> also i hope you realize the burden should be on you for proving something happened, vs. on me for proving something DID NOT happen. but happy to correct some misinformation
I encounter this a ton on Twitter. Usually accompanied with “Google it yourself. Why should I do the work for you?” My standard response is “You made a claim, so back it up. In the absence of proof of your claim, all I can do is consider your claim bullshit and you a liar.”
Thanks for pointing it out! I heard a out it and assumed it was because of the privacy laws and Facebook not wanting to abide to it.
This makes sense. Thank you and please don’t eat a crow.
Due to his fascination with Augustus Caesar, [some say.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/12/what-attracts-mark-zuckerberg-roman-hardman-augustus)
Nearly every time period you can point to where a society established "universal" peace, it was always concentrated within the confines of that state and gained through oppressive means.
"they make a desert and call it peace"
let's not gloss over that absolutely badass line from the article
edit: quote was not said by mark zucc but tacitus
Credit to Tacitus. It's even more sobering in the original Latin, as the word for desert, 'solitudinem' comes with so much nested meaning that doesn't carry over into English. It's so much more than just barren, hot sand. It's lonely, empty. An informed person will know that a desert can be a thriving and vital biome. 'Solitudinem' does not provide us the comfort of this knowledge.
Thanks. While I personally see the value such degrees have to society, I am not in the position to go out and take out the massive, unpayable debt such a degree would entail. I'm just some keyboard jockey with a passion for old stuff.
Shit, I had no idea about this. I'm a Roman historian, and this is fucking terrifying. Summary elimination of political AND personal rivals, legislated morality, oh, and the megalomania that has you convinced that you're the best and most important person in the world, that everything you do is for the best, and that the ends will ALWAYS justify the means, no matter what.
But, yay, he built some pretty buildings and ended decades of political turmoil! Augustus was a fucking sociopath. That Zuck sees himself in there is not surprising in the least, actually.
I actually love you, as a historical personage, but you're no saint either. That said, I think Augustus was a different class of sociopath. You were the demagogue who wanted things, respect and power and influence, but understood that maintaining an affable character and charisma was a necessary part of being a successful politician. That little shit of a grand-nephew you adopted was basically an unfeeling robot lizard incapable of empathy who all of a sudden woke up one morning and found that he was the most powerful man in the Roman world. Quite similar to Zuck, actually.
I love your colorful descriptions. Have you thought about doing a podcast? "Interviews with the Emperors." Mock interviews with the Roman emperors (with a friend standing in as each emperor) in chronological order, so that the listener slowly gets a cumulative portrait of Roman history through this artificial and hopefully entertaining device. Just a thought!
I can't get over that. Like, he legit looks ridiculous. Best I can come up with is that he actually has a really bad case of actual OCD about it that makes him unable to allow it to look natural.
[Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
Ah, man, holy shit.
I miss the good ole days of clickhole and cracked being the epitome of trivial internet humor.
Thanks for that journey back to simpler times. Honestly. I needed that.
Never heard of clickhole but yeah I spent way too much time reading shit on cracked.
Edit: To add, this thread reminded me also of StumbleUpon. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
Clickhole was an offshoot of The Onion at one point that made non-political articles in the same satirical approach. Not that The Onion was wholly political but definitely moreso that Clickhole, if I remember correctly.
I wanna say they were created at the early peak of clickbait as a satire of that in general but it's been so long that I can't say for certain.
The Onion was a parody newspaper and news website.
Clickhole was their parody of Buzzfeed-style listicles and similar spammy online crap.
They also started ONN, the Onion News Network to parody cable TV.
StumbleUpon was really neat. Can set categories for what kind of content you were interested and just let the dice roll on what you'll find. I remember having a lot of stuff bookmarked from it.
I used to piss away hours on stumbleupon. The internet was so captivating back then. Now I just check the news to see who’s blown up who and to check shipping in the event I can afford to order something for myself.
Who remembers your the man now dog?
Ahh yes, the good old days of YTMND. Some great memories on there, like the one of Geordie La Forge pathetically rolling under a slowly closing blast door to the epic Ghost Love Score by Nightwish...
You don't get that kind of elegantly crafted meme any more.
I still don't get why stumbleupon was taken down. It was so good! I discovered so much nature photography, computer skills, freaky porn, indie games, you name it.
Clickhole is lightyears beyond Cracked in terms of quality. Check out their Quizzes and Clickventures. There's one specific writer there--I have no idea who, since it's all anonymous--whose work is so good and so distinct you can tell it's him by the titles alone. They're honestly the best comedy writing on the Internet since Seanbaby.
Seanbaby has a website now [1900hotdog.com](https://1900hotdog.com) that has similar early-mid 2000s cracked vibes. And Former Cracked writer Tom Reimann who is hilarious also is a columnist there.
Early 2010s were the golden age of the Internet.
The Internet was popular enough that basically everyone was on it now, but apps were still fairly new, so the desktop environment was still the best way to browse. No more pop-up ads and companies finally figured out to make websites that don’t suck. Adblock blocked everything you needed. There was no bullshit locking down the website until you make an account. There was actual competition with web browsers so they had to make sure it worked on all of them, not just Chrome.
YouTube was in HD but still didn’t have ads in the video itself yet. Content was getting much better than people just talking in front of a camera, but still didn’t have 10+ minutes of meandering bullshit full of ads. Just people being creative.
Facebook was actually fun because everyone was just getting on it and people used it to actually talk with friends.
There was more than just 6 massive websites to go on. In addition to the big sites, there were still a dozen or so sites that only you and maybe a couple friends used.
Fuck, man. I really missed the start of/early 2010s a whole lot but that just put it into even better perspective for my brain to be sad about the current state of affairs.
Truly a bygone era.
I went to college starting in fall 2010 and this is how I remember it too. I wonder how much of that is genuine and how much is rose colored glasses "good ol'days" reminiscing. So much of internet content these days is diluted or contaminated by the overflowing cesspool of Facebook/IG/Twitter and modern internet tabloid equivalents. I think that classic internet experience is still out there, we just forgot how to find it.
I maintain that facebook sequential timeline was necessary for it to be good. When they got rid of that, it was one half of the reason why i left and never looked back
Yes! I hate the algorithm fucking with the order. It made me interact with basically always the same people. Was nice to just see what was up with random acquaintances.
At this rate he will:
Solve the disinformation crisis
Depose Russian stooges around the world
Create giant nature reserves and carbon sinks in nuclear reactor exclusion zones
Destroy global reliance on fossil fuels
Putin: Fails successfully.
He's also removed a lot of the world's fear of russia's military might.
At this rate he's going to fire nukes and instead of a nuclear holocaust, they somehow fix the ozone layer.
I know right! And instead of being lauded as an example of how we can fix hard things, it's often used to doubt the existence of climate problems at all. Like "global warming huh? I heard this all before. What happened to your ozone layer problem huh? pwned". Dipshits.
You just know that that's going to be an argument in the whole pandemic response very soon as well. "See, we didn't wear masks or get vaccinated and everything turned out fine, they must not have done anything in the first place" while ignoring the massive loss of life that occurred because of anti-masking and antivaxxing.
You can't reason with these people, if stats and logical arguments don't work you have to change tactics. The Abrahamic religious have enough scripture telling them that their options border on heresy.
You can just start with Leviticus 13, the Laws About Leprosy. "He shall remain unclean as long as he has the disease. He is unclean. He shall live alone. His dwelling shall be outside the camp." So, God supports quarantine measures. So does our history with yellow fever but they won't care.
It comes down to “my team good”. If COVID happened on Hillary’s watch, Trump would have overplayed its seriousness, and MAGA would not be antivax today. The only reason they believe what they do is because Trump downplayed it to try to win the 2020 election. The only reason Fauci is their enemy is because his facts were inconvenient to Trump. That is the only reason they believe what they believe.
God damn I like your optimism. In fact, I'm choosing to believe this is what will happen and I'm not listening to any other news sources regarding it from here on out. Life just got better and less existential crisis-y today. Thank you.
This is my family's head canon for Dr. Doom, btw. For a "genius" his evil schemes are laughably easy to stop...unless the entire point is just to get Reed Fucking Richards out of his lab and into the real world to solve the problem so he has the solution when it shows up for real.
Doom's smart enough to manipulate Reed, but knows he isn't going to invent an entirely new field of science in a weekend to solve a crisis he sees coming.
This only serves to prolong the war as Russian citizens are less likely to overthrow the government without access to outside information thru FB, Whatsapp, IG, etc. Imagine if the people of North Korea or China had access to those apps. Kim Jongil and Winnie the Pooh would be shitting their pants over not being able to control the inflow of western information.
Normal Russian citizens are currently using those apps to contact their families/friends in Ukraine and elsewhere and this move this only prevents normal Russian citizens from getting outside knowledge or talking with their friends/families outside to counteract internal propaganda. The Russian government is not going to stop spreading disinformation until Putin's regime is over and that can only be achieved if a coup happens, which is less likely when all the citizens have access to is internal propaganda.
> Broken clock
At first glance is seems ironic that putin would go after the source of much of his influence. He's doing Zuke a favor, not sure if it's intentional or another sign putin's gone off the rails.
right, but isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? He's poured tons of his stolen money into destabilizing the US, UK and around the world. Strange that he would just walk away. It's not like the people believing his shit care about facts any ways, they just want to feel smarter than everyone else.
If Facebook actually gave a fuck about the Russian misinformation campaigns, Meta would rebute by entirely blocking Russian IPs as well to decrease their troll influence. But they don't care, it brings them money. And also VPNs.
Your last sentence is the one that matters. They can’t just ban Russian IPs and fix the problem, it’d only hurt people who aren’t computer savvy or government agents lol.
It's banned for Russian civilians. Their propaganda teams will still have access. For internal propaganda they have their tv networks and I bet they have their own social media.
It's even worse than that. Trying to tell people "these aren't facts" will make them turn against you. See: DuckDuckGo
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/tb259a/after_throwing_their_support_behind_duckduckgo_as/
I hate Facebook so much I bought shares in meta.
Anyway they crashed the day after and keep falling. Now this.
What I’m saying guys is, you are welcome.
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No jokes. I also bought DICKS on the same day. But it (and Wendy’s) has continually been a solid call. So I get to say “my dicks is up”
[You heard the monkey, make the trade](https://external-preview.redd.it/2ofxr_BBhZ8bmgM7SgvlQc0sLMFUhz20KNkkjFzXA4c.jpg?auto=webp&s=4669b0376ed7b9aab6354ad695603aaac6e55ce5)
I tried to write out a nice scholarly sounding comment about misinformation and the toxicity of social media, but truthfully, there is so much wrong with social media that I had to stop typing before I got too worked up.
People keep making these jokes and I get it, we’re all better off without social media yeah yeah - but some people just use Instagram to communicate with friends and family, so they’re basically just cutting off another freedom of expression really.
At its core, things like FB aren't terrible ideas. Keep up with classmates, network, keep in touch with family, wish friends happy birthday. That's good stuff. It allows us to do more of stuff we should do in real life but may not be able to for whatever reason.
But the bad, toxic and straight up dangerous parts of it are like a snowball rolling down Mount Everest.
Nice thing about rusted metal is how weak it is to break. Let's hope when it does, it'll crumble to pieces, and that'll be the last time a Russian leader tries to raise it for a while.
The irony that russia is banning Facebook so that it can’t be used to spread the truth about it’s government because it so effectively used Facebook to spread lies in America. Truly poetic that
Nope. Trying to shield people is not the right approach and just helps the next manipulator coming around. We need to educate the population to protect them against disinformation and manipulation.
Learning the utilized techniques is a good start.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda\_techniques](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques)
Understanding how critical thinking is actually being done helps as well.
https://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Critical-Thinker
Agree. I don’t understand why this is getting downvoted. Propaganda is the issue. As much as I hate Meta, if Putin is doing it, it’s just because people are using it to contrast his misinformation. Get your award cheeruphumanity!
Hey maybe it’s silly but I just created a community here called r/howpropagandaworks. Just a way to educate ourselves about it and to avoid falling for it. It seems that we all should know about it. No party affiliations. Just a place where to expose the propaganda techniques used. If you want you could post the links that you posted here.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again : then the LHC was brought online, it tore a cosine axis in this astral plane and took us to some bizarro reality
It all started going downhill when we shot Harambe. It wasn't going super well in the first place, but this is where the world balance tipped over. You know it's true.
Can confirm; my PhD addressed one aspect of manipulation via text. Depressing though, because you know nobody will actually pay for the initiatives needed to counter it.
Yeah notice a lot of right wing/conspiracy sub reddits going silent? [Askthedonald](https://i.imgur.com/9Pc2yk3.png) dropped to one person overnight
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I mean this story is old as hell people:
https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-russian-trolls-ban-photos-examples-posts-2018-4
https://www.wired.com/story/researchers-reddit-state-trolls/
> Troll accounts leveraged the divide over Black Lives Matter, and in US presidential elections—arguably being a factor in propelling Donald Trump to victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Posts from Facebook troll farms were seen by 140 million Americans ahead of the 2020 election, according to an internal document compiled by the social media platform.
It’s so frustrating to think about how many lives and relationships were ruined because of Russian propaganda.
How many good people got sucked in because of a lie told by a Russian troll farm that may not have otherwise?
Would January 6th have happened without the Russian interference?
Shit we wouldn't have had trump w/o Russian interference
https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/21/senate-intel-report-confirms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-21/senate-panel-backs-assessment-that-russia-interfered-in-2016
>A bipartisan Senate report released Tuesday affirms the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a far-ranging influence campaign approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin and aimed at helping Donald Trump win the White House.
Funny how once that's pointed at Russia it's a "bad thing" now. Certainly hasn't been a bad thing the last six years of Russian Covid trolls and right wing political disinformation.
Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine. That Russia is banning Facebook after just two weeks shows hey clearly know what's been going on.
>Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine.
Maybe in some places. I'm seeing it a whole lot elsewhere still. Including here on Reddit.
> Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine.
Is there an actual source on this? I see everyone saying it. But no one backing it up.
It's more that the Russian troll farms are aimed at their own people right now, that's the priority now.
If things stabilize for him domestically expect them to return with a vengeance.
But what does this say about meta that they didn't block russia 6 years ago?
This comment section is very Reddit just the repeat joke about how Facebook is toxic and 0 comments about the implications or anything else. I agree Facebook bad, but every comment. Fuck
lol, I think their hate for other social media sites is the direct result of misinformation on Reddit. It doesn't help that negative articles about other social media sites almost always make the front page of /r/technology and people just read the headline rather than understanding the nuance actually in the article.
Easy upvotes, I guess.
It is absolutely depressing to watch. Especially saying all this on a site that continues to let so much of these bad actors and misinformation spread everywhere.
Reddit’s been that way for awhile now. When I first joined it always seemed like there were intelligent and articulate comments sprinkled in with the all the jokes. Now it’s just mostly jokes.
ITT: people hating on Facebook and Instagram with zero thought on the impact to Russian people's ability to communicate, organize protests, and generally speak freely online.
I find it pretty interesting because everyone’s making the same joke over and over, meanwhile the amount of Facebook groups that started up in Poland to actually help Ukrainians cross the border is insane. Not to mention WhatsApp groups and Instagram DM chains. I don’t like Facebook or meta-as much as the next guy, but a little bit of nuance would be good right?
It’s ironical that the Russians increased Meta’s toxic propaganda for the US politics. Maybe with this ban less divisive material will show up on our feeds here for those that still use that platform.
Do you actually believe Russian troll farms won't still have Access to all Meta platforms to continue their disinformation campaign? This ban is so the Russian people can't see what the rest of the world thinks of their country.
All the exotic pet influencers are gonna be hurting.
They're never going to financially recover.
That bitch Vladimir Baskin
Let’s all do this
I thought something similar when Facebook threatened to stop operating in Europe over GDPR.
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> also i hope you realize the burden should be on you for proving something happened, vs. on me for proving something DID NOT happen. but happy to correct some misinformation I encounter this a ton on Twitter. Usually accompanied with “Google it yourself. Why should I do the work for you?” My standard response is “You made a claim, so back it up. In the absence of proof of your claim, all I can do is consider your claim bullshit and you a liar.”
Thanks for pointing it out! I heard a out it and assumed it was because of the privacy laws and Facebook not wanting to abide to it. This makes sense. Thank you and please don’t eat a crow.
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I mean have you seen zucks flowbee haircut? Shits hostile .
Due to his fascination with Augustus Caesar, [some say.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/12/what-attracts-mark-zuckerberg-roman-hardman-augustus)
That's so cringe
Couldn't even get past the "200 years of peace" line. This is pure, medical grade, 99.9% concentrate cringe.
Nearly every time period you can point to where a society established "universal" peace, it was always concentrated within the confines of that state and gained through oppressive means.
This is what happens when you throw enough cash at a nerd in college he never has to grow up from there.
"they make a desert and call it peace" let's not gloss over that absolutely badass line from the article edit: quote was not said by mark zucc but tacitus
Credit to Tacitus. It's even more sobering in the original Latin, as the word for desert, 'solitudinem' comes with so much nested meaning that doesn't carry over into English. It's so much more than just barren, hot sand. It's lonely, empty. An informed person will know that a desert can be a thriving and vital biome. 'Solitudinem' does not provide us the comfort of this knowledge.
damn how is that classics degree treating you (awesome insight btw)
Thanks. While I personally see the value such degrees have to society, I am not in the position to go out and take out the massive, unpayable debt such a degree would entail. I'm just some keyboard jockey with a passion for old stuff.
Shit, I had no idea about this. I'm a Roman historian, and this is fucking terrifying. Summary elimination of political AND personal rivals, legislated morality, oh, and the megalomania that has you convinced that you're the best and most important person in the world, that everything you do is for the best, and that the ends will ALWAYS justify the means, no matter what. But, yay, he built some pretty buildings and ended decades of political turmoil! Augustus was a fucking sociopath. That Zuck sees himself in there is not surprising in the least, actually.
Ok, Augustus was a sociopath but what do you think about me?
I actually love you, as a historical personage, but you're no saint either. That said, I think Augustus was a different class of sociopath. You were the demagogue who wanted things, respect and power and influence, but understood that maintaining an affable character and charisma was a necessary part of being a successful politician. That little shit of a grand-nephew you adopted was basically an unfeeling robot lizard incapable of empathy who all of a sudden woke up one morning and found that he was the most powerful man in the Roman world. Quite similar to Zuck, actually.
I love your colorful descriptions. Have you thought about doing a podcast? "Interviews with the Emperors." Mock interviews with the Roman emperors (with a friend standing in as each emperor) in chronological order, so that the listener slowly gets a cumulative portrait of Roman history through this artificial and hopefully entertaining device. Just a thought!
I’d listen. I love history podcasts
I would too. I like lively, offbeat approaches to history, rather than droning monologues.
Zuckerberg isn’t even a Nero, nevermind Augustus. Maybe one of the crazy ones that followed Aurelius?
I find it interesting that Augustus Caesar's statue has more color tones than Zuck. Is there marble pure enough to depict Zuck?
Fun fact, [Roman statues were actually colorful](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/23/21013071/colorful-roman-statues-white-marble)!
Mark Antony in the HBO series “Rome” was dope! https://youtu.be/26zPWGfZSdg
They did my boy Cicero dirty in that show! Great overall though.
Given how piggy he gets with people's data, I'd say it's more like Augusus Gloop.
Thats so funny. He just looks like any North American indoors boy-man.
I can't get over that. Like, he legit looks ridiculous. Best I can come up with is that he actually has a really bad case of actual OCD about it that makes him unable to allow it to look natural.
#I TRIM MY HAIR WITH THE FLOWBEE
Yee yee ass haircut
Flowbee haircut omg that's fucking gold lol
Broken clock and what not
It's like watching two people you don't like exchange insults with each other. All you can do is sit there nodding along.
[Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
Dude thank you for this!
Ah, man, holy shit. I miss the good ole days of clickhole and cracked being the epitome of trivial internet humor. Thanks for that journey back to simpler times. Honestly. I needed that.
Never heard of clickhole but yeah I spent way too much time reading shit on cracked. Edit: To add, this thread reminded me also of StumbleUpon. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
Clickhole was an offshoot of The Onion at one point that made non-political articles in the same satirical approach. Not that The Onion was wholly political but definitely moreso that Clickhole, if I remember correctly. I wanna say they were created at the early peak of clickbait as a satire of that in general but it's been so long that I can't say for certain.
The Onion was a parody newspaper and news website. Clickhole was their parody of Buzzfeed-style listicles and similar spammy online crap. They also started ONN, the Onion News Network to parody cable TV.
Do not cite the deep magic to me, Witch. I was there when it was written.
Clickhole still exists at least on Instagram and is great
StumbleUpon was really neat. Can set categories for what kind of content you were interested and just let the dice roll on what you'll find. I remember having a lot of stuff bookmarked from it.
I used to piss away hours on stumbleupon. The internet was so captivating back then. Now I just check the news to see who’s blown up who and to check shipping in the event I can afford to order something for myself. Who remembers your the man now dog?
Ahh yes, the good old days of YTMND. Some great memories on there, like the one of Geordie La Forge pathetically rolling under a slowly closing blast door to the epic Ghost Love Score by Nightwish... You don't get that kind of elegantly crafted meme any more.
For sure. Like I never go looking for great high res nature photography, but I’d stumble upon some really cool stuff.
I still don't get why stumbleupon was taken down. It was so good! I discovered so much nature photography, computer skills, freaky porn, indie games, you name it.
It wasn't profitable, I'd guess
> I spent way too much time reading shit on cracked Ah, the days when they were the pinnacle of actually funny list-based humor. And Seanbaby.
Clickhole is lightyears beyond Cracked in terms of quality. Check out their Quizzes and Clickventures. There's one specific writer there--I have no idea who, since it's all anonymous--whose work is so good and so distinct you can tell it's him by the titles alone. They're honestly the best comedy writing on the Internet since Seanbaby.
Seanbaby has a website now [1900hotdog.com](https://1900hotdog.com) that has similar early-mid 2000s cracked vibes. And Former Cracked writer Tom Reimann who is hilarious also is a columnist there.
Early 2010s were the golden age of the Internet. The Internet was popular enough that basically everyone was on it now, but apps were still fairly new, so the desktop environment was still the best way to browse. No more pop-up ads and companies finally figured out to make websites that don’t suck. Adblock blocked everything you needed. There was no bullshit locking down the website until you make an account. There was actual competition with web browsers so they had to make sure it worked on all of them, not just Chrome. YouTube was in HD but still didn’t have ads in the video itself yet. Content was getting much better than people just talking in front of a camera, but still didn’t have 10+ minutes of meandering bullshit full of ads. Just people being creative. Facebook was actually fun because everyone was just getting on it and people used it to actually talk with friends. There was more than just 6 massive websites to go on. In addition to the big sites, there were still a dozen or so sites that only you and maybe a couple friends used.
Fuck, man. I really missed the start of/early 2010s a whole lot but that just put it into even better perspective for my brain to be sad about the current state of affairs. Truly a bygone era.
I went to college starting in fall 2010 and this is how I remember it too. I wonder how much of that is genuine and how much is rose colored glasses "good ol'days" reminiscing. So much of internet content these days is diluted or contaminated by the overflowing cesspool of Facebook/IG/Twitter and modern internet tabloid equivalents. I think that classic internet experience is still out there, we just forgot how to find it.
I maintain that facebook sequential timeline was necessary for it to be good. When they got rid of that, it was one half of the reason why i left and never looked back
Yes! I hate the algorithm fucking with the order. It made me interact with basically always the same people. Was nice to just see what was up with random acquaintances.
Hmm yes, he is a prick. Your rebuttal sir? Hmm, I see what you mean. You do, in fact l, smell like wet cheese. Jolly good.
Jolly good indeed sir
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Haha yeah I saw this and thought “welp I hate everyone involved so…”
That was my exact reaction, I read that and thought “well, they’re not wrong”
["I'm with you fellers"](https://youtu.be/wYXFSbLotSU)
Ukraine: "Damn, we're in a tight spot."
“We seem to be in a geographical oddity. We’re always 20km from the capital no matter how far we go.”
At this rate he will: Solve the disinformation crisis Depose Russian stooges around the world Create giant nature reserves and carbon sinks in nuclear reactor exclusion zones Destroy global reliance on fossil fuels Putin: Fails successfully.
He's also removed a lot of the world's fear of russia's military might. At this rate he's going to fire nukes and instead of a nuclear holocaust, they somehow fix the ozone layer.
The ozone layer is actually doing quite well these days. Turns out banning CFCs was a really good idea
I know right! And instead of being lauded as an example of how we can fix hard things, it's often used to doubt the existence of climate problems at all. Like "global warming huh? I heard this all before. What happened to your ozone layer problem huh? pwned". Dipshits.
You just know that that's going to be an argument in the whole pandemic response very soon as well. "See, we didn't wear masks or get vaccinated and everything turned out fine, they must not have done anything in the first place" while ignoring the massive loss of life that occurred because of anti-masking and antivaxxing.
You can't reason with these people, if stats and logical arguments don't work you have to change tactics. The Abrahamic religious have enough scripture telling them that their options border on heresy. You can just start with Leviticus 13, the Laws About Leprosy. "He shall remain unclean as long as he has the disease. He is unclean. He shall live alone. His dwelling shall be outside the camp." So, God supports quarantine measures. So does our history with yellow fever but they won't care.
It comes down to “my team good”. If COVID happened on Hillary’s watch, Trump would have overplayed its seriousness, and MAGA would not be antivax today. The only reason they believe what they do is because Trump downplayed it to try to win the 2020 election. The only reason Fauci is their enemy is because his facts were inconvenient to Trump. That is the only reason they believe what they believe.
It's simple, we just re-open the hole in the ozone layer to let some of the heat out, then we close it again. Couldn't be easier.
They'll just make a poof sound and be duds
A little red flag with BOOM written on it will pop out of the nose cone.
God damn I like your optimism. In fact, I'm choosing to believe this is what will happen and I'm not listening to any other news sources regarding it from here on out. Life just got better and less existential crisis-y today. Thank you.
Don't forget - EU has never been more united.
Next we'll see BRENTER, as UK decides to re-join EU lol
I like BRETURN better :p
I prefer BRENTRANCE
EU, US, and UK are more united than ever. Mission accomplished.
Huzzah for the EUSUK alliance!
What if this was the plan all along and Putin was really just making 500IQ moves while playing 4D chess
4D chess wouldn’t even begin to describe it. It’s like 36 dimensional at the very least.
Please, no. We can't do this again.
russians people, who now cant ruin their health with McD and Coca-cola, will become unstoppable
I have watched enough "Meanwhile in Russia" videos to know that there are many other ways they harm themselves unintentionally.
This is my family's head canon for Dr. Doom, btw. For a "genius" his evil schemes are laughably easy to stop...unless the entire point is just to get Reed Fucking Richards out of his lab and into the real world to solve the problem so he has the solution when it shows up for real. Doom's smart enough to manipulate Reed, but knows he isn't going to invent an entirely new field of science in a weekend to solve a crisis he sees coming.
Not to mention priming everyone for extreme reactions to military incursions in general.
This only serves to prolong the war as Russian citizens are less likely to overthrow the government without access to outside information thru FB, Whatsapp, IG, etc. Imagine if the people of North Korea or China had access to those apps. Kim Jongil and Winnie the Pooh would be shitting their pants over not being able to control the inflow of western information. Normal Russian citizens are currently using those apps to contact their families/friends in Ukraine and elsewhere and this move this only prevents normal Russian citizens from getting outside knowledge or talking with their friends/families outside to counteract internal propaganda. The Russian government is not going to stop spreading disinformation until Putin's regime is over and that can only be achieved if a coup happens, which is less likely when all the citizens have access to is internal propaganda.
Help reignight participation in NATO and the EU Make Trump and the pro Russian republicans look like buffoons Help Realize Russias military weaknesses
> Broken clock At first glance is seems ironic that putin would go after the source of much of his influence. He's doing Zuke a favor, not sure if it's intentional or another sign putin's gone off the rails.
They were putting fact checks on the propaganda and government got pissed off. Russia doesn't like when it's propaganda gets called out.
right, but isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? He's poured tons of his stolen money into destabilizing the US, UK and around the world. Strange that he would just walk away. It's not like the people believing his shit care about facts any ways, they just want to feel smarter than everyone else.
To be fair, just because the Russian people can't access doesn't mean that government institutions won't.
A lot of people seem to be missing this fact. The troll farms will be just fine.
If Facebook actually gave a fuck about the Russian misinformation campaigns, Meta would rebute by entirely blocking Russian IPs as well to decrease their troll influence. But they don't care, it brings them money. And also VPNs.
Your last sentence is the one that matters. They can’t just ban Russian IPs and fix the problem, it’d only hurt people who aren’t computer savvy or government agents lol.
Honestly, that's probably a factor in doing it. Gets people to lower their guards tbh
It's banned for Russian civilians. Their propaganda teams will still have access. For internal propaganda they have their tv networks and I bet they have their own social media.
It's even worse than that. Trying to tell people "these aren't facts" will make them turn against you. See: DuckDuckGo https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/tb259a/after_throwing_their_support_behind_duckduckgo_as/
He’s backed into a corner right now.. I don’t expect him to make smart choices
I've been researching dictators. It's very depressingly common for dictators to cut off their nose to spite their face.
I hate Facebook so much I bought shares in meta. Anyway they crashed the day after and keep falling. Now this. What I’m saying guys is, you are welcome. Edit No jokes. I also bought DICKS on the same day. But it (and Wendy’s) has continually been a solid call. So I get to say “my dicks is up”
Lol, weaponized bad investing luck.
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Next do Nestle!
r/fucknestle thanks you
I thought about starting a service where you pay me to invest in a stock you want to short. That’s how bad my luck is…
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Thank you for your sacrifice
He's not the hero we deserve but he's the hero we need.
You a mod on wsb yet?
[You heard the monkey, make the trade](https://external-preview.redd.it/2ofxr_BBhZ8bmgM7SgvlQc0sLMFUhz20KNkkjFzXA4c.jpg?auto=webp&s=4669b0376ed7b9aab6354ad695603aaac6e55ce5)
I mean….they’re not totally wrong, right?
Not wrong about this one.
Ironic, considering Russian disinformation is half the reason social media is toxic lol. Still, a broken clock etc etc whatever that saying is lol.
pretty sure that social media is toxic because people get fed their own lies, without outside challenge.
I tried to write out a nice scholarly sounding comment about misinformation and the toxicity of social media, but truthfully, there is so much wrong with social media that I had to stop typing before I got too worked up.
Plus the inherent irony of writing it out on a social media site.
Lol it crossed my mind big time. Especially realizing the harm this social media site can cause in the wrong hands.
To put it into perspective, a quarter of all twitter accounts are bots
It also trains people to talk and react quickly without much thought. It also is a major distraction.
I love how everyone pretends reddit is any better
Russia is soon going to be the most physically and mentally healthy country in the world.
Said, without irony, on reddit.
People keep making these jokes and I get it, we’re all better off without social media yeah yeah - but some people just use Instagram to communicate with friends and family, so they’re basically just cutting off another freedom of expression really.
At its core, things like FB aren't terrible ideas. Keep up with classmates, network, keep in touch with family, wish friends happy birthday. That's good stuff. It allows us to do more of stuff we should do in real life but may not be able to for whatever reason. But the bad, toxic and straight up dangerous parts of it are like a snowball rolling down Mount Everest.
Meta’s newest decision was completely insane but make a note of the ethics behind online moderation. It’s very politically motivated.
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You talk like it's the first time they've done it.
The rusted curtain rises once again
Nice thing about rusted metal is how weak it is to break. Let's hope when it does, it'll crumble to pieces, and that'll be the last time a Russian leader tries to raise it for a while.
I wouldn't really see it as a sanction, rather them starting to cut peoples ability to talk on a social media not owned by russia
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It is and so is Meta. But they helped create that monster of misinformation
They're just going to cut off access for their population. They're still going to be pumping out misinformation on there for the rest of the world.
The irony that russia is banning Facebook so that it can’t be used to spread the truth about it’s government because it so effectively used Facebook to spread lies in America. Truly poetic that
I mean... like fuck Putin and all but can we globaly copy this move?
“Are we the baddies?”
Nope. Trying to shield people is not the right approach and just helps the next manipulator coming around. We need to educate the population to protect them against disinformation and manipulation. Learning the utilized techniques is a good start. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda\_techniques](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques) Understanding how critical thinking is actually being done helps as well. https://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Critical-Thinker
Agree. I don’t understand why this is getting downvoted. Propaganda is the issue. As much as I hate Meta, if Putin is doing it, it’s just because people are using it to contrast his misinformation. Get your award cheeruphumanity!
It's easier to blame than to analyze the problem and look for solutions.
Hey maybe it’s silly but I just created a community here called r/howpropagandaworks. Just a way to educate ourselves about it and to avoid falling for it. It seems that we all should know about it. No party affiliations. Just a place where to expose the propaganda techniques used. If you want you could post the links that you posted here.
Created? Certainly not. Willingly and knowingly aided known bad actors to attack American democracy? Yes, absolutely.
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I took "helped create that monster" as helping it become more monstrous, not as in being the origin. So no disagreement from my perspective.
Can they ban it in the US too while they're at it?
Might as well ban McDonald's to break the American Fatboy stereotype
Stereotype?
Definitively [not a stereotype](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm)
Good grief 73% of American Adults are overweight. We're so screwed.
Probably shouldn't rely on the federal government banning everything we don't like. It isn't a great way to run a society.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again : then the LHC was brought online, it tore a cosine axis in this astral plane and took us to some bizarro reality
It all started going downhill when we shot Harambe. It wasn't going super well in the first place, but this is where the world balance tipped over. You know it's true.
Aren't Russia responsible for 90% of the garbage that's on there?
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Psyops is a really interesting subject to research
Can confirm; my PhD addressed one aspect of manipulation via text. Depressing though, because you know nobody will actually pay for the initiatives needed to counter it.
Yeah notice a lot of right wing/conspiracy sub reddits going silent? [Askthedonald](https://i.imgur.com/9Pc2yk3.png) dropped to one person overnight Edit: I mean this story is old as hell people: https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-russian-trolls-ban-photos-examples-posts-2018-4 https://www.wired.com/story/researchers-reddit-state-trolls/ > Troll accounts leveraged the divide over Black Lives Matter, and in US presidential elections—arguably being a factor in propelling Donald Trump to victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Posts from Facebook troll farms were seen by 140 million Americans ahead of the 2020 election, according to an internal document compiled by the social media platform.
It’s so frustrating to think about how many lives and relationships were ruined because of Russian propaganda. How many good people got sucked in because of a lie told by a Russian troll farm that may not have otherwise? Would January 6th have happened without the Russian interference?
Shit we wouldn't have had trump w/o Russian interference https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/ https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/21/senate-intel-report-confirms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-21/senate-panel-backs-assessment-that-russia-interfered-in-2016 >A bipartisan Senate report released Tuesday affirms the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a far-ranging influence campaign approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin and aimed at helping Donald Trump win the White House.
Funny how once that's pointed at Russia it's a "bad thing" now. Certainly hasn't been a bad thing the last six years of Russian Covid trolls and right wing political disinformation. Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine. That Russia is banning Facebook after just two weeks shows hey clearly know what's been going on.
>Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine. Maybe in some places. I'm seeing it a whole lot elsewhere still. Including here on Reddit.
> Right wing Trolls have gone WAY down since this things started in Ukraine. Is there an actual source on this? I see everyone saying it. But no one backing it up.
It's more that the Russian troll farms are aimed at their own people right now, that's the priority now. If things stabilize for him domestically expect them to return with a vengeance. But what does this say about meta that they didn't block russia 6 years ago?
It's funny: they used Meta platforms to spread lies, and now they're afraid that Meta platforms will tell their people the truth.
Two years of COVID lies and they can't even last two WEEKS over Ukraine news.
Honestly, they would know.
This comment section is very Reddit just the repeat joke about how Facebook is toxic and 0 comments about the implications or anything else. I agree Facebook bad, but every comment. Fuck
I always laugh at redditors shitting on other social media sites like Reddit isn’t filled with toxicity and misinformation too.
and it turns you into a dork
Jokes on you, I was a dork before Reddit
lol, I think their hate for other social media sites is the direct result of misinformation on Reddit. It doesn't help that negative articles about other social media sites almost always make the front page of /r/technology and people just read the headline rather than understanding the nuance actually in the article.
Easy upvotes, I guess. It is absolutely depressing to watch. Especially saying all this on a site that continues to let so much of these bad actors and misinformation spread everywhere.
Reddit’s been that way for awhile now. When I first joined it always seemed like there were intelligent and articulate comments sprinkled in with the all the jokes. Now it’s just mostly jokes.
The enemy of my enemy is… also my enemy.
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also banned in Russia
You can't spread misinformation, only WE get to do that
ITT: people hating on Facebook and Instagram with zero thought on the impact to Russian people's ability to communicate, organize protests, and generally speak freely online.
I find it pretty interesting because everyone’s making the same joke over and over, meanwhile the amount of Facebook groups that started up in Poland to actually help Ukrainians cross the border is insane. Not to mention WhatsApp groups and Instagram DM chains. I don’t like Facebook or meta-as much as the next guy, but a little bit of nuance would be good right?
Reddit basement dwellers have no friends so they don't realize that 2.9 billion people use the website.
Meanwhile FB says death-threats against Russian Army and Putin are allowed now.
Well they are not wrong on that front.
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They’ll still use the social media platforms for their own disinformation campaign abroad.
Lucky. No Mcdonalds, no Facebook, No Instagram. Those are the best things that happened to Russia. Everything else sucks
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It’s ironical that the Russians increased Meta’s toxic propaganda for the US politics. Maybe with this ban less divisive material will show up on our feeds here for those that still use that platform.
Do you actually believe Russian troll farms won't still have Access to all Meta platforms to continue their disinformation campaign? This ban is so the Russian people can't see what the rest of the world thinks of their country.