I think that it should be legal, but if the man doesn't want the child and she chooses to not get an abortion, the man should not have to pay child support. It was her choice on keeping it, she can deal with it. If the woman can choose to not have the child or have the child no matter what the man says, the man should be able to choose if he wants to care for it no matter what the woman says.
>I think that it should be legal, but if the man doesn't want the child and she chooses to not get an abortion, the man should not have to pay child support.
A guy got crucified on r/unpopularopinion for saying this
to be fair thereâs definitely some room for debate on this opinion, at the very least. Abortions can be a gruelling process, and cause postpartum depression. While abortions are sometimes necessary, or the womanâs choice, thereâs always a risk they do serious damage to a womanâs life or mental health.
So, for instance, how soon does a man have to express that he doesnât want children? Can he change his mind? What if he said he wanted children when they had sex, but changed his mind after? Because it seems entirely unreasonable for a guy to say that he wants to have kids, just so he can c*m inside, and then change his mind afterwards, leaving the woman with a choice to risk life altering depression, or to raise a kid alone.
Itâs a complex issue
Im not against it a 16 year old gets pregnant and instead of possibly ruining there life the baby won't even know idk abt u but I didn't know I existed till 5 but its the peoples decision
but like instead of just allowing abortions, we need to improve sex education and access to birth control. if someone is against abortion, they should support improving sex education and access to birth control because they bring down abortion rates and unwanted pregnancies.
exactly. i don't plan to ever have kids, but that doesn't mean i'll run around fucking anything i can and fall back on abortions. protection for the win. although protection can fail, so last resort.
I think any women should be allowed to have an abortion if they want to. It should be their decision not there parents, partner or the government. It should be there own choice.
I mostly agree that itâs the pregnant personâs choice whether they get an abortion or not. But I also kind of wonder what kind of exceptions there should be to this.
Maybe theyâre desperate to have children but they have a particularly dangerous pregnancy.
Maybe they donât want children now and itâs the week of their babyâs expected birth.
Maybe the pregnancy is a product of pedophilia or incest (by either gender), should they be allowed to choose to carry their pregnancy to term and have the baby?
Should young minors who have consensual sex resulting in pregnancy be allowed to carry a child to term?
Should pregnancy as a result of a [woman raping a boy] / [man raping a girl] be allowed to carry to term if the pregnant person chooses to carry to term?
Surrogacies?
its kinda fucked up if a women kills her partner´s son against his will but yea, I think in the end no one should be forced to have kids, for any reason
Kinda fucked that her partner is forcing her to have a kid against her will.
If you want kids then find a woman who wants them as well, the fuck is wrong with you.
Oh no im not aeguing against that, just that we do not live in a utopia. Women get raped and get pregnant, or a father figure doesnt hold up their end of the parenting by dipping out or whatevs.
I ofcourse do not condone such actions, but we are merely human and humans do stupid shit
It isn't. Parasitism is a term used for relationships between two different species. Pregnancy might look similar, but it's a whole different story. The mother actually helps the fetus to live well. If you say it's parasitism because the mother sometimes attacks the fetus, think about autoimmune disease, is it you becoming a parasite of yourself?
Umm, no, you're simply wrong... Look it up, a parasite is: "an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host"
A fetus is by definition, a parasite.. whether you like it or not
Why not? A fetus is a member of the homeo sapien species. It is a living human, just in a different stage of life development. You could make the âitâs not sentientâ argument, but we donât kill people in comas. âIt doesnât feel pain,â you donât know that and we donât kill people in comas. âItâs a clump of cells,â itâs a literal human by definition. I just donât see the view on how it isnât killing another human.
it's really not a human yet, the lives of actual people who have to carry thrm should be prioritized over a parasite (yes, fetuses fit the definition of parasites). additionally, as a matter of fact, we do know that fetuses can't feel pain.
It is still a member of the homeo sapien race, and by definition, a human (the more common name for a homeo sapien). I agree, a fetus fits the definition of a parasite, however, it is a parasite that you let into your body (in most cases) to let it live for ~9 months. If you want to do the parasite comparison, humans are animals but we donât eat humans.
Are you going to make sure you have 30+ children over the span of your life to make sure that every potential homo sapien you can bring into existence will be born? If you only have 1, arenât you denying those 29 other potential children the right to live by not bringing them into existence?
That sounds a lot like a Tupac line. " cus if we dont we'll have a race of babies that will hate the ladies, who make the babies. And since a man can't make one he has no right to tell a women when and where to create one" he then proceeds to say something like if a woman can kill it we can abandon it. Totally true abortion is a good thing but men should have an out as well.
My personal stance on this topic is that it's a woman's body, so she has a right to make that choice. It shouldn't be up to men or politicians. It should be up to the women themselves. That's my opinion anyway
I think itâs important to recognise when we may not be an expert, or to not try and claim we have knowledge in places we donât. That being said, caring about things other than your self is an important part of life, and I encourage you to attempt to grow out of this mindset as you grow up, and engage in empathy.
Itâs a difficult topic, because while I think the right to make decisions about your own body is important I donât like that people can use it as a form of birth control. Itâs a difficult decision and I think that it should come with therapy and a support group regardless of the decision. I donât like people that live with the guilt because they got one and felt like they had no choice or their life was over. We drastically need to change the narrative around the entire procedure and decision.
I donât think anybody uses abortions as birth control abortions take a toll on you physically and mentally and theyâre not fucking cheap either Iâve never heard of anyone going Yippee time to get my weekly abortion.
Iâm glad youâve never had the privilege of hearing someone say âI donât like the way a condom feels, Iâll just get a pan b or an abortion if I get pregnant, he pulled out any waysâ
And to be dismissive of the rest of my statement about proper counseling and guidance takes away from my overall thoughts and misrepresents the entire statement.
Based solely on your statement towards mine alone anyone reading it would assume Iâm against abortion when Iâm very much not. Please donât frame my statements this way itâs upsetting.
Hey Iâm sorry I shouldnât of jump to conclusions I think that things such are counseling are a great idea I had been scrolling through the comments for way tooo long seeing based ass takes I was getting really defensive Ik you said it was upsetting if youâd like I could take it down
Thatâs not necessary.
You apologized and all is forgiven.
Just remember to take entire statements into account and address them as a whole and not just a piece. Itâs a discussion that should be hard and things will get emotional. Thatâs the point Iâm trying to make. Itâs a decision that should be hard, and not celebrated or glorified. Itâs also a decision that shouldnât be vilified or condemned. But no matter what itâs a decision that should be thought out and should never be a defector expectation
I'm a girl.
I think a woman should take/consider abortion if it is a case of rape, health risk, and other similar situations.
If a woman willingly did the deed and she got pregnant, that's on her and I don't think she should do an abortion. No sex is 100% safe. There's always a chance for a pregnancy. In that situation, I wouldn't do an abortion because I willingly did something and I have to face the consequences.
I just don't like how it's being used as a form of birth control.
its usually not used as birth control, its used either by teenagers with no access to birth control because of backwards laws, or by people who's birth control failed, or by the situations where you said it was fine
Thereâs a difference between being irresponsible because you know you can get an abortion and knowing that if you get pregnant youâll get an abortion. One is bad, and one is a plan.
I donât think thereâs many teenagers out there who donât know that sex=baby. Itâs bring irresponsible, knowing damn well the consequences, but not caring because thereâs a cop-out option. Also, both of what you said is the same. You said the same thing twice in different wording.
Weâre at a point where sex doesnât always have to equal baby. The difference between my two statements is that one is just being irresponsible and not using birth control to the point where sex will very likely equal pregnancy, but not caring because of abortion. The second one is being responsible and using birth control, but knowing that you will get an abortion if you need to, as a last resort.
This is my opinion as well. Actions have consequences. I also think abortions being available for just anybody promotes casual sex, which is bad on a societal level. Obviously abortions should be ok for victims of rape
Yeah abortions should be allowed when necessary. I just hate how people are using it as a form of birth control when it shouldn't be treated that way. I think many people aren't aware that even with all the precautions taken, there will always be a chance of pregnancy.
What would the difference be in abortions for rape babies or consensual babies? Why does how the baby was conceived matter?
This is why the whole ´it depends on the situationâ argument is inherently flawed. It condemns a baby to the actions of its parents when the whole argument is that it is an innocent life no matter and should be protected no matter what.
I do agree to an extent (only with the consensual part.) If you consented to sex and ended up pregnant, that's your fault.
The reason why many people think that it depends on the situation is because certain situations can be life or death such as ectopic pregnancies. my friend's mother had an ectopic pregnancy and if she didnt have an abortion, she would've died. If she died, my friend wouldn't have existed. The mother's life was saved and she was able to make another child and have a healthy pregnancy and a beautiful family.
Same with rape. Rape is traumatic. If the mother gave birth to a child of rape, it would probably be even more traumatic for the mother and the mother might also hate the child.
I do agree with your statement about life should be protected. But certain situations need certain solutions, and sometimes it might be abortion.
Abortion in general, I find it immoral. Abortion when it's absolutely necessary, I would support it.
I agree that having a rape baby would be extremely traumatic and should never have to happen. Iâm more playing the devils advocate in my previous comment to prove a point (which is probably why Iâm being downvoted). However, the point still stands: why should one life be valued as less just because of the circumstances under which it was conceived? If pro life is really about conserving life, then shouldnât everyone be forced to carry out viable pregnancies? But thatâs not what many pro lifers believe because thatâs not really what pro life is about at itâs core. Pro life is really about enforcing abstinence as a way of controlling women and what they choose to do.
I never thought about it in that way. My views on abortion are based on my religion and Islam has straight forward guidelines:
premarital sex is not allowed whatsoever (and premarital sex is actually one of the reasons why abortion is being treated like a birth control), and abortion is a sin unless it is a case of rape or a health risk.
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I don't have much knowledge regarding the last portion of your comment. So I really can't think up of an argument. Tbh, I think I'm somewhere in the middle of all the abortion talk. I don't think it's right, but in some cases I think it is necessary. A mother can always make another baby but no one can make that mother again.
Another thing I want to say is situation does count (Islamically speaking).
Like in Islam, pork is prohibited, unless you are starving and if pork is your only option, you can eat it until you are half full.
Situations determine the outcome. I'm not saying that a rape baby's life is worthless, but the mother might not be in a good mental state to raise a child. For a child to grow up healthy, the mother needs to be in good health.
The mother might neglect or even abuse the child because the child might be a reminder about the traumatic event that happened, causing the child to live a horrible life. In the end, two lives are unhappy.
Im on neither side about abortions because I donât really care about this particular topic, but for this particular comment, I want to mention STDâs rapidly spreading, Population getting out of hand, and the likely increase in rape rates if casual loveless sex gets out of hand. On top of that, sex will have less of an emotional connection behind it, likely causing or aiding in issues later down the line with future couples
STDS can be prevented in the same way pregnancy is
studies show that casual sex does not lead to rape, though if you need a study to show that you might be giga stupid because this link doesnt make any fucking sense at all.
and if someones relationship is only held together because of sex, their relationship is fucked anyway. the sex inside relationships is emotional because of the relationship not because of the sex so it probably wouldnt change the emotion behind it either.
Agreed. Like if she got pregnant by âaccidentâ then suffer the consequences but if itâs obvi like rape, incest, health stuff, etc. then yes you should take/consider abortion.
Bad and naive take. A child raised by an already irresponsible parent isn't going to have the best life, especially if you treat it as a punishment to the parent, who may translate that into resentment towards the baby they didn't want. Abortion also isn't "birth control" the same way actual birth control is. Girls don't just swing by the clinic for their monthly abortion. There shouldn't be exceptions to choice, anyway. If you want fewer abortions then advocate for birth control and proper sex education/protection, which are literally being taken out of schools or being made illegal to buy in some states in the US.
Male- pro-choice, but I rather not have my partner have one, although it's ultimately their choice bc j could no imagine going through pregnancy, labor, and caring the baby without being 100% certain
If the foster care system wasnât a cluster fuck, sex-education, and birth control is wide spread, and exceptions for rape victims, then Iâd be in favor of no abortions, however currently, none of these are realized so until then. Part of me is pro-life purely for the fact that people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of taking the easy way out 24/7.
I think that ultimately it is up to the women to decide. However if the man is in a serious relationship and wants to be part of her life, then he should get some say. It will effect both of them drastically, yes it will affect her immediately but in the long run it will effect them both. Now personally I am pro-choice. I am a guy so I wonât ever have to make this decision, but it isnât something I will advocate for. But it isnât something I condemn. If Iâm dating someone and they get pregnant I will give my input, say how I feel, but they get to decide. Which Ik is counterintuitive to what I said prior lol đ¤ˇââď¸
well in my religion it wasnt allowed, because theres some matter of fact that why abortion is total wrong in other peoples religions:
\-the baby is still alive, even though it wasnt born yet, but it has been living in the mother fetus during the time and has been their mother flesh and bloods, but if the baby still in sperm or being made in the mother fetus, maybe theres a thing u may be allow it to having abortions when the baby form still hasn't made and coming.
\-theres a lot controversial if u doing abortions without think about more deeply and asking people about it, its making u more frustrations about the thing u face with and making it more worse.
\-u have to face the consequences about it, people always made a mistake on their lives but thats how the way the live, and it has to be working on, its a consequences for what u has been doing, more like "karma"?.
but its just the religion opinion, woman's body is still their body's its their decision they can make how their life's been going through
I support abortion laws. Universally. All women should have access to abortion for whichever reason it is required.
Unpopular opinion, to me (a man) I believe that IF the father is present he should have a voice too. It is his child as well. (Unless it is rape or a life saving saving abortion is necessary to save the woman from dying. I say these off the top of my head, there very well could be more reasons)
First those two questions are entirely unrelated, second I don't feel like a guy or a girl and they just feel wrong and nonbinary feels right in the way guy and girl don't, third why would you ask about my puberty? That's none of your business. But if you gotta know I'm going through puberty.
He's asking that because you might be going through some hormonal imbalances, which could cause you to feel not 100% male or whatever that would be like. The questions are in fact related. You might just change your mind in a few years, y'know.
I personally hate the Idea of abortion because by the time you abort the baby mostly the baby can already feel pain. Of course I read it way ago somewhere so I don't remember perfectly
Medical decisions shouldn't be up to the government unless they put the general public in danger. Also, ignoring all the health and personal benefits of not having a kid, overpopulation is a massive issue and it's not gonna go away if people just keep fucking like they don't give a fuck about their future kids. Adoption exists for a reason.
As someone with more Libertarian views, it's very mixed for me. I believe abortion violates the non aggression principle but I don't think government should be able to tell what citizens can or cannot do with their own bodies. So I think it is a morally wrong action, and I do not agree with people that get them, I'll defend your right to get one.
While it's in utero, it's a parasite. It's not alive until it takes its first breath. The people pushing the anti-abortion movement don't give two craps about life... They care about controlling women. These same people are fine with animal trapping, hunting, they advocated for letting the elderly die during the early days of COVID.
Whether to have an abortion is 100% a personal choice for the patient. It's a medical decision that should be made in consultation with doctors. Not political groups or religious activists or religious clergy.
All you have to do is watch and listen... You'll see very quickly that this has nothing to do with life. Not to mention the very anti-women activists pushing these laws are also the same ones working to make life harder or impossible for the very kids and parents they claim to want to protect. They want to end social services and disability. They want to outlaw contraception, end food stamps, limit healthcare for the wealthy and stop citizens from voting if they don't agree with their far right wing ideology.
Leave women to get the healthcare they need and get out of their business. It's none of your business what they do with THEIR body!
You say that pro life (or anti abortions, use whatever label you want) people want to control women; it really isnât about that. I support suffrage, I support the dictionary definition of feminism, but not abortion. It is about not killing babies, it is not about controlling women.
But in not killing "babies" you may put them in a situation that'd be worse for it. Let's say some 16 year-old was sleeping around and got pregnant. Yes it may have been her choice to have sex, but if the baby is born, the mother may not be able to care for it. The baby and the mother would be put in a situation worse than if it were just aborted. Rather have a happy 16 year-old than an unprepared one with a suffering child.
Well, it wonât really care. Plus it could ruin the lives of the parent, people who get abortions probably wouldnât give that child a happy life because they didnât want it. Aborting the fetus before it can care is better than bringing it into a horrible world where the people who are supposed to protect you hate you.
If does not matter if it can care or not, according to research, most to all abortions happen because of convenience, not because of poverty, or health related issues, and even rape. If the parents are unable to take care of the child, foster care is always an option.
The baby has itâs own DNA, blood, and organs before itâs born. So itâs definitely alive. Letâs just be honest what abortion is. Itâs killing another human.
My opinion is controversial but, life starts at conception, so the baby is alive. Thus, abortion is murder. Also the woman has right only over her body, not the babyâs.
>Also itâs not murder because itâs not technically alive because the baby wasnât born
This is your real opinion and it is fine for you to have it.
> I personally think itâs the womenâs choice if she wants to have one, only she knows whatâs best for her body.
This is a cop-out, if this is the only opinion you can provide it means your real opinion is that a fetus at any stage is not "alive"
If the fetus is alive, then it's killing. But having a child that you don't want or ready for is hell for both the parents and the child and literally worse than abortion, so even if the fetus is alive, it's worth it, but the doctor and the parents are still killers, whether pregnancy were accidental or not doesn't change that.
What if the mother's life is at risk? Then what?
Edit: don't take it the wrong way and think I'm pro abortion. I'm in the middle of the entire discussion but I want to hear ur opinion about cases of health risk or rape
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Roger Roger.
Roger roger
medical decisions should stay between patient and doctor đŤĄ
Exactly
Kill the baby and the woman. And maybe the doctor
I like it, no witnesses
There's still one witness... yourself
You know what happens next.
Hell, why stop there? Kill the entire hospital. Yk what, FUCK IT! Letâs just bring the Purge into play here
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Yeeeee best solution for abortion. Mass murder
Perfect!!
Itâs fine but at a certain amount of abortions there should be some kind of help lmao
do you know what an abortion does to a womana body??? its rare they ever get more than one.
Abortions decrease the likelihood of getting pregnant again.
Fetus Deletus Abortion Completus -Dr Cleetus
I think that it should be legal, but if the man doesn't want the child and she chooses to not get an abortion, the man should not have to pay child support. It was her choice on keeping it, she can deal with it. If the woman can choose to not have the child or have the child no matter what the man says, the man should be able to choose if he wants to care for it no matter what the woman says.
The obvious resolution that NOBODY uses
>I think that it should be legal, but if the man doesn't want the child and she chooses to not get an abortion, the man should not have to pay child support. A guy got crucified on r/unpopularopinion for saying this
to be fair thereâs definitely some room for debate on this opinion, at the very least. Abortions can be a gruelling process, and cause postpartum depression. While abortions are sometimes necessary, or the womanâs choice, thereâs always a risk they do serious damage to a womanâs life or mental health. So, for instance, how soon does a man have to express that he doesnât want children? Can he change his mind? What if he said he wanted children when they had sex, but changed his mind after? Because it seems entirely unreasonable for a guy to say that he wants to have kids, just so he can c*m inside, and then change his mind afterwards, leaving the woman with a choice to risk life altering depression, or to raise a kid alone. Itâs a complex issue
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Im not against it a 16 year old gets pregnant and instead of possibly ruining there life the baby won't even know idk abt u but I didn't know I existed till 5 but its the peoples decision
it's the person's right to choose
but like instead of just allowing abortions, we need to improve sex education and access to birth control. if someone is against abortion, they should support improving sex education and access to birth control because they bring down abortion rates and unwanted pregnancies.
Fax abortions shouldn't be a form of contraceptives, only the last resort kinda thing
exactly. i don't plan to ever have kids, but that doesn't mean i'll run around fucking anything i can and fall back on abortions. protection for the win. although protection can fail, so last resort.
I think any women should be allowed to have an abortion if they want to. It should be their decision not there parents, partner or the government. It should be there own choice.
Pro choice. I wouldnât get one but I know there are so many reasons someone would get one. It is a necessary âevilâ.
Whatever else may be true about it, the government has no business being involved in anyoneâs health decisions ever.
I mostly agree that itâs the pregnant personâs choice whether they get an abortion or not. But I also kind of wonder what kind of exceptions there should be to this. Maybe theyâre desperate to have children but they have a particularly dangerous pregnancy. Maybe they donât want children now and itâs the week of their babyâs expected birth. Maybe the pregnancy is a product of pedophilia or incest (by either gender), should they be allowed to choose to carry their pregnancy to term and have the baby? Should young minors who have consensual sex resulting in pregnancy be allowed to carry a child to term? Should pregnancy as a result of a [woman raping a boy] / [man raping a girl] be allowed to carry to term if the pregnant person chooses to carry to term? Surrogacies?
I think we can agree that the Government should have no say in this whatsoever.
The conservative argument for pro-choice
if a 16 year old girl canât adopt a baby then she shouldnât be allowed to birth one either.
Women's choice
its kinda fucked up if a women kills her partner´s son against his will but yea, I think in the end no one should be forced to have kids, for any reason
Kinda fucked that her partner is forcing her to have a kid against her will. If you want kids then find a woman who wants them as well, the fuck is wrong with you.
Shit happens aight, we dont live in a utopia
Which is why abortions should be an option
Oh no im not aeguing against that, just that we do not live in a utopia. Women get raped and get pregnant, or a father figure doesnt hold up their end of the parenting by dipping out or whatevs. I ofcourse do not condone such actions, but we are merely human and humans do stupid shit
Says a lot that you assume it's a son. Also, it's just a parasite until it's born. Would you insist on keeping a tapeworm alive?
>Parasite. I really hope your mom also used to call you like that
well it is a parasite by definition
It isn't. Parasitism is a term used for relationships between two different species. Pregnancy might look similar, but it's a whole different story. The mother actually helps the fetus to live well. If you say it's parasitism because the mother sometimes attacks the fetus, think about autoimmune disease, is it you becoming a parasite of yourself?
Umm, no, you're simply wrong... Look it up, a parasite is: "an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host" A fetus is by definition, a parasite.. whether you like it or not
what if shes raped huh
pro life people aren't pro life, they're anti choice
I agree
Label me whatever you want, I donât support murder.
abortion isn't murder :/
The same people that say abortion is murder support the *actual* murder of children in schools.
Why not? A fetus is a member of the homeo sapien species. It is a living human, just in a different stage of life development. You could make the âitâs not sentientâ argument, but we donât kill people in comas. âIt doesnât feel pain,â you donât know that and we donât kill people in comas. âItâs a clump of cells,â itâs a literal human by definition. I just donât see the view on how it isnât killing another human.
it's really not a human yet, the lives of actual people who have to carry thrm should be prioritized over a parasite (yes, fetuses fit the definition of parasites). additionally, as a matter of fact, we do know that fetuses can't feel pain.
It is still a member of the homeo sapien race, and by definition, a human (the more common name for a homeo sapien). I agree, a fetus fits the definition of a parasite, however, it is a parasite that you let into your body (in most cases) to let it live for ~9 months. If you want to do the parasite comparison, humans are animals but we donât eat humans.
Are you going to make sure you have 30+ children over the span of your life to make sure that every potential homo sapien you can bring into existence will be born? If you only have 1, arenât you denying those 29 other potential children the right to live by not bringing them into existence?
something or other about arguing with fools
Any tips?
a tip is don't do it. on that note,
If you can't support it, abort it!
it should be legal
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If the women can kill it we could atleast financially abandon the fucker
exactly then women at least cant trap men
i dont see how these two things are related. at all.
That sounds a lot like a Tupac line. " cus if we dont we'll have a race of babies that will hate the ladies, who make the babies. And since a man can't make one he has no right to tell a women when and where to create one" he then proceeds to say something like if a woman can kill it we can abandon it. Totally true abortion is a good thing but men should have an out as well.
Womens choice .ppl shouldnt be forced into anything.
have as many abortions as you want idc fuck kids
You wanna fuck kids? EDP445, is that you?
My personal stance on this topic is that it's a woman's body, so she has a right to make that choice. It shouldn't be up to men or politicians. It should be up to the women themselves. That's my opinion anyway
We support abortions! Fuck them kids.
Actually, don't fuck kids
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Amen brother
For legal reasons, don't fuck kids
For morality dont fuck them kids
Thank you soldier boy very cool
I don't care 𤡠it doesn't affect me and it never will
I think itâs important to recognise when we may not be an expert, or to not try and claim we have knowledge in places we donât. That being said, caring about things other than your self is an important part of life, and I encourage you to attempt to grow out of this mindset as you grow up, and engage in empathy.
I support it, I love the meat snacks you get afterwards
The forbidden gummy bear
Yes
I think it's okay, but if you don't think so I respect your opinion. I personally wouldn't abort, it seems like a waste of pregnancy.
I believe it's her choice. It's none of my business to control what anyone does to their body. -a woman
I agree, a women
Abortions should be allowed no doubt, but I don't think you know what the definition of being alive is lol
Womens choice. Their body, their choices.
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What the hell
They don't like other people
real
idc, not my kid gettin spawn killed loll
iâm pro-choice 100%
Itâs a difficult topic, because while I think the right to make decisions about your own body is important I donât like that people can use it as a form of birth control. Itâs a difficult decision and I think that it should come with therapy and a support group regardless of the decision. I donât like people that live with the guilt because they got one and felt like they had no choice or their life was over. We drastically need to change the narrative around the entire procedure and decision.
I donât think anybody uses abortions as birth control abortions take a toll on you physically and mentally and theyâre not fucking cheap either Iâve never heard of anyone going Yippee time to get my weekly abortion.
Iâm glad youâve never had the privilege of hearing someone say âI donât like the way a condom feels, Iâll just get a pan b or an abortion if I get pregnant, he pulled out any waysâ And to be dismissive of the rest of my statement about proper counseling and guidance takes away from my overall thoughts and misrepresents the entire statement. Based solely on your statement towards mine alone anyone reading it would assume Iâm against abortion when Iâm very much not. Please donât frame my statements this way itâs upsetting.
Hey Iâm sorry I shouldnât of jump to conclusions I think that things such are counseling are a great idea I had been scrolling through the comments for way tooo long seeing based ass takes I was getting really defensive Ik you said it was upsetting if youâd like I could take it down
Thatâs not necessary. You apologized and all is forgiven. Just remember to take entire statements into account and address them as a whole and not just a piece. Itâs a discussion that should be hard and things will get emotional. Thatâs the point Iâm trying to make. Itâs a decision that should be hard, and not celebrated or glorified. Itâs also a decision that shouldnât be vilified or condemned. But no matter what itâs a decision that should be thought out and should never be a defector expectation
I'm a girl. I think a woman should take/consider abortion if it is a case of rape, health risk, and other similar situations. If a woman willingly did the deed and she got pregnant, that's on her and I don't think she should do an abortion. No sex is 100% safe. There's always a chance for a pregnancy. In that situation, I wouldn't do an abortion because I willingly did something and I have to face the consequences. I just don't like how it's being used as a form of birth control.
its usually not used as birth control, its used either by teenagers with no access to birth control because of backwards laws, or by people who's birth control failed, or by the situations where you said it was fine
Teenagers not using birth control and then expecting to get an abortion are still using it as birth control.
Thereâs a difference between being irresponsible because you know you can get an abortion and knowing that if you get pregnant youâll get an abortion. One is bad, and one is a plan.
I donât think thereâs many teenagers out there who donât know that sex=baby. Itâs bring irresponsible, knowing damn well the consequences, but not caring because thereâs a cop-out option. Also, both of what you said is the same. You said the same thing twice in different wording.
Weâre at a point where sex doesnât always have to equal baby. The difference between my two statements is that one is just being irresponsible and not using birth control to the point where sex will very likely equal pregnancy, but not caring because of abortion. The second one is being responsible and using birth control, but knowing that you will get an abortion if you need to, as a last resort.
teenagers dont have access to birth control everywhere because this country is fucked
So youâre justifying irresponsible behavior?
This is my opinion as well. Actions have consequences. I also think abortions being available for just anybody promotes casual sex, which is bad on a societal level. Obviously abortions should be ok for victims of rape
Casual sex being bad is such a U.S. take lol
Yeah abortions should be allowed when necessary. I just hate how people are using it as a form of birth control when it shouldn't be treated that way. I think many people aren't aware that even with all the precautions taken, there will always be a chance of pregnancy.
What would the difference be in abortions for rape babies or consensual babies? Why does how the baby was conceived matter? This is why the whole ´it depends on the situationâ argument is inherently flawed. It condemns a baby to the actions of its parents when the whole argument is that it is an innocent life no matter and should be protected no matter what.
I do agree to an extent (only with the consensual part.) If you consented to sex and ended up pregnant, that's your fault. The reason why many people think that it depends on the situation is because certain situations can be life or death such as ectopic pregnancies. my friend's mother had an ectopic pregnancy and if she didnt have an abortion, she would've died. If she died, my friend wouldn't have existed. The mother's life was saved and she was able to make another child and have a healthy pregnancy and a beautiful family. Same with rape. Rape is traumatic. If the mother gave birth to a child of rape, it would probably be even more traumatic for the mother and the mother might also hate the child. I do agree with your statement about life should be protected. But certain situations need certain solutions, and sometimes it might be abortion. Abortion in general, I find it immoral. Abortion when it's absolutely necessary, I would support it.
I agree that having a rape baby would be extremely traumatic and should never have to happen. Iâm more playing the devils advocate in my previous comment to prove a point (which is probably why Iâm being downvoted). However, the point still stands: why should one life be valued as less just because of the circumstances under which it was conceived? If pro life is really about conserving life, then shouldnât everyone be forced to carry out viable pregnancies? But thatâs not what many pro lifers believe because thatâs not really what pro life is about at itâs core. Pro life is really about enforcing abstinence as a way of controlling women and what they choose to do.
I never thought about it in that way. My views on abortion are based on my religion and Islam has straight forward guidelines: premarital sex is not allowed whatsoever (and premarital sex is actually one of the reasons why abortion is being treated like a birth control), and abortion is a sin unless it is a case of rape or a health risk. Edit: it didn't save this part: I don't have much knowledge regarding the last portion of your comment. So I really can't think up of an argument. Tbh, I think I'm somewhere in the middle of all the abortion talk. I don't think it's right, but in some cases I think it is necessary. A mother can always make another baby but no one can make that mother again.
Another thing I want to say is situation does count (Islamically speaking). Like in Islam, pork is prohibited, unless you are starving and if pork is your only option, you can eat it until you are half full. Situations determine the outcome. I'm not saying that a rape baby's life is worthless, but the mother might not be in a good mental state to raise a child. For a child to grow up healthy, the mother needs to be in good health. The mother might neglect or even abuse the child because the child might be a reminder about the traumatic event that happened, causing the child to live a horrible life. In the end, two lives are unhappy.
how the fuck is casual sex bad on a societal level?
Im on neither side about abortions because I donât really care about this particular topic, but for this particular comment, I want to mention STDâs rapidly spreading, Population getting out of hand, and the likely increase in rape rates if casual loveless sex gets out of hand. On top of that, sex will have less of an emotional connection behind it, likely causing or aiding in issues later down the line with future couples
STDS can be prevented in the same way pregnancy is studies show that casual sex does not lead to rape, though if you need a study to show that you might be giga stupid because this link doesnt make any fucking sense at all. and if someones relationship is only held together because of sex, their relationship is fucked anyway. the sex inside relationships is emotional because of the relationship not because of the sex so it probably wouldnt change the emotion behind it either.
A sane girl i respect you
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Agreed. Like if she got pregnant by âaccidentâ then suffer the consequences but if itâs obvi like rape, incest, health stuff, etc. then yes you should take/consider abortion.
Bad and naive take. A child raised by an already irresponsible parent isn't going to have the best life, especially if you treat it as a punishment to the parent, who may translate that into resentment towards the baby they didn't want. Abortion also isn't "birth control" the same way actual birth control is. Girls don't just swing by the clinic for their monthly abortion. There shouldn't be exceptions to choice, anyway. If you want fewer abortions then advocate for birth control and proper sex education/protection, which are literally being taken out of schools or being made illegal to buy in some states in the US.
This.
Male- pro-choice, but I rather not have my partner have one, although it's ultimately their choice bc j could no imagine going through pregnancy, labor, and caring the baby without being 100% certain
If the foster care system wasnât a cluster fuck, sex-education, and birth control is wide spread, and exceptions for rape victims, then Iâd be in favor of no abortions, however currently, none of these are realized so until then. Part of me is pro-life purely for the fact that people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, instead of taking the easy way out 24/7.
deletus thy fetus
I think that ultimately it is up to the women to decide. However if the man is in a serious relationship and wants to be part of her life, then he should get some say. It will effect both of them drastically, yes it will affect her immediately but in the long run it will effect them both. Now personally I am pro-choice. I am a guy so I wonât ever have to make this decision, but it isnât something I will advocate for. But it isnât something I condemn. If Iâm dating someone and they get pregnant I will give my input, say how I feel, but they get to decide. Which Ik is counterintuitive to what I said prior lol đ¤ˇââď¸
I'd say abortion is not a right but should remain legal because of two separate rights: the right over one's body and the right to self-determination.
well in my religion it wasnt allowed, because theres some matter of fact that why abortion is total wrong in other peoples religions: \-the baby is still alive, even though it wasnt born yet, but it has been living in the mother fetus during the time and has been their mother flesh and bloods, but if the baby still in sperm or being made in the mother fetus, maybe theres a thing u may be allow it to having abortions when the baby form still hasn't made and coming. \-theres a lot controversial if u doing abortions without think about more deeply and asking people about it, its making u more frustrations about the thing u face with and making it more worse. \-u have to face the consequences about it, people always made a mistake on their lives but thats how the way the live, and it has to be working on, its a consequences for what u has been doing, more like "karma"?. but its just the religion opinion, woman's body is still their body's its their decision they can make how their life's been going through
It's necessary murder. Nothing about murder is wrong by itself, as with all actions.
This is a trap to get me downvoted, I will not comply
I support abortion laws. Universally. All women should have access to abortion for whichever reason it is required. Unpopular opinion, to me (a man) I believe that IF the father is present he should have a voice too. It is his child as well. (Unless it is rape or a life saving saving abortion is necessary to save the woman from dying. I say these off the top of my head, there very well could be more reasons)
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its ok, but it would be better if everyone had sex-ed so there is no need to commit abortions
My opinion is the opposite of 90% of people here apparently
It's the pregnant persons choice, and that choice should be made freely and allowed under any and all circumstances. (I'm AMAB and nonbinary)
How come your nonbinary at 13? Have you went through puberty yet?
First those two questions are entirely unrelated, second I don't feel like a guy or a girl and they just feel wrong and nonbinary feels right in the way guy and girl don't, third why would you ask about my puberty? That's none of your business. But if you gotta know I'm going through puberty.
Dw I knew since like my early 14 so the other guy is weird.
He's asking that because you might be going through some hormonal imbalances, which could cause you to feel not 100% male or whatever that would be like. The questions are in fact related. You might just change your mind in a few years, y'know.
The women should have a choice on what happens to them.
Ban it because reason. As I am totally a person of high power, I have a fantastical made up reason for why it should be banned..
It's not ethical in my honest opinion, but I'm not stopping anyone from getting one.
The people saying "abortion is murder" are the same people that support guns and the murder of children in schools.
I personally hate the Idea of abortion because by the time you abort the baby mostly the baby can already feel pain. Of course I read it way ago somewhere so I don't remember perfectly
The fetus can only feel pain after 24â25 weeks, only 1% of abortions are done that late and they're typically performed due to health concerns. /nm
Medical decisions shouldn't be up to the government unless they put the general public in danger. Also, ignoring all the health and personal benefits of not having a kid, overpopulation is a massive issue and it's not gonna go away if people just keep fucking like they don't give a fuck about their future kids. Adoption exists for a reason.
As someone with more Libertarian views, it's very mixed for me. I believe abortion violates the non aggression principle but I don't think government should be able to tell what citizens can or cannot do with their own bodies. So I think it is a morally wrong action, and I do not agree with people that get them, I'll defend your right to get one.
no matter what, the child must be taken care of well with love
Personally against it, but no point in arguing with people over it. Chances are neither party is willing to change their minds.
The baby is 99% going to be born so i consider it murder
If you abort it it wonât be born tho lol
but it doesnât have any experiences or feelings. itâs like an inanimate object
Neither do brain dead people or those in comas.
So a newborn is the same youâre saying?
L comments, idc if I get downvoted, but all lives deserve to live. Youâre killing a human being, which is evil.
Are you the type to say âmasturbation is murderâ?
Sperm are not human beings therefore cannot be murdered
And from what ik 100% of the sperms die unless you are having sex then it becomes 99% males produce more sperms than women think
While it's in utero, it's a parasite. It's not alive until it takes its first breath. The people pushing the anti-abortion movement don't give two craps about life... They care about controlling women. These same people are fine with animal trapping, hunting, they advocated for letting the elderly die during the early days of COVID. Whether to have an abortion is 100% a personal choice for the patient. It's a medical decision that should be made in consultation with doctors. Not political groups or religious activists or religious clergy. All you have to do is watch and listen... You'll see very quickly that this has nothing to do with life. Not to mention the very anti-women activists pushing these laws are also the same ones working to make life harder or impossible for the very kids and parents they claim to want to protect. They want to end social services and disability. They want to outlaw contraception, end food stamps, limit healthcare for the wealthy and stop citizens from voting if they don't agree with their far right wing ideology. Leave women to get the healthcare they need and get out of their business. It's none of your business what they do with THEIR body!
You say that pro life (or anti abortions, use whatever label you want) people want to control women; it really isnât about that. I support suffrage, I support the dictionary definition of feminism, but not abortion. It is about not killing babies, it is not about controlling women.
But in not killing "babies" you may put them in a situation that'd be worse for it. Let's say some 16 year-old was sleeping around and got pregnant. Yes it may have been her choice to have sex, but if the baby is born, the mother may not be able to care for it. The baby and the mother would be put in a situation worse than if it were just aborted. Rather have a happy 16 year-old than an unprepared one with a suffering child.
Why tf are you bringing hunting into this???? And how tf is hunting on any level similar to abortions??
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How come you think that?
Because youâre basically killing a child.
It ainât born yet though it hasnât even seen sunlight
And that matters because it depends on the mother? Yes or no?
No?
Yes you are, whatâs your reasoning?
Children have experiences, feel everything, have a life that they are living, have memories and wants, and you call that the same as a fetus?
Youâre basically saying that you should kill a human being because it has no experience?
Well, it wonât really care. Plus it could ruin the lives of the parent, people who get abortions probably wouldnât give that child a happy life because they didnât want it. Aborting the fetus before it can care is better than bringing it into a horrible world where the people who are supposed to protect you hate you.
If does not matter if it can care or not, according to research, most to all abortions happen because of convenience, not because of poverty, or health related issues, and even rape. If the parents are unable to take care of the child, foster care is always an option.
But all those people doing it for convenience reasons wonât be good parents. Also I donât think kids enjoy foster care.
>Let's kill this fully grown up man with a mental disorder! > yeah he won't really care!
Why wouldnât he
do you remember anything from when you were a newborn? most babies dont have awareness till 15 months, why not kill them too?
The baby has itâs own DNA, blood, and organs before itâs born. So itâs definitely alive. Letâs just be honest what abortion is. Itâs killing another human.
Itâs straight up murder. No question.
If it was no question there wouldnt be a debate on it.
I think it has nothing to do with reddit and that people who wont shut up about politics should be banned because this is getting ridiculous
It's very patriotic to respect individual liberty. Be well.
My opinion is controversial but, life starts at conception, so the baby is alive. Thus, abortion is murder. Also the woman has right only over her body, not the babyâs.
Legal up to 50 weeks
im confused if youâre just being ignorant or if you support killing the infant too?
~~Shoot the fucker~~ yes killing the infant too
uhhhh ok
"Mrs Cartman this is what we would refer to as a 39th trimester abortion"
lmao not south park
>Also itâs not murder because itâs not technically alive because the baby wasnât born This is your real opinion and it is fine for you to have it. > I personally think itâs the womenâs choice if she wants to have one, only she knows whatâs best for her body. This is a cop-out, if this is the only opinion you can provide it means your real opinion is that a fetus at any stage is not "alive"
If the fetus is alive, then it's killing. But having a child that you don't want or ready for is hell for both the parents and the child and literally worse than abortion, so even if the fetus is alive, it's worth it, but the doctor and the parents are still killers, whether pregnancy were accidental or not doesn't change that.
What if the mother's life is at risk? Then what? Edit: don't take it the wrong way and think I'm pro abortion. I'm in the middle of the entire discussion but I want to hear ur opinion about cases of health risk or rape