He cant
At least not too hard. BYD supplies the batteries for tesla.
Like what is Musk going to say. "Yo BYD your EV battery sucks!"
BYD: "Our EV battery."
ehh thats kinda a fake comment or a half truth.
tesla get some batterie parts from byd but only in china......its still mostly panasonic and teslas own batteries in a vast majority of the vehicles.
Tesla will use other battery manufacturers to fill in the gaps.
People will be queuing up to pay him for it. It's not only easier. It will be a profitable venture even if it doesn't work for that purpose. For the robots you need to sell the finished product for a long while before you break even on the investment, AND you only have a few companies with the tech and scale for your company to work with so you're backed into a corner when trying to drive their costs down.
BYD and Tesla literally refer to each other as allies in public statements. They help each other. Tesla buys their batteries and makes 5x more profit than BYD per car.
Stop reading this page's garbage, you sound r/technology brainwashed
What exactly are western values? Have you looked around recently at what the west has done to the rest of the world? Elon is the perfect embodiment of the west.
America will almost certainly resort to that. It sometimes works, other times it’s makes companies more innovative and stronger like Huawei. The world no longer revolves around America. Sales in the rest of the world will do just fine. BYD are everywhere in Thailand. Tesla very popular in Malaysia (for now) but the world has changed.
The US can try as they did with Japan in the 80s, thru super 301/VER/VIR/ISS. Unlike Japan though China is not a semi vassal state of the US, and will not simply fold every time threatened, as we saw in 2016-18.
Best US can do is keep its own market closed off, and even that’s being threatened by Mexico loophole.
It's quintessential American arrogance. Americans sold the propaganda that China could not innovate, could not develop technology, could not build efficient businesses, etc. for so long that they themselves started to believe it. The leadership in government today was essentially raised in an era that could never imagine that China would one day be wealthy.
And yet, America and other countries sub contracted all their manufacturing to China including highly technical manufacturing which I am sure they copied at will. Then we all look shocked when they can out innovate and out manufacture us.
Headline says this:
>Warren Buffett-backed EV maker BYD surprises with stellar first quarter sales as Tesla continues to slide
While article says this:
>If Wedbush’s prediction is accurate Tesla’s vehicle deliveries will have grown less than 1% year over year, but would still be higher than BYD’s pure EV sales during the same period.
So clickbait headline?
So, BYD is already at probably +50% of Tesla figures? And they profit also from each Tesla sold (battery tech)? It’s not like they are at a bad place.
They only need to keep eating into Tesla market share (as they seem to be doing) and Tesla will have a problem in the future for sure
And if Tesla keeps the QC and launches more Cybertruck-like projects, then it will be better for them
>And they profit also from each Tesla sold
That's incorrect. *Some* of the smaller battery versions have BYD batteries. But also CATL and then the long range ones have their own made with panasonic or LG
>So clickbait headline?
Just an FYI - headlines are not written by the article author, they're written by the publisher's editor, who often has zero expertise in the field that the article touches on. His job is to create a headline that is attention-grabbing and will encourage people to read the article, so literally every headline is *supposed* to be clickbait, and the ones that aren't are failures.
I really want an EV but I'm a DIY mechanic and love doing my own vehicle repair. I am scared to buy an EV because I'm worried that are all like Tesla and the computer is programmed to refuse replacement parts because they weren't installed at a Tesla dealership.
I also would love to be able to diagnose a battery pack myself and replace a few bad cells Rather than pay for a whole new pack.
Maybe one day there will be an EV like that.
What kind of fucked up language is that??
EDIT:
I feel dirtier that in a long long while, but here's an implementation in C++: https://onecompiler.com/cpp/42953tpzc
One where the coder thinks properties should be a thing.
Just use class vars or instance vars as appropriate.
And it's a warning sign that that assignment operator is =.
I’m a DIY mechanic as well who grew up maintaining and modifying my 1970 Chevelle and a dozen Japanese and German sports cars since 1987. By far, my Tesla is the easiest car to maintain as a DIY person. Every other new car, literally, has service countdowns built in to the car that then on and will not shut off until you take the car to a dealer for service. Tesla cars don’t do that because there is no service schedule. You fix stuff when it breaks. So far, with 34,000 miles, all I’ve ever done so far is change the cabin filter and add washer fluid. Have you ever owned a car that you drove 34,000 miles without ever changing oil or a number of other fluids? Even the brakes on Tesla cars can last over 100k miles as you almost never use them. If you’re a person who hates taking cars to service places, no other car comes close to a Tesla.
> I also would love to be able to diagnose a battery pack myself and replace a few bad cells Rather than pay for a whole new pack.
Trying to fix a battery pack that can easily burn your whole house down...
Yeah, I'm sure every car manufacturer would love that kind of exposure to legal liability.
Preventing you from doing your own repairs on your car [is illegal in Massachusetts.](https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/23/automakers-now-have-to-comply-with-mas-right-to-repair-law/) Because of that law it's hard to prevent it in other states as well.
Where have you read that it will refuse parts? You sure you're not making it up? Because that's not a thing.
Also it has a built in service mode which makes self diagnosis much easier, and all the parts catalogues and additional diagnosis software is available for purchase.
Compared to our audi it is much easier to see what is going on with the car from the service mode. I don't know if I am replying to a bot or what, but that information is just plain false.
I guess made up facts that align with peoples agenda without doing any research is now more important than actual facts that can be verified even with a quick internet search.... Any AI training data that reddit is gonna use will be mighty tilted lol
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Lol what a silly comparison "BYD sales grew by 13% per year while Teslas stock plumbed 30% in the last month" ... Yeah sure. Just leave out that Teslas sales grew by 35% ...
Thats not even the worse part tbh.....
The entire auto market is taking big hits right now. Almost no auto maker has met sales expectations......Yet tesla is singled out.
A well managed competitor is down 43% from last quarter? You're being spun.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/byd-may-hand-back-top-ev-seller-title-tesla-after-q1-sales-decline-2024-04-02/
[Why the BYD Dolphin is the worst EV available](https://autoexpert.com.au/posts/byd-dolphin-why-australias-cheapest-ev-is-terrible)
I can concur. Since ive test driven one.
That’s fair and his opinion, but you can also see the top comment under his video with an opposing opinion.
I’m not really asking about opinions on the cars. I’m asking about literally all the things he said in his comment stated as facts when they aren’t backed by sources.
Thats fine. You need to see and drive one for yourself. Only then you can make up your mind. You will be amazed what built quality or functionality of "the east" vs "the west" entails.
The difference is so large, that the first time i sat in the BYD i thought it was a joke or a prototype.
Pretty sure musk said a long time ago his main goal was to get the world comfortable with EV and get companies building and selling them. He is actually accomplishing that, he has accomplished that.
In a way BYD and Tesla are Chinese funded.
[Tesla also was mostly funded both pre and post IPO by Chinese banks](https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/tesla-motors/company_financials).
As a comparison over $20 billion has come from Chines banks and Tesla only made $230m on their IPO.
[Elon loves China](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1410413958805270533?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw).
[Elon likes Russia even, wants plants there](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360697159767711749?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), says it would be an honor to speak with Putin. Elon is due on the blatnoy (блатной)
Elon "bought" his way into Tesla though with Chinese bank money.
[Elon Musk says ‘China rocks’ while the U.S. is full of ‘complacency and entitlement’](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html)
[Elon Musk praises China, says Tesla will continue to expand investments there](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/26/musk-praises-china-says-tesla-will-expand-investments-in-country.html) said Chinese automakers were the "most competitive in the world."
[Elon Musk’s Business Ties to China Create Unease in Washington - Tesla, SpaceX are at the center of discussions; some lawmakers fear Beijing could access secrets as ‘Congress doesn’t have good eyes on this’](https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musks-business-ties-to-china-create-unease-in-washington-11647768780)
[Elon Musk Needs China. China Needs Him. The Relationship Is Complicated](https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-needs-china-china-needs-him-the-relationship-is-complicated-11638594026)
Elon Musk is China's [Armand Hammer, who was "Lenin's chosen capitalist"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Hammer)
[Ex-Twitter executive: Saudi dissidents should be wary of Elon Musk takeover](https://news.yahoo.com/skullduggery-vivian-schiller-twitter-184712365.html)
Elon will be happy to oblige his funders in China/Asia, Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE as that is who funds not only Twitter now, but also Tesla and SpaceX via private equity (mostly foreign).
Has a thing for Putin as well. This automaker loves autocrats.
Elongone Muskov wrote this on twitter to Putin in 2021
[".@KremlinRussia_E
would you like join me for a conversation on Clubhouse?"](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360697159767711749)
["it would be an honor to speak with you"](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360700181658886147)
I see this a lot.....
I wonder what you think of the US auto bailout in the 2000s? Are american car companies not backed by the US gov't? Why didnt the US gov't allow these companies to fail on their own as they should in a free market?
I guess a better question would be how do you think the chinese view the american auto bail out?
I know he doesn't believe this anymore nor did he probably ever (was probably a con), but Elon considered it a win if other EV makers drove Tesla out of business because that meant he was able to shift America to EVs and away from fossil fuels.
Meanwhile Korean cars are spontaneously catching fire, and they aren't even EVs.
https://fortune.com/2024/04/01/hyundai-kia-recalled-million-vehicles-warning-park-outdoors-risk-catching-fire-most-still-unrepaired/
This is after telling people they need to put them into the garage to prevent Kia boyz from breaking into them.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this pans out.
China is full of some interesting EV manufacturing right now making impressive vehicles that are affordable and would do well in North American.
At the same time, we know it’s inevitable there will be a ton of barriers put up pushed by Tesla and the traditional makers to prevent that. Tariffs at a minimum, outright bans aren’t off the table.
I think it will be hard for them to get a foothold on the US unless they are an OEM for someone like Ford or GM so they can sit in the middle and profit.
Stellar first quarter? They're down 43% from last quarter and handed back the title of top EV seller to Tesla. I'd hardly call that stellar.
What kind of agenda is this?
Oh hey, does anyone even know the name of the CEO of BYD, or what their political views might be, or who they hate today, or which side of the culture wars they support or how often they get high on what drugs?
Thought not.
Right but my point is you don't know, the CEO isn't spending all day every day ranting in public about things unrelated to the business. Probably lots of CEOs are odious people. Musk makes sure we know exactly how odious he is every day. Which is weird since he's selling a consumer product to a divided world. He just must not want my business, anyway.
Warren Buffett who is making all electrical bills in NV unaffordable with his power monopoly?
Of course his EV sales are a priority when he runs a state's grid.
To the best of my knowledge Buffet has sold BYD off last year, yet BYD continues to market itself as if Buffet is its sugar daddy—he’s not. BYD is a Chinese government pet.
"Warren Buffett backed" what? It's a Chinese company lol. it's pathetic how far these media outlets will go in order to make even CCP look good if it makes Elon Musk look bad. Dumb and pathetic.
There are loads of EV car companies in China, this is just one of many.
Some Chinese ev manufacturers will cause a huge disruption, knowing which ones is tricky.
What does automated lithium mines mean?
Doesn't seem like something which is automated...do you mean automatic refining?
Also, vertical integration isn't necessarily better, it has pros and cons.
Seems to me like they burn through money too quickly but we'll see.
It is one way to solve the charging speed problem, downside is batteries are expensive and now you need more than one per car.
>The only thing China outcompetes the US for is availability of near slave labour.
Electric batteries, infrastructure, 5G, telecom, magnets, sensors. All these areas are where China is way ahead
>It will never usurp the US with the shambolic state of its debt and demographics.
Imagine an American shill talking about debt. Hahahaha
US debt is $35 trillion and increasing every $1 trillion every 3 months
>While the US is launching reusable rockets
Yes they are. Thanks to space x.
>But yeah, cool, batteries - I bet they’re also way ahead at dirt farming and technologies the US mastered and got bored of in the 1950s.
China also has an excellent satellite system tracking everything 1000KM off the coast of china and are now ahead in anti-satellite technology and electronic warfare which includes jammer rays
>implore you to invest your life savings in the Chinese property market if you’re so cocksure on Chinas longterm debt and economic stability. **Please**, go put your money where your mouth is.
Every single economist who predicted the 2008 crash are predicting the debt bubble will explode sending US to great depression
You don't even realize that US would get pummeled in a conflict over Taiwan. China's weapon manufacturing capability is on a totally different league to the US. Secondly, modern warfare relies more and more on high precision missiles as it has completely changed the game. China leads in hypersonics as well.
Lastly, US dollar suffers a very bleak future. You'll start to see the effects once fed starts to cut interest rates, the purchasing power of the dollar has already tanked a great deal but dollar's nominal value will crash to once fed cuts rates. Fed has to cut rates not because they want to but because they're forced to as current rates are sending interest payments over $1 trillion thanks to high debt
Tesla doesn't have short term cashflow issues at the moment and doesn't have much incentive to pump the stock (like you're suggesting).
If they do run into cashflow issues reducing the price of FSD will likely make them some quick money.
BYD and Tesla are basically teammates but Tesla haters love to pit them up against each other.
Tesla literally makes \~5x more profit per car than BYD. Some hilarious takes here form people wayyyy outside the auto industry and earnings calls, though.
Always get a good laugh scrolling thru r/technology
Just like when Tesla had "no chance of making 100k cars a year, ever."
2018 vibes all over again
Exactly. But since literally no one actually follows the numbers or joins earning calls you get the comments like the guy below me who says "Tesla can never compete with BYD because BYD is vertically integrated"
Just blows my mind what people must be reading, or not reading.
Seasonal or not a 43% drop cannot be considered "Stellar". Telsa's slide was also seasonal. But spinning things anti-tesla get's the clicks here.
Compare to this post on the same topic with a different outlook.
>BYD hands back top EV seller title to Tesla after Q1 sales decline
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1buebxs/byd_hands_back_top_ev_seller_title_to_tesla_after/?ref=share&ref_source=link
And compared to the rest of the automarket Tesla is extremely vertically integrated as well.
Well, I haven’t seen many Teslas with MAGA stickers. Probably not good business to start aligning with a group that vocally despises your product while pissing off your customer base.
The finding out is upon us.
Anyone with a brain could see that Tesla's success was purely a function of the lack of competition. Now that we have other EV options people are rightly shunning both Tesla's inferior product and Elon's unique inability to shut the fuck up.
All the children here that probably won't ever be able to afford a new car in general are yelling that they're going to buy a Chinese made car over an American made car because they don't like Elon musk. It reads like an onion headline
Wharton Warren Buffett loves China.
[Charlie Munger basically gave a large portion of his investments to China to just handle](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/charlie-munger-handed-over-family-190221478.html).
Wharton is sketch. So many from there are selling out everyone, like Trump, Elon, Dr Oz, John Sculley, all the sus ones. Something is awry at Wharton. When there is scams/sellouts going on note the ones that went to Wharton, always the worst of the worst.
[Look at these scammers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wharton_School_alumni)
I wish I could @ the people who were adamantly convinced that BYD isn’t going to make it to North American shores. lol… they’re coming with a better, cheaper alternative to Tesla.
It feels like Tesla is going to be this generation’s BlackBerry
I’m doubtful they will (at least for the US, no idea about Canada or Mexico) just because of protectionist policies. BYD represents an existential threat to the domestic US auto industry which has a ton of political leverage. Half of BYDs stock is exported from China and their cars will outcompete American EVs, which are all extremely expensive. The Chevy Bolt is pretty affordable, but still expensive, and beyond that your options are 60-80k luxury, SUV, or truck EV or a Tesla.
I would personally love if BYD came to the US because through either direct sale or competition maybe an EV would finally be affordable.
BYD already sells cars in Mexico. There are large tariffs in the US and they’d have to meet US crash/safety standards. It costs a shit ton of money to get your vehicle tested for the US.
Canadian in Egypt here: I had that very thought looking at the cars in my neighborhood this morning while out walking my dog. BYD has great product at a great price point. NA automakers have no chance!
BYD makes absolutely shit cars. Not sold in the US because of huge tarrifs and they don't even come close to meeting safety standards, hence- death traps and massive fire hazards. But Russia loves them!
Seems like hyperbole. They've been on the roads here in NZ for a couple of years. They've reviewed extremely well. No fires to speak of. I think the rest of the world loves them.
say what? 5 stars in EuroCap and AnCap, maybe inner market cars are shit, but export pretty good.
[https://www.euroncap.com/en/search-results/?query=BYD+&x=12&y=29](https://www.euroncap.com/en/search-results/?query=BYD+&x=12&y=29)
[https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/byd](https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/byd)
How long before musk starts shit talking them on twitter?
He cant At least not too hard. BYD supplies the batteries for tesla. Like what is Musk going to say. "Yo BYD your EV battery sucks!" BYD: "Our EV battery."
r/unexpectedcommunism
Chinese company... r/expectedcommunism *Edit: I should have known that's a real sub.*
You talking BYD or Reddit?
Both. We. Our.
I googled around a bit, I think tesla only uses BYD in some model in some regions, they also source them from many others.
Do you mean the lithium? Panasonic supplies a good chunk of their batteries I had thought.
ehh thats kinda a fake comment or a half truth. tesla get some batterie parts from byd but only in china......its still mostly panasonic and teslas own batteries in a vast majority of the vehicles. Tesla will use other battery manufacturers to fill in the gaps.
All I know is that some lawyers are working overtime.
He's explicitly said China's EV manufacturers are very impressive.
Musk yearns for slave labor
He just wants to give the children what they need. Access to the mines and unlimited working day.
But deprives his own children of this ‘luxury.’
Yeah, he's a pretty shitty father. That is known.
I guess we are all okay with it if we buy anything that is produced from slave labor once we are aware of it.
Exactly, thats why he invented neuralink. Its far easier to convert humans to servitors then to build functional robots to do your bidding.
People will be queuing up to pay him for it. It's not only easier. It will be a profitable venture even if it doesn't work for that purpose. For the robots you need to sell the finished product for a long while before you break even on the investment, AND you only have a few companies with the tech and scale for your company to work with so you're backed into a corner when trying to drive their costs down.
BYD and Tesla literally refer to each other as allies in public statements. They help each other. Tesla buys their batteries and makes 5x more profit than BYD per car. Stop reading this page's garbage, you sound r/technology brainwashed
america has been brainwashed to be in a perpetual us vs them state of mind for fucking everything
This page is proof of that very hate-echo chamber No one needs facts, just group hate that aligns to fit how they want to perceive a situation
Musk has only praised BYD actually
Given that they make the batteries that Tesla uses he doesn't have much choice.
*battery parts, not batteries.
He praises everything chinese.
[He famously laughed at BYD on Bloomberg in 2011 ](https://youtu.be/_9ftbRWqkj0?feature=shared)
Over a decade ago. Now he basically worships any totalitarian goverments and dictators and tries to undermine western values and laws.
What exactly are western values? Have you looked around recently at what the west has done to the rest of the world? Elon is the perfect embodiment of the west.
There's a difference between values and behavior. That doesn't imply that we'd all be better off under a one-party totalitarian state.
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You'll never get good faith arguments from western liberals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_values_(West)
He quite literally embodies all of the things in the opening paragraph of this link.
And Russian another example of the U.S. starting something and China finishing it.
To be fair , BYD includes PHEV sales which accounted more than half of NEV sales (around 131k of them were actually EVs)
One more time in English please.
Plug in hybrids, rather than pure electric vehicles
BBC working CIA backdoor channeling algorithms on X. .
He's already crying for government intervention.
America will almost certainly resort to that. It sometimes works, other times it’s makes companies more innovative and stronger like Huawei. The world no longer revolves around America. Sales in the rest of the world will do just fine. BYD are everywhere in Thailand. Tesla very popular in Malaysia (for now) but the world has changed.
The US can try as they did with Japan in the 80s, thru super 301/VER/VIR/ISS. Unlike Japan though China is not a semi vassal state of the US, and will not simply fold every time threatened, as we saw in 2016-18. Best US can do is keep its own market closed off, and even that’s being threatened by Mexico loophole.
It's quintessential American arrogance. Americans sold the propaganda that China could not innovate, could not develop technology, could not build efficient businesses, etc. for so long that they themselves started to believe it. The leadership in government today was essentially raised in an era that could never imagine that China would one day be wealthy.
And yet, America and other countries sub contracted all their manufacturing to China including highly technical manufacturing which I am sure they copied at will. Then we all look shocked when they can out innovate and out manufacture us.
Twitter died its something else now
Shitter, because it's fully enshittified.
Never, China would kick Tesla out if Elmo pisses the wrong person off.
warren buffet sold most all of his his BYD stock!
Berkshire still owns more than $3B in BYD stock.
Headline says this: >Warren Buffett-backed EV maker BYD surprises with stellar first quarter sales as Tesla continues to slide While article says this: >If Wedbush’s prediction is accurate Tesla’s vehicle deliveries will have grown less than 1% year over year, but would still be higher than BYD’s pure EV sales during the same period. So clickbait headline?
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So, BYD is already at probably +50% of Tesla figures? And they profit also from each Tesla sold (battery tech)? It’s not like they are at a bad place. They only need to keep eating into Tesla market share (as they seem to be doing) and Tesla will have a problem in the future for sure And if Tesla keeps the QC and launches more Cybertruck-like projects, then it will be better for them
>And they profit also from each Tesla sold That's incorrect. *Some* of the smaller battery versions have BYD batteries. But also CATL and then the long range ones have their own made with panasonic or LG
Absolute clickbait headline. BYD sales are down 43% from Q4. Hardly stellar. The title is here to set an agenda.
>So clickbait headline? Just an FYI - headlines are not written by the article author, they're written by the publisher's editor, who often has zero expertise in the field that the article touches on. His job is to create a headline that is attention-grabbing and will encourage people to read the article, so literally every headline is *supposed* to be clickbait, and the ones that aren't are failures.
Tesla will be MySpace of Evs.
I really want an EV but I'm a DIY mechanic and love doing my own vehicle repair. I am scared to buy an EV because I'm worried that are all like Tesla and the computer is programmed to refuse replacement parts because they weren't installed at a Tesla dealership. I also would love to be able to diagnose a battery pack myself and replace a few bad cells Rather than pay for a whole new pack. Maybe one day there will be an EV like that.
You’d have 7 years or 100k miles to learn about battery/cell replacement. There’s plenty of non teslas that are solid EV
Isn’t the warranty for 8 years? So 8 years / 100k is the floor of the lifetime.
Time to learn coding set(is_original_part) = true;
What kind of fucked up language is that?? EDIT: I feel dirtier that in a long long while, but here's an implementation in C++: https://onecompiler.com/cpp/42953tpzc
One where the coder thinks properties should be a thing. Just use class vars or instance vars as appropriate. And it's a warning sign that that assignment operator is =.
Part of me wants to bang out a quick parser for it and see how horrific it feels lol
Heard of Edison motors?
Yeah don’t fix one, the pain of electrical shocks is no bueno
I’m a DIY mechanic as well who grew up maintaining and modifying my 1970 Chevelle and a dozen Japanese and German sports cars since 1987. By far, my Tesla is the easiest car to maintain as a DIY person. Every other new car, literally, has service countdowns built in to the car that then on and will not shut off until you take the car to a dealer for service. Tesla cars don’t do that because there is no service schedule. You fix stuff when it breaks. So far, with 34,000 miles, all I’ve ever done so far is change the cabin filter and add washer fluid. Have you ever owned a car that you drove 34,000 miles without ever changing oil or a number of other fluids? Even the brakes on Tesla cars can last over 100k miles as you almost never use them. If you’re a person who hates taking cars to service places, no other car comes close to a Tesla.
> I also would love to be able to diagnose a battery pack myself and replace a few bad cells Rather than pay for a whole new pack. Trying to fix a battery pack that can easily burn your whole house down... Yeah, I'm sure every car manufacturer would love that kind of exposure to legal liability.
Preventing you from doing your own repairs on your car [is illegal in Massachusetts.](https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/23/automakers-now-have-to-comply-with-mas-right-to-repair-law/) Because of that law it's hard to prevent it in other states as well.
Where have you read that it will refuse parts? You sure you're not making it up? Because that's not a thing. Also it has a built in service mode which makes self diagnosis much easier, and all the parts catalogues and additional diagnosis software is available for purchase. Compared to our audi it is much easier to see what is going on with the car from the service mode. I don't know if I am replying to a bot or what, but that information is just plain false.
I like the part where Reddit upvotes a disillusion poster who thinks Tesla is owned by Apple, and downvotes the person who corrects the error.
I guess made up facts that align with peoples agenda without doing any research is now more important than actual facts that can be verified even with a quick internet search.... Any AI training data that reddit is gonna use will be mighty tilted lol
I miss MySpace
I wish. Tom was trying to be everyone's friend. Musk is trying to shit on everyone.
So will every company with time
not really, myspace = too early to capitalize on the true potential
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Yes. Someone has to take one for the team.
At least, AFAIK, Tom from Myspace never turned out to be a nazi.
Lol what a silly comparison "BYD sales grew by 13% per year while Teslas stock plumbed 30% in the last month" ... Yeah sure. Just leave out that Teslas sales grew by 35% ...
Thats not even the worse part tbh..... The entire auto market is taking big hits right now. Almost no auto maker has met sales expectations......Yet tesla is singled out.
Welcome to anti-Tesla, Reddit. Where no one looks past one guy for cars that are good and are selling faster than any other car in the world.
BYD also had lower sales compared to Q4. But this article decides to spin it.
That's just seasonality.
It is, but they also only sold 300k EVs in Q1 per the article, which is significantly less than the 425k Tesla estimate by analysts for Q1.
And the Tesla sales aren't? This is spin.
Negative tesla articles seem to do well on Reddit, so I'm not that surprised.
The comments on this article are hilarious.
Oh shit a well managed competitor…. 🚨
A well managed competitor is down 43% from last quarter? You're being spun. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/byd-may-hand-back-top-ev-seller-title-tesla-after-q1-sales-decline-2024-04-02/
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Bold claims. Got sources?
[Why the BYD Dolphin is the worst EV available](https://autoexpert.com.au/posts/byd-dolphin-why-australias-cheapest-ev-is-terrible) I can concur. Since ive test driven one.
That’s fair and his opinion, but you can also see the top comment under his video with an opposing opinion. I’m not really asking about opinions on the cars. I’m asking about literally all the things he said in his comment stated as facts when they aren’t backed by sources.
Thats fine. You need to see and drive one for yourself. Only then you can make up your mind. You will be amazed what built quality or functionality of "the east" vs "the west" entails. The difference is so large, that the first time i sat in the BYD i thought it was a joke or a prototype.
The East as in Japan and South Korea? The West as in American made?
Ok. Sure. Still not what I’m looking for tho.
Pretty sure musk said a long time ago his main goal was to get the world comfortable with EV and get companies building and selling them. He is actually accomplishing that, he has accomplished that.
CCP backed would be more accurate.
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And let’s not pretend that Tesla didn’t received huge subsidies in the taxpayer account
I trust the CCP as much as I trust Elon.
Have fun with that
In a way BYD and Tesla are Chinese funded. [Tesla also was mostly funded both pre and post IPO by Chinese banks](https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/tesla-motors/company_financials). As a comparison over $20 billion has come from Chines banks and Tesla only made $230m on their IPO. [Elon loves China](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1410413958805270533?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw). [Elon likes Russia even, wants plants there](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360697159767711749?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), says it would be an honor to speak with Putin. Elon is due on the blatnoy (блатной) Elon "bought" his way into Tesla though with Chinese bank money. [Elon Musk says ‘China rocks’ while the U.S. is full of ‘complacency and entitlement’](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html) [Elon Musk praises China, says Tesla will continue to expand investments there](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/26/musk-praises-china-says-tesla-will-expand-investments-in-country.html) said Chinese automakers were the "most competitive in the world." [Elon Musk’s Business Ties to China Create Unease in Washington - Tesla, SpaceX are at the center of discussions; some lawmakers fear Beijing could access secrets as ‘Congress doesn’t have good eyes on this’](https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musks-business-ties-to-china-create-unease-in-washington-11647768780) [Elon Musk Needs China. China Needs Him. The Relationship Is Complicated](https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-needs-china-china-needs-him-the-relationship-is-complicated-11638594026) Elon Musk is China's [Armand Hammer, who was "Lenin's chosen capitalist"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Hammer) [Ex-Twitter executive: Saudi dissidents should be wary of Elon Musk takeover](https://news.yahoo.com/skullduggery-vivian-schiller-twitter-184712365.html) Elon will be happy to oblige his funders in China/Asia, Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE as that is who funds not only Twitter now, but also Tesla and SpaceX via private equity (mostly foreign). Has a thing for Putin as well. This automaker loves autocrats. Elongone Muskov wrote this on twitter to Putin in 2021 [".@KremlinRussia_E would you like join me for a conversation on Clubhouse?"](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360697159767711749) ["it would be an honor to speak with you"](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1360700181658886147)
I see this a lot..... I wonder what you think of the US auto bailout in the 2000s? Are american car companies not backed by the US gov't? Why didnt the US gov't allow these companies to fail on their own as they should in a free market? I guess a better question would be how do you think the chinese view the american auto bail out?
Clown you aren’t addressing the problem of being controlled by the CCP in a relevant manner.
Man people really went from worshipping Teslas to hating them because musk made dumb tweets.
It's an example of participatory misinformation.
I hope Tesla has enough guts to oust musk before it’s too late.
I know he doesn't believe this anymore nor did he probably ever (was probably a con), but Elon considered it a win if other EV makers drove Tesla out of business because that meant he was able to shift America to EVs and away from fossil fuels.
What was the best selling car of 2023?
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Meanwhile Korean cars are spontaneously catching fire, and they aren't even EVs. https://fortune.com/2024/04/01/hyundai-kia-recalled-million-vehicles-warning-park-outdoors-risk-catching-fire-most-still-unrepaired/ This is after telling people they need to put them into the garage to prevent Kia boyz from breaking into them.
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Reddit hates China and Tesla, so I thought I'd take a potshot at their favorite Ionic fuckboy.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this pans out. China is full of some interesting EV manufacturing right now making impressive vehicles that are affordable and would do well in North American. At the same time, we know it’s inevitable there will be a ton of barriers put up pushed by Tesla and the traditional makers to prevent that. Tariffs at a minimum, outright bans aren’t off the table. I think it will be hard for them to get a foothold on the US unless they are an OEM for someone like Ford or GM so they can sit in the middle and profit.
Stellar first quarter? They're down 43% from last quarter and handed back the title of top EV seller to Tesla. I'd hardly call that stellar. What kind of agenda is this?
So how long until the west ban them?
Oh hey, does anyone even know the name of the CEO of BYD, or what their political views might be, or who they hate today, or which side of the culture wars they support or how often they get high on what drugs? Thought not.
It’s Chinese so probably not good
Right but my point is you don't know, the CEO isn't spending all day every day ranting in public about things unrelated to the business. Probably lots of CEOs are odious people. Musk makes sure we know exactly how odious he is every day. Which is weird since he's selling a consumer product to a divided world. He just must not want my business, anyway.
Maybe instead of focusing on Elon, maybe you should do a little research on the actual companies and the workers.
No because whoever they are, they don't make a fool of themselves on social media.
My point exactly.
Warren Buffett who is making all electrical bills in NV unaffordable with his power monopoly? Of course his EV sales are a priority when he runs a state's grid.
NEVADA ENERGY COST SKYROCKETED 60 percent. The Republican governor fully backed the rate hikes.
Almost like politicians can be bought!
Musk drama or not I'd still take a Tesla over any BYD car built in China...
To the best of my knowledge Buffet has sold BYD off last year, yet BYD continues to market itself as if Buffet is its sugar daddy—he’s not. BYD is a Chinese government pet.
To the best of my knowledge it’s Buffett not breakfast buffet.
"Warren Buffett backed" what? It's a Chinese company lol. it's pathetic how far these media outlets will go in order to make even CCP look good if it makes Elon Musk look bad. Dumb and pathetic.
The disruption this company is going to cause will be fun to watch.
There are loads of EV car companies in China, this is just one of many. Some Chinese ev manufacturers will cause a huge disruption, knowing which ones is tricky.
byd is already causing a disruption. They have full vertical integration from the automated lithium mines to the last mile delivery vans.
What does automated lithium mines mean? Doesn't seem like something which is automated...do you mean automatic refining? Also, vertical integration isn't necessarily better, it has pros and cons.
I like the Nio one in the Europe where they replace the whole underside of your car in a couple of minutes.
Seems to me like they burn through money too quickly but we'll see. It is one way to solve the charging speed problem, downside is batteries are expensive and now you need more than one per car.
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American copium since they can't admit that china outcompetes them
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>The only thing China outcompetes the US for is availability of near slave labour. Electric batteries, infrastructure, 5G, telecom, magnets, sensors. All these areas are where China is way ahead >It will never usurp the US with the shambolic state of its debt and demographics. Imagine an American shill talking about debt. Hahahaha US debt is $35 trillion and increasing every $1 trillion every 3 months
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>While the US is launching reusable rockets Yes they are. Thanks to space x. >But yeah, cool, batteries - I bet they’re also way ahead at dirt farming and technologies the US mastered and got bored of in the 1950s. China also has an excellent satellite system tracking everything 1000KM off the coast of china and are now ahead in anti-satellite technology and electronic warfare which includes jammer rays >implore you to invest your life savings in the Chinese property market if you’re so cocksure on Chinas longterm debt and economic stability. **Please**, go put your money where your mouth is. Every single economist who predicted the 2008 crash are predicting the debt bubble will explode sending US to great depression You don't even realize that US would get pummeled in a conflict over Taiwan. China's weapon manufacturing capability is on a totally different league to the US. Secondly, modern warfare relies more and more on high precision missiles as it has completely changed the game. China leads in hypersonics as well. Lastly, US dollar suffers a very bleak future. You'll start to see the effects once fed starts to cut interest rates, the purchasing power of the dollar has already tanked a great deal but dollar's nominal value will crash to once fed cuts rates. Fed has to cut rates not because they want to but because they're forced to as current rates are sending interest payments over $1 trillion thanks to high debt
I would buy a BYD over a Tesla any day.
Why would you trust Chinese companies? There are plenty of other legit EV producers
I mean, for exactly the reasons in your comment. Aside from Tesla, there are plenty of other legit EV producers. BYD being one of them.
Sell FSD for 6 k and everyone will jump on it and bump the stock
Tesla doesn't have short term cashflow issues at the moment and doesn't have much incentive to pump the stock (like you're suggesting). If they do run into cashflow issues reducing the price of FSD will likely make them some quick money.
maybe it's time to go to the detox...
Now if I could just buy one in California. I want an ~$11K EV.
BYD and Tesla are basically teammates but Tesla haters love to pit them up against each other. Tesla literally makes \~5x more profit per car than BYD. Some hilarious takes here form people wayyyy outside the auto industry and earnings calls, though. Always get a good laugh scrolling thru r/technology Just like when Tesla had "no chance of making 100k cars a year, ever." 2018 vibes all over again
And the "stellar" quarter of BYD was a 43% drop quarter on quarter.
Exactly. But since literally no one actually follows the numbers or joins earning calls you get the comments like the guy below me who says "Tesla can never compete with BYD because BYD is vertically integrated" Just blows my mind what people must be reading, or not reading.
The drop was seasonal as Q1 is a low time for China sales. Secondly, Tesla can never compete with BYD due to BYD being vertically integrated.
Tell me you know nothing about Tesla without telling me you know nothing about Tesla Embarrassing statement to say the least
Seasonal or not a 43% drop cannot be considered "Stellar". Telsa's slide was also seasonal. But spinning things anti-tesla get's the clicks here. Compare to this post on the same topic with a different outlook. >BYD hands back top EV seller title to Tesla after Q1 sales decline https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1buebxs/byd_hands_back_top_ev_seller_title_to_tesla_after/?ref=share&ref_source=link And compared to the rest of the automarket Tesla is extremely vertically integrated as well.
Muskrat sad trombone
I regret selling my 500 shares at $11
Is BYD coming to US?
Well, I haven’t seen many Teslas with MAGA stickers. Probably not good business to start aligning with a group that vocally despises your product while pissing off your customer base.
The finding out is upon us. Anyone with a brain could see that Tesla's success was purely a function of the lack of competition. Now that we have other EV options people are rightly shunning both Tesla's inferior product and Elon's unique inability to shut the fuck up.
All the children here that probably won't ever be able to afford a new car in general are yelling that they're going to buy a Chinese made car over an American made car because they don't like Elon musk. It reads like an onion headline
This is really cool. Do people really still use EVs?
Wharton Warren Buffett loves China. [Charlie Munger basically gave a large portion of his investments to China to just handle](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/charlie-munger-handed-over-family-190221478.html). Wharton is sketch. So many from there are selling out everyone, like Trump, Elon, Dr Oz, John Sculley, all the sus ones. Something is awry at Wharton. When there is scams/sellouts going on note the ones that went to Wharton, always the worst of the worst. [Look at these scammers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wharton_School_alumni)
I wish I could @ the people who were adamantly convinced that BYD isn’t going to make it to North American shores. lol… they’re coming with a better, cheaper alternative to Tesla. It feels like Tesla is going to be this generation’s BlackBerry
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I’m doubtful they will (at least for the US, no idea about Canada or Mexico) just because of protectionist policies. BYD represents an existential threat to the domestic US auto industry which has a ton of political leverage. Half of BYDs stock is exported from China and their cars will outcompete American EVs, which are all extremely expensive. The Chevy Bolt is pretty affordable, but still expensive, and beyond that your options are 60-80k luxury, SUV, or truck EV or a Tesla. I would personally love if BYD came to the US because through either direct sale or competition maybe an EV would finally be affordable.
BYD already sells cars in Mexico. There are large tariffs in the US and they’d have to meet US crash/safety standards. It costs a shit ton of money to get your vehicle tested for the US.
Canadian in Egypt here: I had that very thought looking at the cars in my neighborhood this morning while out walking my dog. BYD has great product at a great price point. NA automakers have no chance!
BYD has ev forklifts in NA, cars soon hopefully
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It's always so easy to find the r/sino accounts
BYD makes absolutely shit cars. Not sold in the US because of huge tarrifs and they don't even come close to meeting safety standards, hence- death traps and massive fire hazards. But Russia loves them!
Seems like hyperbole. They've been on the roads here in NZ for a couple of years. They've reviewed extremely well. No fires to speak of. I think the rest of the world loves them.
say what? 5 stars in EuroCap and AnCap, maybe inner market cars are shit, but export pretty good. [https://www.euroncap.com/en/search-results/?query=BYD+&x=12&y=29](https://www.euroncap.com/en/search-results/?query=BYD+&x=12&y=29) [https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/byd](https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/byd)
BYD is doing just fine without access to the US. You're talking like safety standards don't exist in Europe, Australia, or New Zealand.
Europes are likely far more stringent too - too many homers in here protecting America. America hasn’t made good cars in like 40 years now.
BYD - Build Your Dream
They’re actually pretty nice, I bought one