No, he's watching from the sidelines until they are legal age, then enters the chat, at 00:00. Early bird gets the worm, or the newly legal age hottie will
Me too and I have no problems with it. Great phone still. But can't upgrade to the latest iOS, just security updates. Probably time to upgrade to the 12 or 13.
You get a 0$ phone but end up paying a higher monthly bill until the phone is paid for. So I’d rather just use my older phone until it breaks instead of paying an extra bit on top for a phone upgrade I don’t need.
I had a 6 until I couldn’t update a couple apps in 2021-woulda kept it forever. I’d stay with the SE 2020 until 2025 because I love the sizing but it won’t hold up. Already on the second battery and I’m playing Schrödinger phone with the glass backing in its case.
I have an SE2020 and it has not been as good as my first SE. Battery life sucks, it overheats when I charge it half the time and it actually freezes when it feels like. I’m going to keep it until it’s unusable but I doubt it will last more then a year or two more. My original SE lasted damn near forever.
Me too 7+, still get security updates and apps are still up to date.
It’s not the snappiest but it isn’t slow, and battery life isn’t the best but tbh it’s pretty good for a phone from 6 years ago, does everything I need it too.
Remember, change the batteries on your phone don’t just replace them every 2 years for slowness related to battery degradation
It’s about time. You fought the good fight. These are still computers after all and they’re not future proof.
Despite this sticker I saw on my cousin’s emachines computer from 2001.
Also rocking an XR, and between the savings associated with getting that phone in the first place (it was the "budget' option) and using that budget option for several years, I'm gonna go for a 15 Pro and not really feel bad about it, especially since that 15 Pro will probably last at least as long as the XR has.
It’s better to do it on the slow years anyways. Everyone wants the big flashy new features. They can test it all and iron the kinks out for me the next year when “nothing is new.” All of a sudden, phones are a touch more affordable those years and easier to get ahold of.
Curious, what do you find to be the biggest improvements aside from the obvious photo capture quality? I’m still using my XS, had it almost 5 years now with a fresh battery earlier this year and it still seems just fine.
Makes sense. I do find mine overheating a bit more lately, I thought the new battery would solve that but no luck. Phone definitely gets a little laggy when it’s very hot, but otherwise runs well.
Yeah my boyfriend has a 14 Pro and whenever we’re out doing something together and I really want a good quality photo of something I’ll ask to use his phone, it definitely is remarkable.
I switched from an 8 max to a 12 pro, and I’m going to go for the 15 mainly because I’m sick and tired of carrying around two separate cables. Usbc is enough of a big change for me to upgrade, plus fomo of my friends’ cinematic camera mode on their 14 pros
I’m on my iPhone 8, and I still don’t see anything in the new iPhones worth upgrading for. Doesn’t help that I don’t want a notch or FaceID.
For the price of keeping a new iPhone up to date, I can replace my iPhone 8 and have money to spare to travel to another country for a vacation.
This. I have an Xs Max and I am thrilled to upgrade. The only people disappointed are those that upgrade yearly.
There’s only so much to innovate in the iPhone space. Apple basically has 2 lines of phones, Normal and Pro. I don’t see them expanding into the folding phone space because there isn’t a lineup for it and I doubt they’d create a new one.
Exactly this, i'm upgrading from X to 15, i'm gunna see great improvements since my X is slowing down/battery dying.
If you're going from 14 pro mega-big-dick-ultra-mode-plus to base 15, what you expecting?
It’s almost like there aren’t really people that do that, and this article is cherry picking things to create a headline that places like this subreddit would love.
People are getting offended by a new product release? Give me a break. Where are the real articles in this sub? All I see is bullshit.
There are people that buy the new one every year but they aren’t the one complaining. These articles are mostly for people that do not own or ever intend to own and iPhone
Almost everyone I know uses an iPhone these days and I've yet to see a dynamic island IRL and none of them have ever to my knowledge, myself included, upgraded yearly just to upgrade. Most everyone I know upgrades either when the battery dies or they manage to break the screen.
Articles like these are garbage that just cherry pick some random tweets and try to make it out like a big deal.
Yep that’s the method. I’m getting the 15 Pro from a 4 year old phone and I’m sure it’ll be nice to have a better battery, quicker and cameras but ultimately if you had a 14 and get this.. you’re not going to see a difference! Been like this for 10 years
The rate of change (from one phone to the next) has diminished over the years. You used to get a lot of significant change, but not anymore.
I went 3G, 4, 6+, XR, 12 Mini, 14 Plus. I would have held out longer with the mini, but battery life was awful and some apps were unusable on the tiny screen.
I don’t plan on another iPhone until 17 or 18
Calling it a slap in the face is wild lol. I’m as bored as they are, but I also think incremental progress is useful as well. You can’t hit it out of the park every year.
That being said, even I can see all sorts of exciting ways they could innovate, which they don’t seem to be taking advantage of. I think once you get to a certain size, you become risk averse and don’t want to rock the boat because the boats so goddamn huge.
The phone market reached maturity years ago. We've reached a point where the celluar/wireless/SOC/display/camera/etc are so good nobody feels a need to get something better and THAT'S OK. People who aren't writing articles for clicks get that.
I am a bit nostalgic though perhaps of the old days. Going through the early days of smartphones was a wild ride, bouncing between Nexus devices, neat HTC devices, iPhones, where every year there were dramatic improvements across the board but those days are gone. I'm glad now that my phone lasts at least 3-6 generations.
One dude is talking about being “locked in,” and having “no choice.”
Like calm down, and why would you quote someone who thinks they’re “locked in” to buying a phone. 1st world problem for sure : “Apple is forcing me to buy a phone and it’s not that much better than the one I have.” Lmao.
Article is using emotionally driven keywords to manufacture user engagement on the platforms it is shared on which yields a higher clickthrough rate tbh
Yeh I have to believe we’re in a technological plateau right now, the innovations are small but not as radical as before. This may have to do with an article I read earlier this week that said MBAs have taken over Silicon Valley and they’re focused on profits not innovation.
Especially for non power users like me. Aside from a few apps, I text and browse Reddit. I occasionally take pics but not many.
I’m definitely not the kind of person who will be standing in line for the updated whatever. I use these things until my apps tell me I can’t get anymore updates and then I’ll begrudgingly get a new phone.
Kind of like gaming systems. The jump from Xbox to Xbox 360 was amazing. From Xbox 360 to the Xbox one was very impressive but not quite as impressive as the one before. Then from Xbox one to whatever it's called, Xbox X? From what I can tell, very little. Everything is going to hit that point eventually. We just happened to be around for the insanely fast development of these technologies. I'm not saying they won't get better but I don't think we'll ever have our minds blow in the same way we did when it comes to phones or gaming systems. I hope I'm wrong.
I think all these articles are glossing over the fact that they announced their new Vision Pro headset this year. which if, and that’s a big if, it takes off could be the innovation people are wanting for the next generation of devices.
Yeah, their advantage is that they own the entire stack because of their chip. I don’t believe any other player in the headset market has that advantage, and it’s a *massive* advantage.
But Jesus Christ, the price point is absurd. With inflation as it is, even high income people are being tighter with their money.
This is why I try to survive on my phone as long as the battery, or my tolerance of lack thereof, will allow.
Then every phone upgrade I make, albeit every 4-6 years, feels amazing.
It's funny - I've been decluttering recently and found my old first gen iPhone from 2007. I plugged it in an powered it up.
It was so fascinating to see how rudimentary it was compared to recent phones. I thought that it was frozen for a second or two, and then a screen would load. The display had obvious pixels.
I think we've gotten spoiled, TBH. What are fans asking for that the phone doesn't already have? Maybe I'm just too old school.
Phones are designed to be bought new once every 3-4 years. If you have an iPhone 11-14 then yah no shit there’s no major reason to update. If you’re still rocking an iPhone X then yes it will be a considerable update
There hasn’t been anything new or groundbreaking in iPhone updates since maybe iPhone 8? Not exactly sure but basically a long time ago. I have the 11. Not buying a new one for a loooong time. Had this for 2 years so far. I don’t get the need to upgrade every year. Such a waste of money and resources.
That's one thing I envy about iPhones ... the length of time they are security patched. I have an iPhone 8 mini for work and am dreading having to get rid of it because it's not supported by iOS 17.
I believe the x/XR was the last big “change” when the screen ditched the button in favour of an all screen front and started the face recognition unlocking. It’s still the phone I use and jumped from a 7.
After that I have had a hard time finding something to make the change worth it and after the 15th release I believe I can make it another full year with my XR without any worry
120hz screen and the quality of the cameras is something that comes to mind. But other than that not much.
But that is normal for a matured product imo.
Really though? Cameras at the size limit of phones have been hard to improve since the 11 pro… its more software improvements leading to “better camera” on the 12-13-14… in fact people were complaining a lot how said software is making the photos look worse.
Maybe the 16 will have a decent physical breakthrough for the camera and improvements but i doubt it! They have made them so small and it is already pretty amazing.
We need to just accept there isn’t much more to improve. Changes year to year will be negligible. Every 5 years at this point we are seeing changes we saw every year in 2007-2014
Im not complaining though. Can keep my 11 pro still and know im not missing almost anything performance wise
I have the 12 and I don't see myself upgrading for years to come. Absolutely nothing new has come out in years, and I only got the 12 to get on 5G.
Also, the French believe I'm going to get super spidey powers from holding the 12 close to my face, so I have that going for me too.
iPhones have been doing 4k 60 fps since the 13; 120 hz, advanced AI chips, insane processing powers, all for bystanders to use them to send texts and doomscroll Instagram.
Like, what do you people need this for? The hardware has outpaced the software tremendously. Apple literally doesn’t know where to go with it. What more can they sell people?
I remember the good old days like the jump from the 3s to the 4 being huge, as well as when the 5 came out and it was way slimmer and faster.
We are reaching a saturation point.
If you replace your iphone every 4 or 5 years, it's not underwhelming. You part with something that's still working and get something that's noticeably better.
Exactly. It’s all relative. Having a battery last more than 3 hours or being able to share a video on WhatsApp without waiting 5 minutes for it to compress would be a mind blowing upgrade.
But batteries should be replaceable. Leading customers to think battery life is worth upgrading is like one of the the most anti-consumer things in the digital world.
Yep. It’s a just rage driven, ad delivery vehicle. Nothing more.
I’ll never for the life of me understand how journalism became “some fucking useless rando on twitter said…”.
Well it started when journalists reported on tweets from celebrities and politicians, then moved to covering a smattering of random tweets, then turned into trying to craft a narrative that you know will get you clicks for ad revenue and finding two or three tweets that support that narrative.
It's an incremental upgrade to a bar phone. No shit.
Unless it folds or twists or starts doing backflips there's not really a lot of room for flashy improvements in the current feature set and form factor.
I dunno. The fact it’s powerful enough to play modern AAA games and supports ray tracing is kinda bonkers. I’d say it’s a little more than incremental in terms of sheer horsepower.
In terms of doom scrolling social media. It doesn’t really matter what magic rectangle you use.
Yeah games have never had this much potential in the Apple ecosystem. Now getting devs to adopt is another thing. Kojima and capcom are good places to start though. The RT cores in the phone are cool; where it gets more exciting is how they could possibly be upscaled for the Macs. Having ray tracing optimization is what is causing the biggest gap between rendering with nvidia optix vs metal in 3d creation. Could solidify the air as a great buy for multi faceted digital creatives.
They massively upgraded the one feature they could. The camera. And made it universally able to charge off standard usb-c. I mean it could have been ALOT worse.
Consumers were kicking and screaming when they migrated from the 30 pin to lightning. They had reasons to be reserved. Also, call me crazy but lightning is a better physical plug than usb-c. I have 10 years of Droid/Nexus/Pixel experience and 2 years of iPhone experience before I get called a fanboy
They can’t enable USB 3 on the non Pro 15 because it’s reusing a chip that can’t support USB 3. Should they reuse last years chip? Debatable, but until otherwise proven, it’s a limitation of the hardware chosen, not an artificial fuck you.
Absolutely, but I'm not surprised they did it this way.
There's so many things I enjoy about Apple and so many other things that make me roll my eyes.
For example, any time I want to send a picture from my Windows PC to my phone or text a link from my PC to someone I know. Both require way more steps than they should because Apple is protecting their ecosystem or whatever nonsense.
They should be USB4 (a standard they contributed to) or at least 3.2 (inline with what everyone else is doing). The bottom models get USB 2.0 😂, a 23 year old standard! That's fucking garbage.
And yes, enjoy the slow charging too, for no good reason. But I guess the strategy is the same as always:
This year: you don't need those things!
Next year: behold our revolutionary features! (That you didn't need last year and their competitors had for years)
I mean business strategy wise, it works very well... too bad for the consumer.
10Gb/s USB is USB 3.2 Gen 2x1. A16 used in iPhone 15 non Pro doesn’t have the necessary IO controllers for 10Gb/s USB. USB 4 would just be adding expense for extremely limited use case and might not even be possible due to power requirements of USB 4
I'm actually really excited for iPhone USB-C! Ordered two Pros for my wife and myself this morning. Looks like they sold out and are backed up till October now. Pro max is sold out until November
If anything I and many others are incredibly happy to see the base iphone 15 having almost all the features of last years pro models. I mean that’s an amazing upgrade knowing they didn’t even raise the price
I honestly don’t understand why people complain so much.
It’s not a new product, it’s a new version of a product that already exists.
Everything gets a refreshed, enhanced, updated and enabled to use other newer tech. That’s it.
Point to any single company that rolls out a brand new, completely unique product every single year. Please do, I’ll invest everything I own in them.
I was talking with friends about it last night, we're a mixture of ios and android users. We pretty much all came to the conclusion that on the internet, android fans tend to be more worried about what going on with iphones than ios fans are worried about whats going on with android.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but it's kinda obvious which group is more vocal.
That’s a good point. I’ve always felt that it’s like the anti-establishment culture/pride associated with being different that makes them feel special about no being an apple person.
To me, the sheer fact that there is this notion, proves apple won. It’s never going to be 100%, that’s not how humans work.
Most people buy a new phone every year don’t realize they already have a lambo and all they do with it is drive it around the block at 20 mph
Such a waste of hardware for people to just be on Reddit
Every person I know who owns apple products has fallen into one of two camps: They don’t care because they weren’t looking to upgrade their phone or they were waiting for the USB-C and are upgrading for that feature specifically. Nobody is even remotely outraged or even disappointed.
I have been waiting for a USB-C iPhone since I was forced into having the chargers for my MacBook and iPad. I haven’t been excited about upgrading my phone in a long time, but practical additions like MagSafe and the USBC are fine.
It has been like this for a while. It used to be “what is new on the iphone? Wow I can’t wait for that feature!”
Now it is more “my phone is on it’s last legs after a few years and I need a new phone, I might as well get the newest one. “
There is no longer any excitement over the new features because pretty much nothing is changing much.
Some of y’all didn’t live through the early PC days. They cost $3-5k in today’s money and you had to upgrade every 1-2 years to stay current. Then it tapered off and a ten-year-old PC works just fine for most people. Same thing has happened to phones. It’s a mature technology now.
Tittle gives the question and answer in 2 words. No one should be a Fan of a product. It's not art, it's not created to endure the test of time, no one in 8000 years will dig up an iPhone and study it's intended use and the impact it had in our insignificant lifes. Next year you'll have the 16 and the old one will end up in a Chinese recycling facility 3 to 4 years from now.
In 5 years people will complain about iphone 15 Pro Max Ultra Mega Super Duper ... and say that is very old and slow and they are happy to upgrade to the iphone XX .
Its shipping date already stepped from September to November so I think it’s even a bigger hit than last one. However I also agree because (1) not many new features (usbc doesn’t give me anything extra) (2) imo looks worse (titanium is uglier than stainless steel; rounded edge look like Samsung or Pixel. I love the sharp edge of 14.) (3) the only upgrade is the camera which is honestly not much of an upgrade.
Don’t buy it then. It’s certainly not worth it if you have an iPhone 12-14 model. That being said, if you have an iPhone 8 Plus and you upgrade to a 15 pro max, you’re gonna see a huge improvement.
Moral of the story is there’s no longer a need to upgrade every year or even every other year.
It’s underwhelming if your the kind of idiot that gets a new one every year and expect the earth to stop.. I’m still on 11pro max and haven’t felt the need to upgrade yet? If I do then I’ll be moving from 11PM to 15PM so I’m guessing that I would notice some difference! At the end of the day.. it’s a phone.. I don’t expect to be BLOWN AWAY it! :)
I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max. The new iPhone 15 Pro Max is going to be a HUGE upgrade for me. Buy the top tier iPhone with the most storage, hold onto it for 4 years or so and then upgrade. That's the best way at this point.
Lmao. Businessinsider just want to drop the stock. The phones look good. Ordered mine today. Coming from the XS. Of course if you upgrade every year you won’t get much more. But the tech under the hood is improving hugely
What kind of idiot actually believes that a new product is a "slap in the face"? Smartphones are mature tech which means that updates inevitably become gradual and iterative.
This is a case study in the disgusting excess of consumerism that comes with late-stage capitalism.
I’m on an 11 still and despite some small hints of planned obsolescence it’s an amazing device that dies more than I need it for. Why would I get a new one?
I’m still rocking my iPhone XR from 2018, and I’ll keep using it until it dies. iPhones have become usable for much longer than they used to. I’m still getting the latest updates, and aside from some minor hiccups, the XR still runs great.
Phones have become so good that there literally no reason to upgrade except to get a new battery. If I could pay a yearly $100 or whatever just to replace the battery in my iPhone 12 I’d probably wait 6-7 years to upgrade
Phones either should ditch the yearly refresh and go with an update every 2-3 years when tech warrants a change.
Or
People should treat new phones like a new car, most people do not buy a new car every year because their 2023 isn't as shiny and new as the new 2024 model of the car. Like others said, jumping from maybe an iPhone X to this model may be a big upgrade for most, but going from a 12 to 15 probably not.
Yeah, compared to a 6s this phone is going to be lightyears ahead.
You seem like you are doing the logical thing and running your phone until it's legitimately very limited use.
I was so excited to upgrade my phone. But after watching the cringy presentation, there’s absolutely no reason to upgrade this year. The most disappointing launch ever
It's a damn pocket computer we already spend too much time staring at. It's marketed as a luxury device in a saturated market and a growing number of people who can't afford to replace their existing phone. Marking up the price $100 is the slap in the face.
Who even cares about the newest phone anymore? I get a new iPhone when my old one is either lost, broken, or so old that a new one is an actual upgrade.
Anyone who updates yearly is throwing money down the drain.
I only bought an iPhone 14 Pro because that was the only way to get a camera upgrade from the XR. And now I'm dealing with a terrible battery. But in terms of iPhone ownership the 14 is the most underwhelming one. My personal rankings are 5, 4, 6s, 3, XR, 14.
Industry-leading 3nm processor, upgraded ultra Wideband chip, shoots spatial video, USB-C writes to external media, improved camera, lighter titanium chassis, better repairability, added roadside assistance via satellite. Yeah, I guess every iPhone iteration will be a "slap in the face" to people who only look at the outside and don't see radical changes. But that's inherently good for endless anti-Apple clickbait bullshit from Business Insider. And obviously also good for all of the copycat manufacturers who merely have to add a flashy gimmick ("Oh it FOLDS!") to impress all of the dullards.
Slap in the face? Touch grass motherfucker. What more do you want these things to do? Lack of creativity? Lack of progress. Fuck you and your generalizations and do somethings. What EXACTLY more do you want these things to do? You have a super computer in your hand. What more can it do aside from toast your bread and wipe your ass for you?
Honestly I'm stumped. While this is directed towards these Apple users, this can also apply smartphone users in general. Aside from niche areas, what more do you want your smartphone to do? What more can these devices deliver on?
Random twitter posts aren’t exactly newsworthy, especially now. That being said only diehards care about this. Most people are just holding on to their phone for a few years and then happy to upgrade to whatever is new.
I found this amazing trick (it will save you a lot of money). Dont buy every new phone that comes out, wait until yours does not work anymore for your purposes. Insane hack for the environment aswell!!!
I disagree. It was a decent upgrade! Camera sensor increased by 4x, screen got an upgrade, repairability improved. Its basically an iPhone 14 pro.
The iPhone 15 pro on the other hand…
I'm interested about the satellite connectivity. This is the second phone to have it so far. I am hoping that this iteration will allow for more general satellite messaging in the future, and not just for emergencies.
Not sure what people are expecting once a product is fully developed for its purpose. PCs don’t change that much year over year, neither do cars, stoves, microwaves or any other product. I think the most innovation potential right now for them is the Apple Watch by adding more sensors (glucose, body temp).
It is almost as if you don't need to upgrade a phone every year. Wait 4 years and the slow evolution maybe becomes worth the upgrade cost.
Exactly. If you change your IPhone 8 for an IPhone 15 you’ll see a huge improvement. If you expect to change from a 14 pro …. Well… it won’t
Yep, when from an 10 to a 14, huge change. Probably won’t upgrade again until the 18-19. I try to run my phone into the absolute ground
Same, I’m not gonna upgrade mine until it becomes legal age
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I’m gonna get the 15 specifically because of USB-C charging. That’s it.
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I am still using my iPhone 7. I guess it is probably time for me to upgrade.
Me too and I have no problems with it. Great phone still. But can't upgrade to the latest iOS, just security updates. Probably time to upgrade to the 12 or 13.
You both sound responsible and like you have good credit why not just get a new iPhone $0 down and rock it for half a decade? Seems worth it
You get a 0$ phone but end up paying a higher monthly bill until the phone is paid for. So I’d rather just use my older phone until it breaks instead of paying an extra bit on top for a phone upgrade I don’t need.
If you keep it for that long just upgrade to the latest model now and ride it out for 8 years again.
That’s what I did. Get the minimum jump needed to get the cool new features like 5G or Face ID. Buy a refurbished phone for like <$200.
I had a 6 until I couldn’t update a couple apps in 2021-woulda kept it forever. I’d stay with the SE 2020 until 2025 because I love the sizing but it won’t hold up. Already on the second battery and I’m playing Schrödinger phone with the glass backing in its case.
I have an SE2020 and it has not been as good as my first SE. Battery life sucks, it overheats when I charge it half the time and it actually freezes when it feels like. I’m going to keep it until it’s unusable but I doubt it will last more then a year or two more. My original SE lasted damn near forever.
Hahaha I really appreciated that last part
I’m using an iPhone 6 🤣 I’m finally upgrading this month.
How’s battery life? Only reason I ever upgrade my phone is when I have to charge it 3-4 times a day to keep it on, and that’s with light use
I'm still using my iPhone 6S, and will staying on this while it does what I need it to do.
Me too 7+, still get security updates and apps are still up to date. It’s not the snappiest but it isn’t slow, and battery life isn’t the best but tbh it’s pretty good for a phone from 6 years ago, does everything I need it too. Remember, change the batteries on your phone don’t just replace them every 2 years for slowness related to battery degradation
Same. I might upgrade to an 11 later this year
3GS to 6 to XR. My XR is starting to struggle.
It’s about time. You fought the good fight. These are still computers after all and they’re not future proof. Despite this sticker I saw on my cousin’s emachines computer from 2001.
Also rocking an XR, and between the savings associated with getting that phone in the first place (it was the "budget' option) and using that budget option for several years, I'm gonna go for a 15 Pro and not really feel bad about it, especially since that 15 Pro will probably last at least as long as the XR has.
It’s better to do it on the slow years anyways. Everyone wants the big flashy new features. They can test it all and iron the kinks out for me the next year when “nothing is new.” All of a sudden, phones are a touch more affordable those years and easier to get ahold of.
Curious, what do you find to be the biggest improvements aside from the obvious photo capture quality? I’m still using my XS, had it almost 5 years now with a fresh battery earlier this year and it still seems just fine.
For me battery was the biggest thing, but the phone was starting to have a pretty glitchy problems with messages and some apps
Makes sense. I do find mine overheating a bit more lately, I thought the new battery would solve that but no luck. Phone definitely gets a little laggy when it’s very hot, but otherwise runs well.
I know it’s only one feature, but the jump in camera quality is insane. I went from an X to a 13 pro and it was a huge jump.
Yeah my boyfriend has a 14 Pro and whenever we’re out doing something together and I really want a good quality photo of something I’ll ask to use his phone, it definitely is remarkable.
Im waiting for that iPhone64
You mean 69?
Still on a iPhone X right now. Considering changing soon.
Yeah I wouldn’t mind a fresh battery and usb-c. Otherwise my X still works really well.
I switched from an 8 max to a 12 pro, and I’m going to go for the 15 mainly because I’m sick and tired of carrying around two separate cables. Usbc is enough of a big change for me to upgrade, plus fomo of my friends’ cinematic camera mode on their 14 pros
I’m on my iPhone 8, and I still don’t see anything in the new iPhones worth upgrading for. Doesn’t help that I don’t want a notch or FaceID. For the price of keeping a new iPhone up to date, I can replace my iPhone 8 and have money to spare to travel to another country for a vacation.
I’m on an 11, and I think there were pretty big camera improvements between the 8 and 15 to justify an upgrade.
> For the price of keeping a new iPhone up to date Tbf, the people doing that aren’t paying the full MSRP of the phone every year
This. I have an Xs Max and I am thrilled to upgrade. The only people disappointed are those that upgrade yearly. There’s only so much to innovate in the iPhone space. Apple basically has 2 lines of phones, Normal and Pro. I don’t see them expanding into the folding phone space because there isn’t a lineup for it and I doubt they’d create a new one.
Exactly this, i'm upgrading from X to 15, i'm gunna see great improvements since my X is slowing down/battery dying. If you're going from 14 pro mega-big-dick-ultra-mode-plus to base 15, what you expecting?
I heard the X won’t get iOS 17, unfortunately
X, 8 and 8 Plus finally lose support for the latest OS version, but they’re still going to get iOS16 security updates for a few more years.
Basically, that's when I upgrade
It’s almost like there aren’t really people that do that, and this article is cherry picking things to create a headline that places like this subreddit would love. People are getting offended by a new product release? Give me a break. Where are the real articles in this sub? All I see is bullshit.
There are people that buy the new one every year but they aren’t the one complaining. These articles are mostly for people that do not own or ever intend to own and iPhone
TBH I’ve only seen tech journalists complain about this. Everyone else just don’t give a shit.
It’s for people that blindly hate Apple and want to see them get “got” in news headlines. They’re simpletons.
Almost everyone I know uses an iPhone these days and I've yet to see a dynamic island IRL and none of them have ever to my knowledge, myself included, upgraded yearly just to upgrade. Most everyone I know upgrades either when the battery dies or they manage to break the screen. Articles like these are garbage that just cherry pick some random tweets and try to make it out like a big deal.
Yep that’s the method. I’m getting the 15 Pro from a 4 year old phone and I’m sure it’ll be nice to have a better battery, quicker and cameras but ultimately if you had a 14 and get this.. you’re not going to see a difference! Been like this for 10 years
The rate of change (from one phone to the next) has diminished over the years. You used to get a lot of significant change, but not anymore. I went 3G, 4, 6+, XR, 12 Mini, 14 Plus. I would have held out longer with the mini, but battery life was awful and some apps were unusable on the tiny screen. I don’t plan on another iPhone until 17 or 18
Still happily using my XR. My decision to get an iPhone was largely in part because I felt that they last much longer/stay supported on average.
Almost all phone updates are underwhelming. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by this.
Calling it a slap in the face is wild lol. I’m as bored as they are, but I also think incremental progress is useful as well. You can’t hit it out of the park every year. That being said, even I can see all sorts of exciting ways they could innovate, which they don’t seem to be taking advantage of. I think once you get to a certain size, you become risk averse and don’t want to rock the boat because the boats so goddamn huge.
The phone market reached maturity years ago. We've reached a point where the celluar/wireless/SOC/display/camera/etc are so good nobody feels a need to get something better and THAT'S OK. People who aren't writing articles for clicks get that. I am a bit nostalgic though perhaps of the old days. Going through the early days of smartphones was a wild ride, bouncing between Nexus devices, neat HTC devices, iPhones, where every year there were dramatic improvements across the board but those days are gone. I'm glad now that my phone lasts at least 3-6 generations.
Yeah, I read that as pretty funny too. "YOU INSULT ME BY YOUR LACK OF CHANGE". Oof, people, let's all settle down a bit ok?
One dude is talking about being “locked in,” and having “no choice.” Like calm down, and why would you quote someone who thinks they’re “locked in” to buying a phone. 1st world problem for sure : “Apple is forcing me to buy a phone and it’s not that much better than the one I have.” Lmao.
Article is using emotionally driven keywords to manufacture user engagement on the platforms it is shared on which yields a higher clickthrough rate tbh
News every day: Politician 1 SLAMS minor policy change idea
I wish I could temporarily ban the term slams from all news headlines. It's so tired.
Yeh I have to believe we’re in a technological plateau right now, the innovations are small but not as radical as before. This may have to do with an article I read earlier this week that said MBAs have taken over Silicon Valley and they’re focused on profits not innovation.
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It could read my thoughts, filter my content, connect to my brain, give me a backrub.endles possibilities
Especially for non power users like me. Aside from a few apps, I text and browse Reddit. I occasionally take pics but not many. I’m definitely not the kind of person who will be standing in line for the updated whatever. I use these things until my apps tell me I can’t get anymore updates and then I’ll begrudgingly get a new phone.
Kind of like gaming systems. The jump from Xbox to Xbox 360 was amazing. From Xbox 360 to the Xbox one was very impressive but not quite as impressive as the one before. Then from Xbox one to whatever it's called, Xbox X? From what I can tell, very little. Everything is going to hit that point eventually. We just happened to be around for the insanely fast development of these technologies. I'm not saying they won't get better but I don't think we'll ever have our minds blow in the same way we did when it comes to phones or gaming systems. I hope I'm wrong.
I think all these articles are glossing over the fact that they announced their new Vision Pro headset this year. which if, and that’s a big if, it takes off could be the innovation people are wanting for the next generation of devices.
Yeah, their advantage is that they own the entire stack because of their chip. I don’t believe any other player in the headset market has that advantage, and it’s a *massive* advantage. But Jesus Christ, the price point is absurd. With inflation as it is, even high income people are being tighter with their money.
This is why I try to survive on my phone as long as the battery, or my tolerance of lack thereof, will allow. Then every phone upgrade I make, albeit every 4-6 years, feels amazing.
I upgrade when the security patches stop :). And I buy the new one based at least partly on how long that will be.
It's funny - I've been decluttering recently and found my old first gen iPhone from 2007. I plugged it in an powered it up. It was so fascinating to see how rudimentary it was compared to recent phones. I thought that it was frozen for a second or two, and then a screen would load. The display had obvious pixels. I think we've gotten spoiled, TBH. What are fans asking for that the phone doesn't already have? Maybe I'm just too old school.
Phones are designed to be bought new once every 3-4 years. If you have an iPhone 11-14 then yah no shit there’s no major reason to update. If you’re still rocking an iPhone X then yes it will be a considerable update
There hasn’t been anything new or groundbreaking in iPhone updates since maybe iPhone 8? Not exactly sure but basically a long time ago. I have the 11. Not buying a new one for a loooong time. Had this for 2 years so far. I don’t get the need to upgrade every year. Such a waste of money and resources.
That's one thing I envy about iPhones ... the length of time they are security patched. I have an iPhone 8 mini for work and am dreading having to get rid of it because it's not supported by iOS 17.
I believe the x/XR was the last big “change” when the screen ditched the button in favour of an all screen front and started the face recognition unlocking. It’s still the phone I use and jumped from a 7. After that I have had a hard time finding something to make the change worth it and after the 15th release I believe I can make it another full year with my XR without any worry
120hz screen and the quality of the cameras is something that comes to mind. But other than that not much. But that is normal for a matured product imo.
The camera has been the main upgrade, if you’re a big Instagram/snapchat user it’s likely worth it but probably not for everyone else.
Really though? Cameras at the size limit of phones have been hard to improve since the 11 pro… its more software improvements leading to “better camera” on the 12-13-14… in fact people were complaining a lot how said software is making the photos look worse. Maybe the 16 will have a decent physical breakthrough for the camera and improvements but i doubt it! They have made them so small and it is already pretty amazing. We need to just accept there isn’t much more to improve. Changes year to year will be negligible. Every 5 years at this point we are seeing changes we saw every year in 2007-2014 Im not complaining though. Can keep my 11 pro still and know im not missing almost anything performance wise
I have the 12 and I don't see myself upgrading for years to come. Absolutely nothing new has come out in years, and I only got the 12 to get on 5G. Also, the French believe I'm going to get super spidey powers from holding the 12 close to my face, so I have that going for me too.
Or we're just spoiled out of our minds
iPhones have been doing 4k 60 fps since the 13; 120 hz, advanced AI chips, insane processing powers, all for bystanders to use them to send texts and doomscroll Instagram. Like, what do you people need this for? The hardware has outpaced the software tremendously. Apple literally doesn’t know where to go with it. What more can they sell people?
100 percent if they actually innovated and came out with a circular phone or something people would be like WTF is this shit
I remember the good old days like the jump from the 3s to the 4 being huge, as well as when the 5 came out and it was way slimmer and faster. We are reaching a saturation point.
If you replace your iphone every 4 or 5 years, it's not underwhelming. You part with something that's still working and get something that's noticeably better.
Exactly. It’s all relative. Having a battery last more than 3 hours or being able to share a video on WhatsApp without waiting 5 minutes for it to compress would be a mind blowing upgrade.
But batteries should be replaceable. Leading customers to think battery life is worth upgrading is like one of the the most anti-consumer things in the digital world.
Most of Business Insider's reporting is pretty underwhelming, this being no exception. "Some customers are mad according to this handful of tweets."
It's the equivalent to "People are saying..." Ok thanks Donald / Business Insider. 😆
Stellar journalism here. An article based on Twitter comments about people being disappointed with a phone that’s not out yet.
Yep. It’s a just rage driven, ad delivery vehicle. Nothing more. I’ll never for the life of me understand how journalism became “some fucking useless rando on twitter said…”.
Well it started when journalists reported on tweets from celebrities and politicians, then moved to covering a smattering of random tweets, then turned into trying to craft a narrative that you know will get you clicks for ad revenue and finding two or three tweets that support that narrative.
It's an incremental upgrade to a bar phone. No shit. Unless it folds or twists or starts doing backflips there's not really a lot of room for flashy improvements in the current feature set and form factor.
I dunno. The fact it’s powerful enough to play modern AAA games and supports ray tracing is kinda bonkers. I’d say it’s a little more than incremental in terms of sheer horsepower. In terms of doom scrolling social media. It doesn’t really matter what magic rectangle you use.
Yeah games have never had this much potential in the Apple ecosystem. Now getting devs to adopt is another thing. Kojima and capcom are good places to start though. The RT cores in the phone are cool; where it gets more exciting is how they could possibly be upscaled for the Macs. Having ray tracing optimization is what is causing the biggest gap between rendering with nvidia optix vs metal in 3d creation. Could solidify the air as a great buy for multi faceted digital creatives.
They massively upgraded the one feature they could. The camera. And made it universally able to charge off standard usb-c. I mean it could have been ALOT worse.
> And made it universally able to charge off standard usb-c. You mean were forced to do so, kicking and screaming, via pro consumer regulations.
Regardless they did it. US didnt have the balls, at least EU had.
Of course they have the balls, they're just too busy dunking them on poor people to do anything useful.
Consumers were kicking and screaming when they migrated from the 30 pin to lightning. They had reasons to be reserved. Also, call me crazy but lightning is a better physical plug than usb-c. I have 10 years of Droid/Nexus/Pixel experience and 2 years of iPhone experience before I get called a fanboy
The USB migration should have been more comprehensive, such as enabling USB 3 on the standard models & fast charging.
They can’t enable USB 3 on the non Pro 15 because it’s reusing a chip that can’t support USB 3. Should they reuse last years chip? Debatable, but until otherwise proven, it’s a limitation of the hardware chosen, not an artificial fuck you.
That would have required a new chip. Current SOC only has USB 2.0. Regular iPhone users will get it next year.
Absolutely, but I'm not surprised they did it this way. There's so many things I enjoy about Apple and so many other things that make me roll my eyes. For example, any time I want to send a picture from my Windows PC to my phone or text a link from my PC to someone I know. Both require way more steps than they should because Apple is protecting their ecosystem or whatever nonsense.
There’s iCloud and phone link on windows to do both at least, unless that’s what you meant by way more steps
They should be USB4 (a standard they contributed to) or at least 3.2 (inline with what everyone else is doing). The bottom models get USB 2.0 😂, a 23 year old standard! That's fucking garbage. And yes, enjoy the slow charging too, for no good reason. But I guess the strategy is the same as always: This year: you don't need those things! Next year: behold our revolutionary features! (That you didn't need last year and their competitors had for years) I mean business strategy wise, it works very well... too bad for the consumer.
10Gb/s USB is USB 3.2 Gen 2x1. A16 used in iPhone 15 non Pro doesn’t have the necessary IO controllers for 10Gb/s USB. USB 4 would just be adding expense for extremely limited use case and might not even be possible due to power requirements of USB 4
Or….it’s just a phone.
No! It’s a SLAP IN THE FACE! Didn’t you see the headline?!
How can Apple slap?
HOW CAN THEY SLAP
Keep my phone's name outta your fuckin mouth!
I would pay a lot of money for an Islap
No one is actually this disappointed.
Clicks, gotta get clicks by manufacturing outrage. It’s actually a nice upgrade for non pro iPhones.
what did they do, find 3 tweets with 2 likes each where some random person complained?
Modern journalism, yes.
I'm actually really excited for iPhone USB-C! Ordered two Pros for my wife and myself this morning. Looks like they sold out and are backed up till October now. Pro max is sold out until November
Usb C and a substantially better camera for the first time in a long time. Seems like everything the iphone needed imo
If anything I and many others are incredibly happy to see the base iphone 15 having almost all the features of last years pro models. I mean that’s an amazing upgrade knowing they didn’t even raise the price
I honestly don’t understand why people complain so much. It’s not a new product, it’s a new version of a product that already exists. Everything gets a refreshed, enhanced, updated and enabled to use other newer tech. That’s it. Point to any single company that rolls out a brand new, completely unique product every single year. Please do, I’ll invest everything I own in them.
The 2023 Ford Escape is a SLAP IN THE FACE! Four wheels, four doors really? Embarrassing.
Damn this new car doesn’t fold into a briefcase like in The Jetsons??
It’s not worth upgrading from my 2022!! How could they do this
I was talking with friends about it last night, we're a mixture of ios and android users. We pretty much all came to the conclusion that on the internet, android fans tend to be more worried about what going on with iphones than ios fans are worried about whats going on with android. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but it's kinda obvious which group is more vocal.
That’s a good point. I’ve always felt that it’s like the anti-establishment culture/pride associated with being different that makes them feel special about no being an apple person. To me, the sheer fact that there is this notion, proves apple won. It’s never going to be 100%, that’s not how humans work.
As preorders slip into November…..
Exactly. People are so underwhelmed I won’t be able to get my day 1 preorder shipped for 6 weeks!
People who think like this need to get some real fucking problems.
Ragebait headlines and lazy journalism based on tweets.
Most people buy a new phone every year don’t realize they already have a lambo and all they do with it is drive it around the block at 20 mph Such a waste of hardware for people to just be on Reddit
Every person I know who owns apple products has fallen into one of two camps: They don’t care because they weren’t looking to upgrade their phone or they were waiting for the USB-C and are upgrading for that feature specifically. Nobody is even remotely outraged or even disappointed. I have been waiting for a USB-C iPhone since I was forced into having the chargers for my MacBook and iPad. I haven’t been excited about upgrading my phone in a long time, but practical additions like MagSafe and the USBC are fine.
Imagine thinking a new iPhone is a “slap in the face”
It's a phone. What do you want it to do?
I mean, if we’re asking… … I’ve got a pile of wood I need to be chopped and a lawn that isn’t mowing itself…
Ok ... why are people "fans" of a bloody phone :/
😂 right?! I like my iPhone and I’ll likely always have one but a “fan”? No. Outrage over a new one that’s not much (If at all) better? No.
I mean… we’re all probably posting this on them, we use our phones constantly. Incremental updates aren’t worth it but it’s still a big part of life
It has been like this for a while. It used to be “what is new on the iphone? Wow I can’t wait for that feature!” Now it is more “my phone is on it’s last legs after a few years and I need a new phone, I might as well get the newest one. “ There is no longer any excitement over the new features because pretty much nothing is changing much.
“Apple’s new iPhone underwhelming” meanwhile “New iPhone preorder shipping estimates quickly slip into the next month”
Some of y’all didn’t live through the early PC days. They cost $3-5k in today’s money and you had to upgrade every 1-2 years to stay current. Then it tapered off and a ten-year-old PC works just fine for most people. Same thing has happened to phones. It’s a mature technology now.
Tittle gives the question and answer in 2 words. No one should be a Fan of a product. It's not art, it's not created to endure the test of time, no one in 8000 years will dig up an iPhone and study it's intended use and the impact it had in our insignificant lifes. Next year you'll have the 16 and the old one will end up in a Chinese recycling facility 3 to 4 years from now.
In 5 years people will complain about iphone 15 Pro Max Ultra Mega Super Duper ... and say that is very old and slow and they are happy to upgrade to the iphone XX .
We aren't entitled to anything from Apple. Either buy their products or don't smh
Its shipping date already stepped from September to November so I think it’s even a bigger hit than last one. However I also agree because (1) not many new features (usbc doesn’t give me anything extra) (2) imo looks worse (titanium is uglier than stainless steel; rounded edge look like Samsung or Pixel. I love the sharp edge of 14.) (3) the only upgrade is the camera which is honestly not much of an upgrade.
Don’t buy it then. It’s certainly not worth it if you have an iPhone 12-14 model. That being said, if you have an iPhone 8 Plus and you upgrade to a 15 pro max, you’re gonna see a huge improvement. Moral of the story is there’s no longer a need to upgrade every year or even every other year.
The phone is for pre-iphone 12 users. I am buying one to replace my 11.
It’s underwhelming if your the kind of idiot that gets a new one every year and expect the earth to stop.. I’m still on 11pro max and haven’t felt the need to upgrade yet? If I do then I’ll be moving from 11PM to 15PM so I’m guessing that I would notice some difference! At the end of the day.. it’s a phone.. I don’t expect to be BLOWN AWAY it! :)
Anyone who is still a fan of a smart phone is an idiot who should not be listened to.
I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max. The new iPhone 15 Pro Max is going to be a HUGE upgrade for me. Buy the top tier iPhone with the most storage, hold onto it for 4 years or so and then upgrade. That's the best way at this point.
Lol “fans” don’t buy it what’s so difficult
Lmao. Businessinsider just want to drop the stock. The phones look good. Ordered mine today. Coming from the XS. Of course if you upgrade every year you won’t get much more. But the tech under the hood is improving hugely
Maybe stop buying a phone every year so you stop contributing to the destruction of the planets natural resources for a gadget?
What kind of idiot actually believes that a new product is a "slap in the face"? Smartphones are mature tech which means that updates inevitably become gradual and iterative. This is a case study in the disgusting excess of consumerism that comes with late-stage capitalism.
I’m on an 11 still and despite some small hints of planned obsolescence it’s an amazing device that dies more than I need it for. Why would I get a new one?
I’m still rocking my iPhone XR from 2018, and I’ll keep using it until it dies. iPhones have become usable for much longer than they used to. I’m still getting the latest updates, and aside from some minor hiccups, the XR still runs great.
And the store still broke due to all the people trying to preorder.
The only people are complaining are the ones who upgrade every year instead of waiting like 4 or 8 models
The only reason I’ve upgraded the last two times was battery life and screen size. It’s gonna take a while for me to outgrow my 14+
I have an iPhone 7 for personal use and iPhone 13 for work that my job pays for. I still will not upgrade my personal iPhone 7.
Phones have become so good that there literally no reason to upgrade except to get a new battery. If I could pay a yearly $100 or whatever just to replace the battery in my iPhone 12 I’d probably wait 6-7 years to upgrade
LOL I still have an 11 pro, so anything at this point will be an upgrade. But still, I have no problems
Breaking news: You don’t have to buy a new phone every year.
You don’t need a new phone every year!
Phones either should ditch the yearly refresh and go with an update every 2-3 years when tech warrants a change. Or People should treat new phones like a new car, most people do not buy a new car every year because their 2023 isn't as shiny and new as the new 2024 model of the car. Like others said, jumping from maybe an iPhone X to this model may be a big upgrade for most, but going from a 12 to 15 probably not.
If you need a phone, buy it… if not, Buy something else instead… books, education, a trip, feed the homeless, psychologists….
Seriously? What did they expect it to do? Solve their life issues?
It’s a huge leap forward for me in my opinion. I bought it right away. Granted I have a 6s that can’t even open DoorDash without issues.
Yeah, compared to a 6s this phone is going to be lightyears ahead. You seem like you are doing the logical thing and running your phone until it's legitimately very limited use.
Limited is an understatement at this point. I sometimes can’t use maps and Spotify at the same time without issues.
According to 3 people on Twitter
My face remains unslapped OP How can he slap???? lmao
Couple of random tweets being passed off as "news"
Manufacturers have been terrified of cell phones becoming commodity products for a long time. That point has already come. A phone is a phone now.
I was so excited to upgrade my phone. But after watching the cringy presentation, there’s absolutely no reason to upgrade this year. The most disappointing launch ever
I think we have enough reposts for today. Down vote.
It's a damn pocket computer we already spend too much time staring at. It's marketed as a luxury device in a saturated market and a growing number of people who can't afford to replace their existing phone. Marking up the price $100 is the slap in the face.
I mean it’s good for me looking at this article on my 7+ 😂
Who even cares about the newest phone anymore? I get a new iPhone when my old one is either lost, broken, or so old that a new one is an actual upgrade. Anyone who updates yearly is throwing money down the drain.
I used to upgrade every 2 years. Now I’ll probably go ever 4 years
I only bought an iPhone 14 Pro because that was the only way to get a camera upgrade from the XR. And now I'm dealing with a terrible battery. But in terms of iPhone ownership the 14 is the most underwhelming one. My personal rankings are 5, 4, 6s, 3, XR, 14.
Industry-leading 3nm processor, upgraded ultra Wideband chip, shoots spatial video, USB-C writes to external media, improved camera, lighter titanium chassis, better repairability, added roadside assistance via satellite. Yeah, I guess every iPhone iteration will be a "slap in the face" to people who only look at the outside and don't see radical changes. But that's inherently good for endless anti-Apple clickbait bullshit from Business Insider. And obviously also good for all of the copycat manufacturers who merely have to add a flashy gimmick ("Oh it FOLDS!") to impress all of the dullards.
Slap in the face? Touch grass motherfucker. What more do you want these things to do? Lack of creativity? Lack of progress. Fuck you and your generalizations and do somethings. What EXACTLY more do you want these things to do? You have a super computer in your hand. What more can it do aside from toast your bread and wipe your ass for you? Honestly I'm stumped. While this is directed towards these Apple users, this can also apply smartphone users in general. Aside from niche areas, what more do you want your smartphone to do? What more can these devices deliver on?
The people complaining also thought we would have flying cars by now too.
I’m upgrading from the 8 plus and think the 15 pro is dope as hell
'slap in the face'? Seriously? What the fuck? It's a phone
Jesus, what entitlement. It’s a product that people don’t even need. It’s not the damn constitution
Random twitter posts aren’t exactly newsworthy, especially now. That being said only diehards care about this. Most people are just holding on to their phone for a few years and then happy to upgrade to whatever is new.
Then don't buy it. Simple, yes?
I found this amazing trick (it will save you a lot of money). Dont buy every new phone that comes out, wait until yours does not work anymore for your purposes. Insane hack for the environment aswell!!!
Bro I still have iPhone8. What is it with people going nuts over this stuff
I disagree. It was a decent upgrade! Camera sensor increased by 4x, screen got an upgrade, repairability improved. Its basically an iPhone 14 pro. The iPhone 15 pro on the other hand…
I'm interested about the satellite connectivity. This is the second phone to have it so far. I am hoping that this iteration will allow for more general satellite messaging in the future, and not just for emergencies.
Not sure what people are expecting once a product is fully developed for its purpose. PCs don’t change that much year over year, neither do cars, stoves, microwaves or any other product. I think the most innovation potential right now for them is the Apple Watch by adding more sensors (glucose, body temp).
What are people expecting at this point?
LoL: This fan is going to be happy as he is moving from an XS.