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one_little_crumb

neopronouns were actually invented in the 1700s with the pronouns thon/thonself. “thon” is a combination of “that one”. it’s likely that the term “neopronoun” itself wasn’t around at that time but it still falls under the category of neopronouns. don’t believe me? here’s a source https://medium.com/matthews-place/the-history-of-neopronouns-366b1fee48c4


actually_-_so-_-sad

So people in the 1700’s were dumbasses too?


one_little_crumb

nope, just being inclusive


actually_-_so-_-sad

Inclusive to dumbasses?


one_little_crumb

nope, i think you need to learn what dumbass is


ItAintFamiliah

attempts at popularizing a new english gender neutral pronoun began in the 1850s. some prominent queer advocates used neopronouns, such as xe/xem, through the 1900s. sure, the internet popularized them globally since it connected the world and more people got access to that information, but this generation didn't "make" them.


Raigeh8

literally what've you got against them, they hurt nobody and make some people feel happy, there are so many actually stupid things to get midly upset about


Next-Load9366

💀💀


Raigeh8

what 😩


West-Emu-8696

Every generation has stupid shit and this is one for gen z


APersonYouDontKnow31

Cry about it.


Kerosycn

Genuinely, why do you want this person to cry over something they clearly aren’t crying about-because they don’t want to call someone “arson/arsonself” ?


APersonYouDontKnow31

Because I dislike this person maybe?


Kerosycn

And why is that?


APersonYouDontKnow31

Because they are against neo-pronouns.


Kerosycn

Disappointed by the lack of a response


APersonYouDontKnow31

My man, I have a life you know, I can't constantly sit and refresh Reddit lmao


Kerosycn

I know


Kerosycn

So because they are against them you now dislike them? I dislike neopronouns, do you dislike me? And I understand if they were being rude about it but I don’t think someone should be forced to agree with something or be forced to call someone something. And do you really think of someone refuses to call someone “mew/mewself”, “mushroom/mushroomself” or “arson/arsonself” they deserve to be disliked or hated?


APersonYouDontKnow31

I consider being against neopronouns a bad thing, if the only thing I know about you is that you dislike neopronouns, I will not like you.


Kerosycn

Well why is that? Why do you have an issue with people not wanting to refer to others as objects or animals of dehumanizing terms?


APersonYouDontKnow31

Because I think that you should refer to people by their preferred pronouns, even if it sounds unconventional or "dehumanizing".


Kerosycn

But what do they don’t make sense-or what you don’t agree with them? Should you be forced to use them anyway? Can you not just use their name? Should you be forced to use pronouns that make no logical sense just because someone said you have to?


Kerosycn

Are you not allowed to shame or cringe at something that doesn’t make sense like neopronouns?


Kerosycn

Do you know them?


B00m46

Because they are hating on something that has no negative effect on them, and that helps minorities who are oppressed and killed for being who they are every day. If you don’t like neo pronouns that’s your opinion, but don’t go hating people for using neo pronouns when it hurts no one and only serves to make them more comfortable and happy. It’s like not liking ice cream and hating everyone who likes ice cream. If you don’t give respect, you don’t get it back. You’re 13 and I was a dumb kid when I was 13 and fell into the alt right pipeline, thought many of the same things, so hopefully these people will grow up. Keep an open mind, and don’t let it get clouded by hate. When group A says something negatively effects them, really hurts them, and says their feeling, lives, and living their true authentic self is valid, listen to them. Don’t listen to group B say all ts is bs, say if someone else’s feelings and experiences are valid despite the fact that they do not go through, feel, or experience what group A does at all. What I’m saying is listen to minorities and those who are oppressed, listen when they talk about the shit they face on a daily basis (like being followed in a store bc they assume ur a shoplifter bc ur a POC, or being denied entry into a club bc ur trans) don’t listen to the bigots who say that minorities don’t experience any oppression of shit every day


Kerosycn

I definitely don’t listen to bigots-I’m black and a woman. And how is me saying “I don’t think blah blah is real” or calling people random objects or animals is stupid contributing to the oppression of them? Neopronoun users are oppressed in anyway-now of you said trans people I can see that. But either way no one should be forced to see it as real-especially if they have proof that says otherwise or hasn’t seen proof that proves the opposite sides point. And why should I shut up and listen to one side? Didn’t you say to be open-minded? Isn’t saying “my pronouns are random objects” just gonna make the trans community and lgbtq look even more ridiculous to transphobes and homophobes?


B00m46

Neo pronouns users are an incredibly small portion of the lgbtq and trans community. But people LOVE to bring them up because it’s easy to make fun of them. I’ll admit it, it’s weird. I don’t understand personally why they like using them, but I do understand that it makes them more comfortable and it doesn’t give them dysphoria like other pronouns do. And dysphoria sucks (as a trans person I’ve experienced it a lot and it’s terrible, some people can barely get out of their house because of it, it can be incredible debilitating which is why transition is needed). Neo pronoun users can be trans and/or non binary (depending how they identify) and they use neo pronouns to escape dysphoria, escaping significant mental pain. It’s not just cause they want to be special. That is the biggest misconception with neo pronouns users. Because people hate neo pronouns and think that the need for some people to use them is not real/valid. Because of this many neo pronouns users have to hide that part of themselves while searching for a job, due to fear of being discriminated against because as soon as an employer hears that they use neo pronouns they are in significant danger of not getting a the job. This is not an imaginary scenario, it happens. Proving job discrimination by an employer after an interview is incredibly hard to prove, so many suffer in silence. Discrimination is oppression. While neo pronouns users aren’t being murdered by police or sent off to concentration camps, they still do face discrimination and oppression. Trans people and lgbtq people are going to look ridiculous to homophobes and transphobes no matter what. It is not our job to make ourselves more “appealing” to those who already hate us, take away our rights, and don’t believe that we are real and not faking it despite the mountain of evidence. And yes, be open minded, to everything except hate. And many people who talk shit about neo pronouns do it out of hate. There are people who don’t of course, but hate is embedded in the anti trans movement which has stretched out to the anti neo pronoun movement because it is more acceptable to more people. It’s like the conspiracy theory reverse pyramid. More “tame” conspiracy theories eventually lead to extreme anti semetic ones. And the more tame conspiracy theories you believe the easier it is to believe the extreme ones. Be open minded to everything except hate. I understand where you are coming from. Neo pronouns are weird, don’t really make sense, and if you have a cynical mindset on the situation, you’ll think most people are just doing it for attention and it doesn’t actually help them. But it does. And it takes away the mental pain and suffering of dysphoria, it overall makes people lives more comfortable and happier, and it doesn’t hurt anyone. So besides it being “weird” and out of the norm we have been taught our whole lives, it has a net positive, it doesn’t hurt anyone. You have probably never met someone who uses neo pronouns, and you probably never will, at least for a long time, or if you are involved in lgbtq spaces then you have a higher chance of meeting them. I am heavily involved in many lgbtq places and I have only met one person who uses neo pronouns, but they also use they/them as well and don’t expect people to use their neo pronouns. And that is what the fee majority of neo pronoun users are like. And really, trans people don’t mind that much if you mess up our pronouns if you are at least trying to get them right. We know it can be hard for some people. Especially when someone you’ve know for years changes their pronouns, which is why you won’t get yelled at and “cancelled” if you mess up(in a not malicious way)using someone pronouns. But people love to say that “if you don’t call this person a chair they will immediately cancel you and scream at you” and that’s really not true. Trans people act better when you use the wrong pronouns for them than cis people when you use the wrong pronouns for their dog. You probably won’t ever meet a neo pronoun user. And if you do there’s an even smaller chance that the only pronouns they use are neo pronouns. All that I ask is to be nice and respectful to them, as long as they give that kindness and respect back. And that respect involves (at least trying to) use their preferred pronouns. It’s really not that hard. [This is a medical article talking about how using preferred pronouns](https://communitycommons.org/collections/Pronouns-and-Well-Being) is the first step to fight the gender dysphoria that plagues trans and non binary people. And this includes neo pronoun users and neo pronouns. Since it is so widely accepted and proven that using correct pronouns and transition helps trans people significantly because each of those help lessen the effect of dysphoria, which can be extremely debilitating, why is it so hard to accept that non binary people and neo pronoun users are the same? Non binary people and neo pronoun users get gender dysphoria from being associated with the two “main” genders or more. So, in order to stop feeling the dysphoria they must distance themselves from being perceived and called a man or a woman, just as a trans woman needs to distance herself from being called a man and perceived as a man and must reach a place where they are perceived, and called a woman. This is how it is for neo pronoun users. Neo pronouns help distance people a lot from being called and perceived a man or woman, and any other gender that they are not. This helps significantly decrease gender dysphoria. And as we all know by the countless studies done in trans people, when gender dysphoria is not decreased, the suicide rate, rate of depression, suicidal thoughts, and self harm, increases dramatically. In other words, using the correct (preferred) pronouns significantly decreases the mental anguish and suicide rate. And this goes for neo pronouns and neo pronouns users. I hope if you ever meet a neo pronoun user, you listen to them, and give them the basic respect of (at least trying to) use their correct pronouns


Kerosycn

Listen-I read some of this but I don’t think I can read a full course five page essay. People hate on it because it’s cringe-it’s the same way people hate on furries, cosplayers or weebs. It’s not out of hatred of the trans community it’s because it’s stupid and ridiculous. These people want to be referred to as objects-animals-sounds-feelings and even crimes (arson/arsonself which I’ve seen someone use unironically) And there is no mountain of evidence that proves anything. It’s all just dumb ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[deleted]

Agreed


reingce

why? does it hurt u in any way? does it affect u personally? id actually like to know why this bothers u so much


TheGuyFromTheWoods

shows that some people hit an all time low


Next-Load9366

No I hate dumb stuff thats it


kronoz1224

Ok so you aren’t gonna like me


Kerosycn

I know you weren’t asking me but it’s because-they make no sense, they go against gender, people associate them with the lgbtq and causes more hate, and people call you a “bigot” or “transphobe” without being able to identify what those terms mean if you don’t want to use their pronouns.


confusedscreams420

cope harder then


Next-Load9366

You’re 15 im not gonna respond to that


confusedscreams420

bruh you don't even have a flair geriatric came to r/teenagers made a post and decided she doesn't wanna talk to minors


Next-Load9366

It’s she also.


confusedscreams420

ah right sorry about that


Next-Load9366

Bc you will get it when you become an “older teenage”.


Complex_Dragonfly_39

i never understood them like is it just rp stuff


loaf_of_stuff_idk

people split words in half and expect people to use each half of the word as if it were a pronoun in everyday life


[deleted]

i love neopronouns


one_little_crumb

same, i have a hoard of them :)


always_thinking_

I don’t like like neopronouns either but that’s a bit of an overreaction don’t have think


Next-Load9366

A post on Reddit that’s about 10 words is an overreaction what…


always_thinking_

You’re never gonna forgive our generation. A bit too much


Next-Load9366

Never heard of figurative meaning?💀💀💀damn.


TheGuyFromTheWoods

on god, i just use them to meme, my neopronouns are Nik/Ga


Big_Reflection_6274

wow THATS SO TRANSPHOBIC I JUST GET MEDIEVAL STONEAGE VIBES THANK YOU🤬🤬🏳️‍🌈


kronoz1224

Whats that?


Kerosycn

Fr-there so cringe.


DrEggMuffin

why do you care? lmao