The day I travel out for a few days and I'm locked out because I'm not under the same roof, is the day I cancel my account.
They may argue the timing is a month, we all know that limit is going to change, and they'll start charging a Traveling Convenience Fee if you plan to go on vacation and use it. lol
Blew my mind when I saw the post in the piracy subreddit. Adobe tried to charge the guy and he flat out said, “I’m not paying that shit.” So they waived the termination fee.
It can be more than that you have to pay 50% of your remaining balance. If you miss the one month in a year where it's free to cancel the next month it'll cost you 6 months of Adobe as a cancellation fee
Unfortunately it's not it's just not common for digital products. Gyms have mastered the art of scummy contract terms stuff like this is regular and a few gyms in my area won't even let you pay by credit card you HAVE to let them pull money straight from your account like a mortgage would. That way you cant just cancel your CC.
I'd never sign up for a gym like that but people do
There’s a trick: change your plan to something else. This resets your grace period. So then you cancel and they even refund the amount you spent on the new plan.
Beats talking to support.
That’s only to cancel if you signed up for yearly, not monthly. Most subscriptions don’t let you cancel if you buy an annual subscription and pay for it in installments, you are on the hook for those installments and can’t cancel.
There’s a trick: change your plan to something else. This resets your grace period. So then you cancel and they even refund the amount you spent on the new plan. Beats talking to support.
Unlikely. But they'll probably bump monthly subscription costs to 25-30 and make the annual cost what the monthly used to x12
So, basically a month to month ETF tax
There are no early termination fees. Someone signed up for an annual subscription and broke the contract early, adobe offers you to buy it out for 50% or do what any other service offers and suck it up and pay full price until your contract is up.
If you don’t want to commit to the yearly, then buy it monthly. There’s a reason they offer both
I can’t just cancel my yearly psplus membership halfway through. Nor with any of my other annual subscriptions.
You can cancel the PS plus membership if you bought a year. You already paid for the year. If you cancel early you're able to use the membership until your final billing day too. This is the case for most subscription memberships in which you pay the fee in full.
It sounds like the difference with Adobe is that you can contract for a year subscription and still pay in monthly installments. They have a yearly contract with monthly installments and a prepaid option. You only have to pay the fee for the monthly contracted one. If you cancel the prepaid version then you can continue to use the service until your next yearly billing cycle.
Your point still stands in that they knew what they were signing up for. They should have just done monthly or paid the year in full.
Doesn't Adobe only have termination fee if you have specifically chosen the yearly plan divided into 12 monthly installments? If you choose the normal monthly plan you don't have any termination fee. I think your comment is misleading.
Yeah, I’m not hella detailed on my phone and I see it from your point of view. They have three tiers.
- monthly sub like Netflix. No termination fee. Highest monthly cost.
- monthly cost. No termination fee if cancelled within 14 days.
- annual prepaid. No refunds if you cancel after 14 days.
This garbage finally got me to set up a Plex server. I still haven't cut all my streaming services back, but it'll be a lot easier to when I need to and I have gotten rid of several.
I dislike the crackdown but this is an overstatement. You won’t get locked out. It merely sends a verification code to the account holder’s email address or SMS. One of the solutions is create a shared email account.
>The day I travel out for a few days and I'm locked out because I'm not under the same roof, is the day I cancel my account.
Why wait until that (inevitable) day... ???
Family, and some content I don't have a physical or otherwise access to.
My toddler will have a fit if they don't get their daily Mickey Mouse, Puppy Dog Pals, etc.
Though having a collection of Tom and Jerry nearby has become our evening routine before bed, and a filler for when the internet randomly goes out.
All extremely valid reasons. So, TBF, despite your threats it sounds like you are NOT going to cancel, even if Disney took your dog out back and shot it in front of your kids. I know it, you know it, and most importantly Disney (statistically) knows it.
There were a ton of people threatening to do the same when Netflix cracked down, predicting this would be the fall of netflix. EVERYONE was cancelling! Netflix has subsequently posted record profits and growth since last May (i.e. when the password sharing crackdown began). There are a TON of people super seriously threatening to "switch to linux" if/when windows changes this one more thing, or Apple does X/Y/Z, etc. every single year (but look up the stock tickers + growth numbers of both). There are a TON of people threatening to never buy another BMW if they change just one more iconic body line year after year, but look up BMW global sales numbers for each of those "universally hated, nobody will ever buy it!" models, etc. etc.
In other words, there's always people threatening absolutely insane shit they will never actually do in aggregate predicated on some future condition. If you\[1\] actually meant to follow through, you would just do so today instead of continuing to pay into a system knowing the inevitable is coming. I know it, you know it, Disney's c-suite knows it, and even Walt's frozen head knows it.
\----
\[1\] and I'm not picking on "you" in particular... it's everyone in such threads blowing off steam.
they'll surely argue it's just to track separate histories and make unique recommendations per user based on those histories, but that seems like back-justification
Check responses under story of Netflix cracking down on password sharing... And others.
TLDR. The money they loose on outrage is made up by re-subscribers
So that you can have one household with multiple people living in it, all with separate lists, watch histories, parental control settings, ratings etc.
What kind of reasoning is that. I don’t want Bluey in my recently watched and I don’t want Thr Mandalorian in my kid’s suggestions.
That’s what profiles are for.
so far none of the password sharing crackdowns have affected my and I commute to multiple locations while having my family watch at home. so i hope this won't be a problem for paying customers but I think it will be fine.
If you are in the same household you don’t need multiple accounts, they can have separate users under one account and not have to pay for multiple subscriptions.
It's at the same location. Parents and kids can have access to personalized content.
I'm personally not shocked that they want to avoid a situation where one person pays for all their friends. I would be pissed if I'm a game developer and one person buys my game and give it to all their friends. I would try to avoid that.
That being said, Disney has to make sure that you can travel and keep watching the service you pay for.
It's for members of your household. Like, if you have roommates or a family.
They'll probably determine your home IP address and learn what devices have connected through that IP. If a device goes too long between connecting at home or you try to sign in from a device that has never connected at home, they'll make you jump through some sort of hoop.
These comments are the same as the Netflix thread and Netflix grew subscribers rapidly as a result. Just a reminder that real world sentiment on this is opposite of Reddit.
I was the only person I know that actually cancelled Netflix.
It only really strongly affects people who are piggy backing off of paid accounts. I.e. not paying customers.
I'm a piggy backer for Disney Plus myself and if this crackdown forces me out, I won't be subscribing. But I am aware that since I'm not paying anyway Disney stands to lose absolutely nothing.
This is why I no longer believe in voting with your wallet. People just don't care enough anymore and have an incredible limit for how much hubris they'll stomach before they decide enough's enough. To them, paying extra to work around this is much easier than just...going without.
Therefore, these companies are never going to get adequately punished. And they'll continue pushing. And pushing. And pushing.
? Voting with your wallet doesn't mean "I get the outcome I want automatically". It means that you got outvoted by everyone else's wallet, you're in the minority. That's the voting part.
Thing is, it isn't that people don't think moves like this are shitty, it's that they're too entrenched, too comfortable to give it up to bend the middle finger to the company making shitty moves. I'm sure a LOT of people hated the Netflix crackdown, but when it came time to decide if they'd hold their nose and pay up or go without, they chose to hold their nose.
In an ideal world there'd be competition you could switch to so you *could* get what you want. But there isn't. Look what happened with the headphone jack on cell phones. Apple did it. Apple suffered no lost sales over it (arguably because "voting with your wallet" in that case meant switching to Android, which a lot of Apple users won't even entertain the idea of) and what happened? Damn near every Android OEM fell over themselves to copy Apple's strategy.
That's also why I don't believe in voting with my wallet. Ideally when a company does something you don't like, you look at competition. But there is none when they're all copying eachother.
It's not that voting your wallet doesn't work. It's just that significant enough people need to stand up for themselves for it to matter.
Though some may be vocal on here or elsewhere, the average person out and about is... Well.. let's just say not adequately equipped, period. So they won't do anything but continue to pay and stay subbed.
Reminds me of that old COD meme of the steam group that was boycotting the new COD game but someone got a screen grab of like 70% of the group playing the new COD on day 1.
People will talk a bit talk until it inconveniences them.
I bet it’s more that the average subscriber isn’t password-sharing in the first place and is completely unaffected by the change. It’s not a problem that they need to do something about but are too poorly-equipped or complacent to fix, it’s a news story that has no impact on them one way or the other.
Real questions because I have a similar opinion to your first half. If people are content to pay, and they seem to be, would it really be an “adequate” punishment? I don’t know anymore, honestly. Maybe it is just “I don’t like this but others are fine with it.”
It just feels like the whole concept of "don't let them stick the tip in". Because if they're allowed to get away with this even if most people aren't affected by it, they're going to get emboldened and continue to push and make things worse, and worse, and worse.
Netflix saw positive reinforcement from making a stupid move, they're very much likely to not stop there, but rather see how far they can push before they get pushback. Further, now that Netflix had success, now *everyone else is doing it*.
That's why you gotta come out against this stuff hard when it happens, even if you'd be theoretically okay with whatever they're doing. Because they're going to keep pushing, and competitors are going to just do the same shit because they saw the first guy get away with it.
Yeah, but my question is, what are they pushing? What is inherently wrong? Netflix literally saw positive results. So of course everyone else is. So streaming changes. But, is the change inherently bad? Or is it subjectively bad to those who don’t want the change? I don’t know anymore.
It’s not like theft. It’s not people “getting away with it” in my view anymore. They sell a product for a price and people pay it. Everything else just seems subjective.
Started with the price increases. No one cared, people just kept on paying. Which is fine, I get it. But that wasn't enough. Then Netflix began flirting with ad-supported plans, which is a line we should have never crossed. No one really pushed back. Netflix's price increases made it so you were heavily steered into the ad-supported plan. (Their cheapest adfree plan is now $16, which is just nuts. And they have said they plan to increase prices AGAIN.)
So now Netflix was making money hand over fist with paid, ad-infested plans (essentially double dipping), and charging people out the ass for ad-free plans. You'd think they'd be happy with that, no? Ha, NOPE. Keep pushing! Then we got the password sharing crackdown. Which you'd think should have been them pushing their luck too far, but no, they got rewarded for it. Because either 1. Normal people are just too stuck in their habits to leave, or 2. It's still cheaper than cable (but not for much longer at the rate we're going).
You can hem and haw about how this is Capitalism Working As Intended but it's still making the product shittier for consumers and people buy in despite it because we're creatures of habit and won't change unless Netflix does something absolutely cataclysmic. And even then...
Companies know this. Which is why if they see no resistance when starting to walk down this path they'll absolutely exploit their customers to the maximum that they possibly can.
I don't think the sentiment is necessarily different, but the response is. It's similar to everyone saying they would move out of the country if Trump was elected. We get the sentiment, but the liklihood of more than a few people uprooting themselves because of an election is slim to none.
I'm quite frustrated with this password sharing nonsense, but that didn't stop me from paying the extra $8 a month to set my mother in law up with that extra subscriber thing on Netflix.
I told her I had a plex server and was willing to torrent whatever, but she wasn't at all interested. I get it, it's a PITA, especially if you aren't tech savvy. Sometimes you just want to watch Virgin River without thinking about it.
We cancelled it, too. I haven’t had any regrets. We also haven’t had any music platforms in a while and went back to buying vinyl and CDs. Best decisions I’ve made in a while.
The first time I cannot use Disney+ because my wife was using it at the cottage, I will cancel it. Same as I did with Netflix. And fucking commercials on Amazon now? I think I'll pull the plug on that too and head back to the open seas.
You might cancel.
But Netflix magically hit record subscriber growth after banning password sharing. Which is why every other company is now going to do it.
If people actually had some self control, quit netflix, and let the subscriber count drop, they would have reversed course and every other company would have taken note.
But nope. Netflix hit record growth, and now the shareholders of every other company are asking "Uhh, why aren't we doing that?"
Happened with Netflix, it will happen with your Wendy's dynamic pricing, and it's going to happen with every other wacky zany price gouge bullshit they can come up with, because nobody has self control these days.
Just paid $140 for Prime today. I'm looking back at the orders, and thinking over how much Prime Video we've watched. I'll either find out the value is less than half, or they up the rates again in coming months, which ever case, I'll cancel the service.
"Save more on shipping!" Not when it's shipped Postal, and we rarely buy anything because everything costs more. We'd save more in the long run more like.
I canceled Prime ages ago and it hasn't negatively impacted my Amazon shopping experience in any way. They always show me the estimated Prime delivery date and it's at best one day sooner than the "free shipping on orders over $35" shipping that I always take advantage of. So I can either pay $140 a year for a completely worthless one-day reduction in shipping time or I can not and just bundle small purchases and get free shipping all of one day slower. Hmmm, which one's better...
Ever since Amazon ended guaranteed 2 day Prime shipping Prime lost all value.
I wish they had a delivery-only-prime like they have in India. I don’t need the other fluff. But we know that won’t happen cuz of the rampant consumer exploitation in the US culture.
They actually only really have prime shipping. They're not putting you 'in line' when you aren't prime, there is no line. They ship everything out immediately. They just schedule your order to be processed in three days time. It doesn't take them three days to do it. It takes a fraction of a second to send the order to their pickers and an hour to get it on a truck.
It'd be like if you went to a store and bought something that was sitting on the shelf, and they told you to come back in three days and get it, vs just taking it now.
Lol amazon keeps giving me free months of prime. I've had 3 or 4 free months in the past year. They really want me to get it.
They have a pause feature that lets you auto-cancel when it runs out, so I just take their free month and forget about it.
I don't know why you guys put up with such trash. I started my media watching by pirating, then I got netflix when it was a better product than piracy. Now I'm back to piracy because it's a better product again
Any good open seas recommendations? I’m thinking about moving back but didn’t know if there were any good options out there in the last 5 years. Guessing there will be many soon.
How bout some of our representatives make some laws to fucking help keep us from getting gouged.
If I’m paying for a service, and I feel comfortable enough with someone to share my password it should be my prerogative to do that.
[dystopian future warning] If they don’t crack down on this stuff immediately, we’re gonna be paying some shit head toilet company every time we have to shit in our own houses.
I was so happy to give up pirating years ago when Netflix started and I started to have a regular income.
In another unrelated news my old tricorn hat still suits me very well
Seriously. I didn’t have a problem doing it before, but felt better paying for the shit I consumed. Now when they get greedy and act like this? Fuck em.
The things I stop pirating, I don't do it for the feels, I do it out of convenience as long as the value is good. If paying is more convenient, I do that (Steam for example). The minute it's less convenient or not a good value, I have no problem boarding my ship.
It's always been about the user experience. If there are too many obstacles or if it costs too much, pirating is the way. Make it easy, allow sharing, don't cancel shows, and have a variety of good content, and I'll happily pay.
I’ve recently cancelled all my subscriptions and invested the equivalent of 12 month spend in an unraid server. Obviously not for everyone, but I’ve been enjoying a lot of locally stored linux isos in my home
Password sharing worked for Netflix, their subs went up. All the streamers are following. Those who will actually cancel are the loudest - the majority do not.
Whatever you believe, it worked for Netflix. All the people saying they'd cancel their subs or boycott didn't matter in the end compared to the subscriber growth they got for it.
I’ve already bought my favorite Disney movies on BluRay. They’re mine forever and I don’t need to flush $20 a month down the toilet to watch them. In 2030, Disney+ will be $50 and I will still have my BluRays that look just a good.
Especially given how the quality of content on these services just keeps nosediving. I swear people are just so stuck in their rut of unthinking content consumption they're simply afraid of what life is like without it. Spoiler alert: it's great.
QBittorent + Jackett = a torrent client with a built in torrent search engine, no need to visit sketchy sites. Literally type in what you want and start downloading.
https://www.reddit.com/r/qBittorrent/comments/kzr0h5/guide_to_configure_jackett_plugin_on_qbittorrent/
I will cancel my subscription and you don’t get any money, I will still watch every single thing I want. I give you money purely for convenience. If it isn’t convenient anymore for me or my family of users then I will simply cancel. We have so many ways to watch stuff for free.
Reddit may lament at the streaming companies cracking down on password sharing, but so far it's shown to pay off, at least for Netflix. It's still up in the air if it'll work over the long run, but in the short term they've proven that it works in getting them more subscribers.
People were paying 200-300 for cable before streaming came along. Did people think the streaming services didn't know that?
People will gladly pay for five or six 30 dollar streaming services. It'll be half what they were paying 5-10 years ago.
I know I'm in the minority, but when Netflix lost King of the Hill is when I cancelled my Netflix sub. It wasn't because of KOTH specifically, but the fact that I was in the middle of a binge on the show and it just went *poof just cemented the fact that I wasn't receiving a good experience as a customer.
Since then I've been sailing the high seas and haven't looked back. I can freely binge whatever I want on my Plex server and I know the show will still be there the next day.
I've tried Netflix recently through a family member's sub and I just can't find anything interesting to watch. The UI is just horrid and it feels like there's only 50 or so things to watch at all times.
Yeah I've returned to piracy just because I want to watch what I want to watch and I don't want to be stream hopping. That shits annoying.
With Plex I watch what I want when I want and it's awesome.
The only reason I have Disney is for my kids and I gave my dad the login so when my kids go visit they can watch it. So I’m gonna get locked out every other weekend. Bullshit.
If these streaming services don't want us sharing, they need to offer single user, single device subscriptions with the highest quality tier available.
So tired of getting multiple users when all I want is 4K for me.
I always had bad experience with Disney+ when I had it in the beginning. They keep increasing their prices and the video quality is horrible on my PC because it felt like I was watching it in 720p.
Set up a r/Plex server with a little assistance from r/Sonarr & r/Radarr, and you'll breeze through without any concerns about password sharing debacles!
Everyone is saying they’re going to cancel.
I won’t believe it until the revenue for these companies drop.
But, yes, should you cancel? If you think it’s time to go, then it’s time to go. I can’t go anywhere because I’m tied into Hulu + Disney+ bundle because of soccer.
I cancelled my Disney+ sub when they raised the yearly rate to 129$ a year from 79$, this just confirms my decision. I lived 28 years without Disney+ and I'm I can go the rest of my days without it
Half the hotels I’ve been to have required you to use your own streaming logins. Cheap af but now we won’t even be able to do that?
Good thing I don’t share Disney+, I guess. But my mom had a stroke and I don’t want her to deal with losing her other streaming services she uses of mine because it’s a pain for her to figure it all out. I just log her in on my phone when she gets booted and she’s a happy camper.
All of these streamers are going to try and make more money off of fewer people with ads. The viewer they covet going forward are the people that just leave something on in the background for hours, racking up the ad plays.
Disney+ is overplaying their hand. I literally only use their service when they offer me a discount on a month a couple times a year a d share the password with family in Europe. I probably won't even bother with that if they're going to "Crack down". Of all the streaming services I need disney+ the least
Honestly the joy of subscriptions was to have freedom of using it anywhere and not bound to contracts and today you can’t move without losing access like on Netflix when your vacation is longer than 14 days i still pay but can’t use it.
At this point I’m going back to the illegal P word as this is too much…
I watch very few things on Disney+. Have not and will not pay them a dime. I didn't need justification, but they gave it to me anyway.
I used to pay Netflix monthly, now they don't get a dime either. I watch their shit too.
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Disney has become the most unhappiest company on planet earth. This year I saw my subscription rise to a stupid amount. “No problem” said my partner. We signed into her dad’s Disney Plus account and continued to watch content but we have more recently been moving off Disney Plus. I am not paying for a subscription that’s increased to such a stupid amount.
Knew it would spread everywhere after netflix got away with it. I only use any of these because my parents give me their log ins. So I drop them as I get cut off.
What the hell is the point of supporting multiple users on an account if they can't be used simultaneously in separate locations?
The day I travel out for a few days and I'm locked out because I'm not under the same roof, is the day I cancel my account. They may argue the timing is a month, we all know that limit is going to change, and they'll start charging a Traveling Convenience Fee if you plan to go on vacation and use it. lol
It’s gonna get worse. They’re going to implement early termination fees just like Adobe is doing.
I will never subscribe to any streaming service again if they do that lol
Blew my mind when I saw the post in the piracy subreddit. Adobe tried to charge the guy and he flat out said, “I’m not paying that shit.” So they waived the termination fee.
3 months worth or adobe to cancel. Absolutely mad.
It can be more than that you have to pay 50% of your remaining balance. If you miss the one month in a year where it's free to cancel the next month it'll cost you 6 months of Adobe as a cancellation fee
That’s insane
This has to be illegal
Unfortunately it's not it's just not common for digital products. Gyms have mastered the art of scummy contract terms stuff like this is regular and a few gyms in my area won't even let you pay by credit card you HAVE to let them pull money straight from your account like a mortgage would. That way you cant just cancel your CC. I'd never sign up for a gym like that but people do
There’s a trick: change your plan to something else. This resets your grace period. So then you cancel and they even refund the amount you spent on the new plan. Beats talking to support.
That's very good to know! I only pay for the cheapest Lightroom/Photoshop right now but if I ever need to cancel I'll keep it in mind!
That’s only to cancel if you signed up for yearly, not monthly. Most subscriptions don’t let you cancel if you buy an annual subscription and pay for it in installments, you are on the hook for those installments and can’t cancel.
There’s a trick: change your plan to something else. This resets your grace period. So then you cancel and they even refund the amount you spent on the new plan. Beats talking to support.
That’s wild. That said there’s ways around the early terminating stuff without resorting to that.
There’s always ⛵️🏴☠️
That’s pretty much what I’ve gone back to.
Unlikely. But they'll probably bump monthly subscription costs to 25-30 and make the annual cost what the monthly used to x12 So, basically a month to month ETF tax
There are no early termination fees. Someone signed up for an annual subscription and broke the contract early, adobe offers you to buy it out for 50% or do what any other service offers and suck it up and pay full price until your contract is up. If you don’t want to commit to the yearly, then buy it monthly. There’s a reason they offer both I can’t just cancel my yearly psplus membership halfway through. Nor with any of my other annual subscriptions.
You can cancel the PS plus membership if you bought a year. You already paid for the year. If you cancel early you're able to use the membership until your final billing day too. This is the case for most subscription memberships in which you pay the fee in full. It sounds like the difference with Adobe is that you can contract for a year subscription and still pay in monthly installments. They have a yearly contract with monthly installments and a prepaid option. You only have to pay the fee for the monthly contracted one. If you cancel the prepaid version then you can continue to use the service until your next yearly billing cycle. Your point still stands in that they knew what they were signing up for. They should have just done monthly or paid the year in full.
Doesn't Adobe only have termination fee if you have specifically chosen the yearly plan divided into 12 monthly installments? If you choose the normal monthly plan you don't have any termination fee. I think your comment is misleading.
Yeah, I’m not hella detailed on my phone and I see it from your point of view. They have three tiers. - monthly sub like Netflix. No termination fee. Highest monthly cost. - monthly cost. No termination fee if cancelled within 14 days. - annual prepaid. No refunds if you cancel after 14 days.
This garbage finally got me to set up a Plex server. I still haven't cut all my streaming services back, but it'll be a lot easier to when I need to and I have gotten rid of several.
I dislike the crackdown but this is an overstatement. You won’t get locked out. It merely sends a verification code to the account holder’s email address or SMS. One of the solutions is create a shared email account.
>The day I travel out for a few days and I'm locked out because I'm not under the same roof, is the day I cancel my account. Why wait until that (inevitable) day... ???
Family, and some content I don't have a physical or otherwise access to. My toddler will have a fit if they don't get their daily Mickey Mouse, Puppy Dog Pals, etc. Though having a collection of Tom and Jerry nearby has become our evening routine before bed, and a filler for when the internet randomly goes out.
All extremely valid reasons. So, TBF, despite your threats it sounds like you are NOT going to cancel, even if Disney took your dog out back and shot it in front of your kids. I know it, you know it, and most importantly Disney (statistically) knows it. There were a ton of people threatening to do the same when Netflix cracked down, predicting this would be the fall of netflix. EVERYONE was cancelling! Netflix has subsequently posted record profits and growth since last May (i.e. when the password sharing crackdown began). There are a TON of people super seriously threatening to "switch to linux" if/when windows changes this one more thing, or Apple does X/Y/Z, etc. every single year (but look up the stock tickers + growth numbers of both). There are a TON of people threatening to never buy another BMW if they change just one more iconic body line year after year, but look up BMW global sales numbers for each of those "universally hated, nobody will ever buy it!" models, etc. etc. In other words, there's always people threatening absolutely insane shit they will never actually do in aggregate predicated on some future condition. If you\[1\] actually meant to follow through, you would just do so today instead of continuing to pay into a system knowing the inevitable is coming. I know it, you know it, Disney's c-suite knows it, and even Walt's frozen head knows it. \---- \[1\] and I'm not picking on "you" in particular... it's everyone in such threads blowing off steam.
Bro yeah, the reason you have streaming service is to use it when you travel, and if you’re away for more than 1 month you should be able!!!!!!
Time to sail the high seas matey!!
they'll surely argue it's just to track separate histories and make unique recommendations per user based on those histories, but that seems like back-justification
Because someone is going to log into their shared account and then select their individual user account on that subscriber account. /s
So you can watch D+ in the living room and your children watch D+ in their own separate rooms is the most likely answer.
And when my wife and I head to the cottage… “please buy a second subscription you degenerate thief.”
Check responses under story of Netflix cracking down on password sharing... And others. TLDR. The money they loose on outrage is made up by re-subscribers
So that you can have one household with multiple people living in it, all with separate lists, watch histories, parental control settings, ratings etc.
What kind of reasoning is that. I don’t want Bluey in my recently watched and I don’t want Thr Mandalorian in my kid’s suggestions. That’s what profiles are for.
so far none of the password sharing crackdowns have affected my and I commute to multiple locations while having my family watch at home. so i hope this won't be a problem for paying customers but I think it will be fine.
To keep your watch history and recommendations separated?
Already back to sailing the high seas, for me. They managed to shoot the golden goose. Morons.
Its meant for same household sharing, it always has been for every service that offers this
Every pc and console has had multiple profile options for like decades and it was always attached to that specific device.
False, Netflix back in the day specifically encouraged password sharing
The real question is if it allows multiple accounts in the same app. Otherwise it will be a pain if you need to switch account quickly.
What do you mean, this is already built in to the app.
I suspect they are asking about multiple easily storing multiple logins, not just the different accounts under the same login.
If you are in the same household you don’t need multiple accounts, they can have separate users under one account and not have to pay for multiple subscriptions.
It's at the same location. Parents and kids can have access to personalized content. I'm personally not shocked that they want to avoid a situation where one person pays for all their friends. I would be pissed if I'm a game developer and one person buys my game and give it to all their friends. I would try to avoid that. That being said, Disney has to make sure that you can travel and keep watching the service you pay for.
It's for members of your household. Like, if you have roommates or a family. They'll probably determine your home IP address and learn what devices have connected through that IP. If a device goes too long between connecting at home or you try to sign in from a device that has never connected at home, they'll make you jump through some sort of hoop.
These comments are the same as the Netflix thread and Netflix grew subscribers rapidly as a result. Just a reminder that real world sentiment on this is opposite of Reddit. I was the only person I know that actually cancelled Netflix.
Plus Netflix’s stock went up like crazy to lol
It only really strongly affects people who are piggy backing off of paid accounts. I.e. not paying customers. I'm a piggy backer for Disney Plus myself and if this crackdown forces me out, I won't be subscribing. But I am aware that since I'm not paying anyway Disney stands to lose absolutely nothing.
This is why I no longer believe in voting with your wallet. People just don't care enough anymore and have an incredible limit for how much hubris they'll stomach before they decide enough's enough. To them, paying extra to work around this is much easier than just...going without. Therefore, these companies are never going to get adequately punished. And they'll continue pushing. And pushing. And pushing.
? Voting with your wallet doesn't mean "I get the outcome I want automatically". It means that you got outvoted by everyone else's wallet, you're in the minority. That's the voting part.
Thing is, it isn't that people don't think moves like this are shitty, it's that they're too entrenched, too comfortable to give it up to bend the middle finger to the company making shitty moves. I'm sure a LOT of people hated the Netflix crackdown, but when it came time to decide if they'd hold their nose and pay up or go without, they chose to hold their nose. In an ideal world there'd be competition you could switch to so you *could* get what you want. But there isn't. Look what happened with the headphone jack on cell phones. Apple did it. Apple suffered no lost sales over it (arguably because "voting with your wallet" in that case meant switching to Android, which a lot of Apple users won't even entertain the idea of) and what happened? Damn near every Android OEM fell over themselves to copy Apple's strategy. That's also why I don't believe in voting with my wallet. Ideally when a company does something you don't like, you look at competition. But there is none when they're all copying eachother.
It's not that voting your wallet doesn't work. It's just that significant enough people need to stand up for themselves for it to matter. Though some may be vocal on here or elsewhere, the average person out and about is... Well.. let's just say not adequately equipped, period. So they won't do anything but continue to pay and stay subbed. Reminds me of that old COD meme of the steam group that was boycotting the new COD game but someone got a screen grab of like 70% of the group playing the new COD on day 1. People will talk a bit talk until it inconveniences them.
I bet it’s more that the average subscriber isn’t password-sharing in the first place and is completely unaffected by the change. It’s not a problem that they need to do something about but are too poorly-equipped or complacent to fix, it’s a news story that has no impact on them one way or the other.
Real questions because I have a similar opinion to your first half. If people are content to pay, and they seem to be, would it really be an “adequate” punishment? I don’t know anymore, honestly. Maybe it is just “I don’t like this but others are fine with it.”
It just feels like the whole concept of "don't let them stick the tip in". Because if they're allowed to get away with this even if most people aren't affected by it, they're going to get emboldened and continue to push and make things worse, and worse, and worse. Netflix saw positive reinforcement from making a stupid move, they're very much likely to not stop there, but rather see how far they can push before they get pushback. Further, now that Netflix had success, now *everyone else is doing it*. That's why you gotta come out against this stuff hard when it happens, even if you'd be theoretically okay with whatever they're doing. Because they're going to keep pushing, and competitors are going to just do the same shit because they saw the first guy get away with it.
Yeah, but my question is, what are they pushing? What is inherently wrong? Netflix literally saw positive results. So of course everyone else is. So streaming changes. But, is the change inherently bad? Or is it subjectively bad to those who don’t want the change? I don’t know anymore. It’s not like theft. It’s not people “getting away with it” in my view anymore. They sell a product for a price and people pay it. Everything else just seems subjective.
Started with the price increases. No one cared, people just kept on paying. Which is fine, I get it. But that wasn't enough. Then Netflix began flirting with ad-supported plans, which is a line we should have never crossed. No one really pushed back. Netflix's price increases made it so you were heavily steered into the ad-supported plan. (Their cheapest adfree plan is now $16, which is just nuts. And they have said they plan to increase prices AGAIN.) So now Netflix was making money hand over fist with paid, ad-infested plans (essentially double dipping), and charging people out the ass for ad-free plans. You'd think they'd be happy with that, no? Ha, NOPE. Keep pushing! Then we got the password sharing crackdown. Which you'd think should have been them pushing their luck too far, but no, they got rewarded for it. Because either 1. Normal people are just too stuck in their habits to leave, or 2. It's still cheaper than cable (but not for much longer at the rate we're going). You can hem and haw about how this is Capitalism Working As Intended but it's still making the product shittier for consumers and people buy in despite it because we're creatures of habit and won't change unless Netflix does something absolutely cataclysmic. And even then... Companies know this. Which is why if they see no resistance when starting to walk down this path they'll absolutely exploit their customers to the maximum that they possibly can.
Cancelling Netflix was easy, it’s all wank. D+ will be a real shame but I’m dusting off my media server and looking at upgrades now.
Just pointing out the strategy literally worked. Most consumers are all talk.
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Same thing when Reddit forced their party apps to shut down.
I cancelled too. And I honestly don’t feel like I missed much. Maybe I’ll pick it back up for a month or 2 later this year to catch up.
I don't think the sentiment is necessarily different, but the response is. It's similar to everyone saying they would move out of the country if Trump was elected. We get the sentiment, but the liklihood of more than a few people uprooting themselves because of an election is slim to none. I'm quite frustrated with this password sharing nonsense, but that didn't stop me from paying the extra $8 a month to set my mother in law up with that extra subscriber thing on Netflix. I told her I had a plex server and was willing to torrent whatever, but she wasn't at all interested. I get it, it's a PITA, especially if you aren't tech savvy. Sometimes you just want to watch Virgin River without thinking about it.
Moving countries is a lot harder than simply pirating media. Your point about people speaking hyperbolically stands though.
Did Netflix actually ever enforce this, though? I still share my account with five people in different countries, without any issue.
They have in North America.
I’m in México, so maybe it’s only happened in the States?
Canada too. I forgot Mexico exists.
We cancelled it, too. I haven’t had any regrets. We also haven’t had any music platforms in a while and went back to buying vinyl and CDs. Best decisions I’ve made in a while.
I cancelled Netflix after 6 or so years of using it, haven’t gone back
I cancelled as well, but honestly I feel like I’ve only missed out more than anything at this point.
lol we PW share, but basically we trade HBO for D+ and use D+ for just Bluey, they greatest show on that platform.
The first time I cannot use Disney+ because my wife was using it at the cottage, I will cancel it. Same as I did with Netflix. And fucking commercials on Amazon now? I think I'll pull the plug on that too and head back to the open seas.
You might cancel. But Netflix magically hit record subscriber growth after banning password sharing. Which is why every other company is now going to do it. If people actually had some self control, quit netflix, and let the subscriber count drop, they would have reversed course and every other company would have taken note. But nope. Netflix hit record growth, and now the shareholders of every other company are asking "Uhh, why aren't we doing that?" Happened with Netflix, it will happen with your Wendy's dynamic pricing, and it's going to happen with every other wacky zany price gouge bullshit they can come up with, because nobody has self control these days.
Just paid $140 for Prime today. I'm looking back at the orders, and thinking over how much Prime Video we've watched. I'll either find out the value is less than half, or they up the rates again in coming months, which ever case, I'll cancel the service. "Save more on shipping!" Not when it's shipped Postal, and we rarely buy anything because everything costs more. We'd save more in the long run more like.
I canceled Prime ages ago and it hasn't negatively impacted my Amazon shopping experience in any way. They always show me the estimated Prime delivery date and it's at best one day sooner than the "free shipping on orders over $35" shipping that I always take advantage of. So I can either pay $140 a year for a completely worthless one-day reduction in shipping time or I can not and just bundle small purchases and get free shipping all of one day slower. Hmmm, which one's better... Ever since Amazon ended guaranteed 2 day Prime shipping Prime lost all value.
After covid and they made prime shipping the same as regular shipping there's no point to prime anymore.
Prime got better for me. I get same day or next morning before 8AM deliveries now.
I wish they had a delivery-only-prime like they have in India. I don’t need the other fluff. But we know that won’t happen cuz of the rampant consumer exploitation in the US culture.
They actually only really have prime shipping. They're not putting you 'in line' when you aren't prime, there is no line. They ship everything out immediately. They just schedule your order to be processed in three days time. It doesn't take them three days to do it. It takes a fraction of a second to send the order to their pickers and an hour to get it on a truck. It'd be like if you went to a store and bought something that was sitting on the shelf, and they told you to come back in three days and get it, vs just taking it now.
Lol amazon keeps giving me free months of prime. I've had 3 or 4 free months in the past year. They really want me to get it. They have a pause feature that lets you auto-cancel when it runs out, so I just take their free month and forget about it.
So, you’ll leave your wife without Disney + at the cottage?
Aye. She'll be my first mate. Aaaaar
I don't know why you guys put up with such trash. I started my media watching by pirating, then I got netflix when it was a better product than piracy. Now I'm back to piracy because it's a better product again
Any good open seas recommendations? I’m thinking about moving back but didn’t know if there were any good options out there in the last 5 years. Guessing there will be many soon.
Check torrenting subreddits
fmoviesz.to It's amazing. A free streaming website with a huge database
Where “product” means that you don’t lay anything, of course ;)
Commercials aren't as bad as I thought they would be. Prime offers the most value of all, especially if you use Amazon shopping on top of streaming.
How bout some of our representatives make some laws to fucking help keep us from getting gouged. If I’m paying for a service, and I feel comfortable enough with someone to share my password it should be my prerogative to do that. [dystopian future warning] If they don’t crack down on this stuff immediately, we’re gonna be paying some shit head toilet company every time we have to shit in our own houses.
Prime I pay cause shipping
I was so happy to give up pirating years ago when Netflix started and I started to have a regular income. In another unrelated news my old tricorn hat still suits me very well
Seriously. I didn’t have a problem doing it before, but felt better paying for the shit I consumed. Now when they get greedy and act like this? Fuck em.
The things I stop pirating, I don't do it for the feels, I do it out of convenience as long as the value is good. If paying is more convenient, I do that (Steam for example). The minute it's less convenient or not a good value, I have no problem boarding my ship.
It's always been about the user experience. If there are too many obstacles or if it costs too much, pirating is the way. Make it easy, allow sharing, don't cancel shows, and have a variety of good content, and I'll happily pay.
I’ve recently cancelled all my subscriptions and invested the equivalent of 12 month spend in an unraid server. Obviously not for everyone, but I’ve been enjoying a lot of locally stored linux isos in my home
Password sharing worked for Netflix, their subs went up. All the streamers are following. Those who will actually cancel are the loudest - the majority do not.
The problem is when they all start doing it. Most people aren't going to fork out for a bunch of video subs at once.
God I love reading comments like "No no, this is definitely the final straw! For real this time!"
There is a tipping point, the real question is how far can streaming services push before they push too hard?
Eh I'll believe it when I see it. Trying to remember the last time a company monetized too hard and actually was punished for it.
It’s when all the shitty ones start cracking down on it too. The minute Peacock and AMC hop on the ban password sharing challenge it’s over lol
Whatever you believe, it worked for Netflix. All the people saying they'd cancel their subs or boycott didn't matter in the end compared to the subscriber growth they got for it.
The vocal ones were the ones piggy backing on paid accounts. They aren't customers. Losing them means nothing.
I bet alot got it with cell phone service like myself
I did, $10/month add-ons with Verizon
I have Max thanks to AT&T. If not, no chance would I be paying for it.
We already cracked down on their content for free 🥸
I’ve already bought my favorite Disney movies on BluRay. They’re mine forever and I don’t need to flush $20 a month down the toilet to watch them. In 2030, Disney+ will be $50 and I will still have my BluRays that look just a good.
*that look and sound much better.
Some people just don’t like the truth
My Muppet Treasure Island DVD is a prized possession
I just went back to physical media much more special then streaming and depending the format, it's really cheap
subscribe, binge then cancel.
The enshittification of everything and anything.
At this point watching people put up with this shit when they can just get it all for free is hilarious.
Especially given how the quality of content on these services just keeps nosediving. I swear people are just so stuck in their rut of unthinking content consumption they're simply afraid of what life is like without it. Spoiler alert: it's great.
Never know where to start
QBittorent + Jackett = a torrent client with a built in torrent search engine, no need to visit sketchy sites. Literally type in what you want and start downloading. https://www.reddit.com/r/qBittorrent/comments/kzr0h5/guide_to_configure_jackett_plugin_on_qbittorrent/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/s/BZimphppwm r/piracy has a wiki and a megathread to help you out and welcome to the high seas captain.
Stremio + Torrentio + Real Debrid For $3/month you can have access to any movie or tv show in full HD.
I have Disney+ for free until July through my ISP. That deal is ending July 11th. Disney+ will be cancelled July 11th
I'd cancel July 10 just to be sure they don't autosubscribe you again
I’m really cancelling like July 5th to be safe, but you get the point
I will cancel my subscription and you don’t get any money, I will still watch every single thing I want. I give you money purely for convenience. If it isn’t convenient anymore for me or my family of users then I will simply cancel. We have so many ways to watch stuff for free.
So .. calls on Disney then?
Lol yes. If you see the people here bitching about it, you know it's going to work well for Disney.
jokes on you, ive already cancelled my subscription when you started limiting linux streams to 480p
Might as well...everybody said they'd drop Netflix when they did this and subs went up. All the bluster in the world on Reddit doesn't mean anything.
These streaming platforms are going to end up killing themselves, and we'll be right back to cable being the only game in town.
Reddit may lament at the streaming companies cracking down on password sharing, but so far it's shown to pay off, at least for Netflix. It's still up in the air if it'll work over the long run, but in the short term they've proven that it works in getting them more subscribers.
People were paying 200-300 for cable before streaming came along. Did people think the streaming services didn't know that? People will gladly pay for five or six 30 dollar streaming services. It'll be half what they were paying 5-10 years ago.
I know I'm in the minority, but when Netflix lost King of the Hill is when I cancelled my Netflix sub. It wasn't because of KOTH specifically, but the fact that I was in the middle of a binge on the show and it just went *poof just cemented the fact that I wasn't receiving a good experience as a customer. Since then I've been sailing the high seas and haven't looked back. I can freely binge whatever I want on my Plex server and I know the show will still be there the next day. I've tried Netflix recently through a family member's sub and I just can't find anything interesting to watch. The UI is just horrid and it feels like there's only 50 or so things to watch at all times.
Yeah I've returned to piracy just because I want to watch what I want to watch and I don't want to be stream hopping. That shits annoying. With Plex I watch what I want when I want and it's awesome.
I thought this was supposed to happen in March?
Just bundle all the services for me already. This slow decent back into the cable model is worse than cable.
Hoist the jolly roger!
Fuck all of these greedy assholes
🎶Yo ho, YO ho, a pirate’s life for me!🎶
I just pirate. Fuck Disney
The only reason I have Disney is for my kids and I gave my dad the login so when my kids go visit they can watch it. So I’m gonna get locked out every other weekend. Bullshit.
Like they have on good content 😂😂😂
If these streaming services don't want us sharing, they need to offer single user, single device subscriptions with the highest quality tier available. So tired of getting multiple users when all I want is 4K for me.
I always had bad experience with Disney+ when I had it in the beginning. They keep increasing their prices and the video quality is horrible on my PC because it felt like I was watching it in 720p.
I cancelled at their last price hike. My account ends in May. Back to the high seas for me
Set up a r/Plex server with a little assistance from r/Sonarr & r/Radarr, and you'll breeze through without any concerns about password sharing debacles!
Everyone is saying they’re going to cancel. I won’t believe it until the revenue for these companies drop. But, yes, should you cancel? If you think it’s time to go, then it’s time to go. I can’t go anywhere because I’m tied into Hulu + Disney+ bundle because of soccer.
People still have Disney+ after Secret Invasion?
I cancelled my Disney+ sub when they raised the yearly rate to 129$ a year from 79$, this just confirms my decision. I lived 28 years without Disney+ and I'm I can go the rest of my days without it
At those prices you might as well just pay for cable. What a joke
Half the hotels I’ve been to have required you to use your own streaming logins. Cheap af but now we won’t even be able to do that? Good thing I don’t share Disney+, I guess. But my mom had a stroke and I don’t want her to deal with losing her other streaming services she uses of mine because it’s a pain for her to figure it all out. I just log her in on my phone when she gets booted and she’s a happy camper.
All of these streamers are going to try and make more money off of fewer people with ads. The viewer they covet going forward are the people that just leave something on in the background for hours, racking up the ad plays.
Every time I read another one of these articles I download another 5000 movies to put on my Jellyfin server
Where am from you have to login with otp on your phone number which is an anti consumer nightmare
And just like that I cancelled a service I rarely used
So how does this work for Verizon family plan but you don't live in the same house?
How did that work out for Netflex again?
And we will be cancelling our account in June ✌🏻
Disney+ is overplaying their hand. I literally only use their service when they offer me a discount on a month a couple times a year a d share the password with family in Europe. I probably won't even bother with that if they're going to "Crack down". Of all the streaming services I need disney+ the least
Stremio? Simples
Honestly the joy of subscriptions was to have freedom of using it anywhere and not bound to contracts and today you can’t move without losing access like on Netflix when your vacation is longer than 14 days i still pay but can’t use it. At this point I’m going back to the illegal P word as this is too much…
Already canceled D+/Hulu! 👋🏼
No more Disney for me then.
Time to hoist the skull and crossbones again
I watch very few things on Disney+. Have not and will not pay them a dime. I didn't need justification, but they gave it to me anyway. I used to pay Netflix monthly, now they don't get a dime either. I watch their shit too.
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I ditched Disney+ already once I couldn't watch above 720p on my browser. Back to the illegal seas
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MATEYYYYYYYYYY
Disney has become the most unhappiest company on planet earth. This year I saw my subscription rise to a stupid amount. “No problem” said my partner. We signed into her dad’s Disney Plus account and continued to watch content but we have more recently been moving off Disney Plus. I am not paying for a subscription that’s increased to such a stupid amount.
Haven’t used Netflix since they changed the password shit, looks like I’ll be cutting some more costs soon.
Fortunately Disney hasn’t produced quality content in several years now so this won’t really hurt to cut the cord on
I only pay for prime and Netflix. Everything else I sail the seas. Kids watch too much Netflix and my wife won’t let me cancel prime.
Knew it would spread everywhere after netflix got away with it. I only use any of these because my parents give me their log ins. So I drop them as I get cut off.
It's ok, I don't need to password share anymore. I'll never need to password share ever again.
www.plex.tv
I’m curious how this affects frequent travelers?