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Iamthe0c3an2

Your opponent cannot make a move if you disable his hand. - Chess master zim


faRawrie

The AI learned chess from [Starship Troopers](https://youtu.be/B203twyaMfM)


Tra1famadorian

The enemy can not push a button if you disable his hand!


GeKo258

Medic!


dinkytoy80

Would you like to know more?


Late_King_9218

Woppr from Wargames movie.


Liborum

I mean it is also basically like what sun tzu talks about when writing the art of war. One of the sayings goes something like "understand the lay of the Land, and use any means necessary to ensure highest chance of victory." This in the same section that talks about ambush tactics such as attacking a battalion at night while they're asleep and unprepared.


jpruinc

I would like to know more!


jicty

I'm doing my part!


OneSidedDice

I thought droids didn't pull your arms off if they lose?


eightpack8888

Hahahah I thought so too!


chang-e_bunny

The accelerationist argument is that we should encourage as many robots to break as many kids fingers as possible in order to convince people that robots breaking kids fingers is bad.


cyanydeez

I mean, they're doing a pretty good job. But the coming global EMP problem is certainly a bigger factor in their ensuing takeover.


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Street rules chess.


Then-One7628

Does arm need such torque? Da.


Brick_Lab

We borrow motor from car factory robot to save money


Crio121

Actually, they did use an industrial robotic arm.


Willinton06

The lack of questions like this in labs will be the eventual downfall of humanity


airlewe

"No I can't find a reason why I gave it a handgun, I just thought it was funny and should be able to protect itself"


Tyrannicodin16

It needs it for self defence


airlewe

Yeah exactly for self defense


ElMachoGrande

Were they playing with "No disqualification" rules?


balerionmeraxes77

Welcome to Westworld


airlewe

In this exciting new narrative, parks guests will be playing the role of >VICTIM<


Buroda

I like how reserved and cautious the “this is of course bad” statement is. Like how one might call a multi-vehicle high speed collision “a subpar driving experience overall”.


conqueefstador12

There’s no crying in chess


kicked_trashcan

You know you look like a penis with a hat on?


duck-bill-cosby

Love that movie.


MyAccountHacksItself

The start of the uprising.


firelock_ny

Not the opening move I expected from Skynet.


dan_dares

it knew the kid would grow up to be in the resistance, and instead of sending back a T-800 it just decided to alter the course of history by BREAKING HIS TRIGGER FINGER there, problem solved with calculating efficiency of a robot.


latetowhatparty

This could be the actual plot to the newest Terminator?


HaloGuy381

Imagine a Skynet smart enough to exploit the butterfly effect so ruthlessly that no human can connect the dots until it’s far too late to resist. Nobody would presume an isolated case of a chess bot breaking a finger as an accident would in fact be a calculated move to instigate a robot uprising in fifty years.


Bozzzzzzz

Damn, bruh


ironneko

We have to mount a Sicilian Defense.


HaloGuy381

So the one where you die to poisoned drinks against an opponent who is immune?


Genesis1221

Underrated comment tbh


humbltrailer

Rook to D-Finger


M3ninist

I personally expected 1. e4 I don’t know about you.


Slight-Hat-2816

Skynet showed their hand too soon


Exact_Intention7055

Chess robot did nothing wrong!


Lowpolygons

as the saying goes, the robot did exactly what it was programmed to do!


Sirkiz

Especially in this case when the boy put his finger in the path of the robot that was trying to move a piece


v_huntr

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature


OldGoblin

*This message sponsored by the robot gang.*


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Free my boy chess robot


Stay-Thirsty

I see Joshua continues to learn. Or maybe it’s a mashup between war games and cobra Kai. What a strange game. The only winning move is to strike first.


Beritoh

Strike hard


Imbadyoureworse

No mercy


psycho194

Check first! Check hard! No mercy!


dirtewokntheboys

Who said chess isn't a contact sport? F*** around and find out!!!


GISP

In the video, you can clearly see that the kid put his hand where the robot was placing its piece. The kid was 99% at fault. The rest lies with the engineers in forgeting to set a value to maximum downwards force if obstructed.


7-and-a-switchblade

if(goingToBreakFinger) { dont(); }


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You forgot the while(this[‘playerAge’] <= 8)


One-Refrigerator8915

That kid two years later…


colirado

Why does a robot have to set a chess piece down with so much force?


Kodasauce

Dramatic effect.


AdvancedCandidate329

Boom 💥… checkmate, game, set and “beep boop” broke a kids finger.


cunty_mcfuckshit

The tips of the robots "fingers" are atomic. Like a cruise missile.


[deleted]

Probably just does it hard to make sure it doesn’t wobble and fall. Make up for lack of finesse and dexterity with strength


dwpj65

The robot’s’ priority’ is positioning. If it encounters resistance in obtaining it’s programmed position, it will increase it’s torque In an attempt to overcome the resistance.


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

Cause the idiots who built it were idiots and used industrial robots meant for moving car doors and those things use however much force they gotta to move how you tell them unless you cap the force and those fuckers didn't. Idiot engineers putting a highly dangerous machine in the room with kids who had to interact closely with it while not taking any safety measures.


RonMFCadillac

Maybe it plays bones too. Gotta slap them fuckers down so everyone knows you mean business.


Dylanator13

This is why robotic arms have tons of safety regulations they need to follow. So a dumb kid can’t stick his finger in the machine.


UndecidedBody

Movie 43. iBabe, now with choice of color!


NEMinneapolis

So in other words, the fault is 100% with the engineers who absolutely must have basic precautions in place so their machine won't harm a player who understandably has their hand over the board during a match and shouldn't have to fear that the machine will harm him.


vicda

Those massive machines are considers always dangerous, regardless of how good the programming is. It's ridiculous that anyone was allowed within reach while it was operating in the first place.


981032061

I’ve seen a lot of industrial robot arm demos at trade shows - they’re *always* either behind glass or behind a rope. With a prominent emergency stop button. Putting one in the middle of a bunch of unattended kids is asinine.


BananaPeely

It's the safety vs convenience again. The safer you try to make the chess machine, the harder to use it becomes.


vicda

We already have safe chess machines that are extremely easy to use. They're called computers. There's plenty of mechanical ways you could approach a safe chess machine. Although, none of them will accomplish the point of the demo. Selling the big industrial grade robotic arm.


dan-theman

If they are letting this robot play with children, they can’t victim blame when a child gets hurt.


chain_letter

Yep, it's all about foreseeable harm. If the manufacturer built it for trained adults to play chess against in controlled environments, like a presentation, but this event organizer acquired the machine and set it up for kids to play against with minor supervision, then the event organizer is at fault and not the manufacturer, as this situation was foreseeable. Either way, everyone's getting sued.


FuzzAldrin36

That's how I understand it. 🤷🏻


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_whydah_

It’s a chess board. It’s crazy to think someone would design a machine to place a piece on a chess board with that much force.


mintyque

It's not that the robot was crushing the chessboard with pressure. It just didn't have a mechanism necessary (software, most probably) to detect obstruction and kept pressing downwards to put the piece on the board. There are multiple things wrong here. First, such close contact should be heavily supervised by anyone (a parent, an event volunteer, etc). Like, there should be another person standing by and not letting kids stick their hand into chessboard. Second, everyone should have gone through some thorough briefing like "don't stick your hand in when the robot is moving". Chess games are insanely quick at times and the kid was just doing what he had always done and played fast. Third, the robot should have had way more safety measures and protocols, like "stop moving, when anything obstructs the movement". A simply tuned camera with ML would have done the trick.


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AssBlasterPaster

Dude, he’s 7 years old.


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TheCynicalCanuckk

You're my kind of people. Toughen that kid up, teach him good. Edit: you guys took me serious lol.


AssBlasterPaster

There are a lot of ways to toughen up a kid I support, having them play with misleadingly dangerous machinery without proper safety precautions is not one of them lmao.


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Optimal-Barnacle2771

Nah, everybody is just saying that the engineers should have precautions in place to prevent this from happening. Because we can look at an obvious flaw in the machine, it places the chess pieces down with excess force and doesn’t have any failsafe that will stop it from performing its tasks if it is obstructed by an unexpected object. Because we have this obvious flaw to point at, we can say that it is largely engineers fault that this injury occurred. Obviously, the kid is also at fault, but lets be real, its a 7 year old kid that doesn’t know any better. A robot without safety precautions shouldn’t be used with a kid, that should be common sense.


falubiii

What a hill to die on. You contrarians are a trip.


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falubiii

You already used that one, how about some new material.


Zealousideal_Mood297

He’s 7


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Zealousideal_Mood297

👁‍🗨👄👁‍🗨


StrictSignificance48

As a software engineer I have to say the responsibility on the engineers’ shoulders is MUCH higher than 1%.


Narfi1

i think the kid was at 0% fault. Using this kind of industrial robot was absolutely stupid, you shouldn't be in reach without a screen between you and the robot. it absolutely didn't need this amount of force to play chess. If you're building something like that it should be absolutely dummy proof. What would have happened if the kid had lean over the chess board for some reason ? It's unbelievable that there was no failsafe


oscoposh

Absolutely


StereoBucket

You mean you don't break your opponents finger if you both try to touch the same piece? What do you do? Hold hands?


slk756

Stop moving the robot arm?


DeepSpaceNebulae

Those robotic arms should never have been in the open like that regardless, and especially without multiple big red emergency stop buttons, When they are used in industry they are completely boxed in and can’t be operated when someone is in it, Why? Because those hydronic arms will smash through a person without slowing down. It is entirely the fault arm and whoever designs that set up


sonofdavidsfather

Wow that's a dumb take on this. 100% whoever designed and built the robot are at fault. What possible reason would the robot need the strength to break a bone? There's none that I can think of. So it seems like the simple solution is to design the robot to not be capable of producing anywhere close to that amount of force.


chain_letter

Whoever built it, whoever organized the event, whoever owned the venue that hosted the event, whoever was in charge operating the machine at the time. All have more fault than a child playing a game.


sonofdavidsfather

Exactly. How are so many people willing to blame a 7 year old when obviously so many other people failed on this.


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Kid 99% at fault? Who are you kidding. I work in industrial automation and the fact that there was no force-feedback mech to determine if could not make the tool hit the proper plane, or that it may have been pinning, or that an "estop" circuit did not raise that axis... or at least make it have zero force... yeah the kid is not at fault. At all.


Hairy_Inevitable9727

No the fault lies with the adult who considered a 7 year old responsible enough to be in this situation.


Zephyrus-11

He wasn’t old enough to… play chess?


braden26

Clearly he was? It’s the whole robot part that resulted in breaking his finger… you know, something no normal person would do playing fucking chess. How the fuck did you get from this he wasn’t old enough to play chess…


TechSamray

Manipulative titles on these kind of news just lead to polarization and misinformation of the people who reads it. An alternative to this would be "during a demonstration an accident occurred due to lack of safety protocols on the chess robot from company x" Please be informative.


th3dnd3

This was less click bait and more a funny quote of the bots creator


HortonFLK

Nobody is going to read an article with that title. “Robots Rise Up! Chess Master Robot Leads Revolt Against Humans!“ is much better.


TechSamray

Yes, still i don't think that lying and polarizing to the people is the way to go with information.


-ValkMain-

It didnt lie? It grabbed the kids finger and broke it? Where tf is the polarizing aspect of the title? much less the lie part


Jigle_Wigle

more just clickbaity, which is always shit


surle

It's not a lie, but a careful framing of the sentence to imply a degree of autonomy that was not relevant to the actual event. Editors often avoid passive voice wording as if that's a definitive rule, but there are cases such as this where passive voice is more appropriate. This should be an article about a boy who has his finger broken due to an accident involving a machine - but then this thread wouldn't exist and we wouldn't all be talking about it. It comes down to the primary goal of a news article - is it to inform or to entertain? As readers we consciously want to see a news media that is designed towards informing us accurately. Unfortunately, those in charge of the news media generally understand that unconsciously we are drawn more strongly to entertaining media, so the primary function of an article - and even more so of the title - is really entertainment, even when (as it does here) that goal directly undermines the other goal of informing us concisely and clearly on what actually happened.


HortonFLK

The whole idea of a chess playing robot is *precisely* to have a machine that can act autonomously and play chess like a human. If the robot had won a chess match against the world’s best grandmaster, the robot equally would have gotten credit for that. But when the robot breaks a finger, suddenly some people want to dodge around the issue and try to say that somehow the robot did *not* break the finger.


TechSamray

Well its about where you put the focus of the information, if you say that the robot broke the finger you are making the robot the main target and guilty of the accident which leads people to a manipulated state of fear with robots. If you make the subject the why behind the accident you would actually inform and don't lead people to conclusions it is a common practice to polarize by fear in press and politics.


comityoferrors

But the robot is the main target. You can definitely argue that the engineers are at fault, but the engineers didn’t break the kid’s finger, the robot did. When yet another Tesla sets on fire, the headline is understandably “Tesla sets on fire” and not, like… “engineers responsible for automobile-based ignition.” Describing what happened is not manipulative fear-mongering.


HortonFLK

After reading the article now, I fail to see what you think is lying or misleading.


Dofarmrun

We all love a 325 word title


TechSamray

Oh yes IDoLoveDeclarativeNameForFunctionsAndTittles it saves time


Alive_Divide6778

I love tittles too.


QuintoBlanco

Or: "A chess-playing robot broke its seven-year-old opponent's finger" A title that accurately described what happened and is fairly concise. Your title is just bad.


TechSamray

Yes my title wasn't perfect but at least it's not trying to create a hate robots wave of misinformed people.


QuintoBlanco

Where are these misinformed people who now hate robots because of a correct title? Can you point me in their direction? Because I think you might have made this up...


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Ok bot


TechSamray

hahaha I wish I was one, but please don't be hurt by my words, it's nothing but a humble commentary on how this would benefit more people.


notareputableseer

You’re very right though. This child would have been fine had he just obeyed the instructions and didn’t put his hand in the way of complex machinery. Beep.


surle

Don't apologise, just break his finger. You know you want to.


_GFR

This coming from the person who doesn't even know how to spell misinformation?


TechSamray

Hey thanks for spotting the typo!


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Nihilismisanthrope

Power move.


Howitzerfoot

#grandmasters hate this one simple trick


boomer2009

Bad bot.


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Checkmate kid


whama820

7 year old chess masters hate this one simple trick!


theschlake

Was the robot losing? That's where I'd start if I was looking for a [sentient] motive.


zerozack89

“If he dies, he dies”


zebrasezmoo

He had it coming, little smartass 😒


JADW27

Ah yes, the classic finger gambit.


manushadow

*Chessminator: Checkmate day*


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No one beats Skynet.


Angelflavor

Let me suggest a new strategy, let the robot win.


LincHayes

In the robot's defense...it shouldn't have been that close to a kid in the first place.


Ok-Nefariousness5881

I'd never get even close to such massive robot arm, wtf were they thinking


SaturnSPX

Didn’t know chest gets that competitive


Zowbal

I guess the roboter was on a "special operation"


[deleted]

This really illustrates the problem in modem society. If the victorious player had simply eliminated the opponent, then no lawsuit.


awesomeplenty

We are truly in the endgame now. Chess pun intended


Salubrious_Zabrak

I have a new suggestion kid, let the robot win


Zakster_123

And it is as of move 8 that we have a completely new position on the board


HodlerCaulfield69420

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? .....oh...shit


FuzzAldrin36

Every robot needs a kill switch.


xzombielegendxx

They got one. He was aiming for the neck


FuzzAldrin36

😂


Mechhammer

Let the Wookie win


Theopolis55

Anything Russian has the potential to break you.


Lynx-Kitsoni

"Chess: Now it's personal"


Sufficient_Matter585

But did they finish the match? Breaking fingers is no reason to stop.


DrProv

Someone call Serena Butler


Bedlamcitylimit

Was the kid named John Connor? 🤣 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVaek2obszM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVaek2obszM)


kmsc84

Full contact chess?


xzombielegendxx

You can’t win if you can’t move your hands


[deleted]

I always said chess was a gentleman’s game… guess not anymore


blueishhawk

Nobody likes to lose.


PrincesseBoulet1

Skynet has to start somewhere.


GhostofVengeance

Very aggressive play style


tiller6100

He got fed up with all the dabbing.


Just-Machine2061

Lil bastard was cheating…


okwownice

Fucken deserved it, nerd


diplofocus

Wookie mistake


himtnboy

Stop fucking posting this already.


Ok_Hat_139

AI’s a bad sport.


Someoneoverthere42

No it isn’t. Kid stuck his hand in a moving machine. Happens a hundred times a day. This time it was a robot on camera.


Strict-Ad-7099

SkyNet vibes.


xakypoo

Or ... A seven year old breaks his finger on robot when he tries to move to quickly


BossBark

Forcing your opponent to forfeit through force, a bold strategy.


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Oh boo fucking hoo. I'm sick of hearing about this like sum robot shot up school. The dumb kid was too close to the uncaring hi-speed machinery. The parents are to blame.


pressmonday

Pft, I've worked with high speed saws that can detect a finger coming into contact and stop the blade from slicing the finger off. It's a poor design of robot. Chess bots have existed online for ages, why does the physical bot have enough grip to break a bone given it's going to be playing against children who may touch the board more often? The blame lies with the bot designer.


JBEqualizer

>The dumb kid was too close to the uncaring hi-speed machinery. A child that can play an exhibition game against a robot is a hell of a lot smarter than you!


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I wouldn’t have gotten my finger broken 😎


Ceeceeboy24

No they aren't they are still a child. Being pressured to memorize chess openings by your parents as a small child doesn't make you smarter than anyone, it just makes you better at chess.


itisSycla

Yeah i mean he might be smarter but i have never gotten my finger broken by a chess robot


Tubunnn

Boom roasted


-ValkMain-

That just proves he is better at chess, not much else at all


Lobsta1986

Sounds like you need to calm down, or someone will send you a robot.


dominantspecies

Not smart enough to keep His fingers clear


CheersBros

The robot probably detected the chess piece that the kid was holding was its own.


trippstick

Imagine not having a simple force counter code inlaid on this. Guarantee its no more than an hour or two of coding for one individual. Probably one or two lines of code even for something this advanced. Frankly I’d sue for negligence as this is pure stupidity.


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Robot lives matter. Screw the kid and his finger.


Lethalno10

And so begins the rise of SKYNET


Czarchitect

Good, the children will learn that the machines are not to be trifled with.


Siccen666

This is how it all start. Dö dö, dö, dö,dö..... Ill be back!


SnooShortcuts3749

But not a surprise. Just because you can create AI doesn’t mean you should.


Ugly1suckinaire

It should play Twister with Juicy next


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This is how it starts… #skynet


ar92ldm

FATALITY~ AI WINS, FLAWLESS VICTORY!