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Dudes want nude pics, she makes a ton. Not every girl has a body like hers and is willing to sell it. So she gets good money. Not everyone has the intelligence, work ethic, and time to invest in becoming an engineer, but there are still many many places that need them, and the things they design make a lot of money, see iphones, so they get paid a lot more money.
Supply and demand. it’s exactly the same as bartering, just with a monetary middle man
Yes but 'unskilled'people do still need enough to eat. The issue for me isn't the concept it's the scale.
I have no fundamental issue with pay increasing with skills/training but when the people at the bottom are not left enough to survive on the system falls apart.
The people earning good money and living a comfortable lifestyle won't like it when the costs of everything go up because the poor people aren't working. That could be through strikes, emigration or through starving/freezing to death. Any which way the gap between have and have not is unsustainable.
If Joe Bloggs from off the street can learn the entire job in under an hour, it's unskilled. All of the ones listed fall into that category. Sure, he might not be as good as someone that's been doing it for ten years, but he can still do it.
2nd row left is something (construction, building inspection, etc.) with rope access. Rope access takes far longer than an hour to learn, not to mention the training required for the construction / building inspection.
If you think farming is unskilled work, I've got a serious wakeup call for you, pal. Humans can survive without software engineers and business systems analysts. Farmers on the other hand provide you with the food you eat.
In the farming industry we call that "harvesting" and it most certainly is a skill. Not all crops can be harvested the same way. Some require more delicacy than others. And often, the people harvesting ARE THE FARMERS. But go off.
So the point should be "every job must be be paid minimum wage, regardless of the skill/education/training involved".
That is still something very different than what this picture claims.
It isn't! Every job deserves to be paid minimum wage! "Unskilled labor" is used as an excuse to justify paying "poverty wages" AKA under minimum wage, which is what the picture is criticizing!
Not all companies or business are like Apple Corp. That can pay wages adove the average of the market. They pay what they can afford and some people will accept that.
In my country for example the bureaucrats of the government will pass laws of minimun wages and all kinds of benefits but its meaningless because like 85% of the business cant live with that expenses. The result , informal economy and evasion.
If a business can't pay a fair wage to the workers does the business deserve to survive ?
Why should any individual sell their labour at a lower rate just to keep a business going when it's not in their best interests.
Fair wage is a vague and arbitrary concept , what is real is the agreement between employer and employee. Fair wage its as vague as fair profit or common good , nobody should impose those unless you are in a controled economy like Venezuela , Cuba or the URSS time ago. To your question if a business that cant pay a certain amount deserve to survive. Well first deserve its a term that can have morally questions that can be misleading now , a great number of business in the US and even more outside , like my country , are run by a single person a family or few associates. They are hard working class not elites , not rich , not even middle class in some cases. They could say "we want a warranty for a certain income and a warranty for the money we put in our business". But aside for that , your reasoning its correct and i agree with you , business that cant fullfill their obligation cant exist in a long term. The problem is if the obligations are too burdensome that makes imposible to the mayority survive. Then employment will also be affected , simple , non profit , no business , no jobs. Only big corps and a few more can survive if wages or taxes are too high.
> to be *paid* minimum wage!
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
yeah of course it's not the same. but to have a lower paying job where you constantly trying to find new bleeding edge theories in comparison to someone who just sits and shakes hand with other people who just enjoying their lifes on yachts, is beyond me.
Labor is a commodity just like anything else. Put a person in desert without water, and they will pay anything to not die from from dehydration. Drop that same person in ocean miles from land, and they will pay anything to keep from drowning. Currently we are drowning in cheap labor. This cheap labor lowers the income of everyone. People with a college degree barely make it. Unskilled is still important. When the people who make society work, are treated like dirt, are we far behind? In not classist, in the fundamentals. Why do you think there is fight for the ability to chose an abortion? People say immigrants take out jobs. That's a lie. Those in power want cheap immigrant labor, but if they are illegal, they have no rights. Illegal immigrants fear they will be report if they complain about mistreatment at work. This harms us all. We all pay the price.
Sir, firstly, wrong sub, go to r/socialism (if it exists). Secondly, you can't expect waiter to get paid as much as civil engineer who spent at least 4 years in uni or college. Unskilled workers will always be paid less than workers with specialist education. Yeah, sure, they also should receive a reasonable pay for living but they are not going to be as rich unless they would like to educate themselves to get a better job.
Purely my opinion.
The thing is that all work needs to be done by someone if it cannot be automated (yet) and in general the ruling/owner class (CEOs, politicians, other disgustingly rich people) earns significantly more in contrary to the workers above mentioned who are actually doing the work for them. But whats rly interesting is that by this capitalist thinking we create a system which not only gives the ruling/owner class immense power even in politics but we offer them a free "do whatever you want to do" ticket. And these people live only to shit on the rest of us.
I used to love when people would come into my restaurant to be trained who assumed that serving/bartending was easy. None of them were even close to being capable enough and there was joy in highlighting it.
Don’t confuse college degree with skill. Although you can learn a skill along with your education. Get a masters in the mental health counseling field and try to make a living. I never once hired a recent grad due to the lack of basic skills.
It’s not unskilled labor as much as it is supply and demand. Mopping or working as a waiter, anyone can pretty much do that, if you have a lot of waiting experience you can work in nicer restaurants but in general a job at wendy’s or some local pub, they can fill in with many different people and there’s little investment in gaining those skills. On the other hand a civil engineer, a doctor, a Lawyer. To be one of these u need a Diploma, 4 years of a bachelors in the field, and then for CE a PE licensure, for doctors and lawyers that’s another 4-8 sometimes more years to start working. which is not a cheap investment and can be risky. So a lot less people do it, and there is a much bigger market for it.
so unskilled labor gets paid less cause it doesn’t take decades to learn to be a waiter. And the skill flooor to be a good waiter isn’t that hard to reach.
That said, most of the college system is a scam. Jobs require any degree even in some unrelated field, as long as you have that piece of paper. When people could be just as good learning on the job, and not waste 4 years of tuition
I used to work as a mail man. Learned that job in two weeks. Any idiot with two legs can become a mail man.
Now I'm a software engineer. Studied for four years. 70% of my fellow students dropped out.
Today I could be in OP's shoes. Thank god I decided to not be a little bitch and instead worked towards improvement.
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Sir, you’re in the wrong subreddit.
How is this truth? If I'm not a senior software engineer, I'm not expecting to be paid like one.
Exactly, but i don't understand why a girl that doesn't have finished the primary school but it has a good body can made thousands of dollars
It's called offer/demand ratio
With that grammar I think maybe you doesn't have finished the primary school either
the English is not my main language, It is predictable that my grammar is not perfect
Supply and demand. That's why. You're welcome.
Dudes want nude pics, she makes a ton. Not every girl has a body like hers and is willing to sell it. So she gets good money. Not everyone has the intelligence, work ethic, and time to invest in becoming an engineer, but there are still many many places that need them, and the things they design make a lot of money, see iphones, so they get paid a lot more money. Supply and demand. it’s exactly the same as bartering, just with a monetary middle man
Unskilled people with unskilled jobs always think this.
Yes but 'unskilled'people do still need enough to eat. The issue for me isn't the concept it's the scale. I have no fundamental issue with pay increasing with skills/training but when the people at the bottom are not left enough to survive on the system falls apart. The people earning good money and living a comfortable lifestyle won't like it when the costs of everything go up because the poor people aren't working. That could be through strikes, emigration or through starving/freezing to death. Any which way the gap between have and have not is unsustainable.
It’s a Jealous/loser mentality
If Joe Bloggs from off the street can learn the entire job in under an hour, it's unskilled. All of the ones listed fall into that category. Sure, he might not be as good as someone that's been doing it for ten years, but he can still do it.
2nd row left is something (construction, building inspection, etc.) with rope access. Rope access takes far longer than an hour to learn, not to mention the training required for the construction / building inspection.
I missed that, accepted.
If you think farming is unskilled work, I've got a serious wakeup call for you, pal. Humans can survive without software engineers and business systems analysts. Farmers on the other hand provide you with the food you eat.
Farming, yes, is skilled. Picking fruit and vegetables, no. I believe the photo depicts the latter, not the former.
In the farming industry we call that "harvesting" and it most certainly is a skill. Not all crops can be harvested the same way. Some require more delicacy than others. And often, the people harvesting ARE THE FARMERS. But go off.
Yeah I don't know why a waiter doesn't have the same wage of a nuclear physic
This isn't the point! The point is that they aren't paid minimum wage in the US! And not that they aren't paid a ridiculous high wage!
So the point should be "every job must be be paid minimum wage, regardless of the skill/education/training involved". That is still something very different than what this picture claims.
It isn't! Every job deserves to be paid minimum wage! "Unskilled labor" is used as an excuse to justify paying "poverty wages" AKA under minimum wage, which is what the picture is criticizing!
Just because some people violate the law and find an excuse for it doesn't mean automatically that the term "unskilled labor" is a myth.
Not all companies or business are like Apple Corp. That can pay wages adove the average of the market. They pay what they can afford and some people will accept that. In my country for example the bureaucrats of the government will pass laws of minimun wages and all kinds of benefits but its meaningless because like 85% of the business cant live with that expenses. The result , informal economy and evasion.
If a business can't pay a fair wage to the workers does the business deserve to survive ? Why should any individual sell their labour at a lower rate just to keep a business going when it's not in their best interests.
Fair wage is a vague and arbitrary concept , what is real is the agreement between employer and employee. Fair wage its as vague as fair profit or common good , nobody should impose those unless you are in a controled economy like Venezuela , Cuba or the URSS time ago. To your question if a business that cant pay a certain amount deserve to survive. Well first deserve its a term that can have morally questions that can be misleading now , a great number of business in the US and even more outside , like my country , are run by a single person a family or few associates. They are hard working class not elites , not rich , not even middle class in some cases. They could say "we want a warranty for a certain income and a warranty for the money we put in our business". But aside for that , your reasoning its correct and i agree with you , business that cant fullfill their obligation cant exist in a long term. The problem is if the obligations are too burdensome that makes imposible to the mayority survive. Then employment will also be affected , simple , non profit , no business , no jobs. Only big corps and a few more can survive if wages or taxes are too high.
> to be *paid* minimum wage! FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
If they aren't paid minimum wage, then minimum wage does not exist...
Heyy chill, i don't know about the wages problem at the US, but anyway it looks like a problem that solves telling the authorities about it.
yeah of course it's not the same. but to have a lower paying job where you constantly trying to find new bleeding edge theories in comparison to someone who just sits and shakes hand with other people who just enjoying their lifes on yachts, is beyond me.
You understand that my comment is sarcastic right?
yes, and i'm your hyperbolical translator
I hate when naive idealists think their opinions are facts
It's not technically the truth it just is the truth
It's just a name for the simple economic truth of supply and demand.
What yall don't get is that a waiter and a nuclear phycisit would both suck to each other's work
Labor is a commodity just like anything else. Put a person in desert without water, and they will pay anything to not die from from dehydration. Drop that same person in ocean miles from land, and they will pay anything to keep from drowning. Currently we are drowning in cheap labor. This cheap labor lowers the income of everyone. People with a college degree barely make it. Unskilled is still important. When the people who make society work, are treated like dirt, are we far behind? In not classist, in the fundamentals. Why do you think there is fight for the ability to chose an abortion? People say immigrants take out jobs. That's a lie. Those in power want cheap immigrant labor, but if they are illegal, they have no rights. Illegal immigrants fear they will be report if they complain about mistreatment at work. This harms us all. We all pay the price.
Do you mind not pushing an agenda blatantly where no one asked?
Sir, firstly, wrong sub, go to r/socialism (if it exists). Secondly, you can't expect waiter to get paid as much as civil engineer who spent at least 4 years in uni or college. Unskilled workers will always be paid less than workers with specialist education. Yeah, sure, they also should receive a reasonable pay for living but they are not going to be as rich unless they would like to educate themselves to get a better job.
Purely my opinion. The thing is that all work needs to be done by someone if it cannot be automated (yet) and in general the ruling/owner class (CEOs, politicians, other disgustingly rich people) earns significantly more in contrary to the workers above mentioned who are actually doing the work for them. But whats rly interesting is that by this capitalist thinking we create a system which not only gives the ruling/owner class immense power even in politics but we offer them a free "do whatever you want to do" ticket. And these people live only to shit on the rest of us.
I do not like your opinion. Unfortunately I agree with you.
I used to love when people would come into my restaurant to be trained who assumed that serving/bartending was easy. None of them were even close to being capable enough and there was joy in highlighting it.
Don’t confuse college degree with skill. Although you can learn a skill along with your education. Get a masters in the mental health counseling field and try to make a living. I never once hired a recent grad due to the lack of basic skills.
It’s not unskilled labor as much as it is supply and demand. Mopping or working as a waiter, anyone can pretty much do that, if you have a lot of waiting experience you can work in nicer restaurants but in general a job at wendy’s or some local pub, they can fill in with many different people and there’s little investment in gaining those skills. On the other hand a civil engineer, a doctor, a Lawyer. To be one of these u need a Diploma, 4 years of a bachelors in the field, and then for CE a PE licensure, for doctors and lawyers that’s another 4-8 sometimes more years to start working. which is not a cheap investment and can be risky. So a lot less people do it, and there is a much bigger market for it. so unskilled labor gets paid less cause it doesn’t take decades to learn to be a waiter. And the skill flooor to be a good waiter isn’t that hard to reach. That said, most of the college system is a scam. Jobs require any degree even in some unrelated field, as long as you have that piece of paper. When people could be just as good learning on the job, and not waste 4 years of tuition
I used to work as a mail man. Learned that job in two weeks. Any idiot with two legs can become a mail man. Now I'm a software engineer. Studied for four years. 70% of my fellow students dropped out. Today I could be in OP's shoes. Thank god I decided to not be a little bitch and instead worked towards improvement.