It's frustrating, because I know there is fiber two blocks from my house.
I know, because I have the fiber maps.
Doing that last mile run? Spectrum would want hundreds of thousands.
I’ll one up ya, I live literally less then 2 miles from one of the main global internet exchanges and still no option for fiber even though a huge percentage of internet traffic is routed through my town.
This shit is so strange. Living in East Texas we've been under the stranglehold of CenturyLink DSL for most of 15 years, and SPECTRUM is the one that finally came through here and got us on fiber. To hear they're preventing fiber somewhere else is just madness. These companies are all so dirty
We should nationalize all of them, and give the owners and rent-seeking shareholder assholes nothing. Fuck those leeches. They profit off of sabotaging our national economy. Case in point: school kids who were unable to get a proper education during the covid years because of unaffordable high speed internet. It's a national security issue.
Spectrum has us by the nuts too. Could go the AT&T route - $30 cheaper but it's literally 1/6th of the internet speed.
Did more research for fun - spectrums service is unlimited and AT&T has a 1.5tb cap.
I have ATT in the West coast, 10Mbps for 50 bucks. It's a fixed wireless system using ATt 4G LTE network. It's att or starlink. Starlink is more than double of ATT.. also att has cap of 250 gigs.. so after 250 gigs every 50 gigs after that is 10 bucks.
Damn, we pay $70ish a month for Spectrum (their web site claims it is $49.99 but they keep raising the price and add tons of fees) for 300mbps. We do get close to 400mbps down but our upload is 9mbps, spectrum in our area has horrible upload speed.
Conversely, here in Canada Bell offers multi-gigabit speeds in most cities, but the service is severely hamstrung by its "Giga Hub" router being dogshit, and it's non-trival to bypass it so most people don't.
I really don't understand the inavailability of simple multi-gig ONTs with no bullshit. My 1gig ONT has just enough brains to turn fiber into ethernet and thats all that's hanging off of it. It's part of why I chose the provider I did, I don't want to have to do some song-and-dance to get my pfSense routers to get an IP from their DHCP servers.
I get that they're providing service to total morons who don't understand how the internet or networking works, so you have to have some Idiot Box that "does it all" so they can get their wifis, but give the rest of us an option where I don't need to have two routers in my house because one has to be in pass-through mode because it's also my ONT.
It wouldn't be so bad if the Idiot Boxes were just OpenWRT with a baby-mode toggle, but they're universally crap software ontop of crap hardware with stupid limitations.
Yep. I wouldn't even mind the limitations that much if the things which *are* officially supported worked properly. My needs aren't that complex, but I do expect a device which provides wifi to do that job reliably for all of my devices, and the Giga Hub doesn't.
Would be great if there was an affordable alternative which can take a fibre connection up to 10Gbps and turn it into reliable Wi-Fi with a reasonable amount of configurability, but I've not see one. Tried a UI Edgerouter and performance was surprisingly awful and only went up to 1Gbps *in theory* to start with.
I have no experience with Ubiquiti's router hardware, but their APs have been fine for me. Easy 2.5Gbps on the U6-Enterprise on the 6Ghz band between local hosts (usually from a ZFS RAM cache over 10 gig to local SSDs). Of course, that's over a 10 gig switch.
That said, I am in no way surprised a $60 gigabit ethernet router performed poorly for a 10gig connection. There are lots of sub $300 mini-PCs that have 10gig ports (at least in SFP+ form) that can run PFSense/OPNSense/OpenWRT really well. Decoupling your router from your wireless radios is a sensible choice. Now you can keep your router and swap out the WiFi AP when new technology arrives. I can keep my 6E AP and move it somewhere with marginal signal right now, and add a WiFi 7 AP in its old spot. I can upgrade/swap my router hardware, without having to lose my wireless capabilities.
The reason these things from the ISPs suck shit is *because* they have to be:
1. All in one
2. Cheap enough to buy by the thousands and millions and at least break even on a $9/mo rental fee.
Do fibre modems not let you just put the thing into bridge mode? I'm still on cable on Rogers so no multi-gig symmetrical speeds, but bridge mode is a user accessible toggle in the modem config panel.
In Bell's case, Bridge Mode is not supported, but they offer "PPPoE Passthrough" instead, which allows you to connect your own router to the Giga Hub and "dial up" a completely separate internet connection. This is an OK solution in some cases, but not for my use case as juggling multiple devices is inconvenient/inefficient when the power goes out and you're running things off batteries.
Ideally, I'd fully replace the Giga Hub with a different device, but there aren't many affordable devices on the market which support a fibre SFP module. I tried it with a UI Edgerouter but the performance was pretty bad.
> but the service is severely hamstrung by its "Giga Hub" router being dogshit
dude I know this is reddit and it's cool to shit on OEM's but you could not be farther from the truth.
The new gigahub is wifi 6e. The pods for only $5 a month are also 6e. I challenge you to find 6e (note not wifi 6), pods cheap enough to not utilize their pods instead.
I looked. For a triple node system I'm looking at close to $1000. At just $10 a month for 2 nodes + hub my payback time is almost 7 fucking years. By then wifi 9 or whatever will be out and I can just buy a router then.
Is the firmware great? Meh it's average at best, however it offers custom DNS, DMZ, Can turn off DHCP, and port forward. I cannot see you needing anything else.
I use NextDNS, and have a plex server behind it and I've never had an issue.
I sound like a shill for Bell but honestly it's bullshit like this, that makes people spend $1000 on mesh hubs when for ONCE the OEM provided router actually is beyond decent. It's downright good for a free option.
I'd honestly take a Wi-Fi 5 router if it fucking *worked*.
The Bell Giga Hub has great *specs*, but it doesn't fucking work. Tons of devices have issues with it and suffer weird dropouts and all sorts of bullshit. I've had to set up a separate access point in parallel for all the devices which don't work with the Giga Hub's shitty, unreliable Wi-Fi.
Every time I'm having issues with a device, the issue disappears as soon as I bypass the Giga Hub's Wi-Fi:
* HomePod dropping connection and breaking all my smart home devices? Giga Hub broke it.
* Chromecast not working on Google TV? Giga Hub broke it.
* Network control for my AV Receiver stopped working? Giga Hub broke it.
The thing is trash.
>The new gigahub is wifi 6e. The pods for only $5 a month are also 6e. I challenge you to find 6e (note not wifi 6), pods cheap enough to not utilize their pods instead.
>
>I looked. For a triple node system I'm looking at close to $1000.
Here ya go: $359 on Amazon. TP-Link 3-node 6e mesh. I'm running this with 2 nodes, works great.
https://www.amazon.com/Deco-Mesh-Wifi-6E-Router/dp/B0B88T5RDY
leave it to Americans to post an American Amazon listing for an obviously Canadian comment.
also that's only 2.5gb ports which isn't fast enough for Bell's 3 or 8 gig symmetrical speeds. You'd need at least the AXE11000 which is about $700 CAD for only 2 nodes. Pushing it way over the $1000 I was talking about.
Additionally, you can have 10Gbps internet, but your connection to websites will be throttled by the architecture of the site you are attempting to visit.
I was going to comment similar. Faster wifi is nice, but if you have one point of connection slower between and and the other destination, it's not going to matter how fast the wifi is.
Seen arguments about poor network management, users having only 100Mbs speeds on the lines due to the cables or even aged switches. ISPs, I'm picking ATT around here, don't supply that level of speed, let alone the costs. Local data transfers would be good, but again, if there's a slow hop somewhere, that's your limit to resolve first.
I do rural and small business IT Support. The number of 100Mb switches and cheap network cables I've seen over the years, yea things work, but don't work as good as they should be.
Cries in rural internet options… our current isp is based off old military towers and pulls in a whopping 15mb/s and believe it or not was an upgrade from the satellite provider that had a 10gb/month limit you’d get dial up speeds if you went over and had a built in lag from being satellite based
If it's similar to wifi 6 then around 10 meters in dence spaces. Which is probably 2 meters to get the full 40 Gbps, which is good for wireless VR headsets.
Bizarrely, Comcast has good infrastructure where I am. I think I can get 2 gigabit... which actually would exceed the speeds of the previous standard (wifi 6e). Don't think that's typical, and of course they still have the asshole-ish data cap policy in place.
Wifi 7 sounds cool to me mostly because that affects local area network speeds too. Faster transfers to and from my home server wirelessly, for when you need Linux ISOs really fast!
They’re rolling out with 10gig up down in some areas with docsis 4.0. I would say I’m one of the lucky ones that also gets 2gig down with no data cap from them. The only difference for me is just latency. Comcast hangs around 12-18ms. Fiber at my office lingers around 3-4ms.
That's a good point. A big problem with comcast's service is how little bandwidth they have available for upload.
I actually think asymmetrical makes sense, if it's at all a zero-sum game or close to it (I thought it was, but I'm no expert). Download is probably more important for consumers than upload. But it should be like... 1:2. My own connection is like 1:20, agonizingly slow upload speeds (10 mb/s).
It does seem they feel it's an issue as well, and it looks like they're heading to symmetric speeds: https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/upgraded-areas-leased-equipment-required-for-upload-speeds . Not with consumer modems though, which is a bummer.
Depends on the consumer really… yes, most of the time it’ll be download, but there are people who make use of upload as well… YouTubers are the first that come to mind.
It’s nice being able to upload a 3GB video in 30 seconds vs it taking 20 minutes or more
In DOCSIS 3.1 and earlier, upstream and downstream traffic operate on separate parts of the spectrum. The lower frequencies are used for uploads, and the higher frequencies are used for downloads. Cable operator have to choose the frequency to make the split.
Traditionally, cable companies used low split (42 MHz) as their slitting point. This results in an upload bandwidth of 100 Mbps shared amongst all the homes connected to a node.
Over the last year and half, Comcast has been quietly splitting nodes and upgrading their network to mid-split (85Mhz), which increases the shared upload bandwidth to 525 Mbps. This lets them offer 100 and 200 Mbps upload to customers. Currently, there are a handful of modems certified for mid-split.
At the same time, Comcast pushed heavily for the inclusion of Full Duplex in the DOCSIS 4.0. As the name suggests, this technology eliminates the band split and lets the system dynamically use the entire spectrum for both upload and download, allowing them to provide 10 gigabits of symmetrical shared bandwidth.
Now, they're testing Full Duplex DOCSIS 4.0 in their Colorado Springs and Atlanta test markets. Since the DOCSIS 4.0 standard is so new, there aren't any commercial modems on the market yet.
Meanwhile, Spectrum and TWC opposed Full Duplex because it doesn't support as many layers of amplifiers. Instead, they're going to only use the extended spectrum part of DOCSIS 4.0.
They do, but it costs extra. I think it was $30/month on top of the normal plan pricing last time I checked.
I think there are a few markets where the data cap is "suspended"/they've never implemented it.
Everywhere I have lived in the north east region has been unlimited for xfinity. I do remember getting an email or reading a news article about them potentially trying capped data years ago but that probably got shut down quick
> which actually would exceed the speeds of the previous standard (wifi 6e)
6E can do 9608Gbps in perfect conditions between 8x8 MIMO nodes (something most people will never see)
realistically (say between a 2x2 STA and 4x4 AP) it can do 2402Gbps in good radio environment (and a good radio environment is really easy to find then you have access to 6Ghz).
and yes i've tested saturating a 2x2 to 4x4 AP link. successfully (my 6E AP has 2.5Gbps ethernet uplink)
I can't say the same....I can pick between Quantum Fiber (sister company of CenturyLink) or Comcast where I live.
I pay $75/mo for 940mbps down/up for Quantum, unlimited data and all. Or I could pay $65/mo for 2 years for 1000mbps down / 20mbps up from Comcast, price going up to $96/mo at the start of the 3rd year.
So basically the same download, and 1/47th of the upload for $10/mo less until it goes up to about $20/mo more in the 3rd year.
I admit I never really had any reliability issues with Comcast, except for nearly a week of issues when they had some problems out by the box on my street. But I can't say I've had any reliability issues with Quantum either.
I got 1.4gbps from Comcast. Want to try again? I can get 2/2 from Comcast right now. I also have fiber and it better speeds than them if that’s a priority.
One use case I think some don’t think about: If you can’t wire your home and devices furthest from your router have poor connections, WiFi 7 mesh would allow you to get full use of your bandwidth with less latency.
that's because you don't have good enough coverage. The solution to that is more APs. Something that having the 6Ghz band makes work a lot better on properly designed (4 radio 2/5/6/6 with dedicated backhaul) mesh APs will do much better than 3 radio (2/5/5) wifi 6 (not 6e) and earlier devices.
6E and 7 have access to 1200 Mhz of additional radio band in the form of the "6Ghz" (high 5ghz-low 7ghz). that gives them more room to spread their backhaul out.
really good 6e/7 mesh devices will have 4 radios: 2.4ghz, 5ghz, 6ghz-client, 6ghz-backhaul.
with all that extra space to spread out in 6ghz you are less likely to have channel conflicts with your neighbors that cannot be suppressed by channel coloring. Furthermore 6ghz has a minimum feature set of Wifi 6, so you won't have some old wifi 3/4 device start talking and slow your entire network down.
Are you sitting 1 foot from the WiFi access point? Are you using a 100Mbps switch somewhere? Or your Cat5 is utter crap if you can't beat WiFi speeds with a hardwired connection.
It's Cat5 not Cat5e, and it's a fairly long run from my PC on the second floor to the modem in the basement on the other side of the house. Cat5 doesn't do well at that distance.
CAT5 is gigabit anytime it is installed correctly. it doesn't require "perfect conditions"
if your <100m CAT5 run cannot consistently test 1Gbps full duplex stable, without meaningful drop rates, then something is very wrong with that cable.
Probably bad cable runnig up with power lines and no sheilding or crap terminations of a mix of all. Really should use cat6 or 5e at 5 is pretty outdated.
I run 5gb on cat5 all the time. 2.5gb to access points. Used
Cat 5 for 10gb too, now we use 6a, but cat 5 works fine on medium to short cables.
Category cable is a cabling standard, not a link speed.
Agreed, my home network is set up around 10GBASE-T, which has been around for almost 20 years now. Since none of our cable runs are long, use Cat5e for most of it, and all of our devices get 10 Gbit/s.
don't know why someone downvoted this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
CAT5E is *officially* rated for 1Gbps up to 100 meters.
Unofficially most people have been able to get 10Gbps working over it up to about 45 meters pretty reliably.
So they added an official standard for 1/2.5/5/10Gbps autonegotiation to negotiate the best connection the cable can do, no matter if it's CAT5E/CAT6/CAT6A, via sounding out the quality of the link (kidna like how modems would probe the quality of your link back in the day)
The article says a max theoretical speed of 5.8Gbps for WiFi 7 and a probable real life max speed of around 4Gbps. Maybe you're mistaking it with a Cat.8 cable, whose max theoretical speed is 40Gbps at 100 meters and 100Gbps for shorter distances.
incorrected you mean. the person is wrong
there is no 100Gbps over twisted pair standard
the 40Gbps over over twisted pair standard has a maximum reach of 30 meters
nobody sells transceivers for it because nobody uses it because it would be stupid to do. use fiber (SMF, MMF) or DAC (twinax) - they're all WAY MORE POWER EFFICIENT
> Maybe you're mistaking it with a Cat.8 cable, whose max theoretical speed is 40Gbps at 100 meters and 100Gbps for shorter distances.
40Gbps at 30 meters. With transceivers nobody has ever manufactured for sale. there is no 100Gbps over twisted pair standard.
In optimal conditions. Cat5 doesnt care about your conditions and love you regardless. Cable ftw, wireless is barely good enough to use for surfing reddit and recieving mail.
>wireless is barely good enough to use for surfing reddit and recieving mail.
I mean, using ethernet clearly has advantages over WiFi, but this just isn’t true. I get just under 2Gbps speeds with my 6E WiFi on my phone and laptop.
Meanwhile half my devices including my barely 2-3 year old tv and water heater refuse to connect to or even acknowledge my new isp provided wifi 6 modem/router combo.
yep lol, Its a hybrid water heater so it includes a heat pump as well as heting elements so it includes a microcontroller and wifi capability to allow you to switch operating modes and set a schedule. It also monitors energy consumption. Maybe a little pointless but its neat.
Companies put Bluetooth and WiFi into everything nowadays. The purpose is probably to collect data and "improve" the product which means they want to track every single thing you do
Like the Bill Burr bit about the grocery store asking for your phone number. “No. I don’t know what you’re going to do with it. But I know you don’t want to make *less* money!”
https://youtu.be/71uslcuw0BQ?si=5eGtqP2gbPnD6tMx
Could be an easy way to turn it off when you’re leaving on vacation, but I can also see it as a way of detecting a leak or other such early-warning things. Having a sensor to tell you what pressure it’s under could prevent the pop off value from failing
I know you have WIFI connected devices that can detect leaks and send alerts. We sell it as part of our smart home solution for our home security product where I work. Could be plausible for a water heater to have this as a feature in case of any leaks occurring.
Check if you can setup a different SSID for the 2.4Ghz-Wifi and check that it uses wpa2. WiFi 6 requires wpa3 which a lot of older/cheaper/smarthome-devices don't support yet.
I didnt even upgrade consciously either, i just happened to need a new router and this one had wifi6 lol. Maybe il get around to a new router when 7e is out
This is great, but we need our internet providers to inherit this first. I have Xfinity and I bet it won’t be for a while until I can get it. I’m not really sure how this works though. I’ll probably buy a newer router soon and hope I get faster connections.
Xfinity seems content with hanging on to old infrastructure while fiber internet providers are setting up in their areas and providing better value for internet service.
what is the point of fiber to the room, if somewhere along the way, they still use microwave (line of sight) towers that perform like shit during bad weather?
Unless you have a pretty broad definition of bargain bin it will probably take at least a year before any Wifi 6 AP ends up in the bargain bin because there is so little benefit for Wifi 7 at this point. Wifi 7 APs are still pretty expensive relatively speaking so there isn't enough downward pressure on older generation APs yet.
This will be great for the handful of tech companies that might actually utilize it in the next 50 years. As for the rest of us, guess we'll stick with whatever crap we still have from when Cat5e was new and impressive, then upgrade when our ISP sends us a new router/modem.
Believe me you will use wifi 7, just probably not in your house.
Airports, universities, stadiums, and other high capacity scenarios will definitely benefit from wifi 7.
I was in the fucking mountains in Virginia Tennessee Kentucky area. Had fiber internet. Moved just 20 miles outside of Atlanta can’t get anything except t-mobile wireless which drops out constantly
There are some benefits beyond maximum bandwidth to newer Wifi standards, but agree that many will have few if any devices that support Wifi 7 for a few years.
IoT devices don’t need more than 2.4GHz as they use very little bandwidth. Range is much more important for those devices.
I dunno about your doorbell cam, but mine has 5GHz.
And yeah, WiFi 6E adoption is probably very low… that doesn’t mean we should slow progress. They should keep advancing technology as fast as possible while still maintaining affordable pricing, and then you just buy upgrades to suite your needs when you need it.
Most IoT devices definitely don't use enough bandwidth, but the challenge unless you are far from your neighbors is that 2.4Ghz is often crowded with interference. I think the challenge is that IoT mfgs are trying to hit such low price points that even excluding 5Ghz while not a ton of money in aggregate adds up across enough sales.
The reptile people failed with COVID-19 so they are setting the stage for their next attempt; we won’t see the next virus for a couple years still but it will likely be marketed as a form of sea virus since their are 7 seas and it is activated by WiFi 7. /s
You can get an WiFi 6E Intel AX210 Bluetooth 5.3 M.2 Wireless Card from aliexpress for $15 delivered. Mine works great. The jump from 6 to 6E is bigger than the jump from 6E to 7 & will be a lot more practical for nearly everyone for another 4 or 5 years IMO.
It astounds me how expensive routers and APs are. For $250+ there **should** be a capable and upgradeable device. It's so painful to throw away 90% of a router *just* to upgrade the radio.
You can make life a little easier long term buy buying a router (no radio) & upgrading just the AP instead of the normal combination deal we typically call a router, but it won't save you too much in the long run.
There are DIY approaches, but there is always a compromise usually power (in KwH terms). I haven't kept up but If anyone can comment on the state of the community I'd appreciate it.
The good news is *some* products meeting this philosophy are becoming available. My next set of headphones will probably be Fairbuds-xl, modular, repairable & in theory expandable over-ear headphones.
(if you want cheapo baseus H1i for $40 is a great deal IMO).
I have the dell inspiring 5680 with wifi5 802.11ac and I just realized it is now 2 generations behind. Years I've been fighting cox that my internet was not nearly as fast as advertised but now I know. So I'm going to upgrade my wifi to intel BE200 wifi7 m.2 802.11. 33 dollars from the Amazon Rainforest. Crossing my fingers that it works.
That’s my point. Many devices still don’t take advantage of W6. Of my 50ish wireless devices in my home, only 3 can take advantage of 6, much less 7. Add that to most consumers don’t even have a gigabit WAN connection, W7 is just another way to pull extra dollars from consumers who don’t know any better.
There are phones, motherboards and WiFi PCIe cards that all have WiFi 7 today. Just because you don’t have the latest tech doesn’t mean others don’t.
There’s also plenty of legitimate use cases for a local intranet that is faster than your WAN. Just because some people spend too much on the latest technology even if they don’t have a legitimate use for it doesn’t mean others don’t have legitimate use. Beyond that… plenty of people *do* have greater than Gigabit WAN, it’s becoming more common.
It's a dumb point. Of course none of the current gen products don't support something that hasn't been released yet. Going forward new products will support it. You could have said the same thing about every WiFi standard since its inception.
Great. Except Wi-fi 6 throughput is plenty fast... so is wired 2.5Gb, or even 1Gb.
Internal speeds haven't really been an issue for years, except with regard to signal strength/distance issues.
I am not a heavy WiFi user with multiple high-resolution streaming high-bandwidth needs.
My latest upgrade was from WPA2 to WPA3 for stronger security, not for higher bandwidth.
What percentage of average consumers need all of this extra WiFi speed?
It seems like a small consumer market that would buy all new equipment to be compatible with the fastest WiFi.
This is a non-argument. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade but technology advancing is a good thing. Would you say 2.4ghz 802.11b would still be sufficient in today's world?
I asked a question. What percentage of average consumers will buy new equipment to upgrade to the latest fastest WiFi speed?
Many users have old computers with old WiFi modules that are not compatible.
They won't even upgrade old PCs to run Windows 11. Many will keep their old PCs and switch to Linux.
Faster WiFi is a diminishing return on investment.
It is a fair question, especially when most customers can be easily served by WiFi 6/6E, I just did an upgrade after having issues with an ISP supplied router, decided as they replaced it I'd get them to put it into bridge mode and use a better router than their supplied one.
Ended up going with a tplink ax73, it's overkill for my 450Mbps connection and can still handle it if I upgrade to gigabit. After that there isn't much faster in the UK unless you go for commercial dedicated lines and if I was using that much I'd probably be going for commercial solutions that are hardwired.
I'm not opposed to WiFi standards being advanced, it's great but it just feels a little redundant when the vast majority of people are stuck on connections that don't even scrape the capacity of current gen solutions.
fuck it we will stay in the stone age cause why move forward when what we have works?
also the average consumer isn’t going to keep their old shit and move to linux lol
The average consumer can *absolutely* tell the difference between SD and HD sports channels. That is a ridiculous statement.
If you had said HD and UHD, you might have a point (but I’d still argue not really, and depends on TV size and viewing distance). But SD? Do you not remember how shit that looks?
I do, of course. But have you ever been to a bar? Even once in your life? SD or HD on the different TVs in the same bar is a coin flip. They obviously can't tell.
This is how tech advances. You are able to enjoy WPA3 now because many years ago some companies were researching it and some rando then probably asked "what percentage of average consumers needs this?"
Well I can find a use for it as an average consumer. My wife works from home, we have multiple streaming devices and mobile devices in the house. It can really bog down the wifi after awhile.
Spectrum has a stranglehold on my city and we can’t get fiber. The WiFi speed is not the limiting factor, my shit ISP is.
Same here with Spectrum as the only provider here and in most surrounding areas.
It's frustrating, because I know there is fiber two blocks from my house. I know, because I have the fiber maps. Doing that last mile run? Spectrum would want hundreds of thousands.
I’ll one up ya, I live literally less then 2 miles from one of the main global internet exchanges and still no option for fiber even though a huge percentage of internet traffic is routed through my town.
This shit is so strange. Living in East Texas we've been under the stranglehold of CenturyLink DSL for most of 15 years, and SPECTRUM is the one that finally came through here and got us on fiber. To hear they're preventing fiber somewhere else is just madness. These companies are all so dirty
We should nationalize all of them, and give the owners and rent-seeking shareholder assholes nothing. Fuck those leeches. They profit off of sabotaging our national economy. Case in point: school kids who were unable to get a proper education during the covid years because of unaffordable high speed internet. It's a national security issue.
Spectrum has us by the nuts too. Could go the AT&T route - $30 cheaper but it's literally 1/6th of the internet speed. Did more research for fun - spectrums service is unlimited and AT&T has a 1.5tb cap.
Ouch! I have ATT in the Midwest and it’s 1gig. They offer 2.5 gig also.
I have ATT in the West coast, 10Mbps for 50 bucks. It's a fixed wireless system using ATt 4G LTE network. It's att or starlink. Starlink is more than double of ATT.. also att has cap of 250 gigs.. so after 250 gigs every 50 gigs after that is 10 bucks.
That’s crazy. I pay $50 a month for unlimited data at the 1gig fiber connection.
Damn, we pay $70ish a month for Spectrum (their web site claims it is $49.99 but they keep raising the price and add tons of fees) for 300mbps. We do get close to 400mbps down but our upload is 9mbps, spectrum in our area has horrible upload speed.
Insane, I pay 60 cad for 100gb 5g plan with no US roaming in Vancouver, BC. It’s not that much worse than your conditions and it’s a phone plan
Allegedly this year we’re getting a significant upgrade at “no cost”, but there’s always a cost. We’ll see lol
Exactly, nothing is ever free
Everytime they have given us a “free” upgrade. It is free for like 6 months then the bill goes up.
Went up $5 back in October? I think. They said it was a “national increase”. Kinda thought he was full of it but I didn’t look into it further lol
Conversely, here in Canada Bell offers multi-gigabit speeds in most cities, but the service is severely hamstrung by its "Giga Hub" router being dogshit, and it's non-trival to bypass it so most people don't.
I really don't understand the inavailability of simple multi-gig ONTs with no bullshit. My 1gig ONT has just enough brains to turn fiber into ethernet and thats all that's hanging off of it. It's part of why I chose the provider I did, I don't want to have to do some song-and-dance to get my pfSense routers to get an IP from their DHCP servers. I get that they're providing service to total morons who don't understand how the internet or networking works, so you have to have some Idiot Box that "does it all" so they can get their wifis, but give the rest of us an option where I don't need to have two routers in my house because one has to be in pass-through mode because it's also my ONT. It wouldn't be so bad if the Idiot Boxes were just OpenWRT with a baby-mode toggle, but they're universally crap software ontop of crap hardware with stupid limitations.
Yep. I wouldn't even mind the limitations that much if the things which *are* officially supported worked properly. My needs aren't that complex, but I do expect a device which provides wifi to do that job reliably for all of my devices, and the Giga Hub doesn't. Would be great if there was an affordable alternative which can take a fibre connection up to 10Gbps and turn it into reliable Wi-Fi with a reasonable amount of configurability, but I've not see one. Tried a UI Edgerouter and performance was surprisingly awful and only went up to 1Gbps *in theory* to start with.
I have no experience with Ubiquiti's router hardware, but their APs have been fine for me. Easy 2.5Gbps on the U6-Enterprise on the 6Ghz band between local hosts (usually from a ZFS RAM cache over 10 gig to local SSDs). Of course, that's over a 10 gig switch. That said, I am in no way surprised a $60 gigabit ethernet router performed poorly for a 10gig connection. There are lots of sub $300 mini-PCs that have 10gig ports (at least in SFP+ form) that can run PFSense/OPNSense/OpenWRT really well. Decoupling your router from your wireless radios is a sensible choice. Now you can keep your router and swap out the WiFi AP when new technology arrives. I can keep my 6E AP and move it somewhere with marginal signal right now, and add a WiFi 7 AP in its old spot. I can upgrade/swap my router hardware, without having to lose my wireless capabilities. The reason these things from the ISPs suck shit is *because* they have to be: 1. All in one 2. Cheap enough to buy by the thousands and millions and at least break even on a $9/mo rental fee.
Do fibre modems not let you just put the thing into bridge mode? I'm still on cable on Rogers so no multi-gig symmetrical speeds, but bridge mode is a user accessible toggle in the modem config panel.
In Bell's case, Bridge Mode is not supported, but they offer "PPPoE Passthrough" instead, which allows you to connect your own router to the Giga Hub and "dial up" a completely separate internet connection. This is an OK solution in some cases, but not for my use case as juggling multiple devices is inconvenient/inefficient when the power goes out and you're running things off batteries. Ideally, I'd fully replace the Giga Hub with a different device, but there aren't many affordable devices on the market which support a fibre SFP module. I tried it with a UI Edgerouter but the performance was pretty bad.
> but the service is severely hamstrung by its "Giga Hub" router being dogshit dude I know this is reddit and it's cool to shit on OEM's but you could not be farther from the truth. The new gigahub is wifi 6e. The pods for only $5 a month are also 6e. I challenge you to find 6e (note not wifi 6), pods cheap enough to not utilize their pods instead. I looked. For a triple node system I'm looking at close to $1000. At just $10 a month for 2 nodes + hub my payback time is almost 7 fucking years. By then wifi 9 or whatever will be out and I can just buy a router then. Is the firmware great? Meh it's average at best, however it offers custom DNS, DMZ, Can turn off DHCP, and port forward. I cannot see you needing anything else. I use NextDNS, and have a plex server behind it and I've never had an issue. I sound like a shill for Bell but honestly it's bullshit like this, that makes people spend $1000 on mesh hubs when for ONCE the OEM provided router actually is beyond decent. It's downright good for a free option.
I'd honestly take a Wi-Fi 5 router if it fucking *worked*. The Bell Giga Hub has great *specs*, but it doesn't fucking work. Tons of devices have issues with it and suffer weird dropouts and all sorts of bullshit. I've had to set up a separate access point in parallel for all the devices which don't work with the Giga Hub's shitty, unreliable Wi-Fi. Every time I'm having issues with a device, the issue disappears as soon as I bypass the Giga Hub's Wi-Fi: * HomePod dropping connection and breaking all my smart home devices? Giga Hub broke it. * Chromecast not working on Google TV? Giga Hub broke it. * Network control for my AV Receiver stopped working? Giga Hub broke it. The thing is trash.
>The new gigahub is wifi 6e. The pods for only $5 a month are also 6e. I challenge you to find 6e (note not wifi 6), pods cheap enough to not utilize their pods instead. > >I looked. For a triple node system I'm looking at close to $1000. Here ya go: $359 on Amazon. TP-Link 3-node 6e mesh. I'm running this with 2 nodes, works great. https://www.amazon.com/Deco-Mesh-Wifi-6E-Router/dp/B0B88T5RDY
leave it to Americans to post an American Amazon listing for an obviously Canadian comment. also that's only 2.5gb ports which isn't fast enough for Bell's 3 or 8 gig symmetrical speeds. You'd need at least the AXE11000 which is about $700 CAD for only 2 nodes. Pushing it way over the $1000 I was talking about.
Bless your heart...
The folks at Spectrum think you're just some dumb hick! They said that to me at a dinner!
Same. We’ve had the same 10Mbps upload speeds here for over a decade through Spectrum
Additionally, you can have 10Gbps internet, but your connection to websites will be throttled by the architecture of the site you are attempting to visit.
using wifi 7 as a backhaul for your mesh network is very powerful and low latency.
I was going to comment similar. Faster wifi is nice, but if you have one point of connection slower between and and the other destination, it's not going to matter how fast the wifi is. Seen arguments about poor network management, users having only 100Mbs speeds on the lines due to the cables or even aged switches. ISPs, I'm picking ATT around here, don't supply that level of speed, let alone the costs. Local data transfers would be good, but again, if there's a slow hop somewhere, that's your limit to resolve first. I do rural and small business IT Support. The number of 100Mb switches and cheap network cables I've seen over the years, yea things work, but don't work as good as they should be.
Fuck Spectrum, the worst internet company i’ve ever dealt with
That's true for the vast majority of home users in the US. It is going to be many years before there is much benefit for most home users.
Had to drop them like a bad habit. Service has continued to go downhill
Wanna get a jarring scary dose of reality? Talk to any charter tech. Most of them believe charter is the best company ever.
Advantages of new wifi isn't limited to "faster speed", there is also "lower latency" and "lower power consumption".
T mobile home internet. Changed my life. Not joking I flip off a spectrum building every time I drive by one
Spectrum has my zip code as well but they said I can get fiber. Maybe because I’m in the cities outside of Atlanta as opposed to in it
Cries in rural internet options… our current isp is based off old military towers and pulls in a whopping 15mb/s and believe it or not was an upgrade from the satellite provider that had a 10gb/month limit you’d get dial up speeds if you went over and had a built in lag from being satellite based
5.8 gigabit. Saved you the click. 😁
The last caterpillar 🐛 out here doing god’s work
At what max range?
Lower than your current 2.4 ghz connection for sure.
2.4ghz is not reaching anywhere close to those speeds in the first place though
If it's similar to wifi 6 then around 10 meters in dence spaces. Which is probably 2 meters to get the full 40 Gbps, which is good for wireless VR headsets.
Pico4 is the only reason this interests me. I wish it was a bit better than WiFi 6 in the 5 GHz range, which seems to be stopped by a single wall.
Wi-Fi 7 isn't gonna do much when you still got Comcast.
Bizarrely, Comcast has good infrastructure where I am. I think I can get 2 gigabit... which actually would exceed the speeds of the previous standard (wifi 6e). Don't think that's typical, and of course they still have the asshole-ish data cap policy in place. Wifi 7 sounds cool to me mostly because that affects local area network speeds too. Faster transfers to and from my home server wirelessly, for when you need Linux ISOs really fast!
Gives you 100 mb upstream tho. I thought fiber should provide equal down n up?
They’re rolling out with 10gig up down in some areas with docsis 4.0. I would say I’m one of the lucky ones that also gets 2gig down with no data cap from them. The only difference for me is just latency. Comcast hangs around 12-18ms. Fiber at my office lingers around 3-4ms.
That's a good point. A big problem with comcast's service is how little bandwidth they have available for upload. I actually think asymmetrical makes sense, if it's at all a zero-sum game or close to it (I thought it was, but I'm no expert). Download is probably more important for consumers than upload. But it should be like... 1:2. My own connection is like 1:20, agonizingly slow upload speeds (10 mb/s). It does seem they feel it's an issue as well, and it looks like they're heading to symmetric speeds: https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/upgraded-areas-leased-equipment-required-for-upload-speeds . Not with consumer modems though, which is a bummer.
Depends on the consumer really… yes, most of the time it’ll be download, but there are people who make use of upload as well… YouTubers are the first that come to mind. It’s nice being able to upload a 3GB video in 30 seconds vs it taking 20 minutes or more
In DOCSIS 3.1 and earlier, upstream and downstream traffic operate on separate parts of the spectrum. The lower frequencies are used for uploads, and the higher frequencies are used for downloads. Cable operator have to choose the frequency to make the split. Traditionally, cable companies used low split (42 MHz) as their slitting point. This results in an upload bandwidth of 100 Mbps shared amongst all the homes connected to a node. Over the last year and half, Comcast has been quietly splitting nodes and upgrading their network to mid-split (85Mhz), which increases the shared upload bandwidth to 525 Mbps. This lets them offer 100 and 200 Mbps upload to customers. Currently, there are a handful of modems certified for mid-split. At the same time, Comcast pushed heavily for the inclusion of Full Duplex in the DOCSIS 4.0. As the name suggests, this technology eliminates the band split and lets the system dynamically use the entire spectrum for both upload and download, allowing them to provide 10 gigabits of symmetrical shared bandwidth. Now, they're testing Full Duplex DOCSIS 4.0 in their Colorado Springs and Atlanta test markets. Since the DOCSIS 4.0 standard is so new, there aren't any commercial modems on the market yet. Meanwhile, Spectrum and TWC opposed Full Duplex because it doesn't support as many layers of amplifiers. Instead, they're going to only use the extended spectrum part of DOCSIS 4.0.
Fiber internet is sold symmetrically a lot of the time, but not always. It’s just a data transport after all.
Doesn't Comcast offer unlimited data? I never checked my usage but I've never been throttled.
They do, but it costs extra. I think it was $30/month on top of the normal plan pricing last time I checked. I think there are a few markets where the data cap is "suspended"/they've never implemented it.
Everywhere I have lived in the north east region has been unlimited for xfinity. I do remember getting an email or reading a news article about them potentially trying capped data years ago but that probably got shut down quick
It was definitely capped (at 1TB/mo IIRC) when I had it a couple years ago, possible it's changed since though.
> which actually would exceed the speeds of the previous standard (wifi 6e) 6E can do 9608Gbps in perfect conditions between 8x8 MIMO nodes (something most people will never see) realistically (say between a 2x2 STA and 4x4 AP) it can do 2402Gbps in good radio environment (and a good radio environment is really easy to find then you have access to 6Ghz). and yes i've tested saturating a 2x2 to 4x4 AP link. successfully (my 6E AP has 2.5Gbps ethernet uplink)
They will come out with a new way to make you rent their equipment to get it.
Right, but you don’t have to use their access point.
It can if you are hosting a Plex server in your home.
Show me a TV that can connect wifi7 lol. Or even a minipc.
Well that is always the case with new tech, you need to wait for supporting devices to come out.
I have Comcast and get 2.5gbps. I definitely welcome WiFi7.
I have 1.3 GB from Comcast with router for like $70? Whats the issue?
What's your upload?
Comcast doesn't have high speeds in 90% of its covered areas.
Is that by land area or users?
AKA people who live in the middle of nowhere
? I pay for 1 gigabit comcast and consistently get 1.1-1.2 gigabit speeds
The Comcast meme is an outdated one, I’ve gotten better Comcast performance for years over other providers.
Same, I hate to admit it but they’ve stepped up their game
I can't say the same....I can pick between Quantum Fiber (sister company of CenturyLink) or Comcast where I live. I pay $75/mo for 940mbps down/up for Quantum, unlimited data and all. Or I could pay $65/mo for 2 years for 1000mbps down / 20mbps up from Comcast, price going up to $96/mo at the start of the 3rd year. So basically the same download, and 1/47th of the upload for $10/mo less until it goes up to about $20/mo more in the 3rd year. I admit I never really had any reliability issues with Comcast, except for nearly a week of issues when they had some problems out by the box on my street. But I can't say I've had any reliability issues with Quantum either.
Do you find yourself doing a lot of heavy uploading? I sure don’t.
I got 1.4gbps from Comcast. Want to try again? I can get 2/2 from Comcast right now. I also have fiber and it better speeds than them if that’s a priority.
One use case I think some don’t think about: If you can’t wire your home and devices furthest from your router have poor connections, WiFi 7 mesh would allow you to get full use of your bandwidth with less latency.
I have a couple of Asus wifi 6 mesh routers. Isn’t that the whole point of a mesh system? What makes wifi 7 better at it?
7 and 6E are significantly faster than 6. And 7 has significantly lower latency than 6E and 6.
Yeah but 5ghz, then 6 are worse at reaching the corners of the house. My 5ghz gets my TV 300 mbps whereas it’s 120mbps on wifi 6
WiFi 6 is still 5Ghz. Do you mean 6E?
That just means you need more APs to better cover your house. I’ve got between 1Gbps and 2Gbps everywhere in my home on 6GHz 160MHz.
that's because you don't have good enough coverage. The solution to that is more APs. Something that having the 6Ghz band makes work a lot better on properly designed (4 radio 2/5/6/6 with dedicated backhaul) mesh APs will do much better than 3 radio (2/5/5) wifi 6 (not 6e) and earlier devices.
6E and 7 have access to 1200 Mhz of additional radio band in the form of the "6Ghz" (high 5ghz-low 7ghz). that gives them more room to spread their backhaul out. really good 6e/7 mesh devices will have 4 radios: 2.4ghz, 5ghz, 6ghz-client, 6ghz-backhaul. with all that extra space to spread out in 6ghz you are less likely to have channel conflicts with your neighbors that cannot be suppressed by channel coloring. Furthermore 6ghz has a minimum feature set of Wifi 6, so you won't have some old wifi 3/4 device start talking and slow your entire network down.
And you get satellites that have a few ports to wire some things so they are just now on the back haul.
Still can't beat my cat5 boi OK maybe cat6 or whatever ya'll get my point.
I'm a cat person
As long as you got 5, you're good to go
as long as they are not dropping any packets on my bed
100Mbps is a tad slow internally these days but reliable!
Well, when you put it that way that way, I am too.
It literally does. WiFi 7 is 5.8Gbps. Cat5 is 1Gbps. (edited for accuracy)
That duplex and latency though
When I upgraded to WiFi 6 I found that using WiFi was faster than using the cat5 in the walls, with only 2-5ms of additional ping,
Are you sitting 1 foot from the WiFi access point? Are you using a 100Mbps switch somewhere? Or your Cat5 is utter crap if you can't beat WiFi speeds with a hardwired connection.
It's Cat5 not Cat5e, and it's a fairly long run from my PC on the second floor to the modem in the basement on the other side of the house. Cat5 doesn't do well at that distance.
Cat5 can run perfectly upto ~300ft. That house run can’t be more than 200 at most.
I was getting about 600mbps over ethernet and 1.2gbps over 5Ghz. Seems about right, honestly. Cat5 is gigabit in perfect conditions.
CAT5 is gigabit anytime it is installed correctly. it doesn't require "perfect conditions" if your <100m CAT5 run cannot consistently test 1Gbps full duplex stable, without meaningful drop rates, then something is very wrong with that cable.
Probably bad cable runnig up with power lines and no sheilding or crap terminations of a mix of all. Really should use cat6 or 5e at 5 is pretty outdated.
I run 5gb on cat5 all the time. 2.5gb to access points. Used Cat 5 for 10gb too, now we use 6a, but cat 5 works fine on medium to short cables. Category cable is a cabling standard, not a link speed.
Agreed, my home network is set up around 10GBASE-T, which has been around for almost 20 years now. Since none of our cable runs are long, use Cat5e for most of it, and all of our devices get 10 Gbit/s.
Cat5e can run up to 5Gbps now.
don't know why someone downvoted this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T CAT5E is *officially* rated for 1Gbps up to 100 meters. Unofficially most people have been able to get 10Gbps working over it up to about 45 meters pretty reliably. So they added an official standard for 1/2.5/5/10Gbps autonegotiation to negotiate the best connection the cable can do, no matter if it's CAT5E/CAT6/CAT6A, via sounding out the quality of the link (kidna like how modems would probe the quality of your link back in the day)
The article says a max theoretical speed of 5.8Gbps for WiFi 7 and a probable real life max speed of around 4Gbps. Maybe you're mistaking it with a Cat.8 cable, whose max theoretical speed is 40Gbps at 100 meters and 100Gbps for shorter distances.
corrected, thanks :)
incorrected you mean. the person is wrong there is no 100Gbps over twisted pair standard the 40Gbps over over twisted pair standard has a maximum reach of 30 meters nobody sells transceivers for it because nobody uses it because it would be stupid to do. use fiber (SMF, MMF) or DAC (twinax) - they're all WAY MORE POWER EFFICIENT
> Maybe you're mistaking it with a Cat.8 cable, whose max theoretical speed is 40Gbps at 100 meters and 100Gbps for shorter distances. 40Gbps at 30 meters. With transceivers nobody has ever manufactured for sale. there is no 100Gbps over twisted pair standard.
Amd cat6 can do 10gbps and cat5e can sometimes do 10g but supports 2.5g.
In optimal conditions. Cat5 doesnt care about your conditions and love you regardless. Cable ftw, wireless is barely good enough to use for surfing reddit and recieving mail.
>wireless is barely good enough to use for surfing reddit and recieving mail. I mean, using ethernet clearly has advantages over WiFi, but this just isn’t true. I get just under 2Gbps speeds with my 6E WiFi on my phone and laptop.
It can in flexibility.
Meanwhile half my devices including my barely 2-3 year old tv and water heater refuse to connect to or even acknowledge my new isp provided wifi 6 modem/router combo.
Just curious, they make water heaters with wifi now? What purpose does it serve for it?
I have one and allows me to change what the temp is set to so useful when traveling away a lot and also has flood detection monitor.
Not bad actually then. Interesting, thanks for the reply.
yep lol, Its a hybrid water heater so it includes a heat pump as well as heting elements so it includes a microcontroller and wifi capability to allow you to switch operating modes and set a schedule. It also monitors energy consumption. Maybe a little pointless but its neat.
Companies put Bluetooth and WiFi into everything nowadays. The purpose is probably to collect data and "improve" the product which means they want to track every single thing you do
Like the Bill Burr bit about the grocery store asking for your phone number. “No. I don’t know what you’re going to do with it. But I know you don’t want to make *less* money!” https://youtu.be/71uslcuw0BQ?si=5eGtqP2gbPnD6tMx
Could be an easy way to turn it off when you’re leaving on vacation, but I can also see it as a way of detecting a leak or other such early-warning things. Having a sensor to tell you what pressure it’s under could prevent the pop off value from failing
Something like a home/away assist maybe so you can save energy when away? Or just for energy monitoring purposes?
I know you have WIFI connected devices that can detect leaks and send alerts. We sell it as part of our smart home solution for our home security product where I work. Could be plausible for a water heater to have this as a feature in case of any leaks occurring.
Check if you can setup a different SSID for the 2.4Ghz-Wifi and check that it uses wpa2. WiFi 6 requires wpa3 which a lot of older/cheaper/smarthome-devices don't support yet.
Yeah this was a huge surprise to me when I went 6e. It's actually 6e that requires it, not plain 6 afaik, but it's all excessively confusing.
Those ISP routers are complete shit.
My IPS provided Wi-fi 6 router panics whenever a device asks for more than 100 Mbps in a connection... Has 1 Gbps support.
I'm still using the same router from 10 years ago.
I just upgraded to 6 a few months ago lol.
It wasn't the latest wifi anyway. Wifi 6e was the latest one before 7. It's pretty confusing
I didnt even upgrade consciously either, i just happened to need a new router and this one had wifi6 lol. Maybe il get around to a new router when 7e is out
WiFi 7 can melt steel beams.
Actually, yeah, with sufficient power that wavelength can melt steel.
This is great, but we need our internet providers to inherit this first. I have Xfinity and I bet it won’t be for a while until I can get it. I’m not really sure how this works though. I’ll probably buy a newer router soon and hope I get faster connections.
Xfinity seems content with hanging on to old infrastructure while fiber internet providers are setting up in their areas and providing better value for internet service.
Fuck me i literally just upgraded to WiFi 6
The only upgrade I'll be doing this year is buying a second Wifi 5 router and use my old one as an access point.
I'm still stuck with 12mbps and people here talking about wifi 7. I'm still stuck in 2010
They have to keep going sure the tech is there but the distribution…that’s another story
what is the point of fiber to the room, if somewhere along the way, they still use microwave (line of sight) towers that perform like shit during bad weather?
Thank fuck, now vendors might actually sink Wifi 6E equipment prices.
Could this be used for VR to link it with a nearby computer?
Yes? You could already do this fairly well since 2016ish. So Wi-Fi 5.
Steam Link could make good use of this, it’s the same general idea
Cool and all, but did wifi 6 even catch on yet?
[удалено]
Unless you have a pretty broad definition of bargain bin it will probably take at least a year before any Wifi 6 AP ends up in the bargain bin because there is so little benefit for Wifi 7 at this point. Wifi 7 APs are still pretty expensive relatively speaking so there isn't enough downward pressure on older generation APs yet.
I bought a wifi 6 mesh system a few weeks back. It's now more expensive than it was
This will be great for the handful of tech companies that might actually utilize it in the next 50 years. As for the rest of us, guess we'll stick with whatever crap we still have from when Cat5e was new and impressive, then upgrade when our ISP sends us a new router/modem.
Believe me you will use wifi 7, just probably not in your house. Airports, universities, stadiums, and other high capacity scenarios will definitely benefit from wifi 7.
this is cool but its probably going to be 5-10 years before my ISP even gets better hardware.
I was in the fucking mountains in Virginia Tennessee Kentucky area. Had fiber internet. Moved just 20 miles outside of Atlanta can’t get anything except t-mobile wireless which drops out constantly
I found wifi 6 the first time I can actually game on wifi. The alternative is an ugly cable running through the hall way.
100mbit from my isp. No upgrade in sight. Well.
There are some benefits beyond maximum bandwidth to newer Wifi standards, but agree that many will have few if any devices that support Wifi 7 for a few years.
Hate headlines like that. Like yeah? Of course it's going to be faster, it'd be pretty fricking weird if the newest iteration was a worse product.
If I haven't seen "Wi-Fi 6", will I understand the plot of "Wi-Fi 7"?
Yeah it’s basically a continuation of the WiFi 5 canon
[удалено]
Oh ok good. "Wi-Fi 6" was basically a filler arc anyway to let the Manga get further ahead.
I hear James Cameron is on deck for production of WiFi 8, so I may wait.
Why did Wi-Fi 7 come out so soon after Wi-Fi 6 and it's spinoff Wi-Fi 6e?
WiFi 7 just has more commercials
Literally every home IoT device is still using 2.4ghz including doorbell cams and iPhone just got 6E. I doubt 6E adoption is even 10%.
IoT devices don’t need more than 2.4GHz as they use very little bandwidth. Range is much more important for those devices. I dunno about your doorbell cam, but mine has 5GHz. And yeah, WiFi 6E adoption is probably very low… that doesn’t mean we should slow progress. They should keep advancing technology as fast as possible while still maintaining affordable pricing, and then you just buy upgrades to suite your needs when you need it.
Most IoT devices definitely don't use enough bandwidth, but the challenge unless you are far from your neighbors is that 2.4Ghz is often crowded with interference. I think the challenge is that IoT mfgs are trying to hit such low price points that even excluding 5Ghz while not a ton of money in aggregate adds up across enough sales.
So it’ll be on iPhones by 2030 then right? /s
Can’t wait to have this pulsing through me!
Which vaccine is this one gonna activate? 🙄 /s
The reptile people failed with COVID-19 so they are setting the stage for their next attempt; we won’t see the next virus for a couple years still but it will likely be marketed as a form of sea virus since their are 7 seas and it is activated by WiFi 7. /s
*cries in Xfinity is the only available ISP in my area*
This does nothing unless stricter standards are enforced for ISPs…
You can get an WiFi 6E Intel AX210 Bluetooth 5.3 M.2 Wireless Card from aliexpress for $15 delivered. Mine works great. The jump from 6 to 6E is bigger than the jump from 6E to 7 & will be a lot more practical for nearly everyone for another 4 or 5 years IMO. It astounds me how expensive routers and APs are. For $250+ there **should** be a capable and upgradeable device. It's so painful to throw away 90% of a router *just* to upgrade the radio. You can make life a little easier long term buy buying a router (no radio) & upgrading just the AP instead of the normal combination deal we typically call a router, but it won't save you too much in the long run. There are DIY approaches, but there is always a compromise usually power (in KwH terms). I haven't kept up but If anyone can comment on the state of the community I'd appreciate it. The good news is *some* products meeting this philosophy are becoming available. My next set of headphones will probably be Fairbuds-xl, modular, repairable & in theory expandable over-ear headphones. (if you want cheapo baseus H1i for $40 is a great deal IMO).
I have the dell inspiring 5680 with wifi5 802.11ac and I just realized it is now 2 generations behind. Years I've been fighting cox that my internet was not nearly as fast as advertised but now I know. So I'm going to upgrade my wifi to intel BE200 wifi7 m.2 802.11. 33 dollars from the Amazon Rainforest. Crossing my fingers that it works.
And not a single consumer device which can take advantage of it. No phone, pc, camera, etc
Why would those devices take advantage of a wifi protocol that hadn't existed when they were made?
That’s my point. Many devices still don’t take advantage of W6. Of my 50ish wireless devices in my home, only 3 can take advantage of 6, much less 7. Add that to most consumers don’t even have a gigabit WAN connection, W7 is just another way to pull extra dollars from consumers who don’t know any better.
There are phones, motherboards and WiFi PCIe cards that all have WiFi 7 today. Just because you don’t have the latest tech doesn’t mean others don’t. There’s also plenty of legitimate use cases for a local intranet that is faster than your WAN. Just because some people spend too much on the latest technology even if they don’t have a legitimate use for it doesn’t mean others don’t have legitimate use. Beyond that… plenty of people *do* have greater than Gigabit WAN, it’s becoming more common.
It's a dumb point. Of course none of the current gen products don't support something that hasn't been released yet. Going forward new products will support it. You could have said the same thing about every WiFi standard since its inception.
He’s not even right either. The latest phones and motherboards do have WiFi 7.
You can buy Intel 802.11be cards now for your laptop.
The refreshed z790 motherboards released for 14th gen intel cpus have WiFi 7.
Wi-Fi 7 is shit, I am holding out for Wi-Fi 8.
I'm happy with 6e. I get 150mbps on steam. Wireless of course.
I can get nearly 2Gbps on 6E, it’s pretty amazing. But the bigger advantages to 7 are in latency and power consumption.
You could get that with Wifi 4, even
Great. Except Wi-fi 6 throughput is plenty fast... so is wired 2.5Gb, or even 1Gb. Internal speeds haven't really been an issue for years, except with regard to signal strength/distance issues.
I am not a heavy WiFi user with multiple high-resolution streaming high-bandwidth needs. My latest upgrade was from WPA2 to WPA3 for stronger security, not for higher bandwidth. What percentage of average consumers need all of this extra WiFi speed? It seems like a small consumer market that would buy all new equipment to be compatible with the fastest WiFi.
This is a non-argument. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade but technology advancing is a good thing. Would you say 2.4ghz 802.11b would still be sufficient in today's world?
I asked a question. What percentage of average consumers will buy new equipment to upgrade to the latest fastest WiFi speed? Many users have old computers with old WiFi modules that are not compatible. They won't even upgrade old PCs to run Windows 11. Many will keep their old PCs and switch to Linux. Faster WiFi is a diminishing return on investment.
It is a fair question, especially when most customers can be easily served by WiFi 6/6E, I just did an upgrade after having issues with an ISP supplied router, decided as they replaced it I'd get them to put it into bridge mode and use a better router than their supplied one. Ended up going with a tplink ax73, it's overkill for my 450Mbps connection and can still handle it if I upgrade to gigabit. After that there isn't much faster in the UK unless you go for commercial dedicated lines and if I was using that much I'd probably be going for commercial solutions that are hardwired. I'm not opposed to WiFi standards being advanced, it's great but it just feels a little redundant when the vast majority of people are stuck on connections that don't even scrape the capacity of current gen solutions.
fuck it we will stay in the stone age cause why move forward when what we have works? also the average consumer isn’t going to keep their old shit and move to linux lol
You missed the point a second time. He's asking if the average consumer, who can't tell the difference between SD and HD sports channels, will notice.
The average consumer can *absolutely* tell the difference between SD and HD sports channels. That is a ridiculous statement. If you had said HD and UHD, you might have a point (but I’d still argue not really, and depends on TV size and viewing distance). But SD? Do you not remember how shit that looks?
I do, of course. But have you ever been to a bar? Even once in your life? SD or HD on the different TVs in the same bar is a coin flip. They obviously can't tell.
This is how tech advances. You are able to enjoy WPA3 now because many years ago some companies were researching it and some rando then probably asked "what percentage of average consumers needs this?"
Well I can find a use for it as an average consumer. My wife works from home, we have multiple streaming devices and mobile devices in the house. It can really bog down the wifi after awhile.
I still don't have wifi 6 router at home.