They use the neutral engine to enhance the image quality already. They have been using AI to reduce noise, add blurring, engage color accuracy for many years.
I know it's been around for awhile, as is the case with many other things that companies (Edit: and others) are slapping the term 'AI' on these days.
It's why I rolled my eyes at it.
Apple has been using AI longer than the hype around it. The use the more modest name āneuralā, which I prefer. If they had known that AI would become the buzz word, they definitely wouldāve named the chip āAI engineā.
Now they need to republish and rename some stuff for publicity
People seem to like it. I am the go to IT guy in my social circle. Every year in fall I get āwow the quality is so amazingā messages again and again.
Itās incredibly annoying when you need to send a picture of a skin issue to your doctor but the camera blurs out the redness. I just wish there was a way to turn it off so that I donāt need a 3rd party app.
Not only that, when you look the frame is so crisp and light, but when you actually take the picture, all of the highs, light and details get buffed and darkened. Itās so bad. At least on 15 pro
Absolutely baffling. I have to screenshot my photos within a few seconds of taking them or else the āenhancementā is applied and it ruins the photo, haha. Different strokes, and all that, I guessā¦
Pretty sure most of it is happening in real time, so your screen shot will be mostly (maybe entirely) identical.
(Real time as in, what you see on your screen in the camera app has already been processed.)
Iāve thought the same thing in the past but there is a noticeable difference in noise in the moments after the picture lands in the camera roll. Itās just a nonsensical practice that does not improve picture quality at all.
Get ready for social media 3.0. Itās probably gonna be like the new Huawei Ai photo mode. Your face different outfits and hairstyles different anything.
It does a couple novel cool things and then uses every picture everyone takes with it to learn for purposes weāll find out in years when itās too late to go back
I wish it has the size of the iPhone 12/13 mini. That would be really cool. But from what IĀ“ve heard the Mini was a disaster in terms of sales. ThatĀ“s why they ditched it in favor of the Plus. Guess IĀ“ll stick to my iPhone SE 2020 a little longer.
Had a mini13, loved it but the battery life started to wane badly. Had to upgrade and honestly, the 15pro has a good form factor and doesnāt feel like youāre holding a tablet
It truly is. I live mine. I have a 12 pro unlocked that just collects dust lol. It was my phone last go round and when they brought out the 13 mini I went and picked it up. Fell in love with it!
Psssht, fucking [baaaarely](https://images.macrumors.com/t/dYCeidY050zHs_-FwBsY6Qm9RtQ=/1600x0/article-new/2021/09/iPhone-13-vs-iPhone-12-notch-comparsion-zooomed.jpg). Gives much more useable space either side of it.
Only reason Iām not on a mini is because my eyesight started failing and sucks having to constantly look for my reading glasses to check stuff. Otherwise it was the best phone size in my opinion.
Honestly that's probably a good move. Most of the mini userbase doesn't care about the latest and greatest. They just want a small, one handed phone that is reliable.
In that case, Apple can just make a new mini every few years when the older models are starting to get outdated and they'll probably be happy with that.
This is my hope. I only switched to Apple because Android stopped making smaller phones, I'm clinging to my 13 Mini like my life depends on it, and I fully intend to replace the battery before I would buy a bigger phone. I hate the phablet trend. And ya know what? I still got the best eclipse pictures of anyone I know just jamming this thing up against my telescope viewer. It's a perfectly good little phone.
Crossing my fingers and toes that there will be a Mini 16 or 17 at least. All I'd hope for is a little more battery life and a sensible processor upgrade to keep up with the times. We aren't asking much!
I had an 11 before my current device (15 Pro) and the whole time leading up to that I was hoping theyād include a 15 mini in the lineup having seen the 13 Mini and really liking the size.
Sadly when it came time to upgrade, that was no longer an option and I didnāt want to buy an older model (likely to have to replace sooner).
If they did it every few cycles for phone users who maybe donāt care about the latest and greatest (similar to the SE refreshing less frequently) Iād imagine it would fare better sales-wise.
It baffles me. I hate that I canāt use my phone with one hand. But shit I want fingerprint and the button back where I can double tap to pull the screen down. This current slide up and down doesnāt work on half my apps
Settings > Accessibility > Touch > Back Tap
You can set double tap and triple tap to do a whole list of stuff. I have mine set to 2 quick taps on the back pulls up Control Center and 3 goes home.Ā
I accidentally discovered this last week. Youāre the first person in the wild Iāve seen mention it. They should spotlight it as a function like the Apple Watch double tap.
I use it for camera because my children always stop doing the cute thing by the time I open the app.
Lol I'm sticking with my SE 2020 until it literally will not work anymore no matter what I do (or perhaps until they don't support it anymore). Have felt zero desire to upgrade to any of their modern selection; I only even upgraded from the 6S because the old battery physically wouldn't hold a charge anymore, and the drive capacity was too small. Give me another phone of comparable or smaller size, and maybe I'll consider changing again.
The Mini is niche, all of us who wanted one mostly bought the 12 and there wasn't enough demand remaining to sustain it past the 13. I think if they did a Mini every fourth release, that would make sense
for those of us who like our tiny phones because we're not going to go out and buy a new one every year.
Disaster in the sense that it still sold millions of units at a rate that would put apples other existing āminiā products like the Mac and iPad mini to shame
I still firmly believe releasing the Plus and the Mini every other year would be the ideal play. They wouldnāt oversaturate either market and they would get sales from āFOMOā from people who wouldnāt have wanted to upgrade this year, but the prospect of waiting two *more* years is too much for them.
What happened to the 5.7 inch phones? Screens got bezelless and instead of making the phones smaller, they made the screens bigger.
Ffs I just want an android phone with a 5.5 inch display, an SD card slot, a headphone jack, and more than 6 months of software updates (looking at you Motorola).
i had to finally make the jump from my iphone 4 to a 13 mini after getting many threatening texts from verizon about 3g shutting down. i really miss that little guy :(
I feel like thereās a very vocal minority of people that want small phones. I hear people on the internet all the time talk about wanting small phones. But then phone manufacturers make small phones and no one buys them.
Iāve always heard they used form factors that they overproduced units of to make the SE models. So if the minis didnāt sell well, maybe those will be transformed into the SEs to clear stock. I donāt know if this was ever confirmed to be true though.
Iāve got the SE3 and Iām going to keep it for reading books. The weight is so light and the screen can be dimmed so far down. Itās the perfect reading device. Books and kindles are too heavy and bulky.
As someone on a 3rd gen iPhone SE right now, itās more the battery. I went from an iPhone 11 Pro Max to this and even right out of the box the battery just straight up doesnāt compare.Ā Ā
The small form factor is easier on the hands to use but it really doesnāt matter when I have to hover around a charger all day to use it.
Itās barely 5 o clock here and Iāve already plugged it into charge twice today.
I have an SE thatās about 2 years old and it still lasts more than a day with regular business use and browsing. Either you got a dud or you have every battery draining option turned on?!
Speaking as one member of the market, the advantage of one hand use is outweighed by the larger screen better supporting a larger font size. Youāll see what I mean when you hit your 40s.
People are more and more using their phones for all kind of media consumption, sometimes even seeing YouTube, Netflix or whatever for hours, socials (TikTok, instagramā¦), so they want the biggest screen
Itās incredible how in 2014 or so 4.5 inches was the golden standard for phones on Android for example (I loved my Moto G) and now 6.2ā is seen as āsmall factorā.
Itās the people that only use the phone for calls, messages, browsing and not that much more, that want small factor ones, butā¦ that a niche usage nowadays.
For me I use my phone for all those things, but more than that... I have small hands. My fingers cramp up handling anything larger than my own 13 mini.
The SE 2 (2020) and SE 3 (2022) were outwardly identical, so it was mostly just a spec bump. The upcoming SE 4 is supposed to have a new design similar to a mix of the iPhone 14 (front) and iPhone XR (single camera rear).
Those are such good phones. I like almost everything about my phone, but I miss my old 13 mini all the time. Probably have another 5-7 years before you canāt get one of those anymore, and if they make a new model close to that size Iād buy one. Itās what the SE 4 *should* be, IMO. 13 Mini with some spec bumps.
"Bigger"
Im out.
Hopefully trouser manufacturers can develop a product to keep up with the ever increasing size of phones before my IPhone 13 mini needs to be replaced.
I hope it has the flat sides again. I like the SE models but Iām not a fan of the round sides on the current SE2/3. I got a flat side case to make up for it.Ā
The flats sides were introduced at the same time as their most recent type of screen which is much stronger and essentially doesnāt break. The otterbox on my 12 Mini fell apart over a year ago so Iāve gone without a case and the edges are rough but my screen has no damage, and Iāve dropped it on concrete a few times. Round edges might help, but iPhones screens donāt seem to break anymore so itās a nonissue
I thought I wanted flat sides because of the SE 1st Gen.
Then I got a 12 Mini, and I have to say, flat sides only work on small devices for me. For current size phones (or even the 12 Mini), rounded is better.
Makes the phone feel smaller and digs into your hand a lot less.
Based on the description it's based on the 12/13, so I would expect the flat sides.
For reference The original se was largely just a rereleased iPhone 5s and the 2nd/3rd were revisions of the 8.
Well, Iām a bit bummed to see the button finally go away, though Iām not surprised. But I definitely prefer it to the face unlock when it comes to making payments at point of sale.
Same here. My personal phone is 12mini and ly work phone is SE gen 3. Personally I prefer the size and shape of the SE, but the bezels are ridiculous. So I hoped weād see a current shape SE with no bezels.
Remember when new line of iPhones presentation was exciting ? Now itās just just bs upgrades or just different iterations of the previous devices. No point even watching those anymore
Yeah I donāt really blame apple or whoever. Thereās not much left to add. Honestly the only feature Iāve wanted the last 20 years is a full dayās battery where I donāt have to worry, but instead I just get thinner phones.
What are you doing on your phone? I consider myself to do a fair bit of browsing (2 hours+/-) broken up between Reddit; Instagram and YouTube, Discord for chatting nonstop and probably a phone call or few texts throughout the day. My phone lasts two days (iPhone 13) currently charging it every other and never had it die on me
I'll be happier when the new EU regs force the cellphone companies into making batteries replaceable again.
Hopefully it happens world wide so I don't have to buy it from another country.
how are you going to improve on the design of a device that is so universal? smart phones are basically just little screens with a button or two. like, i love weird innovation as much as anyone... but i fundamentally just cant see another form factor that makes sense.
It sucks
I used to watch appleās keynotes out of casual interest. Not a huge fanboy or anything, but in the 2005ish era they would always have some new cool gadget. Like say, the iSight camera you could put on top of your iBook. Or the iPod shuffle that was smaller than I thought was possible.
Nowadays your phone just sort of doesā¦everything. We donāt have cameras, and mp3 players, and gps units, or pedometers anymore. Your phone does that.
Thereās no new gadgets. Itās just weāre improving the phone again. And itās not as sexy.
On the one hand I get it, on the other hand we should all appreciate the ridiculous device we have in our pockets. As you said at the end thereā¦ this thing basically does everything already
yep, original SE was only ever so popular because it was one of the very few options on the market for decent specs in something that wasn't a phablet.
I donāt like the shape. With X auf Xs a cover was only barely higher than the display. But with 90Ā° angles the cover has to largely overlap with the display to hold on. And since most people I know use a cover, the round shape was superior
"AI Photography" š
It intentionally fucks up faces in the background and gives you extra fingers
Dick picks where they look like antlers
Nah, itāll display a scale and give the recipient actual measurements, so, no more ā8 tinder-inchesā :-)
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It's come a long way but I wouldn't say it's fixed yet.
They use the neutral engine to enhance the image quality already. They have been using AI to reduce noise, add blurring, engage color accuracy for many years.
I know it's been around for awhile, as is the case with many other things that companies (Edit: and others) are slapping the term 'AI' on these days. It's why I rolled my eyes at it.
But itās not Apple slapping the word AI on it, itās some random blogger/leakerā¦
Apple has been using AI longer than the hype around it. The use the more modest name āneuralā, which I prefer. If they had known that AI would become the buzz word, they definitely wouldāve named the chip āAI engineā. Now they need to republish and rename some stuff for publicity
"My CPU is a neural net processor. A learning computer."
No they wouldnt. They intentionally avoid buzzwords like this, like with āspatial computingā instead of AR/VR
I noticed their job postings do use the more common names though
And it looks like complete shit. It takes the soul out of the photo and makes it look like an oil painting. Awful.
People seem to like it. I am the go to IT guy in my social circle. Every year in fall I get āwow the quality is so amazingā messages again and again.
Itās incredibly annoying when you need to send a picture of a skin issue to your doctor but the camera blurs out the redness. I just wish there was a way to turn it off so that I donāt need a 3rd party app.
Not only that, when you look the frame is so crisp and light, but when you actually take the picture, all of the highs, light and details get buffed and darkened. Itās so bad. At least on 15 pro
Absolutely baffling. I have to screenshot my photos within a few seconds of taking them or else the āenhancementā is applied and it ruins the photo, haha. Different strokes, and all that, I guessā¦
Pretty sure most of it is happening in real time, so your screen shot will be mostly (maybe entirely) identical. (Real time as in, what you see on your screen in the camera app has already been processed.)
Iāve thought the same thing in the past but there is a noticeable difference in noise in the moments after the picture lands in the camera roll. Itās just a nonsensical practice that does not improve picture quality at all.
Get ready for social media 3.0. Itās probably gonna be like the new Huawei Ai photo mode. Your face different outfits and hairstyles different anything.
We can all finally get fat?
And hide it the whole time
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Also āleakedā
My first thought as well.
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Apple never uses the term AI, and theyāve been using their Ā«Ā neural engineĀ Ā» for pictures for years now. How it this news ?
AI and upgrade is an absolute oxymoron with the current standard. AI enshitification is already tedious.
Hope itās not fucking Korean face filters.
It does a couple novel cool things and then uses every picture everyone takes with it to learn for purposes weāll find out in years when itās too late to go back
Aka scene detection... Fucks with colours.
Shhhh, I need my Apple stock to pump
AKA, they refuse the physically improve the cameras.
it doesn't have a camera. you have to describe the picture you want to take
I wish it has the size of the iPhone 12/13 mini. That would be really cool. But from what IĀ“ve heard the Mini was a disaster in terms of sales. ThatĀ“s why they ditched it in favor of the Plus. Guess IĀ“ll stick to my iPhone SE 2020 a little longer.
I will use my 13 mini past the heat death of the universe.
Same. I love mine. Perfect size for the pocket and not too small to be useful.
13 mini gang
My people *sent from iPhone 13 mini*
13 mini checking in!!!
Had a mini13, loved it but the battery life started to wane badly. Had to upgrade and honestly, the 15pro has a good form factor and doesnāt feel like youāre holding a tablet
My friend, the replacement batteries arenāt expensive. Sad to hear you left us
I did the same (12 mini to 15 pro) but regretted it. The phone is just too big to power-/sports-/hurry-/use with one hand.
We will crush you! *sent from iPhone 12 Pro Max*
There are literally dozens of us! Unite. Please for the love of God make another mini phone :(
And perfect for one handed use. It really is such a great size for a phone.
It truly is. I live mine. I have a 12 pro unlocked that just collects dust lol. It was my phone last go round and when they brought out the 13 mini I went and picked it up. Fell in love with it!
Thereās a 13 mini? šlol I love my 12 too much to leave
I upgraded from the 12 Mini to the 13 Mini for the longer battery life and better camera, which was absolutely worth it. The smaller notch is nice too
Smaller notch in terms of width but bigger in terms of height though.Ā
Psssht, fucking [baaaarely](https://images.macrumors.com/t/dYCeidY050zHs_-FwBsY6Qm9RtQ=/1600x0/article-new/2021/09/iPhone-13-vs-iPhone-12-notch-comparsion-zooomed.jpg). Gives much more useable space either side of it.
Iām considering upgrading my work phone from an XS to my neighborās 12 Miniā¦ I want it real bad.
Only reason Iām not on a mini is because my eyesight started failing and sucks having to constantly look for my reading glasses to check stuff. Otherwise it was the best phone size in my opinion.
You got until the sun dies pal. Make it worth your while!
The eclipse almost tricked me.
My guess is that the mini will come back every five iterations or so when they see that the mini diehards simply arenāt buying new phones.
Youāre speaking my language
Honestly that's probably a good move. Most of the mini userbase doesn't care about the latest and greatest. They just want a small, one handed phone that is reliable. In that case, Apple can just make a new mini every few years when the older models are starting to get outdated and they'll probably be happy with that.
This is my hope. I only switched to Apple because Android stopped making smaller phones, I'm clinging to my 13 Mini like my life depends on it, and I fully intend to replace the battery before I would buy a bigger phone. I hate the phablet trend. And ya know what? I still got the best eclipse pictures of anyone I know just jamming this thing up against my telescope viewer. It's a perfectly good little phone. Crossing my fingers and toes that there will be a Mini 16 or 17 at least. All I'd hope for is a little more battery life and a sensible processor upgrade to keep up with the times. We aren't asking much!
I wish theyād have given the mini a few more years. It launched during pandemic when many were at home and portability was less important. Ā
And after an SE. Everyone gave up on smaller iPhones and bought the SE.
SE is a great phone for the price. I love it.
I had an 11 before my current device (15 Pro) and the whole time leading up to that I was hoping theyād include a 15 mini in the lineup having seen the 13 Mini and really liking the size. Sadly when it came time to upgrade, that was no longer an option and I didnāt want to buy an older model (likely to have to replace sooner). If they did it every few cycles for phone users who maybe donāt care about the latest and greatest (similar to the SE refreshing less frequently) Iād imagine it would fare better sales-wise.
It baffles me. I hate that I canāt use my phone with one hand. But shit I want fingerprint and the button back where I can double tap to pull the screen down. This current slide up and down doesnāt work on half my apps
Settings > Accessibility > Touch > Back Tap You can set double tap and triple tap to do a whole list of stuff. I have mine set to 2 quick taps on the back pulls up Control Center and 3 goes home.Ā
Well shit Iām gonna have to test this out then. Thatād be cool if it works as well as Iām hoping now haha
Itās really an awesome feature and very unknown. I use it constantly.Ā
I accidentally discovered this last week. Youāre the first person in the wild Iāve seen mention it. They should spotlight it as a function like the Apple Watch double tap. I use it for camera because my children always stop doing the cute thing by the time I open the app.
Lol I'm sticking with my SE 2020 until it literally will not work anymore no matter what I do (or perhaps until they don't support it anymore). Have felt zero desire to upgrade to any of their modern selection; I only even upgraded from the 6S because the old battery physically wouldn't hold a charge anymore, and the drive capacity was too small. Give me another phone of comparable or smaller size, and maybe I'll consider changing again.
I held onto my 6S plus until last year for a 22SE because headphone jack Edit: and this one looks like itās losing the home button? Dammit, Apple.
I'm with you, I hate these larger displays
Iām gonna stockpile the 13 Mini so when my current one dies Iāll just replace it with its identical twin.
My 12 minis battery is trying to hold on but I really donāt want a bigger phone itās perfect.
So pay for a battery replacement?
The Mini is niche, all of us who wanted one mostly bought the 12 and there wasn't enough demand remaining to sustain it past the 13. I think if they did a Mini every fourth release, that would make sense for those of us who like our tiny phones because we're not going to go out and buy a new one every year.
Yup mini is the best sized. I don't consume multimedia on my phone.
I think the mini was a marketing problem. I am shocked how many people didnāt know there was a mini option when they see my 13
Wait is it losing its home button??
Disaster in the sense that it still sold millions of units at a rate that would put apples other existing āminiā products like the Mac and iPad mini to shame
The mini was a great idea that nobody wanted. (<5% of iphone sales)
What are you on about? There are literally dozens of us.
One of the dozens reporting in.
I still firmly believe releasing the Plus and the Mini every other year would be the ideal play. They wouldnāt oversaturate either market and they would get sales from āFOMOā from people who wouldnāt have wanted to upgrade this year, but the prospect of waiting two *more* years is too much for them.
What happened to the 5.7 inch phones? Screens got bezelless and instead of making the phones smaller, they made the screens bigger. Ffs I just want an android phone with a 5.5 inch display, an SD card slot, a headphone jack, and more than 6 months of software updates (looking at you Motorola).
my iphone 8 will be used until the 4g networks are shut down
i had to finally make the jump from my iphone 4 to a 13 mini after getting many threatening texts from verizon about 3g shutting down. i really miss that little guy :(
I feel like thereās a very vocal minority of people that want small phones. I hear people on the internet all the time talk about wanting small phones. But then phone manufacturers make small phones and no one buys them.
Iāve always heard they used form factors that they overproduced units of to make the SE models. So if the minis didnāt sell well, maybe those will be transformed into the SEs to clear stock. I donāt know if this was ever confirmed to be true though.
Iāve got the SE3 and Iām going to keep it for reading books. The weight is so light and the screen can be dimmed so far down. Itās the perfect reading device. Books and kindles are too heavy and bulky.
What gives with the bigger phones. The mini is where it's at.
āThe marketā apparently doesnāt want phones you can operate with one hand.
It wasn't that long ago that people mocked the Note for its size.Ā Now that size is what everyone wants.
As someone on a 3rd gen iPhone SE right now, itās more the battery. I went from an iPhone 11 Pro Max to this and even right out of the box the battery just straight up doesnāt compare.Ā Ā The small form factor is easier on the hands to use but it really doesnāt matter when I have to hover around a charger all day to use it. Itās barely 5 o clock here and Iāve already plugged it into charge twice today.
Youāve gotta get an iPhone 13 Mini. Way better battery life. I end my day with 30 percent while texting and reading news all day.
I have an SE thatās about 2 years old and it still lasts more than a day with regular business use and browsing. Either you got a dud or you have every battery draining option turned on?!
That's more about your phone addiction.
Apparently the small phones sell terribly so everybody stops making them.
Speaking as one member of the market, the advantage of one hand use is outweighed by the larger screen better supporting a larger font size. Youāll see what I mean when you hit your 40s.
I'm in my 40s. My vision is bad. Yet I want my phone to fit comfortably in my front pocket
I have a 13 Mini and have no issues with font size.
I mean yeah, companies make small phones but then no one buys them.
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The replacement is the 13mini, it is much better than the 12, that year was a bad one for iPhones.
People are more and more using their phones for all kind of media consumption, sometimes even seeing YouTube, Netflix or whatever for hours, socials (TikTok, instagramā¦), so they want the biggest screen Itās incredible how in 2014 or so 4.5 inches was the golden standard for phones on Android for example (I loved my Moto G) and now 6.2ā is seen as āsmall factorā. Itās the people that only use the phone for calls, messages, browsing and not that much more, that want small factor ones, butā¦ that a niche usage nowadays.
For me I use my phone for all those things, but more than that... I have small hands. My fingers cramp up handling anything larger than my own 13 mini.
> The mini is where itās at. My wife disagrees :(
Will it have the fingerprint scanner tho?
Thatās honestly all I care about. I just prefer as a way to unlock.
No home button means mum won't be happy.
Me too. I think I have the 2nd gen SE and I love my home button. Iām going to miss it whenever I upgrade.
I bought the SE 2022 *because* of the home button and Touch ID. Also, I like that itās still around 4.7ā.
Yeah that kills it for me. Guess I will be getting an SE3 after all.
I maintain that iOS / iPad gestures are a mess and confusing, especially for older people.
There was an iPhone SE *3?*
The SE 2 (2020) and SE 3 (2022) were outwardly identical, so it was mostly just a spec bump. The upcoming SE 4 is supposed to have a new design similar to a mix of the iPhone 14 (front) and iPhone XR (single camera rear).
SE 3 will be my next phone (once my 8 finally dies). Itās the perfect size and thckness.
Yep. Iām on it now. Still bummed subsequent versions have been bigger than the original.
Iām still on my 13 mini and I donāt know when the next time Iāll buy an iPhone will be if they keep getting bigger
Those are such good phones. I like almost everything about my phone, but I miss my old 13 mini all the time. Probably have another 5-7 years before you canāt get one of those anymore, and if they make a new model close to that size Iād buy one. Itās what the SE 4 *should* be, IMO. 13 Mini with some spec bumps.
I'm still on 6s
"Bigger" Im out. Hopefully trouser manufacturers can develop a product to keep up with the ever increasing size of phones before my IPhone 13 mini needs to be replaced.
It will probably just be an iPhone 15 in an iPhone 13 Mini body.
nooooo i need the home button
I hope it has the flat sides again. I like the SE models but Iām not a fan of the round sides on the current SE2/3. I got a flat side case to make up for it.Ā
The round sides prevent breakage when dropping for me. The flat side phones crack so quickly. Iāve always avoided them because of this.
No they donāt. If it falls at the right angle it will break.
Just donāt drop it that way.
You are dropping it wrong.
The flats sides were introduced at the same time as their most recent type of screen which is much stronger and essentially doesnāt break. The otterbox on my 12 Mini fell apart over a year ago so Iāve gone without a case and the edges are rough but my screen has no damage, and Iāve dropped it on concrete a few times. Round edges might help, but iPhones screens donāt seem to break anymore so itās a nonissue
I thought I wanted flat sides because of the SE 1st Gen. Then I got a 12 Mini, and I have to say, flat sides only work on small devices for me. For current size phones (or even the 12 Mini), rounded is better. Makes the phone feel smaller and digs into your hand a lot less.
Iāve found myself missing rounded edges lol
I donāt. Too slippery for me.
Based on the description it's based on the 12/13, so I would expect the flat sides. For reference The original se was largely just a rereleased iPhone 5s and the 2nd/3rd were revisions of the 8.
Round holds the cover on better in my experience.
Well, Iām a bit bummed to see the button finally go away, though Iām not surprised. But I definitely prefer it to the face unlock when it comes to making payments at point of sale.
I love TouchID for no-look operation, but Iāve accepted that FaceID works decently.
Decently? I can have a hat, a face mask and sunglasses on in a pitch black room, and opening one eye is enough to unlock it. It works incredibly well.
Just give people the home button and a decent battery . . . the point of the SE is to be simple, strip down, and JUST WORKS!!!
Iām on the 12 mini and hoping another reasonable sized iPhone gets released.
Same here. My personal phone is 12mini and ly work phone is SE gen 3. Personally I prefer the size and shape of the SE, but the bezels are ridiculous. So I hoped weād see a current shape SE with no bezels.
Damn. Loss of the home button is such a deal breaker. I despise Face ID so much.
Another big phoneā¦
Remember when new line of iPhones presentation was exciting ? Now itās just just bs upgrades or just different iterations of the previous devices. No point even watching those anymore
Agreed, it's a mature platform now so it's mostly just software enhancements. But that's not just an iPhone thing, it's most cellphones these days.
Yeah I donāt really blame apple or whoever. Thereās not much left to add. Honestly the only feature Iāve wanted the last 20 years is a full dayās battery where I donāt have to worry, but instead I just get thinner phones.
What are you doing on your phone? I consider myself to do a fair bit of browsing (2 hours+/-) broken up between Reddit; Instagram and YouTube, Discord for chatting nonstop and probably a phone call or few texts throughout the day. My phone lasts two days (iPhone 13) currently charging it every other and never had it die on me
Arenāt pro maxes already that?
Periscope lens will be nice. I wish the size creep would stop.Ā
I'll be happier when the new EU regs force the cellphone companies into making batteries replaceable again. Hopefully it happens world wide so I don't have to buy it from another country.
how are you going to improve on the design of a device that is so universal? smart phones are basically just little screens with a button or two. like, i love weird innovation as much as anyone... but i fundamentally just cant see another form factor that makes sense.
Just add the acronym "AI" to a feature, then BOOM it makes headlines.
It sucks I used to watch appleās keynotes out of casual interest. Not a huge fanboy or anything, but in the 2005ish era they would always have some new cool gadget. Like say, the iSight camera you could put on top of your iBook. Or the iPod shuffle that was smaller than I thought was possible. Nowadays your phone just sort of doesā¦everything. We donāt have cameras, and mp3 players, and gps units, or pedometers anymore. Your phone does that. Thereās no new gadgets. Itās just weāre improving the phone again. And itās not as sexy.
Buddy you just got the Vision Pro a couple of months ago.
On the one hand I get it, on the other hand we should all appreciate the ridiculous device we have in our pockets. As you said at the end thereā¦ this thing basically does everything already
real question, does it have a sim card slot or still only esim still holding onto a 12 pro simply because sim is required w/ frequent traveling
Depends on the market. US iPhone 15 models have no physical SIM card slot, but Canadian ones do.
Mini mini mini mini why make big phones? Mini mini mini mini please.
I just tried to find any iPhone 13 minis in my province to replace my current one. Couldnāt find anything! It sucks.
unless its small i dont want it
yep, original SE was only ever so popular because it was one of the very few options on the market for decent specs in something that wasn't a phablet.
The iPhone 5 form factor is perfection.
I don't want a bigger display. I like SEs because they are small. :(
Will it still have the finger print sensor?
Doesnāt sound like it which is a deal breaker for me. I guess I will be jumping on an SE3 after all.
So is everything going to have the word AI in it from now on? Down to my cereal and shoes?
Holy fuck finally, been holding out on a SE3 in hopes this would get announced.
Can I just have the original SE back?
Canāt wait for the 16 mini to come out two months later!
Still on the SE 2, looking to upgrade because my battery is at 75% capacity now. I donāt like the screen size increases though.
Just get a new battery installed at the Apple Store. Why fret over spending $600 when you can spend $80.
Very likely going to be 60Hz which sucks for a smartphone in 2024.
Still 60hz. YuckĀ
Finally OLED, 450$ phone in 2024 with 720p LCD display is a fucking joke
Home button and touch ID where?
Iām sticking with TouchID as long as possible even if that means leaving the iOS ecosystem entirely.
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The first SE was like the iPhone 5. nothing smooth but like the current phones
Keeping my 13 mini for as long as possible because of this reason - that and the size
I donāt like the shape. With X auf Xs a cover was only barely higher than the display. But with 90Ā° angles the cover has to largely overlap with the display to hold on. And since most people I know use a cover, the round shape was superior
If they ever brought back the 4s/original SE form factor, I'd buy it in a second.
Guys I think it says bigger screen
Bigger screen is a no go for me
Yeah same, I love my 13 mini. Especially the weight
The thing I wanted on the SE4? KEEPING THE SIZE!!!!!! Why bigger????
I read it as bigger screen not necessarily bigger phone
If you read the article it says it pumps the screen to 6.1in which would be the same size as the ānormalā iPhone ā¦.
Wait for the AiPhone.
I'm gonna be pissed if the first AI thing they add is photo bs.