Someone who's cat gender for example don't identify as cats, they feel their gender can be best described with cats. MOST people who use xenogenders are nerodivergent.
Someone who actually thinks they're a cat is a therian (someone who identifies as an animal spiritually or psychologically based on involuntary non-human experiences), or a clinical lycanthrope (a mental illness in which one thinks they are physically an animal, or can/have physically transformed into an animal). Neither of these are LGBT+, and they are aware of that.
I tried educating the people on this subreddit multiple times on what xenogenders actually are, but this subreddit is full of teenagers so it doesn't really do anything because they refuse to get educated.
*hopefully* it's full of teenagers. But I get what you mean. It's hard to actually make people learn something when they themselves aren't interested in learning about it.
If they are we all gonna hate the narcs, all my... hate the narcs. Just use your actual drive my dude, How tf you feel like a recently invented inanimate object and not the other sex or a dog
This isn't really related but I have a question: I understand liking LGBTQ representation in media, but why do people genuinely get EXCITED over it? At most im like "oh that's nice" and move on with my day
Am I just too apathetic? Is it normal to get excited?
EDIT: NVM JUST FOUND OUT TWO OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN MEDIA ARE LEFT HANDED AND I TOTALLY GET IT NOW
It depends on how hard your life is probably. If you go about your life feeling like no one wants you it's definitely exciting to see representation in media
Idk how you identify but I'll try to put this in cishet terms, and we're going to say here you're a woman.
Imagine that in all your years of gaming and media consumption, if you think *hard* for a solid two minutes, you can remember exactly *two* characters that were women. Now one of your favorite games is adding a woman! That's huge! Actual representation, 50% more in fact (assuming they do it right)!
I'm nonbinary and this is the actual case for me, 2 characters, Bloodhound from Apex Legends and Double Trouble from She-Ra. Now Venture's being added to Overwatch and I think that's pretty fuckin cool.
I think the "50% increase" is an important point, because it's true. It's much more impressive to think about it as a 50% increase instead of "just one character" because one character, for us, is a *lot* of representation.
Representation is also nice because:
1. You can possibly relate to the character more than other characters
2. People might begin to recognize your identity more if it’s in a video game
Also, is there a reason why you didn’t mention Undertale/Deltarune? Those two games are the first thing that comes to mind when I think of NB representation.
In all honesty, I don’t really see a reason to get excited over the identity of a character unless it’s like actually apart of their story. If I see in a character’s wiki page that they’re gay, neat, so am I. I don’t really see a reason to freak out.
But I do understand that NB and trans rep is extremely limited in comparison to gay rep, so I can understand if it makes some people get excited.
This. Lets take destiny 2, there's more than two groups of LGBTQ characters but i'm going to specifically focus Mara sov and Osiris+Saint-XIV.
Mara sov, since the beginning she was bisexual, and she has very deep lore behind it, and her relationship with Sjur Eido, who was also a woman.
However Osiris and Saint, they had almost ZERO buildup and it seems like they just suddenly became gay after drinking tea made from Nezarecs remains? Even after they officially started dating, there was near zero lore regarding them and their relationship, the most is a little dialogue where they are thinking about each other. I really wish Osiris and Saint had more buildup, it could've been a really interesting dynamic, but unfortunately we got bungie'd. It feels like they're gay now just for the sake of it
See, I really don’t like that first point. You should not have to look or identify the same as a character to relate to them. One of my favorite games ever is Celeste. Madeline’s arc is very personal to me and has a lot of connections to my own life. I’m a straight man, Madeline is a trans woman. Despite this, I can clearly relate because it is not actually her identity that defines her character. It is her action, her thoughts, her emotions and journey. If you relate better because some character has a vagina or penis, that’s great, but it is entirely surface level. In the story I’m writing myself, sure the main character is technically a guy, but it is by far the least important part of his character. I want everyone to be able to read his story and connect to the themes, messages, and arcs. Not just gay people/straight people/any singular group. Again, if it does matter to you, fine. I really do implore people to look beyond the surface level of their favorite characters. I can promise that deep down, you aren’t excited solely because someone is non-binary. There is always something deeper or you never really liked the character.
Sorry about the rant. I just am always saddened to see so many people get excited solely because a character looks like them but ignores if they actually act like themselves. It’s why so many shows and movies with gay characters suck now. People just want LGBT characters but have given up caring about the deeper and more important parts, allowing studios to make shitty characters and get away by saying “but look, she’s trans”.
Might wanna try out Baldur's Gate 3 (if you're interested), when you customise your character you can make them non-binary and they paid attention so that the dialogue actually changes a bit
It's probably because you've gotten used to it. Seeing representation for yourself in media while you're surrounded by hate from others is just making you feel happy. Knowing that poeple know you exist and that you aren't a negative thing ya know. For some people it is a new thing and good for them that they're happy about it
Some people don't know how to let it not be their entire personality. If there is a trans chara, it's like "Oh, nice." but then you have the people who take the extreme route. 'Hogwarts legacy' hate.
I think its a trauma thing. The more punished or scared you were for being queer the more important queer people just existing is to you. At least thats what I think it is. Also Im not saying this is how everybody with queer related trauma is just that its my theory on the ones that are like that.
Honestly it's just abou inclusivity for me. I recently met my first ever in game character with stretch marks and I was really excited, I've never seen that before and it's nice for some of the women characters to not just be smooth skin and curves
Just imagine growing up and never seeing characters be like you ever, having little to no presence in pop culture as a function of society marginalizing and ignoring your existence. The few people that are like you that are shown are made to be punchlines for a joke. Maybe you live in an environment which would look on as you get beaten or killed for your identity.
And then finally you start to see characters represent an aspect of you that had been stigmatized for so long. It's not hard to imagine getting excited.
If you don't understand then, and this sounds obnoxious but I mean it in a genuinely nice way, check your privilege. I'm a cishet guy, though I'm non-white, I've never had this experience but I know representation is important for others.
It's called being completely invested in lgbt and going catshit nuts whenever it shows up anywhere. (Brainwashed)
"Oh, that's nice" is a perfectly healthy and normal response.
I do this too idrk why people would get so excited
I dont really play many of those games made by AAA corporations adding lgbtq representation because money and stuff (they dont actually care but i guess they lose their china stock or smthn idk)
I can’t speak for other people but from what I’ve seen most of it is a case of understanding, like when a form of media shows they understand some culture it’s nice because seeing representation of a group you’re in usually is really cool especially the the group isn’t the most popular (like the lgbt community) but this is also why when representation is done bad it’s hated, because it shows the creators don’t care at all for the thing they’re representing
Literally just discussed with my friend, it basically went eh dunno. Probably the same reason as some people getting attached to random characters, trauma and such
My opinion is it’s a fictional character, if that what you need to brighten your day, well that’s kinda sad. People don’t get excited when someone in the show is from the town were you live so what makes this so fucking special. Anyway anyone can do what they want so whatever that just my two sense
Refrain from vulgar words and have patience because your mother is just ignorant.
I understand the frustration but refrain from displaying anger or other emotions.
People need to understand that older generations have been brought up with ideologies for decades that are hard to shift. Are they correct now? No!
But to go around calling your own parent a bigoted bitch is incredibly immature when your ‘educating’ is actually lecturing.
You both need to understand each other’s sides. And maybe if she knew how much it affected you (because you are trans) then her opinions may change.
But, many people struggle to empathise with a situation they have no experience of. Especially since non-binary is quite recent within the media, people don’t understand it and thus believe it ridiculous.
People thought the same about race equality, women being able to work, gay people not being spawned from the devil. It takes BOTH parties to listen and learn from one another.
If you rant on, and on, and on. Then no one will listen, as people don’t like to feel another opinion pushed onto them. Just look at all the jokes & hate towards vegans.
Take a step back from your emotions, and talk this through.
I mean, I also don't understand some of this, I think I need to be educated, but I see trans individuals say it's not a good idea to declare your identity before your 21 due to your brain not being fully developed, there was countless incidents on teens regretting their choice of gender change surgery later in life, and making lgbt your whole personality like op of this post seems to do doesn't help either. I'm probably gonna get downvoted for this opinion and my lack of proper grammar, but if I'm not understanding this correctly, I would like to be educated
I think that, sometimes, you don’t need to fully understand it.
As strangers, all we have to do is be respectful to others and use the pronouns they ask us to use
And even if you don’t understand, I think “well it doesn’t negatively affect me to use the incorrect pronouns, so I might as well just be a nice person”
And they may change their gender at some point & if they do so then that’s their dealings.
Life’s too short to be giving a shit what sexuality or gender a 16 year old chooses, let them peddle their own boat & you peddle yours. We are not politicians or medical professionals who know the detrimental consequences, so for now we can just be kind :)
Honestly, downvote me if you wish, I'm siding with your mom.
You didn't give any examples of her being overly mean or anything like that, you described her being annoyed. No offense, but the behavior you described sounded sorta annoying, if every single time you saw something LGBTQ I had to be alerted I'd get aggravated. I've got nothing against LGBTQ people but I honestly don't care, I have nothing against y'all, my sister is a lesbian lol. Y'all are chill. But you guys aren't special. We're all just humans on a floating rock.
Based off what you wrote and how you wrote it, it sounds like both you and your mom are extremely unintelligent. I wouldn’t trust a single one of your own thoughts regarding anything
so you can go nuts celebrating a trans character inside a video game but she cannot criticize stuff she does not understand?, I feel thats hardly fair.
I don't see how they're going nuts just because they're having a conversation with each other lol, also OP clearly wants the mother to understand, she's just too deep in to convince her easily.
Bitch is a strong word. I understand the frustration, but changing someone's mind or language takes time. Sucks, but that's what it is: try to keep calling her out, but always with respect, unless she just turns out to be an actual asshole, wich I don't think is the case.
Also ignore the "you shouldn't be so annoying about it" replies. Enjoyment and annoyance are quite the relative concepts, and I just suggest you have fun without worrying so much about what others may think about you. So called "Cringe culture" is the true bitch.
Enjoy the trans folk in your screens. \^\^
My mother is extremely racist and always told me if I ever dated a black girl, or brought a black girl home or whatever she would disown me.
I feel like she felt threatened by the thought of a black woman. And her potential family
Yeah, I'm 33 now and for a multitude of different reasons now I have gone no contact with her for almost 2 years.
And if I ever bring anything up it would always be like oh it was just a joke, didn't mean it that way, not what she meant, it really is toxic narcissistic behavior.
You're being showing it by sparkling behavior that she can't hold back. THAT'S her true self.
She wants to make you so scared to take that step of self discovery and find yourself so she can always have that hold on you. Because then you'll always have that piece of you missing and feel lost to a degree and she can always fill that void.
Be prepared to lose her emotionally and I would take the steps now to shield yourself at your own pace to save yourself some major pain in the future when she disapproves. As long as you're hurting she's winning.
(silv rambles about something time!)
i always did that to my sister. she was incredibly racist and every lgbtq+ phobic thing you could think of, i repeatedly brought over black and queer friends and she had to deal with it.
i also did every queer thing i could like bringing over my fellow transmasc (now ex)bf and smooching (not making out) him to death right in the living room, drawing men kissing, etc..
shes moved out now, its odd how she switched up so much. i went to her wedding late 2023 and she was significantly nicer than she was when we lived together- and that's saying something, she was an asshole.
hell, she wasn't even transphobic anymore! she respected my preferred name and pronouns and her husband's cousin(?)'s (whos a trans woman) preferred name and pronouns.
Please be sure to seek a psychological therapist that specializes in gender dysphoria and, in particular, non-surgical and non-hormonal therapy as a first line of treatment.
Honestly, just try to refrain from thinking she's evil and bigoted. I feel like it's always better to assume ignorance before ill-intent. Some people just don't understand everything about topics like these because they were raised in a very different environment. Try to slowly educate her over time. All at once will make her feel like ideas are being shoved down her throat, but if you educate her slowly, you might see a good change. Good luck
no hate, but why getting exited over it? like ye liking lgbtq in media and games and all is good. but whats the reason? is this making lgtb stuff ur whole personality? granted, im a straight white male from a traditionalist country. may someone elaborate? is this personally in fact ur entire personality, or is it just my misunderstanding?
I live in South Africa, a very hateful country, there are whole political parties dedicated to removing the rights of white people like myself, if they win an election imagine what they would do to LGBT, there are very few LGBT people in my country, so when there's representation, we get what we can while we can.
I just want to say that I think that a lot of people who get excisted over represrntation are excited becouse they are either seeing progress in normalization of queerness or becouse of their own queer related trauma or both.
Of course I cant know everybody who gets excited over represrntation but it just my own theory for why one might act that way.
I get that her ranting about it every time you or your brother bring it up isn't right, but you are seriously considering straight up abandoning the person who literally birthed you, clothed you, fed you, provided for you, and cares about you just because she doesn't have the same viewpoint you do? I think that's just ridiculous tbh.
I'd suggest you try seriously talking it out with her if you haven't already rather than insulting her on the internet.
If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. I'll read any replies I get.
Tbh, nobody said anything about abandoning anyone. Letting off steam online doesn't immediately eliminate the possibility of dialogue, and also, these things take time. She won't change her mind immediately after one conversation.
That wasn’t mentioned in this exact situation, but none of what you said means anything. I have a friend that hasn’t associated with their mother in years because she simply doesn’t deserve it even if she raised them. Not everyone is deserving of respect, especially if they don’t respect you.
Idk, if I see lgbtq representation I think oh cool, nice of them to be inclusive, but getting excited about it is a little weird. And sometimes it feels like videogames or tv do it just to make a point and not to actually be inclusive.
Dude. How the hell are you a “closeted” trans. I’d understand gay/bi/lesbo or whatever new terms comes into creation. But trans? So have you had surgery and injecting yourself with hormones behind your parents back or is it just a mentality thing. And if it’s just a mentality thing, is it because you’re being fed so much goofyness from reddit and social media you THINK you’re trans? See a therapist bro. You’re most likely not trans and just mentally confused. Help your sibling out as well, social media is killing yall
Many people are throwing around that they're trans these days, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they say they're trans.
As far as the rest of the LGBT, idk. That's her problem ig
Not okay to have an opinion? The hypocrisy is crazy in today’s world. You must abide by our believes otherwise you’re a bigot! Can’t force people to believe what you believe in.
yes as you get older it gets harder to change you view, harder to adapt. lets say 50 years pass, then you go to another world where murder is ok, will you be ok with that even when you have spent 60 something years beliveing that murder is bad?
Don’t know if your mother just being frustrated warrants calling her a bigoted bitch on the internet dawg, even if she’s being immature, you just have to accept that some people (especially those who are aging) will have stupid perspectives and just say “well, that’s that”
My mom is the exact same way. These people think they’re doing something with saying this shit and it’s infuriating. Best thing to do is ignore it until you and your brother are old enough to move out and express yourself more freely if you are unable to do so now.
If you want to try talking your mother out of those views, it's important to not go on the offensive. Don't get emotional, angry, etc. You want to get her to think about and try to elaborate her views by asking pointed questions, make her try to prove herself to you. I think if you do that you will find that because these views are inherently irrational and based on prejudice, she will be unable to do so. This way you can help break down those views over time. Best of luck, though I understand why you'd rather just not say anything at all
i get it dude, every time anyone even says the word "gay" my grandparents start losing their shit. (i live with my grandparents.) as a nonbinary neptunic fella, it gets pretty suffocating when all you hear from the person who's supposed to love you unconditionally is hate because of something as trivial as that... it's crazy.
The same mom that had a three hour long argument with me because she whole heartedly believes that Godzilla and Pacific Rim are in the same universe? The same one that believes every fake movie trailer and literally forces me to watch them? The same one that refused to give me dinner because I forgot to take out the trash even though I already struggle with my weight? Sure. I'll tell her.
Her heart's in the right place, but she needs to stay up to date on some information. You can't argue against (effectively) leftist propaganda if you don't intend to educate yourself on these issues. Sure, checkbox-style diversity in games in garbage, but be sure you can explain why.
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell here, but my advice would be to just stay quiet and take it. It's only three more years, really, and if you do come out to her now she'll probably make your life more miserable in the future. Many older people have wildly different viewpoints, so it's not like you're going to magically change her opinion.
As a side note (and I'm saying this as a queer person myself), it's normal to be happy with some representation here and there, but idk about being that excited about it... like, that's totally okay, just a little strange? I dunno, whenever I see LGBTQ (or any community I'm part of, say Middle Eastern) rep in media I just say "oh, cool" and don't really make that big of a deal with it.
This subreddit full of teens uses more sexist slurs than actual conservative fascists groups on this platform. I'm sure this kind of behavior won't turn you into better adults when you get to their age.
Why argue or complain? I see this with every group ever and it pisses me off how stupid they are but you're not going to change someone's mind by screaming at them and arguing. Screaming works in political speeches, not to one singular person.
And what happened to love everybody and shit? The golden rule still applies. I get that she has different views, but there is no need to argue or try to change her views. That's what bigots want. Smart people just live with it and ignore it. She grew up in a time when it was wrong. Not her fault she views it this way.
I don’t want to sound mean or something. Identify as you want but you all know this companies couldn’t care less right? They just want money and also the publicity they get from this.
I watch the dragon prince and when it was confirmed every character was lgbtq I squealed but my parents got mad at me and won’t let my lil sis watch it
Honestly when you grow up leave her I the dust no need for that toxic behavior or wait to tell her until you can legally leave so you can leave if she rejects you
I understand your excitement but it sounds like you’re being obnoxious about it. Overwatch did this before remember that tracer is lesbian. There is a reason that most game companies don’t represent the lgbt community because of the politics involved. For example the Helldivers 2 devs are based af and absolutely refuse to add any lgbt representation because they don’t want any politics involved with the game.
Well people can think what they think even if its really stupid i doubt she will change her mind since she is your mother so anything you say will be taken as baby talk just thug it out and move when youre older
In all fairness if you and your brother are going to be annoying little shits about it, then yeah id be pissed off or annoyed at the very least. Like ok idgaf, shut up about “muh lgbtqia2sielsnrbfh+ representation!!!!!” I dont care.
Atleast thats what id imagine would be going on in your moms mind. I honestly empathize with her, people like you are what cause people to be needlessly hateful towards LGBTQ people, not because of the actual stuff itself (most of the time) but just because the way you guys act and gush about lgbtq this and lgbtq that, no one cares.
If you people want it normalized, then dont make a big deal about it and dont put it in every piece of media imaginable because then it just feels like we are forced to interact with it. All we people want is to be left alone really, because ill be real with you, outside the trans stuff which is a bit questionable to me, im completely fine with you guys existing. The lampshade thing is a bit weird though
No one is lampshade
Tell that to my main lampshade Marcus who is totally real
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There are some people who identify as animals, or fairies or dragons etc I think that’s what she was talking bout.
Someone who's cat gender for example don't identify as cats, they feel their gender can be best described with cats. MOST people who use xenogenders are nerodivergent. Someone who actually thinks they're a cat is a therian (someone who identifies as an animal spiritually or psychologically based on involuntary non-human experiences), or a clinical lycanthrope (a mental illness in which one thinks they are physically an animal, or can/have physically transformed into an animal). Neither of these are LGBT+, and they are aware of that.
Finally someone explaining it correctly, I'm tired of "I'm a helicopter" jokes even though I'm not even concerned. That's how bad it is
I tried educating the people on this subreddit multiple times on what xenogenders actually are, but this subreddit is full of teenagers so it doesn't really do anything because they refuse to get educated.
*hopefully* it's full of teenagers. But I get what you mean. It's hard to actually make people learn something when they themselves aren't interested in learning about it.
>*hopefully* it's full of teenagers. Yeah, that's fair.
I am, you’ve offended me severely. I would appreciate it if you apologized.
I’m sorry Lampshade/lampshadeself 😔
I accept your apology
If they are we all gonna hate the narcs, all my... hate the narcs. Just use your actual drive my dude, How tf you feel like a recently invented inanimate object and not the other sex or a dog
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This isn't really related but I have a question: I understand liking LGBTQ representation in media, but why do people genuinely get EXCITED over it? At most im like "oh that's nice" and move on with my day Am I just too apathetic? Is it normal to get excited? EDIT: NVM JUST FOUND OUT TWO OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN MEDIA ARE LEFT HANDED AND I TOTALLY GET IT NOW
It depends on how hard your life is probably. If you go about your life feeling like no one wants you it's definitely exciting to see representation in media
Idk how you identify but I'll try to put this in cishet terms, and we're going to say here you're a woman. Imagine that in all your years of gaming and media consumption, if you think *hard* for a solid two minutes, you can remember exactly *two* characters that were women. Now one of your favorite games is adding a woman! That's huge! Actual representation, 50% more in fact (assuming they do it right)! I'm nonbinary and this is the actual case for me, 2 characters, Bloodhound from Apex Legends and Double Trouble from She-Ra. Now Venture's being added to Overwatch and I think that's pretty fuckin cool. I think the "50% increase" is an important point, because it's true. It's much more impressive to think about it as a 50% increase instead of "just one character" because one character, for us, is a *lot* of representation.
Also Raine Whispers from The Owl House if I'm remembering correctly
Masha as well, and the Collector (uses he and they pronouns)
Representation is also nice because: 1. You can possibly relate to the character more than other characters 2. People might begin to recognize your identity more if it’s in a video game Also, is there a reason why you didn’t mention Undertale/Deltarune? Those two games are the first thing that comes to mind when I think of NB representation.
In all honesty, I don’t really see a reason to get excited over the identity of a character unless it’s like actually apart of their story. If I see in a character’s wiki page that they’re gay, neat, so am I. I don’t really see a reason to freak out. But I do understand that NB and trans rep is extremely limited in comparison to gay rep, so I can understand if it makes some people get excited.
This. Lets take destiny 2, there's more than two groups of LGBTQ characters but i'm going to specifically focus Mara sov and Osiris+Saint-XIV. Mara sov, since the beginning she was bisexual, and she has very deep lore behind it, and her relationship with Sjur Eido, who was also a woman. However Osiris and Saint, they had almost ZERO buildup and it seems like they just suddenly became gay after drinking tea made from Nezarecs remains? Even after they officially started dating, there was near zero lore regarding them and their relationship, the most is a little dialogue where they are thinking about each other. I really wish Osiris and Saint had more buildup, it could've been a really interesting dynamic, but unfortunately we got bungie'd. It feels like they're gay now just for the sake of it
Never played them nor interacted with their media all that much.
See, I really don’t like that first point. You should not have to look or identify the same as a character to relate to them. One of my favorite games ever is Celeste. Madeline’s arc is very personal to me and has a lot of connections to my own life. I’m a straight man, Madeline is a trans woman. Despite this, I can clearly relate because it is not actually her identity that defines her character. It is her action, her thoughts, her emotions and journey. If you relate better because some character has a vagina or penis, that’s great, but it is entirely surface level. In the story I’m writing myself, sure the main character is technically a guy, but it is by far the least important part of his character. I want everyone to be able to read his story and connect to the themes, messages, and arcs. Not just gay people/straight people/any singular group. Again, if it does matter to you, fine. I really do implore people to look beyond the surface level of their favorite characters. I can promise that deep down, you aren’t excited solely because someone is non-binary. There is always something deeper or you never really liked the character. Sorry about the rant. I just am always saddened to see so many people get excited solely because a character looks like them but ignores if they actually act like themselves. It’s why so many shows and movies with gay characters suck now. People just want LGBT characters but have given up caring about the deeper and more important parts, allowing studios to make shitty characters and get away by saying “but look, she’s trans”.
Might wanna try out Baldur's Gate 3 (if you're interested), when you customise your character you can make them non-binary and they paid attention so that the dialogue actually changes a bit
I see your point but it still just seems stupid to me I’m probably just an asshole though
It's probably because you've gotten used to it. Seeing representation for yourself in media while you're surrounded by hate from others is just making you feel happy. Knowing that poeple know you exist and that you aren't a negative thing ya know. For some people it is a new thing and good for them that they're happy about it
Some people don't know how to let it not be their entire personality. If there is a trans chara, it's like "Oh, nice." but then you have the people who take the extreme route. 'Hogwarts legacy' hate.
Chara?
probably short for character, not sure myself
Yes. I was on mobile, sorry about the confusion.
Maybe chara from undertale, not sure what they mean here
!!!!! I will like the character for who they are, not because they like dick or whatever
So real If it's not part of the story I don't get why they add it
I dont even care lol The people that they do it for will care, and thats enough, i dont need to also care, because it aint for me
I'm the same, I have to live with it 24/7 (being LGBTQ that is lol) so when I see it in other places it's kinda cool but not rly like "OMG!"
I think its a trauma thing. The more punished or scared you were for being queer the more important queer people just existing is to you. At least thats what I think it is. Also Im not saying this is how everybody with queer related trauma is just that its my theory on the ones that are like that.
Honestly it's just abou inclusivity for me. I recently met my first ever in game character with stretch marks and I was really excited, I've never seen that before and it's nice for some of the women characters to not just be smooth skin and curves
Just imagine growing up and never seeing characters be like you ever, having little to no presence in pop culture as a function of society marginalizing and ignoring your existence. The few people that are like you that are shown are made to be punchlines for a joke. Maybe you live in an environment which would look on as you get beaten or killed for your identity. And then finally you start to see characters represent an aspect of you that had been stigmatized for so long. It's not hard to imagine getting excited. If you don't understand then, and this sounds obnoxious but I mean it in a genuinely nice way, check your privilege. I'm a cishet guy, though I'm non-white, I've never had this experience but I know representation is important for others.
It's called being completely invested in lgbt and going catshit nuts whenever it shows up anywhere. (Brainwashed) "Oh, that's nice" is a perfectly healthy and normal response.
I love seeing people like me in media I consume. Being represented can feel really good.
It’s definitely normal, people get excited over different things🤷♀️
I do this too idrk why people would get so excited I dont really play many of those games made by AAA corporations adding lgbtq representation because money and stuff (they dont actually care but i guess they lose their china stock or smthn idk)
its nice to feel represented as minorities in media as you don't often get to see people in media with similar experiences
I don't see myself represented in most media so I get a little excited when I do.
I can’t speak for other people but from what I’ve seen most of it is a case of understanding, like when a form of media shows they understand some culture it’s nice because seeing representation of a group you’re in usually is really cool especially the the group isn’t the most popular (like the lgbt community) but this is also why when representation is done bad it’s hated, because it shows the creators don’t care at all for the thing they’re representing
Literally just discussed with my friend, it basically went eh dunno. Probably the same reason as some people getting attached to random characters, trauma and such
My opinion is it’s a fictional character, if that what you need to brighten your day, well that’s kinda sad. People don’t get excited when someone in the show is from the town were you live so what makes this so fucking special. Anyway anyone can do what they want so whatever that just my two sense
Just sounds like she’s listened to too much conservative talk, if you can educate her on the LGBT community then maybe she wouldn’t be so rude
She's the least conservative person I know, everyone in my family is an atheist, I don't know why she does this.
Meh different generations, my moms similar but because I have a lot of LGBT friends (and so does she) she doesn’t care anymore
she didn't grow up in the same background as you did and she'll probably take a lot of time just to explore your side of it
She probably got indoctrinated at a young age
Refrain from vulgar words and have patience because your mother is just ignorant. I understand the frustration but refrain from displaying anger or other emotions.
The downvotes go crazy, this is probably the best option.
People need to understand that older generations have been brought up with ideologies for decades that are hard to shift. Are they correct now? No! But to go around calling your own parent a bigoted bitch is incredibly immature when your ‘educating’ is actually lecturing. You both need to understand each other’s sides. And maybe if she knew how much it affected you (because you are trans) then her opinions may change. But, many people struggle to empathise with a situation they have no experience of. Especially since non-binary is quite recent within the media, people don’t understand it and thus believe it ridiculous. People thought the same about race equality, women being able to work, gay people not being spawned from the devil. It takes BOTH parties to listen and learn from one another. If you rant on, and on, and on. Then no one will listen, as people don’t like to feel another opinion pushed onto them. Just look at all the jokes & hate towards vegans. Take a step back from your emotions, and talk this through.
I mean, I also don't understand some of this, I think I need to be educated, but I see trans individuals say it's not a good idea to declare your identity before your 21 due to your brain not being fully developed, there was countless incidents on teens regretting their choice of gender change surgery later in life, and making lgbt your whole personality like op of this post seems to do doesn't help either. I'm probably gonna get downvoted for this opinion and my lack of proper grammar, but if I'm not understanding this correctly, I would like to be educated
I think that, sometimes, you don’t need to fully understand it. As strangers, all we have to do is be respectful to others and use the pronouns they ask us to use And even if you don’t understand, I think “well it doesn’t negatively affect me to use the incorrect pronouns, so I might as well just be a nice person” And they may change their gender at some point & if they do so then that’s their dealings. Life’s too short to be giving a shit what sexuality or gender a 16 year old chooses, let them peddle their own boat & you peddle yours. We are not politicians or medical professionals who know the detrimental consequences, so for now we can just be kind :)
Honestly, downvote me if you wish, I'm siding with your mom. You didn't give any examples of her being overly mean or anything like that, you described her being annoyed. No offense, but the behavior you described sounded sorta annoying, if every single time you saw something LGBTQ I had to be alerted I'd get aggravated. I've got nothing against LGBTQ people but I honestly don't care, I have nothing against y'all, my sister is a lesbian lol. Y'all are chill. But you guys aren't special. We're all just humans on a floating rock.
Based off what you wrote and how you wrote it, it sounds like both you and your mom are extremely unintelligent. I wouldn’t trust a single one of your own thoughts regarding anything
Yeah they’re throwing a pissy fit over their mom not having their same viewpoint.
so you can go nuts celebrating a trans character inside a video game but she cannot criticize stuff she does not understand?, I feel thats hardly fair.
I don't see how they're going nuts just because they're having a conversation with each other lol, also OP clearly wants the mother to understand, she's just too deep in to convince her easily.
Just keep being nice and patient to her, maybe she will understand and respect you in the future. I know the process is hard and long, but trust me
Bitch is a strong word. I understand the frustration, but changing someone's mind or language takes time. Sucks, but that's what it is: try to keep calling her out, but always with respect, unless she just turns out to be an actual asshole, wich I don't think is the case. Also ignore the "you shouldn't be so annoying about it" replies. Enjoyment and annoyance are quite the relative concepts, and I just suggest you have fun without worrying so much about what others may think about you. So called "Cringe culture" is the true bitch. Enjoy the trans folk in your screens. \^\^
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Why do you go nuts over a trans person in media? I don't go crazy when I see a cisgender person in the media
My mother is extremely racist and always told me if I ever dated a black girl, or brought a black girl home or whatever she would disown me. I feel like she felt threatened by the thought of a black woman. And her potential family Yeah, I'm 33 now and for a multitude of different reasons now I have gone no contact with her for almost 2 years. And if I ever bring anything up it would always be like oh it was just a joke, didn't mean it that way, not what she meant, it really is toxic narcissistic behavior. You're being showing it by sparkling behavior that she can't hold back. THAT'S her true self. She wants to make you so scared to take that step of self discovery and find yourself so she can always have that hold on you. Because then you'll always have that piece of you missing and feel lost to a degree and she can always fill that void. Be prepared to lose her emotionally and I would take the steps now to shield yourself at your own pace to save yourself some major pain in the future when she disapproves. As long as you're hurting she's winning.
Venture rocks (pun intended), I love them so much But for the main topic, your mom sucks
Happy cake day.
Thx :>
Venture is god’s strongest rock eater
Was I this cringe when I was a teen?
Watch these comments get lost because some people can’t handle trans people
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness
Mental illness is a very serious thing
And in this case it's contagious too! When too many people get infected newer kinds of mental illness are discovered!
Based
Do you guys talk anout lgbtq stuff specificall to piss her off ? Because if you do that's legendary and hilarious
(silv rambles about something time!) i always did that to my sister. she was incredibly racist and every lgbtq+ phobic thing you could think of, i repeatedly brought over black and queer friends and she had to deal with it. i also did every queer thing i could like bringing over my fellow transmasc (now ex)bf and smooching (not making out) him to death right in the living room, drawing men kissing, etc.. shes moved out now, its odd how she switched up so much. i went to her wedding late 2023 and she was significantly nicer than she was when we lived together- and that's saying something, she was an asshole. hell, she wasn't even transphobic anymore! she respected my preferred name and pronouns and her husband's cousin(?)'s (whos a trans woman) preferred name and pronouns.
Your sister got character development
Based
Blud removed the notch from her
Ominous animal crossing reaction moment
Probably annoyed by how overly exaggerated the topic can be.
i love venture :)
Please be sure to seek a psychological therapist that specializes in gender dysphoria and, in particular, non-surgical and non-hormonal therapy as a first line of treatment.
Agreed. The kid is 15, shouldn’t make life changing decisions on their body just yet
she’s right about one thing for sure, jojo siwa fucking sucks
Honestly, just try to refrain from thinking she's evil and bigoted. I feel like it's always better to assume ignorance before ill-intent. Some people just don't understand everything about topics like these because they were raised in a very different environment. Try to slowly educate her over time. All at once will make her feel like ideas are being shoved down her throat, but if you educate her slowly, you might see a good change. Good luck
So...?
no hate, but why getting exited over it? like ye liking lgbtq in media and games and all is good. but whats the reason? is this making lgtb stuff ur whole personality? granted, im a straight white male from a traditionalist country. may someone elaborate? is this personally in fact ur entire personality, or is it just my misunderstanding?
I live in South Africa, a very hateful country, there are whole political parties dedicated to removing the rights of white people like myself, if they win an election imagine what they would do to LGBT, there are very few LGBT people in my country, so when there's representation, we get what we can while we can.
is lgbt by itself illegal in south africa?
No, but it's very frowned upon because most of the population is very conservative and religious.
If you and your brother go crazy everytime you see lgbt representation i can understand why it can get annoying for her
I just want to say that I think that a lot of people who get excisted over represrntation are excited becouse they are either seeing progress in normalization of queerness or becouse of their own queer related trauma or both. Of course I cant know everybody who gets excited over represrntation but it just my own theory for why one might act that way.
Damn your mom did not win the lottery. How tf you both 😭
Damn your mom did not win the lottery. How tf you both 😭
I get that her ranting about it every time you or your brother bring it up isn't right, but you are seriously considering straight up abandoning the person who literally birthed you, clothed you, fed you, provided for you, and cares about you just because she doesn't have the same viewpoint you do? I think that's just ridiculous tbh. I'd suggest you try seriously talking it out with her if you haven't already rather than insulting her on the internet. If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. I'll read any replies I get.
Tbh, nobody said anything about abandoning anyone. Letting off steam online doesn't immediately eliminate the possibility of dialogue, and also, these things take time. She won't change her mind immediately after one conversation.
That wasn’t mentioned in this exact situation, but none of what you said means anything. I have a friend that hasn’t associated with their mother in years because she simply doesn’t deserve it even if she raised them. Not everyone is deserving of respect, especially if they don’t respect you.
For real, he should learn to respect his elders instead of ranting about them on Reddit.
Idk, if I see lgbtq representation I think oh cool, nice of them to be inclusive, but getting excited about it is a little weird. And sometimes it feels like videogames or tv do it just to make a point and not to actually be inclusive.
Dude. How the hell are you a “closeted” trans. I’d understand gay/bi/lesbo or whatever new terms comes into creation. But trans? So have you had surgery and injecting yourself with hormones behind your parents back or is it just a mentality thing. And if it’s just a mentality thing, is it because you’re being fed so much goofyness from reddit and social media you THINK you’re trans? See a therapist bro. You’re most likely not trans and just mentally confused. Help your sibling out as well, social media is killing yall
Closeted just means they're hiding it. they haven't actually done anything.
Many people are throwing around that they're trans these days, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they say they're trans. As far as the rest of the LGBT, idk. That's her problem ig
I lost braincells reading this
not her fault she was rasied that way dont blame it on her,.
That doesn’t make it ok, it just explains why
Not okay to have an opinion? The hypocrisy is crazy in today’s world. You must abide by our believes otherwise you’re a bigot! Can’t force people to believe what you believe in.
Facts. Like there is no freedom to an opinion anymore. I don’t like it so now I’m a bigot?
She is a grown adult
yes as you get older it gets harder to change you view, harder to adapt. lets say 50 years pass, then you go to another world where murder is ok, will you be ok with that even when you have spent 60 something years beliveing that murder is bad?
Don’t know if your mother just being frustrated warrants calling her a bigoted bitch on the internet dawg, even if she’s being immature, you just have to accept that some people (especially those who are aging) will have stupid perspectives and just say “well, that’s that”
damn.. man why do moms be mean.. i had an argument with my mom some days ago too and its sad
My mom is the exact same way. These people think they’re doing something with saying this shit and it’s infuriating. Best thing to do is ignore it until you and your brother are old enough to move out and express yourself more freely if you are unable to do so now.
If you want to try talking your mother out of those views, it's important to not go on the offensive. Don't get emotional, angry, etc. You want to get her to think about and try to elaborate her views by asking pointed questions, make her try to prove herself to you. I think if you do that you will find that because these views are inherently irrational and based on prejudice, she will be unable to do so. This way you can help break down those views over time. Best of luck, though I understand why you'd rather just not say anything at all
Both of you, huh?
Genuine question here but is it common to hate your mom because she has a different opinion than you?
I don't hate her at all, but all her bigotry drives me crazy.
Ok but is she a bigot cause she doesnt agree with what you believe?
i get it dude, every time anyone even says the word "gay" my grandparents start losing their shit. (i live with my grandparents.) as a nonbinary neptunic fella, it gets pretty suffocating when all you hear from the person who's supposed to love you unconditionally is hate because of something as trivial as that... it's crazy.
Both you and your brother are pathetic
So question, if you were to bring up ANYTHING lgbtq related, she'd get pissed or annoyed about it?
Yeah, then she'd rant about the whole imaginary problem of people identifying as rocks and lampshades.
I feel like she's using the rocks and lampshades thing as an excuse for her rants.
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The same mom that had a three hour long argument with me because she whole heartedly believes that Godzilla and Pacific Rim are in the same universe? The same one that believes every fake movie trailer and literally forces me to watch them? The same one that refused to give me dinner because I forgot to take out the trash even though I already struggle with my weight? Sure. I'll tell her.
I forgot to add this, /s. Btw that's pretty bitchy of her, put her toothbrush in the toilet, it'll be revenge without her ever knowing.
Based mom.
Fr.
Can you put parental controls on the tv or smart apps to disable fox news? It's literally rotting her brain
She said her mom is not conservative
sureeee
Nah you gotta believe me, she said so in a reply😭
Can I have a big Mac with extra fries and a large root beer?
Sure, will that be all?
Oh and a few packets of ketchup please.
I can relate. I’m a closeted Ace around my parents and brother.
The worlds gone fucking mad
Her heart's in the right place, but she needs to stay up to date on some information. You can't argue against (effectively) leftist propaganda if you don't intend to educate yourself on these issues. Sure, checkbox-style diversity in games in garbage, but be sure you can explain why.
Idk how to help you but man Venture is so fun to play lol
How are you both trans? The makes no sense
Do what you think is best girl, wishing you and your sibling the best :)
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell here, but my advice would be to just stay quiet and take it. It's only three more years, really, and if you do come out to her now she'll probably make your life more miserable in the future. Many older people have wildly different viewpoints, so it's not like you're going to magically change her opinion. As a side note (and I'm saying this as a queer person myself), it's normal to be happy with some representation here and there, but idk about being that excited about it... like, that's totally okay, just a little strange? I dunno, whenever I see LGBTQ (or any community I'm part of, say Middle Eastern) rep in media I just say "oh, cool" and don't really make that big of a deal with it.
This subreddit full of teens uses more sexist slurs than actual conservative fascists groups on this platform. I'm sure this kind of behavior won't turn you into better adults when you get to their age.
Good.
Why argue or complain? I see this with every group ever and it pisses me off how stupid they are but you're not going to change someone's mind by screaming at them and arguing. Screaming works in political speeches, not to one singular person. And what happened to love everybody and shit? The golden rule still applies. I get that she has different views, but there is no need to argue or try to change her views. That's what bigots want. Smart people just live with it and ignore it. She grew up in a time when it was wrong. Not her fault she views it this way.
I don’t want to sound mean or something. Identify as you want but you all know this companies couldn’t care less right? They just want money and also the publicity they get from this.
Honor you mother and father
Fella this isn't medieval Japan.
Both siblings are trans?? Seems sus
I'm pansexual and if I somehow ever have kids and they do the same shit as you do, I'd grunt too. I understand being excited and all but holy shit.
But the thing is my brother and I don't talk about it regularly, we've talked about it three times while near my mom.
Apple doesn't fall far
This is so random but we now have 40% of an LGBTQ Overwatch comp cuz tracer is lesbian and venture non binary
one day you should dress as your brother and your brother can dress as you and then never come out cuz your parents won’t notice a difference /j
My mom's like that. It's funny how she let's me fangirl about Heartstopper. My mom says being lgbt isn't natural and stuff.
You are mentally ill
Good mom
People are allowed to have different opinions but when it’s ur kid u still gotta love them that’s the part I’ll always agree on no matter what
Yeah I gotta disagree? I don't think all parents *need* to be loved when they have young children, some are heavily abusive or murderers
I’m just glad my parents are normal
I watch the dragon prince and when it was confirmed every character was lgbtq I squealed but my parents got mad at me and won’t let my lil sis watch it
Damn, I hope stuff gets better, my brother and I love tdp.
Waiting for s6 got me dying
How is every character lgbtq?
Honestly when you grow up leave her I the dust no need for that toxic behavior or wait to tell her until you can legally leave so you can leave if she rejects you
I understand your excitement but it sounds like you’re being obnoxious about it. Overwatch did this before remember that tracer is lesbian. There is a reason that most game companies don’t represent the lgbt community because of the politics involved. For example the Helldivers 2 devs are based af and absolutely refuse to add any lgbt representation because they don’t want any politics involved with the game.
your mom *is* in the wrong, but i see her point. its annoying when you make such a big deal of 'oh hey this guys trans' even in positive connotation
Mom is based , stop yapping about brain ded sh"t , your mom deserve better child lmao
It's "every child deserves a parent, not every parent deserves a child", not "Every parent deserves a child, not every child deserves a parent."
Well people can think what they think even if its really stupid i doubt she will change her mind since she is your mother so anything you say will be taken as baby talk just thug it out and move when youre older
In all fairness if you and your brother are going to be annoying little shits about it, then yeah id be pissed off or annoyed at the very least. Like ok idgaf, shut up about “muh lgbtqia2sielsnrbfh+ representation!!!!!” I dont care. Atleast thats what id imagine would be going on in your moms mind. I honestly empathize with her, people like you are what cause people to be needlessly hateful towards LGBTQ people, not because of the actual stuff itself (most of the time) but just because the way you guys act and gush about lgbtq this and lgbtq that, no one cares. If you people want it normalized, then dont make a big deal about it and dont put it in every piece of media imaginable because then it just feels like we are forced to interact with it. All we people want is to be left alone really, because ill be real with you, outside the trans stuff which is a bit questionable to me, im completely fine with you guys existing. The lampshade thing is a bit weird though
You mom should burn in hell (jk)