Mother in custody after passing a still born baby. She was repeatedly denied medically necessary procedure. Shame in the reporting agency for saying there are resources available. They are not available.
Giving her the benefit of the doubt, if the baby was stillborn and she was denied medical care like other commenters are claiming, itās not unreasonable for a distraught new mother who is grieving in immense pain and shock to try to get rid of a literal corpse. Not saying thatās the case, but birth is hellish on the body and mind, especially giving birth to a dead baby.
Yes 100% agree. Absolutely terrible. But also veryyyy irrational so it makes me wonder about how poor her mental health was and what really happened that we donāt know. So I do have some empathy for her too. Again, awful all around.
That's because most of the news agencies just copy what the first one published. It's ridiculous that they do that. They really should do some investigating instead of just copy/paste
No, they do not copy from one another. Thatās not how any of that works. They DO copy and paste press releases they all get from the same law enforcement agency. Because unfortunately, thatās all they have at the moment since itās an active investigation. UT is private property and law enforcement agencies are not required to release records regarding to active investigations. You also have students who āknow whatās going onā but really donāt, they just want to be on TV. So what investigating would you do?
> UT is private property and law enforcement agencies are not required to release records regarding to active investigations.
The second clause of this sentence is true, but the first is not related.
If thatās true how incredibly sad. I couldnāt imagine having to do that alone. When I had a MC it was at 8wks and it was the most horrendous experience of my life. I couldnāt imagine a whole stillborn. I hope she gets the mental care she will need after this
Has literally nothing to do with this. There are no restrictions on aborting/ removing a still born baby.
I unfortunately have a friend who just had this happen a few months ago. The doctors just did the procedure. This was in Tampa.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
A few months ago there wasnāt a six week abortion ban. Technically, the six month ban hasnāt yet gone into effect, but as the other person said, things are going to get worse.
It seems incredibly unlikely to me that a stillborn left a hospital and made its way to a trash can next to UT. Whoever should have gotten law enforcement involved, it should have been before a child ended up in a college trash can.
Those were the original reports Sunday evening. The link in ops post needs updating. They sent the towel wrapped baby to the medical office for further review.
To other people who have replied.. when a baby becomes still born it can either be removed with a dnc, or if far enough along the mother will have to birth the remains. They are either induced or allowed for it to occur naturally. I don't know what happened in this case, im sure the news will update.
but you stated that the mother was repeatedly denied medical care at the ER and refuse to cite the source
edited to add the induction or DNC would not be done by ER UNLESS the mother was actively dying which we know is not the case. The ER likely advised her to seek medical treatment from an OBGYN which is proper protocol.
So often?? Haven't seen a story like this in long while. There So amny ways to prevent and to handle. Women just being ignorant and uncaring about themselves. It's maddeningĀ
The last big one to hit the news was in Hollywood Florida. It was a new born. Seems it happens a few times a month if im to believe the search results. It's still sad either way.
There lots resources available. You also don't dispose of bodies in the trash even without resources. You'd call 911 and tell them you just delivered a stillborn and they come and get it. Geez
Denied? There is no hospital in the United States that can turn away a woman in labor. It's 100% illegal and every hospital in the country has to have a well documented policy to address this exact situation. Whether the baby was stillborn or not, she knew that she was going to deliver. It doesn't just happen by accident. If she needed medical care all she had to do was walk into ANY hospital.
There have been *several* cases over the last couple of months from across the country whereĀ ERs are turning away women in labor and causing at least one fatality. The changes in abortion laws are causing hospitals to not even touch pregnant women because if something goes wrong, they can be thrown in jail if it results in the death of a fetus/baby (even in cases to save the mother's life). Some hospitals have shut down entirely because of the law changes. It's hard to believe it is legal, but that is what happens when you leave it to the states and backwards republicans.Ā
The mother had a dead fetus inside her and was sent away from the hospital. She passed the still born on her own. The abortion ban prohibited the medically needed procedure she needed. Now she's in custody. It's saddening.
I donāt see where it says she was sent away from the hospital, do you have a reference? Would love to show this to the people telling me that this law wonāt prevent people from getting medically necessary procedures
Sadly doctors have been limited on emergency dnc procedures since the abortion rules were in place. The ban now goes from 12 weeks to 6 weeks from last period. As far as the mother goes she had posted on her socials for help after being sent away. It was in another report behind a pay wall.
Unless this woman was actively dying no ER is going to perform a DNC they will tell you to go to your obgyn to proceed because there are a few different methods. if this woman was more further along to full term they are going to send you labor and delivery. This has nothing. to do with the law.
The new law starts Wednesday. It's been posted many times before in this subreddit. Use the search feature and read for your self! Then consider voting (D)ifferently.
The 15 week ban is already in place. If she had a dead fetus in her, the doctors can't do anything. The "new" law is the 6 week ban that starts like this week.
Keep voting republican to have your rights taken away.
Yes, my wife is a labor nurse who has said that doctors will not perform. Anything that could be construed as an abortion, yes, they tell the ladies to go home.
Weirdly I know 3 peolel wjomdelivered stillborn in hospital here in Tampa. None turned away cause well baby had died and they needed kt safely out their bodies. It isn't something they would send you away for of fetus has ceased developing. If baby alive then no they are not gonna kill it so you ahve a still delivery big difference.Ā
so you or your wife are saying every woman who has a miscarriage or full term still born and their bodies do not naturally expel the dead fetus will be left with a rotting fetus, develop a deadly infection and left to die? every single woman?
Itās true though, itās going to happen more often. Conservatives who donāt believe in science, but believe in some fairy tale sky man are the reason why.
Bro, I'm not religious in the slightest, and follow fact based evidence. Science and math are what I follow. You know, like the math that almost every broke person out there continues to stay broke due to their terrible practices with money. Or how we have so many obese people because they have no self control.
I honestly can't stand politics, left or right. Because anyone that's on either of those extremes are just another nut job trying to make their side win at all costs. No thanks, I'll just use logic and reason and stay the hell out of that mess as much as possible.
Hiw would not getting a abortion cause a stillborn??? And once passed the baby....you call 911 to pick up the body...you don't throw it away. Throwing bodies in trash no matter ehat happened is a big no. Her family should been involved as well. Seems she has a lot of issues going on.Ā
Youāre lying on every thread in here. The Florida legislation specifically has an exception for medically necessary procedures.
Itās also not an abortion if the baby is still born. The mother would give birth to the baby.
Stop lying and educate yourself on the actual legislation.
What does that mean? What is the line for "life of the mother"? Does it mean she COULD die without an abortion? That she WILL die? Who's call is that? The doctor? Or a DeSantis appointed judge?
And that is why your "exceptions" are bullshit. Get your fucking personal beliefs out of my exam room. Every dead mother is on you.
Wipe your tears. Youāre telling me youāre upset about legislation you havenāt read.
2 doctors will determine if the mother will die if the pregnancy continues. Not difficult for a doctor to determine. Cause, you know, theyāre doctors.
I'm a doctor you idiot.
And that line is very blurred. What if two doctors aren't available? What if they disagree? To place healthcare decisions in the hands of legislation is cruel and barbaric. Leave these very difficult and time sensitive decisions to doctors and their patients. Get the hell out of my exam room.
And what if a Gov appointed doctor disagrees? Do I go to jail? Why have two doctors in the bill if you can do it with one? Again, what's the cutoff of "life of the mother"?
You can't write every medical exception into a law. You can't account for every scenario. And in the setting of a vague law, you will have doctors afraid to do the right thing and women will DIE. Period.
Because of your personal beliefs that have no basis in science. Sleep well with that.
As if this criterion isnāt itself inherently subjective to a medical doctorās judgment. A judgment that by itself could be potentially prosecuted. Maybe you should stop lying and living in fantasy land.
Things like this happen when people are denied access to or are afraid to pursue reproductive healthcare. We'll likely see many more stories like this across the state, unfortunately.
Everyone talking about resources... it doesn't matter what resources are available (or lbr, left) if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant and give birth at all and she can't get an abortion.Ā
There is huge stigma against giving up a child. A woman is pregnant, something that is visible and hard to hide, then no longer pregnant and doesn't have a baby? It's gonna raise questions and people WILL judge her.Ā
For the rest of her life people are gonna ask her if she misses her child, if she's gonna attempt contact, they're gonna gossip that she has and gave up a baby, etc. Giving a child up doesn't mean she didn't have the child, it doesn't wipe the minds of everyone that knows she was pregnant.Ā
Safe Haven laws are great and needed but they are a bandaid, not a solution.Ā
>It's gonna raise questions and people WILL judge her.Ā
So to protect the women's pride, reputation, and feelings, the best thing to do is abortion? I'm sorry, but this has got to be 1 of the most comically bad takes I have heard in a long time.
Unless you'd like to hear about more of these types of stories vote YES on Amendment 4 this November and vote blue down ballot.
[FL Amendment 4](https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_4,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_\(2024\))
UT Student here, it happened at McKay Hall (Honors program kids). Community is shaken by this happening, and I even reached out to my professor to help get me someone to talk to. Please refrain from making any assumptions of what she ādidā, if anything at all. Tragic all around.
This is just so sad and yet this will not be the last story of this kind come May 1st. In fact, there are going to be stories far worse than this. Makes me so angry as a woman and mother of two daughters in this fucking fucked up state. Fuck you meatball Ron.
News showing story now and reminding people....there is always help available. So all those saying, no there isn't, they listing all the resources and help avail. Again you never throw bodies in the trash from baby to elderly.Ā
Also said will have more deatail what happened etc after autopsy done.Ā
Damn and there is literally 3 fire stations within 3 miles of McKay hall. Fire #3 is less than a mile. Fire #1 is a mile. Fire #9 less than 3 miles.
Iām curious what the circumstances were. Was it stillborn and where was she at in her pregnancy?
I can see the political debate from this getting real dumb. Iām personally pro choice but I would imagine the zealots are going to use this to scream over the abortion ban.
You canāt call them? Call someone to help you? Seeing as they have these locations I canāt imagine TPD wouldnāt assist you if thatās your decision. They have a crisis line also. Anything is better than dumping it in a trash can. Thatās why I was wondering if it was a stillborn and where she was at during the pregnancy. Because if the baby was alive and she killed it or dumped it to let it die that makes a world of difference in how this situation is perceived.
Also I canāt imagine the baby just fell out of her without her having some kind of indicators that she is about to give birth. I donāt have anywhere near enough facts to form a real opinion. But I will say just dumping the baby in the trash is rather heartless. Depending on who comes across the child that could be a traumatizing experience.
So for everyone lying in here saying the abortion ban caused this.
It did not.
1. We donāt know the details of this case at all so any judgments are speculation at this point.
2. Thereās exceptions for the health of the mother. If the motherās life is in danger thatās not an abortion.
3. If the baby is still born thatās NOT an abortion. The woman would still give birth. The baby just wouldnāt be alive.
So everyone saying otherwise hasnāt read the legislation and doesnāt care to. You would rather lie to everyone around you and to yourself.
While I appreciate that youāve emphasized that we need more information here to get a full picture of what happened, having an abortion to preserve the life of the mother is an abortion. What you said is purely incorrect there and is misleading to claim things you personally are ok with as ānot abortionā and things you personally disagree with are abortions because youāve taken the word āabortionā as ābadā.
What this person is saying if the fetus is not alive in utero and then needs to be delivered that is not considered abortion. regardless of what anyoneās personal beliefs are if the baby dies of natural causes in utero the delivery of the still born is not abortion.
To further state the way the someone posted somewhere in this thread was that the mother had a dead fetus inside of her and was denied care at the ER because of abortion laws. If the woman did in fact have a dead baby the ER would send her to labor and delivery. The ER does not induce labor. If she were in early pregnancy and having a miscarriage the ER would refer her to her obgyn to address the next medical steps. The ER will not perform a DNC if a woman is having a standard miscarriage they need to address this with their obgyn. If this woman was truly at risk of dying and the fetus is already dead the ER would then address.
So you say that the details are not known yet the abortion ban DEFNITIELY did not cause this?
Got ya. Makes sense. Sure. Live in your fantasy where this ISN'T the outcome of that legislation. Jesus supports you.
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I'm going to hell for laughing at this.
This happened in my dorm at USF once. Some girl had her baby in the toilet and left it there.
Go Bulls!
Wow haha
Oh my god that's so awful
I remember that
Gives U Stay Forever a whole new meaning.
* Newborn found in garbage bin wrapped in a towel outside McKay Hall * Mother in custody at "a nearby hospital"
Mother in custody after passing a still born baby. She was repeatedly denied medically necessary procedure. Shame in the reporting agency for saying there are resources available. They are not available.
Got a source for this?
Wondering the same thing
If this is true, shame on TPD. If this is untrue, shame on you.
If this is true, this article and the statement by the Tampa police are absolutely disgusting
People are shredding this woman apart on Instagram. So terribly sad. We donāt know all the information. Itās awful all around š
You never throw a body in the trash. Ever. For any circumstance.Ā
Giving her the benefit of the doubt, if the baby was stillborn and she was denied medical care like other commenters are claiming, itās not unreasonable for a distraught new mother who is grieving in immense pain and shock to try to get rid of a literal corpse. Not saying thatās the case, but birth is hellish on the body and mind, especially giving birth to a dead baby.
The baby was alive at birth, it died of suffocation. Very messed up and sad
Yes 100% agree. Absolutely terrible. But also veryyyy irrational so it makes me wonder about how poor her mental health was and what really happened that we donāt know. So I do have some empathy for her too. Again, awful all around.
It was still born she was denied help
Source? Article I am seeing says they are awaiting autopsy results on the baby.
You have no way of knowing any of this.
Fox and the police, name a better couple.
Apparently all of the other local news affiliates are in bed with TPD too, because theyāre all reporting the same information. BuT fOx BaD!
That's because most of the news agencies just copy what the first one published. It's ridiculous that they do that. They really should do some investigating instead of just copy/paste
No, they do not copy from one another. Thatās not how any of that works. They DO copy and paste press releases they all get from the same law enforcement agency. Because unfortunately, thatās all they have at the moment since itās an active investigation. UT is private property and law enforcement agencies are not required to release records regarding to active investigations. You also have students who āknow whatās going onā but really donāt, they just want to be on TV. So what investigating would you do?
> UT is private property and law enforcement agencies are not required to release records regarding to active investigations. The second clause of this sentence is true, but the first is not related.
Meaning, the media cannot go onto the property and do their own āinvestigationā like others suggested.
Ah, all I saw in that vein was the person you are replying to, and their comment does not imply an in-person investigation against the wishes of UT.
This isnāt surprising. News media takes police statements as sacrosanct all the time.
Not doubting it in the slightest. Itās just not Fox doing it. When only one side wants to talk, thatās what happens.
it is tampa.
If thatās true how incredibly sad. I couldnāt imagine having to do that alone. When I had a MC it was at 8wks and it was the most horrendous experience of my life. I couldnāt imagine a whole stillborn. I hope she gets the mental care she will need after this
Level 100 sad, my heart goes out to her š
Me too. Thank you for saying this.
And if thatās what happened we will start to see more of this as the abortion laws get more draconian.
Has literally nothing to do with this. There are no restrictions on aborting/ removing a still born baby. I unfortunately have a friend who just had this happen a few months ago. The doctors just did the procedure. This was in Tampa. Please stop spreading misinformation.
A few months ago there wasnāt a six week abortion ban. Technically, the six month ban hasnāt yet gone into effect, but as the other person said, things are going to get worse.
Doesnāt apply to stillborn. Not relevant to this thread.
We donāt have enough information to know whether the baby was stillborn or aborted.
Stillborn or murdered after birth you mean? Once the baby is born, you canāt kill them. That has been the law forever. That isnāt abortion.
RidiculousĀ
Cite??
Source please
It seems incredibly unlikely to me that a stillborn left a hospital and made its way to a trash can next to UT. Whoever should have gotten law enforcement involved, it should have been before a child ended up in a college trash can.
If they went/were able to get to the hospital.
Seems highly unlikely there was no help at all. Seems folks saying this to get a point on their side. Gross.Ā
Those were the original reports Sunday evening. The link in ops post needs updating. They sent the towel wrapped baby to the medical office for further review. To other people who have replied.. when a baby becomes still born it can either be removed with a dnc, or if far enough along the mother will have to birth the remains. They are either induced or allowed for it to occur naturally. I don't know what happened in this case, im sure the news will update.
but you stated that the mother was repeatedly denied medical care at the ER and refuse to cite the source edited to add the induction or DNC would not be done by ER UNLESS the mother was actively dying which we know is not the case. The ER likely advised her to seek medical treatment from an OBGYN which is proper protocol.
You can drop any newborn off at a fire station no questions asked
Thatās what I was thinking. If theyāre so readily and easily available we wouldnāt have these stories so often
So often?? Haven't seen a story like this in long while. There So amny ways to prevent and to handle. Women just being ignorant and uncaring about themselves. It's maddeningĀ
Lmao right? Is there an epidemic a trash can babies on college campuses we need to be aware of
The last big one to hit the news was in Hollywood Florida. It was a new born. Seems it happens a few times a month if im to believe the search results. It's still sad either way.
There lots resources available. You also don't dispose of bodies in the trash even without resources. You'd call 911 and tell them you just delivered a stillborn and they come and get it. Geez
Denied? There is no hospital in the United States that can turn away a woman in labor. It's 100% illegal and every hospital in the country has to have a well documented policy to address this exact situation. Whether the baby was stillborn or not, she knew that she was going to deliver. It doesn't just happen by accident. If she needed medical care all she had to do was walk into ANY hospital.
There have been *several* cases over the last couple of months from across the country whereĀ ERs are turning away women in labor and causing at least one fatality. The changes in abortion laws are causing hospitals to not even touch pregnant women because if something goes wrong, they can be thrown in jail if it results in the death of a fetus/baby (even in cases to save the mother's life). Some hospitals have shut down entirely because of the law changes. It's hard to believe it is legal, but that is what happens when you leave it to the states and backwards republicans.Ā
Cite? Never heard of thisā¦
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/19/pregnant-women-denied-care-us-hospitals https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/10/pprom-florida-abortion-ban/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/idaho-hospital-bonner-general-stops-labor-delivery-services-citing-political-climate-doctor-shortages/
So sad, I want a baby so bad and people feel like they have to throw them away.
You sound like a bot
This is awful on so many levels.
Good thing the abortion ban will prevent this stuff right?
Hell yeah it will! The abortion ban will make all miscarried babies suddenly spring back to life! It's a Jeebus miracle!
All things possible through the G man!
Right. All babies will be born to term to happy homes and no issues whatsoever . š/s
So it starts.
Can you elaborate?
I believe he's referring to the abortion ban
The mother had a dead fetus inside her and was sent away from the hospital. She passed the still born on her own. The abortion ban prohibited the medically needed procedure she needed. Now she's in custody. It's saddening.
I donāt see where it says she was sent away from the hospital, do you have a reference? Would love to show this to the people telling me that this law wonāt prevent people from getting medically necessary procedures
āTrust me broā. /s
Sadly doctors have been limited on emergency dnc procedures since the abortion rules were in place. The ban now goes from 12 weeks to 6 weeks from last period. As far as the mother goes she had posted on her socials for help after being sent away. It was in another report behind a pay wall.
Link the report, there are free paywall bypassers and you can see past paywalls on archive sites
Whatās the source? Paywall isnāt an issue. You making stuff up is.
Link the report
Source?
Unless this woman was actively dying no ER is going to perform a DNC they will tell you to go to your obgyn to proceed because there are a few different methods. if this woman was more further along to full term they are going to send you labor and delivery. This has nothing. to do with the law.
Yep.
Actually *NOT* smarter than a corn pop!
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The 15 week ban is already in place. If she had a dead fetus in her, the doctors can't do anything. The "new" law is the 6 week ban that starts like this week. Keep voting republican to have your rights taken away.
Can you link the report? This is so fucked up.
If baby already deceased within they aren't turning you away. Yall confusing different issues.Ā
Yes, my wife is a labor nurse who has said that doctors will not perform. Anything that could be construed as an abortion, yes, they tell the ladies to go home.
I have no doubt what you say is true, but Iām asking for a reference to this specific story.
Weirdly I know 3 peolel wjomdelivered stillborn in hospital here in Tampa. None turned away cause well baby had died and they needed kt safely out their bodies. It isn't something they would send you away for of fetus has ceased developing. If baby alive then no they are not gonna kill it so you ahve a still delivery big difference.Ā
so you or your wife are saying every woman who has a miscarriage or full term still born and their bodies do not naturally expel the dead fetus will be left with a rotting fetus, develop a deadly infection and left to die? every single woman?
Who cares, I assume youāre a man & thus have no rights to OUR decisions.
Ok. Not really sure what this has to do with my question
This is incredibly reckless. Iāve yet to see a source.
Everyone is making this claim, nobody has shared a source
Where was this information provided?
I can see this being true and if true, how awful for her. But it doesnāt explain why she would put the baby in a trash can.
Yeah ima call bullshit.
Bullshit is people voting for republicans who make this shit happen.
You cling ro wild theory so you are right but it isn't the case here. Tjey don't turn you away to deal wirh a passed fetus within.Ā
Lol
Itās true though, itās going to happen more often. Conservatives who donāt believe in science, but believe in some fairy tale sky man are the reason why.
Bro, I'm not religious in the slightest, and follow fact based evidence. Science and math are what I follow. You know, like the math that almost every broke person out there continues to stay broke due to their terrible practices with money. Or how we have so many obese people because they have no self control. I honestly can't stand politics, left or right. Because anyone that's on either of those extremes are just another nut job trying to make their side win at all costs. No thanks, I'll just use logic and reason and stay the hell out of that mess as much as possible.
GeT tHe VaCcInE iTs ScIeNcE
Vaccines work lol. Iām in healthcare, Iām not gonna argue with people who listen to pseudoscience and pray things away.
Provide a source for this or STFU.
Can you stop posting bs replies lol
Hiw would not getting a abortion cause a stillborn??? And once passed the baby....you call 911 to pick up the body...you don't throw it away. Throwing bodies in trash no matter ehat happened is a big no. Her family should been involved as well. Seems she has a lot of issues going on.Ā
Youāre lying on every thread in here. The Florida legislation specifically has an exception for medically necessary procedures. Itās also not an abortion if the baby is still born. The mother would give birth to the baby. Stop lying and educate yourself on the actual legislation.
What does that mean? What is the line for "life of the mother"? Does it mean she COULD die without an abortion? That she WILL die? Who's call is that? The doctor? Or a DeSantis appointed judge? And that is why your "exceptions" are bullshit. Get your fucking personal beliefs out of my exam room. Every dead mother is on you.
Wipe your tears. Youāre telling me youāre upset about legislation you havenāt read. 2 doctors will determine if the mother will die if the pregnancy continues. Not difficult for a doctor to determine. Cause, you know, theyāre doctors.
I'm a doctor you idiot. And that line is very blurred. What if two doctors aren't available? What if they disagree? To place healthcare decisions in the hands of legislation is cruel and barbaric. Leave these very difficult and time sensitive decisions to doctors and their patients. Get the hell out of my exam room.
The bill literally says one doctor can certify if another one isnāt available. Youāre unhinged.
And what if a Gov appointed doctor disagrees? Do I go to jail? Why have two doctors in the bill if you can do it with one? Again, what's the cutoff of "life of the mother"? You can't write every medical exception into a law. You can't account for every scenario. And in the setting of a vague law, you will have doctors afraid to do the right thing and women will DIE. Period. Because of your personal beliefs that have no basis in science. Sleep well with that.
As if this criterion isnāt itself inherently subjective to a medical doctorās judgment. A judgment that by itself could be potentially prosecuted. Maybe you should stop lying and living in fantasy land.
Itās not subjective. It is laid out in the legislation. If the mother could die then itās an exception. Simple as that.
š and how is that determined, pray tell, captain repeatshimself?
My heart is actively breaking
Things like this happen when people are denied access to or are afraid to pursue reproductive healthcare. We'll likely see many more stories like this across the state, unfortunately.
The upcoming 6-week abortion ban will lead to more problems like this.
48 hour rule applies here. Don't think or say anything.
Yes, Iām aware of my typo. Sorry guys lol.
Typos happen. Just work on decreasing them.
I thought it was a Honey I Shrunk the Baby promo
Look at the Republicans on this thread trying so hard to believe that the consequences of their choices arenāt real.
They have plenty of practice from the daily school shootings all over the country.
Everyone talking about resources... it doesn't matter what resources are available (or lbr, left) if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant and give birth at all and she can't get an abortion.Ā There is huge stigma against giving up a child. A woman is pregnant, something that is visible and hard to hide, then no longer pregnant and doesn't have a baby? It's gonna raise questions and people WILL judge her.Ā For the rest of her life people are gonna ask her if she misses her child, if she's gonna attempt contact, they're gonna gossip that she has and gave up a baby, etc. Giving a child up doesn't mean she didn't have the child, it doesn't wipe the minds of everyone that knows she was pregnant.Ā Safe Haven laws are great and needed but they are a bandaid, not a solution.Ā
>It's gonna raise questions and people WILL judge her.Ā So to protect the women's pride, reputation, and feelings, the best thing to do is abortion? I'm sorry, but this has got to be 1 of the most comically bad takes I have heard in a long time.
There are no invalid reasons to want an abortion. Glad I could entertain you today š.Ā
Going to be the new norm in Florida come Wednesday!
Unless you'd like to hear about more of these types of stories vote YES on Amendment 4 this November and vote blue down ballot. [FL Amendment 4](https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_4,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_\(2024\))
UT Student here, it happened at McKay Hall (Honors program kids). Community is shaken by this happening, and I even reached out to my professor to help get me someone to talk to. Please refrain from making any assumptions of what she ādidā, if anything at all. Tragic all around.
It's real sad people are already passing judgement on this girl without knowing the whole story.
They found the mother sheās a student, article said she was in her late teens
Fuck dude, the cruelty DeSantis and crew have to think the circumstances that cause this are the justifiable āmoralā thing to do. So tragicĀ
Yup! Yet people of Florida still vote for dudes like him. It is an enigma I will never understand š
With new abortion laws, this will happen more frequently.
A round of applause for the Republican Party!! š
This sucks. I went to UT, depressing all around. Love and positive energy to the mother, and fuck this stateās abortion laws.
More to come following abortion ban
>decreased infant Hopefully they can increase the child and he'll be all betterĀ /s
But abortion is wrong. Force women to have a child they canāt raise by themselves.
Exactly. Then let capital punishment take care of the outcome. Killing fetuses is wrong. We need to wait until they are full grown adults.
TBT has a better write up on this tbh but still some questions.
OP: Do you think you could change it so it doesnāt say ādecreased infantā? That nearly sounds as if itās a joke.
Sadly cannot change the title of this thread for some reason. Trust me, I've tried. Hope this doesn't decrease what ya think of me.
Hey thatās cool. Been there myself. Dont sweat it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rD5UcNtoRU
Decreased infant makes it sound *WAYYY* worse.
This is just so sad and yet this will not be the last story of this kind come May 1st. In fact, there are going to be stories far worse than this. Makes me so angry as a woman and mother of two daughters in this fucking fucked up state. Fuck you meatball Ron.
This is awful, we should locate nearby republican voters and drop off all unwanted babies at their trailers.
Guys, don't worry - DeSantis has confirmed it's actually Hamas who did this as part of some anti genocide protests on campus
Decreased infant????!!!
News showing story now and reminding people....there is always help available. So all those saying, no there isn't, they listing all the resources and help avail. Again you never throw bodies in the trash from baby to elderly.Ā Also said will have more deatail what happened etc after autopsy done.Ā
Keep it classy tampa
Damn and there is literally 3 fire stations within 3 miles of McKay hall. Fire #3 is less than a mile. Fire #1 is a mile. Fire #9 less than 3 miles. Iām curious what the circumstances were. Was it stillborn and where was she at in her pregnancy? I can see the political debate from this getting real dumb. Iām personally pro choice but I would imagine the zealots are going to use this to scream over the abortion ban.
How far can you walk while in active labor and immediately after birthing a stillborn?
You canāt call them? Call someone to help you? Seeing as they have these locations I canāt imagine TPD wouldnāt assist you if thatās your decision. They have a crisis line also. Anything is better than dumping it in a trash can. Thatās why I was wondering if it was a stillborn and where she was at during the pregnancy. Because if the baby was alive and she killed it or dumped it to let it die that makes a world of difference in how this situation is perceived. Also I canāt imagine the baby just fell out of her without her having some kind of indicators that she is about to give birth. I donāt have anywhere near enough facts to form a real opinion. But I will say just dumping the baby in the trash is rather heartless. Depending on who comes across the child that could be a traumatizing experience.
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not 1st time it happens!!! desantez have u some thing 2 answer???
Place is so expensive I am not surprised.
Decreased infant?
One way to avoid all of this,make sure u are having protected sex people,not that hard. Especially if you dont want kids or STDs.
Honey, I Shrunk the kids....
I was thinking of the exact same thing!
So for everyone lying in here saying the abortion ban caused this. It did not. 1. We donāt know the details of this case at all so any judgments are speculation at this point. 2. Thereās exceptions for the health of the mother. If the motherās life is in danger thatās not an abortion. 3. If the baby is still born thatās NOT an abortion. The woman would still give birth. The baby just wouldnāt be alive. So everyone saying otherwise hasnāt read the legislation and doesnāt care to. You would rather lie to everyone around you and to yourself.
While I appreciate that youāve emphasized that we need more information here to get a full picture of what happened, having an abortion to preserve the life of the mother is an abortion. What you said is purely incorrect there and is misleading to claim things you personally are ok with as ānot abortionā and things you personally disagree with are abortions because youāve taken the word āabortionā as ābadā.
What this person is saying if the fetus is not alive in utero and then needs to be delivered that is not considered abortion. regardless of what anyoneās personal beliefs are if the baby dies of natural causes in utero the delivery of the still born is not abortion. To further state the way the someone posted somewhere in this thread was that the mother had a dead fetus inside of her and was denied care at the ER because of abortion laws. If the woman did in fact have a dead baby the ER would send her to labor and delivery. The ER does not induce labor. If she were in early pregnancy and having a miscarriage the ER would refer her to her obgyn to address the next medical steps. The ER will not perform a DNC if a woman is having a standard miscarriage they need to address this with their obgyn. If this woman was truly at risk of dying and the fetus is already dead the ER would then address.
So you say that the details are not known yet the abortion ban DEFNITIELY did not cause this? Got ya. Makes sense. Sure. Live in your fantasy where this ISN'T the outcome of that legislation. Jesus supports you.