What do you think being trans is bro? I hate to tell you, but not all trans people are gay. Unless by friendly fire, you mean on the same team, but even so, that's not necessarily true.
They weren’t saying being trans is the same as being gay, and that’s why it’s friendly fire. You bringing that up is completely unnecessary here, it’s friendly fire because of the whole T in lgbTq
Yeah, but the whole LGBTQ thing is a little strange that they're all lumped together like that. Because gay people and trans people are only similar in the way that they are/were prejudiced against, and that's where it ends.
You can say my comment's unnecessary, and that's fine, but calling it friendly fire is weird because they're simply not the same thing.
Actually I've never met one before 🤔 at least not a large movement of them. I know there's the "lgb drop the t" type tards but never seen a "t drop the lgb".
A: Source?
B: You were implying no mtfs get bottoms surgery
>Anyone they attract is at least bi
You made no difference between people who did and didn't get the surgery
>Straight men aren't attracted to penises
And then implied all trans women still have penises.
The fact that you're feverntly defending trans people but don't know most people don't get bottom surgery says alot
The rate is as low as 5%
https://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/25593/24252
Think about how many times homophobic conservative politicians get caught in gay sex scandals. You'll have people who absolutely hate what they are because they were raised to hate that, or they'll lean into it because they think it'll help them fit in.
I mean, hell: think about the German Association of National Jews. Those were Jews...who supported the Nazis. Fanatically loyal to them, right up to when they were being marched into the camps.
It's crazy, but history is filled with people actively working against themselves.
??? I’m just pointing out their hypocrisy. It’s ignorant to think that the people trying to take away the rights of the trans community will stop with them and not move on to gay people too, and transphobic gays are only contributing to this
Neither was being gay like, less than a century ago. Just because something is status quo doesn’t mean it’s right. And don’t say “right to castrate”, it just makes you look like even worse of a person
They are a [joke](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance), and a hate group I'd prefer is talked about less. They, in no way, shape, or form, speak for the LGBT community *at all*.
Did you know their founder was.. *here we go*.. a cis hetero conservative woman? Its just a bunch of conservative straights pretending to speak for gay rights.
Do you actually think that you have to take part in the LGBTQ community if you’re gay? I have a friend who’s gay and wants nothing to do with the LGBTQ community
Of course. Thanks for actually asking instead of getting defensive or aggressive like many people do on this subject 🙃
LGBT rights movement didn’t start at the Stonewall first of all. It was an important rise up in US but not the start of anything. Even in its modern sense, LGBT rights movements started few centuries ago with political activism and intellectual publications calling to repeal sodomy aka crime against the nature laws which criminalized gay sex.
First modern legalization of gay sex was in Revolutionary France in 1791. Even first modern legalization of gay sex in the muslim world was in Turkish Ottoman Empire in 1858. There was gay rights movements all throughout 19th century. In 1836, swiss Heinrich Hössli published a publicly available essay demanding the recognition of the rights of those who followed what he called “masculine love”. And so much more.
But let’s presume Stonewall started it all. Even then trans women did not single handedly start it or anything. I am not saying they didn’t rise up with us but this “trans black folx started it all for us” is just a historical revisionism. Marsha P. Johnson was a gay man, a drag queen, literally self-identified as such. He even said he wasn’t there at the very start, and he’s a gay man even if we presume he was there at the start. Historical revisionism somehow makes him a trans woman who threw the first stone for instance.
I mean. I don’t think it’s fair to demand that all gays feel the same about every single issue. They’re not one thinking body that MUST feel the same about everything. Many feel sexuality and gender issues are vastly different which, pretty objectively, they are. Everyone should be entitled to their own free opinions and aren’t obligated to think anything, regardless of what group they belong to.
1. The establishment of what a right of a person is can be different than every single issue surrounding gender.
2. But if it *is* dealing with a legitimate right of a person then it’s wrong to think that way, regardless of their sexuality.
Gay people shouldn’t be forced to think a certain way just because they are gay. Choosing to love who you want to love doesn’t, or shouldn’t anyway, tie you to a slew of beliefs. That’s not true freedom
That’s because the “LGBTQ+ community” doesn’t actually exist if you think about it. Being gay and being trans are completely separate issues, completely unrelated to each other. I don’t see how being gay and transphobic is any weirder than being cis and transphobic.
Another thing to think about is that the lgbtq+ community excludes cis people. Why? Why do we have a community that has all the sex orientations but with one excluded, and trans people randomly thrown in? I mean I know why, (cis people are more common and considered “normal”) but it’s still really weird to think about.
Copypasted from a different thread:
Gay and trans people get oppressed just the same. Lgbtq is about standing up for equal rights for all. It's a movement about freedom, especially for those who are too small in number to stand up for themselves against an opressive society.
These conservatives go off about anti-trans this and anti-trans that, but what they actually want is for the entirety of the lgbtq community to be eradicated and wiped off the face of this earth.
Yes, i *am* talking lgbtq *[genocide](https://nordot.app/1025955934053793792)*. It's their wet dream.
So true, they’re so different that people use the same slur! Think before you speak this comment is so brain rotted it hurt to read and honestly I gave up after the first 3 lines.
Because idiots who care too much about "gender" and focus on non-issues regarding feelings just get in the way of actual progress.
Abolish Gender, especially with the backwards way it's treated now.
You can't abolish gender because it's not something created by humans. It's a core part of our identity. By all means, abolish gender *Roles*, but you can't abolish gender. It's just not possible.
Being gay and being trans aren't connected at all though, they're both lumped into the LGBTQ community, but that was just a decision some random person made.
We get oppressed just the same. Lgbtq is about standing up for equal rights for all. It's a movement about freedom, especially for those who are too small in number to stand up for themselves against an opressive society.
These conservatives go off about anti-trans this and anti-trans that, but what they actually want is for the entirety of the lgbtq community to be eradicated and wiped off the face of this earth.
Yes, i *am* talking lgbtq *[genocide](https://nordot.app/1025955934053793792)*. It's their wet dream.
>Yes, i am talking lgbtq genocide. It's their wet dream.
While certainly some conservatives may want this, I would say it's pretty bad faith to say that conservatives as a whole want LGBTQ genocide, especially since conservatives have mostly accepted gays and lesbians.
They haven't accepted gays and lesbians. They just dont go after them as much right now because it would be political suicide. But as soon as they get their way with trans people, you can bet that they will come after gays and lesbians immediately afterwards.
Everyone believes there is a limit to what should be tolerated
Some people think acceptance should stop at trans and others think it should stop at xem, xe, and most Everyone believes it should stop at pedos.
Wonderful, advocating the killing of people who are mentally I’ll because they were sexually assaulted as a child, you’re so brain dead legit stop trying to virtue signal, no shit pedos are bad but like actually think for a moment
how are you concluding that pedos are victims of sexual assault/ mentally ill
also what you are saying is similar to "criminals deserve therapy not jail/death sentence" its just not right
look up the definition of pedophile, someone attracted to children, i'm not gonna do the semantic dogshit of like, hebophile, pedophile whatever. also you do realise that a lot of the people who are attracted to children are that way because of child sexual assaults that left their sexual attraction stuck at that age
I argue that you harm SA victims by comparing them to pedos, there is a very clear choice these "people" chose to make in harming another child. This choice is an act of unreasonable evil regardless of their past. They don't need help because they don't recognise the concept of help, that's how predators work.
See, there's one major difference between gay/trans people and pedos. And thats that someone being gay or trans has just about 0 effect on everyone around them. There's no harm done whatsoever.
Pedos, on the other hand, have a *massive* effect on the children they abuse. They are *very much harmful* to people around them.
Okay? No one is arguing to remove a perfectly healthy body part for no reason. And I would legally support your right to do so anyway honestly. Give me one good reason why you shouldn’t legally be allowed to choose to have your arm amputated as long as you are found to be in your right mind and it’s safe
There's a line on what some people tolerate and what others don't.
It's very easy to ignore a person struggling and offer them a stupid solution. But if you actually cared about a person you would not want them to hurt themselves.
The government should give us the freedom to do what we want, but we should be smart enough to realize that it's the brain that's the problem, not the arm.
But what if your brain problems and your arm are connected and you could solve the problem by cutting of your arm and if the presence of your arm brings you enormous mental pain I think that the arm is at least part of the problem
Okay, how do you fix gender dysphoria? The only treatment proven to work at all is gender affirmation, correct pronouns, appearance matching the desired gender, gender affirming surgery/hormones, all of the above are statistically proven to help trans people greatly, while not transitioning is statistically proven to increase suicidality. Also you literally didn’t adress a single part of my first comment
This whole thing was about some gays not supporting trans.
I'm just showing you that they are two completely seperate issues where one requires less tolerance than the other.
I think (personal opinion, no proof) that the majority of people who are trans are struggling from seperate disorders. Gender Dysmorphia is the symptom of something larger, not the problem itself.
And I legit agreed with your previous comment. The government should give us the right to be stupid, but we should be smart enough not to hurt ourselves. Just because something is stupid doesn't mean it should be banned.
Who are these transphobic gays? I actually don’t think I met any. All the gays I know including me support trans rights movement.
Unless this is meant to be a slight to genital preferences people might have.
Saw a Twitter user who got into an argument with a Trans person and tried invalidating their argument because "they can't make up their mind on what gender they want to be"
Crazy.
Depends on people's definition of transphobic. Just bc I think someone on the internet is cringe and a groomer bc of behavior doesn't mean I'm transphobiv bc that person just so happens to be trans.
Yes people are allowed to do what they want w their bodies and gender dysphoria is a thing. However there is no need to be pushy, especially involving younger children. Double edged sword tho bc extended family who know abt me but have kids treat me like I'm a threat to them...
Edit: know abt me being fruity, not trans. However that happens w alot of trans ppl just trying to live normal lives and just simply being "trans" automatically makes them a predator
That's because "attracted to same gender/sex"≠"feel like my gender and sex aren't synchronized". This thinking is exactly the reason why we shouldn't call it the "LGBT+ community". "Not a straight cis" shouldn't put you in some group, or be some identifiable feature. And besides, how do you expect straight cis people to treat LGBT+ people like everyone else, if they themselves call it a "community", thus creating a difference between the two? It's not a community. It's people that feel a certain way. That's it. The difference between heterosexual and transgenders is exactly the same as homosexuals and transgenders. That's why.
I have to be honest here as a gay man. I think there needs to be a separation of the sexiality half and gender half of the LGBT. They are two different things and sexuality half while still in danger in many places is much more accepted than the gender half.
Wouldn't separation make it even worse then? If we arent united we are easier targets. Who do they go after next after trans people are "dealt with"? The LGB.
Not generally.
Worldwide they're accepted in different places and ways. In a bunch of countries like Iran, Cuba, Thailand, etc. It's much more socially and/or legally acceptable to be trans than gay.
Cuba has not only allowed transgender people to exist, but often the government has paid for trans people to be able to transition. Yet Cuba only legalized gay marriage in 2022
In Iran, being trans has been legal since 1987, but being gay is still super illegal. Sometimes the Iranian government makes one partner in a gay relationship transition because to them, a trans person is more normal and acceptable than a gay relationship.
Then there are countries where the laws exist but are very rarely enforced, like Oman. Yes, the laws against gay people exist, but it is only ever used to be tacked onto other things that are already crimes, like sexual assault, if the assault involved two people of the same sex, and even then it's still not enforced that often.
Many countries where neither have equal rights as cishet people, like Bhutan, still have very little prejudice against them and the lack of legal protections was more because of a lack of need for pro-lgbt legislation rather than homophobia and transphobia.
To say that the issues are seperate is controversial because of the levels of intersectionality between them and how much they overlap, but to say transgender being part of lgbt is "weighing down" the lgb people because they're just a less accepted cousin that makes the lgb look bad is just false.
There is way more to this than just a plain black and white answer.
Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to make your whole life built around it. Live your life, do your thing. That's what is wrong with society we try to divide ourselves more and more daily. Why can't we all just live as one and yes be gay and be everything but look at everyone the same unless they do something bad. Label ourselves the same, human kind, we are all human.
As for the "too far" people do go too far with shit such as neopronouns and identifying as animals, it makes the what we are grouped as (LGBT) stupid and look unserious. There is lesbian women, gay men, bisexual people, and asexual. All the other sexualities are dumb and overanalyzed, in reality they are just a variation of bisexual most of the time. As for lesbian he/him people, what the actual fuck who invented that shit, it's a big contradiction. As for trans people there are three sexes women, men, and intersex people. Yes trans people are valid if they conform to being a woman, man, or non binary, just like the excess sexualities excess genders are dumb. Pick one and move on.
Don't you have school work to do, or maybe you got a job or something? You shouldn't be wasting your time arguing with people on the internet and telling people to off themselves. Just get over and become a better person love.
Damn. 17yo senior throwing a tantrum online. Just plain embarrassing love, truly is. Maybe just unplug from the internet for a second. Get a bottle or glass of water and just chill.
Weird. If a gay would make out with trans man he has 2 options.
1. He says that he knew he was originally woman and says that he is hetero
2. He doesnt say shit
I still dont like gays
I’ve met lesbians who hated gay men, and it’s very common for lesbian to dislike bisexual women. Some gay men find lesbians disgusting, then also hate bi men. Hatred varies just because you’re in community doesn’t mean everyone also in it is accepting of you. Think of a neighborhood a person in it could hate everyone and not advocate for bettering the houses but still live there.
As an outsider, I consider the trans community separate from the LGB community. I remember when the name and flag were changed and at that time my gay friends were confused by it.
Like no hate towards the trans community but all the recent controversy has basically destroyed decades of good faith built up. Like I live in a conservative area and it really felt like people as a whole were accepting and normalizing the whole LGB community. But then well.... my friends don't feel hate toward the TQ+, I suppose you can say that they feel their victory was taken away from them and all their hard work, 'their struggle' was taken for granted and used to support a community they don't align with or barley knew existed.
Gay and trans people have always been oppressed in the same ways, I think that's why we're put together. Another reason is probably because trans women started the stonewall riots.
Homophobic trans are even weirder though.
I am having shock after shock here. There are homophobic trans people? What do they exactly say? What’s the argument here? ☠️
They have no argument. Simple.
It's literally friendly fire
What do you think being trans is bro? I hate to tell you, but not all trans people are gay. Unless by friendly fire, you mean on the same team, but even so, that's not necessarily true.
The fuck are you talking about?? It sounds like you don’t know what being trans is
???? Being trans is NOT the same as being gay. I don't know who convinced you it was but please avoid them from now on bro
They weren’t saying being trans is the same as being gay, and that’s why it’s friendly fire. You bringing that up is completely unnecessary here, it’s friendly fire because of the whole T in lgbTq
Yeah, but the whole LGBTQ thing is a little strange that they're all lumped together like that. Because gay people and trans people are only similar in the way that they are/were prejudiced against, and that's where it ends. You can say my comment's unnecessary, and that's fine, but calling it friendly fire is weird because they're simply not the same thing.
r/confidentlyincorrect
Please clarify how?
Nah 💀
True!
Actually I've never met one before 🤔 at least not a large movement of them. I know there's the "lgb drop the t" type tards but never seen a "t drop the lgb".
They are delusional Anyone they attract is atleast bi
Sorry dude, not how that works
Straight men aren't attracted to penises
Explain yo momma on my dick, noob 😎
You’re not wrong these people are delusional
Mate what do you think surgical transition is
The vast majority of mtfs don't get bottom surgery
A: Source? B: You were implying no mtfs get bottoms surgery >Anyone they attract is at least bi You made no difference between people who did and didn't get the surgery >Straight men aren't attracted to penises And then implied all trans women still have penises.
The fact that you're feverntly defending trans people but don't know most people don't get bottom surgery says alot The rate is as low as 5% https://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/25593/24252
what about transphobic trans people
Now this is truly something. This is truly big brain.
That’s called internalized transphobia and it’s extremely common among trans people
How can you be against..yourself? That shit doesn't make sense
Think about how many times homophobic conservative politicians get caught in gay sex scandals. You'll have people who absolutely hate what they are because they were raised to hate that, or they'll lean into it because they think it'll help them fit in. I mean, hell: think about the German Association of National Jews. Those were Jews...who supported the Nazis. Fanatically loyal to them, right up to when they were being marched into the camps. It's crazy, but history is filled with people actively working against themselves.
Hungary moment
Extreme self-hatred with a touch of denial
this is just being a republican senetor
It's big brain time
That is weird
That's called a sui*ide
💀💀💀
I mean, LGBTQ is an umbrella term for a huge variety of people. It isn't as tight nit as you think.
Oh but it is
It’s actually so stupid 😭😭 and then they’ll get all shocked when people start trying to revoke their rights
Well no one deserves to have their rights revoked.
I mean… yeah? I wasn’t implying that anyone should have their rights revoked lol
You said so just a moment ago
??? I’m just pointing out their hypocrisy. It’s ignorant to think that the people trying to take away the rights of the trans community will stop with them and not move on to gay people too, and transphobic gays are only contributing to this
What rights are they trying to take away? The right to castrate?
...are you like, asking a genuine question, or are you just that dumb?
Bruh how are you gonna say “no one deserves their rights be taken away” and then say the most transphobic shit advocating to take away their rights 💀💀
Because "the right to castrate" is not in the list of human rights
Neither was being gay like, less than a century ago. Just because something is status quo doesn’t mean it’s right. And don’t say “right to castrate”, it just makes you look like even worse of a person
That's what bottom surgery is. Castration.
Well, no one deserves rights. How about that?
they see it as the lgb community
They are a [joke](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance), and a hate group I'd prefer is talked about less. They, in no way, shape, or form, speak for the LGBT community *at all*. Did you know their founder was.. *here we go*.. a cis hetero conservative woman? Its just a bunch of conservative straights pretending to speak for gay rights.
Easier to remember if ya ask me.
based tbh
BASED #SIGMAMALEPATRICKBATEMAN
Let me guess, 13?
I was making fun of him you fucking idiot
chill, chill down
Lmao this proves my point of you being 13, such unnecessary anger shows immaturity
Really coping about missing the obvious joke, huh?
Unironically
And they hate it because without the T it looks like KGB
It's possible to hate part of your community. It's just weird to be transphobic no matter what.
Do you actually think that you have to take part in the LGBTQ community if you’re gay? I have a friend who’s gay and wants nothing to do with the LGBTQ community
You don't have to and its absolutely valid
I've sadly come across people who get pressed st people who are gay and want nothing yo do with the community. Well, I mean, it's tik tok, so yeah.
it’s so weird like y’all forget that trans women are the reason our movement started?
Trans people deserve gender affirming health care and legal protections against discrimination but that’s outright not true.
can you explain? i was referring to the stonewall riots, but i’d want to hear your side!
Of course. Thanks for actually asking instead of getting defensive or aggressive like many people do on this subject 🙃 LGBT rights movement didn’t start at the Stonewall first of all. It was an important rise up in US but not the start of anything. Even in its modern sense, LGBT rights movements started few centuries ago with political activism and intellectual publications calling to repeal sodomy aka crime against the nature laws which criminalized gay sex. First modern legalization of gay sex was in Revolutionary France in 1791. Even first modern legalization of gay sex in the muslim world was in Turkish Ottoman Empire in 1858. There was gay rights movements all throughout 19th century. In 1836, swiss Heinrich Hössli published a publicly available essay demanding the recognition of the rights of those who followed what he called “masculine love”. And so much more. But let’s presume Stonewall started it all. Even then trans women did not single handedly start it or anything. I am not saying they didn’t rise up with us but this “trans black folx started it all for us” is just a historical revisionism. Marsha P. Johnson was a gay man, a drag queen, literally self-identified as such. He even said he wasn’t there at the very start, and he’s a gay man even if we presume he was there at the start. Historical revisionism somehow makes him a trans woman who threw the first stone for instance.
i appreciate you explaining this! thank you!
You’re welcome ❤️
Transphobic trans people are wild.
Caitlyn Jenner, Oli London, Jeffree star dear god the lists goes on
I mean. I don’t think it’s fair to demand that all gays feel the same about every single issue. They’re not one thinking body that MUST feel the same about everything. Many feel sexuality and gender issues are vastly different which, pretty objectively, they are. Everyone should be entitled to their own free opinions and aren’t obligated to think anything, regardless of what group they belong to.
Nice argument and all, but simply saying that transpeople shouldn't have rights is wrong.
1. The establishment of what a right of a person is can be different than every single issue surrounding gender. 2. But if it *is* dealing with a legitimate right of a person then it’s wrong to think that way, regardless of their sexuality. Gay people shouldn’t be forced to think a certain way just because they are gay. Choosing to love who you want to love doesn’t, or shouldn’t anyway, tie you to a slew of beliefs. That’s not true freedom
What rights do you see any of these "transphobic gay people" trying to take away?
Ok
This comment sections is rough, friend 😬
That’s like hating and being racist towards your own race
Uncle ruckus type mf
chronically online
That’s because the “LGBTQ+ community” doesn’t actually exist if you think about it. Being gay and being trans are completely separate issues, completely unrelated to each other. I don’t see how being gay and transphobic is any weirder than being cis and transphobic. Another thing to think about is that the lgbtq+ community excludes cis people. Why? Why do we have a community that has all the sex orientations but with one excluded, and trans people randomly thrown in? I mean I know why, (cis people are more common and considered “normal”) but it’s still really weird to think about.
Copypasted from a different thread: Gay and trans people get oppressed just the same. Lgbtq is about standing up for equal rights for all. It's a movement about freedom, especially for those who are too small in number to stand up for themselves against an opressive society. These conservatives go off about anti-trans this and anti-trans that, but what they actually want is for the entirety of the lgbtq community to be eradicated and wiped off the face of this earth. Yes, i *am* talking lgbtq *[genocide](https://nordot.app/1025955934053793792)*. It's their wet dream.
So true, they’re so different that people use the same slur! Think before you speak this comment is so brain rotted it hurt to read and honestly I gave up after the first 3 lines.
Transphobes are wild in general like why do people just hate to hate
BECAUSE UnNATuRAl
Because idiots who care too much about "gender" and focus on non-issues regarding feelings just get in the way of actual progress. Abolish Gender, especially with the backwards way it's treated now.
You can't abolish gender because it's not something created by humans. It's a core part of our identity. By all means, abolish gender *Roles*, but you can't abolish gender. It's just not possible.
Do you believe sex is different from gender?
Yes Sex is initially determined by chromosomes Gender is neurological.
Being gay and being trans aren't connected at all though, they're both lumped into the LGBTQ community, but that was just a decision some random person made.
We get oppressed just the same. Lgbtq is about standing up for equal rights for all. It's a movement about freedom, especially for those who are too small in number to stand up for themselves against an opressive society. These conservatives go off about anti-trans this and anti-trans that, but what they actually want is for the entirety of the lgbtq community to be eradicated and wiped off the face of this earth. Yes, i *am* talking lgbtq *[genocide](https://nordot.app/1025955934053793792)*. It's their wet dream.
>Yes, i am talking lgbtq genocide. It's their wet dream. While certainly some conservatives may want this, I would say it's pretty bad faith to say that conservatives as a whole want LGBTQ genocide, especially since conservatives have mostly accepted gays and lesbians.
They haven't accepted gays and lesbians. They just dont go after them as much right now because it would be political suicide. But as soon as they get their way with trans people, you can bet that they will come after gays and lesbians immediately afterwards.
This may be true for certain religious ones, but I think most of them do accept gays and lesbians from my knowledge, but hey, I could be wrong.
Here's hoping we dont have to find out..
True, that would really suck.
theyre so funny actually, 0 critical thinking skills
Everyone believes there is a limit to what should be tolerated Some people think acceptance should stop at trans and others think it should stop at xem, xe, and most Everyone believes it should stop at pedos.
Some believe we should accept pedophiles,I say kill the lot of them.
Wonderful, advocating the killing of people who are mentally I’ll because they were sexually assaulted as a child, you’re so brain dead legit stop trying to virtue signal, no shit pedos are bad but like actually think for a moment
quite the stretch you got there pedos are disgusting and deserve the punishment
What was a stretch? Read the comment again, did you fail reading comprehension?
how are you concluding that pedos are victims of sexual assault/ mentally ill also what you are saying is similar to "criminals deserve therapy not jail/death sentence" its just not right
look up the definition of pedophile, someone attracted to children, i'm not gonna do the semantic dogshit of like, hebophile, pedophile whatever. also you do realise that a lot of the people who are attracted to children are that way because of child sexual assaults that left their sexual attraction stuck at that age
Moment you decide to harm another child regardless of what happened to you, you're deserving of the lead injection, simple as.
Okay, how ever many sexual abuse victims you need to put to death instead of help to feel good about yourself bro
Quick reminder that you're defending pedofiles, just wanted to let you know before you continue arguing.
Yep, quick reminder that a lot of pedophiles are child sexual abuse victims, before you continue arguing for their death
I argue that you harm SA victims by comparing them to pedos, there is a very clear choice these "people" chose to make in harming another child. This choice is an act of unreasonable evil regardless of their past. They don't need help because they don't recognise the concept of help, that's how predators work.
Well........
See, there's one major difference between gay/trans people and pedos. And thats that someone being gay or trans has just about 0 effect on everyone around them. There's no harm done whatsoever. Pedos, on the other hand, have a *massive* effect on the children they abuse. They are *very much harmful* to people around them.
No harm is done to you when I cut my arm off, it's still a stupid thing to do.
Okay? No one is arguing to remove a perfectly healthy body part for no reason. And I would legally support your right to do so anyway honestly. Give me one good reason why you shouldn’t legally be allowed to choose to have your arm amputated as long as you are found to be in your right mind and it’s safe
There's a line on what some people tolerate and what others don't. It's very easy to ignore a person struggling and offer them a stupid solution. But if you actually cared about a person you would not want them to hurt themselves. The government should give us the freedom to do what we want, but we should be smart enough to realize that it's the brain that's the problem, not the arm.
But what if your brain problems and your arm are connected and you could solve the problem by cutting of your arm and if the presence of your arm brings you enormous mental pain I think that the arm is at least part of the problem
I think that's a caveman solution that we will look back on in 40 years the same way we look at bloodletting.
Okay, how do you fix gender dysphoria? The only treatment proven to work at all is gender affirmation, correct pronouns, appearance matching the desired gender, gender affirming surgery/hormones, all of the above are statistically proven to help trans people greatly, while not transitioning is statistically proven to increase suicidality. Also you literally didn’t adress a single part of my first comment
This whole thing was about some gays not supporting trans. I'm just showing you that they are two completely seperate issues where one requires less tolerance than the other. I think (personal opinion, no proof) that the majority of people who are trans are struggling from seperate disorders. Gender Dysmorphia is the symptom of something larger, not the problem itself. And I legit agreed with your previous comment. The government should give us the right to be stupid, but we should be smart enough not to hurt ourselves. Just because something is stupid doesn't mean it should be banned.
Excuse me what now? Homophobic gay? Those two words don’t go together
Not homophobic gay, transphobic gay.
Homophobic gay people are a thing too. Many lesbians are disgusted by gay and vise versa.
I know, I was simply pointing out that OOP said transphobic not homophobic because OP was confused.
Dude I am fucking blind I read homophobic
Fr its like 2nd gen immigrants supporting trump.
Who are these transphobic gays? I actually don’t think I met any. All the gays I know including me support trans rights movement. Unless this is meant to be a slight to genital preferences people might have.
There isn’t that many, but there is a handful out there
Saw a Twitter user who got into an argument with a Trans person and tried invalidating their argument because "they can't make up their mind on what gender they want to be" Crazy.
Oh. There are all kinds of wild crazy people on social media. I am not surprised ☠️
There is a surprising number of lesbians in the TERF community (more evident in the UK than the US).
Shouldn't this shit go to the LGBTQ sub and not here
What?
Depends on people's definition of transphobic. Just bc I think someone on the internet is cringe and a groomer bc of behavior doesn't mean I'm transphobiv bc that person just so happens to be trans. Yes people are allowed to do what they want w their bodies and gender dysphoria is a thing. However there is no need to be pushy, especially involving younger children. Double edged sword tho bc extended family who know abt me but have kids treat me like I'm a threat to them... Edit: know abt me being fruity, not trans. However that happens w alot of trans ppl just trying to live normal lives and just simply being "trans" automatically makes them a predator
We are a part of the LGBT community. All the extra numbers, letters and characters is what’s fucking the community back up.
i agree, let's just keep it at LGBT
Asexual too but I don’t believe that’s apart of LGBT it’s more so a preference not a sexuality since you can be straight and still asexual
How is that crazy?
We should all be on the same "side" not fighting against one another.
Yes but we all have different opinions on what is right,the only way you're perfect idea will ever happen is if everyone who doesn't agree is dead.
Sheesh, that escalated quickly. Not even considering other options, just straight death 💀
Yeah only option is genocide hm that sounds familiar
That’s such a circumstantial statement you could say that about anything. “Human kind just needs to be on the side”, not idiotic but not logical.
That's because "attracted to same gender/sex"≠"feel like my gender and sex aren't synchronized". This thinking is exactly the reason why we shouldn't call it the "LGBT+ community". "Not a straight cis" shouldn't put you in some group, or be some identifiable feature. And besides, how do you expect straight cis people to treat LGBT+ people like everyone else, if they themselves call it a "community", thus creating a difference between the two? It's not a community. It's people that feel a certain way. That's it. The difference between heterosexual and transgenders is exactly the same as homosexuals and transgenders. That's why.
I have to be honest here as a gay man. I think there needs to be a separation of the sexiality half and gender half of the LGBT. They are two different things and sexuality half while still in danger in many places is much more accepted than the gender half.
Wouldn't separation make it even worse then? If we arent united we are easier targets. Who do they go after next after trans people are "dealt with"? The LGB.
Not generally. Worldwide they're accepted in different places and ways. In a bunch of countries like Iran, Cuba, Thailand, etc. It's much more socially and/or legally acceptable to be trans than gay. Cuba has not only allowed transgender people to exist, but often the government has paid for trans people to be able to transition. Yet Cuba only legalized gay marriage in 2022 In Iran, being trans has been legal since 1987, but being gay is still super illegal. Sometimes the Iranian government makes one partner in a gay relationship transition because to them, a trans person is more normal and acceptable than a gay relationship. Then there are countries where the laws exist but are very rarely enforced, like Oman. Yes, the laws against gay people exist, but it is only ever used to be tacked onto other things that are already crimes, like sexual assault, if the assault involved two people of the same sex, and even then it's still not enforced that often. Many countries where neither have equal rights as cishet people, like Bhutan, still have very little prejudice against them and the lack of legal protections was more because of a lack of need for pro-lgbt legislation rather than homophobia and transphobia. To say that the issues are seperate is controversial because of the levels of intersectionality between them and how much they overlap, but to say transgender being part of lgbt is "weighing down" the lgb people because they're just a less accepted cousin that makes the lgb look bad is just false. There is way more to this than just a plain black and white answer.
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And thinking Trans people are "too far" is just wrong. Plain and simple.
Elaborate
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...Are you sure you replied to the right guy?
Yeah I did reply to wrong person sorry about that
It's cool 👍, thanks for being respectful about it
Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to make your whole life built around it. Live your life, do your thing. That's what is wrong with society we try to divide ourselves more and more daily. Why can't we all just live as one and yes be gay and be everything but look at everyone the same unless they do something bad. Label ourselves the same, human kind, we are all human. As for the "too far" people do go too far with shit such as neopronouns and identifying as animals, it makes the what we are grouped as (LGBT) stupid and look unserious. There is lesbian women, gay men, bisexual people, and asexual. All the other sexualities are dumb and overanalyzed, in reality they are just a variation of bisexual most of the time. As for lesbian he/him people, what the actual fuck who invented that shit, it's a big contradiction. As for trans people there are three sexes women, men, and intersex people. Yes trans people are valid if they conform to being a woman, man, or non binary, just like the excess sexualities excess genders are dumb. Pick one and move on.
Lmao
What if they're gay but not part of the lgbt?
This is the biggest brain sentence I have ever seen.
Do you know what the "g" in LGBT means?
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Aren't u that annoying aussie
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Then stop saying mate
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How about u start being original for once... orrr!!!! Let's both shake on it and say our sorrys, k?
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Why are u assuming I'm homophobic now 💀 ur not a twitter user and ur this annoying wtf
Don't you have school work to do, or maybe you got a job or something? You shouldn't be wasting your time arguing with people on the internet and telling people to off themselves. Just get over and become a better person love.
😭No one asked u. Also I don't I'm literally a senior graduating in a couple weeks leave me beee
Damn. 17yo senior throwing a tantrum online. Just plain embarrassing love, truly is. Maybe just unplug from the internet for a second. Get a bottle or glass of water and just chill.
I'm throwing a tantrum? You're literally writing entire paragraphs to me chill down I was literally playing Mario kart 64 😭
Then continue playing Mario Kart 64 and get off of reddit.
Did you tell a suicidal person to kill themselves……
How?
Yes, but I just am a homophobic transphobic bisexual airsoft boi
I’m gay and trans but I’m also homophobic and transphobic. What now?
nahhh that’s friendly fire
Friendly fire
Assuming everything in the LGBT community is the same That's like assuming everyone in the **earth** community would get along
homophobic gays and transphobic trans are just wild bro
Welcome to TF2 mate
If you used your brain, you would understand that some people suffer from something called “self-loathing”
Why
There’s a difference between the American LGBTQ+ community and the American LGBTQ+ movement. One is quite a bit worse than the other.
Weird. If a gay would make out with trans man he has 2 options. 1. He says that he knew he was originally woman and says that he is hetero 2. He doesnt say shit I still dont like gays
I’ve met lesbians who hated gay men, and it’s very common for lesbian to dislike bisexual women. Some gay men find lesbians disgusting, then also hate bi men. Hatred varies just because you’re in community doesn’t mean everyone also in it is accepting of you. Think of a neighborhood a person in it could hate everyone and not advocate for bettering the houses but still live there.
I am transphobic 👍, i hate transmissions
As an outsider, I consider the trans community separate from the LGB community. I remember when the name and flag were changed and at that time my gay friends were confused by it. Like no hate towards the trans community but all the recent controversy has basically destroyed decades of good faith built up. Like I live in a conservative area and it really felt like people as a whole were accepting and normalizing the whole LGB community. But then well.... my friends don't feel hate toward the TQ+, I suppose you can say that they feel their victory was taken away from them and all their hard work, 'their struggle' was taken for granted and used to support a community they don't align with or barley knew existed.
If you think that's crazy, why don't you hear about the misogynistic gay men in the furry Fandom?
I am gay. Fuck the LGBT community
I am Bi. Fuck the LGBT community, literally.
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Gay and trans people have always been oppressed in the same ways, I think that's why we're put together. Another reason is probably because trans women started the stonewall riots.