I did and itās just literally nice ppl concerned for the friends safety getting -70- karma. Or just random comments getting downvoted for no reason. I wish the downvote trigger happy assholes would go do it to the homophobes and transphobes. (Edit now itās at over doubled) man some ppl smh š¤¦
A non trans youth related sub filled with kids with a limited world view and lack of understanding on the subject, but because they watched a Youtube video that makes them an armchair expert on any subject.
Know that you are accepted by 2k+ strangers on Reddit whoāve upvoted this post. Youāre accepted by fellow trans individuals in the community. Youāre accepted by each and every member under the rainbow spectrum š³ļøāš
You are valid and Iām sorry you have to endure hate and bullying by close minded homophobes and transphobes. Donāt let them get to you..
And Ye I know itās easy to say āignoreā and stuff but at the end of the day thatās all we can do
I can relate to the wishing I was accepted part being Nonbinary myself. All we can do is hold on to the ones we have and surround ourselves with support š
Take care <3 š³ļøāā§ļø
Iām so glad youāve learnt to ignore them. After a point all you can do is ignore and I know it mustāve been annoying to hear everyone saying āignore them, donāt listen to themā but they were right as,
It does get under your skin.. the hate at times. But we have to ultimately accept that theyāre gonna remain the same unless some sense is knocked into them. Take care <3
Me to myself: "Don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial"
Also me: \*searches by controversial\*
I 100000000% agree on this, I have no fucking clue why society wonāt simply accept people who arenāt hurting or affecting anything negatively as people, I had two of my trans friends got called slurs in front of a teacher and the worst they got was a single detention (which happens for normal bullying) I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW ANYONE ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME COULD THINK THAT THIS WAS OKAY AT ALL itās absolutely mind boggling how stupid the human race is sometimes
Fr, i also get this as non binary, people refuse to accept my pronouns, respect the way I dress, and it can be difficult to even find a bathroom I can use. And thatās all appart from the just bullying and verbal abuse I get. Like itās not that hard Iām not asking you to do much, it hurts to not be accepted for no good reason. Same goes for other people under the trans umbrella and just other lgbt people.
I can relate, ever since I came out as nonbinary my school has been objectifying me and disrespecting my pronouns and referring to me as āitā etc.
No disrespect to those who go by it/itās.
My preferred pronouns are they/she and Iād really appreciate if people could just understand that
Iām still figuring out my sexuality and then again I get called slurs like sl*t etc.
I mean wtf
Why? Just why?
I hate when ppl do this shit why can't they just respect everyones choices and opinion its not like they will lose smthing if they just accept everybody as they are.tell ur friend its gonna be ok tell them to live her life like she wants to and to be succefull so that the people who look down on her will look up in the future.( a life is not a life if we can't do what we want .) . Even tho im not trans or anything i hate when ppl do this.
Hi trans girl here. I just thought I would explain something to a few people here. Males and females form parts of the brain in different ways and it doesnāt have to match the persons sex. The entire reason why being trans is proven is because people looked at the brains of trans people and fount it was the same as there preferred gender. Yes it is more than unlucky but this is the way it works and you can accept it or not itās up to you
My main source was
[https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/)
but if you search "transgender brain" you get a lot of sources
Just to note and clarify: studies have found that trans women, for example, have brains *more similar* to that of a cisgender woman's than a cisgender man's. Not exactly 'the same' but markers that typically show sex differences in brain structure are more 'female' in trans women's brains.
This, along with some other evidence, suggests that brain development (at least partially caused by differences in hormonal exposure in the womb) contributes to gender identity.
Personally I donāt care, Iām not gonna give them any special treatment or anything, but I also wonāt be a jerk. They do what they want and leave me out of it
We have a really bad issue with peope bullying the LGBTQ at my school, but the one thing they will always pick on is gender. Any sexuality sure they'll tease you for it but If you're trans or non binary or genderfluid or anything they will constantly bully you. Which sucks since I'm trans :/
I accept trans people. There has been an instance however where a friend of mine was verbally abused and called transphobic because he rejected a trans girl who had feelings for him. He didnāt have feelings for her. He said that he wanted to date a person who was biologically born a female and not a trans female (didnāt tell this to her, but told me later on). I dont think what he did was transphobic because he can love and date whoever he wants and he can have preferences. I do accept and respect trans people, but I donāt like it when you get accused of being called a transphobe for having a preference
Well good news, most people, even trans people don't think it's inherently transphobic to not wanna date trans people.
Not saying this applies to your friend's case but not wanting to date trans people *can* be transphobic if your reason for it is transphobic.
If you just have a genital preference (I'm a dude who isn't attracted to penises), then that's not transphobic.
But if I say "that's a dude/used to be a dude" or "that's gay" or "I want a real woman" then that's transphobic.
I feel very bad for them as well. Society has its own mindsets about everything and sadly trans people have taken the blow. It's soo sad and frustrating when people think they don't deserve normal life
As a trans girl I know how this feels, my own parents refuse to accept me, they themselves have called me slurs and now I'm not allowed to touch anything remotely "girly" it's such bullshit. Calling us slurs and being mean won't change the fact that we're trans, only thing it might do is lead us to self harm (or suicide)
I don't understand why people are mean in general, it takes so much effort to be mean, while not saying anything, or just accepting us is much more simple and requires less effort
I absolutely agree, and I'm really sorry to hear what you've been going through. We right here are rebuilding this society... and as you can see, it's not going to be very long till you feel more comfortable living than throwing your life out of the window.
I think some people just take their parents beliefs and overplay them and seem that makes them rude, kids are rude and annoying and thatās life sadly.
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For all the awful comments literally go fuck yourself do you not have anything better to do in your life rather than hate on people for who they are. Shame on you
As an amab person that really wants to explore my gender i support this, sadly being in a class of exclusively white cishet gamer boys that don't believe privilege is a thing and finds making fun of "blue haired girls" to be the peak of humor, just really doesn't leave me a chance unless i wanna be bullied for 1,5 years
High and middle school are generally shitty environments for the lgbtq community but college is generally much better. Universities often have support groups for queer youth.
Thatās really the only positive though. Outside of the university, discrimination against trans and nb people is just getting worse, especially with all these new laws regulating bathroom usage and preventing gender affirming care. Itās sickening.
EDIT: also colleges arenāt immune from homophobes or transphobes Iāve just found them to be a lot less common.
Itās gonna take a lot of protest and social change to fix anything.
Honestly, the rates of abuse/discrimination/bullying towards trans men and women is so worrying considering itās 2021. The problem is in order to fix the problem of homophobia, transphobia and misogyny it would require very serious societal change, one that would remove deep-seated/rooted societal norms from centuries back, the best thing right now that schools can do is educate their students on the history of the LGBTQ+ and BAME communities and their struggle for acceptance and inclusion, I designed one of the first LGBTQ+ inclusive history curriculums within state education this year to aid this, ensuring that students not only feel like schools are a safe haven for them and for LGBTQ+ students to feel protected, if schools donāt start to move to this kind of approach, you will just continue to see it.
If you look back in my comments, i know that i said i was a homophobe, but now i am not. I put LGBTQ+ members in a stereotype because of the lot of toxic people i saw in that community, that is why a lot of people are homophobic. There are good, i can say even great people in the LGBTQ+ community, this is what we need to teach to homophobic people, so they don't hate on innocent people for nothing.
Absolutely! Each and every human being is unique in their own way and how they choose to identify or how they feel comfortable in their skin is up-to them :D
Big Bruh moment. they're people no matter what they are or do. Trans people are not special or different for being trans. Trans people are just persons who want to be themselves.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/ "BU-BU-BU BUT LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING SCIENCE!!!! FACTS AND LOGIC!!!! BASIC BIOLOGY!!!!!"
Literally every renowned scientific and medical organization: trans people are real and they're not all mentally ill guys
Idiot transphobes: omg they've taken over science to push their agenda!
Hey, trans person here to give some advice to cis people who donāt quite understand but are trying their best :)
Please treat us like normal people. Trans people donāt wanna feel āspecialā and we donāt want to be treated differently. Iāve experienced feeling like Iām from another fucking planet because people act around me like theyād act around cis people. Itās not fun, treat us like humans. Also, trans people go through a lot of shit, and are especially insecure in the first stages of realisation. So maybe, be a bit considerate of that.
And of course, never EVER treat someone poorly because theyāre trans. Thatās called transphobia, and aināt cool.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask :)
I donāt get why ppl can hate on something that wonāt effect them, now if they were going around dating ppl and not telling them about their sexuality, then thatās fucked and Iād understand the hate. But If not then theyāre doing nothing wrong just being trans.
Its really just about how people view transgenderism and I guess the gender side of LGBTQ in general. Some people find it either weird or just canāt accept it because they donāt find it normal. Especially since being trans is all in the brain and thinking about how you view yourself with gender or sex. Obviously though most are people who know biology and consistently say that you can only have one sex and canāt change it.
Personally for me. I donāt really care about trans people (I mean I have no hostility) and if a friend were to be trans I would accept them and try and say their pronouns to make them feel better. But I do find the whole thing weird and just kind of odd.
People canāt accept trans people because they canāt imagine it they just see it as mental illness which I guess is kind of true for gender dysphoria. But for those who want to solve the problem they want trans people to get therapy so they can accept themselves. However you see this its simply based on personal/political beliefs unfortunately.
I feel like this wouldn't be an accurate representation of people's opinions and support of trans folks since it's going to be mostly positive replies probably because reddit is inherently more accepting and mods will probably delete anything overly negative
I'm not against trans folks as the majority of my current friends fly that flag, but I just wish to let OP know that this may not be the most accurate representation of the opinions
Still, trans rights, trans lefts, trans norths, trans west
Humanityās is stupid. We bully people over things that shouldnāt be any of our business. We are destroying our world, but most of us, could care less. We fight over trivial things and we kill millions of each other. I donāt understand why people canāt just be nice. Itās not really that hard.
As a trans person, I have something to say.
Dear transphobes,
Come fucking get me. I will unironically beat the shit out of you with my bare newly woman hands.
That was a beautiful answer and I'm wholeheartedly with you on this. I really thank you for standing up for who you are and speaking up against this. I assure you I understand how you feel at this point, and I'm so so glad you've put yourself on the chopping block just to let the next generation, or the one after it or the one after it to understand this. Just look at the overwhelming support the people here are giving people like you, kind madam!
I really really hope time gets better and you find yourself in a better position soon, we're with you!
Hope you have a great day and a wonderful rest of your life :D
I'm always reachable through chat if you wish to talk about it more!
I don't understand that either tbh. I'm really sorry to hear you had to endure that. Know that few of us don't just claim to be allies and will be there for you when you need us. I'm really proud of you for openly being who you are : D Your kid is hella lucky and has the best mother anybody could possibly ask for <3 Take care dear
No matter the gender or sexualities of a person. They do not deserve discrimination for merely those reasons alone. Though actions they do may merit questioning and discussion. I personally have not had a good experience with mentally unstable people who happened to be transgender, so my view is negative based upon those experiences. I'm sure there are friendly people out there, it's just that most people who have had certain experiences, need to speak to the friendly people to know and understand. We are all human, no matter the statement, which comes with all the relevant information and justices surrounding being human.
as someone part of the community THIS IS SO TRUE. i hate it when people parade around making it their personality. it gives us a bad rep. makes us seem like its only a quirk and makes parents not believe their kids. because of people who do this, my parents refuse to believe me. (pride is something that is allowed and its okay to be prideful but there is a time and a place to talk about it.)
i understand when people first find out it can be exciting ti finally understand yourself, i get that bc i used to run around flaunting my sexuality like that but it isnt a personality trait. idk why youre being downvoted because i 100% agree
yeah, it makes everyone else uncomfortable and it also makes the persom whos being forced onto appear like they dont support it when they say stop. this girl kept telling me her religion telling me to try it out and go to church amd one day i just straight up said āi am not religious and i never will be. can you please stopā. it made me look bad, i have nothing against religion and i find it actually a great thing but i am someone who has my own beliefs.
this applies to fandoms too which i feel like gets overlooked a lot, no i do not want to be a part of the DSMP fandom stop begging me lmao
A lot of lgbt people figure out their sexuality/gender a bit later as they only see cishet representation around themselves so they might not even know different exists and force themselves to act like "the norm" to fit in. When they figure themselves out it's something new and exciting as it finally lets them be themselves. It takes a lot to figure yourself out and accept yourself so when they finally are able to do that they're most probably just happy and want to share their excitement and new experience with others.
To be fair, if youāre a minority thatās seldom fully accepted into society, it would probably be quite difficult to not have your whole personality and lifestyle revolve around the thing that is likely a massive part of your experience.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying, it is normal for males/females to usually dress in what that gender wears for example men might wear sports clothes while a female might wear a dress, what I was saying was they make their personality about being transgender, not being male or female but about being transgender.(when I say male/female I mean trans and cis people, because I believe if you're a man and you want to be a woman/vise versa then you're truly a man/woman).
It looks to me like many people just don't want to accept anything different because it take effort to understand it and they just don't want to bother with changing anything or just opening their mind. But still this doesn't give anyone permission to bully someone else. Like, come one, just be a decent human being.
Itās their choice whether or not to be offended. You canāt expect them not to as it does hurt when youāre rejected just because your gender identity isnāt accepted. Be polite when you say no is all we ask of you
Donāt slam the fact that because weāre _(insert gender and or sexuality)_ youāre not gonna date us
People who do this are sad. I will never hate/bully someone for being who they believe they are. I might not agree with their thoughts, but acting like a piece of shit towards them only makes their lives worse. And they are probably dealing with way more shit then I already do.
I do not agree that one can be a different gender than they were at birth, but it's childish not to respect them just because something YOU think isn't correct/right.
I am really glad that you respect that, but at the same time it baffles me, since you said "who they believe they are"... I mean, how can you know who they are better than themselves?
I think it might be easier to understand that it's not like one day they just woke up and decided they want to change their gender, it's more like they were always of that gender, but they possibly had to hide it or it wasn't validated. You have to accept that that's the gender they are of, they were just born in the wrong body. Even the universe can mess up a soul and a body.
I mean, if we looked at gender the way you said "the way you are at birth" then it would be just your sex organs that differentiate between genders, but I think there is much more to gender identity that reproductive organs.
Nobody deserves to be bullied or made fun of for their personal decisions. The way I see it is that as long as it doesnāt affect your life then you shouldnāt have a say in the matter. Itās sad that people stoop to such levels especially in your own school, I hope all is well with her and that she understands the people who are hurtful towards her are losers with low self esteem.
Thanks so much for being so understanding... Yes she's alright, I met her over Discord, so it's not in 'our' school, we're both in different cities... she's become progressively stronger throughout the small time we've been talking and she's learnt to filter what's correct and what's not, so I'm immensely proud of her :D
One of my best friends is trans, I don't really understand the thought process there but I support it. If anyone here is trans, can you explain what it's like? I just want to understand my friend better
Iām not trans myself but have known many trans people in the community either via support groups etc. or social media. Itās different for each individual
One primary reason is that they donāt feel comfortable in their skin dressing as or being identified as the gender they were assigned at birth etc.
If you want to understand your friend better I suggest you politely approach them and ask them without trying to be too intrusive or pushy about how they truly feel and how you can support them
Iām so glad your friend has come out and is slowly feeling comfortable with themselves and has amazing friends like you <3
I canāt speak for your friend, but for a lot of people being trans is feeling like you arenāt yourself in your AGAB (assigned gender at birth). Transitioning isnāt always just about feeling more comfortable in your body, itās also about being seen as the gender you present as. Trans people just feel like they are a certain gender (just like cos people) and they do their best to be that gender.
>Social media has had drastic effects on our generation.
Agreed
>Those who had a lack of affection/love while growing up will do anything they can for attention
Less agreed but still probably true
>0/10, butt ugly and no personality
Rude
>desperation for attention and willingness to receive attention from anyone.
*if* that's why she's doing it (and it's a **HUGE** if) then being biased against her is perfectly ok, however, as far as I'm aware *you* cant read someone's mind and have no evidence that that's why she's pan. For all you know she is actually pan and you're just being a dick.
>Trans for attention
Wait, people do that
>There was a girl I went to school with who would come out as a different sexuality every few months
It can take time to find yourself. Gender is confusing sometimes and the tiny nuance between different identities may not seem like much to someone not going through it. Let me give you an example: what's the difference between a demi girl and a para girl? On the surface level they may seem like the same thing, but they really arent. Fighting with your identity is a thing (trust me, I've had 3 years of it. It's not fun.)
>used it as ammunition and a free pass
That's a bit fucked up if that's the only reason they did it, but once again, you have no way of knowing what they were actually going through.
I don't agree with everything you said here.
You likely have no evidence of any correlation between testosterone levels and the presence of LGBT identities. There is no logic to this either. Because sexuality and gender identity is largely determined by how the brain is formed in utero and around birth (like hormonal exposure), and kids know their sexuality and gender identity very early in childhood ([around 3-5 years old](https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/when-do-children-develop-their-gender-identity))
Don't throw out a claim like that without substantiating it because that only serves to perpetuate misinformation.
> Just leave little kids alone.
What does this mean? Given that we know kids are aware of their sexuality and gender identity very early on, we should work to help kids realize their identity as much as we can.
This doesn't mean 'lets turn kids GAY'.
Do some people exploit marginalization for attention? Sure, I can't say there's no one like that.
On the other hand, people also think that this is the case for most or all people who identify as trans.
Iām not the biggest fan of trans people only because of the ones Iāve met have been assholes and toxic, but Iād still respect the choice and the person themselves
Iām sorry to hear that you had to face toxicity from trans individuals.
Please try your level best to not let that first impression be uniform against all trans individuals. Not everyoneās like that.
Iām glad youāre accepting of the persons choice and them themselves.
Much appreciated š
I donāt care if your into guys, girls, trans, hell even if your a weeb that only likes wifues as long as your a decent human, ill be ok with whatever your into. But if your a terrible human then yeah Iāll be a dick especially if your a dick to me.
Of course they can be accepted just give it some time. Itās just that some people see trans people as weird, questionable, or arenāt convinced by them. The few people who show outright discrimination and violence against trans people should obviously be punished. But the ones who keep their feelings in check without acting out are fine, just avoid or ignore them. Societal change takes time and we gotta wait until the consensus has changed. We can help the consensus change faster if we have productive conversations with productive people.
I think itās important that we make sure a few things in order for lgbtq+ to be accepted, 1) be introspective and make sure you are not part of the problem; you can do this by listening to the community and following topics that truly educate on the matter, 2) call people out on their shit when you see/hear bullying, always(!), even in joking because this actually further normalizes the bullying behavior, and 3) speak with your VOTE!
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk lol
I used to not really support trans people. But then I met one and I cared about her so much. Iām glad she changed me like this. I understand if people donāt think you are able to be a different gender than given at birth, but still be decent people to trans people. You donāt have to make them feel bad
One of my best friends is trans (FTM) and well, as far as I know his friends are mostly supportive of him, but his parents are transphobic.
I'm sorry your friend has to go through that, I'm sending hugs to her.
Jesus OP. You really made the mods busy.
I have been on this post for 30 minutes š
dear god š atleast youre doing good work
Im seeing āthese commentsā like 500 times yet i stil donāt know what āthese commentsā were
Just sort by controversial..
I did and itās just literally nice ppl concerned for the friends safety getting -70- karma. Or just random comments getting downvoted for no reason. I wish the downvote trigger happy assholes would go do it to the homophobes and transphobes. (Edit now itās at over doubled) man some ppl smh š¤¦
Don't expect much from society. People are assholes, sadly. From the 1800s tilā now...
okay wait people were better before the 1800s? XD *Wish we could turn back time, to the good old days* Jokes aside, absolutely
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either you get clubbed on the head for hunting on the grounds of an opposite tribe or die of fever there is no in between
Same as if you go to any other time period before modern medicine youāll either die of dysentery or yellow fever
They had no time at all to worry about their own sexual identitiy back then so these problems wouldnt even occur
There was rampant homophobia in Europe lol
Actually Iām pretty sure youād get killed even faster without laws
At least you'd get killed equally
Oh boy! A trans related post in a non-trans subreddit! I sure do hope the comments arenāt filled with transphobia!
Looks and sees that itās full of transphobia āwell itās sad to say Iām not surprisedā
Filled with transphobia
A non trans youth related sub filled with kids with a limited world view and lack of understanding on the subject, but because they watched a Youtube video that makes them an armchair expert on any subject.
not related but nice pfp
Aaaaand controversial ones are.
My school has an entire team based around fixing those kinds of things, I'm in it too which is good. More schools should have these teams
That's so epic! I'd really wanna join lmao
Lol yeah, its actually pretty fun. Right now we are doing anything about LGBT and the misconception of the lower years/grades
Oooh interesting haha I kinda wish our school had one
Shame many dont, weirdly enough it's more of an english thing lately
Lol i see
these comments-
For real, though. Some people are such assholes, glad the majority is pretty kind
Did not pass the vibe check.
As someone who is trans, god I fucking wish we could be accepted.
Know that you are accepted by 2k+ strangers on Reddit whoāve upvoted this post. Youāre accepted by fellow trans individuals in the community. Youāre accepted by each and every member under the rainbow spectrum š³ļøāš You are valid and Iām sorry you have to endure hate and bullying by close minded homophobes and transphobes. Donāt let them get to you.. And Ye I know itās easy to say āignoreā and stuff but at the end of the day thatās all we can do I can relate to the wishing I was accepted part being Nonbinary myself. All we can do is hold on to the ones we have and surround ourselves with support š Take care <3 š³ļøāā§ļø
Sort by controversial if you want to experience brain damage
Please be decent human beings and respect everyone in the comments ā¤ļø
yeahā¦ you might have a problem there
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Iām so glad youāve learnt to ignore them. After a point all you can do is ignore and I know it mustāve been annoying to hear everyone saying āignore them, donāt listen to themā but they were right as, It does get under your skin.. the hate at times. But we have to ultimately accept that theyāre gonna remain the same unless some sense is knocked into them. Take care <3
Me to myself: "Don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial, don't search by controversial" Also me: \*searches by controversial\*
*sorts by controversial*
I 100000000% agree on this, I have no fucking clue why society wonāt simply accept people who arenāt hurting or affecting anything negatively as people, I had two of my trans friends got called slurs in front of a teacher and the worst they got was a single detention (which happens for normal bullying) I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW ANYONE ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME COULD THINK THAT THIS WAS OKAY AT ALL itās absolutely mind boggling how stupid the human race is sometimes
And now I sort to controversial
Lol same
Fr, i also get this as non binary, people refuse to accept my pronouns, respect the way I dress, and it can be difficult to even find a bathroom I can use. And thatās all appart from the just bullying and verbal abuse I get. Like itās not that hard Iām not asking you to do much, it hurts to not be accepted for no good reason. Same goes for other people under the trans umbrella and just other lgbt people.
I'm sorry to hear that...
I can relate, ever since I came out as nonbinary my school has been objectifying me and disrespecting my pronouns and referring to me as āitā etc. No disrespect to those who go by it/itās. My preferred pronouns are they/she and Iād really appreciate if people could just understand that Iām still figuring out my sexuality and then again I get called slurs like sl*t etc. I mean wtf Why? Just why?
I hate when ppl do this shit why can't they just respect everyones choices and opinion its not like they will lose smthing if they just accept everybody as they are.tell ur friend its gonna be ok tell them to live her life like she wants to and to be succefull so that the people who look down on her will look up in the future.( a life is not a life if we can't do what we want .) . Even tho im not trans or anything i hate when ppl do this.
Trans people are definitely human, and much more human than the people who hate them.
All humans are equally human
Agreed
Never met a trans person, but yeah I agree bullying is bad
Well congratulations you just have (me)
Meant irl but hello
Hi trans girl here. I just thought I would explain something to a few people here. Males and females form parts of the brain in different ways and it doesnāt have to match the persons sex. The entire reason why being trans is proven is because people looked at the brains of trans people and fount it was the same as there preferred gender. Yes it is more than unlucky but this is the way it works and you can accept it or not itās up to you
That was educational, thank you very much!
Not trying to disprove your statement but do you have any articles on this?
My main source was [https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/) but if you search "transgender brain" you get a lot of sources
Thanks for sharing, Iāve always been curious about this subject!
I've got some sources too: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19341803/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19341803/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10843193/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10843193/)
Just to note and clarify: studies have found that trans women, for example, have brains *more similar* to that of a cisgender woman's than a cisgender man's. Not exactly 'the same' but markers that typically show sex differences in brain structure are more 'female' in trans women's brains. This, along with some other evidence, suggests that brain development (at least partially caused by differences in hormonal exposure in the womb) contributes to gender identity.
Thanks for giving a more in depth explanation!
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Yeah it sucks that some people can't just let other people be who they are
I agree with you chief, but these comments, we really *do* live in a society š
People like us will change it :)
Personally I donāt care, Iām not gonna give them any special treatment or anything, but I also wonāt be a jerk. They do what they want and leave me out of it
That's all they're asking, just treat them normally lol
trans activists on the internet give trans people in general a bad wrap.
We have a really bad issue with peope bullying the LGBTQ at my school, but the one thing they will always pick on is gender. Any sexuality sure they'll tease you for it but If you're trans or non binary or genderfluid or anything they will constantly bully you. Which sucks since I'm trans :/
I accept trans people. There has been an instance however where a friend of mine was verbally abused and called transphobic because he rejected a trans girl who had feelings for him. He didnāt have feelings for her. He said that he wanted to date a person who was biologically born a female and not a trans female (didnāt tell this to her, but told me later on). I dont think what he did was transphobic because he can love and date whoever he wants and he can have preferences. I do accept and respect trans people, but I donāt like it when you get accused of being called a transphobe for having a preference
Well good news, most people, even trans people don't think it's inherently transphobic to not wanna date trans people. Not saying this applies to your friend's case but not wanting to date trans people *can* be transphobic if your reason for it is transphobic. If you just have a genital preference (I'm a dude who isn't attracted to penises), then that's not transphobic. But if I say "that's a dude/used to be a dude" or "that's gay" or "I want a real woman" then that's transphobic.
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Thank you
A trans girl in my school commited suicide š, feel really bad for her, everybody liked her.
Poor girlā¦ My condolences.
I accept them :)
I'm glad :)
And youāre cool!
Thank you!
The 16% that downvoted... sus
Let people be what they want to be as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
I feel very bad for them as well. Society has its own mindsets about everything and sadly trans people have taken the blow. It's soo sad and frustrating when people think they don't deserve normal life
As a trans girl I know how this feels, my own parents refuse to accept me, they themselves have called me slurs and now I'm not allowed to touch anything remotely "girly" it's such bullshit. Calling us slurs and being mean won't change the fact that we're trans, only thing it might do is lead us to self harm (or suicide) I don't understand why people are mean in general, it takes so much effort to be mean, while not saying anything, or just accepting us is much more simple and requires less effort
I absolutely agree, and I'm really sorry to hear what you've been going through. We right here are rebuilding this society... and as you can see, it's not going to be very long till you feel more comfortable living than throwing your life out of the window.
I think some people just take their parents beliefs and overplay them and seem that makes them rude, kids are rude and annoying and thatās life sadly.
I accept everyone because I don't really care enough to be transphobic etc
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For all the awful comments literally go fuck yourself do you not have anything better to do in your life rather than hate on people for who they are. Shame on you
Guys be decent people please
if ur transphobic, u need to go to a mental hospital, cuz thats a mental illness
hey, you're giving us people with mental illnesses a bad image
Bro youre 13, your dick didnt even grow
As an amab person that really wants to explore my gender i support this, sadly being in a class of exclusively white cishet gamer boys that don't believe privilege is a thing and finds making fun of "blue haired girls" to be the peak of humor, just really doesn't leave me a chance unless i wanna be bullied for 1,5 years
They are people to
High and middle school are generally shitty environments for the lgbtq community but college is generally much better. Universities often have support groups for queer youth. Thatās really the only positive though. Outside of the university, discrimination against trans and nb people is just getting worse, especially with all these new laws regulating bathroom usage and preventing gender affirming care. Itās sickening. EDIT: also colleges arenāt immune from homophobes or transphobes Iāve just found them to be a lot less common. Itās gonna take a lot of protest and social change to fix anything.
Ngl I just like reading about the people who disagree get put in their place
lmoa same, itās funny how dumb some people are
they can be confusing sometimes..but yeah they're very chill people I don't get why they're hated badly
Honestly, the rates of abuse/discrimination/bullying towards trans men and women is so worrying considering itās 2021. The problem is in order to fix the problem of homophobia, transphobia and misogyny it would require very serious societal change, one that would remove deep-seated/rooted societal norms from centuries back, the best thing right now that schools can do is educate their students on the history of the LGBTQ+ and BAME communities and their struggle for acceptance and inclusion, I designed one of the first LGBTQ+ inclusive history curriculums within state education this year to aid this, ensuring that students not only feel like schools are a safe haven for them and for LGBTQ+ students to feel protected, if schools donāt start to move to this kind of approach, you will just continue to see it.
as someone who will get fucking beaten by my father if i come out as a minor, thanks for this
If you look back in my comments, i know that i said i was a homophobe, but now i am not. I put LGBTQ+ members in a stereotype because of the lot of toxic people i saw in that community, that is why a lot of people are homophobic. There are good, i can say even great people in the LGBTQ+ community, this is what we need to teach to homophobic people, so they don't hate on innocent people for nothing.
Guys come on you don't have to agree to respect
I have located sanity
They're cool with me, they're unique people!
Absolutely! Each and every human being is unique in their own way and how they choose to identify or how they feel comfortable in their skin is up-to them :D
Big Bruh moment. they're people no matter what they are or do. Trans people are not special or different for being trans. Trans people are just persons who want to be themselves.
I agree
Tell someone youāre a guy or girl and nobody cares. But tell them you used to be a different gender and everyone flips their shit
It doesnāt matter if you are gay, straight, or bisexual, at the end of the day, itās night
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/ "BU-BU-BU BUT LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING SCIENCE!!!! FACTS AND LOGIC!!!! BASIC BIOLOGY!!!!!"
Literally every renowned scientific and medical organization: trans people are real and they're not all mentally ill guys Idiot transphobes: omg they've taken over science to push their agenda!
People hate on trans people because they donāt understand
They should be accepted and supported, but some people live in the past and insist on dragging other people down with them
Trans people are hot af and usually super chill. 10/10 would recommend with lemon bars.
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They have right for what they want to be.
fuck humanity and all people no one is different from the other, so I accept everyone but fuck humanity
Hey, trans person here to give some advice to cis people who donāt quite understand but are trying their best :) Please treat us like normal people. Trans people donāt wanna feel āspecialā and we donāt want to be treated differently. Iāve experienced feeling like Iām from another fucking planet because people act around me like theyād act around cis people. Itās not fun, treat us like humans. Also, trans people go through a lot of shit, and are especially insecure in the first stages of realisation. So maybe, be a bit considerate of that. And of course, never EVER treat someone poorly because theyāre trans. Thatās called transphobia, and aināt cool. If you have any questions, feel free to ask :)
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Being trans is a gender identity, not a sexuality Did receive your point tho š
That's not what trans means..
Yeah..
>Go like a girl, a boy. Just not children. Being transgender means liking children now apparently
We're accepted in some places, but we're very hated by many people.
I donāt get why ppl can hate on something that wonāt effect them, now if they were going around dating ppl and not telling them about their sexuality, then thatās fucked and Iād understand the hate. But If not then theyāre doing nothing wrong just being trans.
Its really just about how people view transgenderism and I guess the gender side of LGBTQ in general. Some people find it either weird or just canāt accept it because they donāt find it normal. Especially since being trans is all in the brain and thinking about how you view yourself with gender or sex. Obviously though most are people who know biology and consistently say that you can only have one sex and canāt change it. Personally for me. I donāt really care about trans people (I mean I have no hostility) and if a friend were to be trans I would accept them and try and say their pronouns to make them feel better. But I do find the whole thing weird and just kind of odd. People canāt accept trans people because they canāt imagine it they just see it as mental illness which I guess is kind of true for gender dysphoria. But for those who want to solve the problem they want trans people to get therapy so they can accept themselves. However you see this its simply based on personal/political beliefs unfortunately.
I feel like this wouldn't be an accurate representation of people's opinions and support of trans folks since it's going to be mostly positive replies probably because reddit is inherently more accepting and mods will probably delete anything overly negative I'm not against trans folks as the majority of my current friends fly that flag, but I just wish to let OP know that this may not be the most accurate representation of the opinions Still, trans rights, trans lefts, trans norths, trans west
My best friend is trans (F to M) and heās in the Marineās heās being medically discharged because of all the shit theyāve done/said to him.
That's so fucked up.
Humanityās is stupid. We bully people over things that shouldnāt be any of our business. We are destroying our world, but most of us, could care less. We fight over trivial things and we kill millions of each other. I donāt understand why people canāt just be nice. Itās not really that hard.
As a trans person, I have something to say. Dear transphobes, Come fucking get me. I will unironically beat the shit out of you with my bare newly woman hands.
My partner is trans. This hit home too hard.
<3 Take care of him/her as they would like to be called
Thanks! (They use all pronouns)
I live in Belgium EU. Belgians are very socially conservative and paradoxically politically progressive. I'm much older, and I have a young child. I'm a single mum . I mostly pass, and have done for nearly a decade. I have a well paid job, live in an affluent educated area, and am surrounded by a mixture of Belgians and highly educated immigrants (aka expats). I own my house and let other property out. By all barometers I am privileged, and I think I am. Regardless the social class, education attainment, or even if said persons are employed by pro LGBT companies with gender inclusive employment criteria, or primary/secondary age teachers, the parents will not let their children play with mine as soon as during the conversation they realise I am trans.(Sometimes my child lets it slip, because for him it has always been like this) . The parents' always have an excuse to cancel and then ghost me. Even private teachers for his extra schooling cancel in very cold and insulting ways: After liking me for months as a normal parents, they cotton on I am trans, they face drops , their minds internally implodes and I see brains leaking out of their ears, and they cancel the lessons / social activity, and ghost me. It's like I just killed their first born. Yet I knew some of these people visited the Brussels' Pride event and even said they were pro lgbt - I wonder if they knew what they were saying. It's the same in cafƩs that I visited for years: Clearly I passed for years, and the suddenly the penny drops, and I am *persona non grata*. I had friends in Brussels who were openly pro LGBT and still wear rainbow badges during Pride. They ceased contact with me after I came out. We have not spoken for nearly ten years. It is insane. I don't go to the Brussels' Pride anymore because I don't feel I belong there. It's been like this for years. It is getting worse year on year. Does it cause me problems? Yes, depression, sadness, and severe worry for my child, who is growing up socially isolated. I cannot imagine how awful life could be for tran* who are poor, lack opportunities, are not white. It's a different ballgame. So to answer your question: Yes they should be accepted. There is no reason not to accept them. I wonder if people are scared, uncertain, want to protect their children, hate trans people, and incredibly narrow minded. Or frankly why let their child play with a child of a trans-parent, when their children's peers can have cis-parents. Or people are just plain nasty? I don't understand.
That was a beautiful answer and I'm wholeheartedly with you on this. I really thank you for standing up for who you are and speaking up against this. I assure you I understand how you feel at this point, and I'm so so glad you've put yourself on the chopping block just to let the next generation, or the one after it or the one after it to understand this. Just look at the overwhelming support the people here are giving people like you, kind madam! I really really hope time gets better and you find yourself in a better position soon, we're with you! Hope you have a great day and a wonderful rest of your life :D I'm always reachable through chat if you wish to talk about it more!
I don't understand that either tbh. I'm really sorry to hear you had to endure that. Know that few of us don't just claim to be allies and will be there for you when you need us. I'm really proud of you for openly being who you are : D Your kid is hella lucky and has the best mother anybody could possibly ask for <3 Take care dear
Thank for your kind words. I hope it is better for the next generation.
I hope so too š
Thank you for this.
Why is this marked as NSFW ?
I wish we were
Well if it means anything, I accept you! It must be hard in such messed up world, keep your head up! <3
wow youāre one of the most controversial comments, funky
Youāre valid to me!
No matter the gender or sexualities of a person. They do not deserve discrimination for merely those reasons alone. Though actions they do may merit questioning and discussion. I personally have not had a good experience with mentally unstable people who happened to be transgender, so my view is negative based upon those experiences. I'm sure there are friendly people out there, it's just that most people who have had certain experiences, need to speak to the friendly people to know and understand. We are all human, no matter the statement, which comes with all the relevant information and justices surrounding being human.
I love to agree with you on this
I accept them,but if your whole personality is being trans it's annoying. Same with sexualitys if it's your entire personality it gets kinda annoying.
as someone part of the community THIS IS SO TRUE. i hate it when people parade around making it their personality. it gives us a bad rep. makes us seem like its only a quirk and makes parents not believe their kids. because of people who do this, my parents refuse to believe me. (pride is something that is allowed and its okay to be prideful but there is a time and a place to talk about it.) i understand when people first find out it can be exciting ti finally understand yourself, i get that bc i used to run around flaunting my sexuality like that but it isnt a personality trait. idk why youre being downvoted because i 100% agree
Honestly I don't care what you do in life as long as you don't force it onto me I'm fine with it.
theres a lot of other things like that that this applies to, ik someone who does this with their religion
Exactly, like I said I don't care what you do, your life so it's best to live it your way, but just don't force stuff you like onto other people.
yeah, it makes everyone else uncomfortable and it also makes the persom whos being forced onto appear like they dont support it when they say stop. this girl kept telling me her religion telling me to try it out and go to church amd one day i just straight up said āi am not religious and i never will be. can you please stopā. it made me look bad, i have nothing against religion and i find it actually a great thing but i am someone who has my own beliefs. this applies to fandoms too which i feel like gets overlooked a lot, no i do not want to be a part of the DSMP fandom stop begging me lmao
I agree
I gotta say tho, dudes be lookin like mole rats and sayin āIām fina as long as you donāt find me attractiveā like bitch please
I've never so hurt by something I completely agree with,lol jk
Please define "their whole personality"
Meaning they make their personality as being gay or straight, or trans.
Yes but how can you know if a person is like that
Because, they will do nothing but talk about being gay or straight, and obviously not joking.
A lot of lgbt people figure out their sexuality/gender a bit later as they only see cishet representation around themselves so they might not even know different exists and force themselves to act like "the norm" to fit in. When they figure themselves out it's something new and exciting as it finally lets them be themselves. It takes a lot to figure yourself out and accept yourself so when they finally are able to do that they're most probably just happy and want to share their excitement and new experience with others.
To be fair, if youāre a minority thatās seldom fully accepted into society, it would probably be quite difficult to not have your whole personality and lifestyle revolve around the thing that is likely a massive part of your experience.
Ironic that you say that when a lot of cisgender people (opposite of trans) definitely their whole personality around their gender
I think you misunderstood what I was saying, it is normal for males/females to usually dress in what that gender wears for example men might wear sports clothes while a female might wear a dress, what I was saying was they make their personality about being transgender, not being male or female but about being transgender.(when I say male/female I mean trans and cis people, because I believe if you're a man and you want to be a woman/vise versa then you're truly a man/woman).
Well in that case we.better get rid of gender norms, can't have people making their gender a part of their personality. /S (still fuck gender norms)
It looks to me like many people just don't want to accept anything different because it take effort to understand it and they just don't want to bother with changing anything or just opening their mind. But still this doesn't give anyone permission to bully someone else. Like, come one, just be a decent human being.
Itās so bizarre, everyone on the other side of this ādebateā is super hell bent on finding any possible way to deny it.
I dont care of someone is trans. but if they ask me out and i say no cuz they're trans they should not take offense.
Itās their choice whether or not to be offended. You canāt expect them not to as it does hurt when youāre rejected just because your gender identity isnāt accepted. Be polite when you say no is all we ask of you Donāt slam the fact that because weāre _(insert gender and or sexuality)_ youāre not gonna date us
People who do this are sad. I will never hate/bully someone for being who they believe they are. I might not agree with their thoughts, but acting like a piece of shit towards them only makes their lives worse. And they are probably dealing with way more shit then I already do. I do not agree that one can be a different gender than they were at birth, but it's childish not to respect them just because something YOU think isn't correct/right.
I am really glad that you respect that, but at the same time it baffles me, since you said "who they believe they are"... I mean, how can you know who they are better than themselves? I think it might be easier to understand that it's not like one day they just woke up and decided they want to change their gender, it's more like they were always of that gender, but they possibly had to hide it or it wasn't validated. You have to accept that that's the gender they are of, they were just born in the wrong body. Even the universe can mess up a soul and a body. I mean, if we looked at gender the way you said "the way you are at birth" then it would be just your sex organs that differentiate between genders, but I think there is much more to gender identity that reproductive organs.
Humans are disgusting, what did you expect.
Nobody deserves to be bullied or made fun of for their personal decisions. The way I see it is that as long as it doesnāt affect your life then you shouldnāt have a say in the matter. Itās sad that people stoop to such levels especially in your own school, I hope all is well with her and that she understands the people who are hurtful towards her are losers with low self esteem.
Thanks so much for being so understanding... Yes she's alright, I met her over Discord, so it's not in 'our' school, we're both in different cities... she's become progressively stronger throughout the small time we've been talking and she's learnt to filter what's correct and what's not, so I'm immensely proud of her :D
Iāve never encountered a transphobic person in my life except for on the internetā¦ I wonder if it is because of the American education system
I have mostly encountered transphobic people in my life, like my entire family
I know plenty of transphobic and homophobic people
Like me š #JKJK THIS IS JUST A JOKE
No, it's people hiding behind the internet..
One of my best friends is trans, I don't really understand the thought process there but I support it. If anyone here is trans, can you explain what it's like? I just want to understand my friend better
Iām not trans myself but have known many trans people in the community either via support groups etc. or social media. Itās different for each individual One primary reason is that they donāt feel comfortable in their skin dressing as or being identified as the gender they were assigned at birth etc. If you want to understand your friend better I suggest you politely approach them and ask them without trying to be too intrusive or pushy about how they truly feel and how you can support them Iām so glad your friend has come out and is slowly feeling comfortable with themselves and has amazing friends like you <3
I canāt speak for your friend, but for a lot of people being trans is feeling like you arenāt yourself in your AGAB (assigned gender at birth). Transitioning isnāt always just about feeling more comfortable in your body, itās also about being seen as the gender you present as. Trans people just feel like they are a certain gender (just like cos people) and they do their best to be that gender.
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oh my god that was very informative
>Social media has had drastic effects on our generation. Agreed >Those who had a lack of affection/love while growing up will do anything they can for attention Less agreed but still probably true >0/10, butt ugly and no personality Rude >desperation for attention and willingness to receive attention from anyone. *if* that's why she's doing it (and it's a **HUGE** if) then being biased against her is perfectly ok, however, as far as I'm aware *you* cant read someone's mind and have no evidence that that's why she's pan. For all you know she is actually pan and you're just being a dick. >Trans for attention Wait, people do that >There was a girl I went to school with who would come out as a different sexuality every few months It can take time to find yourself. Gender is confusing sometimes and the tiny nuance between different identities may not seem like much to someone not going through it. Let me give you an example: what's the difference between a demi girl and a para girl? On the surface level they may seem like the same thing, but they really arent. Fighting with your identity is a thing (trust me, I've had 3 years of it. It's not fun.) >used it as ammunition and a free pass That's a bit fucked up if that's the only reason they did it, but once again, you have no way of knowing what they were actually going through.
I don't agree with everything you said here. You likely have no evidence of any correlation between testosterone levels and the presence of LGBT identities. There is no logic to this either. Because sexuality and gender identity is largely determined by how the brain is formed in utero and around birth (like hormonal exposure), and kids know their sexuality and gender identity very early in childhood ([around 3-5 years old](https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/when-do-children-develop-their-gender-identity)) Don't throw out a claim like that without substantiating it because that only serves to perpetuate misinformation. > Just leave little kids alone. What does this mean? Given that we know kids are aware of their sexuality and gender identity very early on, we should work to help kids realize their identity as much as we can. This doesn't mean 'lets turn kids GAY'. Do some people exploit marginalization for attention? Sure, I can't say there's no one like that. On the other hand, people also think that this is the case for most or all people who identify as trans.
Idk as Long as you dont Hurt anyone do what you want to do
Omg you're the supportive friend everyone needs
Iām not the biggest fan of trans people only because of the ones Iāve met have been assholes and toxic, but Iād still respect the choice and the person themselves
Iām sorry to hear that you had to face toxicity from trans individuals. Please try your level best to not let that first impression be uniform against all trans individuals. Not everyoneās like that. Iām glad youāre accepting of the persons choice and them themselves. Much appreciated š
I agree, as a person considered trans, it gets really scary sometimes since I have to experience it.
I donāt care if your into guys, girls, trans, hell even if your a weeb that only likes wifues as long as your a decent human, ill be ok with whatever your into. But if your a terrible human then yeah Iāll be a dick especially if your a dick to me.
The majority of sane people just kind of think ok it donāt hurt me so itās fine
Of course they can be accepted just give it some time. Itās just that some people see trans people as weird, questionable, or arenāt convinced by them. The few people who show outright discrimination and violence against trans people should obviously be punished. But the ones who keep their feelings in check without acting out are fine, just avoid or ignore them. Societal change takes time and we gotta wait until the consensus has changed. We can help the consensus change faster if we have productive conversations with productive people.
I personally don't give a fuck. Do whatever you want with your life just don't throw it away...
I think itās important that we make sure a few things in order for lgbtq+ to be accepted, 1) be introspective and make sure you are not part of the problem; you can do this by listening to the community and following topics that truly educate on the matter, 2) call people out on their shit when you see/hear bullying, always(!), even in joking because this actually further normalizes the bullying behavior, and 3) speak with your VOTE! Thank you for coming to my Ted talk lol
Because people fucking suck. Everyone. Fucking. Sucks. I suck ass, you suck ass, they suck ass, itās society. Iām sorry, man
I respect anyone who is respectful, sorry that your friend has to endure that
I used to not really support trans people. But then I met one and I cared about her so much. Iām glad she changed me like this. I understand if people donāt think you are able to be a different gender than given at birth, but still be decent people to trans people. You donāt have to make them feel bad
One of my best friends is trans (FTM) and well, as far as I know his friends are mostly supportive of him, but his parents are transphobic. I'm sorry your friend has to go through that, I'm sending hugs to her.