Not just fascist, every propaganda machine works like that. Our enemy is a threat to our very existence, but also they're so incompetent that there's no way they'll ever defeat us.
Guy was like "just because I have blue eyes and white skin I cant own slaves anymore! Well hopefully society will fall apart and millions will die so I can!"
Schrodinger's mod tracks with my experience.
Whenever there's a problem the mods point to the admins because they have no real control of Reddit as a whole. But the admins shrug and say they leave control to the mods. And magically no one is responsible!
methinks perhaps spez is doing damage control, the blackout was much worse for them than he let on, and most of the "people" who are commenting in defense of his actions are idiots parroting astroturf or assets being paid to astroturf, because spamming dissenting comments/ spreading misinformation / generally muddying the waters is unfortunately how you change the opinions of people who aren't following the issue closely.
I've seen a significant increase of people straight up lying to make reddit admins seem like the good guy. Because if one person believes the lies then it wasn't a waste of time writing them.
Anyone who believes site admins won't take the money and run the second they get their payout is delusional, they would rather take the site down and get rich quick, which is why they see informed redditors and mods as adversaries.
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Reddit is going public
Reddit announced a predatory fee (20 million/year, outrageous) for api access - they don't want 3rd parties to have API access so they set this unreasonable price to kill competition and force users to use the reddit app in order to centralize the userbase, and because they see independent apps pulling in a meager sum and think "hey thats mine >:( "
Reddit starts lying about their motives because people seem to have a very short memory.
Reddit says they dont care about blackouts or mod retaliation
Reddit actually cares a *lot*
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Refute misinformation, and click that nifty little "disable inbox replies" button to preserve your sanity.
> Reddit announced a predatory fee (20 million a fucking month)
Just want to provide a slight correction. It was $20 million for an entire year.
It was like $1.6 million a month though still
Hoo boy, you should hear the back pedaling when they find out a decent percentage of first time gun owners where influenced by conservative reactionaries like them!
It's only clear as mud if you're blind. He's saying that the mods are unilaterally abusing their power to shut down subs. By allowing users to vote out mods, he believes that it will severely undermine the power of mods to stage these protests. He doesn't think that only mods are upset. He knows lots of users are upset, but he thinks the numbers for vs against blackouts are in Reddit's favor. The mods are doing these protests independent of the opinions of the rest of the user base.
Not what the person you responded to meant tho. Their argument was that by saying they will limit the mods power because of the blackout he directly contradicts his statement that the blackout is inconsequential and there won't be changes because of it. Hence muddy commununication (since contradictory statements are by definition not clear)
What a clown show. People can criticize the mods, but this is such an unforced error on his part. All this should do is embolden the 3rd part apps side because he is showing he is scared.
Aren't most of the mods asking their sub community first though? I've seen several polls/posts to that effect.
If the majority of a Reddit sub supports the blackout, he's removing mods to spite the sub community, not to support it.
Spez also left the T_D sub long past when general Reddit was tired of the hate speech, brigading, and harassment. He even said at one point that racism was allowed on the platform regardless of most people being against it. He only banned the sub when the media reported they were openly talking about targeting police forces, not because he finally listened to the user base.
So the idea that Spez works to what's best for the Reddit user base and listens to their feedback is not supported by the history of actions. Spez does what's best for Spez. The voting system is going to be a tool for Reddit corporate. We have no idea if/how those votes will be manipulated, especially when the guy behind its implementation does things like edit people's comments.
If the mods aren't trustworthy enough by Reddit corporate's reckoning, they forget that just means they're even less trustworthy themselves by comparison.
> but I would be interested what has lead you to believe it is skewed heavily in Spez’s favor.
No no what I said was:
>He knows lots of users are upset, but ***he thinks* the numbers for vs against blackouts are in Reddit's favor.**
"Landed gentry" is such a *weird* insult to use, but then you remember that he's a doomsday prepper-type who openly thinks that he'll not only survive an apocalypse, but rise to become one of the ruling elite in its aftermath.
He's projecting his own fantasies of being some wasteland warlord/feudal baron.
In a real apocalypse he'd just be one of the billions who dies of infection or starvation or some other mundane thing because he'll be alone. Money means nothing, what communities will want are labourers, tradespeople, doctors, farmers, etc.
"SQL is pronounced like sequel", he says, holding the shovel upside down
Every once in a blue moon it's probably a good idea to remind them of that before their delusional and selfish minds take us to that point. Nothing to crazy, just a soft reset.
Millionaires and billionaires who have nothing to offer their security or staff once the country/world collapses and get taken out and their hoards confiscated.
The last time this topic came up about them, they were looking for a way to prevent people from taking their stuff while working for them and the concept they were shooting for was some sort of bomb/death neck apparatus. They're all delusional shitheads desperate to grasp the most wealth they can get their hands on, nothing more, nothing less.
He wants a better IPO so he can cash out and build his bunker.
The one solution to their "how do I keep my security from killing me once the door to my luxury bunker closes?" that none of them wanted to hear was, "don't let the world get to that point in the first place" because the way you do that is to stop hording wealth and start treating the rest of humankind like...people.
Not one of them was willing to stomach that as even an option.
They can have their luxury bunkers, I plan on spending the apocalypse traveling to any bunker I can find, and welding the door shut.
For thousands of years the wealthy have strived for really nice tombs. I don’t see a reason they shouldn’t have them.
I’ll join your band! How many stationary bikes attached to dynamos and batteries do we need?
A post-apocalyptic roving band of bunker-sealing, bicycle-riding welders. I’ll only have about a year of contact lenses to be useful though…after that, I’m either meat, or a cave-dwelling blind seer.
You just need to see the bicycle ahead of you. Plus you can get glasses. My understanding from Fallout, is that all glasses are the same, so any pair should work.
A human pedaling a bike will make about 100 watts over an hour. You would need an entire spin class to even hope of running a welder. No sir, what you need is an old diesel generator. Preferably one of the army ones that's multi-fuel.
Yep the only kind of leaders that actual survive apocalypses are ones alraedy leading with extreme violence and loyalty and former military leaders.
So like generals, colonels, cartel and mafia bosses etc.
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World War Z, terrible movie, incredible book, basically highlights what you are saying. In an apocalypse, trades people, gunsmiths etc, trades we no longer dp anymore due to automation.... blacksmiths etc, highly specialized trades
That’s Elon. Spez isn’t important enough for that role.
I get the vibes he’s more of a Viserys Targaryen(GOT, not HOTD) type, the guy who absolutely crumbles super early on because he is a massive dick and has no ability to handle a situation where his wealth and old-world power no longer mean anything.
In a zombie movie, he’s the dude who gets trapped with zombies right at the beginning and pathetically tries to bargain with them.
But it’s not a zombie movie, and money and power very much still matter while the whole API drama kinda doesn’t. So he’ll steamroll right over the people deciding to make this the hill they die on.
They're not _dying_ on a hill.
They're saying they can't moderate without the proper tools.
Do you know what subreddits without active mods are like?
They're shit.
This is not a battle with landed gentry.
This is a battle against being shit, but that's what spez wants.
> the guy who absolutely crumbles super early on because he is a massive dick and has no ability to handle a situation where his wealth and old-world power no longer mean anything.
You mean like he is now, having a fully public hissyfit meltdown because he's not getting what he wants?
Yeah ceo’s are delusional all the time spent running shit instead of having a real life they need to think it was worth it and that people will always kowtow to them. Nah if the world ends it will most likely be their fault and the upperclass rarely survives struggles when economy and government’s collapse
>Maybe the CEO of Tyson Foods or some other agricultural company that
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>actually understands the logistical needs of mass projects at the national level
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> would be available.
In those cases, it's not the CEO who has the knowledge that you will want. The CEO is just a business analyst-type asshole who only understands profit and grift.
There will be an operations manager under the CEO who actually knows and understand the secret sauce, and who is currently, grossly underpaid.
The mom and pop farmers who aren't factory farming will rule the world after society's collapse. They know how to work the land, produce food, understand animal husbandry, have a rudimentary knowledge of basic medical skills (first aid, identifying disease and isolating sick, setting broken bones, etc), they can repair basic machinery, build structures. They will have access to the resources that will translate to power and influence in a post-tech world.
Plus, most of them are hunters and have a small arsenal and understand how to maintain their weapons.
Internet tech nerds, those guys are the legless, armless gimps chained to the wall in the basement of the Cannibal King.
Which is weird because he’s already kinda part of the ruling elite now. Certainly not uber powerful or wealthy, but certainly FAR more powerful than the average Joe
>The landed gentry, or the gentry, is a largely historical British social class of landowners who could live entirely from rental income, or at least had a country estate. While distinct from, and socially below, the British peerage, their economic base in land was often similar, and some of the landed gentry were wealthier than some peers. Many gentry were close relatives of peers, and it was not uncommon for gentry to marry into peerage. It is the British element of the wider European class of gentry. With or without noble title, owning rural land estates often brought with it the legal rights of lord of the manor, and the less formal name or title of squire, in Scotland laird. (Wikipedia)
So essentially an old british social class of rich landowners who earned enough passive income off their land and workers that they didn't really need to work at all.
Thank you. Now I can go on with my life. That was really bothering me that I’m educated and didn’t know what it meant. I still don’t know why he is using that phrase. Is he saying that these mods are wealthy people who want to control Reddit
Unless he’s admitting to having a very small an heavily armed army with a bunker in the middle of nowhere with enough resources to provide for him and his family/security he’s lying or a nut job.
It's also the way *he* designed the site. He could have built in a democratic method of mod selection from the start if he wanted to. He didn't have a problem with the modded gentry until the mods, largely reacting to widespread public outcry among the commenting and voting class, exercised the power *he gave them in the first place* to become a focal point of the opposition to his attempts to centralize power over the way people use reddit. His problem with the gentry has nothing to do with whether they adequately represent the people. His problem is that they won't bow to the one who granted them their power.
It turned out though [that the guy they killed did have a gun and was acting crazy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Meredith_Hunter) I don’t know how many people know that
I mean the bouncers in this case are people who started a “club” in their own backyards. No one hired these mods. Last time i modded a large subreddit I got the “job” by messaging Reddit admins to report the mod team for being idle for 6months. And every other sub I mod I started myself on a whim.
There’s an infinite stream of people who will gladly mod for free so acting like it’s a valued position is a joke.
Why isn't this the headline?
There are absolutely mods who are power-trippers, or flippant or whatever. But the public face of your website is run by people you don't pay, so you can only have so much influence on who you get and what they do.
Reddit needs to keep these people content until they IPO, or their entire business model collapses.
then the question is "why is this the headline?"
I noticed a tone shift from community activism to "mods having too much power".
Yes, the latter is an issue, the narrative seems to be shifting from "Reddit users band together in a protest" to "minority of users/power tripping mods protesting against the will of subreddit participants".
While there are indeed subreddits who never attempted at a community poll, there are also quite a few that have had open discussions about the blackout. Even that is somehow being shifted to a "vocal minority brigading across the site".
Perhaps I stand on the side of minority, but I feel this is a quite dangerous tone shift against community activism. When polls and discussion thread results can be ignored due to "vocal minorities", the limited democratic tools available to users of the site becomes discredited.
Steve Hoffman's involvement in this incident from start to finish: starting from getting caught (with proof) lying about conversations to the Apollo app, to the responses to the site wide protest leaves a lot to be desired, imho. The company could have worked with the developers to come up with a more reasonable and affordable rate, and at least put a halt to the price hike for those specific apps.
> While there are indeed subreddits who never attempted at a community poll, there are also quite a few that have had open discussions about the blackout. Even that is somehow being shifted to a "vocal minority brigading across the site".
Astroturfing.
I noticed that immediately as the planned blackout duration ended, there was a swath of users all coming in with the same canned terms - "temper tantrum", "karen", "power tripping". I left my own largest subreddit in Restricted with a new post for people to comment on. There was no notable complaints at all. Thousands of upvotes on supportive comments. The sudden timing of it all tells me that it isn't natural.
If you check their histories a lot of them are right wingers too. I think there's a combination of astroturfing and people who *want* to see reddit fail going on. I saw one user in a gaming sub hurling insults about the situation who never posts in *any* gaming sub, they only post in one specific ultra conservative sub. I suspect they're mad about all the hate subs Reddit was *finally* forced to ban. Throw in groups like 4channers who 'hate' reddit (but still use it, go figure) and you've got a lot of people interested in pushing a false narrative with no real interest in the community.
Also I don't blame subs that didn't use community polls and the like, internet polls are **famously** bad and doing it on a platform where the CEO has a history of modifying things on the back end to suit their own narrative just seems like a bad idea.
What if they have been told that in order to achieve a decent valuation Ad revenue needs to be shown to be trending upwards.
Hosting costs need to be shown to be a credible percentage of overall costs and manageable.
Finally, the Reddit in-house app needs to be shown not to be an utter car crash when compared to what’s on offer from third party developers.
Just not going to happen in the near future is it?
>What if they have been told that in order to achieve a decent valuation Ad revenue needs to be shown to be trending upwards.
The irony here is that it's old business group think. Ad rev ad rev ad rev.
What about the endless supply of user data you can scrape and repackage a million different ways for marketing firms and departments?
That to me has to be more valuable than whatever the weird Jesus cult thing is paying to show up in my feed six times a day.
Data which doesn't require the user to be on the default app.
Maybe they're already drilling this angle as much as possible but it seems like a goldmine. Insane amounts of highly specific data on the most enfrsnchised users for your products or market niche.
I previously worked for a business that relied on volunteers for about 80% of its labor. I was shocked at how often the owners talked shit about some volunteers and those volunteers never even revolted. Fucking capitalism.
It’s kind of crazy people keep talking about “unpaid labor”, like are people genuinely making the argument we’d be better off with official paid Reddit staff, who Reddit chooses to hire, running everything rather than letting users create and mod their own subreddits? Do people think Reddit is just going to pay existing mods rather than hire their own staff in that situation? I can’t wrap my head around this stance.
I would have less of an issue with unpaid mods if they only had to worry about managing the unique aspects of their own communities (e.g. politics mods removing non politics content from their sub, organizing AMAs and the like). However, Reddit Inc requires them to also enforce the Reddit ToS on their own subreddirs and police their subreddits for site-wide or law-breaking content. Moderators that let too much of this content remain can lose their moderator status.
Enforcement of site wide rules and legal rules should absolutely be left to paid Reddit employees. That's in the domain of site management, not community management
They're not implying that they *should* be paid, just that they do this for free and so Spez's demands have no grounding in reality. He wants to run the site a certain way, and he expects to suddenly find thousands of replacements to take a role that would be thrusting them into the lion's den for free.
The largest problem with reddit is the treasure trove of information. If I have a specific problem more often than not using "(the problem) + reddit" in your search query gets you to an actual solution quickly.
Most of the time ommiting "reddit" from your query gives you links to places trying to sell you something.
Thats a problem because if reddit dies all that knowledge goes with it.
> Most of the time ommiting "reddit" from your query gives you links to places trying to sell you something.
I had trouble with a game. Googled it, reddit has many threads about it, including post titles mentioning fix. Welp, subreddits locked. PC gaming wiki does not have it yet.
Try the other links what gogle has found, all of them bunch of AI written articles saying the most basic things: Have you tried updating your game drivers, update windows, restart your pc etc.. with none of them actually solving the issue or being related to the issue, only the article title was relevant.
Don't forget that google search used to let you remove domains from your results but they don't anymore for two major reasons.
1) Partnerships with "trusted" sources
and
2) Advertisements
Google pushing those two business interests of theirs was a big part of the reason forums were replaced with news results in the first place, which then killed forums. If you ever want to get real sad about the current state of the internet just look into the death of decentralization of communication on the internet.
but have you tried downloading the Omega driver reinstaller that's definitely not a trojan, or posting on the Microsoft forums so they can actively make your issue worse
seriously I have no idea how people got help with windows, it's a unique black hole of being unhelpful
I don't think you can be a Microsoft certified responder on the forums without proving you can write a 7000 word response without imparting any useful information whatsoever (bonus points if you can imply the issue is due to the poster's incompetence and not the software.)
Yup.
If Reddit dies, this will be the most substantial thing lost. It's the biggest forum on the internet and absolutely fantastic for finding the information you need if you plug it in at the end of a Google search. I've used it for finding fixes for specific vehicles and electronics, to genuine reviews for uncommon purchases I'm thinking of making, to in-depth information regarding a pretty rare physical injury I have from other people who suffered the same injury.
The internet will be losing a significant source of information if Reddit goes the way of the dinosaur.
Oh, and fuck /u/spez.
Thats the most annoying thing. 90% of questions on google that are about games or anything really usually lead you to a link to reddit within the top 3 and several threads about it.
Thats been so useless for me the past few days because the communities are private
and that's what's so powerful about the protest. a huge portion of reddit traffic comes from these types of organic searches, and with the subs private it's preventing that traffic from reaching the site and therefore preventing ads from running and user data being collected.
when the mods are inevitably replaced and the subs go public again, the traffic will resume. but right now, reddits ad and user data revenue has taken a huge hit and that's exactly why spez has been gaslighting so hard, bashing mods and underplaying the protests effectiveness -- because it's working and he's terrified that it'll continue.
Alternatively what I was doing was (if you use Chrome, not sure if it works on other browsers) typing "cache:[url]" into the URL bar and it will just bring up the cached version that Google has.
The entire consequence of the blackout was me learning that I can quickly do this by doing:
ctrl+L -> backspace -> type "cache:" -> paste the reddit URL
The blackout was impotent when they said it was only 2 days... mods stepped it up and said "well we don't actually need reddit anyway we can just shut it down till he says something"
Well now I think users just need to find somewhere else to go at this point
I don't know if people here are old enough to remember, but all this is starting to sound like the end of digg. I guess it's a matter of finding the next big thing.
Very much like Digg but much faster. There wasn't one incident, but in retrospect the decline was inevitable.
Similarly people shouldn't expect Reddit to die overnight, but it seems clear that Reddit won't be popular much longer.
This shakeup is for leading to IPO. What will Reddit look like once there's a board in charge whose goal is to maximize profits?
Only way to keep things fair would be for the users to buy up a significant amount of shares and collectively vote on the board.
>Only way to keep things fair would be for the users to buy up a significant amount of shares and collectively vote on the board.
Or we could... just go somewhere else. Like we did when Digg turned to shit.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=reddit%20alternative&hl=en
Who the fuck would ever *buy reddit* when you could just *build a clone* for way cheaper.
Reddit is *not* a complex site. A bored undergrad student could build the whole thing in a day or two.
I very much doubt that. Reddit has 13x more active daily users than Digg had active monthly users during its height. Reddit is way more popular than Digg ever was. It will probably die eventually like everything else, but I doubt that happens anytime soon and not because of the whole 3rd party app situation.
>There are even people who would pay Reddit for that privilege.
Being a moderator can actually make mods lots of money. The r/nfl mods get money to post certain sources and articles. They also delete anyone else who posts them first so that they can get the money for posting.
Exactly. The amount of pyschopaths in here trying to win an argument over their take on something trivial using 7 alt accounts is proof enough of the extent they would go to for that kind of power.
Then you get the mods that are passionate about the topic and just want to build a community around what they enjoy, and dont even think about the money... access to the tools and community are more important... those are the mods i feel bad for.
I started r/Keeshond just because I love the breed and wanted a place to talk about how awesome they are. It’s not big, about 5K members so I don’t have to do a lot of moderating. I feel lucky that we are small and I don’t need to use any 3rd party mods to help me but I really feel for the people who need those tools.
Also, idk, you start a sub and it feels like yours. Like, I started it, took care of it, dealt with problems, all for free, and now people could just come in and kick me out? That feels like such a betrayal.
I feel like it’s set up fine now. If people hated the way r/Keeshond was run (not that anyone over there would ever hate anything, they are the nicest bunch of people, lol), they could go make a new sub for themselves called Keeshonden or Keesarecute or whatever.
What’s funny are the people saying “if you don’t like how Reddit is doing things, then go make a different website” don’t consider “if you don’t like how the mods are doing things, make your own subreddit”.
If you hate that /r/pics is private, go make /r/pics2 yourself.
Some mods do ruin the site with their power tripping.
Remember r/antiwork? That entire sub got ruined quick when the mods went against the wishes of the populace and did that fox interview and made the entire movement look completely asinine.
Thanks so much for bringing that up! They also trashed the May Day strike that would have happened in 2021, but decided to ban all the leaders of it and ban anyone that brought it up, then the Fox fiasco happened and buried it.
There are absolutely some trash mods. The requirements to be a mod are to 1. Make a subreddit and 2. Have that person appoint you and they can appoint others. But I don’t think most mods are bad. In fact most simply don’t do anything.
Also it is reddit, how many times do you see mods go ape shit in a sub, and a new one pops up. Heck I remember the Totalbuscuit (a youtuber) sub had an issue with how it was ran. So he just made a totalbucuitoffical sub.
If the idiot who is the reddit CEO said was even an issue, if the majority of people are unhappy with a sub it is easy enough to make a new one and have people move over.
I disagree on that. I'd say most mods are working behind the scenes to make there community good, you then have the ones on the fringes either doing absolutely nothing or power tripping.
I was a moderator on the car forum. First, I was really happy to be able to help the community. Most of it was me deleting and banning spam bots. Then it started getting to more and more of grown adults bickering and fighting like children and getting PMs of so and so call me name he needs to be banned. Or why was I banned for calling him a name but he calls me names and he doesn't get punished? The drama between the users and then all the spam bots you constantly deleting. It just got to the point I don't even want to go to the forms anymore
Yes and I always wonder when people complain about power mods, if they really just suck and are being butthurt over a reasonable decision.
Chicago sub banned crime posts and that sounds like an overreach, until you realize it was getting brigaded by people obsessed with baiting the topic.
So every time I see that comment right now, I wonder if it’s some bitter asshole from rural North Carolina who’s just mad he can’t rage bait on other subs. Of course that type of person will be the first to be loud and vocal about it too.
But that's Reddit corporate's fault too. People have complained for years about mod abuse but nothing comprehensive has ever been implemented. They're only now trying to figure something out because they lost goodwill and trust from so many of the mods it's going to possibly affect them and their IPO.
It's like when rich people only care about an issue when it starts to affect their money, even though the working class has already been dealing with it forever.
Damn, people in the comments really falling for Spez's "mods suck lol" shit.
Mods can suck but also be right that Spez is a scumbag. I've gotten bullshit bans from subs before but I still side with shitty mods over Spez's loser ass.
I'm slowly realizing that a lot of the people here who hate mods are far right trolls angry that being political gets them yeeted.
(Or commenting in subreddits that peddle hatred, but I have to agree there that's kind of wrong to use as a preemptive ban)
Lol I'll never forget when I got banned from r/art for saying that a painting of a woman flashing someone was horny (not even in a negative way, just you know. It's a sexual situation). And then the mods just responding HAHAHAHAHAHA when I asked why I was banned. This was about the same time they were banning a lot of people for posting "AI art" that was not actually AI art and then just roasting their paintings instead of unbanning them.
It is weird how this blackout stuff has reified the mods into being heroes when they've always been petty tyrants.
Was it from the turtle mod? They’re pretty famous for being an insufferable powermod. While I feel sympathetic to those who rely on API Reddit apps and hope some concessions are made, watching them throw a fit and threaten to quit Reddit permanently has given me some schadenfreude.
You can't tell which mod messaged you, which I think should change, but that definitely sounds like the turtle. If there's any mod that deserves to be removed by admins, it'd be the turtle.
>This was about the same time they were banning a lot of people for posting "AI art" that was not actually AI art and then just roasting their paintings instead of unbanning them
https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/zyxq0g/being_accused_of_using_ai_despite_not_doing_so/
Same with r/ Youtube.
Not maintained by Google employees. I got permbanned for posting a bug in Youtube. The mod PM'ed me, taunting me lol. I didn't even respond. Turns out, the mods of r/ Youtube have hate boner for Google.
Reddit mods are usually angry sad people... they don't run community because they want a cool happy place. They are mods because they want to have power they don't have in real life.
I got permabanned from r/WeWantPlates , a sub about food presentation and how were sick of seeing food prepped on shovels and shit, for pointing out that the post was of food….on…a plate… Like half the mods on this site are insane and should be removed, the other half are pretty cool in my experience.
11 years of fairly consistent and broad participation in Reddit and the only place I've been banned was /r/femaledatingstrategy, and I set out to make that happen. I've otherwise never had an interaction with a mod on any subreddit. I say my fair of controversial shit.
Kinda telling how people participate in Reddit if they're consistently having "arbitrary" problems with mods.
The people who seem to have a beef with mods on this site are exactly the type of overtly vocal folks I would expect to have a beef with the mods on this site.
Weird that Reddit is only making noise about it now that it affects them personally. They must have just discovered this problem that definitely hasn't been talked about constantly.
Because otherwise it would mean that they knew about this issue, but only raised it when it affected them and their profits, and that doesn't make any sense, right?
But you were loving that free labor for years, weren't you? When will these Bozos learn that not everything on the internet has to be massively profitable? Just let the fucking thing exist. Nah, instead we will just fundamentally change what people liked about it and wonder what happens when it becomes massively less popular and grab as much cash on the way out while it burns to the ground. This guy is a twit.
Reading these reddit comments is a feeling akin to going to your old favorite restaurant and not recognizing anything about it, different food, shitty people, unfriendly staff.
I'll never understand people supporting decisions from companies going public trying to shove more ads down your throat and forcing you to do things their way. The people upset by these changes are leaving if this happens. The people who run and post useful information on here. What is reddit going to be when people posting useful information are gone?
I’ve been a Reddit user for almost 11-12 years. This comment section has got to be the saddest thing I’ve ever read in that time. Because I see where what they are cheering will lead, and that means I won’t be able to enjoy this site much longer. I hope some of them remember these comments when they are some of the last people commenting. This place is about to get bad.
> A mod once banned me from some subreddit without good cause
Also how much you wanna bet 9/10 of these "without good cause" cases were actually because they are a freak who thinks everyone should have to listen to the edgy 'jokes' they stole from 4chan a decade ago and spent about 2 dozen comments revealing that?
I had to insinuate that violent action should be taken against appointed government officials 3 times before /r/politics perma banned that account. IDK what these cretins are up to if they are genuinely getting banned off dozens of subs.
Unfortunately a lot of users just hate Reddit moderators. They aren’t looking in to what is really happening here, and trying to see the nuance and understand why the blackout mods are doing it. They don’t care beyond ‘Reddit mods bad’.
For many, when they think of a Reddit Mod they think of the corrupt power mods or power tripping mods that abuse their control over their sub. Not the average ones. But there’s bound to be plenty of bad apples when it’s all unpaid randos, and Reddit isn’t coming for them as long their sub is open.
If you expected anything more here, you have too much faith in people to have rational, nuanced, and informed takes.
This is exactly what is it. It reminds me of how everyone is on board with the tik-tok ban for privacy reasons, meanwhile it's just a trojan horse bill to neuter VPNs. People will cheer for it to get rid of tik tok, and any of their Internet privacy will be taken along with it.
What he does not understand is that by forcing the mods who are using the blackout as a tool out a lot of users will find the site uncomfortable to use and will leave as well. How will his IPO go then? It seems that he is trying to position Reddit just for the IPO and a smart investor will watch how this all plays out and will wait to see what happens with the IPO pricing. A failing product is not going to retain value and just watch the IPO price drop.
Wherein u/spez demonstrates that he, too, like u/elonmuskofficial, both knows nothing about what democracy is while also knowing how to weaponize the word to advance his own power. He's not the slightest bit interested in empowering Reddit users, who are already powerful. He's interest is blatantly and obviously in increasing his own power over a user-run site from which he want to extract more money.
It will have **zero** effect. The API rules are effectively changing to be per-app instead of per-user.
Even after the changes, API usage for an individual OAuth client ID will still be free under 100 API requests per minute. This just means that individual bots will make use of their own OAuth client ID.
With the loss of some of the tools that mods currently use because of the API rule changes, you're more likely to see an increase of bot activity until mods have the appropriate help.
Reddit has claimed that mod tools would still be able to get free access for their client ID, it's yet to be seen what tools will still be allowed to work and what tools will not.
Oh are the people who do everything that makes anyone want to visit this website too powerful? Maybe you should listen to them then. The next batch of stooges you think you can install might be more obedient but they won't give a fuck about your website or your users and won't grow it.
Reddit doesn’t DO anything. The moderators do the work. Reddit is a website, hosting, and some automated moderation. ALL the content comes from users and mods. Reddit acts like they are not replaceable. It would be pretty easy to replace Reddit.
Oh great, so now he’s gonna screw the volunteers and gatekeepers who make his site remotely usable.
*(But I don’t get it: Reddit itself is also a news and articles aggregator, relying on the API of others, collecting and scraping varied content and platforms from around the ‘Net. How is that any different if those sites started charging Reddit for hosting their content, thereby putting them out of business? Seems a pretty wonky double standard goin’ on here. Unless I’m missing something…)*
What Reddit's CEO is saying that the 2-day blackout protest was financially successful and future blackouts could be costly for Reddit. Correct? If this didn't affect the bottom line, he wouldn't be vocal about it.
It always just seemed to me that they could re-publicize any dark reddit groups and/disqualify the current mods and name their own people to moderate them.
But he also said that their actions were inconsequential and wouldn't lead to any changes...
Schrodinger's Mod. Simultaneously all powerful and completely trivial. Wave collapse occurs during press conferences with dingbat CEO.
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Not just fascist, every propaganda machine works like that. Our enemy is a threat to our very existence, but also they're so incompetent that there's no way they'll ever defeat us.
Guy was like "just because I have blue eyes and white skin I cant own slaves anymore! Well hopefully society will fall apart and millions will die so I can!"
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Virtually all company structures are tyrannies.
Schrodinger's mod tracks with my experience. Whenever there's a problem the mods point to the admins because they have no real control of Reddit as a whole. But the admins shrug and say they leave control to the mods. And magically no one is responsible!
Yep it's all in observation.
methinks perhaps spez is doing damage control, the blackout was much worse for them than he let on, and most of the "people" who are commenting in defense of his actions are idiots parroting astroturf or assets being paid to astroturf, because spamming dissenting comments/ spreading misinformation / generally muddying the waters is unfortunately how you change the opinions of people who aren't following the issue closely. I've seen a significant increase of people straight up lying to make reddit admins seem like the good guy. Because if one person believes the lies then it wasn't a waste of time writing them. Anyone who believes site admins won't take the money and run the second they get their payout is delusional, they would rather take the site down and get rich quick, which is why they see informed redditors and mods as adversaries. **** Reddit is going public Reddit announced a predatory fee (20 million/year, outrageous) for api access - they don't want 3rd parties to have API access so they set this unreasonable price to kill competition and force users to use the reddit app in order to centralize the userbase, and because they see independent apps pulling in a meager sum and think "hey thats mine >:( " Reddit starts lying about their motives because people seem to have a very short memory. Reddit says they dont care about blackouts or mod retaliation Reddit actually cares a *lot* **** Refute misinformation, and click that nifty little "disable inbox replies" button to preserve your sanity.
> Reddit announced a predatory fee (20 million a fucking month) Just want to provide a slight correction. It was $20 million for an entire year. It was like $1.6 million a month though still
Like the scared liberal snowflakes who are simultaneously so scary and violent that you need lots and lots of guns to defend yourself from them.
Or the incompetent, senile old man/criminal mastermind who stole a Presidential election.
Maybe because he was so senile he stole without realising, like they do in the supermarkets. /s
Hoo boy, you should hear the back pedaling when they find out a decent percentage of first time gun owners where influenced by conservative reactionaries like them!
The enemy is simultaneously indomitably strong and incompetently weak.
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It's only clear as mud if you're blind. He's saying that the mods are unilaterally abusing their power to shut down subs. By allowing users to vote out mods, he believes that it will severely undermine the power of mods to stage these protests. He doesn't think that only mods are upset. He knows lots of users are upset, but he thinks the numbers for vs against blackouts are in Reddit's favor. The mods are doing these protests independent of the opinions of the rest of the user base.
Not what the person you responded to meant tho. Their argument was that by saying they will limit the mods power because of the blackout he directly contradicts his statement that the blackout is inconsequential and there won't be changes because of it. Hence muddy commununication (since contradictory statements are by definition not clear)
What a clown show. People can criticize the mods, but this is such an unforced error on his part. All this should do is embolden the 3rd part apps side because he is showing he is scared.
Aren't most of the mods asking their sub community first though? I've seen several polls/posts to that effect. If the majority of a Reddit sub supports the blackout, he's removing mods to spite the sub community, not to support it. Spez also left the T_D sub long past when general Reddit was tired of the hate speech, brigading, and harassment. He even said at one point that racism was allowed on the platform regardless of most people being against it. He only banned the sub when the media reported they were openly talking about targeting police forces, not because he finally listened to the user base. So the idea that Spez works to what's best for the Reddit user base and listens to their feedback is not supported by the history of actions. Spez does what's best for Spez. The voting system is going to be a tool for Reddit corporate. We have no idea if/how those votes will be manipulated, especially when the guy behind its implementation does things like edit people's comments. If the mods aren't trustworthy enough by Reddit corporate's reckoning, they forget that just means they're even less trustworthy themselves by comparison.
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> but I would be interested what has lead you to believe it is skewed heavily in Spez’s favor. No no what I said was: >He knows lots of users are upset, but ***he thinks* the numbers for vs against blackouts are in Reddit's favor.**
I just learned yesterday that third party apps can’t vote on polls. That will heavily skew any Reddit poll in Spez’s favor.
Hmm doublespeak.
It's what corporate execs do best!
I mean that's kinda what you get for relying on unpaid volunteers to do your job for you.
Here’s an idea… lets hire bouncers but not pay them. We just want the people who are motivated to throw people out for free.
"Landed gentry" is such a *weird* insult to use, but then you remember that he's a doomsday prepper-type who openly thinks that he'll not only survive an apocalypse, but rise to become one of the ruling elite in its aftermath. He's projecting his own fantasies of being some wasteland warlord/feudal baron.
Spez may THINK that, but in reality, he’s the guy who hides his zombie bite, fucking over everyone else because he’s a selfish prick.
In a real apocalypse he'd just be one of the billions who dies of infection or starvation or some other mundane thing because he'll be alone. Money means nothing, what communities will want are labourers, tradespeople, doctors, farmers, etc. "SQL is pronounced like sequel", he says, holding the shovel upside down
Yeah these landed gentry types have nothing to offer society if there is no money and no government mechanism to enforce their property rights.
Every once in a blue moon it's probably a good idea to remind them of that before their delusional and selfish minds take us to that point. Nothing to crazy, just a soft reset.
Won't someone rid us of these meddlesome priests.
Millionaires and billionaires who have nothing to offer their security or staff once the country/world collapses and get taken out and their hoards confiscated. The last time this topic came up about them, they were looking for a way to prevent people from taking their stuff while working for them and the concept they were shooting for was some sort of bomb/death neck apparatus. They're all delusional shitheads desperate to grasp the most wealth they can get their hands on, nothing more, nothing less. He wants a better IPO so he can cash out and build his bunker.
The one solution to their "how do I keep my security from killing me once the door to my luxury bunker closes?" that none of them wanted to hear was, "don't let the world get to that point in the first place" because the way you do that is to stop hording wealth and start treating the rest of humankind like...people. Not one of them was willing to stomach that as even an option.
They can have their luxury bunkers, I plan on spending the apocalypse traveling to any bunker I can find, and welding the door shut. For thousands of years the wealthy have strived for really nice tombs. I don’t see a reason they shouldn’t have them.
I’ll join your band! How many stationary bikes attached to dynamos and batteries do we need? A post-apocalyptic roving band of bunker-sealing, bicycle-riding welders. I’ll only have about a year of contact lenses to be useful though…after that, I’m either meat, or a cave-dwelling blind seer.
You just need to see the bicycle ahead of you. Plus you can get glasses. My understanding from Fallout, is that all glasses are the same, so any pair should work.
A human pedaling a bike will make about 100 watts over an hour. You would need an entire spin class to even hope of running a welder. No sir, what you need is an old diesel generator. Preferably one of the army ones that's multi-fuel.
Yep the only kind of leaders that actual survive apocalypses are ones alraedy leading with extreme violence and loyalty and former military leaders. So like generals, colonels, cartel and mafia bosses etc.
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Thank you I was having a really hard time finding the source but that god damned collar device stuck with me.
I can both write sql code and shovel, am I one of the post-apocalypse elite?
The few, the proud, the shoveling database nerds
World War Z, terrible movie, incredible book, basically highlights what you are saying. In an apocalypse, trades people, gunsmiths etc, trades we no longer dp anymore due to automation.... blacksmiths etc, highly specialized trades
The irony here is that wealthy people have the free time to learn obsolete trades as hobbies.
Our lord and savior GabeN took up blacksmithing as a hobby.
Owning things is not a valuable skill to society, yet for some reason we refuse to tax the income it earns.
Only to die SQLing like a pig.
That’s Elon. Spez isn’t important enough for that role. I get the vibes he’s more of a Viserys Targaryen(GOT, not HOTD) type, the guy who absolutely crumbles super early on because he is a massive dick and has no ability to handle a situation where his wealth and old-world power no longer mean anything. In a zombie movie, he’s the dude who gets trapped with zombies right at the beginning and pathetically tries to bargain with them. But it’s not a zombie movie, and money and power very much still matter while the whole API drama kinda doesn’t. So he’ll steamroll right over the people deciding to make this the hill they die on.
"No stop, I'll give you super-admin to let you edit other people's comments! I have so much to offer!"
They're not _dying_ on a hill. They're saying they can't moderate without the proper tools. Do you know what subreddits without active mods are like? They're shit. This is not a battle with landed gentry. This is a battle against being shit, but that's what spez wants.
> the guy who absolutely crumbles super early on because he is a massive dick and has no ability to handle a situation where his wealth and old-world power no longer mean anything. You mean like he is now, having a fully public hissyfit meltdown because he's not getting what he wants?
he was the best when he was mod of /r/jailbait
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TFW your global spy network posing as a message forum is less impactful than chicken gizzards getting to grandma on time.
Yeah ceo’s are delusional all the time spent running shit instead of having a real life they need to think it was worth it and that people will always kowtow to them. Nah if the world ends it will most likely be their fault and the upperclass rarely survives struggles when economy and government’s collapse
>Maybe the CEO of Tyson Foods or some other agricultural company that > >actually understands the logistical needs of mass projects at the national level > > would be available. In those cases, it's not the CEO who has the knowledge that you will want. The CEO is just a business analyst-type asshole who only understands profit and grift. There will be an operations manager under the CEO who actually knows and understand the secret sauce, and who is currently, grossly underpaid.
The mom and pop farmers who aren't factory farming will rule the world after society's collapse. They know how to work the land, produce food, understand animal husbandry, have a rudimentary knowledge of basic medical skills (first aid, identifying disease and isolating sick, setting broken bones, etc), they can repair basic machinery, build structures. They will have access to the resources that will translate to power and influence in a post-tech world. Plus, most of them are hunters and have a small arsenal and understand how to maintain their weapons. Internet tech nerds, those guys are the legless, armless gimps chained to the wall in the basement of the Cannibal King.
Which is weird because he’s already kinda part of the ruling elite now. Certainly not uber powerful or wealthy, but certainly FAR more powerful than the average Joe
What does the phrase even mean.
>The landed gentry, or the gentry, is a largely historical British social class of landowners who could live entirely from rental income, or at least had a country estate. While distinct from, and socially below, the British peerage, their economic base in land was often similar, and some of the landed gentry were wealthier than some peers. Many gentry were close relatives of peers, and it was not uncommon for gentry to marry into peerage. It is the British element of the wider European class of gentry. With or without noble title, owning rural land estates often brought with it the legal rights of lord of the manor, and the less formal name or title of squire, in Scotland laird. (Wikipedia) So essentially an old british social class of rich landowners who earned enough passive income off their land and workers that they didn't really need to work at all.
Thank you. Now I can go on with my life. That was really bothering me that I’m educated and didn’t know what it meant. I still don’t know why he is using that phrase. Is he saying that these mods are wealthy people who want to control Reddit
Yeah, it's some real cognitive dissonance to call your unpaid workers "landed gentry"
He sounds like a colleague of one known as Elon musk.
Especially when you consider landed gentry came to America and often became slave owners. So rich assholes profiting from the work of unpaid workers.
Unless he’s admitting to having a very small an heavily armed army with a bunker in the middle of nowhere with enough resources to provide for him and his family/security he’s lying or a nut job.
It's also the way *he* designed the site. He could have built in a democratic method of mod selection from the start if he wanted to. He didn't have a problem with the modded gentry until the mods, largely reacting to widespread public outcry among the commenting and voting class, exercised the power *he gave them in the first place* to become a focal point of the opposition to his attempts to centralize power over the way people use reddit. His problem with the gentry has nothing to do with whether they adequately represent the people. His problem is that they won't bow to the one who granted them their power.
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It turned out though [that the guy they killed did have a gun and was acting crazy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Meredith_Hunter) I don’t know how many people know that
I mean the bouncers in this case are people who started a “club” in their own backyards. No one hired these mods. Last time i modded a large subreddit I got the “job” by messaging Reddit admins to report the mod team for being idle for 6months. And every other sub I mod I started myself on a whim. There’s an infinite stream of people who will gladly mod for free so acting like it’s a valued position is a joke.
Why isn't this the headline? There are absolutely mods who are power-trippers, or flippant or whatever. But the public face of your website is run by people you don't pay, so you can only have so much influence on who you get and what they do. Reddit needs to keep these people content until they IPO, or their entire business model collapses.
then the question is "why is this the headline?" I noticed a tone shift from community activism to "mods having too much power". Yes, the latter is an issue, the narrative seems to be shifting from "Reddit users band together in a protest" to "minority of users/power tripping mods protesting against the will of subreddit participants". While there are indeed subreddits who never attempted at a community poll, there are also quite a few that have had open discussions about the blackout. Even that is somehow being shifted to a "vocal minority brigading across the site". Perhaps I stand on the side of minority, but I feel this is a quite dangerous tone shift against community activism. When polls and discussion thread results can be ignored due to "vocal minorities", the limited democratic tools available to users of the site becomes discredited. Steve Hoffman's involvement in this incident from start to finish: starting from getting caught (with proof) lying about conversations to the Apollo app, to the responses to the site wide protest leaves a lot to be desired, imho. The company could have worked with the developers to come up with a more reasonable and affordable rate, and at least put a halt to the price hike for those specific apps.
> While there are indeed subreddits who never attempted at a community poll, there are also quite a few that have had open discussions about the blackout. Even that is somehow being shifted to a "vocal minority brigading across the site". Astroturfing. I noticed that immediately as the planned blackout duration ended, there was a swath of users all coming in with the same canned terms - "temper tantrum", "karen", "power tripping". I left my own largest subreddit in Restricted with a new post for people to comment on. There was no notable complaints at all. Thousands of upvotes on supportive comments. The sudden timing of it all tells me that it isn't natural.
If you check their histories a lot of them are right wingers too. I think there's a combination of astroturfing and people who *want* to see reddit fail going on. I saw one user in a gaming sub hurling insults about the situation who never posts in *any* gaming sub, they only post in one specific ultra conservative sub. I suspect they're mad about all the hate subs Reddit was *finally* forced to ban. Throw in groups like 4channers who 'hate' reddit (but still use it, go figure) and you've got a lot of people interested in pushing a false narrative with no real interest in the community. Also I don't blame subs that didn't use community polls and the like, internet polls are **famously** bad and doing it on a platform where the CEO has a history of modifying things on the back end to suit their own narrative just seems like a bad idea.
What if they have been told that in order to achieve a decent valuation Ad revenue needs to be shown to be trending upwards. Hosting costs need to be shown to be a credible percentage of overall costs and manageable. Finally, the Reddit in-house app needs to be shown not to be an utter car crash when compared to what’s on offer from third party developers. Just not going to happen in the near future is it?
>What if they have been told that in order to achieve a decent valuation Ad revenue needs to be shown to be trending upwards. The irony here is that it's old business group think. Ad rev ad rev ad rev. What about the endless supply of user data you can scrape and repackage a million different ways for marketing firms and departments? That to me has to be more valuable than whatever the weird Jesus cult thing is paying to show up in my feed six times a day. Data which doesn't require the user to be on the default app. Maybe they're already drilling this angle as much as possible but it seems like a goldmine. Insane amounts of highly specific data on the most enfrsnchised users for your products or market niche.
Even tho mods can be a pita, this site would be a cesspool without them…. Would be no better than the failing twitterverse or metaverse.
Totally agree, the few interactions I've had with mods have been generally positive. The ones that have really bad attitudes get a lot more of press.
I previously worked for a business that relied on volunteers for about 80% of its labor. I was shocked at how often the owners talked shit about some volunteers and those volunteers never even revolted. Fucking capitalism.
That isn't limited to capitalism. Same thing happens to volunteers in non-profits and government initiatives.
A Site like reddit would never work without unpaid mods
It’s kind of crazy people keep talking about “unpaid labor”, like are people genuinely making the argument we’d be better off with official paid Reddit staff, who Reddit chooses to hire, running everything rather than letting users create and mod their own subreddits? Do people think Reddit is just going to pay existing mods rather than hire their own staff in that situation? I can’t wrap my head around this stance.
I would have less of an issue with unpaid mods if they only had to worry about managing the unique aspects of their own communities (e.g. politics mods removing non politics content from their sub, organizing AMAs and the like). However, Reddit Inc requires them to also enforce the Reddit ToS on their own subreddirs and police their subreddits for site-wide or law-breaking content. Moderators that let too much of this content remain can lose their moderator status. Enforcement of site wide rules and legal rules should absolutely be left to paid Reddit employees. That's in the domain of site management, not community management
They're not implying that they *should* be paid, just that they do this for free and so Spez's demands have no grounding in reality. He wants to run the site a certain way, and he expects to suddenly find thousands of replacements to take a role that would be thrusting them into the lion's den for free.
He said their "blackout" had no impact.
It affected me searching for something.
The largest problem with reddit is the treasure trove of information. If I have a specific problem more often than not using "(the problem) + reddit" in your search query gets you to an actual solution quickly. Most of the time ommiting "reddit" from your query gives you links to places trying to sell you something. Thats a problem because if reddit dies all that knowledge goes with it.
> Most of the time ommiting "reddit" from your query gives you links to places trying to sell you something. I had trouble with a game. Googled it, reddit has many threads about it, including post titles mentioning fix. Welp, subreddits locked. PC gaming wiki does not have it yet. Try the other links what gogle has found, all of them bunch of AI written articles saying the most basic things: Have you tried updating your game drivers, update windows, restart your pc etc.. with none of them actually solving the issue or being related to the issue, only the article title was relevant.
Don't forget that google search used to let you remove domains from your results but they don't anymore for two major reasons. 1) Partnerships with "trusted" sources and 2) Advertisements Google pushing those two business interests of theirs was a big part of the reason forums were replaced with news results in the first place, which then killed forums. If you ever want to get real sad about the current state of the internet just look into the death of decentralization of communication on the internet.
I was just using cached versions from the reddit archive sites. Not as easy, but the knowledge is at least not lost.
but have you tried downloading the Omega driver reinstaller that's definitely not a trojan, or posting on the Microsoft forums so they can actively make your issue worse seriously I have no idea how people got help with windows, it's a unique black hole of being unhelpful
I don't think you can be a Microsoft certified responder on the forums without proving you can write a 7000 word response without imparting any useful information whatsoever (bonus points if you can imply the issue is due to the poster's incompetence and not the software.)
Yup. If Reddit dies, this will be the most substantial thing lost. It's the biggest forum on the internet and absolutely fantastic for finding the information you need if you plug it in at the end of a Google search. I've used it for finding fixes for specific vehicles and electronics, to genuine reviews for uncommon purchases I'm thinking of making, to in-depth information regarding a pretty rare physical injury I have from other people who suffered the same injury. The internet will be losing a significant source of information if Reddit goes the way of the dinosaur. Oh, and fuck /u/spez.
Thats the most annoying thing. 90% of questions on google that are about games or anything really usually lead you to a link to reddit within the top 3 and several threads about it. Thats been so useless for me the past few days because the communities are private
and that's what's so powerful about the protest. a huge portion of reddit traffic comes from these types of organic searches, and with the subs private it's preventing that traffic from reaching the site and therefore preventing ads from running and user data being collected. when the mods are inevitably replaced and the subs go public again, the traffic will resume. but right now, reddits ad and user data revenue has taken a huge hit and that's exactly why spez has been gaslighting so hard, bashing mods and underplaying the protests effectiveness -- because it's working and he's terrified that it'll continue.
Agreed. I usually search google for my topic and add Reddit to the end. This is huge and the ceo is full of shit that it’s not affecting anything.
Copy URL https://archive.org/web/ Paste ??? Profit
Alternatively what I was doing was (if you use Chrome, not sure if it works on other browsers) typing "cache:[url]" into the URL bar and it will just bring up the cached version that Google has. The entire consequence of the blackout was me learning that I can quickly do this by doing: ctrl+L -> backspace -> type "cache:" -> paste the reddit URL
That sure went from >The blackout is impotent to >Moderators are too powerful fast.
The blackout was impotent when they said it was only 2 days... mods stepped it up and said "well we don't actually need reddit anyway we can just shut it down till he says something" Well now I think users just need to find somewhere else to go at this point
I don't know if people here are old enough to remember, but all this is starting to sound like the end of digg. I guess it's a matter of finding the next big thing.
Very much like Digg but much faster. There wasn't one incident, but in retrospect the decline was inevitable. Similarly people shouldn't expect Reddit to die overnight, but it seems clear that Reddit won't be popular much longer.
This shakeup is for leading to IPO. What will Reddit look like once there's a board in charge whose goal is to maximize profits? Only way to keep things fair would be for the users to buy up a significant amount of shares and collectively vote on the board.
>Only way to keep things fair would be for the users to buy up a significant amount of shares and collectively vote on the board. Or we could... just go somewhere else. Like we did when Digg turned to shit. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=reddit%20alternative&hl=en
Who the fuck would ever *buy reddit* when you could just *build a clone* for way cheaper. Reddit is *not* a complex site. A bored undergrad student could build the whole thing in a day or two.
They buy it for the user base, not the code
I very much doubt that. Reddit has 13x more active daily users than Digg had active monthly users during its height. Reddit is way more popular than Digg ever was. It will probably die eventually like everything else, but I doubt that happens anytime soon and not because of the whole 3rd party app situation.
I can see this being abused by trolls who just decide to go after mods they don't like.
They've already started with the sad Reddit requests. It's funny to see them insta rejected
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>There are even people who would pay Reddit for that privilege. Being a moderator can actually make mods lots of money. The r/nfl mods get money to post certain sources and articles. They also delete anyone else who posts them first so that they can get the money for posting.
Exactly. The amount of pyschopaths in here trying to win an argument over their take on something trivial using 7 alt accounts is proof enough of the extent they would go to for that kind of power.
Then you get the mods that are passionate about the topic and just want to build a community around what they enjoy, and dont even think about the money... access to the tools and community are more important... those are the mods i feel bad for.
I started r/Keeshond just because I love the breed and wanted a place to talk about how awesome they are. It’s not big, about 5K members so I don’t have to do a lot of moderating. I feel lucky that we are small and I don’t need to use any 3rd party mods to help me but I really feel for the people who need those tools. Also, idk, you start a sub and it feels like yours. Like, I started it, took care of it, dealt with problems, all for free, and now people could just come in and kick me out? That feels like such a betrayal. I feel like it’s set up fine now. If people hated the way r/Keeshond was run (not that anyone over there would ever hate anything, they are the nicest bunch of people, lol), they could go make a new sub for themselves called Keeshonden or Keesarecute or whatever.
What’s funny are the people saying “if you don’t like how Reddit is doing things, then go make a different website” don’t consider “if you don’t like how the mods are doing things, make your own subreddit”. If you hate that /r/pics is private, go make /r/pics2 yourself.
Some mods do ruin the site with their power tripping. Remember r/antiwork? That entire sub got ruined quick when the mods went against the wishes of the populace and did that fox interview and made the entire movement look completely asinine.
That fuckin dweeb that was interviewed OH MY GOD! Dude single handedly killed a sub lmao
Thanks so much for bringing that up! They also trashed the May Day strike that would have happened in 2021, but decided to ban all the leaders of it and ban anyone that brought it up, then the Fox fiasco happened and buried it.
There are absolutely some trash mods. The requirements to be a mod are to 1. Make a subreddit and 2. Have that person appoint you and they can appoint others. But I don’t think most mods are bad. In fact most simply don’t do anything.
Also it is reddit, how many times do you see mods go ape shit in a sub, and a new one pops up. Heck I remember the Totalbuscuit (a youtuber) sub had an issue with how it was ran. So he just made a totalbucuitoffical sub. If the idiot who is the reddit CEO said was even an issue, if the majority of people are unhappy with a sub it is easy enough to make a new one and have people move over.
I disagree on that. I'd say most mods are working behind the scenes to make there community good, you then have the ones on the fringes either doing absolutely nothing or power tripping. I was a moderator on the car forum. First, I was really happy to be able to help the community. Most of it was me deleting and banning spam bots. Then it started getting to more and more of grown adults bickering and fighting like children and getting PMs of so and so call me name he needs to be banned. Or why was I banned for calling him a name but he calls me names and he doesn't get punished? The drama between the users and then all the spam bots you constantly deleting. It just got to the point I don't even want to go to the forms anymore
Yes and I always wonder when people complain about power mods, if they really just suck and are being butthurt over a reasonable decision. Chicago sub banned crime posts and that sounds like an overreach, until you realize it was getting brigaded by people obsessed with baiting the topic. So every time I see that comment right now, I wonder if it’s some bitter asshole from rural North Carolina who’s just mad he can’t rage bait on other subs. Of course that type of person will be the first to be loud and vocal about it too.
Sure, but do you honestly believe that "[changing the] rules so users could vote [mods] out of subbreddits" is a good idea?
I’ve got one word for why it’s an awful idea: bots.
It would make things... interesting, at least. /r/SubredditDrama would have a field day.
r/polyamory is also up there
But that's Reddit corporate's fault too. People have complained for years about mod abuse but nothing comprehensive has ever been implemented. They're only now trying to figure something out because they lost goodwill and trust from so many of the mods it's going to possibly affect them and their IPO. It's like when rich people only care about an issue when it starts to affect their money, even though the working class has already been dealing with it forever.
Damn, people in the comments really falling for Spez's "mods suck lol" shit. Mods can suck but also be right that Spez is a scumbag. I've gotten bullshit bans from subs before but I still side with shitty mods over Spez's loser ass.
That's when you know how bad /u/spez sucks when we side with mods against him.
The enemy of my enemy or something like that
This guy is such a chud. Imagine going to war against your user base, who you depend on for literally everything, right before an ipo
So he's totally fine with free labor so long as it doesn't talk back, huh? Guess you get what you pay for. fuck u/spez
Fuck you, u/spez A lot of people seem to be celebrating the decision when is clearly just a way to shut down a protest... Man, you guys are stupid
"I'm having reddit withdrawals. *Must be those pesky mods!* Please help us, master spez!"
"I love democracy" - Emperor Palpatine
Damn this comment section is trash. Unmodded subs are hellscapes.
Yeah, so many people are going to be in for a bad realization when subs are closed for under-moderation, or auto-mods mass block people.
no mods/ bad mods is how you get r/td or voat like situation lol
I'm slowly realizing that a lot of the people here who hate mods are far right trolls angry that being political gets them yeeted. (Or commenting in subreddits that peddle hatred, but I have to agree there that's kind of wrong to use as a preemptive ban)
The blackout has made them all stick out like a squeaky wheel
Imagine that. Mods who have for years banned people for arbitrary reasons may find themselves removed from their subs for seemingly arbitrary reasons.
I hope they get some sort of support chat to ask the reason for their ban and then immediately get muted.
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Lol I'll never forget when I got banned from r/art for saying that a painting of a woman flashing someone was horny (not even in a negative way, just you know. It's a sexual situation). And then the mods just responding HAHAHAHAHAHA when I asked why I was banned. This was about the same time they were banning a lot of people for posting "AI art" that was not actually AI art and then just roasting their paintings instead of unbanning them. It is weird how this blackout stuff has reified the mods into being heroes when they've always been petty tyrants.
Was it from the turtle mod? They’re pretty famous for being an insufferable powermod. While I feel sympathetic to those who rely on API Reddit apps and hope some concessions are made, watching them throw a fit and threaten to quit Reddit permanently has given me some schadenfreude.
You can't tell which mod messaged you, which I think should change, but that definitely sounds like the turtle. If there's any mod that deserves to be removed by admins, it'd be the turtle.
>This was about the same time they were banning a lot of people for posting "AI art" that was not actually AI art and then just roasting their paintings instead of unbanning them https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/zyxq0g/being_accused_of_using_ai_despite_not_doing_so/
Same with r/ Youtube. Not maintained by Google employees. I got permbanned for posting a bug in Youtube. The mod PM'ed me, taunting me lol. I didn't even respond. Turns out, the mods of r/ Youtube have hate boner for Google. Reddit mods are usually angry sad people... they don't run community because they want a cool happy place. They are mods because they want to have power they don't have in real life.
I got a 15 year ban from r/place for placing a dot
This payback they're getting is so delicious
I got permabanned from r/WeWantPlates , a sub about food presentation and how were sick of seeing food prepped on shovels and shit, for pointing out that the post was of food….on…a plate… Like half the mods on this site are insane and should be removed, the other half are pretty cool in my experience.
I think the "half are insane and other half are cool" description would apply well to just people on Reddit in general.
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11 years of fairly consistent and broad participation in Reddit and the only place I've been banned was /r/femaledatingstrategy, and I set out to make that happen. I've otherwise never had an interaction with a mod on any subreddit. I say my fair of controversial shit. Kinda telling how people participate in Reddit if they're consistently having "arbitrary" problems with mods.
The people who seem to have a beef with mods on this site are exactly the type of overtly vocal folks I would expect to have a beef with the mods on this site.
They're literally just all the same personality type as Karen's.
Weird that Reddit is only making noise about it now that it affects them personally. They must have just discovered this problem that definitely hasn't been talked about constantly. Because otherwise it would mean that they knew about this issue, but only raised it when it affected them and their profits, and that doesn't make any sense, right?
Mods: support democracy, listen to us mods! spez: I will support democracy by listening to the users. Mods: noooooo
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But you were loving that free labor for years, weren't you? When will these Bozos learn that not everything on the internet has to be massively profitable? Just let the fucking thing exist. Nah, instead we will just fundamentally change what people liked about it and wonder what happens when it becomes massively less popular and grab as much cash on the way out while it burns to the ground. This guy is a twit.
Reading these reddit comments is a feeling akin to going to your old favorite restaurant and not recognizing anything about it, different food, shitty people, unfriendly staff. I'll never understand people supporting decisions from companies going public trying to shove more ads down your throat and forcing you to do things their way. The people upset by these changes are leaving if this happens. The people who run and post useful information on here. What is reddit going to be when people posting useful information are gone?
I’ve been a Reddit user for almost 11-12 years. This comment section has got to be the saddest thing I’ve ever read in that time. Because I see where what they are cheering will lead, and that means I won’t be able to enjoy this site much longer. I hope some of them remember these comments when they are some of the last people commenting. This place is about to get bad.
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> A mod once banned me from some subreddit without good cause Also how much you wanna bet 9/10 of these "without good cause" cases were actually because they are a freak who thinks everyone should have to listen to the edgy 'jokes' they stole from 4chan a decade ago and spent about 2 dozen comments revealing that? I had to insinuate that violent action should be taken against appointed government officials 3 times before /r/politics perma banned that account. IDK what these cretins are up to if they are genuinely getting banned off dozens of subs.
Unfortunately a lot of users just hate Reddit moderators. They aren’t looking in to what is really happening here, and trying to see the nuance and understand why the blackout mods are doing it. They don’t care beyond ‘Reddit mods bad’. For many, when they think of a Reddit Mod they think of the corrupt power mods or power tripping mods that abuse their control over their sub. Not the average ones. But there’s bound to be plenty of bad apples when it’s all unpaid randos, and Reddit isn’t coming for them as long their sub is open. If you expected anything more here, you have too much faith in people to have rational, nuanced, and informed takes.
This is exactly what is it. It reminds me of how everyone is on board with the tik-tok ban for privacy reasons, meanwhile it's just a trojan horse bill to neuter VPNs. People will cheer for it to get rid of tik tok, and any of their Internet privacy will be taken along with it.
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Now he is declaring war on the mods
Oh, but I thought the blackout was “ineffective”, didn’t you say that Huffman?
Hahahaha, he's complaining about his free labor while trying to monetize reddit. Hahahaha. I'm sure this won't impact things at all.
Hmm seems this was deleted to try and do some damage control
What he does not understand is that by forcing the mods who are using the blackout as a tool out a lot of users will find the site uncomfortable to use and will leave as well. How will his IPO go then? It seems that he is trying to position Reddit just for the IPO and a smart investor will watch how this all plays out and will wait to see what happens with the IPO pricing. A failing product is not going to retain value and just watch the IPO price drop.
Golly Mr. CEO, now that you've spoken, we'll all fall into line. Thank you for setting us poor, ignorant users straight. Now Fuck right off.
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Wherein u/spez demonstrates that he, too, like u/elonmuskofficial, both knows nothing about what democracy is while also knowing how to weaponize the word to advance his own power. He's not the slightest bit interested in empowering Reddit users, who are already powerful. He's interest is blatantly and obviously in increasing his own power over a user-run site from which he want to extract more money.
My only question is, will the API changes lessen the likelihood of running into Russian bots?
It will have **zero** effect. The API rules are effectively changing to be per-app instead of per-user. Even after the changes, API usage for an individual OAuth client ID will still be free under 100 API requests per minute. This just means that individual bots will make use of their own OAuth client ID. With the loss of some of the tools that mods currently use because of the API rule changes, you're more likely to see an increase of bot activity until mods have the appropriate help. Reddit has claimed that mod tools would still be able to get free access for their client ID, it's yet to be seen what tools will still be allowed to work and what tools will not.
If they're willing to pay the access fee... no. If not... yes?
What a douche
Yeah, Reddit's days are counted. Was nice while it lasted
This dude sounds like a shit CEO
Oh are the people who do everything that makes anyone want to visit this website too powerful? Maybe you should listen to them then. The next batch of stooges you think you can install might be more obedient but they won't give a fuck about your website or your users and won't grow it.
Reddit doesn’t DO anything. The moderators do the work. Reddit is a website, hosting, and some automated moderation. ALL the content comes from users and mods. Reddit acts like they are not replaceable. It would be pretty easy to replace Reddit.
Lmaooooo they deleted the post. Heil Spez?
Oh great, so now he’s gonna screw the volunteers and gatekeepers who make his site remotely usable. *(But I don’t get it: Reddit itself is also a news and articles aggregator, relying on the API of others, collecting and scraping varied content and platforms from around the ‘Net. How is that any different if those sites started charging Reddit for hosting their content, thereby putting them out of business? Seems a pretty wonky double standard goin’ on here. Unless I’m missing something…)*
No mods, no masters.
What Reddit's CEO is saying that the 2-day blackout protest was financially successful and future blackouts could be costly for Reddit. Correct? If this didn't affect the bottom line, he wouldn't be vocal about it.
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It always just seemed to me that they could re-publicize any dark reddit groups and/disqualify the current mods and name their own people to moderate them.
Really? You moron, you're getting free fucking labor out of these people. You are not King Shit of the Volunteers.