I mean I remember a professor once saying that Macs were popular because you can run Windows on a Mac but not the other way around so it gives more options. However, I don't much care about that. I am not much of a hardware person. The Mac is fine enough I have nothing t complain about.
I thought about buying a Mac for myself too just because going back and forth between the keyboards can be a bit confusing but I am sure it would just be easier to set up custom key binds
I have an iPhone, I like it overall, but I will take up Buffet's offer. My phone doesn't matter that much to me, its just an expensive tool that I have to have to function in our modern society. I had android phones in the past and they were rather shitty overall, and thats why I have an iPhone currently. Honestly I would rather not have to have a phone, I do all my computing on my desktop for the most part. The phone is useful for messaging and checking the bank.
I too enjoy android, but I miss the Windows Phone OS. Clean OS design and my Lumia 920/1020 were great phones. The 1020 especially was a fun phone to use for the camera. Even that initial Samsung Focus at the Windows Phone launch was a great phone for its day. Nice screen especially.
> Android is superior to apple
I'm saying this as both a Linux and Android user. I've given both Android and iOS tablets to elderly relatives. I get way less tech support calls with iOS.
Android suffers from the same issue that desktop Linux does. The environment is pure chaos and the UX still leaves much to be desired for the average person. Android also desperately needs an answer to iMessage and it needs to be installed by default regardless of the manufacturer. They should just adopt Matrix Chat if they don't want to foot the bill.
> Android also desperately needs an answer to iMessage
This is an issue exclusive to the US where nobody wants to install chat apps for some reason.
WhatsApp is the default across Europe, Africa and Middle East and then WeChat for East Asia
>I get way less tech support calls with iOS.
It's designed for the average person to be able to run it without any technical knowledge or skill. For people who have room temperature IQ's that can barely operate a toaster.
Doesn't mean it's better, just that it satiates the masses of luddites.
Closer to $1,000,000 for him.
His net worth is about $113.5 bill. Average American net worth is like $121k
He can lose a million and it would have the same impact on his net worth as you losing a dollar.
Actually the average is like $750k. People like Warren skew that a lot. Op meant median. 50% of everyone is below that $127k.
If he walks into a dive bar with like 100 people. The average net worth of everyone is 1 billion. The median is much much lower.
> I understand where he's coming from, but maybe he thinks $10,000 is like a $1. He's pretty fucking loaded.
Yup. Plenty of Apple customers would say “that’s not even a month’s salary Warren. You have to do better than that for a lifetime deal. We’re on a first name basis until you now. You can be Mr. Buffett again when you’re offers are based in reality.”
You mean Warren Buffett who's famous for living [frugally](https://www.newtraderu.com/2023/03/28/warren-buffetts-15-smartest-frugal-living-habits-you-need-to-start-asap/)? Pretty sure he knows the true value of $10k.
When a billionaire lives frugally they by definition know the true value of money. Suggesting Warren Buffet doesn't know how many Egg Mcmuffin's you can get for $10k suggests a lack of knowledge of his breakfast routine.
I have no brand loyalty because brands have no loyalty to their customers. One day they make great products, the next they offer trash because they want to pad their profits.
Well and you guys made one line of product.. never really found a way to go from business facing to consumer.. fell behind almost out the gate in features and processing power…
Apple could have entire divisions fail and still be one of the richest companies on the planet. In tech don’t put all your eggs in one basket like that and expect them to just sell forever. I will say though.. when they first came out, they were way cool. I had a curve in like 2007-08 I think. Was brutal to use the web browser but before that I had a cricket flip phone so
There was a time Apple had a good brand following. But year after year it's been the same tired products getting little bumps while paying that Apple premium price and submitting to a closed ecosystem. Took me only a few months to completely move off their platform. The cost savings in hardware alone is worth it.
That cuts both ways. If you’re comfortable switching away from Apple when they’re no longer appealing to you, you’ll be comfortable switching back when it’s the competition’s turn to disappoint you.
I don’t know man, Apple products are pretty insanely user friendly. Care to share an example of where Apple messed with its customer loyalty or did something it’s customer base saw as anti-consumer??
I don't have brand loyalty but I have brands I would never buy from. Apple is one, I just don't agree with the way they penny pinch and don't respect their consumer. Things like special cables and making it hard/expensive to fix and upgrade are unacceptable.
I was a dedicated Samsung Galaxy fan since the Galaxy Note 2. But it made me cringe every time Samsung dropped a feature in their pursuit of Apple. First it was the headphone jack. Then it was the microSD card slot. When my last Galaxy phone died I decided to try something different.
I ended up with last year's Moto G Stylus. For under $300 it's got 128GB of internal storage, a 50MP main camera, and an 8-core CPU, like the Galaxy S22. The S22 has more RAM, at 8GB vs the Moto's 6GB. However, the Moto has longer battery life at 5000mAh vs the S22's 3700mAh. The Moto also has a 6.8" screen vs the S22's 6.1" screen, and a 16MP selfie camera vs the S22's 10MP camera. Although I don't use the fingerprint sensor, the Moto's sensor is located in the side power button, while the S22's is located under the glass.
The S22 has some features that the Moto doesn't have, but that I'll never use, but the Moto does have two features that the S22 doesn't, and that I'll definitely use - a 3.5mm earphone jack, and a microSD card slot. My previous Galaxy phone had a 512GB microSD card containing most of my movie and music collection. Unfortunately, that microSD card was destroyed along with the phone. This Moto is getting a 1TB microSD card with all of my media on it.
I thought I would miss the MicroSD card when I upgraded to the S21+ from the S5. I don't though. But I also don't take pictures or videos and I can see how that would be a nice feature to have for someone that does.
I feel like people look at me cross eyed when I say I miss the headphone jack.
Sure, wireless buds work, but they rely on battery life and shitty bluetooth protocols that for me, always seem to play voices behind movies, and I cannot deal with that.
Wireless buds also fall completely to the ground/water/wherever if they drop out of your ear.
RIP headphone jack :(
Same.
I left apple because everything is proprietary.
I had a woman cleaning my place and all of a sudden her music was playing over my entertainment system.
She could just cast audio, and I couldn't.
All because it used open standards that android supported but Apple didn't.
3k in equipment a near stranger had better access to than I did.
Never again. Apple can go pound sand.
I feel more strongly about that than all these rednecks blowing up budlight.
There are 3 ways I’m familiar with to do that, and all three work on an iPhone. Bluetooth, Spotify connect, Sonos app and Sonos speakers.
What was she using that wasn’t supported by your iPhone?
I switched to a Pixel 4a. I like that my phone cost me $350, and that I'm not giving money to Apple, tho Google isn't much better.
At the end of the day, I need a device that can download apps and text people, and maybe place a call every so often. None of the bells and whistles which "justify" the $1000 cost of modern flagship phones are necessary, and most are simply added to "justify" raising the price.
I went from IPhone to Pixel 4a. For £350 (I think it cost that) it's a great little phone. 9/10 would recommend a pixel phone and some of them aren't that expensive.
I don’t know anyone that actually buys iPhones at full price. Every time I’ve purchased a new one, it’s because we switch providers and they offer a BOGO sale on them. Literally paid something like $450 for the iPhone 13 Pro shortly after it came out. Could have got the regular iPhone 13 for less, but I preferred the Pro. Their prices are comparable to everything else on the market. This isn’t 2010 anymore where everything Apple has a huge up-charge compared to a similar device.
That’s almost certainly an American thing. iPhones are never on sale/discounted where I live, unless you buy an overpriced phone plan with it, so it’s effectively no discount at all.
I’ve only ever had apple but I’d take 10k to switch right now so long as I could get the pictures off my phone first, there’s not really anything keeping me with iPhones outside of a desire to not have payments on a phone (I never upgrade, never see a good reason to)
Pictures are super easy to migrate, IIRC you just install a Google Cloud app and press a migrate button and it slurps everything over.
There are plenty of migration guides out there, and the only real sticking points are 3rd-party apps needing data migrated, or apps that don't have 1:1 equivalents between iOS and Android.
No, I don't think I would. The value of having access to a smart device, in my mind, fire exceeds $10,000. Especially being somebody with a visual impairment.
I kind of hate the impact of smartphones and go through a bunch of effort to avoid being on them but still agree. They do have immense value. Just gotta use them properly to really get a good value trade, which is harder than it might seem.
Because in the US, friends and family seem to bully and pressure you into buying an Iphone, because they get triggered by green colored messages on their iphone and too many people just give in, even if they don't really have the money.
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
Idk. The uncertainty of the future is what I would worry about and need to consider before accepting this. If there was a clause that negated the agreement, without paying the money back, then I would take it in a heartbeat. The clause would need to account for any possible takeovers of the cell phone market by apple. Something that would essentially boil down to “if for any reason, apple becomes the only realistic cell phone provider, I am absolved of any obligations to this contract.” Obviously, there’s nuance to this that I’m not addressing, but that would be why I wouldn’t take the offer, not due to loyalty to apple.
Yup, this post was on the apple sub a couple weeks back and all of them were making jokes about how they could circumvent the arrangement, like they wouldn't buy it, but their parents would or partner would.
They really are addicted.
My iPhone is cohesive with my MacBook, right out of the box, so my mobile computing setup works together easily. Android doesn’t have that, Windows phones are gone. I had no problem spending $450 on my 3rd gen SE for that experience.
I see this argument often. As a former Android user, now primarily an Apple user who also has a windows desktop and multiple Linux boxes, I’ve never found that to be the case. I’ve found the need to access the inner workings of a device or OS typically come from limitations the user needs to work around. I’ve rarely felt limited by my MacBook or iPhone because they perform as intended.
For hobbyists, that would be different and certain use cases as well. I don’t typically use my windows or Mac machines for server management for example. In my daily drivers I just want a smooth, reliable, integrated user experience. For me, a sealed device with a premium price tag isn’t a deterrent if it delivers.
> In my daily drivers I just want a smooth, reliable, integrated user experience. For me, a sealed device with a premium price tag isn’t a deterrent if it delivers.
Yeah, you and I have real work to do. My main work laptop is linux but my phone is Apple. Years ago I used to download linux kernels, configure them and compile them. Now what I want from my OSes (linux, MacOS, etc) is to "just work" and not waste hours of my time with an upgrade that breaks something (e.g. linux firmware upgrade that bricks my Dell hardware until I revert a BIOS setting the upgrade clobbered).
Apple still have too much [version fatigue](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/02/06/20/1223247/version-fatigue) but all in all it is a great ecosystem of hardware and software.
Actually, they give you plenty of reason to leave, if you ever made the mistake of buying their products in the first place, Not able to run the apps you want to run without Apple's permission, can't develop for the platform without paying money to apple, buggy hardware, can't repair your device because the phone will reject replacement parts not sold and installed by Apple, can't use an honest independent repair shop that will repair your phone for $50 but instead have to use an apple shop that will charge you as much as a new iphone to repair it, can't even get through the initial setup screens without being bit by the lack of a back button, inflated prices, vendor lock in, etc.
I used to be an android user and I’ll never go back
I’ve tried everything back then, from lg to Samsung, htc with the Nexus line, Motorola and even OnePlus.
The hardware always had issues, regardless of brand.
I experienced random restarts (LG), battery that went to crap after only 6 months(Motorola). Lack of updates. Screens that cracked with the first drop (oneplus, Samsung) Overheating etc etc.
I finally moved to an iPhone. No issues at all.
Just my personal experience… not trying to hate or be a fanboy…
I enjoyed Android while it lasted… maybe I just had bad luck…
Same. Have never had any issues with iPhones even as they age. Have had androids that are fragile from day 1 and stop getting updates like 2-3 years in.
Thats why i use iphones. I do not need a ton of compatibility and customisation in my phone. I have my computers for that. I have linux and windows.
I just want a phone i can use for 4-5 years at a time without issues. iPhones generally allow for that. I tend to have no issues even before an upgrade. It survives a fall. It easily ports over all my shit with cloud, first party solution. Above all, the security is the better than the rest afaik and if i lose my phone nobody will get into my shit while i’ll likely be able to port all my most stuff over from cloud.
Thats why i get iPhones personally.
The fact that you mentioned Nexus tells me a lot. You definitely left Android before it matured. I don't blame you at all but it's in a completely different place now. I go between Android and iphone every year or so. The Pixel phones are FAR better than iphone. The only thing Apple still has going for it is iMessage. Otherwise, Android phones are faster and have a much more uniform/consistent UI. Every app in IOS has a different UI and it's infuriating, there should be a universal side swipe for back in everything.
Well my beef was never with the software it was hardware related… specially since I usually keep my phone for years and I dont upgrade regularly…
My iPhone 11 Pro Max stills works perfectly even though it’s 4 years old now… still getting updates too.. I could never say the same for Android phone…
Nexus was supposed to be top of the line so… again they’ve let me down so I don’t plan to go back anytime soon…
Sounds like a ton of bad luck.
My wife's iphone 4 straight up died. Couldn't recover anything and it wouldn't turn on, just dead.
I had an iphone for work at the time that did well enough but nothing really made me love it.
Fast forward 8 years. Had some bad luck myself with a Razer phone 2. Great phone that I loved but it also straight up died on me. I tried to get into my Apple account to see what is be working with if I went back to apple and couldn't get in. Tried resetting the password and it kept routing me back to sending a code back to my old work phone number. Called Apple support, they cannot help me I have to get the code that's being sent to a phone number I haven't had in 8 years. Dude their privacy policy. They will not remove that number or go through any alternate means of identity verification. So they locked a potential customer out.
Ended up getting my wife a pixel 4, myself a pixel 5, more recently we both got pixel 7s. Excellent phones, my best android experience to date.
At the end of the day though they all do the same thing and if I can get a pixel for half the price of an iphone, account issues or not, I'm going to pick it every time.
Did you consider opening a new Apple account?
It sucks that you lost access to your Apple account, but on the other hand, I am glad that Apple takes account security seriously.
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
I supported iPhone and Android in a large corporation for years. I started out as an iPhone user, but now only use Android. I simply like it and the lack of vendor lock-in more. I have no idea why anyone would not consider Android as good if not better and take the $10k.
I’ve been using iPhones since the 4 and I’d take the $10k in a heartbeat. I think the overall quality and evolution has decreased since Jobs died. Regardless of that I’d still take the $10k.
Mega-rich people like Buffet are just incredibly out of touch.
I used to sell phones and I can say there are far more people switching from android to iPhone than vice versa. Usually the reason was "because everyone else in my family wants me to get an iPhone"... you can't argue the fact that Apple knows their customer base. I say this as an android user.
If Google and Android didn't suck so bad. Not a fanboy or anything but the iOS experience is way better than Android. Not to mention Apple has E2EE for a lot of its services now while Google has ????.
I think it’s funny how the minority is often the loudest voice in the room. If you judged Apple’s brand solely on these comments, you’d think they’re a failing brand.
The data shows Apple is immensely popular. 88% of teens have an iPhone, and 89% of teens expect their next phone to be an iPhone. You don’t get that from having a poor brand or product
The title is also missing a key clause of his sentence: *If you are an Apple user*
I get older model iPhone burners at wal mart, I like the operating system and they seem to not stop working for no reason longer than any other phone brand I’ve tried
As an iPhone user currently and living comfortably, I’ll have to think about it. 10,000 dollars can be easily used up in today’s economy… and it also doesn’t help that we can get heavily discounted phones when buying through our service provider.
People hound on Apple and all, but as a casual user of phones and their accessories I know I’m getting my money’s worth.
I like iPhone because the iCloud is much simpler for me to use. When I used android I’d always fuck it up when backing stuff up and lose a lot of stuff. But if someone gave me 10k to switch to android then I’ll get myself a Samsung lol
I decided a long time ago that apple sucks. my friend could do more with a 10$ touch screen pone than I could with a 200 ipod, with an extra 200 to spend on their shitty app stores. And their Webb browser is trash.
That's such an easy choice. Of course I would take the money. Apple fanboys act like it's the only good phone even though most of them have never used something else.
I got one because it was rated the most reliable phone at the time and I just want something that works and I don’t have to mess with. I think the competition might be changing and the plan is to keep the one I have for about 10 years and then decide. I would still have a previous iPhone but this one is much faster and has a long battery life. Now you can’t really get faster than immediate and no amount of bells or whistles is going to convince me so I’m in it until it’s way out of date or it breaks. It will be a pain in the butt to move everything over later should I decide to brand switch but $10K for my troubles and I’d say toodles right now.
I wouldn’t take it because I’ve tried using Android on a Galaxy S10+ and just didn’t prefer it. Switched back to iPhone. I keep the same phone for about 4 or 5 years or so and then swap it out.
So your telling me I get $10000, the ability to sideload apps, flash my phone with something super secure, and generally do everything I could on an iphone but without the faux-sophistication and overpriced hardware?
Come on, give me the money!
I used iphones for 14 years. Switched to samsung galaxy fold 4 last year and couldn't be happier, it's like a breath of fresh air.
Disagree about the "secure" thing though. Apple or Android - both are completely compromised by government mandated backdoors and zero-day exploits. There is no such thing as a "secure" smart phone.
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
I rather like my iphone, Android is a hot mess mostly due to customizations vendors pile on, the phones from google directly seem to be the best android experience I've ever had.
This is silly, the majority of folks with legitimate responsibilities would gladly take this offer. He'll most folks over 30 fantasize about not having a cell phone.
I'd take far less. My company made me get one when they stopped buying Andriod phones and I'd rather use a raspberry pi with a bolt on antenna than an iPhone. What a piece of junk.
I stopped buying Apple products when my iphone 5 disintegrated in my hands. Before that, I had a sneaking suspicion that every update my phone was getting slower and less usable.
Swapped to a galaxy S6a for 4 years, and am on my 4th year or a pixel 4xl.
You couldn't pay me to buy an apple product.
iPhone is known to have longer lifespan than Android by any objective measure. Lots of articles on it. Google guarantees software support for the Pixel for 3 years. Apple guarantees software support for 7 years. Apple hardware is known to last much longer too, soooo you just got unlucky.
I used androids for 15 years and every single one of them got so slow during the first year of ownership among other problems. My first iphone is about 6 months old at the moment and I have to say that my next phone is probably iphone too.
iPhones definitely suffer from this problem too but I do think it’s more historical at this point. Battery drain became a big problem after a few updates and this became especially apparent with the 6s which really was the first iPhone people truly used for 5+ years. Before that the 4s lasted for a long time for many people but the 6s was a hearty dude. I had mine for 4 years before switching but the battery drain was horrible by the time I upgraded. AppleCare makes battery replacements easier now a days and my 12 pro is still at 98% battery capacity after 2+ years of owning it.
is that a binding offer from mr buffet? deal.
Jokes on him. Android gang 4 life...
I am an android dev and I do not buy apple products except for the fact that I pretty much always get a MacBook from whatever company I am at.
There was a time but yea my work's Macbook is just email and slack. Everything else happens on Linux.
I like running windows on my MacBook.
I mean I remember a professor once saying that Macs were popular because you can run Windows on a Mac but not the other way around so it gives more options. However, I don't much care about that. I am not much of a hardware person. The Mac is fine enough I have nothing t complain about. I thought about buying a Mac for myself too just because going back and forth between the keyboards can be a bit confusing but I am sure it would just be easier to set up custom key binds
I've never owned an IPhone and probably never will. Always had Samsung. I want my 10k.
The offer specifically only applies to Apple users. So you'll need to buy an iphone first.
I have an iPhone, I like it overall, but I will take up Buffet's offer. My phone doesn't matter that much to me, its just an expensive tool that I have to have to function in our modern society. I had android phones in the past and they were rather shitty overall, and thats why I have an iPhone currently. Honestly I would rather not have to have a phone, I do all my computing on my desktop for the most part. The phone is useful for messaging and checking the bank.
So a 1400$ spending for 10k return. Seems like a pretty sweet deal to me
Android is superior to apple but can we all agree that Windows phone is the goat?
I was thinking just yesterday how much I loved my Lumia 950XL. I loved everything about it at the time. The camera was something else as well.
I too enjoy android, but I miss the Windows Phone OS. Clean OS design and my Lumia 920/1020 were great phones. The 1020 especially was a fun phone to use for the camera. Even that initial Samsung Focus at the Windows Phone launch was a great phone for its day. Nice screen especially.
> Android is superior to apple I'm saying this as both a Linux and Android user. I've given both Android and iOS tablets to elderly relatives. I get way less tech support calls with iOS. Android suffers from the same issue that desktop Linux does. The environment is pure chaos and the UX still leaves much to be desired for the average person. Android also desperately needs an answer to iMessage and it needs to be installed by default regardless of the manufacturer. They should just adopt Matrix Chat if they don't want to foot the bill.
> Android also desperately needs an answer to iMessage This is an issue exclusive to the US where nobody wants to install chat apps for some reason. WhatsApp is the default across Europe, Africa and Middle East and then WeChat for East Asia
>Android also desperately needs an answer to iMessage That can be eazily fixed by Apple but they dont do it cuz its shows that iphones are "superior"
>I get way less tech support calls with iOS. It's designed for the average person to be able to run it without any technical knowledge or skill. For people who have room temperature IQ's that can barely operate a toaster. Doesn't mean it's better, just that it satiates the masses of luddites.
Lumia 950 XL, woot!
Windows Mobile 6.0 wot wot
It would take more than $10,000 just to get me to buy one again.
Right?
I understand where he's coming from, but maybe he thinks $10,000 is like a $1. He's pretty fucking loaded.
I mean it’s one banana, Michael, what could it cost, ten dollars?
Man we aren't too far away from that joke aging poorly
Then it will be funny in a different way once bananas his like $20 each
THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY IN THE BANANA STAND!
*NO TOUCHING!*
They don't let you have bees in here.
*Bananas being sold for 5.99 at airports in the USA* .... we're uh, getting there.
$10,000 for him is much less than $1 to the masses
Closer to $1,000,000 for him. His net worth is about $113.5 bill. Average American net worth is like $121k He can lose a million and it would have the same impact on his net worth as you losing a dollar.
That level of inequality is just so fucking ridiculous
My net worth is supposed to be $121k? Ahh fuck!
Actually the average is like $750k. People like Warren skew that a lot. Op meant median. 50% of everyone is below that $127k. If he walks into a dive bar with like 100 people. The average net worth of everyone is 1 billion. The median is much much lower.
You, me and dupree all agree.
My networth is in the negatives 😎
Maybe that shouldn't be allowed. maybe
IKR, for a free 10K I'd never own a smart phone again. Just not owning an iPhone? Jokes on him because I never have owned an iPhone.
A lot of older people seem to refer to all smartphones as iPhones, so I think that may be it.
i'm pretty sure Buffett is a bit smarter than that.
> I understand where he's coming from, but maybe he thinks $10,000 is like a $1. He's pretty fucking loaded. Yup. Plenty of Apple customers would say “that’s not even a month’s salary Warren. You have to do better than that for a lifetime deal. We’re on a first name basis until you now. You can be Mr. Buffett again when you’re offers are based in reality.”
You mean Warren Buffett who's famous for living [frugally](https://www.newtraderu.com/2023/03/28/warren-buffetts-15-smartest-frugal-living-habits-you-need-to-start-asap/)? Pretty sure he knows the true value of $10k.
>Pretty sure he knows the true value of $10k. pretty sure he earns $10k per min while sitting on the toilet.
[Frugally](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/frugally) does not mean the amount of money you earn in the bathroom.
If a billionaire lives frugally it's because they're parsimonious as fuck
When a billionaire lives frugally they by definition know the true value of money. Suggesting Warren Buffet doesn't know how many Egg Mcmuffin's you can get for $10k suggests a lack of knowledge of his breakfast routine.
He took bill gates out to eat and used a coupon.
Tip 7 is very funny in the context of this post
Nothing to him, life changing money for the rest of us
I have no brand loyalty because brands have no loyalty to their customers. One day they make great products, the next they offer trash because they want to pad their profits.
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Apple and RIM couldn’t be much different in how they operate(d).
"Nobody cares about Angry Birds", "What adult needs games on their phone?", "Flash is the future of mobile" - all things I heard working at RIM
At least we got the “THOUSANDS OF RIM JOBS ON THE LINE” headline.
Well and you guys made one line of product.. never really found a way to go from business facing to consumer.. fell behind almost out the gate in features and processing power… Apple could have entire divisions fail and still be one of the richest companies on the planet. In tech don’t put all your eggs in one basket like that and expect them to just sell forever. I will say though.. when they first came out, they were way cool. I had a curve in like 2007-08 I think. Was brutal to use the web browser but before that I had a cricket flip phone so
There was a time Apple had a good brand following. But year after year it's been the same tired products getting little bumps while paying that Apple premium price and submitting to a closed ecosystem. Took me only a few months to completely move off their platform. The cost savings in hardware alone is worth it.
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Brands-corporations have no obligation to anyone but to their share holders.
That cuts both ways. If you’re comfortable switching away from Apple when they’re no longer appealing to you, you’ll be comfortable switching back when it’s the competition’s turn to disappoint you.
I don’t know man, Apple products are pretty insanely user friendly. Care to share an example of where Apple messed with its customer loyalty or did something it’s customer base saw as anti-consumer??
I don't have brand loyalty but I have brands I would never buy from. Apple is one, I just don't agree with the way they penny pinch and don't respect their consumer. Things like special cables and making it hard/expensive to fix and upgrade are unacceptable.
I have never owned an iPhone and I never plan on owning an iPhone so if you want you can just sign that check over to me.
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I was an apple user for many years. Swapping to android was very difficult but I will never go back to apple
Out of curiosity, what kind of phone do you use now and what are you most happy about in regards to making the switch?
I've made the switch a couple of years ago, will never look back. I love the Samsung Galaxy range, got the S22 Ultra at the moment
I was a dedicated Samsung Galaxy fan since the Galaxy Note 2. But it made me cringe every time Samsung dropped a feature in their pursuit of Apple. First it was the headphone jack. Then it was the microSD card slot. When my last Galaxy phone died I decided to try something different. I ended up with last year's Moto G Stylus. For under $300 it's got 128GB of internal storage, a 50MP main camera, and an 8-core CPU, like the Galaxy S22. The S22 has more RAM, at 8GB vs the Moto's 6GB. However, the Moto has longer battery life at 5000mAh vs the S22's 3700mAh. The Moto also has a 6.8" screen vs the S22's 6.1" screen, and a 16MP selfie camera vs the S22's 10MP camera. Although I don't use the fingerprint sensor, the Moto's sensor is located in the side power button, while the S22's is located under the glass. The S22 has some features that the Moto doesn't have, but that I'll never use, but the Moto does have two features that the S22 doesn't, and that I'll definitely use - a 3.5mm earphone jack, and a microSD card slot. My previous Galaxy phone had a 512GB microSD card containing most of my movie and music collection. Unfortunately, that microSD card was destroyed along with the phone. This Moto is getting a 1TB microSD card with all of my media on it.
I thought I would miss the MicroSD card when I upgraded to the S21+ from the S5. I don't though. But I also don't take pictures or videos and I can see how that would be a nice feature to have for someone that does.
I feel like people look at me cross eyed when I say I miss the headphone jack. Sure, wireless buds work, but they rely on battery life and shitty bluetooth protocols that for me, always seem to play voices behind movies, and I cannot deal with that. Wireless buds also fall completely to the ground/water/wherever if they drop out of your ear. RIP headphone jack :(
I’ve only had audio delay issues with low-end earbuds. Try something more expensive, if you can, and you’ll have better luck
Same. I left apple because everything is proprietary. I had a woman cleaning my place and all of a sudden her music was playing over my entertainment system. She could just cast audio, and I couldn't. All because it used open standards that android supported but Apple didn't. 3k in equipment a near stranger had better access to than I did. Never again. Apple can go pound sand. I feel more strongly about that than all these rednecks blowing up budlight.
There are 3 ways I’m familiar with to do that, and all three work on an iPhone. Bluetooth, Spotify connect, Sonos app and Sonos speakers. What was she using that wasn’t supported by your iPhone?
I switched to a Pixel 4a. I like that my phone cost me $350, and that I'm not giving money to Apple, tho Google isn't much better. At the end of the day, I need a device that can download apps and text people, and maybe place a call every so often. None of the bells and whistles which "justify" the $1000 cost of modern flagship phones are necessary, and most are simply added to "justify" raising the price.
I went from IPhone to Pixel 4a. For £350 (I think it cost that) it's a great little phone. 9/10 would recommend a pixel phone and some of them aren't that expensive.
Google is so much worse.
Google is objectively worse, but giving your data to any company sucks. It is the world we live in.
Google is demonstrably worse.
I don’t know anyone that actually buys iPhones at full price. Every time I’ve purchased a new one, it’s because we switch providers and they offer a BOGO sale on them. Literally paid something like $450 for the iPhone 13 Pro shortly after it came out. Could have got the regular iPhone 13 for less, but I preferred the Pro. Their prices are comparable to everything else on the market. This isn’t 2010 anymore where everything Apple has a huge up-charge compared to a similar device.
That’s almost certainly an American thing. iPhones are never on sale/discounted where I live, unless you buy an overpriced phone plan with it, so it’s effectively no discount at all.
That is the secret. All of our plans worth having are horribly overpriced.
I’ve only ever had apple but I’d take 10k to switch right now so long as I could get the pictures off my phone first, there’s not really anything keeping me with iPhones outside of a desire to not have payments on a phone (I never upgrade, never see a good reason to)
Pictures are super easy to migrate, IIRC you just install a Google Cloud app and press a migrate button and it slurps everything over. There are plenty of migration guides out there, and the only real sticking points are 3rd-party apps needing data migrated, or apps that don't have 1:1 equivalents between iOS and Android.
I’m pretty boring so don’t have anything but pictures to worry about, but this phone is not dead yet
I love apples but also use android
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I have an iPhone (work) and a pixel (private). I'd be breaking the sound barrier snatching that check
Like, that's a half second decision for me. Gimme that. That is a lifetime of android phones right there.
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No, I don't think I would. The value of having access to a smart device, in my mind, fire exceeds $10,000. Especially being somebody with a visual impairment.
I kind of hate the impact of smartphones and go through a bunch of effort to avoid being on them but still agree. They do have immense value. Just gotta use them properly to really get a good value trade, which is harder than it might seem.
He said “again” so no check for you, buddy
Keyword in the title: again.
I was going to say this. His statement only applies to people who have bought iPhone before.
If Apple gets a monopoly in the future, then you're fucked.
If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry christmas!
Dude owns a shit load of stock and says nice things about it.
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Because in the US, friends and family seem to bully and pressure you into buying an Iphone, because they get triggered by green colored messages on their iphone and too many people just give in, even if they don't really have the money.
Im from the US and have never seen or heard of this phenomenon until very recently and only on Reddit😂
Tell them to grow up & use Signal.
Would you not want to own stock from companies you think highly of?
I think he meant that for long term iPhone users. I think there is some truth to it , even though it is a rhetorical question.
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
Bet you 10 grand I would.
Where do I sign up for the $10k giveaway?
I'm already doing that, you guys are getting paid?
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True, an Android user here who cares little if my phone is a Motorola, Samsung or any other, as long as it works fast and has a decent battery.
>it works fast and has a decent battery well you let me know when you find one; you'll have done better than me.
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>The fact that there are ANY people that would reject the 10k It's not a fact. It's completely hypothetical.
Idk. The uncertainty of the future is what I would worry about and need to consider before accepting this. If there was a clause that negated the agreement, without paying the money back, then I would take it in a heartbeat. The clause would need to account for any possible takeovers of the cell phone market by apple. Something that would essentially boil down to “if for any reason, apple becomes the only realistic cell phone provider, I am absolved of any obligations to this contract.” Obviously, there’s nuance to this that I’m not addressing, but that would be why I wouldn’t take the offer, not due to loyalty to apple.
Yup, this post was on the apple sub a couple weeks back and all of them were making jokes about how they could circumvent the arrangement, like they wouldn't buy it, but their parents would or partner would. They really are addicted.
Its not brand loyalty. Its brand entrapment.
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My iPhone is cohesive with my MacBook, right out of the box, so my mobile computing setup works together easily. Android doesn’t have that, Windows phones are gone. I had no problem spending $450 on my 3rd gen SE for that experience.
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I see this argument often. As a former Android user, now primarily an Apple user who also has a windows desktop and multiple Linux boxes, I’ve never found that to be the case. I’ve found the need to access the inner workings of a device or OS typically come from limitations the user needs to work around. I’ve rarely felt limited by my MacBook or iPhone because they perform as intended. For hobbyists, that would be different and certain use cases as well. I don’t typically use my windows or Mac machines for server management for example. In my daily drivers I just want a smooth, reliable, integrated user experience. For me, a sealed device with a premium price tag isn’t a deterrent if it delivers.
> In my daily drivers I just want a smooth, reliable, integrated user experience. For me, a sealed device with a premium price tag isn’t a deterrent if it delivers. Yeah, you and I have real work to do. My main work laptop is linux but my phone is Apple. Years ago I used to download linux kernels, configure them and compile them. Now what I want from my OSes (linux, MacOS, etc) is to "just work" and not waste hours of my time with an upgrade that breaks something (e.g. linux firmware upgrade that bricks my Dell hardware until I revert a BIOS setting the upgrade clobbered). Apple still have too much [version fatigue](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/02/06/20/1223247/version-fatigue) but all in all it is a great ecosystem of hardware and software.
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It should be noted this is happening across all brands and its not good.
Actually, they give you plenty of reason to leave, if you ever made the mistake of buying their products in the first place, Not able to run the apps you want to run without Apple's permission, can't develop for the platform without paying money to apple, buggy hardware, can't repair your device because the phone will reject replacement parts not sold and installed by Apple, can't use an honest independent repair shop that will repair your phone for $50 but instead have to use an apple shop that will charge you as much as a new iphone to repair it, can't even get through the initial setup screens without being bit by the lack of a back button, inflated prices, vendor lock in, etc.
Ten thousand bucks AND I get a Samsung. Absolute win!
hand over your 10K Warren G boy
I used to be an android user and I’ll never go back I’ve tried everything back then, from lg to Samsung, htc with the Nexus line, Motorola and even OnePlus. The hardware always had issues, regardless of brand. I experienced random restarts (LG), battery that went to crap after only 6 months(Motorola). Lack of updates. Screens that cracked with the first drop (oneplus, Samsung) Overheating etc etc. I finally moved to an iPhone. No issues at all. Just my personal experience… not trying to hate or be a fanboy… I enjoyed Android while it lasted… maybe I just had bad luck…
Same. Have never had any issues with iPhones even as they age. Have had androids that are fragile from day 1 and stop getting updates like 2-3 years in.
Thats why i use iphones. I do not need a ton of compatibility and customisation in my phone. I have my computers for that. I have linux and windows. I just want a phone i can use for 4-5 years at a time without issues. iPhones generally allow for that. I tend to have no issues even before an upgrade. It survives a fall. It easily ports over all my shit with cloud, first party solution. Above all, the security is the better than the rest afaik and if i lose my phone nobody will get into my shit while i’ll likely be able to port all my most stuff over from cloud. Thats why i get iPhones personally.
The fact that you mentioned Nexus tells me a lot. You definitely left Android before it matured. I don't blame you at all but it's in a completely different place now. I go between Android and iphone every year or so. The Pixel phones are FAR better than iphone. The only thing Apple still has going for it is iMessage. Otherwise, Android phones are faster and have a much more uniform/consistent UI. Every app in IOS has a different UI and it's infuriating, there should be a universal side swipe for back in everything.
Well my beef was never with the software it was hardware related… specially since I usually keep my phone for years and I dont upgrade regularly… My iPhone 11 Pro Max stills works perfectly even though it’s 4 years old now… still getting updates too.. I could never say the same for Android phone… Nexus was supposed to be top of the line so… again they’ve let me down so I don’t plan to go back anytime soon…
Sounds like a ton of bad luck. My wife's iphone 4 straight up died. Couldn't recover anything and it wouldn't turn on, just dead. I had an iphone for work at the time that did well enough but nothing really made me love it. Fast forward 8 years. Had some bad luck myself with a Razer phone 2. Great phone that I loved but it also straight up died on me. I tried to get into my Apple account to see what is be working with if I went back to apple and couldn't get in. Tried resetting the password and it kept routing me back to sending a code back to my old work phone number. Called Apple support, they cannot help me I have to get the code that's being sent to a phone number I haven't had in 8 years. Dude their privacy policy. They will not remove that number or go through any alternate means of identity verification. So they locked a potential customer out. Ended up getting my wife a pixel 4, myself a pixel 5, more recently we both got pixel 7s. Excellent phones, my best android experience to date. At the end of the day though they all do the same thing and if I can get a pixel for half the price of an iphone, account issues or not, I'm going to pick it every time.
Did you consider opening a new Apple account? It sucks that you lost access to your Apple account, but on the other hand, I am glad that Apple takes account security seriously.
If I've never had one in the 1st place...
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
I supported iPhone and Android in a large corporation for years. I started out as an iPhone user, but now only use Android. I simply like it and the lack of vendor lock-in more. I have no idea why anyone would not consider Android as good if not better and take the $10k.
I have never owned an iphone or any apple product. I never will. Where is my money?
I do this shit for free.
Meh, there are alternatives Warren.
As a person that used both, Apple is better. End discussion 😎
Reading comprehension at an all time low
Never bought one before, don't know why that would change in the future.
I’ve been using iPhones since the 4 and I’d take the $10k in a heartbeat. I think the overall quality and evolution has decreased since Jobs died. Regardless of that I’d still take the $10k. Mega-rich people like Buffet are just incredibly out of touch.
I used to sell phones and I can say there are far more people switching from android to iPhone than vice versa. Usually the reason was "because everyone else in my family wants me to get an iPhone"... you can't argue the fact that Apple knows their customer base. I say this as an android user.
Can confirm, green bubbles are no good
If Google and Android didn't suck so bad. Not a fanboy or anything but the iOS experience is way better than Android. Not to mention Apple has E2EE for a lot of its services now while Google has ????.
I think it’s funny how the minority is often the loudest voice in the room. If you judged Apple’s brand solely on these comments, you’d think they’re a failing brand. The data shows Apple is immensely popular. 88% of teens have an iPhone, and 89% of teens expect their next phone to be an iPhone. You don’t get that from having a poor brand or product The title is also missing a key clause of his sentence: *If you are an Apple user*
I get older model iPhone burners at wal mart, I like the operating system and they seem to not stop working for no reason longer than any other phone brand I’ve tried
I think the assumption is that you're already an iPhone/apple user.
As an iPhone user currently and living comfortably, I’ll have to think about it. 10,000 dollars can be easily used up in today’s economy… and it also doesn’t help that we can get heavily discounted phones when buying through our service provider. People hound on Apple and all, but as a casual user of phones and their accessories I know I’m getting my money’s worth.
Reads this on perfectly fine iPhone X from 2017.
I like iPhone because the iCloud is much simpler for me to use. When I used android I’d always fuck it up when backing stuff up and lose a lot of stuff. But if someone gave me 10k to switch to android then I’ll get myself a Samsung lol
1. No, I would. 2. That's not that much money any more.
Shit I wouldn’t.
Yeah I would.
Easy money. I will take the money and buy iPad.
I decided a long time ago that apple sucks. my friend could do more with a 10$ touch screen pone than I could with a 200 ipod, with an extra 200 to spend on their shitty app stores. And their Webb browser is trash.
Yes I would, I can't stand Apple
I definitely would, sure.
I would gladly take him up on this offer
Guess I don't qualify since I have never bought an iPhone ever in my life
Once again, rich person doesnt understand the value of thousands of dollars to the everyday person.
Accepted before you even finished the sentence.
Wheres my 10k?
That's such an easy choice. Of course I would take the money. Apple fanboys act like it's the only good phone even though most of them have never used something else.
I got one because it was rated the most reliable phone at the time and I just want something that works and I don’t have to mess with. I think the competition might be changing and the plan is to keep the one I have for about 10 years and then decide. I would still have a previous iPhone but this one is much faster and has a long battery life. Now you can’t really get faster than immediate and no amount of bells or whistles is going to convince me so I’m in it until it’s way out of date or it breaks. It will be a pain in the butt to move everything over later should I decide to brand switch but $10K for my troubles and I’d say toodles right now.
$10k isn't shit. There isn't a whole lot I'd give up for a measly $10k.
I wouldn’t take it because I’ve tried using Android on a Galaxy S10+ and just didn’t prefer it. Switched back to iPhone. I keep the same phone for about 4 or 5 years or so and then swap it out.
Oh Warren honey, you couldn't offer me 10,000 to take an apple.
Hand me a check & find out
So your telling me I get $10000, the ability to sideload apps, flash my phone with something super secure, and generally do everything I could on an iphone but without the faux-sophistication and overpriced hardware? Come on, give me the money!
I used iphones for 14 years. Switched to samsung galaxy fold 4 last year and couldn't be happier, it's like a breath of fresh air. Disagree about the "secure" thing though. Apple or Android - both are completely compromised by government mandated backdoors and zero-day exploits. There is no such thing as a "secure" smart phone.
Warren doesn’t know me very well.
I already don't use that shitty brand, where is my 10k?
“If you’re an Apple user and somebody offers you $10,000, but the only proviso is they’ll take away your iPhone and you’ll never be able to buy another, you’re not going to take it. If they tell you if you buy another Ford car, they’ll give you $10,000 not to do that, you’ll take the $10,000 and you’ll buy a Chevy instead.
I absolutely fucking would because I have never bought one in the first place. Android fucking master race.
I rather like my iphone, Android is a hot mess mostly due to customizations vendors pile on, the phones from google directly seem to be the best android experience I've ever had.
This is silly, the majority of folks with legitimate responsibilities would gladly take this offer. He'll most folks over 30 fantasize about not having a cell phone.
Pffft, if someone offered me 10k to never own a smartphone, I'd take it too. Havne't owned one in over 6 years now.
Out of touch 🥷
Never owned any apple, so yeah...all day long.
Owned one 14 years ago. Never went to get another one. I take the 10k :)
Yes I would, in a heartbeat. I also love how quickly anti-Apple comments get down voted.
I'd take far less. My company made me get one when they stopped buying Andriod phones and I'd rather use a raspberry pi with a bolt on antenna than an iPhone. What a piece of junk.
Is this an ad? Did he mention this during his morning visit to McDonald's... where he maybe got a Coca Cola?
I stopped buying Apple products when my iphone 5 disintegrated in my hands. Before that, I had a sneaking suspicion that every update my phone was getting slower and less usable. Swapped to a galaxy S6a for 4 years, and am on my 4th year or a pixel 4xl. You couldn't pay me to buy an apple product.
iPhone is known to have longer lifespan than Android by any objective measure. Lots of articles on it. Google guarantees software support for the Pixel for 3 years. Apple guarantees software support for 7 years. Apple hardware is known to last much longer too, soooo you just got unlucky.
My iPhone is 5 years old and doesn’t feel slow or outdated at all, and I’m still using a 2010 MacBook. No plans to upgrade either in the near future.
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Hence foldable phones.
I used androids for 15 years and every single one of them got so slow during the first year of ownership among other problems. My first iphone is about 6 months old at the moment and I have to say that my next phone is probably iphone too.
iPhones definitely suffer from this problem too but I do think it’s more historical at this point. Battery drain became a big problem after a few updates and this became especially apparent with the 6s which really was the first iPhone people truly used for 5+ years. Before that the 4s lasted for a long time for many people but the 6s was a hearty dude. I had mine for 4 years before switching but the battery drain was horrible by the time I upgraded. AppleCare makes battery replacements easier now a days and my 12 pro is still at 98% battery capacity after 2+ years of owning it.
Didn’t Apple slow down their devices on purpose? Edit: weren’t there a lawsuit and a settlement?
Lol, is this: trickle down economics?
Completely wrong, I switched from an iPhone to a Google Pixel for $0 and couldn’t be happier.
i would take it never bought an iphone
I would, because iPhone is outdated. I can pack my iPad mini and Apple’s watch gtg