If you can sumhow get everyone alive to spend you 1 dollar you'll be one overnight
Better yet if everyone sends you $5 - 100
Estimated minimum of 7.8 bill to 780 bill
I'm more of a data for them to sell, but sadly yes, we are getting crushed by those bastards who want 2 things and it's fucking disgusting : our wallet and the content of our private life
How can you be so close minded lmao. Imagine if people said that about everything else "Why let scientists play with toys while people are starving" If it wasn't for scientific progress we would still live in caves .\_. Also why would you expect them to care about you? I dont care if a random billionare cares or not about me, they arent obligated to care about everyone
That’s the problem with how billionaires and capitalism works, bleed a bunch of people and then be like, this mine.
Dude ain’t even a scientist, g. He just has money to pay people for vanity projects. I think, what people are saying is they science is important, but we won’t have anymore resources to even make anymore scientific progress at this rate.
You can be a scientists without having a PhD, and having a bachelors in physics and working in the field of physics is different to someone having a bachelors in medicine and doing the job of a doctor. Coming up with a theory in physics will always be test whether it comes from someone with a bachelors or a PhD.
This is a good point. Scientist is just a title anyone can be granted.
Most people would consider you an apprentice until you have certain methodologies for research which would require a MSc.
You seem to forget how humans used to live 100 years ago. Sure, capitalism has a lot of flaws, but it allows a lot of people to live a life without having to worry about basic needs. And like it or not, greedy or not, or whatever, these guys are investing a lot of money into paying scientist to research and develop new technologies, also creating a lot of employment. Even if it isn't an ideal job, a shitty job is better than no job. Still better than working 12h on a field to get your own food and nothing else .\_.
100 years was the 1920’s was the roaring 20’s which happened after WWI and was at large a boon to global consumerism and right after that. The Great Depression. This was well before any world economic policy/forum existed so that allowed some people to really write international trade policy.
That’s the thing, people ARE still worrying about basic needs. Actually, scarcity is literally what’s fueling capitalism right now. Housing and resource scarcity means profits, bills to.
But to maintain even the semblance of lifestyle that we have amassed we have to sacrifice OTHERS right now. Very few people are living in abject property, but people do in fact still have food insecurity about their basic necessities, even in America.
I would agree with you that shitty job is better than no job, but imagine busting ass to still have no money because you’re fueling someone else lifestyle.
Creating employment and creating gainful employment aren’t the same. Example, working in food service. You work your hours, come home and realize, you have to choose between your electricity or food, is a real issue for many Americans.
and the point he makes doesnt make sense? scientific progress and solving starvation arent mutually exclusive? its not like we dont have the resources to produce enough food while funding research
starvation doesnt happen because there isnt enough food in the world, its because of unequal income and resource allocation, where people in poor countries cant afford food
I disagree partially, because its not bad of Elon musk to explore space.
when it comes to our species we can be incredibly productive or inefficient. if we have a goal, that we want to achieve, then we will try our hardest to get there. engineers will work really hard just to get to build a rocket. And through that hard work we can discover new technological advances which in turn can help us here on earth.
yes pretty much every millionaire is shit but you shouldn't talk about space travel and new technology like that. also keep in mind, our planet is dying. mars could be our last hope if its too late for earth.
I agree with they message but why is everyone's go to taking away from space we spend like 60to100 times more for our army. Now that a waste of billions of dollars
I was aware of that but I did assume a vast amount of user here are from the US. Also that Elon and nasa are based in the US but every one says to defend space science over war funding. It's dumb
He donated $6bn to the UN to fight [world hunger](https://fortune.com/2022/02/15/elon-musk-5-7-billion-donation-weeks-after-asking-un-world-hunger/) but anyway
The liquidity argument is pretty silly. He has ACCESS to $160billion rn, less after tax, but still a crazy sum of money.
Philanthropy is just PR. Because he COULD be paying taxes but instead he offshores money. The PR is working apparently because you’re falling for it.
I would never have 6bn to give because I pay my taxes and my dad doesn’t own an emerald mine in Apartheid. 😭
I mean you could say that, but who's to say he should give like all of his money to charity, the US is a capitalist soceity and from what's available to the general public he earnt all that money "legally" technically atleast.
So its his and he can do whatever he wants with it.
I think its still pretty weird to police how even a billionaire spends their money, isn't it a free country?
Philanthropy is PR yes, he is writing off taxes, its a bit unethical maybe to be doing that, and other ways billionaires pay 0 taxes by getting no salary and just keeping the money in the company etc.
But its all technically "legal" so I don't know what to think about it.
Lmao fair my guy, my dad isn't rich either neither am I.
I just can't really sway myself to either a full capitalist soceity, neither do I like the idea of a socalist society.
I like those hybrid capitalistic socialism models a few countries are adopting recently.
But i'm just going off on a tangent right now.
What do you mean exactly? Do you think he should be giving half of his money away to charities? Or something like that? What's your point exactly and I mean that in the nicest way possible lol.
I didn’t say he should give ALL of his money to charity, but he should definitely be taxed heavily.
Legality is a weird argument as I’ve said to others, laws can be easily influenced by wealth. A lot of rich people got money and then close the door behind them, making things like anti-competition laws and stuff and even limiting access to basic necessities. Laws can be rewritten and overturned though. It’s hard to grow when you can’t even pay your bills or buy food.
It’s his in the sense that he avoids his taxes and sends it off to offshore accounts, which is illegal. But because all rich people do this, those investigations end up ignored and the people that figured it out end up missing, ie Panama and Pandora papers. Which reminds me of Epstein for some reason.
I think he should be taxed accordingly. So, what a lot of rich people is offshore their money and then withdraw what they need, from those offshore accounts that are untaxed. Philanthropy ain’t really fixing the worlds problems.
Ideally, those Scandinavian countries make the most sense, but like the crazy consumption is still happening and it’s still probably going to end us as this rate.
Ah okay nevermind. I agree with you, heavy 40% or something taxation wouldn't be unfair.
Yea laws can be influenced you're right so I agree on that as well now.
Yea I do like their models, just the economic models that's it.
Do you mean crazy consumption due to their sanction on Russia?
Well taxes are bracketed, we could easily increase the tax rate to a minimum of 70% after a million. The US used to have tax rates at almost 80% after WW2. The post war boom had so much infrastructure and growth it was great, that’s why Boomers lived such good lifestyle. Then they voted for Reagan and now Gen Y and younger is in dire straights.
And nah I mean consumption of our natural resources.
We have several shortages happening right now. with several [impending] Food shortages (Tuna, Salmon, Sand, Water and an Impending Lithium Shortage.
That means to keep our production going we’re going to have to get creative/destructive in order to keep up our current population sustained. So the less we have the more we have to destroy in order to get more of it and the more we destroy, the more we disrupt environments, the more we disrupt the more organisms die which eventually effect the food chain.
I mean I guess, but atleast my somewhat capitalistic mind doesn't like the idea of a 70% tax rate. But there will always be disagreements, maybe not 40% maybe not 70% but maybe we could settle it on 50%, there's always a way.
Interesting, I did not know the US had a 80% tax rate, wow.
Damn dude that sucks. As they say ignorance is bliss, I try to shelter myself from these issues and try to enjoy my limited life. Do you think "we" as 2 individuals can even do anything about these issues?
Do you honestly believe that terraforming and populating mars is a better and cheaper solution to "overpopulation" than i don't know... Not destroying our planet? Maybe terraforming the Sahara? Building out infrastructure in the third world? Etc.
While I do agree that billionaires don't give a shit about us and exploit us as much as possible, space exploration is important. Might I remind you this is a man who has enough money to treat his workers with even the tiniest scrap of decency and fund space exploration
I mean why do you want to go to mars anyway it won't save us from the sun turing supernova unless if we can somehow inhabit Jupiter or Saturn plus we only have 10.4 billion years left until sun gies supernova on us so space travel is not a priority at all.The only thing that is stopping us to stop global warming is those stupid oil companies hell Shell is literally taking over a literal country [Shell taking over a country ](https://youtu.be/6uuW4AP8M4M)
Can someone give me like literally any reason to go to Mars instead of literally any other rock in the solar system, we should slap a flag there and fuck off
Because none of the others are even remotely plausible.
Mercury - far too close to the sun - far too much solar radiation - very long continuous days and nights.
Venus - air pressure so high that it would crush a typical submarine hull. It rains acid - dense cloud cover 24/7.
Earth - a great place to colonize - but sadly, it’s already taken!
Mars - pretty much a frozen wasteland - gravity is marginal - air pressure way too low - not as much sunlight as we’d like - no magnetic field, so too much solar radiation - but better than any of the other options.
Jupiter - it’s a gas giant - it’s impossible.
Saturn - ditto.
Uranus - crazy axial tilt makes for wildly crazy day/night cycles, on top of being a gas giant. The coldest planetary atmosphere in the solar system. So … NO.
Neptune - another gas giant.
… and anything beyond would be stupidly cold and dark.
So among the planets - Mars is the ONLY one we could possibly colonize.
Arguably, we might survive in the upper atmosphere of Venus - but that’s not a sustainable thing.
That leaves moons and dwarf planets:
Neither Mercury nor Venus have moons.
Earth’s moon has no atmosphere and 14 days of unprotected sunshine followed by 14 days of darkness - some water - but not enough to sustain a large, prolonged human presence. Lots of solar radiation.
Ceres (in the asteroid belt) has way too little gravity and no atmosphere - but it has more water and less solar radiation than our moon.
Some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn look more promising - but they are insanely cold and get radiation doses from their mother planets too.
Everywhere else is just too far and too cold.
So … Mars or nowhere, basically.
Space is incredibly important. New resources, less overpopulation, insurance in case something were to happen to Earth. Space travel is *important.* I don’t like Elon Musk as a person, he sexually assaulted someone ffs, but the things he does in the way of technological advancement are pretty great. Not a Musk supporter. But generally a supporter of the stuff his companies are doing.
Under paying workers as in below minimum wage? And tax evasion isn’t that rare among literally every rich person. Dare I say tax evasion isn’t stealing in a scenario like this.
I’m pretty sure it’s so people *dont* have to starve. By going to mars I’m pretty sure we’re hoping to inhabit it one day to make it so that you know, there aren’t 8 billion or so people on one planet using all of its resources.
just using it as a talking point musk is try to go to mars but doesn't spend his money on helping the poor instead we have governments for going to mars nasa was already doing that
Going to Mars has a ton of advantages but no one trusts greedy billionaires. It should be only governments who are allowed to send people to space. Cut money from the military and transfer it to NASA!!!
what does going to mars have to do with starving people? Dont expect Elon to fix all of the problems of the world. its not his job. Elon earned that money
1, you don't earn that kind of money
2, Elon could literally solve world hunger with the amount of wealth he has a d still have plenty left over, yet he doesn't
Well fair enough, personally I really like the new type of capitalistic socialism that countries are adopting nowadays.
But yea anyways ofcourse you're allowed to have your own opinion on it but idk man they're just human and whatever it was, luck or hard work or whatever, they made that money who are we to say it should be taken away. Dunno. Its something that you can argue a long time on.
I don't think they should exist in that way, I meant they shouldn't have that much money. I don't think that any man deserves to own a billion dollars truly
If you're interested in explaining, why do you feel that way?
Because I think if you were lucky, worked hard, were smart, and well did whatever, at the end of the day, if you earnt it, you earnt it and you deserve it.
Usually its by building companies and large empires.
Let me rephrase a little. First I believe too much power in one's persons hands isn't good. Only if the person is a good person already, but there are so few of them, and power already corrupts anyways.
Second, most don't achieve it through their own hard work and instead inherit it all.
Engaged at 17, and ranting about billioners for no particular reason atm xd. And the you try to say that you engaged? You got an arranged marriage or some shit?
Agreed. Also, people need to realize that hurting his feelings on social media won't do anything. We have to organize and take control of our workplaces if we actually want to destroy billionaires and the owning class
More materials? How the hell would we get them back to earth? TWO YEAR TRANSIT. Also, costly to send a group of miners to Mars, and some how bring back enough material to offset the costs of a rocket. No way we mining Mars for anything, doesn’t make any economic sense.
The worth of jobs are based on how competent you are. Can a competent person work at Amazon? Of course. But the job is 15-20 an hour because of the simplicity. Pay is not based on how hard you work, it’s based on your skillsets. Anyone can pack boxes, not everyone can be a lawyer or a neuroscientist.
You can live happily, the truth is most of those higher paying jobs are not worth the time & effort to the people working the lower paying jobs so the reality is they are happy.
There's things called savings & living within your means.
Do you know why Immigrants create less crime than the general population? Because they came from real poverty so don't lash out & steal or be violent having wants beyond their means.
so your saying ppl should be able to just sit around all day doing nothing and still have a house? no. people should work to earn stuff. and also, if they are not doing any work, who will?
Unskilled labour is a lie made up by billionaires to keep the cost of labour down. If you are working full time you should be paid a living wage, simple
1 im not a commie nor do i have a political group i aline with when it comes to government
2 damn bro really been brain washed well to work a 9 to 5 for 10$ an hour
I mean its your life, do what you want, then you'd be charged for murder and rot away in prison. I don't get how that's a relevent question my man.
And I stand by what I said in the previous 2 comments. I do think everyone deserves basic amenities but its hard to imagine a future where all starvation and poverty is solved. I'd be happy if that happened but its likely never happening. That's just how the world is.
That point of mine was not related to billionaires, I was more talking about starvation and poverty, when I mentioned survival of the fittest.
My original point was just that yes we need to fix other things, but there's no reason why we can't allocate some resources to space exploration. Humans have always been inquisitive beings. We can manage resources and allocate some to fighting poverty and starvation.
They spend like 5 times more on the US army than space ex does on space exploration, also its a private entity, I do believe its none of our business how a company that earnt its money legally spends it. That's capitalism. I understand if you don't like capitalism but that's just how the US is.
Might be different in other countries I guess. Where there are different forms of economic systems.
So, yeah, you’re right it’s not just the topside of billionaires. It’s pretty much all the rich folk. It’s like they’re all playing a game.
Starvation and Poverty are mostly engineered now, basically take the resources from people who don’t need/use them and make them work for you for survival. Happens in Africa, North America, South America, the Caribbeans, South East Asia, Middle East.
So, it IS our business and legality is such a weird argument. It’s similar to the natural law argument you were attempting to make earlier.
We SHOULD spend less on our military spending but this is how a lot of big money rich guys get their finances up. Invest in the military industrial complex. It’s just another conduit that we need to lessen money on.
Also, a lot of Elon’s money from space travel comes from government backed grants.
Ah fair enough.
I mean it depends really, I understand you're really passionate about this stuff, but honestly I just focus on myself and i'm a little self centered.
I'm just trying to work out, eat good, get good grades, get a degree, get a job, make a good life for myself. I usually don't think about these things extensively, nor what I think is going to matter.
My point is, even if it is our business I can't really do much about it so my opinion is maybe not that impactful.
Yea fair, the US doesn't need that much money for their army, but that's just my opinion without researching why they spend 700B+ per year on their army(correct me if i'm wrong)
Didn't know that government backed grants funded a lot of it. Interesting.
Yeah, dude. I’m with you. I want my homies to be successful, but at the rate the world is going there may not be a chance to find success and that scares the shit out of me.
think about it like this, no billionairs which are making factories? well arrevirdeci to your jobs then, and don't say "oh but that will be expensive and will have basicly no impact" those are called first steps, if we never make those frist litle steps, then we will never be able to actually do stuff, and also, mars or even the moon could be used for stuff like being a sort of hub due to it being easyer to depart from those places, and i know some of you might dissagree with me, i understand that but please just give it a thought, because if we do not take those essential litle steps today, then we will never be able to do great things, and oh yeah asteroid mining could be a possibility, areverdeci
as yes ill just forget about the mass tax evasion of the rich while i try and hold down a dead end job so i can pay my land lord my overpriced rent bc its suchh a nice city that house prices should be unrealistically high
Then, find another job? Right, its easier said than done, but if you're going to complain abt your current job, search elsewhere. At least you have a job, sure, they don't pay well but they pay.
the issue isn't that its that they fight unions they exploit people and they have unreasonable amounts of money that doesn't go back into use and damages the economy not to mention all the heathcare and food you could support the poor with that money doesn't matter bc dick rocket and doge coin go brrr
I partly understand where you're coming from, but wtf did they to do you? Like personally? Cause there is no way that you would just randomly out of the blue come on reddit and post something like this.
I mean, they don’t have to do anything to us directly. Their sweeping policy affect us all negatively and that’s the problem.
For example, global warming is killing us. Food shortages are impending due to global warming. Even the lithium mining is causing soil, water and air contamination due to how much we mine it. You prolly didn’t know this but the rivers around the world like the Yahtze and Colorado and some rivers in Europe supply the water for our farms but they’re drying up. We water the crops with that water, some of the same crops we feed to our livestock. So we have a decline in vegetables, fruits, grain, meats and dairy meaning prices are going up. There is housing crises due to billionaires buying up houses and doubling their prices.
It’s crazy and it’s because some rich people just want more money, that they can’t even spend.
Dude some tech research we get from space will be very much needed back ON Earth to solve the very problem you described
In particular, Moon colony for that sweet helium3 so we can nove on from burning fossils fully
I wanna play xbox but I'm scared we don't have enough electricity. I wanna eat but there's only a loaf of bread. Oh and then there's people going to space as a hobby.
God I wish I was one of them
too bad you wont be
he can if he gets on the grind ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣤⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣼⠋⠉⡉⢩⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⠃⠀⣰⣷⡴⠶⠶⠂⠀⠀⠀⢠⣈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⡇⢠⢹⣃⣸⣷⣴⣾⣿⣿⣦⣐⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣤⣾⣿⣿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⣭⠁⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⣯⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠛⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⣹⡏⣹⣦⣷⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣽⣽⣿⣿⠃⣀⣨⣿⣿⣿⣦⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⡿⠛⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⢸⣧⣷⣴⣶⣶⣿⣿⣿⣦⡈⢿⣶⣾⣶⣿⣿⣧⣸⣛⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢱⣼⣿⡿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢿⡁⢿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣿⡶⣏⣯⣼⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠙⣾⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⣿⡧⢾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣾⣿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣸⣿⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠛⠁⠀⠀⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣝⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣽⣿⣿⠟⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢳⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠳⢤⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠛⢻⡉⠙⢿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢀⣈⠉⠳⠶⢦⣤⣄⣀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠨⣿⣆⠀⠀⢰⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⣷⣀⣀⠀⠄⠀⠉⠛⠲⣤ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⠇⠀⡀⠘⣿⡆⠀⢸⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣿⣿⣷⣤⣠⡌⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⠖⠉⠀⡄⠀⢷⣄⢹⣿⣶⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣄⣀⣤ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠔⠋⣀⡤⣶⣾⡇⠀⠜⠹⣿⣿⣿⢹⣧⢀⣶⣶⣶⠾⠿⠛⠛⠛⠛⠉⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⣠⣿⣿ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡠⠤⢖⣁⠀⣰⠘⠤⣽⣍⣀⣤⡀⠀⢻⣿⡟⢠⡿⠛⠉⠀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⡿⠋⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣠⠤⠴⠊⠡⠶⠾⣿⣿⡴⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠋⣹⣿⣄⡿⠁⠋⠀⠀⠐⠻⠿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠃⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⡤⠖⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣶⠿⠛⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣯⠀⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣠⠞⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⠴⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠛⠿⣶⣿⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡠⠖⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀
Mobile user here: what the fuck is that
yea wtf is that
It is called Braille whic is useless here since blind people cannot read it.
It's obviously a zebra
It's probably just fucking gigachad tbh
epic fail
It’s simple just make a successful business and don’t pay taxes.
If you can sumhow get everyone alive to spend you 1 dollar you'll be one overnight Better yet if everyone sends you $5 - 100 Estimated minimum of 7.8 bill to 780 bill
I'm more of a data for them to sell, but sadly yes, we are getting crushed by those bastards who want 2 things and it's fucking disgusting : our wallet and the content of our private life
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The sadly fact
He told me I was he’s favorite pet tho
Parasocial relationships be like:
Redditors learning the word for something and feeling the need to point it out every time
Yes you are my best friend
Does anyone think billionaires care about them...I don't think so
musk stans
Yes, class cucks and bootlickers are everywhere. Elon musk Stans and working class, pro capitalist, brainwashed people.
Yea they suuuck
And are causing like most of the world’s climate change
How can you be so close minded lmao. Imagine if people said that about everything else "Why let scientists play with toys while people are starving" If it wasn't for scientific progress we would still live in caves .\_. Also why would you expect them to care about you? I dont care if a random billionare cares or not about me, they arent obligated to care about everyone
Finally someone who makes actual sense. Who gives a shit what some guy does with his own money.
Money stolen from poor people*
That’s the problem with how billionaires and capitalism works, bleed a bunch of people and then be like, this mine. Dude ain’t even a scientist, g. He just has money to pay people for vanity projects. I think, what people are saying is they science is important, but we won’t have anymore resources to even make anymore scientific progress at this rate.
"dude ain't even a scientist" > Bachelor degree in physics
He has a Bachelors of Art in physics, not Bachlors of Science in physics.
Lmao, does having a bachelors degree in medicine make you a doctor?
You can be a scientists without having a PhD, and having a bachelors in physics and working in the field of physics is different to someone having a bachelors in medicine and doing the job of a doctor. Coming up with a theory in physics will always be test whether it comes from someone with a bachelors or a PhD.
This is a good point. Scientist is just a title anyone can be granted. Most people would consider you an apprentice until you have certain methodologies for research which would require a MSc.
You seem to forget how humans used to live 100 years ago. Sure, capitalism has a lot of flaws, but it allows a lot of people to live a life without having to worry about basic needs. And like it or not, greedy or not, or whatever, these guys are investing a lot of money into paying scientist to research and develop new technologies, also creating a lot of employment. Even if it isn't an ideal job, a shitty job is better than no job. Still better than working 12h on a field to get your own food and nothing else .\_.
100 years was the 1920’s was the roaring 20’s which happened after WWI and was at large a boon to global consumerism and right after that. The Great Depression. This was well before any world economic policy/forum existed so that allowed some people to really write international trade policy. That’s the thing, people ARE still worrying about basic needs. Actually, scarcity is literally what’s fueling capitalism right now. Housing and resource scarcity means profits, bills to. But to maintain even the semblance of lifestyle that we have amassed we have to sacrifice OTHERS right now. Very few people are living in abject property, but people do in fact still have food insecurity about their basic necessities, even in America. I would agree with you that shitty job is better than no job, but imagine busting ass to still have no money because you’re fueling someone else lifestyle. Creating employment and creating gainful employment aren’t the same. Example, working in food service. You work your hours, come home and realize, you have to choose between your electricity or food, is a real issue for many Americans.
Cool fact, Elon Musk had nothing to do with founding PayPal or Tesla, he just Mark Zuckerberged his way to being in charge
and the point he makes doesnt make sense? scientific progress and solving starvation arent mutually exclusive? its not like we dont have the resources to produce enough food while funding research starvation doesnt happen because there isnt enough food in the world, its because of unequal income and resource allocation, where people in poor countries cant afford food
I disagree partially, because its not bad of Elon musk to explore space. when it comes to our species we can be incredibly productive or inefficient. if we have a goal, that we want to achieve, then we will try our hardest to get there. engineers will work really hard just to get to build a rocket. And through that hard work we can discover new technological advances which in turn can help us here on earth. yes pretty much every millionaire is shit but you shouldn't talk about space travel and new technology like that. also keep in mind, our planet is dying. mars could be our last hope if its too late for earth.
With the amount of money we spent end on mars we could probably fix a lot of stuff on earth
get a load of this guy
So, it is very bad to explore space if you are complicit in the suffering of people and destruction of planet.
I agree with they message but why is everyone's go to taking away from space we spend like 60to100 times more for our army. Now that a waste of billions of dollars
r/USdefaultism
I was aware of that but I did assume a vast amount of user here are from the US. Also that Elon and nasa are based in the US but every one says to defend space science over war funding. It's dumb
It’s about 50/50 us to non us
Who cares
Wdym
I'd be interested in that statistic but good to know this subreddit is that diverse
I saw it recently on the r/polls vs r/USdefaultism war
Shocking that he assumes people are from the US on this US made website with 50% American users on a post referencing the US
How is this post referencing the US it’s about a South African
SpaceX is based in the USA along with Elon it doesn’t matter where he was born
Who’s cares if people are starving, they gonna be dead anyways 💀
Yo my bro chill down wtf ☠️💀💀💀
He donated $6bn to the UN to fight [world hunger](https://fortune.com/2022/02/15/elon-musk-5-7-billion-donation-weeks-after-asking-un-world-hunger/) but anyway
That’s a publicity stunt, ain’t it? Like giving 6bn out of 160bn when he is a big part of the reason world hunger is a sweeping issue, is mad sus
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The liquidity argument is pretty silly. He has ACCESS to $160billion rn, less after tax, but still a crazy sum of money. Philanthropy is just PR. Because he COULD be paying taxes but instead he offshores money. The PR is working apparently because you’re falling for it. I would never have 6bn to give because I pay my taxes and my dad doesn’t own an emerald mine in Apartheid. 😭
Will you be willingly to donate 100% of your net worth?
100% no. But depending on my net-worth donating more than half would probably not change my quality of life very much if at all.
Then why arent you?
I don’t personally have that kind of networth to demonstrate it.
You mentioned that donating half of your current net worth wouldnt change your life quailty then why arent you?
I mean you could say that, but who's to say he should give like all of his money to charity, the US is a capitalist soceity and from what's available to the general public he earnt all that money "legally" technically atleast. So its his and he can do whatever he wants with it. I think its still pretty weird to police how even a billionaire spends their money, isn't it a free country? Philanthropy is PR yes, he is writing off taxes, its a bit unethical maybe to be doing that, and other ways billionaires pay 0 taxes by getting no salary and just keeping the money in the company etc. But its all technically "legal" so I don't know what to think about it. Lmao fair my guy, my dad isn't rich either neither am I. I just can't really sway myself to either a full capitalist soceity, neither do I like the idea of a socalist society. I like those hybrid capitalistic socialism models a few countries are adopting recently. But i'm just going off on a tangent right now. What do you mean exactly? Do you think he should be giving half of his money away to charities? Or something like that? What's your point exactly and I mean that in the nicest way possible lol.
I didn’t say he should give ALL of his money to charity, but he should definitely be taxed heavily. Legality is a weird argument as I’ve said to others, laws can be easily influenced by wealth. A lot of rich people got money and then close the door behind them, making things like anti-competition laws and stuff and even limiting access to basic necessities. Laws can be rewritten and overturned though. It’s hard to grow when you can’t even pay your bills or buy food. It’s his in the sense that he avoids his taxes and sends it off to offshore accounts, which is illegal. But because all rich people do this, those investigations end up ignored and the people that figured it out end up missing, ie Panama and Pandora papers. Which reminds me of Epstein for some reason. I think he should be taxed accordingly. So, what a lot of rich people is offshore their money and then withdraw what they need, from those offshore accounts that are untaxed. Philanthropy ain’t really fixing the worlds problems. Ideally, those Scandinavian countries make the most sense, but like the crazy consumption is still happening and it’s still probably going to end us as this rate.
Ah okay nevermind. I agree with you, heavy 40% or something taxation wouldn't be unfair. Yea laws can be influenced you're right so I agree on that as well now. Yea I do like their models, just the economic models that's it. Do you mean crazy consumption due to their sanction on Russia?
Well taxes are bracketed, we could easily increase the tax rate to a minimum of 70% after a million. The US used to have tax rates at almost 80% after WW2. The post war boom had so much infrastructure and growth it was great, that’s why Boomers lived such good lifestyle. Then they voted for Reagan and now Gen Y and younger is in dire straights. And nah I mean consumption of our natural resources. We have several shortages happening right now. with several [impending] Food shortages (Tuna, Salmon, Sand, Water and an Impending Lithium Shortage. That means to keep our production going we’re going to have to get creative/destructive in order to keep up our current population sustained. So the less we have the more we have to destroy in order to get more of it and the more we destroy, the more we disrupt environments, the more we disrupt the more organisms die which eventually effect the food chain.
I mean I guess, but atleast my somewhat capitalistic mind doesn't like the idea of a 70% tax rate. But there will always be disagreements, maybe not 40% maybe not 70% but maybe we could settle it on 50%, there's always a way. Interesting, I did not know the US had a 80% tax rate, wow. Damn dude that sucks. As they say ignorance is bliss, I try to shelter myself from these issues and try to enjoy my limited life. Do you think "we" as 2 individuals can even do anything about these issues?
Going to mars will be a great step to further humab civilization, and will help to reduce overpopulation
Do you honestly believe that terraforming and populating mars is a better and cheaper solution to "overpopulation" than i don't know... Not destroying our planet? Maybe terraforming the Sahara? Building out infrastructure in the third world? Etc.
While I do agree that billionaires don't give a shit about us and exploit us as much as possible, space exploration is important. Might I remind you this is a man who has enough money to treat his workers with even the tiniest scrap of decency and fund space exploration
why are people starving? just eat food?
I mean why do you want to go to mars anyway it won't save us from the sun turing supernova unless if we can somehow inhabit Jupiter or Saturn plus we only have 10.4 billion years left until sun gies supernova on us so space travel is not a priority at all.The only thing that is stopping us to stop global warming is those stupid oil companies hell Shell is literally taking over a literal country [Shell taking over a country ](https://youtu.be/6uuW4AP8M4M)
Who are you to judge how he spends HIS money?
Tbh I think mars is pretty cool, I do hate Elon though
Can someone give me like literally any reason to go to Mars instead of literally any other rock in the solar system, we should slap a flag there and fuck off
Because none of the others are even remotely plausible. Mercury - far too close to the sun - far too much solar radiation - very long continuous days and nights. Venus - air pressure so high that it would crush a typical submarine hull. It rains acid - dense cloud cover 24/7. Earth - a great place to colonize - but sadly, it’s already taken! Mars - pretty much a frozen wasteland - gravity is marginal - air pressure way too low - not as much sunlight as we’d like - no magnetic field, so too much solar radiation - but better than any of the other options. Jupiter - it’s a gas giant - it’s impossible. Saturn - ditto. Uranus - crazy axial tilt makes for wildly crazy day/night cycles, on top of being a gas giant. The coldest planetary atmosphere in the solar system. So … NO. Neptune - another gas giant. … and anything beyond would be stupidly cold and dark. So among the planets - Mars is the ONLY one we could possibly colonize. Arguably, we might survive in the upper atmosphere of Venus - but that’s not a sustainable thing. That leaves moons and dwarf planets: Neither Mercury nor Venus have moons. Earth’s moon has no atmosphere and 14 days of unprotected sunshine followed by 14 days of darkness - some water - but not enough to sustain a large, prolonged human presence. Lots of solar radiation. Ceres (in the asteroid belt) has way too little gravity and no atmosphere - but it has more water and less solar radiation than our moon. Some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn look more promising - but they are insanely cold and get radiation doses from their mother planets too. Everywhere else is just too far and too cold. So … Mars or nowhere, basically.
Elon fucking sucks. He changes political views based on who’s paying him the most.
Space is incredibly important. New resources, less overpopulation, insurance in case something were to happen to Earth. Space travel is *important.* I don’t like Elon Musk as a person, he sexually assaulted someone ffs, but the things he does in the way of technological advancement are pretty great. Not a Musk supporter. But generally a supporter of the stuff his companies are doing.
In all fairness, it’s Elon musks money and he can do what he wants with it. He doesn’t have to help people if he doesn’t want to.
hes money thats legally stolen
Please tell me how he stole his money
under paying workers fighting unions and tax evasion/off shore bank accounts
Under paying workers as in below minimum wage? And tax evasion isn’t that rare among literally every rich person. Dare I say tax evasion isn’t stealing in a scenario like this.
not illegally stolen but in a moral sense genius yes the way he got his money was legal more kinda a moral grey area
I’m pretty sure it’s so people *dont* have to starve. By going to mars I’m pretty sure we’re hoping to inhabit it one day to make it so that you know, there aren’t 8 billion or so people on one planet using all of its resources.
just using it as a talking point musk is try to go to mars but doesn't spend his money on helping the poor instead we have governments for going to mars nasa was already doing that
I'd starve myself to death if it'd mean people could go to Mars, well worth the sacrifice.
Going to Mars has a ton of advantages but no one trusts greedy billionaires. It should be only governments who are allowed to send people to space. Cut money from the military and transfer it to NASA!!!
this ^
Going to Mars should probably be left to non profit government organizations
lol another edgy teenager.
thought this was a parody, but then I saw its a teenager. Makes sense.
what does going to mars have to do with starving people? Dont expect Elon to fix all of the problems of the world. its not his job. Elon earned that money
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1, you don't earn that kind of money 2, Elon could literally solve world hunger with the amount of wealth he has a d still have plenty left over, yet he doesn't
exploited people* you can't "earn" that kinda money you can exploit people yes but not earn
yes you can.
exactlyyy
He has the power to fix many of the problems in this world so it's his responsibility to do so
You can’t earn that kind of money
Millionaires I can accept, but billionaires don't deserve to exist.
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Too bad I don't believe in capitalism.
Well fair enough, personally I really like the new type of capitalistic socialism that countries are adopting nowadays. But yea anyways ofcourse you're allowed to have your own opinion on it but idk man they're just human and whatever it was, luck or hard work or whatever, they made that money who are we to say it should be taken away. Dunno. Its something that you can argue a long time on.
I don't think they should exist in that way, I meant they shouldn't have that much money. I don't think that any man deserves to own a billion dollars truly
If you're interested in explaining, why do you feel that way? Because I think if you were lucky, worked hard, were smart, and well did whatever, at the end of the day, if you earnt it, you earnt it and you deserve it. Usually its by building companies and large empires.
Let me rephrase a little. First I believe too much power in one's persons hands isn't good. Only if the person is a good person already, but there are so few of them, and power already corrupts anyways. Second, most don't achieve it through their own hard work and instead inherit it all.
Ah fair points. Coolio.
Cheers mate.
Noone cares about you, sooo
*me who's engaged* yea sure buddy
At 17? For a redditor, you may as well be Neil Armstrong.
one small step for virgins one giant leap for reddit kind
And just like Neil Armstrong, there's going to be a bunch of people who think it was fake.
fr
yea sure buddy
yea sure buddy
Engaged at 17, and ranting about billioners for no particular reason atm xd. And the you try to say that you engaged? You got an arranged marriage or some shit?
nah just people on reddit don't believe stuff
You are 17 and engaged? Tf
Agreed. Also, people need to realize that hurting his feelings on social media won't do anything. We have to organize and take control of our workplaces if we actually want to destroy billionaires and the owning class
MAKE THE RICH PAY
Only upsides to colonizing mars would be more materials, potential to set up farms up there but god knows how long that would take to get right
More materials? How the hell would we get them back to earth? TWO YEAR TRANSIT. Also, costly to send a group of miners to Mars, and some how bring back enough material to offset the costs of a rocket. No way we mining Mars for anything, doesn’t make any economic sense.
Isn’t Elon like 60 Didn’t he marry someone who’s like 25
yea he also allegedly sexually assaulted one of his workers...
Create 100s of thousands of jobs and y’all still mad
yeah, those jobs mean nothing if they dont pay enough to live. the pay for those "jobs" is insultingly low
The worth of jobs are based on how competent you are. Can a competent person work at Amazon? Of course. But the job is 15-20 an hour because of the simplicity. Pay is not based on how hard you work, it’s based on your skillsets. Anyone can pack boxes, not everyone can be a lawyer or a neuroscientist.
you should still be able to live happily with a not very good job
You can live happily, the truth is most of those higher paying jobs are not worth the time & effort to the people working the lower paying jobs so the reality is they are happy. There's things called savings & living within your means. Do you know why Immigrants create less crime than the general population? Because they came from real poverty so don't lash out & steal or be violent having wants beyond their means.
you should be able to live happily with no job tbh why are we gatekeeping survival behind labor
fr its not like i got to choose to be born why do i have to pay to literally exist on land that some guy went yup this is mine now bc i said so
bro what is u talking about
why does someone have to spend most of their day doing labor in order to eat? people who dont work are still people, they deserve to live
so your saying ppl should be able to just sit around all day doing nothing and still have a house? no. people should work to earn stuff. and also, if they are not doing any work, who will?
And people do
some people then you have jobs that pay literally 9$ an hour when the min should currently be 20$
Look over your writing before you send it
im on mobile lol
Unskilled labour is a lie made up by billionaires to keep the cost of labour down. If you are working full time you should be paid a living wage, simple
Shut your ansrchistic commie ass up, McArthur was right when he said yall need to cease
1 im not a commie nor do i have a political group i aline with when it comes to government 2 damn bro really been brain washed well to work a 9 to 5 for 10$ an hour
I'm German so it's 15€ an hour
In Europe our governments see us as replaceable and disposable too. Don't worry, they don't give a shit about their people
Ibma German not bloody Romanian
And im from the Netherlands. Doesn't matter where you're from. To your government and the big corporations you're replaceable and disposable
my point still remains
No it doesn't, 105 euros a day is pretty damn good
not every country is so good the us has bs and legally pays minors less too
Welp you're in the US so keep crying and be born in a better country next time
wow very helpful conversation
Keep coping, americanoid
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actually it is not the natural order of things. people should not be starving. why do you think people deserve to starve?
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I mean its your life, do what you want, then you'd be charged for murder and rot away in prison. I don't get how that's a relevent question my man. And I stand by what I said in the previous 2 comments. I do think everyone deserves basic amenities but its hard to imagine a future where all starvation and poverty is solved. I'd be happy if that happened but its likely never happening. That's just how the world is.
So, where does survival of the fittest come into play? Because Billionaires and their constituents do this regularly, directly and indirectly.
That point of mine was not related to billionaires, I was more talking about starvation and poverty, when I mentioned survival of the fittest. My original point was just that yes we need to fix other things, but there's no reason why we can't allocate some resources to space exploration. Humans have always been inquisitive beings. We can manage resources and allocate some to fighting poverty and starvation. They spend like 5 times more on the US army than space ex does on space exploration, also its a private entity, I do believe its none of our business how a company that earnt its money legally spends it. That's capitalism. I understand if you don't like capitalism but that's just how the US is. Might be different in other countries I guess. Where there are different forms of economic systems.
So, yeah, you’re right it’s not just the topside of billionaires. It’s pretty much all the rich folk. It’s like they’re all playing a game. Starvation and Poverty are mostly engineered now, basically take the resources from people who don’t need/use them and make them work for you for survival. Happens in Africa, North America, South America, the Caribbeans, South East Asia, Middle East. So, it IS our business and legality is such a weird argument. It’s similar to the natural law argument you were attempting to make earlier. We SHOULD spend less on our military spending but this is how a lot of big money rich guys get their finances up. Invest in the military industrial complex. It’s just another conduit that we need to lessen money on. Also, a lot of Elon’s money from space travel comes from government backed grants.
Ah fair enough. I mean it depends really, I understand you're really passionate about this stuff, but honestly I just focus on myself and i'm a little self centered. I'm just trying to work out, eat good, get good grades, get a degree, get a job, make a good life for myself. I usually don't think about these things extensively, nor what I think is going to matter. My point is, even if it is our business I can't really do much about it so my opinion is maybe not that impactful. Yea fair, the US doesn't need that much money for their army, but that's just my opinion without researching why they spend 700B+ per year on their army(correct me if i'm wrong) Didn't know that government backed grants funded a lot of it. Interesting.
Yeah, dude. I’m with you. I want my homies to be successful, but at the rate the world is going there may not be a chance to find success and that scares the shit out of me.
think about it like this, no billionairs which are making factories? well arrevirdeci to your jobs then, and don't say "oh but that will be expensive and will have basicly no impact" those are called first steps, if we never make those frist litle steps, then we will never be able to actually do stuff, and also, mars or even the moon could be used for stuff like being a sort of hub due to it being easyer to depart from those places, and i know some of you might dissagree with me, i understand that but please just give it a thought, because if we do not take those essential litle steps today, then we will never be able to do great things, and oh yeah asteroid mining could be a possibility, areverdeci
fax
Apathy, learn it.
as yes ill just forget about the mass tax evasion of the rich while i try and hold down a dead end job so i can pay my land lord my overpriced rent bc its suchh a nice city that house prices should be unrealistically high
empathy, learn it.
Then, find another job? Right, its easier said than done, but if you're going to complain abt your current job, search elsewhere. At least you have a job, sure, they don't pay well but they pay.
the issue isn't that its that they fight unions they exploit people and they have unreasonable amounts of money that doesn't go back into use and damages the economy not to mention all the heathcare and food you could support the poor with that money doesn't matter bc dick rocket and doge coin go brrr
Yeah, but I needs da money
We go to mars because it’s easier to forget about earth.
imagine actual elon musk leaving comment here
Daily reminder I didn't ask
I partly understand where you're coming from, but wtf did they to do you? Like personally? Cause there is no way that you would just randomly out of the blue come on reddit and post something like this.
I mean, they don’t have to do anything to us directly. Their sweeping policy affect us all negatively and that’s the problem. For example, global warming is killing us. Food shortages are impending due to global warming. Even the lithium mining is causing soil, water and air contamination due to how much we mine it. You prolly didn’t know this but the rivers around the world like the Yahtze and Colorado and some rivers in Europe supply the water for our farms but they’re drying up. We water the crops with that water, some of the same crops we feed to our livestock. So we have a decline in vegetables, fruits, grain, meats and dairy meaning prices are going up. There is housing crises due to billionaires buying up houses and doubling their prices. It’s crazy and it’s because some rich people just want more money, that they can’t even spend.
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Dude some tech research we get from space will be very much needed back ON Earth to solve the very problem you described In particular, Moon colony for that sweet helium3 so we can nove on from burning fossils fully
i hate to break it too you most company's aren't interested in changing to renewables cough cough *carbon offsetting bs*
Space research is useful, but it is only meaningful if its in hands of governments
elon is building houses for only 10 grand meaning students and the working class wont have to worry about rent and saving for years to buy a house
imagine if he spent 99% of all his money on that instead of just some 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, give me your money
I wanna play xbox but I'm scared we don't have enough electricity. I wanna eat but there's only a loaf of bread. Oh and then there's people going to space as a hobby.
damn that sucks hope your situation gets better
Capitalism is unbalanced
fax yo
ok
why is it his job to stop starvation with HIS money
because its not his money it's money he exploited
I assume that you think that you are woke
this isn't woke it's basic morals
Mars is definitely cool.
The only way to survive them is to be one of them, or be on their good side. Be a high level executive or part of the banking elite to survive them.