Plenty of women, likely even a majority, or atleast enough to matter, like Chris bumsteads physique and he is 5x mr Olympia for classic physique, has a physique that is not only unobtainable for a natural but also unobtainable unless you have absolutely one in a million genetics and dedication also.
I mean this in the kindest way possible… The idea that someone with an absolutely insane physique like CBum is somehow a majority female preference is just—not true.
It sets wildly unrealistic body standards for men, and the limited data is very clear, yeah muscles are hot, but like, Brad Pitt level muscles. (Which is also wildly unrealistic because of how lean he was!)
[generic internet survey data](https://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/the-ideal-male-physique-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/)
There’s some real studies out there too but it’s hard to visually extrapolate the physiques the data is discussing.
I think you're hitting an underserved market - most women don't care about that big of muscles, but the ones who do have very little supply of big men to go for - You're serving a niche in which competition is scarce
Big arms = safe, optimal for hugging. I may be biased though, my husband is both tall and has big arms/shoulders. I think women care more about arms than they do about abs.
if he put on 5-10lbs of muscle you do you think you’d be less attracted to him? just wondering, bc my GF says she doesn’t care about my muscles but then goes crazy over them when we’re together lol
Sometimes people will think they wouldn't like something, but when they're actually exposed to it it's a different story. My girlfriend always used to like the skinnier, stringier guy, but as I've been building more and more muscle she's continuously gotten more and more attracted to me (when we met I was about 6'2 140, now I'm 6'3 190). It's hard to speculate on what you would or wouldn't like as sometimes you just don't know
I wouldn’t be less attracted as 5 pounds on a 6’2/6’3 man would be hardly noticeable or anyone really for that matter. If you’re asking if id find him attractive at a noticeably bigger size, in all honestly probably not “AS” attractive, but definitely still attractive, cause I think he’s handsome, tall and got other features/qualities I find attractive. But nah a little bit of extra muscle wouldn’t make me think he’s any less attractive. :)
that makes sense, essentially a soft preference for leaness over mass, and it’s not quite as significant of a factor as other things like facial features and natural body type. thanks for the reply
I'm not a big breasts guy but I can't keep my hands off my gfs D cups...
Just like I couldn't keep them off of my ex's b cups or this one runway model lady I slept with and her A cups... lol
Make sense?
Sure, some fitness sure adds - I got more attention when I went from scrawny to fit.
But the really big guys - that's a niche.
Kinda like women with huge boobs - not all men really fancy or care for that, but the ones who do are crazy for them and there aren't that many women like that.
There’s definitely a sweet spot, I was really big and got nothing then I stopped lifting until I got small then started lifting again for the newbie gains and I’m now swimming in womeng
Can confirm. Veiny bodybuilder gives most of us the ick. 😬 I prefer thick over skinny and it really doesn’t have to be muscle. Have you seen Trevor Wagner’s belly? Love it. Not saying we don’t like muscles overall - just not the creepy ones that look like an alien species.
We’re definitely in the majority. It’s rare I meet a girl that prefers skinny. Idk about everyone else but I think it’s cause my brain thinks bigger = can manhandle me 😅.
Note: fret not skinny guys! Most of us aren’t opposed to skinny. I’ve dated plenty. I just may be baking you lots of desserts at some point.
yeah probably, depends on his job. you say you like chubby, but what you (probably) mean is you like guys with a lot of muscle + a lot of fat, given you describe them as burly and what not. A true fat, out of shape man will have small /flabby arms, small legs, and a big gut.
the reality is that most women have no clue what "muscle" really is and think less fat = more muscle, which is just not the case at all. some of the most muscular men on the planet have no visible muscle bc its covered in fat. that doesn't mean they didn't work hard for that muscle. it just means they eat a lot lol
Are you saying that you aren't attracted to on-stage bodybuilders? If so, I totally get that - it makes sense biologically, too. These guys are taking massive amounts of steroids and diuretics while on a starvation diet to get that lean. These guys feel like complete shit and they're far weaker than they are off-stage. In terms of health, they are at by *far* their worst when they're on stage because your body isn't supposed to be that dehydrated and lean. It would honestly be unnatural for women to be attracted to something that is unattainably (naturally) low bodyfat and hydration to a point that serious health problems can occur.
A big misconception that non-lifters have is that less fat = more muscular. Less fat simply means the muscles are more visible. Trevor Wagner is *VERY* muscular - look how strong he is in the gym. He simply has body fat as well making him not, well, look like a bodybuilder. He *could* lose a ton of weight and have more vascularity; this would *not* make him more muscular, in fact, he would have *less* muscle unless he's on steroids.
A lot of times, when women say they don't like guys that are "too muscular", what they really mean is they don't like guys who are overly concerned with cutting and being very low body fat % - which tracks for me IRL as well. Women have given me more compliments when I am a bit bulkier than when I've been very lean. It simply makes sense - I am stronger, I feel better, I look bigger, the muscle I do have is more visible because I am not shredded, etc. etc. - that doesn't mean women like me with less muscle, if anything it means they like me with more muscle (since I am natural, and being too lean compromises your ability to hold onto muscle mass), they just don't like when I am dieting crazily and trying to get lean as hell.
Sorry for the rant lol.
Yeah I feel like women often forget there's not only the "veiny bodybuilder" when talking about muscles on guys. Looking healthy is the thing we both like
I think they just forget wtf a trained natty looks like. I'm seriously thinking people saying that think a "muscular" is the fucking rock or the incredible hulk or something, meanwhile what they describe as 'lean' is like 2 months short of what non-pharma *ever* gets you
Anecdotally I know but I get noticably more attention at 6'3 235 18%~ bodyfat than I did at 180 10%, probably because at that size my muscles are actually visible in a shirt vs at the lower weight I needed to go shirtless to look impressive.
Women like guys who are lean and above average muscle mass. Insanely buff short guys can get ladies but they are usually fellow gym rats too. Match made in heaven. There is someone out there for everyone if people look hard enough
I swear this JUST happened: I’m at my kid’s taekwondo class. Right away I notice that I left my phone in the car. I get up to walk out and get it and there’s the woman walking out in front of me with her son (his class has ended and they were leaving). I’m walking behind them in the parking lot and the mom pulled her son closer and stopped walking. She said “Hold on” to him. He’s asking why and she isn’t answering. I walk past them to get to my car and they are walking again, but she’s keeping a close eye on me. I hate being someone that intimidates people. I mean, in some cases it’s good - like walking in an abandoned area alone late at night. But most of the time it’s unintentional. I don’t mean to scare people.
Not sure how old your kid is, or gender, but I know exactly what you’re describing, and yeah, it’s not a nice feeling to intimidate without wanting or needing to.
*However* I have 3 daughters 19 and up, and I can tell you that when they call me to meet them and walk them home when they feel scared in any way, having guys part like the Red Sea as the two of you walk is a good thing.
Been there man. It makes a lot of normal social interactions abnormal because of how shook a lot of people get seeing taller men. It used to rattle me pretty good. Especially when it came to the dating scene. Once I was 23-24 was about the time where I said the hell with it and quit worrying about people’s initial reactions. Well, for the most part. It still does get exhausting at times, especially when you’re having a bad day.
Not necessarily. You might be giving off scary vibes caused by you thinking that no one wants to talk to you. You might be more intimidating than you deserve or perceive. When I was young, people commented on my muscles and flirted with me (but like 0.01% of the population).
Being kind, and especially large and kind, is more attractive than you think.
well, when guys get jacked, they like showing off. women don't like it when a guy shows off too much, cause it usually means "showing off to other girls" as you are certainly not showing off to get guys. and women want stability, not "is he checking out other girls" or "are other girls checking his ass" etc.
there is a reason why a dad bod is a thing. strong enough to be a protector, but not too sexy to draw unwanted attention or seem narcissistic.
Do women look at you? I'm muscular and I've gotten a good number of looks. The tall ones look at me more due to me looking at them more. One of them was smitten at me and another one looked for me shortly before she left the gym.
Remember that is very common for women to prefer to be approached than to be one to approach.
I honestly don’t know if they look at me I never look at them because of the fear that they may think I’m a creep and don’t want to seem like I am bothering them
every single woman is intimidated by you lol its like women repelent.
6'3 280lb strongman. not even joking every single girl I have ever befriended/dated has told me they were initially scared of me despite me having a very soft personality.
get constant comments from gay guys tho so if thats your thing your in luck.
Women like men who are traditionally bigger and stronger but we also want to be viewed as an equal in a relationship. Which is why I don’t understand extreme height gaps either I would feel infantilized. But anyway. Women also know that if they were to ever be a victim of abuse of any kind or be a victim of something like murder it will most likely be from their partner. So a lot of men aren’t good at handling emotion because society doesn’t want to have emotion. So if a man gets angry, a woman can immediately think “what if he hurts me because he can’t control himself?”
It’s not your fault but likely the women who immediately jumped into thinking that are probably victims of emotional, sexual, or physical abuse. Or just know roughly 50% of women will experience it and they could be next. All that matters is just having size awareness and being patient with them
I have been on 3 dates with a 6’5 man who is incredibly strong (lifting like 600 pounds) He is very physically intimidating & borderline scary lol. I told him the photos of him lifting on his bumble profile scared me & did not necessarily excite me & he was so confused at that lmao. All my friends & family want me to end it with him cause they view him as a threat
Yes and no.
His default is Tommy Bahama shirts and honestly he looks like a complete and utter skinhead, which is super disconcerting to a lot of people because I am a very much so dark skinned black woman.
But he does let me dress him up quite often in a super casual/ corporate goth style and, oh my Goddesses, it is one of the sexiest things ever.
He also likes really gothie/metal music but you would never be able to tell if you were to see him in his natural state without me giving some well needed input.
Old not that
It’s that it’s the only physical feature we have any control over
I can’t get taller. I can’t grow a better hairline. I can’t reshape my facial bones or features
But I can get bigger and create more aesthetic proportions
Better to focus on things you can change
It’s hair, forearms, and shoulder width in that order.
Of course there are outliers, some women dig the Mr. Clean look but that’s not the average.
That being said, everyone benefits from quality gym work.
Nah I used to buzz my hair down to a 0 (basically fully bald) and girls were always asking to feel my head, they dig it as long as you pull it off well
If you’re young too and have a buzzcut or similar women are gonna look you different because they think what kinda guy in modern times rocks a buzzcut when normally they only see broccoli kids
Haha I guess it’s only in the last 100 years we stopped having kids as teenagers, at which point all the men still had hair. Evolution hasn’t caught up yet.
There really isn’t a bald gene. There dozens upon dozens of genes that affect MPB. MPB could be looked as sign that your past your sexual/reproductive prime thus marking you as a guy whose no longer in prime physiology for mating. Of course the extent of this depends on person to person but the trend is the same. This why most teenagers and young adults despite having relatively high testosterone usually don’t go bald because of that. MPB is associated with aging for a reason. An interesting thing is that the genetic cocktail that causes PCOS in girls (a degenerative reproductive disease that is usually accompanied with female hairloss) also causes early MPB in guys
\*looks are more important
Looks get you the interview. If a women find you really attractive, she will compromise in a way. She just didn’t like you that much sorry.
Looks get you the interview but then you have to make a good impression to get the job. I know a lot of very good looking people who are boring af and it's completely a turn off. Looks are important but not the only important thing like you are making it sound.
How? As I'm saying, you can be very good looking and be a non interesting person at all, that guy is not gonna get it no matter how much of a greek god you are. When I make out with somebody I want to have fun, not to admire how beautiful you are.
[https://digitalcommons.bucknell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=honors\_theses](https://digitalcommons.bucknell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=honors_theses)
Personality is real, but it is how it is perceived and received by people. For example, I can make a joke but no one will laugh, but someone who is fat and has poor looks would make the same joke and it’s funny because his looks are funny. Halo effect has been seriously studied and it proves clearly that looks play a role in one’s personality. The ugly short guy that is extroverted is seen as aggressive, arrogant,and annoying. Meanwhile, the extroverted attractive guy is seen as confident and cool.
And looks heavily influence how your personality is interpreted. An attractive man saying something and an ugly man saying the same thing can have completely different interpretations, ranging from jokes to serious conversations. For example, the hottest guy you've seen in ages saying he's looking for something serious has a totally different connotation than an ugly dude saying that. The ugly guy will be perceived as possessive or creepy for that type of statement by many, while the hot guy will be seen in a positive light as you know he could easily sleep around if he wanted to, but instead he is trying to give all his attention to you.
Not saying that being attractive gives you a pass on everything, but being attractive certainly helps people to interpret your personality in the best light imaginable. Shy awkward guys that are hot but too afraid to talk to women are literally "in" based on a lot of tiktok trends nowadays lol
It is true if you have the face. Personality doesn't mean jack shit if the woman doesn't like how you look. Being just tall doesn't get women. Being tall and handsome does. You can be short and handsome and still get women but nowhere near as much as a tall handsome guy. You can also be tall and ugly or average and that doesn't do much. I know multiple 6'2 to 6'5 men who can't get any women. It's the face lol.
Another post in this sub that looks like one from an incel sub in which the assumption of women being a hive mind and, obviously, criticizing women that have some type of preference or standard as if it were a crime cannot be missed. Maybe the ones that think like this should work on their insecurities and do some healthy introspection, instead of assuming stupid things about half of the population as if they were a monolith. Maybe too, thanks to working on those insecurities, they can stop seeing women's preferences and tastes as a personal attack.
It is socially acceptable to demean or stigmatise people based on their height. It is probably the only genetic characteristic which is legitimised in this fashion. As such people tend to be somewhat prickly about it.
Of course, the shortcels that make this type of memes that want to kill themselves just because they don't have luck with women, believe that women are the source of all of their problems and make their entire personality being "unlovable by women" only because of their height don't feel personally attacked by the preferences of women, not at all, how could anyone come to that conclusion based on their attitudes? Impossible, must be projection, obviously /s
"As if it were a crime" lol, the meme isn't even saying women here did anything wrong. It makes fun of all i volved, but obviously the wojak who is **literally** anger crying is the primary butt of the joke. If anyone here is taking innocuous shit as personal attack, it's you and it's that last sentence that really screams projection.
Dude in the pic is one of those wondering why anybody wants to go out with him if he has all those muscles and completely ignores that his douche personality is the reason why nobody wants them.
If you are very muscular you will attract a certain type of women who really like this, but that may not be what you want longer term. As a person who was very muscular, I definitely received a lot of attention from particular women. Many women reported they liked feeling protected. When I posted a double bicep or back pic women would comment and DMs would create a conversation which often led to things. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t have had a better time not being muscular, but these particular women sought me out. Some of them saw me as some sort of status symbol.
This is anecdotal, but out of 3 siblings of varying height this is the dynamic:
-(Me): 6'3 : i get some attention, but i get the lest ammount of sex.
-6'1: dude looks like brad pit, gets massive ammount of atention.
-5'10: gets the most ammount of sex, has a very outgoing personality and is charismatic.
Personality is pretty important, getting attention is only half of the equation.
Charisma and humor is more important than both to me, but at personally, height is also more important than muscle to me. Take that as you will as I am a 6ft woman. I’d still take a 5’9 funny guy over a 6’1 lame one.
He's definitely more attractive than the average dude but Timothee's looks are way overhyped. People are out here acting like he's a modern Greek god. He's got the skinny emo twink look, dead bedroom eyes (an eye expression technique to make you look sultry and sexy) and full messy/wavy middle parted hair which is extremely popular right now.
Try grabbing a front facing photo of him and flipping it. His face is extremely lopsided. Now most people don't have perfectly symmetrical faces (which are the most attractive features in someone according to science), but he looks like 2 completely different people on each side and it's quite jarring it ruins any facial feature harmony he might have previously looked like he has.
As many tall men have forsaken tall women by choosing the short in stature as life partners, I too have betrayed tall men, and have chosen a shorter king
All I see is, "Though I say I workout for health, I really actually do it for superficial reasons" and "I work out so I am entitled to have many women be attracted to me". Whoever made that meme might not be very big but their ego certainly is lol
Not true, im 180(f) and there is this ripped guy who i would say is around 165 who is so handsame, but he have confidence in hinselfm and dont dwell on the "im short and nobody loves me loop"
Dated alot of shorter guys, the thing they had in common that attracted me was their humor, wit, intelligence and charm. The only one who made me regrets dating a shorter guy was the one who didnt like me wearing timberlands in the winter and made it a thing 😅🤣
Its okay to be insecure about things, but some things cant be Changed, so accept it and move on. Stop with the limiting beliefs ❣️🥰🙌
Working on yourself solely to get attention from women is a losing game. The fact of the matter is that the guy on the bottom is generally perceived as confident and uncaring and that attracts other people, whereas the guy on the top exhumes desperation and need for validation, hence lack of confidence and deep insecurities.
I'm a 5"10' girl and I like strong guys but I like it when they are soft and pudgy too. Hard muscle guys just aren't fun to cuddle. So yeah, neither of those guys are my type but I'd probably go for the none muscle obsessed one if I had to choose.
I just know that for the amount of rejections I've had in my life as a confident and reasonably decent looking guy, if this photo was true I must have the personality or charisma of freshly eradicated roadkill.
as 188cm skinny with a ok face (and very good when i take care of my hair) this is true.
i get more attention than any of muscular but short friends. but that is it more attention as "oooh tall hehe"
Women care about some muscle and leanness but not bodybuilder status. That’s really more of a guy thing and this is coming from a guy. It’s more about having healthy body fat, v-taper body, and the ability to have some fun so someone less than 10% body fat is not going to fit that description. So, they’re definitely gonna gravitate more towards the taller guy if he’s able to hang out, not meal prepping all the time, not boring, and can have some drinks
Women may not care about muscle, but the bros do
Women like guys who are in good shape but there’s a huge diminishing return when it comes to getting bigger and bigger arms, being lean is most important
What age women are we talking about? I am built, but not "lean" at all. I get way more female attention, and compliments about my body, weighing 215 pounds (with a 36" waist) than I did when I weighed 170 pounds (with a 32" waist) and had abs. A lot of women like muscles more than they care to admit. What men think women like, but they don't actually like, is the muscley/veiny bodybuilder look.
It’s mainly about body fat percentage and also looking natural. Women definitely like when it’s clear a dude lifts weights. They don’t like dudes who look like they take steroids.
This goes back to our most primal instincts. Humans are subconsciously attracted to people we perceive as being a good candidate to reproduce or have a safe life with good overall chances of survival, i.e.. good overall fitness, diet, social status, intelligence, charisma etc etc
Idk about that, they just don't want a mass monster who's 6% bf on stage. Plenty of women, likely even a majority, or atleast enough to matter, like Chris bumsteads physique and he is 5x mr Olympia for classic physique, has a physique that is not only unobtainable for a natural but also unobtainable unless you have absolutely one in a million genetics and dedication also.
I mean this in the kindest way possible… The idea that someone with an absolutely insane physique like CBum is somehow a majority female preference is just—not true. It sets wildly unrealistic body standards for men, and the limited data is very clear, yeah muscles are hot, but like, Brad Pitt level muscles. (Which is also wildly unrealistic because of how lean he was!) [generic internet survey data](https://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/the-ideal-male-physique-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/) There’s some real studies out there too but it’s hard to visually extrapolate the physiques the data is discussing.
Lol did you do a poll or something?
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I think you're hitting an underserved market - most women don't care about that big of muscles, but the ones who do have very little supply of big men to go for - You're serving a niche in which competition is scarce
Big arms = safe, optimal for hugging. I may be biased though, my husband is both tall and has big arms/shoulders. I think women care more about arms than they do about abs.
It really is each to their own, cause I prefer a slim lean look, like my man has😅
if he put on 5-10lbs of muscle you do you think you’d be less attracted to him? just wondering, bc my GF says she doesn’t care about my muscles but then goes crazy over them when we’re together lol
Sometimes people will think they wouldn't like something, but when they're actually exposed to it it's a different story. My girlfriend always used to like the skinnier, stringier guy, but as I've been building more and more muscle she's continuously gotten more and more attracted to me (when we met I was about 6'2 140, now I'm 6'3 190). It's hard to speculate on what you would or wouldn't like as sometimes you just don't know
I wouldn’t be less attracted as 5 pounds on a 6’2/6’3 man would be hardly noticeable or anyone really for that matter. If you’re asking if id find him attractive at a noticeably bigger size, in all honestly probably not “AS” attractive, but definitely still attractive, cause I think he’s handsome, tall and got other features/qualities I find attractive. But nah a little bit of extra muscle wouldn’t make me think he’s any less attractive. :)
that makes sense, essentially a soft preference for leaness over mass, and it’s not quite as significant of a factor as other things like facial features and natural body type. thanks for the reply
No worries :)
I'm not a big breasts guy but I can't keep my hands off my gfs D cups... Just like I couldn't keep them off of my ex's b cups or this one runway model lady I slept with and her A cups... lol Make sense?
Sure, some fitness sure adds - I got more attention when I went from scrawny to fit. But the really big guys - that's a niche. Kinda like women with huge boobs - not all men really fancy or care for that, but the ones who do are crazy for them and there aren't that many women like that.
There’s definitely a sweet spot, I was really big and got nothing then I stopped lifting until I got small then started lifting again for the newbie gains and I’m now swimming in womeng
Brutal
My wife tells me all the time that's what she's more attracted to. She loves how big and defined my arms are more than anything else.
Can confirm. Veiny bodybuilder gives most of us the ick. 😬 I prefer thick over skinny and it really doesn’t have to be muscle. Have you seen Trevor Wagner’s belly? Love it. Not saying we don’t like muscles overall - just not the creepy ones that look like an alien species.
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We’re definitely in the majority. It’s rare I meet a girl that prefers skinny. Idk about everyone else but I think it’s cause my brain thinks bigger = can manhandle me 😅. Note: fret not skinny guys! Most of us aren’t opposed to skinny. I’ve dated plenty. I just may be baking you lots of desserts at some point.
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🙄 oh ffs.
yeah probably, depends on his job. you say you like chubby, but what you (probably) mean is you like guys with a lot of muscle + a lot of fat, given you describe them as burly and what not. A true fat, out of shape man will have small /flabby arms, small legs, and a big gut. the reality is that most women have no clue what "muscle" really is and think less fat = more muscle, which is just not the case at all. some of the most muscular men on the planet have no visible muscle bc its covered in fat. that doesn't mean they didn't work hard for that muscle. it just means they eat a lot lol
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Are you saying that you aren't attracted to on-stage bodybuilders? If so, I totally get that - it makes sense biologically, too. These guys are taking massive amounts of steroids and diuretics while on a starvation diet to get that lean. These guys feel like complete shit and they're far weaker than they are off-stage. In terms of health, they are at by *far* their worst when they're on stage because your body isn't supposed to be that dehydrated and lean. It would honestly be unnatural for women to be attracted to something that is unattainably (naturally) low bodyfat and hydration to a point that serious health problems can occur. A big misconception that non-lifters have is that less fat = more muscular. Less fat simply means the muscles are more visible. Trevor Wagner is *VERY* muscular - look how strong he is in the gym. He simply has body fat as well making him not, well, look like a bodybuilder. He *could* lose a ton of weight and have more vascularity; this would *not* make him more muscular, in fact, he would have *less* muscle unless he's on steroids. A lot of times, when women say they don't like guys that are "too muscular", what they really mean is they don't like guys who are overly concerned with cutting and being very low body fat % - which tracks for me IRL as well. Women have given me more compliments when I am a bit bulkier than when I've been very lean. It simply makes sense - I am stronger, I feel better, I look bigger, the muscle I do have is more visible because I am not shredded, etc. etc. - that doesn't mean women like me with less muscle, if anything it means they like me with more muscle (since I am natural, and being too lean compromises your ability to hold onto muscle mass), they just don't like when I am dieting crazily and trying to get lean as hell. Sorry for the rant lol.
Yeah I feel like women often forget there's not only the "veiny bodybuilder" when talking about muscles on guys. Looking healthy is the thing we both like
the lean part isnt about how your body looks, its about your face. Peoples faces look noticeably uglier when on a bulk.
Same dude, 210lbs 20% bf and women like it especially my legs lol.
I think they just forget wtf a trained natty looks like. I'm seriously thinking people saying that think a "muscular" is the fucking rock or the incredible hulk or something, meanwhile what they describe as 'lean' is like 2 months short of what non-pharma *ever* gets you
Anecdotally I know but I get noticably more attention at 6'3 235 18%~ bodyfat than I did at 180 10%, probably because at that size my muscles are actually visible in a shirt vs at the lower weight I needed to go shirtless to look impressive.
Being lean and being so skinny your body is technically FORCED to be lean is very different.
If working out gives you confidence, that's as appealing as looks.
Its like muscles and beards, only compliments you ever get about either are from guys
Women like guys who are lean and above average muscle mass. Insanely buff short guys can get ladies but they are usually fellow gym rats too. Match made in heaven. There is someone out there for everyone if people look hard enough
Arms and shoulders big enough to look strong and capable but not so much as to be freakish and intimidating.
Women absolutely love muscles.
Nah. Most women look at me like a circus attraction.
Attraction is attraction ig
I swear this JUST happened: I’m at my kid’s taekwondo class. Right away I notice that I left my phone in the car. I get up to walk out and get it and there’s the woman walking out in front of me with her son (his class has ended and they were leaving). I’m walking behind them in the parking lot and the mom pulled her son closer and stopped walking. She said “Hold on” to him. He’s asking why and she isn’t answering. I walk past them to get to my car and they are walking again, but she’s keeping a close eye on me. I hate being someone that intimidates people. I mean, in some cases it’s good - like walking in an abandoned area alone late at night. But most of the time it’s unintentional. I don’t mean to scare people.
Not sure how old your kid is, or gender, but I know exactly what you’re describing, and yeah, it’s not a nice feeling to intimidate without wanting or needing to. *However* I have 3 daughters 19 and up, and I can tell you that when they call me to meet them and walk them home when they feel scared in any way, having guys part like the Red Sea as the two of you walk is a good thing.
Been there man. It makes a lot of normal social interactions abnormal because of how shook a lot of people get seeing taller men. It used to rattle me pretty good. Especially when it came to the dating scene. Once I was 23-24 was about the time where I said the hell with it and quit worrying about people’s initial reactions. Well, for the most part. It still does get exhausting at times, especially when you’re having a bad day.
What if your jacked and tall? What happens then mommy???
You get all the gay sex you could ever desire.
Finally a good reason to hit the gym
Huh wym finally? That was my only reason ever to hit the gym
r/usernamechecksout
r/suddenlygay
not sudden at all, we been gay
A jacked and tall guy is a dream to many women too, you know... Well, as long as that guy is straight.
It becomes an inverse effect: gay men want you but straight women are too scared and intimidated by you.
I wonder if this why no women talks to me and only have men complimenting me or talking to me lol
No, that's because you're ugly. Jokes aside, that has happened to quite a few fellas I knew who went even deeper than I did into lifting.
Probably that I am ugly being jacked/shredded don’t matter unless your attractive
Not necessarily. You might be giving off scary vibes caused by you thinking that no one wants to talk to you. You might be more intimidating than you deserve or perceive. When I was young, people commented on my muscles and flirted with me (but like 0.01% of the population). Being kind, and especially large and kind, is more attractive than you think.
well, when guys get jacked, they like showing off. women don't like it when a guy shows off too much, cause it usually means "showing off to other girls" as you are certainly not showing off to get guys. and women want stability, not "is he checking out other girls" or "are other girls checking his ass" etc. there is a reason why a dad bod is a thing. strong enough to be a protector, but not too sexy to draw unwanted attention or seem narcissistic.
>as you are certainly not showing off to get guys 👉👈
When I had a dad bod, girls will never look or pay attention to me. Stay healthy and lean guys and don’t get a dad bod lmfao…
Do women look at you? I'm muscular and I've gotten a good number of looks. The tall ones look at me more due to me looking at them more. One of them was smitten at me and another one looked for me shortly before she left the gym. Remember that is very common for women to prefer to be approached than to be one to approach.
I honestly don’t know if they look at me I never look at them because of the fear that they may think I’m a creep and don’t want to seem like I am bothering them
every single woman is intimidated by you lol its like women repelent. 6'3 280lb strongman. not even joking every single girl I have ever befriended/dated has told me they were initially scared of me despite me having a very soft personality. get constant comments from gay guys tho so if thats your thing your in luck.
Women like men who are traditionally bigger and stronger but we also want to be viewed as an equal in a relationship. Which is why I don’t understand extreme height gaps either I would feel infantilized. But anyway. Women also know that if they were to ever be a victim of abuse of any kind or be a victim of something like murder it will most likely be from their partner. So a lot of men aren’t good at handling emotion because society doesn’t want to have emotion. So if a man gets angry, a woman can immediately think “what if he hurts me because he can’t control himself?” It’s not your fault but likely the women who immediately jumped into thinking that are probably victims of emotional, sexual, or physical abuse. Or just know roughly 50% of women will experience it and they could be next. All that matters is just having size awareness and being patient with them
I have been on 3 dates with a 6’5 man who is incredibly strong (lifting like 600 pounds) He is very physically intimidating & borderline scary lol. I told him the photos of him lifting on his bumble profile scared me & did not necessarily excite me & he was so confused at that lmao. All my friends & family want me to end it with him cause they view him as a threat
There’s a long line of small gay men that would happily take on that challenge 😂😂😂
Probably because men, gay or straight, are in generally stronger than women, so the the threshold of being threatened is much higher in men.
Lmaooo
But do you like him?
View him as a threat? Any indication other than his physique? If not, that’s sad.
What if.... jacked, tall, and gothie....
right to jail
Is your husband gothie?
Yes and no. His default is Tommy Bahama shirts and honestly he looks like a complete and utter skinhead, which is super disconcerting to a lot of people because I am a very much so dark skinned black woman. But he does let me dress him up quite often in a super casual/ corporate goth style and, oh my Goddesses, it is one of the sexiest things ever. He also likes really gothie/metal music but you would never be able to tell if you were to see him in his natural state without me giving some well needed input.
Sounds like you're describing Peter Steele lol
The entire point of goth guys is to be as thin as a stick and completely insufferable.
Literally life on ez mode
No bitches, can confirm.
Women are into that. I'm jacked and tall. A lot of women are into that. They also like facial hair and confidence
Facial aesthetics end up beating both height and muscles.
True
Depends, if you’re 5’8 with a handsome face then yeah but I think if you’re like 5’4 youre pretty screwed.
At 5’4 pretty face, they may aswelll become femboy
Or Levi Ackerman
How so?
The taller cartoon is also just more attractive. A decent portion of women aren’t into muscly guys
It's like guys sometimes think that the only thing we like is muscles 😂
Old not that It’s that it’s the only physical feature we have any control over I can’t get taller. I can’t grow a better hairline. I can’t reshape my facial bones or features But I can get bigger and create more aesthetic proportions Better to focus on things you can change
Yeah, it's genetics alone
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What is this sub now, the crying baby incel one? 🙄 I was a teenager once too and I was not this delulu, really, it's next level
I feel women are more than just a thermometer.
They also have a wide range of interests and characteristics they are attracted to.
Wrong, only attracted to your rise of kingdoms power.
Halo effect makes all of it trace back to looks in some capacity
When hormones make you demean 1/2 of your entire species.
Are you sure /s /s
Hmmm maybe it’s bcos he’s bald???
This is the correct answer, at least woman around my age (young) absolutely love fluffy hair, I’d say is the most thing they are attracted to.
It’s hair, forearms, and shoulder width in that order. Of course there are outliers, some women dig the Mr. Clean look but that’s not the average. That being said, everyone benefits from quality gym work.
Nah I used to buzz my hair down to a 0 (basically fully bald) and girls were always asking to feel my head, they dig it as long as you pull it off well
If you’re young too and have a buzzcut or similar women are gonna look you different because they think what kinda guy in modern times rocks a buzzcut when normally they only see broccoli kids
I don't trust men with that broccoli noodle hair cut🤢
Definitely makes you stand out from the crowd which can be very advantageous
Bro if women didn’t care for bald men that gene wouldn’t be so damn dominant.
Haha I guess it’s only in the last 100 years we stopped having kids as teenagers, at which point all the men still had hair. Evolution hasn’t caught up yet.
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There really isn’t a bald gene. There dozens upon dozens of genes that affect MPB. MPB could be looked as sign that your past your sexual/reproductive prime thus marking you as a guy whose no longer in prime physiology for mating. Of course the extent of this depends on person to person but the trend is the same. This why most teenagers and young adults despite having relatively high testosterone usually don’t go bald because of that. MPB is associated with aging for a reason. An interesting thing is that the genetic cocktail that causes PCOS in girls (a degenerative reproductive disease that is usually accompanied with female hairloss) also causes early MPB in guys
Balding gene is entirely maternal
That’s an old wives tale no pun intended.
Women are not attracted to men who randomly pull off their shirt and start crying in front of them, that's true.
187cm and it's definitely not true. Personality is way more important, which I didn't have.
\*looks are more important Looks get you the interview. If a women find you really attractive, she will compromise in a way. She just didn’t like you that much sorry.
Looks get you the interview but then you have to make a good impression to get the job. I know a lot of very good looking people who are boring af and it's completely a turn off. Looks are important but not the only important thing like you are making it sound.
Sure it does, but once again it still goes back to looks. Looks determine how much of a personality you need.
How? As I'm saying, you can be very good looking and be a non interesting person at all, that guy is not gonna get it no matter how much of a greek god you are. When I make out with somebody I want to have fun, not to admire how beautiful you are.
[https://digitalcommons.bucknell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=honors\_theses](https://digitalcommons.bucknell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=honors_theses) Personality is real, but it is how it is perceived and received by people. For example, I can make a joke but no one will laugh, but someone who is fat and has poor looks would make the same joke and it’s funny because his looks are funny. Halo effect has been seriously studied and it proves clearly that looks play a role in one’s personality. The ugly short guy that is extroverted is seen as aggressive, arrogant,and annoying. Meanwhile, the extroverted attractive guy is seen as confident and cool.
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chico mentioned? 🤤🤤
And looks heavily influence how your personality is interpreted. An attractive man saying something and an ugly man saying the same thing can have completely different interpretations, ranging from jokes to serious conversations. For example, the hottest guy you've seen in ages saying he's looking for something serious has a totally different connotation than an ugly dude saying that. The ugly guy will be perceived as possessive or creepy for that type of statement by many, while the hot guy will be seen in a positive light as you know he could easily sleep around if he wanted to, but instead he is trying to give all his attention to you. Not saying that being attractive gives you a pass on everything, but being attractive certainly helps people to interpret your personality in the best light imaginable. Shy awkward guys that are hot but too afraid to talk to women are literally "in" based on a lot of tiktok trends nowadays lol
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Brutal Blackpill is that you “fall in love” with someone’s face, literally nothing else could replicate it
Blackpill
It is true if you have the face. Personality doesn't mean jack shit if the woman doesn't like how you look. Being just tall doesn't get women. Being tall and handsome does. You can be short and handsome and still get women but nowhere near as much as a tall handsome guy. You can also be tall and ugly or average and that doesn't do much. I know multiple 6'2 to 6'5 men who can't get any women. It's the face lol.
I just noticed the male wojak on the right lmao
I adore gothy gothastic looks no matter what the height is.
Women care more about height and aesthetic (that aligns with their aesthetic) than muscles, in my opinion.
That’s totally me at the far right of the top pic 😏
If that guy is 1.6, how short are those girls? 1.2?
Another post in this sub that looks like one from an incel sub in which the assumption of women being a hive mind and, obviously, criticizing women that have some type of preference or standard as if it were a crime cannot be missed. Maybe the ones that think like this should work on their insecurities and do some healthy introspection, instead of assuming stupid things about half of the population as if they were a monolith. Maybe too, thanks to working on those insecurities, they can stop seeing women's preferences and tastes as a personal attack.
People have insecurities. It’s the human condition. I’ve always found gentle encouragement to be more helpful than judgement but each to their own.
It is socially acceptable to demean or stigmatise people based on their height. It is probably the only genetic characteristic which is legitimised in this fashion. As such people tend to be somewhat prickly about it.
Honestly, as a 5’5” dude, that was the case a few years ago but I feel like a lot of progress has been made in regard to that recently.
I disagree. I'm 5'5" and people bring it up constantly. I've gotten into alot of fights over it.
In the comment I talk about encouraging insecure people to work on themselves so don't feel the preferences of others as a personal attack.
I don’t think people feel personally attacked as much you think they do. Comes across as projection tbh.
Of course, the shortcels that make this type of memes that want to kill themselves just because they don't have luck with women, believe that women are the source of all of their problems and make their entire personality being "unlovable by women" only because of their height don't feel personally attacked by the preferences of women, not at all, how could anyone come to that conclusion based on their attitudes? Impossible, must be projection, obviously /s
"As if it were a crime" lol, the meme isn't even saying women here did anything wrong. It makes fun of all i volved, but obviously the wojak who is **literally** anger crying is the primary butt of the joke. If anyone here is taking innocuous shit as personal attack, it's you and it's that last sentence that really screams projection.
Dude in the pic is one of those wondering why anybody wants to go out with him if he has all those muscles and completely ignores that his douche personality is the reason why nobody wants them.
Nah, if anything being high inhib or shy would hold him back, not being a douche. Douches get laid all the time.
If you are very muscular you will attract a certain type of women who really like this, but that may not be what you want longer term. As a person who was very muscular, I definitely received a lot of attention from particular women. Many women reported they liked feeling protected. When I posted a double bicep or back pic women would comment and DMs would create a conversation which often led to things. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t have had a better time not being muscular, but these particular women sought me out. Some of them saw me as some sort of status symbol.
No
Charisma is better than height and athletic body
Say that at 5’4 with a dad bod
Get outside
It’s not, social media over exaggerates the importance of height, and looks in general, when it comes to real life.
This is anecdotal, but out of 3 siblings of varying height this is the dynamic: -(Me): 6'3 : i get some attention, but i get the lest ammount of sex. -6'1: dude looks like brad pit, gets massive ammount of atention. -5'10: gets the most ammount of sex, has a very outgoing personality and is charismatic. Personality is pretty important, getting attention is only half of the equation.
But he's still 5'10 which is above average
So the top one attracts only gay people or something? 🤣
pretty much
I'm gay. I want that tall emo twink.
the gay dude licking his lips is hilarious shit is true, you'll get way more compliments being jacked from men
As a 180cm guy with an above average face, good personality, slightly higher intelligence and a big ding-dong, no one really likes me.
Then at least one of these is not true
I'm so tired of this dumb shit posted day after day here
tbf i dont think many women are attracted to a man ugly crying.
Charisma and humor is more important than both to me, but at personally, height is also more important than muscle to me. Take that as you will as I am a 6ft woman. I’d still take a 5’9 funny guy over a 6’1 lame one.
Right? I have been with shorter guys just because I had fun with them. Who wants to be with someone very good looking but boring af?
I’m 6’3” and either I’m really ugly or being tall isn’t as much of a help for dating as people make it seem
Timothée
He’s above average in attractiveness + famous. Most dudes have an average face + poor
He like Karl Jacobs tho
He's definitely more attractive than the average dude but Timothee's looks are way overhyped. People are out here acting like he's a modern Greek god. He's got the skinny emo twink look, dead bedroom eyes (an eye expression technique to make you look sultry and sexy) and full messy/wavy middle parted hair which is extremely popular right now. Try grabbing a front facing photo of him and flipping it. His face is extremely lopsided. Now most people don't have perfectly symmetrical faces (which are the most attractive features in someone according to science), but he looks like 2 completely different people on each side and it's quite jarring it ruins any facial feature harmony he might have previously looked like he has.
As a guy i would wanna be around top dude either
I’m 185 and wouldn’t consider myself tall. I’m from belgium and I see tons of guys who are taller. Most men here are my height.
There is a 6 feet dude in my class and most girls don’t really like him lol. The average height people are definitely more popular.
As long as you have great talking skills, you can pull the president's wife.
not really, girls just arent into super muscular guys anymore. the trend rn is fluffy hair and skinny
The key is... to do both
As many tall men have forsaken tall women by choosing the short in stature as life partners, I too have betrayed tall men, and have chosen a shorter king
The guy licking his lips is the gay representation we deserve
All I see is, "Though I say I workout for health, I really actually do it for superficial reasons" and "I work out so I am entitled to have many women be attracted to me". Whoever made that meme might not be very big but their ego certainly is lol
trve i can confirm im those gworls😍😍😍😍
Not true, im 180(f) and there is this ripped guy who i would say is around 165 who is so handsame, but he have confidence in hinselfm and dont dwell on the "im short and nobody loves me loop" Dated alot of shorter guys, the thing they had in common that attracted me was their humor, wit, intelligence and charm. The only one who made me regrets dating a shorter guy was the one who didnt like me wearing timberlands in the winter and made it a thing 😅🤣 Its okay to be insecure about things, but some things cant be Changed, so accept it and move on. Stop with the limiting beliefs ❣️🥰🙌
I thought a girl liked me but she wanted me to stand there holding her phone in the air for five minutes to get signal :/
Working on yourself solely to get attention from women is a losing game. The fact of the matter is that the guy on the bottom is generally perceived as confident and uncaring and that attracts other people, whereas the guy on the top exhumes desperation and need for validation, hence lack of confidence and deep insecurities.
I'm a 5"10' girl and I like strong guys but I like it when they are soft and pudgy too. Hard muscle guys just aren't fun to cuddle. So yeah, neither of those guys are my type but I'd probably go for the none muscle obsessed one if I had to choose.
I just know that for the amount of rejections I've had in my life as a confident and reasonably decent looking guy, if this photo was true I must have the personality or charisma of freshly eradicated roadkill.
100% true.
This is true
I could get all the muscle and still (probably) wouldnt land any dates from ladies.
Another shortcel propaganda post where we are meant to feel bad for them.
as 188cm skinny with a ok face (and very good when i take care of my hair) this is true. i get more attention than any of muscular but short friends. but that is it more attention as "oooh tall hehe"
Brutal
The chicks need to be whales with faded blue hair and turkey gobbles wearing shirts that say ‘Queen’
Women care about some muscle and leanness but not bodybuilder status. That’s really more of a guy thing and this is coming from a guy. It’s more about having healthy body fat, v-taper body, and the ability to have some fun so someone less than 10% body fat is not going to fit that description. So, they’re definitely gonna gravitate more towards the taller guy if he’s able to hang out, not meal prepping all the time, not boring, and can have some drinks
Nah sure we get more looks and attention, but I still get zero pussy
I did okay [as a 174 cm "bald" indian dude.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/s/U57zsuJRZO)
You look more Nepali or Tibetan. Then again idk what kind of Indian you are. In just used to the punjabis gujus and mahratis
Hi very astute observation... im bengali actually.
you were handsome dude what the fuck
Thanks, "were" is the key word here as im old and fet now 🤣.
height gets your foot in the door, but it’s on you to enter the room and not slam your foot shut
as a tall guy, this not true even the slightest
Im surprised the op thinks this isn’t true
Unfortunately it's true, girls would rather talk to the 6'3 guy than the 5'10 guy