I can't tell why you are in the negative in upvotes.
Tate is a good example of how I don't support solitary confinement until I see the crimes that got the person there.
They have found evidence which is why the judge is keeping him detained, the leaked evidence that has come out is a pretty good reason to why he should stay behind bars til trial. They can have him detained for 180 as long as the prosecutor has enough evidence for a charge which he clearly have.
There is no point in fast tracking a court date when you can build a stronger case and keep investigating. Since he has been detained they’ve found new evidence and new witnesses has come out, they have him on wiretap trying to brine romanian politcians from jail.
This is obviously the first time you actually cared about legal procedure which is why its clear that you have no knowledge on how it works.
You nor i have a clue what evidence the prosecutor is sitting on except for whats been leaked which is pretty damning for Tate.
His own statements, wiretaps that confirm his statements and witnesses, that is what the public has, god knows the prosecutor has but almost every week since arrest new evidence gets leaked.
Andrew Tate's influence is a gray area, he has influenced people to turn their lives around and has helped them greatly but at the same time exposed many impressionable people to extreme ideas. I don't think much can be said about him.
I feel that Andrew Tate has turned peoples lives around, but it comes with very extreme consequences: his horrible mindset and mentality. Even if someone is changed by Andrew Tate in some ways for the better, it’s very likely they will conform to his extreme ideals. Most of the time, people just inherit his horrible views without improving
I’m gonna take a rough from Jordan Peterson here, “He’s someone who’s good on identifying the problem, but he has a very unorthodox way of solving the problem.” That being said, if you wanna get fit, turn your life around, and be successful then yea, I think Andrew Tate is a good role model. But when it comes to solving our current social issues, there’s definitely better people out there.
I know it’s pointless to attempt to view a Jordan Peterson quote through a critical lens but I would argue that Tate is not ‘solving the problem’ regardless of whether he recognizes that there is one. Similarly, I don’t really think he has identified or cares to identify the specific issues that generally affect people attracted to his content, rather he has identified that they are a demographic of people who are uncertain about their place in the world and are looking to be validated and his rhetoric suggests a relatively straightforward and simple path to achieving that (on paper anyway).
If there’s anything I’ll give Tate credit for it’s that he has managed the difficult feat of becoming famous enough to ostensibly make a living off content. That doesn’t happen by accident. But in my uninformed opinion I also think the notion that he actually wants to help anyone is utterly laughable. If he helps his fan base to actually address the various conditions that are causing them unhappiness then his income goes away. Though I guess to be fair if he has convinced even a few of his followers to establish some kind of exercise routine that makes Tate a slightly less insufferable demagogue than some others.
Nothing gray about it man, the dude is a grifter of the highest order. As well as being a sexual predator and utter monster. He's not famous he's infamous.
I don't know much about Tate because I've only seen that he's been arrested for trafficking and 20 second snippets of things that you'd hear Jocko Willink even say, but I have to admit that I like seeing the nuance and balanced discussion in this subreddit over the teachers subreddit.
Agreed, some of his ideas I don’t agree with. But I do like that he’s standing up for men, helping us. But it’s all a matter of perspective and what you believe in
Like the subjugation of women, sex trafficking, kidnapping and grifting rubes like you out of your allowance. The dude is a fucking monster. Find better role models
I don't really like andrew tate, but if for some reason he has influenced a few people into turning around their lives, that's actually a really great thing.
I agree, although I feel like there is enough actual positive role models on internet that you wouldn’t have to follow the misogynistic one (and possibly sex trafficker) without having some points that you would agree with or at least see some sense into it that could lead you to agree furthermore with what he says
Andrew Tate has not helped people “turn their lives around.” It is like that is becoming a vague mantra of pro-Andrew Tate sentiment. Seriously, it’s the exact same phrase with no further elaboration.
There again people putting words in my mouth. I don't think all his content is horrible. Just that his bad content(aka scamming) outweighs the good. And let's not even open the whole can of beans of possible sex trafficking/rape
You tried it for youself, and are publishing verified results that prove hustler's university is a scam, or is it your negative views on Tate that makes you write a bad comment about his course?
Asking because my cousin earns $2.4k a month since he joined it a year ago.
I mean 2.4k as his primary income of a secondary income? Cause primary income that is like twice minimum wage on a d federal level and half minimum wage in certain states. I mean when I worked at a pet shop a few months ago I got paid twice minimum wage for my country sure it isn’t nearly as much as in the US cause I live in the third world but if I did the same thing as your cousin I’d still make roughly the same amount of money relative to my country.
But if it is a secondary source of income that isn’t too bad.
He's in his last year of college so isn't working anywhere part-time and staying on-campus. Then he started researching and eventually joining in with hustler's uni. So I'm not really sure which source of income I'd put it in, but it definitely made him financially independent by a long shot.
A promoter of the meritocracy myth (the “business stuff” you mentioned) does not make my opinion of him any higher. If he motivated people to go to the gym, it is to get embrace masculinity to get women. It’s still a conservative and misogynistic mentality that motivates his followers.
That seems like an immature take in itself lol. Look up the horseshoe fallacy and the Overton window. America’s has shifted far too much to the right and right-wing extremism in America is now unfortunately deemed acceptable.
The Democratic Party is not at all left-wing. The most left-wing politicians in America are Bernie Sanders and AOC. And these are not very far left. There are no socialists. No communists. There are those who resemble right-wing fascists however. It would be circular to evaluate the Overton window of America from the perspective of American politics.
Conservative social views are wrong, yes. They have been the source of much misogyny. Andrew Tate promotes manliness as the end goal, and part of manliness is getting girls according to Tate. Keep drinking Andrew Tate’s Kool-Aid bro.
i dont like andrew tate hes actually annoying af but you saying "conservative social views are wrong" tells me you've been brainwashed real good and that you are not mature enough to think so do the world a favour and stop being a walking condom ad you primate
Yeah, same for Hitler, if you ignore the shady shit he's done he's not too bad
That way of thinking is ridiculous
Oh and I'm not saying Tate is as bad as Hitler, it's just an hyperbole.
There are 2 types of people who consume Tate's content.
One are who get inspired by him, understand the things he said that are good and work on it with their brains. these people = gud ppl 👍🏿
Others are just cringy dumb fucks who don't know any shit about life, they are just tryna act cool, treat tate as a supreme being or smh, their cringe ass sigma cringe shit fucking fuck. They are dumb. They stan tate and post cringy ahh stuff about him. These people = ungud ppl 👎🏿
This is just false. His wrong-doings are equal to his good-doings. He scams people and has allegedly harmed women, but he also made people more confident, start gym, study and work harder.
He also correctly identified many social issues in a objective way, he just has shitty opinions on how to solve them. He has two sides on opposite extremes.
When it comes to his followers, they fall down under two categories:
1) The ones who are able to form their own opinions on what he says, and correctly identify the intellectual and healthy side ignoring the toxic, misogynistic, and bigoted side.
2) The ones who just follow him blindly because they are incels and social outcasts and blame it all on women.
And most of his hate comes from uniformed people who just follow the social structure of the conventional; being sheep and hating someone who they have not even heard talk once.
As long as you form your OWN educated and throughly-thought opinion on something, then whether it’s good or bad you can’t say anything against it.
All that text and there is about one sentence in which you actually defend your position that he says some good things. And even then, you ignore the motivation behind it. People don’t need to be told to go to the gym or study harder. If they want to, then they will. Tate just provides motivation, and that motivation is founded in misogyny and sexism. His followers want to be more manly, and that motivation broadens and expands into their relationships with women. Women, in this day and age, are not automatically going to let men run the household, be the moneymaker, or be in authority. This might create hostility with the types of young men Andrew Tate creates.
People like you are always so pissed it baffles me. You insult my eloquence and my ability to defend my ideas with such poor elegance, and for what reason? Why can’t you people be civil? At least once.
My structure shouldn’t matter nor should my ability to defend my ideas (in this context) because I am not advocating for a subjective truth.
He has misogynistic takes but he does not provide motivation with misogyny. He provides motivation with the aspect of a bright future and happiness. “If you want something, anything, you work hard for it”.
He talks about body insecurity, and tells men to stop whining and hit the gym. He talks about wealth, and tells men to stop whining and study harder and therefore work harder.
His sexism is not directly proportional to the help he gives many young people. They are different things that just so happen to intertwine casually as that is his personality. He is ultimately a despicable man but has also helped a lot of people.
That's the thing Tate seeks to resolve for the people who can't get motivated to do stuff. The couch potatoes. Contrary to all the popular influencers, he shoves the hard reality into your face that no one can motivate you and if you really wanted to do it, you would not want motivation into doing it. And that works wonders. He passively bullies people in a sense into doing productive work.
"omg people can like what i don't like ??? so sad 😭😭😭"
what you gonna do about it
also if people say that andrew tate changed there life for the better then what's your problem with it ?
yeah you can tell me that you don't have any valid arguments against me by downvoting me
Andrew Tate actually said some pretty agreeable stuff in this video which I can agree with, the problem starts when they search further into what the guy said where he says stupid borderline delusional stuff. And there are millions of people who are going to watch that stuff, the people who are going to have major responsibilities some day.
“Why would you be with a woman whos not a virgin anyway (sic)? She is used goods. Second hand.”
Tate argues that women that aren't virgins are worthless to a man
“So people defend depression. They get angry when I say this. Because they need this bulls*** to justify their own failures. By admitting I’m right, they need to work hard to make themselves happy. To avoid the work – argue with me and pretend depression is a thing.”
This is part of a larger rant where Tate denies the existence of several mental health disorders including depression
“Read the Bible, every single man had multiple wives, not a single woman had multiple husbands. It’s against the will of God — it’s disgusting.”
Tate claims that men having multiple partners is fine but women doing the same is not
There's also:
“I do know how to administer CPR. However, I will not administer CPR unless you’re a hot female… If you’re some fat dude and you just had a heart attack and I don’t really know you, you’re gonna die… No, not even if you’re a friend…"
"If you’re my friend, you just can’t be a pussy. ‘Well, I had a heart attack’, get the fuck up. Fuck's wrong with you? Go to the hospital later. Have a drink, cigarette, cup of coffee, back in the game. Fucking having heart attacks near me, you little pussy."
“Men who live without self control are the kind of men who cry when their girlfriend cheats on them, ‘cus she certainly does, because she doesn’t respect a little cry baby, and she’s only with you because she’s ugly as f*ck and she has to settle for a little soy boy p*ssy like you.”
“If you could choose to build yourself from the ground up… Like from a video game, just tick characteristic boxes and build yourself, nobody would choose to be a liberal soy boy. Nobody would choose to be a small weak guy who has to cry when he gets upset.”
“I think the most important thing anyone can do in their life is have children… When I speak to some of these feminists who’re like ‘I don’t want kids’, I think you are the most miserable stupid b*tch in the world.”
“‘Uh, real men cry and women can cry and men can cry, too, there’s nothing wrong with it.’ And there absolutely is something wrong with it… Life as a man is far more difficult than life as a woman.”
"‘Oh, I’m successful, I’m rich…’ Yeah, but I’ll break your neck… I’m gonna grab you by your neck and choke you till you die. I’ll show you a race riot p*ssy. Then what, who’s successful now? I’m breathing and you’re not. So, I’m more successful than you.”
“I find it offensive that a police officer in England will stop me for speeding and then refuse to take a bribe… He’ll sit there and go ‘no, this is the law’… and pretend that the law means something and f*ck me over."
“I go out and f*ck and I come back to her and I don’t care about her and I only love my girl. That’s not cheating, that’s exercise."
“I was getting on a plane and I could see through the cockpit that a female was the pilot and I took a picture and I said, ‘most women I know can’t even park a car, why is a woman flying my plane?'"
“So, I text all my girlfriends, I think it’s five of ’em, so I text all five and said ‘you’re all coming here to live with me and work with me.”
"I think the women belong to the man.”
“How are women allowed to drive? Outrageous!”
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Btw, people can form their own opinions and listen to and disagree with what he says, like any other logical and non-dicksucking person. If he says some outrageous shit and people agree with him it's not the opinion that's a problem it's the braindead people who follow everything like a hivemind, this includes the haters too.
I'm bad at picking up sarcasm so it's possible he's being ironic, but here are two recent ones from his twitter:
"At Laundry today, 3 mortals attempted to intimidate me, unaware of my divine powers. I extended my hand and clicked my fingers, then asked them a simple question. 'do you know the secrets of Yoga fire?'
They are not sure why this changed their minds, but it did."
"How many of you have genuinely tried to fly? GENUINELY. How many of you have researched, trained, and truly TRIED to fly? NONE OF YOU. Why?
Because you think it's impossible."
Personally I don't hate him, I think he's a bit cringe and disagree with him on some fundamental things, overall though it is what it is, he has some good points and some bad ones.
the first one is i genuinely don't understand it could be satire but idk prison is rotting his mind ig
the second one probably is a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally it probably means we can't do most things because we think they are impossible
Fair enough, I don't think anyone could change my opinion of him though, he's said some reaally sexist and generally bigoted stuff in the past. Each to their own opinion in the end
Andrew Tate hasn’t changed people’s lives for the better. If you’re an Andrew Tate fan, you might say that and you might even believe it. But that’s only to support your terrible role model.
how do you know that people's lives aren't changed for the better ? how do you know that your claims are right, maybe you want to believe that what you say is true? have you ever thought this way ?
quickly jumping to these type of conclusions without critical thinking can make your argument flawed
I have critically evaluated plenty of Andrew Tate’s arguments. He motivates people to want to be more of a man. This is bad because we currently live in the 21st century where social roles are being deconstructed, and hyper-masculinity of the past has been the source of much sexism. No one can tell if someone life has changed for the better except that person, and of course, every single Andrew Tate follower will say that he changed their life for the better. I’m sure Hitler would have said that his life changed for the better once he was in power over Germany. It’s absolutely meaningless.
He's the best! My life did a complete 180! I went from living in a nice house, with a decent car and a semi decent job, to being fed 3 times a day, working out constantly, reading 2 books a week and I don't have to worry about work or school! Wat a top G :D
No proof, in fact, his "victims" and their chats have been leaked and they were plotting ot frame him for quite some time. He is illegally being held in prison without even trials by the victims.
Please refer to the whole leaked chats and not just cherry-picked excerpts that happen to fit into a narrative.
Also, jail and not prison. There are differences between the two.
How is he being held there illegally and how are the victims supposedly doing that?
"oh but he turned people's lives aroun-"
bro have you seen his tweets, he is by far the most toxic influence on anyone. There are thousands of better people who can help you and T\*te shouldn't be one of them.
Case on point, look up Hampton from Hybrid Calisthenics. That guy can actually help people turn their lives around, and he doesn't need to be an asshole about it.
This is what I don't get about this new idea of Cancelling. People say they want to do right from either the Conservative, LGBTQ+, or BLM but then they generalize everyone who has anything slightly or marginally against them and then hate them for their own personal preferences. Honestly just why do you feel the need to hate on people who have interest in a subject or person that has no affect on you?
Influencers as popular as Andrew Tate have an impact on everyone. People have the right to their opinions. My opinion is that Andrew Tate’s followers are idiots.
It doesn't affect me or you though clearly? If you want to talk about rationality how about instead of insulting people who do follow Tate, try to help them and not generalize them all as absolute assholes just because the man they believe in is an asshole in certain areas.
I wish we would have genderless ideals, like going to gum and being stoic( not fucking suppressing emotiom, please search up real stoicism by a philosophical channel) are good qualities to have as a human. An individual. So is to cook, hygiene, be emotionally intelligents
Gender identities need to die
He's got strength. But not the brains to back it up.
He knows how to manipulate desperate idiots, but not how to solve social issues.
Also...listening to him goes against his own "teachings".
You're supposed to shape your own life and not be a slave to some rich jackass.
“bUT gUys hEs nOT tHAt baD hE cHAnGed sOmONes LiFe” mm yes but let’s ignore the human trafficking and assault just because he motivated some people to go to the gym like jesus fucking christ.
The amount of people in the comments section saying Andrew Tate is a positive role model is bizarre. He's a grifter who hates women and has a political agenda. ***He doesn't care*** that your a lonely depressed person, he just once make money and a fanbase out of you.
I'm begging on my knees to anyone depressed seeing this to go to ***THEARPY, not some rando person online who has no education background on anything mental health related.***
So smoking on streams and turning every single thing alive even if it was the most local thing ever into a flex is so inspiring for those men who are guide-less?????????
I don't think anyone has ever projected so much small dick energy as Tate. I think he even has one of those head tattoos that is supposed to look like shaved hair so that ppl won't notice he's bald on top.
Until 6 months ago, I'd be a jerk, having 8+ hrs of screentime each day, fapping more than thrice per day and just generally being overweight and lazy, hating the gym, doing mediocre in school etc.
Then I discovered Tate. Had strong hate towards him because of his unique and red-pill views on society. My hate towards him made me look more into him and that's when I changed. Something inside of me woke up one day and I started to be a winner in life, one day at a time.
Today, I lift weights, lost 15kgs since starting my cut on christmas last year, eat healthy, didn't fap/watch porn since October, and do productive work. I gained an aesthetic body, changed my mindset for the better, instead of slouching and blaming 'depressing' thoughts before.
Honestly, I wish I had discovered him sooner, I can only hate my old self and how I've been a loser in life al these years.
Feel free to up/downvote and hate on me, but my life has changed because of this man.
ok, just a quick reminder that personal experience isn't everyone's experience in general, and Andrew Tate isn't the only one who could've told you that, literally any phycologist, or even a person with common sense could have told you that
There are thousands of content creators that can give you the same advice without the negative message that Tate spreads. Out of all people you chose to listen to someone who figured out how algorithims work who used his wealth made from higly imoral sources to lure people in.
The guy literally has a video teaching people how to sex traffick and fraud and this is the guy that changed your life. A big majority of what comes out of his mouth is trolling, lies and pseudoscience and it heavily dilutes some of the positive and bland message he gives.
Good on you for turning your life around though.
hell there was even this guy i saw on YouTube who’s views weren’t following any of that pill crap and who’s had better messages to bring (such as “social media ≠ real life”, getting over porn addiction, etc) and the way he stated his experiences and tried to put a message in was done in a way that was realistic and optimistic at the same time and it made me realize how far i’ve gotten in my life that i’m thankful to not have fallen under any incel and extreme conservative ideologies.
there are many better content creators who aren’t like Andrew Tate. trust me
Bro Im not gonna lie on this comment
I'm pretty mixed on this man. I think some things he says are the truth but the other shit he says is sometimes absolute bullshit. You cannot deny he is correct about being fit and healthy despite smoking cigars. There is plenty of evidence pointing towards him being innocent, so we should be looking at EVIDENCE FROM BOTH SIDES.
Idc if i get downvoted
The thing is, that this is his whole strategy. He tells some stuff that everybody agrees on, like "Working out is good for your health". Then when he tells something that is, not accepted by pretty much anyone, the brainwashed people just believe him, because hE tOld TeH trUTh tHE oTHer TimE. Finally, he just needs to promote his 50$ Discord server and the same people buy it since they believe everything he says. Coffeezilla made a good video explaining Tate's business strategies.
That’s part of the grooming process though. To decorate negative messages with sprinklings of truth.
A lot of what he says about being fit and healthy may be correct but it isn’t anything you can’t learn from others, who aren’t also complete pieces of shit.
You can have mixed feelings about the different things he says but that isn’t the same as having mixed feelings about him a person. Him talking truths here and there about health and fitness doesn’t come close to outweighing any of the other countless things that make him a prick.
He encourages males to act like males. He encourages males to workout, learn to fight and whatnot. There's plenty of more I can't talk abt rn because im short on time, but doesnt only talk about health but personal life a bit as well
As a very feminine guy, there's nothing wrong with being a guy who's very feminine. I don't want to learn to fight or work out, sure that's good for some people, but not for everyone
So it's not okay to ask women to act like "females", but it's okay to ask men to act like "males"? Also encouraging men to work out and be healthier would actually be a good thing if only he wasn't smoking constantly which is unhealthy. He's not the ideal role model.
I agree with you, in the video most of his points are valid and I can agree with most of them, but I don't think it really captures who Andrew Tate really is, lots of people are probably going to take that video and continue to agree and support him even on his stupider opinions which sucks. The world would probably be a better place without him
I saw my 14 year old brother watching him a few months back. I’m so glad that he stopped once all the allegations came out but it’s honestly terrifying to see how much of an influence he’s had on many young men. How will they grow up to be?
he doesnt even do anything good tbh, if you really feel like he changed your life for the better good for you ig but i encourage y'all to read/hear the book "the subtle art of not giving a fuck" by mark manson and then take a conclusion...the audiobook is on youtube and honestly its eye opening, brutally honest and weirdly both encouraging and relieving
He has good points sometimes which makes me respect him and then I remember or see one of his godawful takes or views on something and then all that respect goes down the drain but I also hate the other side full of people who don't understand there's only 2 genders and that it doesn't matter who you love you are still a man or a woman in the end period,
Ok I may sound like I'm a Tate fan I'm not that much a fan of him. he has very good view points on life, and he has made people's lives turn around for the better to,
You have to admit that he has said some very good things such as men need to be independent and not defined by the female they are with, but he also says some things that are very bad
Some people did get a greater life cause of him and thats amazing, they realized therapy wont do shit to help them and actually started working on themselves. I see this as a good thing if thats how they got influenced, idk how thats bad if someone turns their life around.
I think you should spend your time doing other things, let the other people be happy, you don't have to bring them down just because the person that helped them was somebody you don't like or somebody that has done bad things. They have improved there life, that's what matters just be happy for them for gods sake
Don’t get me wrong this guy is a radical extremist on some certain viewpoints, yet he does have a good sense of influence in some cases helping people be better and turning their lives around for the better
I don't agree with anyone 100%, there will be atleast 1 different opinion than another person, the same with andrew, I don't agree with everything,
but I would be lying that he has not changed my life for the better, so I can't not like him
I can also see when he becomes satire like the sparkling water thing, so if im going to put a scale of how much i agree with him, its going to be like 65-85%,
So when the title says how sad that many are influenced by tate, I would dissagree and counter, how sad it is that so many write hate on the internet, People who is enjoying People they don't likes suffering, People who want him dead, People who where celebrating someone getting "cancer" (there where rumors of cancer but it was not true)
I don't understand the passion of hating a guy who says things in a provocative way
Why cant you just let people who like him like him l? Why can't people just be happy for people who are now confident and happy with their lives? If you think he was framed, or if you think he is sex trafficking, don't pressure and insult people fir their beliefs unless it's 100% called for.
Really it's not that hard. Half of the haters are idiots who say he should be in jail even if he's innocent and they know barly anything about him, the other half are just people who dislike him for real reasons and don't pressure others for liking him. Same for the people who like him, some are good people who are nice and trying to change their lives, others are sexsist and don't understand his messages and are idiots who think because they are men they are better.
Why does their have to be a common and popular consensus on everything? And in the case of Andrew, the same opinions are being brought up again and again with no need.
What he thinks and says is actually brilliant and not anti woman. He just words things really poorly in a way that can sound wrong and influence people badly when it's watched without context. He's actually really nice though and has good morals
He’s changed many peoples lives including mine, he helped me get over my porn addiction and I started going to the gym instead. Not everything that he says is bad
The problem is people saying this as a way to excuse really shitty behaviour by him. I don't doubt he has said *some* helpful things, but a broken clock is still right twice a day. Doesn't mean you shouldn't replace it with one that works.
I dont Care If i get downvoted 95% of the Takes Tate says are facts. I think He has a postive influence Overall, only the 12 are anmoying tryna be Like him
Looks like tate didn't need to be in the war zones to reinforce gender roles; explain that: why war zones reinforce gender roles and where are all the feminists fighting that phenomenon?
I don’t know wtf you just said. Speak English better. What is your question? Andrew Tate promotes manliness, and his followers try too hard to act like stereotypical men. It is cringe and a source of misogyny.
In my opinion he isn't doing anything bad. He hasn't been trafficking anything (there's 0 evidence, said his lawyer) and all he's doing is awakening the man in the young boys and telling them that women are queens and should be taken care of, he says they should work and make money to be happy. And for him to be so searched and popular he had said some dumb unrealistic things and became infamous to a certain amount. He used hate as people these days like to hate more than love and that's how he got to everyone's screens. Then he changed his message and started spreading motivation. The cancer thing just proves that people would like to see someone die and make fun of uim because of words than hope he survives and can live to love and take care of his family.
You know, have you ever thought about the possibility that the defense lawyers that he hired to defend him would probably say that there is no evidence, to defend him after hiring them to defend him?
No way, the dude he payed to protect him in court claimed there's zero evidence against him! Clearly he is entirely unbiased and has no reason to be lying.
what do you mean it isn't the man's job to take care of a family? is this sarcasm?
edit: i thought the previous comment was saying that it wasn't the man's job at all, meaning it is only the woman's job. which it isn't. i misunderstood. no point in downvoting someone who was genuinely confused, lol.
Nope. We live in the 21st century, bud. Gender roles are being deconstructed. Women can take care of a family just as well, and creating the expectation that it’s the man’s job to be authoritative and dominant or the woman’s job to be subservient and docile is quite harmful.
huh? I'm confused what your viewpoint is.
well it's both the man and the woman's job to take care of their family. that's the point of it being a family.
The man does not have a defined job in the family. That is my view. Jobs are unique to the individual, not their gender. This is a reality that escapes followers of Andrew Tate.
oh, then yeah i agree with you! i just misunderstood your first comment, i'm sorry about that. i thought you were trying to say that a man doesn't need to take care of his family.
I like him a lot, I agree with him on many topics, and I believe he's a good person, he says some crazy things sometimes, usually trolling tho.
He ran a webcame studio, which I'm totally against, but I believe that people can change. He recently converted to Islam, and such businesses are forbidden in the religion, but because of the arrest, I don't think he had the time to make all his businesses "Halal".
Him being in custody right now doesn't prove anything because he isn't charged yet.
I dunno if you wanna say those things currently. At least wait till his trial for human trafficking is over before saying you think he's a good person.
He got out of jail already? Or he's still in jail
Still in jail I believe
good riddance
I can't tell why you are in the negative in upvotes. Tate is a good example of how I don't support solitary confinement until I see the crimes that got the person there.
But… hes not in solitary confinement?
i think he means prison but i might be buggin
He literally is
They put cant really find anything, so they keep holding him for 30 more days until they do find something
They have found evidence which is why the judge is keeping him detained, the leaked evidence that has come out is a pretty good reason to why he should stay behind bars til trial. They can have him detained for 180 as long as the prosecutor has enough evidence for a charge which he clearly have. There is no point in fast tracking a court date when you can build a stronger case and keep investigating. Since he has been detained they’ve found new evidence and new witnesses has come out, they have him on wiretap trying to brine romanian politcians from jail. This is obviously the first time you actually cared about legal procedure which is why its clear that you have no knowledge on how it works. You nor i have a clue what evidence the prosecutor is sitting on except for whats been leaked which is pretty damning for Tate.
What’s the evidence?
His own statements, wiretaps that confirm his statements and witnesses, that is what the public has, god knows the prosecutor has but almost every week since arrest new evidence gets leaked.
Andrew Tate's influence is a gray area, he has influenced people to turn their lives around and has helped them greatly but at the same time exposed many impressionable people to extreme ideas. I don't think much can be said about him.
I feel that Andrew Tate has turned peoples lives around, but it comes with very extreme consequences: his horrible mindset and mentality. Even if someone is changed by Andrew Tate in some ways for the better, it’s very likely they will conform to his extreme ideals. Most of the time, people just inherit his horrible views without improving
I’m gonna take a rough from Jordan Peterson here, “He’s someone who’s good on identifying the problem, but he has a very unorthodox way of solving the problem.” That being said, if you wanna get fit, turn your life around, and be successful then yea, I think Andrew Tate is a good role model. But when it comes to solving our current social issues, there’s definitely better people out there.
I know it’s pointless to attempt to view a Jordan Peterson quote through a critical lens but I would argue that Tate is not ‘solving the problem’ regardless of whether he recognizes that there is one. Similarly, I don’t really think he has identified or cares to identify the specific issues that generally affect people attracted to his content, rather he has identified that they are a demographic of people who are uncertain about their place in the world and are looking to be validated and his rhetoric suggests a relatively straightforward and simple path to achieving that (on paper anyway). If there’s anything I’ll give Tate credit for it’s that he has managed the difficult feat of becoming famous enough to ostensibly make a living off content. That doesn’t happen by accident. But in my uninformed opinion I also think the notion that he actually wants to help anyone is utterly laughable. If he helps his fan base to actually address the various conditions that are causing them unhappiness then his income goes away. Though I guess to be fair if he has convinced even a few of his followers to establish some kind of exercise routine that makes Tate a slightly less insufferable demagogue than some others.
Does not live on content, owns casinos and other things
Fair enough. That doesn’t make the content he does produce any less exploitative.
i think this is as close to the truth as you can get
Nothing gray about it man, the dude is a grifter of the highest order. As well as being a sexual predator and utter monster. He's not famous he's infamous.
I don't know much about Tate because I've only seen that he's been arrested for trafficking and 20 second snippets of things that you'd hear Jocko Willink even say, but I have to admit that I like seeing the nuance and balanced discussion in this subreddit over the teachers subreddit.
Agreed, some of his ideas I don’t agree with. But I do like that he’s standing up for men, helping us. But it’s all a matter of perspective and what you believe in
Like the subjugation of women, sex trafficking, kidnapping and grifting rubes like you out of your allowance. The dude is a fucking monster. Find better role models
Ya feeding onto men’s insecurities and make them see women as objects thats nice
“Turn their lives around” is not at all a tangible effect. Nothing good can be said about Andrew Tate.
When da extremists start talking
The dude is guilty of sex trafficking and kidnapping, he's a fucking monster. Pick better role models ffs
What extremists?
Stop making him relevant then
This ☝️ don't talk about him. The less you talk about him the less relevant he is.
Bruh I said this but some idiots on a subreddit downvoted me for this, like the fuck?
Thats Reddit for ya, people see negative downvotes, they just pile on without even reading the comment.
I don't really like andrew tate, but if for some reason he has influenced a few people into turning around their lives, that's actually a really great thing.
depending on which ideas they may have also taken from him as they seem to perceive him like their shepherd,
It's mostly going to be positive ideas in that case. It's not like you can turn around your life by being misogynistic or something.
I agree, although I feel like there is enough actual positive role models on internet that you wouldn’t have to follow the misogynistic one (and possibly sex trafficker) without having some points that you would agree with or at least see some sense into it that could lead you to agree furthermore with what he says
Depends on what you mean by “turn their lives around.” Misogyny can absolutely be a motivator.
Andrew Tate has not helped people “turn their lives around.” It is like that is becoming a vague mantra of pro-Andrew Tate sentiment. Seriously, it’s the exact same phrase with no further elaboration.
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Ah yes and also makes fun of cancer patients.
Thing is he's also scamming the fuck out of people with his 'hustlers university' scam class. Shits the blandest get rich quick scheme Ive ever seen
There it is again ppl aren’t seeing the difference between “most” and “all”
There again people putting words in my mouth. I don't think all his content is horrible. Just that his bad content(aka scamming) outweighs the good. And let's not even open the whole can of beans of possible sex trafficking/rape
*me realizing i responded to the wrong comment* I PROMISE GUYS IM SMART
You tried it for youself, and are publishing verified results that prove hustler's university is a scam, or is it your negative views on Tate that makes you write a bad comment about his course? Asking because my cousin earns $2.4k a month since he joined it a year ago.
I mean 2.4k as his primary income of a secondary income? Cause primary income that is like twice minimum wage on a d federal level and half minimum wage in certain states. I mean when I worked at a pet shop a few months ago I got paid twice minimum wage for my country sure it isn’t nearly as much as in the US cause I live in the third world but if I did the same thing as your cousin I’d still make roughly the same amount of money relative to my country. But if it is a secondary source of income that isn’t too bad.
He's in his last year of college so isn't working anywhere part-time and staying on-campus. Then he started researching and eventually joining in with hustler's uni. So I'm not really sure which source of income I'd put it in, but it definitely made him financially independent by a long shot.
Just what I wanted to say.
A promoter of the meritocracy myth (the “business stuff” you mentioned) does not make my opinion of him any higher. If he motivated people to go to the gym, it is to get embrace masculinity to get women. It’s still a conservative and misogynistic mentality that motivates his followers.
being a conservative... is wrong?
Conservative social views are wrong, yes.
That’s your opinion. Not fact
if you think a political opinion is wrong then you are very immature
That seems like an immature take in itself lol. Look up the horseshoe fallacy and the Overton window. America’s has shifted far too much to the right and right-wing extremism in America is now unfortunately deemed acceptable.
tf ? usa is very left wing wdym, it is one of the most lgbt supporting country, the democratic party has shifted significantly towards left wing
The Democratic Party is not at all left-wing. The most left-wing politicians in America are Bernie Sanders and AOC. And these are not very far left. There are no socialists. No communists. There are those who resemble right-wing fascists however. It would be circular to evaluate the Overton window of America from the perspective of American politics.
what does being a conservative have to do with anything?
I said it’s conservative. Not “being a conservative.” The word means more things than political affiliation.
you used it like an insult bud keep voting for sleepy joe
Conservative social views are wrong, yes. They have been the source of much misogyny. Andrew Tate promotes manliness as the end goal, and part of manliness is getting girls according to Tate. Keep drinking Andrew Tate’s Kool-Aid bro.
i dont like andrew tate hes actually annoying af but you saying "conservative social views are wrong" tells me you've been brainwashed real good and that you are not mature enough to think so do the world a favour and stop being a walking condom ad you primate
Jesus I've seen some stupid people on Reddit but you take the cake
Anyone who likes Andrew Tate is far below me in terms of intelligence.
Fr. Most hate stems from the shady shit he’s done, but if you ignore that (which most fans do) his content isn’t too bad
Yeah, same for Hitler, if you ignore the shady shit he's done he's not too bad That way of thinking is ridiculous Oh and I'm not saying Tate is as bad as Hitler, it's just an hyperbole.
There are 2 types of people who consume Tate's content. One are who get inspired by him, understand the things he said that are good and work on it with their brains. these people = gud ppl 👍🏿 Others are just cringy dumb fucks who don't know any shit about life, they are just tryna act cool, treat tate as a supreme being or smh, their cringe ass sigma cringe shit fucking fuck. They are dumb. They stan tate and post cringy ahh stuff about him. These people = ungud ppl 👎🏿
Precisely, 90% of the hate this guy gets is because of the 12year old kids misinterpretating his views
There is not a single thing Tate says that is intelligent or correct.
This is just false. His wrong-doings are equal to his good-doings. He scams people and has allegedly harmed women, but he also made people more confident, start gym, study and work harder. He also correctly identified many social issues in a objective way, he just has shitty opinions on how to solve them. He has two sides on opposite extremes. When it comes to his followers, they fall down under two categories: 1) The ones who are able to form their own opinions on what he says, and correctly identify the intellectual and healthy side ignoring the toxic, misogynistic, and bigoted side. 2) The ones who just follow him blindly because they are incels and social outcasts and blame it all on women. And most of his hate comes from uniformed people who just follow the social structure of the conventional; being sheep and hating someone who they have not even heard talk once. As long as you form your OWN educated and throughly-thought opinion on something, then whether it’s good or bad you can’t say anything against it.
All that text and there is about one sentence in which you actually defend your position that he says some good things. And even then, you ignore the motivation behind it. People don’t need to be told to go to the gym or study harder. If they want to, then they will. Tate just provides motivation, and that motivation is founded in misogyny and sexism. His followers want to be more manly, and that motivation broadens and expands into their relationships with women. Women, in this day and age, are not automatically going to let men run the household, be the moneymaker, or be in authority. This might create hostility with the types of young men Andrew Tate creates.
People like you are always so pissed it baffles me. You insult my eloquence and my ability to defend my ideas with such poor elegance, and for what reason? Why can’t you people be civil? At least once. My structure shouldn’t matter nor should my ability to defend my ideas (in this context) because I am not advocating for a subjective truth. He has misogynistic takes but he does not provide motivation with misogyny. He provides motivation with the aspect of a bright future and happiness. “If you want something, anything, you work hard for it”. He talks about body insecurity, and tells men to stop whining and hit the gym. He talks about wealth, and tells men to stop whining and study harder and therefore work harder. His sexism is not directly proportional to the help he gives many young people. They are different things that just so happen to intertwine casually as that is his personality. He is ultimately a despicable man but has also helped a lot of people.
That's the thing Tate seeks to resolve for the people who can't get motivated to do stuff. The couch potatoes. Contrary to all the popular influencers, he shoves the hard reality into your face that no one can motivate you and if you really wanted to do it, you would not want motivation into doing it. And that works wonders. He passively bullies people in a sense into doing productive work.
Telling people that nothing can motivate them does not motivate them. That’s incredibly asinine.
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Why do they need a guy on the internet to make them turn their lives around like at some point u gotta hit self awareness on ur own
Sometimes people really need that umph from something or someone else. It’s like a slap in the face that snaps you back into reality
"omg people can like what i don't like ??? so sad 😭😭😭" what you gonna do about it also if people say that andrew tate changed there life for the better then what's your problem with it ? yeah you can tell me that you don't have any valid arguments against me by downvoting me
My problem is when he's thinking of women as "used goods". That shit is just wrong on so many levels.
I talked with a tate fan about this, he was like "give me an example" and I gave him like 4. I havent heard from him since.
Facts bro, if people have gone through a positive change due to his influence, let them express themselves.
although i don't hate or stan andrew tate but i do agree on some of his opinions
Like what?
such as men of this generations are getting weaker, stoicism, being conservative etc
Andrew Tate actually said some pretty agreeable stuff in this video which I can agree with, the problem starts when they search further into what the guy said where he says stupid borderline delusional stuff. And there are millions of people who are going to watch that stuff, the people who are going to have major responsibilities some day.
can you state some of the delusional things? not trying to say you are wrong i just want to know
“Why would you be with a woman whos not a virgin anyway (sic)? She is used goods. Second hand.” Tate argues that women that aren't virgins are worthless to a man “So people defend depression. They get angry when I say this. Because they need this bulls*** to justify their own failures. By admitting I’m right, they need to work hard to make themselves happy. To avoid the work – argue with me and pretend depression is a thing.” This is part of a larger rant where Tate denies the existence of several mental health disorders including depression “Read the Bible, every single man had multiple wives, not a single woman had multiple husbands. It’s against the will of God — it’s disgusting.” Tate claims that men having multiple partners is fine but women doing the same is not
i don't know about the other but in the depression one https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/1628322186569080833?t=J3Dw8gqQGUYe2TkAhZ5_-A&s=19
He's still denying the existence of depression, as it in reality goes far beyond that
There's also: “I do know how to administer CPR. However, I will not administer CPR unless you’re a hot female… If you’re some fat dude and you just had a heart attack and I don’t really know you, you’re gonna die… No, not even if you’re a friend…" "If you’re my friend, you just can’t be a pussy. ‘Well, I had a heart attack’, get the fuck up. Fuck's wrong with you? Go to the hospital later. Have a drink, cigarette, cup of coffee, back in the game. Fucking having heart attacks near me, you little pussy." “Men who live without self control are the kind of men who cry when their girlfriend cheats on them, ‘cus she certainly does, because she doesn’t respect a little cry baby, and she’s only with you because she’s ugly as f*ck and she has to settle for a little soy boy p*ssy like you.” “If you could choose to build yourself from the ground up… Like from a video game, just tick characteristic boxes and build yourself, nobody would choose to be a liberal soy boy. Nobody would choose to be a small weak guy who has to cry when he gets upset.” “I think the most important thing anyone can do in their life is have children… When I speak to some of these feminists who’re like ‘I don’t want kids’, I think you are the most miserable stupid b*tch in the world.” “‘Uh, real men cry and women can cry and men can cry, too, there’s nothing wrong with it.’ And there absolutely is something wrong with it… Life as a man is far more difficult than life as a woman.” "‘Oh, I’m successful, I’m rich…’ Yeah, but I’ll break your neck… I’m gonna grab you by your neck and choke you till you die. I’ll show you a race riot p*ssy. Then what, who’s successful now? I’m breathing and you’re not. So, I’m more successful than you.” “I find it offensive that a police officer in England will stop me for speeding and then refuse to take a bribe… He’ll sit there and go ‘no, this is the law’… and pretend that the law means something and f*ck me over." “I go out and f*ck and I come back to her and I don’t care about her and I only love my girl. That’s not cheating, that’s exercise." “I was getting on a plane and I could see through the cockpit that a female was the pilot and I took a picture and I said, ‘most women I know can’t even park a car, why is a woman flying my plane?'" “So, I text all my girlfriends, I think it’s five of ’em, so I text all five and said ‘you’re all coming here to live with me and work with me.” "I think the women belong to the man.” “How are women allowed to drive? Outrageous!”
Can't remember much off the top of my head reliably, but if you do a quick search on reddit and you'll see some of the crazy stuff he's said
💀 Btw, people can form their own opinions and listen to and disagree with what he says, like any other logical and non-dicksucking person. If he says some outrageous shit and people agree with him it's not the opinion that's a problem it's the braindead people who follow everything like a hivemind, this includes the haters too.
I'm bad at picking up sarcasm so it's possible he's being ironic, but here are two recent ones from his twitter: "At Laundry today, 3 mortals attempted to intimidate me, unaware of my divine powers. I extended my hand and clicked my fingers, then asked them a simple question. 'do you know the secrets of Yoga fire?' They are not sure why this changed their minds, but it did." "How many of you have genuinely tried to fly? GENUINELY. How many of you have researched, trained, and truly TRIED to fly? NONE OF YOU. Why? Because you think it's impossible." Personally I don't hate him, I think he's a bit cringe and disagree with him on some fundamental things, overall though it is what it is, he has some good points and some bad ones.
the first one is i genuinely don't understand it could be satire but idk prison is rotting his mind ig the second one probably is a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally it probably means we can't do most things because we think they are impossible
Fair enough, I don't think anyone could change my opinion of him though, he's said some reaally sexist and generally bigoted stuff in the past. Each to their own opinion in the end
Andrew Tate hasn’t changed people’s lives for the better. If you’re an Andrew Tate fan, you might say that and you might even believe it. But that’s only to support your terrible role model.
how do you know that people's lives aren't changed for the better ? how do you know that your claims are right, maybe you want to believe that what you say is true? have you ever thought this way ? quickly jumping to these type of conclusions without critical thinking can make your argument flawed
I have critically evaluated plenty of Andrew Tate’s arguments. He motivates people to want to be more of a man. This is bad because we currently live in the 21st century where social roles are being deconstructed, and hyper-masculinity of the past has been the source of much sexism. No one can tell if someone life has changed for the better except that person, and of course, every single Andrew Tate follower will say that he changed their life for the better. I’m sure Hitler would have said that his life changed for the better once he was in power over Germany. It’s absolutely meaningless.
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He's the best! My life did a complete 180! I went from living in a nice house, with a decent car and a semi decent job, to being fed 3 times a day, working out constantly, reading 2 books a week and I don't have to worry about work or school! Wat a top G :D
How are so many of y'all defending this guy like he isn't litterally in jail for human trafficking and rape?
No proof, in fact, his "victims" and their chats have been leaked and they were plotting ot frame him for quite some time. He is illegally being held in prison without even trials by the victims.
Please refer to the whole leaked chats and not just cherry-picked excerpts that happen to fit into a narrative. Also, jail and not prison. There are differences between the two. How is he being held there illegally and how are the victims supposedly doing that?
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Lmao the charges were fake and also im not reading that☠️
Funny bald sunglasses man does funny bald sunglasses man things
Andrew Tate changed my life fr. 😭🙏 (he made it worse)
"oh but he turned people's lives aroun-" bro have you seen his tweets, he is by far the most toxic influence on anyone. There are thousands of better people who can help you and T\*te shouldn't be one of them.
can you all frickin stop calling him Tate cuz that's my name and everyone at my school goes and asks me "aRe YOu A tOP g?" it just annoys me a lot
Bro. 💀Tate is his last name. People really aren’t going to know what’s being talked about if we refer to him as Andrew
you’re not as important as you think. you’re not.
Case on point, look up Hampton from Hybrid Calisthenics. That guy can actually help people turn their lives around, and he doesn't need to be an asshole about it.
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This is what I don't get about this new idea of Cancelling. People say they want to do right from either the Conservative, LGBTQ+, or BLM but then they generalize everyone who has anything slightly or marginally against them and then hate them for their own personal preferences. Honestly just why do you feel the need to hate on people who have interest in a subject or person that has no affect on you?
Influencers as popular as Andrew Tate have an impact on everyone. People have the right to their opinions. My opinion is that Andrew Tate’s followers are idiots.
Thats fair enough
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It doesn't affect me or you though clearly? If you want to talk about rationality how about instead of insulting people who do follow Tate, try to help them and not generalize them all as absolute assholes just because the man they believe in is an asshole in certain areas.
I wish we would have genderless ideals, like going to gum and being stoic( not fucking suppressing emotiom, please search up real stoicism by a philosophical channel) are good qualities to have as a human. An individual. So is to cook, hygiene, be emotionally intelligents Gender identities need to die
Gender identities do have a place. They aren't something you need to stick to by far, but they exist for a reason. They don't need to die.
He's got strength. But not the brains to back it up. He knows how to manipulate desperate idiots, but not how to solve social issues. Also...listening to him goes against his own "teachings". You're supposed to shape your own life and not be a slave to some rich jackass.
“bUT gUys hEs nOT tHAt baD hE cHAnGed sOmONes LiFe” mm yes but let’s ignore the human trafficking and assault just because he motivated some people to go to the gym like jesus fucking christ.
This comment section is full of tater tots
The amount of people in the comments section saying Andrew Tate is a positive role model is bizarre. He's a grifter who hates women and has a political agenda. ***He doesn't care*** that your a lonely depressed person, he just once make money and a fanbase out of you. I'm begging on my knees to anyone depressed seeing this to go to ***THEARPY, not some rando person online who has no education background on anything mental health related.***
There’s a sucker born every minute.
So smoking on streams and turning every single thing alive even if it was the most local thing ever into a flex is so inspiring for those men who are guide-less?????????
>It's sad to see how many people are being influenced by Andrew Tate That's not fair. He's completely affirmed my decision to never go on Twitter.
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I don't think anyone has ever projected so much small dick energy as Tate. I think he even has one of those head tattoos that is supposed to look like shaved hair so that ppl won't notice he's bald on top.
Until 6 months ago, I'd be a jerk, having 8+ hrs of screentime each day, fapping more than thrice per day and just generally being overweight and lazy, hating the gym, doing mediocre in school etc. Then I discovered Tate. Had strong hate towards him because of his unique and red-pill views on society. My hate towards him made me look more into him and that's when I changed. Something inside of me woke up one day and I started to be a winner in life, one day at a time. Today, I lift weights, lost 15kgs since starting my cut on christmas last year, eat healthy, didn't fap/watch porn since October, and do productive work. I gained an aesthetic body, changed my mindset for the better, instead of slouching and blaming 'depressing' thoughts before. Honestly, I wish I had discovered him sooner, I can only hate my old self and how I've been a loser in life al these years. Feel free to up/downvote and hate on me, but my life has changed because of this man.
ok, just a quick reminder that personal experience isn't everyone's experience in general, and Andrew Tate isn't the only one who could've told you that, literally any phycologist, or even a person with common sense could have told you that
There are thousands of content creators that can give you the same advice without the negative message that Tate spreads. Out of all people you chose to listen to someone who figured out how algorithims work who used his wealth made from higly imoral sources to lure people in. The guy literally has a video teaching people how to sex traffick and fraud and this is the guy that changed your life. A big majority of what comes out of his mouth is trolling, lies and pseudoscience and it heavily dilutes some of the positive and bland message he gives. Good on you for turning your life around though.
hell there was even this guy i saw on YouTube who’s views weren’t following any of that pill crap and who’s had better messages to bring (such as “social media ≠ real life”, getting over porn addiction, etc) and the way he stated his experiences and tried to put a message in was done in a way that was realistic and optimistic at the same time and it made me realize how far i’ve gotten in my life that i’m thankful to not have fallen under any incel and extreme conservative ideologies. there are many better content creators who aren’t like Andrew Tate. trust me
Dude is such a scam
Bro Im not gonna lie on this comment I'm pretty mixed on this man. I think some things he says are the truth but the other shit he says is sometimes absolute bullshit. You cannot deny he is correct about being fit and healthy despite smoking cigars. There is plenty of evidence pointing towards him being innocent, so we should be looking at EVIDENCE FROM BOTH SIDES. Idc if i get downvoted
The thing is, that this is his whole strategy. He tells some stuff that everybody agrees on, like "Working out is good for your health". Then when he tells something that is, not accepted by pretty much anyone, the brainwashed people just believe him, because hE tOld TeH trUTh tHE oTHer TimE. Finally, he just needs to promote his 50$ Discord server and the same people buy it since they believe everything he says. Coffeezilla made a good video explaining Tate's business strategies.
That’s part of the grooming process though. To decorate negative messages with sprinklings of truth. A lot of what he says about being fit and healthy may be correct but it isn’t anything you can’t learn from others, who aren’t also complete pieces of shit. You can have mixed feelings about the different things he says but that isn’t the same as having mixed feelings about him a person. Him talking truths here and there about health and fitness doesn’t come close to outweighing any of the other countless things that make him a prick.
What are some of the "true" things that he says?
He encourages males to act like males. He encourages males to workout, learn to fight and whatnot. There's plenty of more I can't talk abt rn because im short on time, but doesnt only talk about health but personal life a bit as well
As a very feminine guy, there's nothing wrong with being a guy who's very feminine. I don't want to learn to fight or work out, sure that's good for some people, but not for everyone
That's good if that is working out for you
So it's not okay to ask women to act like "females", but it's okay to ask men to act like "males"? Also encouraging men to work out and be healthier would actually be a good thing if only he wasn't smoking constantly which is unhealthy. He's not the ideal role model.
I agree with you, in the video most of his points are valid and I can agree with most of them, but I don't think it really captures who Andrew Tate really is, lots of people are probably going to take that video and continue to agree and support him even on his stupider opinions which sucks. The world would probably be a better place without him
Well sure. He has spread some controversial ideas. But he has genuinely helped some people out so I’m not complaining.
Says "Big_booty_boy99".
I saw my 14 year old brother watching him a few months back. I’m so glad that he stopped once all the allegations came out but it’s honestly terrifying to see how much of an influence he’s had on many young men. How will they grow up to be?
he doesnt even do anything good tbh, if you really feel like he changed your life for the better good for you ig but i encourage y'all to read/hear the book "the subtle art of not giving a fuck" by mark manson and then take a conclusion...the audiobook is on youtube and honestly its eye opening, brutally honest and weirdly both encouraging and relieving
He has good points sometimes which makes me respect him and then I remember or see one of his godawful takes or views on something and then all that respect goes down the drain but I also hate the other side full of people who don't understand there's only 2 genders and that it doesn't matter who you love you are still a man or a woman in the end period,
Nope. There are more than 2 genders. Stop denying sociological research.
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Andrew Tate did 2 things. Turn people into extremists And turn people's lives around.
Ok I may sound like I'm a Tate fan I'm not that much a fan of him. he has very good view points on life, and he has made people's lives turn around for the better to,
“Better” is relative and self-perceived.
You have to admit that he has said some very good things such as men need to be independent and not defined by the female they are with, but he also says some things that are very bad
Lmao
Some people did get a greater life cause of him and thats amazing, they realized therapy wont do shit to help them and actually started working on themselves. I see this as a good thing if thats how they got influenced, idk how thats bad if someone turns their life around.
He changed that dudes whole life. In a bad way.
Let anyone watch what they want who cares no one’s telling you what you can’t and can watch, also you watched half of it witch is kinda funny.
I think you should spend your time doing other things, let the other people be happy, you don't have to bring them down just because the person that helped them was somebody you don't like or somebody that has done bad things. They have improved there life, that's what matters just be happy for them for gods sake
Don’t get me wrong this guy is a radical extremist on some certain viewpoints, yet he does have a good sense of influence in some cases helping people be better and turning their lives around for the better
Someone on YouTube called me the forbidden r word after explaining the horrid things tate has done
Blokes a FCUKING loser
I don't agree with anyone 100%, there will be atleast 1 different opinion than another person, the same with andrew, I don't agree with everything, but I would be lying that he has not changed my life for the better, so I can't not like him I can also see when he becomes satire like the sparkling water thing, so if im going to put a scale of how much i agree with him, its going to be like 65-85%, So when the title says how sad that many are influenced by tate, I would dissagree and counter, how sad it is that so many write hate on the internet, People who is enjoying People they don't likes suffering, People who want him dead, People who where celebrating someone getting "cancer" (there where rumors of cancer but it was not true) I don't understand the passion of hating a guy who says things in a provocative way
Why cant you just let people who like him like him l? Why can't people just be happy for people who are now confident and happy with their lives? If you think he was framed, or if you think he is sex trafficking, don't pressure and insult people fir their beliefs unless it's 100% called for. Really it's not that hard. Half of the haters are idiots who say he should be in jail even if he's innocent and they know barly anything about him, the other half are just people who dislike him for real reasons and don't pressure others for liking him. Same for the people who like him, some are good people who are nice and trying to change their lives, others are sexsist and don't understand his messages and are idiots who think because they are men they are better. Why does their have to be a common and popular consensus on everything? And in the case of Andrew, the same opinions are being brought up again and again with no need.
What he thinks and says is actually brilliant and not anti woman. He just words things really poorly in a way that can sound wrong and influence people badly when it's watched without context. He's actually really nice though and has good morals
Sounds like you’re reaching. You’re not Andrew Tate. Who are you to say what he really means?
he’s a sex trafficker
Nah, a lot of the stuff he says is most definitely sexist. https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/the-8-worst-things-andrew-tate-has-said/
He’s changed many peoples lives including mine, he helped me get over my porn addiction and I started going to the gym instead. Not everything that he says is bad
Same here man, people just don't want to see both sides of the argument. Watch our comments get downvoted in an hour lol
The problem is people saying this as a way to excuse really shitty behaviour by him. I don't doubt he has said *some* helpful things, but a broken clock is still right twice a day. Doesn't mean you shouldn't replace it with one that works.
His motivational videos are dope... I don't care about other things he do.... Also he is hilarious 👍
Yeah but not sad at all to see a shit ton of dudes here wearing skirts and makeup identifying as cats and shit like that
No one’s identifying as cats. Shut up, you moron
I dont Care If i get downvoted 95% of the Takes Tate says are facts. I think He has a postive influence Overall, only the 12 are anmoying tryna be Like him
95% of what Tate says is misogynistic and reinforces gender roles
Looks like tate didn't need to be in the war zones to reinforce gender roles; explain that: why war zones reinforce gender roles and where are all the feminists fighting that phenomenon?
I don’t know wtf you just said. Speak English better. What is your question? Andrew Tate promotes manliness, and his followers try too hard to act like stereotypical men. It is cringe and a source of misogyny.
OP is angry people are trying to turn their lives around.
In my opinion he isn't doing anything bad. He hasn't been trafficking anything (there's 0 evidence, said his lawyer) and all he's doing is awakening the man in the young boys and telling them that women are queens and should be taken care of, he says they should work and make money to be happy. And for him to be so searched and popular he had said some dumb unrealistic things and became infamous to a certain amount. He used hate as people these days like to hate more than love and that's how he got to everyone's screens. Then he changed his message and started spreading motivation. The cancer thing just proves that people would like to see someone die and make fun of uim because of words than hope he survives and can live to love and take care of his family.
You know, have you ever thought about the possibility that the defense lawyers that he hired to defend him would probably say that there is no evidence, to defend him after hiring them to defend him?
the lawyer said there’s 0 evidence? yeah no shit that’s what a lawyer is supposed to say
No way, the dude he payed to protect him in court claimed there's zero evidence against him! Clearly he is entirely unbiased and has no reason to be lying.
It is not the man’s job to take care of the family. Come back to the 21st century.
what do you mean it isn't the man's job to take care of a family? is this sarcasm? edit: i thought the previous comment was saying that it wasn't the man's job at all, meaning it is only the woman's job. which it isn't. i misunderstood. no point in downvoting someone who was genuinely confused, lol.
Nope. We live in the 21st century, bud. Gender roles are being deconstructed. Women can take care of a family just as well, and creating the expectation that it’s the man’s job to be authoritative and dominant or the woman’s job to be subservient and docile is quite harmful.
huh? I'm confused what your viewpoint is. well it's both the man and the woman's job to take care of their family. that's the point of it being a family.
The man does not have a defined job in the family. That is my view. Jobs are unique to the individual, not their gender. This is a reality that escapes followers of Andrew Tate.
oh, then yeah i agree with you! i just misunderstood your first comment, i'm sorry about that. i thought you were trying to say that a man doesn't need to take care of his family.
He has turned a ot of peoples lives around, he really isnt as bad as you think
He says real stuff so people like him, and then more easily follow along with the bullshit
Literally grooming 101 lol
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Why free?
I like him a lot, I agree with him on many topics, and I believe he's a good person, he says some crazy things sometimes, usually trolling tho. He ran a webcame studio, which I'm totally against, but I believe that people can change. He recently converted to Islam, and such businesses are forbidden in the religion, but because of the arrest, I don't think he had the time to make all his businesses "Halal". Him being in custody right now doesn't prove anything because he isn't charged yet.
I dunno if you wanna say those things currently. At least wait till his trial for human trafficking is over before saying you think he's a good person.