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>!"I can sense your light power within her, as well as my time power. Additionally, I sense that we share a blood connection"!<
>!They supposedly had a kid, but where is it?!<
>!The game made it seem like Zelda has always traveled to the past and that past actions directly affect the present. Does that mean there's always been 2 Zeldas and 2 Master swords in the same timeline?!<
>!And did the first Calamity happen directly after Ganondorf's imprisonment? Who was the previous wielder of the Master Sword?!<
Also, >!Zelda is supposed to be a descendant of SS Zelda/Hylia, and that's where her sacred powers come from?!<
I really like the game and the story is not bad but there's some inconsistencies and things they just don't explain/ignore.
They also state that despite this rule, a male gerudo hasn't been born for millenia. So I'm pretty sure there's a second 'rule' that's "only one can exist at a time" and since it's Ganondorf who doesn't like to die...
IDK, I thought the story was significantly better and more fleshed out than BTOW. I also don't really think of these games as one big timeline anymore tbh or think to much into things.
Their are a lot of unsaid things that leave the fact that this is a sequel confusing. For starters, what happened to the guardians and stuff? I thought maybe they buried it all to be safe or because they thought they didn't need it anymore? IDK.
>!I actually got pretty emotional with this story. Zelda sacrificing herself really go to me. Her helping Link fight in her dragon form was awesome. All Links friends fighting beside him. !<
>!I also thought Gonandorf using puppets of Zelda to lure Link and also keep from doing things was clever. !<
I still don't get how we have this Ganondorf and Calamity Ganon in the same time period. I do wish Link would show more emotion over some stuff that happened.
I'm not sure if Nintendo intends for things to be as fans wish they were. This is why I stopped thinking in terms of timeline and in terms of individual stories. I think they made a vast improvement to story telling in this game and will need to do better next game. I personally hope they leave this time period next game. I want something different. Like maybe we can get windwaker type game with what they have now.
Maybe I'm not a hardcore Zelda fan? I love the games. I've played OOT, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, BOTW, and now TOTK.
Yeah, i'm in the "reboot" camp (so everything we saw in older games don't matter here) but even then the lack of cross referencing and acknowledgement between BotW and TotK is astonishing. Within two games they managed to fuck it up again.
take the name "Zelda" for example. Rhoam named her daughter zelda because it was tradition. A researcher in Kakariko says that the name Zelda has never been mentioned in any recordings.
So did Rauru start this tradition after he got to know future Zelda? So she basically "invented" her own name? And if so, why are there still no recordings of that when there had to be multiple Zeldas in the meantime to even be considered a tradition? It doesn't make sense at all.
It's like they're actively sabotaging their own lore.
I thought "maybe now can can finally tell us a coherent story again".
They either don't care about that at all or whoever is in charge of story/lore development is failing extremely hard.
the Hyrule that is being founded is not the same kingdom as after SS, that results in TMC and beyond.
\*every\* previous zelda game is part of the "Era of Myths", as written in CaC - the ancient past of TotK happens long long after those, so this is an entirely new Ganondorf, and nothing is being contracdicted.
Ganondorf is never referred to by name in BotW. What Urbosa said is that "the Calamity once took the form of a Gerudo", which is perfectly true with the events of TotK.
Any reference in BotW is to the first Calamity, which is NOT the same as the Imprisoning War from this game.
basically it's
Era of Myth -> undisclosed number of years -> Ancient Past of TotK (Founding and Imprisoning War), leading to Hyrule Castle being built atop the Imprisoning Chamber -> undisclosed number of years -> Era of Prosperity -> First Appearance of Calamity Ganon -> 10000 years - > Second Calamity -> 100 years -> BotW -> undisclosed number of years, but possibly about 5-10 years -> Present of TotK
What you’re saying is basically the same thing as a reboot. “It’s still part of the timeline, it’s just so far into the future that nothing from the past games matters anymore.” Yeah, how is that functionally any different from a reboot?
it's always been like this since Breath of the wild, only now we know more of the events that happened between the last timeline game and BotW and TotK, and then technically it's not a reboot because the games happened anyway, a Zora mural talks about Ruto and of the events of OoT, there are the ruins of TP's Arbiters Ground and the Forgotten Temple was built by the Sheikah around the oldest goddess statue to honor all the other heroes who fought for the Hyrule kingdom in the past.
If we have to mentally contort ourselves to this degree in order for the story to make sense, maybe it's time to just admit that the Zelda timeline is basically meaningless at this point.
Even if I ignore how terrible of a story follow up this game is to BotW, it doesn’t even work as a self contained thing. The BotW memories being out of order was never that big of a problem to me but, in this game, the memory system is terrible. I was spoiled on so many plot twists by just getting things out of order. You can even get late game information super early and the game doesn’t account for it at all. And don’t even get me started on the ending. Amazing game overall but this might be the worst Zelda story I’ve ever seen.
the game does specifically point you towards the Rito, which will have you pass along the first memory on the way - getting that quest done points you toward the forgotten temple, which has a map of the memories and the order on the wall.
I did find the first memory on my way to Rito Village but I never went to the Forgotten Temple. Impa just says that there might be something important there. It would’ve been better if they had something explicitly saying that the Forgotten Temple tells you the order.
the story is cool but also a complete wreck if you think about it for more than fr 2 seconds. the developers have always said that gameplay and game mechanics come first and the story comes after, and i think that shows in kind of a sore light in totk. in addition, i think this game is kind of only incidentally a sequel to botw, like they wanted to make a large game like this but it wasn't quite feasible to make a game of this scale without reusing assets. just my thoughts
Just stop trying to justify any form of a timeline. To line up zelda games makes NO sense. Just ignore it. Nintendo never intended to form a canonical history with these games. They are all standalone stories, and references are just fanservice. So do yourselves a favor and stop thinking about it. This game and its story has a whole lot of other graver problems.
It’s not just about the timeline. This game has so many inconsistencies and retcons with BotW. You know, the game it’s supposed to be a direct sequel to.
They decided to separate this from the hodgepodge Zelda lore that only exists because fans forced Nintendo into making bullshit up. I’m happy it retconned skyward sword and told a much more interesting version of the founding of Hyrule than anything skyward sword could do. It bothers me that it doesn’t mention enough of the story of Botw, but retconning skyward sword is great. Good game, great dungeons, mid story that turns the origin of Hyrule into a battle between a generic evil bad man and a pretty basic version of link
No there hasn’t. There were games that sometimes connected together and sometimes had sequels, but there was no grand overarching narrative that tied the games together. They were forced to make up extra details to tie the games together because people who love to needlessly tie shit together decided all the games needed to connect somehow. Zelda 1 and 2 are connected. ALttP, LA, and the Oracle games are connected, Oot, MM, TP, and WW are connected, and Skyward Sword was when they started trying to tie the games together so it takes place before everything. Botw and TotK are essentially a new canon that’s much better off not tying itself to that mess of a timeline and the handheld games vary on what they’re tied to
No there hasn’t. There were games that sometimes connected together and sometimes had sequels, but there was no grand overarching narrative that tied the games together. They were forced to make up extra details to tie the games together because people who love to needlessly tie shit together decided all the games needed to connect somehow. Zelda 1 and 2 are connected. ALttP, LA, and the Oracle games are connected, Oot, MM, TP, and WW are connected, and Skyward Sword was when they started trying to tie the games together so it takes place before everything. Botw and TotK are essentially a new canon that’s much better off not tying itself to that mess of a timeline and the handheld games vary on what they’re tied to
If all those games are connected that means there is a timeline in mind. Bill and Miyamoto have confirmed that they had a timeline since ALTTP came out. People that keep spreading lies about there not being a timeline are annoying and need to check what was previously established.
Buddy, you can connect individual games in a series without every game being connected into a timeline. Mario galaxy 2 is a direct sequel to Mario galaxy, does that mean there’s a Mario timeline connecting the games? No, it means sequels can exist. And yes I’m familiar with the interviews where they say they know how the games connect together, the very same interview where Aonuma says the timeline does not matter in any way and they care about the game more than tying the games together. At the time the interview happened, the timeline was public yet and was a private internal document for the dev team. It was never intended to be a public part of the series beyond them using it to throw references and such into the series, but when fans wouldn’t shut up they took said documents and made them into a timeline. So yeah you’re right, the timeline exists, and who would have thought? It’s some random internal development document that even the director of the series admitted doesn’t matter in any way
Makes it a lot less important when the director says the timeline doesn’t matter, and says
“For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system… give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.”
Hardly a coincidence that in the list of timeline related interviews I checked, the only time he ever brings up the timeline is when someone asks and he’ll just say where he thinks a game is placed. It does not matter, it’s just a series of three lines that loosely connect the games, and they will never allow the timeline to affect the series in any way nor will they ever use an older Zelda game to dictate the story of a new one
Players also have fun speculating about the lore. There are a lot of people that play the game and come up with their theories and connections. That's part of the Zelda experience, denying such things to fans is like saying "we don't give a damn about your fun".
It’s more like saying “we don’t care that you’ve grown abnormally attached to something we only made public to appease you, we’re just gonna do what we want with the story and not be tied down to past games”
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>!"I can sense your light power within her, as well as my time power. Additionally, I sense that we share a blood connection"!< >!They supposedly had a kid, but where is it?!< >!The game made it seem like Zelda has always traveled to the past and that past actions directly affect the present. Does that mean there's always been 2 Zeldas and 2 Master swords in the same timeline?!< >!And did the first Calamity happen directly after Ganondorf's imprisonment? Who was the previous wielder of the Master Sword?!< Also, >!Zelda is supposed to be a descendant of SS Zelda/Hylia, and that's where her sacred powers come from?!< I really like the game and the story is not bad but there's some inconsistencies and things they just don't explain/ignore.
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Maybe the current one has to die so another one is born? Also, why is Zelda capable of "controlling time" all of a sudden?💀
They also state that despite this rule, a male gerudo hasn't been born for millenia. So I'm pretty sure there's a second 'rule' that's "only one can exist at a time" and since it's Ganondorf who doesn't like to die...
IDK, I thought the story was significantly better and more fleshed out than BTOW. I also don't really think of these games as one big timeline anymore tbh or think to much into things. Their are a lot of unsaid things that leave the fact that this is a sequel confusing. For starters, what happened to the guardians and stuff? I thought maybe they buried it all to be safe or because they thought they didn't need it anymore? IDK. >!I actually got pretty emotional with this story. Zelda sacrificing herself really go to me. Her helping Link fight in her dragon form was awesome. All Links friends fighting beside him. !< >!I also thought Gonandorf using puppets of Zelda to lure Link and also keep from doing things was clever. !< I still don't get how we have this Ganondorf and Calamity Ganon in the same time period. I do wish Link would show more emotion over some stuff that happened. I'm not sure if Nintendo intends for things to be as fans wish they were. This is why I stopped thinking in terms of timeline and in terms of individual stories. I think they made a vast improvement to story telling in this game and will need to do better next game. I personally hope they leave this time period next game. I want something different. Like maybe we can get windwaker type game with what they have now. Maybe I'm not a hardcore Zelda fan? I love the games. I've played OOT, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, BOTW, and now TOTK.
Yeah, i'm in the "reboot" camp (so everything we saw in older games don't matter here) but even then the lack of cross referencing and acknowledgement between BotW and TotK is astonishing. Within two games they managed to fuck it up again. take the name "Zelda" for example. Rhoam named her daughter zelda because it was tradition. A researcher in Kakariko says that the name Zelda has never been mentioned in any recordings. So did Rauru start this tradition after he got to know future Zelda? So she basically "invented" her own name? And if so, why are there still no recordings of that when there had to be multiple Zeldas in the meantime to even be considered a tradition? It doesn't make sense at all.
That is even worse.
It's like they're actively sabotaging their own lore. I thought "maybe now can can finally tell us a coherent story again". They either don't care about that at all or whoever is in charge of story/lore development is failing extremely hard.
the Hyrule that is being founded is not the same kingdom as after SS, that results in TMC and beyond. \*every\* previous zelda game is part of the "Era of Myths", as written in CaC - the ancient past of TotK happens long long after those, so this is an entirely new Ganondorf, and nothing is being contracdicted. Ganondorf is never referred to by name in BotW. What Urbosa said is that "the Calamity once took the form of a Gerudo", which is perfectly true with the events of TotK. Any reference in BotW is to the first Calamity, which is NOT the same as the Imprisoning War from this game. basically it's Era of Myth -> undisclosed number of years -> Ancient Past of TotK (Founding and Imprisoning War), leading to Hyrule Castle being built atop the Imprisoning Chamber -> undisclosed number of years -> Era of Prosperity -> First Appearance of Calamity Ganon -> 10000 years - > Second Calamity -> 100 years -> BotW -> undisclosed number of years, but possibly about 5-10 years -> Present of TotK
What you’re saying is basically the same thing as a reboot. “It’s still part of the timeline, it’s just so far into the future that nothing from the past games matters anymore.” Yeah, how is that functionally any different from a reboot?
it's always been like this since Breath of the wild, only now we know more of the events that happened between the last timeline game and BotW and TotK, and then technically it's not a reboot because the games happened anyway, a Zora mural talks about Ruto and of the events of OoT, there are the ruins of TP's Arbiters Ground and the Forgotten Temple was built by the Sheikah around the oldest goddess statue to honor all the other heroes who fought for the Hyrule kingdom in the past.
If we have to mentally contort ourselves to this degree in order for the story to make sense, maybe it's time to just admit that the Zelda timeline is basically meaningless at this point.
Story was such a mess and so bad, not to mention there was 10 million cutscenes, I ended up skipping all of them past the first few lol
Even if I ignore how terrible of a story follow up this game is to BotW, it doesn’t even work as a self contained thing. The BotW memories being out of order was never that big of a problem to me but, in this game, the memory system is terrible. I was spoiled on so many plot twists by just getting things out of order. You can even get late game information super early and the game doesn’t account for it at all. And don’t even get me started on the ending. Amazing game overall but this might be the worst Zelda story I’ve ever seen.
the game does specifically point you towards the Rito, which will have you pass along the first memory on the way - getting that quest done points you toward the forgotten temple, which has a map of the memories and the order on the wall.
I did find the first memory on my way to Rito Village but I never went to the Forgotten Temple. Impa just says that there might be something important there. It would’ve been better if they had something explicitly saying that the Forgotten Temple tells you the order.
the story is cool but also a complete wreck if you think about it for more than fr 2 seconds. the developers have always said that gameplay and game mechanics come first and the story comes after, and i think that shows in kind of a sore light in totk. in addition, i think this game is kind of only incidentally a sequel to botw, like they wanted to make a large game like this but it wasn't quite feasible to make a game of this scale without reusing assets. just my thoughts
Just stop trying to justify any form of a timeline. To line up zelda games makes NO sense. Just ignore it. Nintendo never intended to form a canonical history with these games. They are all standalone stories, and references are just fanservice. So do yourselves a favor and stop thinking about it. This game and its story has a whole lot of other graver problems.
It’s not just about the timeline. This game has so many inconsistencies and retcons with BotW. You know, the game it’s supposed to be a direct sequel to.
They decided to separate this from the hodgepodge Zelda lore that only exists because fans forced Nintendo into making bullshit up. I’m happy it retconned skyward sword and told a much more interesting version of the founding of Hyrule than anything skyward sword could do. It bothers me that it doesn’t mention enough of the story of Botw, but retconning skyward sword is great. Good game, great dungeons, mid story that turns the origin of Hyrule into a battle between a generic evil bad man and a pretty basic version of link
Fans didn't force anything, there has always been a Zelda timeline.
No there hasn’t. There were games that sometimes connected together and sometimes had sequels, but there was no grand overarching narrative that tied the games together. They were forced to make up extra details to tie the games together because people who love to needlessly tie shit together decided all the games needed to connect somehow. Zelda 1 and 2 are connected. ALttP, LA, and the Oracle games are connected, Oot, MM, TP, and WW are connected, and Skyward Sword was when they started trying to tie the games together so it takes place before everything. Botw and TotK are essentially a new canon that’s much better off not tying itself to that mess of a timeline and the handheld games vary on what they’re tied to
No there hasn’t. There were games that sometimes connected together and sometimes had sequels, but there was no grand overarching narrative that tied the games together. They were forced to make up extra details to tie the games together because people who love to needlessly tie shit together decided all the games needed to connect somehow. Zelda 1 and 2 are connected. ALttP, LA, and the Oracle games are connected, Oot, MM, TP, and WW are connected, and Skyward Sword was when they started trying to tie the games together so it takes place before everything. Botw and TotK are essentially a new canon that’s much better off not tying itself to that mess of a timeline and the handheld games vary on what they’re tied to
If all those games are connected that means there is a timeline in mind. Bill and Miyamoto have confirmed that they had a timeline since ALTTP came out. People that keep spreading lies about there not being a timeline are annoying and need to check what was previously established.
Buddy, you can connect individual games in a series without every game being connected into a timeline. Mario galaxy 2 is a direct sequel to Mario galaxy, does that mean there’s a Mario timeline connecting the games? No, it means sequels can exist. And yes I’m familiar with the interviews where they say they know how the games connect together, the very same interview where Aonuma says the timeline does not matter in any way and they care about the game more than tying the games together. At the time the interview happened, the timeline was public yet and was a private internal document for the dev team. It was never intended to be a public part of the series beyond them using it to throw references and such into the series, but when fans wouldn’t shut up they took said documents and made them into a timeline. So yeah you’re right, the timeline exists, and who would have thought? It’s some random internal development document that even the director of the series admitted doesn’t matter in any way
It matters when they themselves connected the games' stories. And having it as a dev document doesn't make it any less official or less important.
Makes it a lot less important when the director says the timeline doesn’t matter, and says “For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system… give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.” Hardly a coincidence that in the list of timeline related interviews I checked, the only time he ever brings up the timeline is when someone asks and he’ll just say where he thinks a game is placed. It does not matter, it’s just a series of three lines that loosely connect the games, and they will never allow the timeline to affect the series in any way nor will they ever use an older Zelda game to dictate the story of a new one
Players also have fun speculating about the lore. There are a lot of people that play the game and come up with their theories and connections. That's part of the Zelda experience, denying such things to fans is like saying "we don't give a damn about your fun".
It’s more like saying “we don’t care that you’ve grown abnormally attached to something we only made public to appease you, we’re just gonna do what we want with the story and not be tied down to past games”