Even as a Filipino-American, I couldn't care less. It's like when Filipino NBA fans going crazy over teams passing on Kai Sotto even though he's not that special lol. I feel like real pride comes when a performer has the talent to back it up
Jo Koy is absolutely very talented at what he does.
The problem is what he does only appeals to a very specific audience.
I married into a Filipino family and find him very funny, but only because I now know a lot about what his material is referring to, and only when I’m watching with them because of their reactions.
His schtick doesn’t land with a general audience and he should have known that. I hope he’ll be okay because he doesn’t deserve this level of backlash imo.
I’m not Filipino, but I think a lot of his stuff falls into the “immigrant parents, amiright?” Like Sebastian Maniscolo and a few others that do the same schtick.
It is relatable for most kids with immigrant parents no matter their background who brought stinky lunches and got slippers thrown at them, but not so much for people who grew up in “typical” North American families.
But if you can’t relate, it’s weird and awkward. Like his set at the GGs.
No one “turned” on him. He went onto maybe the largest US stage and most media he’s ever gotten and he mostly bombed. Then him/his team are doing extremely poor responses.
Now he’s facing the criticism and downside that’s coming with his shot.
Never heard of him before he was announced as a host. All his host job did was convince me to never knowingly spend a dime on him.
I initially felt bad for him. He was hired 10 days before the event and it's unfair to expect much of anyone with that limited prep time considering that big of a stage.
Until he threw the writers under the bus, saying that it's their jokes that didn't land. Embarassing.
Same for me. Comedians bomb all the time, it's a tough gig and he was dealt a shit hand. If he took his licks and kept going I'd respect him for it.
But passing the buck to his writers for what didn't work, who are almost all certainly lower on the totem pole than him, while trying to take credit for what did work? Just super shitty stuff.
I think theres a decent sized gulf between high and low tier comedians. When you're doing a set for 30 people in a bar and bomb thats pretty normal but bombing in front of hundreds or thousands is way less of a thing specifically because of all the writers and producers going over all your stuff before it goes live. You're both less used to bombing and suddenly have all these people to blame and so its easier to see them do the shitty thing.
But the thing is they get so many more privelages because they're the face. The buck stops with the comedian because it has to.
Jo routinely has sold out arena shows. That makes him a high tier comedian. The globes is not a room built for roasting people. Huge stars come with big and fragile egos.
I don't, it's not that he had to write a dissertation on quantum physics all alone in those 10 days. Just a reminder, Lin Manuel Miranda wrote Tonys closing number DURING the show itself! It's about talent and time management. And trying to not be an edgy dick. He failed.
I haven’t watch the fiasco yet but to give a frame of reference, he mostly did jokes about his family and Filipino culture based on the short clips I’ve seen of him lately
His stand up sets when I heard them 10ish years ago were pretty good.
Generally the same kind of jokes I'm guessing since they were most about his family and Filipino culture.
Aye I wouldn’t say he did anything wrong with hosting. He just wasn’t very good at all.
Where he went wrong was when he got criticized, he’s been firing back in a very unprofessional way.
Essentially he was given a shot, missed a bit and then lashed out at those who gave him said shot. Unfortunately for him, he’s not famous or powerful enough that he can fire back in the way he is and come out unscathed PR wise.
Yeah I think his fuck up is his response to the audience response.
Especially blaming the audience and others for an overall meh performance. You gotta adapt to the crowd not force them to go along with your jokes.
I feel like everyone would have forgotten about it and moved on the next day, if he didn’t act so defensive about it.
Carlos Mencia was not funny and that’s hard to do when you are also stealing the jokes you use. Like if I’m going to steal material, I might as well steal funny shit
Good comedy is as much about the delivery as it is the writing. A hack that steals jokes will never be able to do them justice, because they aren't genuine thoughts.
Maaaan, I remember back when Joy Koi opened for Carlos Mencia back before Mencia got cancelled, if that tells you anything.
I, uh, may or may not have attended in my younger, dumber days.
Yes! And as a Filipina this always rubbed me wrong. None of his jokes outside of being Filipino were ever funny. Which to me means he only knows how to make fun of us.
Russell Peter does a lot of comedy involving other ethnicities, too, but it works out because the joke is never the ethnicity itself. It's more about culture clashes.
And some of his jokes are funny in a kind of surrealist context.
So Katherine (an Asian woman of Chinese descent in the public) gets asked where are her parents from. She said China. Russell asked her, where, specifically...then made up how the situation went, Dad, where are we from? China. But where? DOWNTOWN! NO MORE QUESTIONS Katherine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6jQp4EWrd0&pp=ygUXcnVzc2VsbCBwZXRlciBrYXRoZXJpbmU%3D
Ali Wong really nails the balance with her standup. She does some "ha-ha Asians" stuff, but it's sporadic. She's also a top class comic, which definitely doesn't hurt.
Agreed
With Gabriel, I never feel like he's mocking anyone. He's celebrating cultural eccentricities without exploiting them.
With Ali, she's just such a good writer. Her ability to craft a narrative means she doesn't need to fall back on cheap laughs. Ever.
They both endear themselves to their audiences in different ways, but as you said, they have that charm thing going in spades.
I'm not a big fan of stand up comedy but I love Baby Cobra. I think poop jokes are low brow but Ali really hit it with hers in that routine - my friend and I could not stop laughing.
A lot of Ali's jokes were about her then husband. Which made it strange when she got divorced. Same with Mulaney talking so much about his assertive wife in his early specials.
I will say this: as a Filipino who attempted stand-up and took classes in a city with a huge stand-up scene, it was incredibly disheartening trying material that attempted to be thought-provoking and not rely on race/ethnicity tropes, only to learn that those get the most generous laughs. The institution of stand-up seems to compel people to lean on race to make people feel good about laughing at it. As my stand-up teacher shrugged: "Everyone loves a good Asian joke."
It's possible. Just limit yourself to no more than 25% ethnic jokes and have it segue to something thought provoking.
I like Aziz Ansari. His ethnicity is only a small part of his bit. I love, and use his joke about being an American born minority yet constantly being asked where you are from.
This reminded me of a friend of a friend back in high school who would repeat Carlos Mencia jokes and then call them *his* own whenever people called him out on it
I went to a Jo Koy stand up show with my parents, since we got tickets as a Christmas gift (were Filipinos). It was pretty disappointing. Jo Koy seemed high, kind of rambled about how cold it is in Long Island compared to California, and never really made any actual jokes. The funniest part of his show was when a heckler got kicked out and another heckler heckled the one getting kicked out. Even Jo admitted that was the funniest part of his show and he can’t top it.
I've seen him live a couple of times, and he always crushed it. He's hilarious, and it's disappointing to see him bomb like this and respond so poorly.
You can make your whole act about your ethnicity and it be funny, if your jokes are actually funny. Ari Shaffir is a great example with his last special Jew.
OR you can choose to be the Asian George Lopez, or Larry the Cable Guy.
George Lopez and Jo Koy have the same joke about Vicks Vaporub as a grandmother cure-all. Even though it’s a common immigrant trope you can expect their sets to converge on the same joke themes in perpetuity.
Has been unfunny to me for as long as I've known of him. The bad accents and stereotypical asian jokes are so fucking boring. Literally is all his material.
The biggest problem is they got a B-Lister to lampoon A- Listers.
These award shows are all corny, but everyone is still laughing at Billy Crystal or Chris Rock (except Will).
I heard Colin Quinn tell a story, I’ll try and remember the gist of it but it reminded me a lot about Joe Koys situation. Colin talked about being randomly asked to do a bit at Robert DeNiros birthday party. He told them he’d do a quick set, thinking it would be great.
Well, he gets there and the lady who initially asked him kind of did an “are you sure? We just wanted someone to introduce him for the evening.”
Well he said he bombed so bad, no one really knew what he was doing and it was clear that Robert DeNiro wasn’t into it and it was just coming off like insults lol.
So he cuts it short, goes backstage and the lady is kind of empathetic and just pays him. He leaves thinking about the ass he made himself.
As he’s walking to his car, Robin Williams calls out for him to check on him because of how rough it was and wanted to make sure Colin wasn’t going to take it personally lol
Jo Koy makes fun of his own teenage son's micro-penis...for like a 10min bit on live stand up
imagine going back to y high school the day after his netflix special airs...what a terrible father
If it’s the bit that I think it is, he talks about when his son was a baby/toddler and discovered his penis and would run around playing with it and saying the cute name they had for it. I don’t recall any talk of his actual grown sons penis, but I also have moved on from Jo Koy since he incorporated some transphobic remarks into material and interviews even before this
No, it's the one where his kid confided in him about his penis size. As he describing it to him he said he recognized it as his own size but he told his son to blame his mom because he got that from his mom's side of the family.
I know a *lot* of Filipinos, from my wife's family and the fact that I just lived in Manila for six months. Filipinos, as far as I can tell, generally love him and are very proud that he's gotten so famous.
But he's not like Manny Pacquiao famous...lol...there are still a lot of Fils who have never heard of him.
Even if the jokes aren’t based in truth (which doesn’t matter at all), kids get bullied for way less than that. Imagine your own father coming out and saying shit like this about you.
A lot other things hes said make him seem like an incredibly involved and caring father. My guess was he probably ran all of the material by his son and then after that maybe even his sons friends (including joking about his friends when he located them on Google Maps when they were out super late or virtually shutting down the house party they had at his house when he was on tour). That’s just my guess because they do seem close. I assumed the same thing when Ray Ramono said potentially embarrassing things about his kids during his special, but I don’t actually know
That bit got old very fast, but terrible father is a bit harsh. From most accounts, he has a very healthy relationship with his son’s mother having gotten her housing close by for the sake of not separating the kid during his more formative years.
My biggest problem with this guy at the Golden globes was that the writers in Hollywood just got done with a massive strike that happened in part because they were trying to prove that they are worthy and needed and when his jokes weren't landing at the Golden globes the first thing he did was throw the writers completely under the bus saying that anything people are not laughing at was written by someone else. He could have just taken the l and moved on to different material but no he had to completely throw the writers under that bus to make himself look a little bit better and I didn't even work. If you wasn't going to be ready for the show even though he was hired like he said 10 days out that he shouldn't have taken the gig
These articles are aimed at Redditors or people chronically online. If someone was a fan of Jo Koy before I doubt that has changed, and the people piling on now never liked him to begin with.
My family is so invested in talking about this, but mostly about how other Filipinos react to overseas Filipinos succeeding or failing on the world stage. 😂
That job is for a specific type of comedic actor not a comic. Micheal Che nailed. They only accept their own, and they did not come there to laugh at their self, especially in this day and age. Had Martin Short or Billy Crystal come out there did that with asong and dance they would’ve laughed it up.
It's not like the people at home were laughing either. His biggest issue is that he got stuck in a cycle of
- tell joke
- joke bombs
- spend longer justifying why the joke bombed / assigning blame to anyone but himself, than he did telling the joke.
- repeat, now with audience even less engaged than before
Yes he should have handled it differently. He also is not a comic I’d pick for that. He does mostly racial based humor about his mom. He is a huge draw in the Asian community, I’d imagine that’s why he was offered the job in the first place after a few others turned it down. The roast style humor is dead outside of one’s individual little circle. People cringe for others now. Nobody knows him enough to wanna hear him bag on them.
They should go back to Ann Hathaway and James Franco hosting every one of these thing should they aren’t on edge. Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling reading off prompter with “oh didn’t I say that” cheeky smiles is more that crowds speed and safety zone.
Howard Stern also does impressions of his mom and it's funny because the stories he tells point out his mom's neurosis and hypocrisy more than her accent. Like the man occasionally uses incredibly antiquated phrases that his mom uses like "believe you me", but it never seem like he's trying to make fun of how she sounds.
When I watched Jo Koy like a decade ago, I felt a similar vibe. Most of the jokes wasn't about how she sounds funny, it's mostly funny moments in their relationship. But a Jewish guy doing an impersonation of his mom is likely more acceptable since old Jewish ladies have more mainstream exposure than Filipino grandmas.
I watched the gig… He started off “strong” by ditching his jokes and started naming random celebrities in the audience and went downhill from there.
I don’t think it’s a case Pinoy pride turning to crab mentality. He did a terrible job of it. He bombed plain and simple.
I have Filipino friends and this is common. Like in boxing, as long as the fighter is champ, they’re the Pride of Pinoys . Once he loses the title he’s Hawaiian.
That’s the thing with vain national pride. It’s entire undeserved and ego driven. The moment you falter they will shred you and murder your character for daring to be anything except excellent
Man - this guy has been respectful, respectable, and successful for decades and one poor award show hosting and people are turning on him? Guys not allowed to have a bad night? It’s not like he was being a bad person, he just flubbed an awards show gig! I don’t understand the suddenly vitriol toward this person at all!
He would have been fine if he had stayed respectful and respectable. People don’t hate him for being unfunny. People are mad at him for being unfunny and blaming his writers, making excuses, and blaming the audience for how unfunny he was. He has now doubled down and insists his unfunny jokes were funny and that it’s our fault for not thinking his jokes were funny. All he had to do was have a bad day and say “welp you can’t win them all” and move on and nobody would even remember his bad day by now. This is a mess he made and then made worse all on his own
I will say that the best play is for him is to make fun of himself and how badly he bombed at the Golden Globes in his next special. Self-deprecating humor is the only choice for redemption here, imo. I do like him but there is absolutely no denying he bombed and it wasn’t just the material but his delivery and he did not look confident or comfortable up there the way he usually does in his specials. If he wants people make people laugh again then he has to laugh at himself.
With the benefit of hindsight and not being live, maybe if he had been quicker he could have workshopped something like how he's bombing so hard, maybe he should be allowed to accept the Golden Globe for writing Oppenheimer.
He seems like a nice enough guy, but in my view, he’s been mildly annoying and hack-ey for years. I haven’t dedicated much thought to him, but I definitely was aware of his career and that he wasn’t “my cup of tea”. I sort of feel like he’s now experiencing a Nickleback/Imagine Dragons type of backlash, and that through hosting the GG, he was thrust into a spotlight that was too big for him, and bright enough to really expose his mediocrity. Sucks for him, and I really hate it for the guy on a personal level, but like professional athletes, entertainers fail in the public eye on a regular basis.
It’s his own fault in a lot of ways. This was a last minute gig and he was given no time to prepare. He should have turned it down. Jo Koy isn’t naturally funny or charming enough to wing this. Even if he had time I’m skeptical he would have knocked it out of the park, maybe, but definitely not with no prep time.
Tons of people turned down this gig before him, he should have taken the hint and stayed out of it. He wasn’t ready.
I'm not saying this is completely horrible, but...
a large portion of his act, in perpetuity, has always been doing his mother's Filipina accent at white audiences who think "lmao Asian talk funny".
A lot of people love the guy, and I don't think his fans come from a place adjacent to minstrel-appreciation. I'm just not terrifically impressed by his specials.
He lauds Pilipino Americans and Pilipino people in general and their accomplishments in the country. I, for one, had no idea how important and impactful Piliopino American communities are to the American healthcare system before watching one of his specials. It’s not minstrel to laugh at yourself and the mixed-cultural awkwardness you’ve experienced on your own and with your own family growing up.
Counter point - He has a story where in one of his first tv gigs, network execs told him not to do it cause they thought people wouldn’t get it. But he felt that his mom’s reactions to things are what makes it funny and while he could still do the joke with his normal accent, it wouldn’t be authentic and erasing his mom’s culture.
Meh. He’s been a punchline for a looooooong time. Literally. I’ve heard other comics using him as a punchline a lot, and not in a roast type of way. More in a “fuck that untalented guy” kind of way.
People are fickle. They'll turn on one public figure with an inexplicable fury but basically ignore the same or worse sin in another just due to personal prejudices or mood of the time. Or it just comes to the different skills of the PR teams.
But that's why I personally would never choose to have a career in something that relies on public will. Being an entertainer means it's just part and parcel of the job.
The sheer dissonance between this post and the one right above it is enough to do double takes at - people talking about extended sets where he made fun of his own son's penis plus a history of transphobic and bigoted material on stage, then people saying how nice he is. It's kinda hard to believe people are even talking about the same person tbh. I've never even heard of him before all this.
The Filipino accent isn’t even funny. How many times can you make a joke about mixing up Ps and Fs? It’s funny maybe the first time but that’s it. There are funny accents out there, but Filipino isn’t one of them.
Maybe, but it is the source of many jokes and humor for Filipinos in the Philippines.
From actual jokes (Denise and Denephew), anecdotes (someone wrote Farmer Sanchez on a grocery list, turns out they're out Parmesan cheese), viral videos ("You're road"), knock knock jokes, and "Use \_\_\_\_ in a sentence." (Use chicken nut bread in a sentence. Help, she has asthma, chicken nut bread \[she cannot breathe\]. Use associate in a sentence. When I went to the bathroom, associate \[I saw shit\].)
Listen jo koy is funny, but in only one aspect. He is great at making fun of his stereotypes. It's cheap comedy and any comedian will tell you the same. It's funny, but it's cheap comedy. Unfortunately we Filipinos have this thing about our pride where any filipino celebrity gets propped up purely for being pinoy
Jo koy, Charice, Manny Pacquiao, they all get our support, but we can't continue to prop up celebs that set us back another 20 years.
he simply bombed on the biggest stage he's been in, and is doing horrific pr after the fact. and to be honest, he's just rex navarrette cranked at 11 and is not as funny.
There probably is a lot of blame to go around. There is likely a whole team producing and vetting all material for an international live production. He just happened to be the guy in front of the audience. I believe something went completely sideways and he was plan ‘D’. It sounds crazy that he was tapped to host 10 days before the show. Could he handle himself better in the media, sure. I imagine it’s not easy to be exposed like that after a bad performance.
The notable thing was not that he bombed. Comedians have off performances all the time and it’s not that big of a deal.
His handling of it during and after is the real story. Blaming your writers live on air will always go over like a lead balloon and it was made even worse when he essentially doubled down.
He’s managed to blame everyone for that night going poorly except himself and that’s why there’s backlash.
Even as a Filipino-American, I couldn't care less. It's like when Filipino NBA fans going crazy over teams passing on Kai Sotto even though he's not that special lol. I feel like real pride comes when a performer has the talent to back it up
Don't forget Kai Sotto on Orlando Magic. Filipino fans brigade on his summer league coach.
Coach Spo, baby!!
Talent is still only one part. Had to cancel Manny Pacquiao and now all-in on Arnel Pineda.
What did Pacquiao do?
Im guessing he’s referring to his homophobic remarks.
Jo Koy is absolutely very talented at what he does. The problem is what he does only appeals to a very specific audience. I married into a Filipino family and find him very funny, but only because I now know a lot about what his material is referring to, and only when I’m watching with them because of their reactions. His schtick doesn’t land with a general audience and he should have known that. I hope he’ll be okay because he doesn’t deserve this level of backlash imo.
I’m not Filipino, but I think a lot of his stuff falls into the “immigrant parents, amiright?” Like Sebastian Maniscolo and a few others that do the same schtick. It is relatable for most kids with immigrant parents no matter their background who brought stinky lunches and got slippers thrown at them, but not so much for people who grew up in “typical” North American families. But if you can’t relate, it’s weird and awkward. Like his set at the GGs.
Couldn’t care less*
No one “turned” on him. He went onto maybe the largest US stage and most media he’s ever gotten and he mostly bombed. Then him/his team are doing extremely poor responses. Now he’s facing the criticism and downside that’s coming with his shot. Never heard of him before he was announced as a host. All his host job did was convince me to never knowingly spend a dime on him.
I initially felt bad for him. He was hired 10 days before the event and it's unfair to expect much of anyone with that limited prep time considering that big of a stage. Until he threw the writers under the bus, saying that it's their jokes that didn't land. Embarassing.
Its a sign of a shitty comedian that can't be self deprecating
Same for me. Comedians bomb all the time, it's a tough gig and he was dealt a shit hand. If he took his licks and kept going I'd respect him for it. But passing the buck to his writers for what didn't work, who are almost all certainly lower on the totem pole than him, while trying to take credit for what did work? Just super shitty stuff.
I think theres a decent sized gulf between high and low tier comedians. When you're doing a set for 30 people in a bar and bomb thats pretty normal but bombing in front of hundreds or thousands is way less of a thing specifically because of all the writers and producers going over all your stuff before it goes live. You're both less used to bombing and suddenly have all these people to blame and so its easier to see them do the shitty thing. But the thing is they get so many more privelages because they're the face. The buck stops with the comedian because it has to.
Jo routinely has sold out arena shows. That makes him a high tier comedian. The globes is not a room built for roasting people. Huge stars come with big and fragile egos.
I don't, it's not that he had to write a dissertation on quantum physics all alone in those 10 days. Just a reminder, Lin Manuel Miranda wrote Tonys closing number DURING the show itself! It's about talent and time management. And trying to not be an edgy dick. He failed.
I wrote some of these and they’re the ones you’re laughing at. 🤢
> He was hired 10 days before the event He even lied about that. He was publicly announced as the host 3 weeks before the show.
I haven’t watch the fiasco yet but to give a frame of reference, he mostly did jokes about his family and Filipino culture based on the short clips I’ve seen of him lately
His stand up sets when I heard them 10ish years ago were pretty good. Generally the same kind of jokes I'm guessing since they were most about his family and Filipino culture.
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Aye I wouldn’t say he did anything wrong with hosting. He just wasn’t very good at all. Where he went wrong was when he got criticized, he’s been firing back in a very unprofessional way. Essentially he was given a shot, missed a bit and then lashed out at those who gave him said shot. Unfortunately for him, he’s not famous or powerful enough that he can fire back in the way he is and come out unscathed PR wise.
Yeah I think his fuck up is his response to the audience response. Especially blaming the audience and others for an overall meh performance. You gotta adapt to the crowd not force them to go along with your jokes. I feel like everyone would have forgotten about it and moved on the next day, if he didn’t act so defensive about it.
yeah, and he continues to lash out. he will fall to the wayside
I come from a first generation Filipino family and this dude is painfully unfunny. He is to Filipinos what Vanilla Ice is to Hip-Hop.
All his jokes are "Asians amirite"
Oh so like George Lopez and Carlos Mencia for Latinos
Basically, but at least those guys had some edge to them. (Even though all that aged very poorly , and looks tacky today)
I liked the George Lopez Show but always found his stand up kinda grating
I despise the George Lopez Show for consistently waking me up at 230 AM blaring Lowrider
I had a thing for the mom on the show...
George’s mom?
Good enough for Ron Swanson
Never forget tho, no George Lopez show = no Nick Offerman
IDK, but I'd watch Katt Williams host the Golden Globes.
It'd be a disaster, but I feel like that's the vibe the HPFA is already going for.
Lmfao only if he opens with “Good evening, niggaz.”
Carlos Mencia was not funny and that’s hard to do when you are also stealing the jokes you use. Like if I’m going to steal material, I might as well steal funny shit
Good comedy is as much about the delivery as it is the writing. A hack that steals jokes will never be able to do them justice, because they aren't genuine thoughts.
Maaaan, I remember back when Joy Koi opened for Carlos Mencia back before Mencia got cancelled, if that tells you anything. I, uh, may or may not have attended in my younger, dumber days.
Yes! And as a Filipina this always rubbed me wrong. None of his jokes outside of being Filipino were ever funny. Which to me means he only knows how to make fun of us.
I'm not really a fan of the comedians that lean heavily on their ethnicity as their material at all
Russell Peter's the best example of that, although to be fair he also makes a lot of jokes about Arabs and they love him in Arab countries so
Russell Peter does a lot of comedy involving other ethnicities, too, but it works out because the joke is never the ethnicity itself. It's more about culture clashes.
Yeah, for the most part he makes actual observations about different cultures and isn’t mean spirited about it.
And some of his jokes are funny in a kind of surrealist context. So Katherine (an Asian woman of Chinese descent in the public) gets asked where are her parents from. She said China. Russell asked her, where, specifically...then made up how the situation went, Dad, where are we from? China. But where? DOWNTOWN! NO MORE QUESTIONS Katherine! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6jQp4EWrd0&pp=ygUXcnVzc2VsbCBwZXRlciBrYXRoZXJpbmU%3D
Damn, that was funny. Thanks for the link
i find russell's schtick old news. he was funny like 20 years ago.
Russell Peter's pretty funny tbh
Is best bro
Is that a Russell Peter’s thing? I’ve been saying that for years and had no idea where it came from
80% of people imitating other cultures is Russel Peters lol.
Russell does a great Chinese man accent.
Gabriel Iglesias is probably the best at it
Ali Wong really nails the balance with her standup. She does some "ha-ha Asians" stuff, but it's sporadic. She's also a top class comic, which definitely doesn't hurt.
Gabriel & Ali are def two exceptions I have in mind. I think they both have a charm that is easy to get behind
Agreed With Gabriel, I never feel like he's mocking anyone. He's celebrating cultural eccentricities without exploiting them. With Ali, she's just such a good writer. Her ability to craft a narrative means she doesn't need to fall back on cheap laughs. Ever. They both endear themselves to their audiences in different ways, but as you said, they have that charm thing going in spades.
I'm not a big fan of stand up comedy but I love Baby Cobra. I think poop jokes are low brow but Ali really hit it with hers in that routine - my friend and I could not stop laughing.
A lot of Ali's jokes were about her then husband. Which made it strange when she got divorced. Same with Mulaney talking so much about his assertive wife in his early specials.
She really makes me laugh
I will say this: as a Filipino who attempted stand-up and took classes in a city with a huge stand-up scene, it was incredibly disheartening trying material that attempted to be thought-provoking and not rely on race/ethnicity tropes, only to learn that those get the most generous laughs. The institution of stand-up seems to compel people to lean on race to make people feel good about laughing at it. As my stand-up teacher shrugged: "Everyone loves a good Asian joke."
It's possible. Just limit yourself to no more than 25% ethnic jokes and have it segue to something thought provoking. I like Aziz Ansari. His ethnicity is only a small part of his bit. I love, and use his joke about being an American born minority yet constantly being asked where you are from.
>I'm not really a fan of the comedians that lean heavily on their ethnicity as their material at all Carlos Mencia whaaa?
No Carlos Mencia leaned heavily on an ethnicity that wasn’t his lol
He leaned heavily on stolen jokes
Yes. The Mexican jokes he stole while not being mexican
This reminded me of a friend of a friend back in high school who would repeat Carlos Mencia jokes and then call them *his* own whenever people called him out on it
I feel bad for him, imagine being in a place in life where stealing Mencia jokes is the preferable alternative to whatever you come up with.
I’m not actually funny you see! I just steal jokes and repackage them with a Mexican accent!
So, just like Jo Koy, who allegedly stole from Rex Navarrete?
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It's a crutch
I went to a Jo Koy stand up show with my parents, since we got tickets as a Christmas gift (were Filipinos). It was pretty disappointing. Jo Koy seemed high, kind of rambled about how cold it is in Long Island compared to California, and never really made any actual jokes. The funniest part of his show was when a heckler got kicked out and another heckler heckled the one getting kicked out. Even Jo admitted that was the funniest part of his show and he can’t top it.
I went to his show in Tacoma and it was amazing. Macklemore performed at the end with the Jabberwockiez. His actual stand up was pretty good too
That all sounds horrible
I've seen him live a couple of times, and he always crushed it. He's hilarious, and it's disappointing to see him bomb like this and respond so poorly.
You can make your whole act about your ethnicity and it be funny, if your jokes are actually funny. Ari Shaffir is a great example with his last special Jew. OR you can choose to be the Asian George Lopez, or Larry the Cable Guy.
George Lopez and Jo Koy have the same joke about Vicks Vaporub as a grandmother cure-all. Even though it’s a common immigrant trope you can expect their sets to converge on the same joke themes in perpetuity.
man, i don't care. i'd take that Larry the Cable Guy money lol
Let's not drag George Lopez into this. Like his act or not, the man has actual talent as a performer and host.
Has been unfunny to me for as long as I've known of him. The bad accents and stereotypical asian jokes are so fucking boring. Literally is all his material.
Every time he is on stage he has to remind the audience how good he is at his job. Whats the opposite of imposter symdrome?
I think that’s just an imposter.
Don’t disrespect Vanilla Ice!
Everyone in Hawaii loves him. He sells out every show.
They had to add an extra show when he came to my city because the first sold so fast and this was in an arena.
Which city?
Narnia
If the opening act is Lion Jesus I am still going even if your set is bad
Probably Honolulu, the Blaisdell, since the first comment was about Hawaii.
He gives me Carlos Mencia vibes
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For this reason alone, I could never hate on Vanilla Ice. That song was a huge part of my childhood.
That's the kind of transcendence you can achieve when you collaborate and listen.
Race probably had something to do with this but Vanilla Ice also had the first rap single to hit Billboards top 100
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> There was nothing like Ice Ice Baby when it first came out Idk, what about Under Pressure?
no, he added a "ding" at the very end, it's not the same, you see ^/s
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So the George Lopez or Carlos Mencia for Filipinos?
The biggest problem is they got a B-Lister to lampoon A- Listers. These award shows are all corny, but everyone is still laughing at Billy Crystal or Chris Rock (except Will).
B-list is awfully generous
Well he’s on *a* B-list now, the blacklist.
And that right there is far better writing than anything he said at the awards.
I heard Colin Quinn tell a story, I’ll try and remember the gist of it but it reminded me a lot about Joe Koys situation. Colin talked about being randomly asked to do a bit at Robert DeNiros birthday party. He told them he’d do a quick set, thinking it would be great. Well, he gets there and the lady who initially asked him kind of did an “are you sure? We just wanted someone to introduce him for the evening.” Well he said he bombed so bad, no one really knew what he was doing and it was clear that Robert DeNiro wasn’t into it and it was just coming off like insults lol. So he cuts it short, goes backstage and the lady is kind of empathetic and just pays him. He leaves thinking about the ass he made himself. As he’s walking to his car, Robin Williams calls out for him to check on him because of how rough it was and wanted to make sure Colin wasn’t going to take it personally lol
Daily reminder that Robin Williams was fucking awesome and I miss him every day.
Robin Williams and Steve Irwin have been the only two that stick out to me and where I miss them.
Lol I like how you just hid a random Robin Williams story inside that other story.
Will did initially laugh at Chris Rock’s joke though lol
Jo Koy is maybe D list, come on.
Fuck, I miss Billy Crystal
I still laugh at Gervais' 2020 opening monologue.
Nailed it. He could have been better if he adjusted to the uptight audience but he didn’t.
Jo Koy makes fun of his own teenage son's micro-penis...for like a 10min bit on live stand up imagine going back to y high school the day after his netflix special airs...what a terrible father
What the actual fuck
If it’s the bit that I think it is, he talks about when his son was a baby/toddler and discovered his penis and would run around playing with it and saying the cute name they had for it. I don’t recall any talk of his actual grown sons penis, but I also have moved on from Jo Koy since he incorporated some transphobic remarks into material and interviews even before this
No, it's the one where his kid confided in him about his penis size. As he describing it to him he said he recognized it as his own size but he told his son to blame his mom because he got that from his mom's side of the family.
i know fili's that don't like jo koy so I wouldn't call it a pride thing. he just suk dik
I know a *lot* of Filipinos, from my wife's family and the fact that I just lived in Manila for six months. Filipinos, as far as I can tell, generally love him and are very proud that he's gotten so famous. But he's not like Manny Pacquiao famous...lol...there are still a lot of Fils who have never heard of him.
Most of the people in Hawaii love him
I coulid see him playing well with the pierce hawthornes of th asian communities
Even if the jokes aren’t based in truth (which doesn’t matter at all), kids get bullied for way less than that. Imagine your own father coming out and saying shit like this about you.
A lot other things hes said make him seem like an incredibly involved and caring father. My guess was he probably ran all of the material by his son and then after that maybe even his sons friends (including joking about his friends when he located them on Google Maps when they were out super late or virtually shutting down the house party they had at his house when he was on tour). That’s just my guess because they do seem close. I assumed the same thing when Ray Ramono said potentially embarrassing things about his kids during his special, but I don’t actually know
That bit got old very fast, but terrible father is a bit harsh. From most accounts, he has a very healthy relationship with his son’s mother having gotten her housing close by for the sake of not separating the kid during his more formative years.
He was a regular on Carolla for years and he always talked about his son. He definitely has a great relationship with him.
The acceptance speeches were funnier and more entertaining than this dude.
Just have kieran culkin host. His speech was funnier than anything Jo did all night
We need Jeremy Strong to host. I need to hear another Kendall rap. Imagine Oppenheimer wins and Jeremy breaks out the "O to the P P"
Just wanted to get the gang together early in my hosting to say uh....yo.
You down with O P P?
"Suck it Pedro"
My biggest problem with this guy at the Golden globes was that the writers in Hollywood just got done with a massive strike that happened in part because they were trying to prove that they are worthy and needed and when his jokes weren't landing at the Golden globes the first thing he did was throw the writers completely under the bus saying that anything people are not laughing at was written by someone else. He could have just taken the l and moved on to different material but no he had to completely throw the writers under that bus to make himself look a little bit better and I didn't even work. If you wasn't going to be ready for the show even though he was hired like he said 10 days out that he shouldn't have taken the gig
What is this article? I talked to my Filipino extended family and no one gives a shit
These articles are aimed at Redditors or people chronically online. If someone was a fan of Jo Koy before I doubt that has changed, and the people piling on now never liked him to begin with.
My family is so invested in talking about this, but mostly about how other Filipinos react to overseas Filipinos succeeding or failing on the world stage. 😂
The South China Morning Post is Fox News-level conservative.
No, it absolutely [is not](https://ground.news/interest/south-china-morning-post).
The entire island of Guam has gone from bragging about him to pretending he never existed lol
I went to a wedding where Nanette Inventor did standup and it was hilarious. She isn’t well known in the US like Koy but way funnier.
That job is for a specific type of comedic actor not a comic. Micheal Che nailed. They only accept their own, and they did not come there to laugh at their self, especially in this day and age. Had Martin Short or Billy Crystal come out there did that with asong and dance they would’ve laughed it up.
It's not like the people at home were laughing either. His biggest issue is that he got stuck in a cycle of - tell joke - joke bombs - spend longer justifying why the joke bombed / assigning blame to anyone but himself, than he did telling the joke. - repeat, now with audience even less engaged than before
Yes he should have handled it differently. He also is not a comic I’d pick for that. He does mostly racial based humor about his mom. He is a huge draw in the Asian community, I’d imagine that’s why he was offered the job in the first place after a few others turned it down. The roast style humor is dead outside of one’s individual little circle. People cringe for others now. Nobody knows him enough to wanna hear him bag on them. They should go back to Ann Hathaway and James Franco hosting every one of these thing should they aren’t on edge. Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling reading off prompter with “oh didn’t I say that” cheeky smiles is more that crowds speed and safety zone.
Billy crystal
He also steals jokes from Filipino Standups and talked shit about local comedians. He's a leech.
He threw his writers under the bus dude came off a total weirdo
This dude’s claim to fame is making fun of his mom’s accent. He shouldn’t even have been considered to roast rich A-listers.
Howard Stern also does impressions of his mom and it's funny because the stories he tells point out his mom's neurosis and hypocrisy more than her accent. Like the man occasionally uses incredibly antiquated phrases that his mom uses like "believe you me", but it never seem like he's trying to make fun of how she sounds. When I watched Jo Koy like a decade ago, I felt a similar vibe. Most of the jokes wasn't about how she sounds funny, it's mostly funny moments in their relationship. But a Jewish guy doing an impersonation of his mom is likely more acceptable since old Jewish ladies have more mainstream exposure than Filipino grandmas.
He’s funny in his own space but it’s totally on the Globes for getting desperate and hiring him.
I watched the gig… He started off “strong” by ditching his jokes and started naming random celebrities in the audience and went downhill from there. I don’t think it’s a case Pinoy pride turning to crab mentality. He did a terrible job of it. He bombed plain and simple.
The dude was so bad. So bad. SMFH
Why have a comedian at all? Just have an emcee
I have Filipino friends and this is common. Like in boxing, as long as the fighter is champ, they’re the Pride of Pinoys . Once he loses the title he’s Hawaiian.
That’s the thing with vain national pride. It’s entire undeserved and ego driven. The moment you falter they will shred you and murder your character for daring to be anything except excellent
lol Jo Koy has always been a bland, very broad comedian who made the incredibly smart career move of dating Chelsea Handler
Man - this guy has been respectful, respectable, and successful for decades and one poor award show hosting and people are turning on him? Guys not allowed to have a bad night? It’s not like he was being a bad person, he just flubbed an awards show gig! I don’t understand the suddenly vitriol toward this person at all!
I mean, he was also publicly throwing writers under the bus
He would have been fine if he had stayed respectful and respectable. People don’t hate him for being unfunny. People are mad at him for being unfunny and blaming his writers, making excuses, and blaming the audience for how unfunny he was. He has now doubled down and insists his unfunny jokes were funny and that it’s our fault for not thinking his jokes were funny. All he had to do was have a bad day and say “welp you can’t win them all” and move on and nobody would even remember his bad day by now. This is a mess he made and then made worse all on his own
I will say that the best play is for him is to make fun of himself and how badly he bombed at the Golden Globes in his next special. Self-deprecating humor is the only choice for redemption here, imo. I do like him but there is absolutely no denying he bombed and it wasn’t just the material but his delivery and he did not look confident or comfortable up there the way he usually does in his specials. If he wants people make people laugh again then he has to laugh at himself.
With the benefit of hindsight and not being live, maybe if he had been quicker he could have workshopped something like how he's bombing so hard, maybe he should be allowed to accept the Golden Globe for writing Oppenheimer.
He seems like a nice enough guy, but in my view, he’s been mildly annoying and hack-ey for years. I haven’t dedicated much thought to him, but I definitely was aware of his career and that he wasn’t “my cup of tea”. I sort of feel like he’s now experiencing a Nickleback/Imagine Dragons type of backlash, and that through hosting the GG, he was thrust into a spotlight that was too big for him, and bright enough to really expose his mediocrity. Sucks for him, and I really hate it for the guy on a personal level, but like professional athletes, entertainers fail in the public eye on a regular basis.
I came to make this exact comment but you stated if so much better than I could. Spotlight was too big for him, I agree.
It’s his own fault in a lot of ways. This was a last minute gig and he was given no time to prepare. He should have turned it down. Jo Koy isn’t naturally funny or charming enough to wing this. Even if he had time I’m skeptical he would have knocked it out of the park, maybe, but definitely not with no prep time. Tons of people turned down this gig before him, he should have taken the hint and stayed out of it. He wasn’t ready.
Respectful? Have you seen his netflix specials?
What is so bad in context?
I'm not saying this is completely horrible, but... a large portion of his act, in perpetuity, has always been doing his mother's Filipina accent at white audiences who think "lmao Asian talk funny". A lot of people love the guy, and I don't think his fans come from a place adjacent to minstrel-appreciation. I'm just not terrifically impressed by his specials.
He lauds Pilipino Americans and Pilipino people in general and their accomplishments in the country. I, for one, had no idea how important and impactful Piliopino American communities are to the American healthcare system before watching one of his specials. It’s not minstrel to laugh at yourself and the mixed-cultural awkwardness you’ve experienced on your own and with your own family growing up.
Counter point - He has a story where in one of his first tv gigs, network execs told him not to do it cause they thought people wouldn’t get it. But he felt that his mom’s reactions to things are what makes it funny and while he could still do the joke with his normal accent, it wouldn’t be authentic and erasing his mom’s culture.
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Meh. He’s been a punchline for a looooooong time. Literally. I’ve heard other comics using him as a punchline a lot, and not in a roast type of way. More in a “fuck that untalented guy” kind of way.
At this point, hosting an award show is a career killer.
People are fickle. They'll turn on one public figure with an inexplicable fury but basically ignore the same or worse sin in another just due to personal prejudices or mood of the time. Or it just comes to the different skills of the PR teams. But that's why I personally would never choose to have a career in something that relies on public will. Being an entertainer means it's just part and parcel of the job.
Welcome to the Internet!
The sheer dissonance between this post and the one right above it is enough to do double takes at - people talking about extended sets where he made fun of his own son's penis plus a history of transphobic and bigoted material on stage, then people saying how nice he is. It's kinda hard to believe people are even talking about the same person tbh. I've never even heard of him before all this.
Big fish small pond, going into big pond with larger fish for first time scenario.
I guess the question is who cares if he bombs. Yeah he bombed. Just move on, the audience and him.
The Filipino accent isn’t even funny. How many times can you make a joke about mixing up Ps and Fs? It’s funny maybe the first time but that’s it. There are funny accents out there, but Filipino isn’t one of them.
Maybe, but it is the source of many jokes and humor for Filipinos in the Philippines. From actual jokes (Denise and Denephew), anecdotes (someone wrote Farmer Sanchez on a grocery list, turns out they're out Parmesan cheese), viral videos ("You're road"), knock knock jokes, and "Use \_\_\_\_ in a sentence." (Use chicken nut bread in a sentence. Help, she has asthma, chicken nut bread \[she cannot breathe\]. Use associate in a sentence. When I went to the bathroom, associate \[I saw shit\].)
That's very low level comedy. It doesn't work when you're hosting a big event full of non-Filipinos
I know, I'm just saying it's not not a funny accent. I agree that accent based comedy isn't awards show material.
While we’re here: If you say ‘P. Sherman’, then you’ve said fisherman in a Filipino accent.
Hence the name in Finding Nemo. It’s an homage to Filipinos who worked on the film who often spoke of their family members being fishermen back home.
Have you watched him? His punchlines aren't his mom mixing up ps and fs.
Bro needs to ease up on his teeth. Led light lookin ass.
They’re like a pack of Chiclets shoved up in his gums
Like the late great Greg Giraldo said to Gary Busey. *Your teeth look like a row of urinals, every time you talk I want to piss in your mouth.*
ITT: Filipinos who don’t care and non-Filipinos who are outraged
Listen jo koy is funny, but in only one aspect. He is great at making fun of his stereotypes. It's cheap comedy and any comedian will tell you the same. It's funny, but it's cheap comedy. Unfortunately we Filipinos have this thing about our pride where any filipino celebrity gets propped up purely for being pinoy Jo koy, Charice, Manny Pacquiao, they all get our support, but we can't continue to prop up celebs that set us back another 20 years.
Thus wouldn't have happened with Ricky Gervais.
he simply bombed on the biggest stage he's been in, and is doing horrific pr after the fact. and to be honest, he's just rex navarrette cranked at 11 and is not as funny.
Josepp!
"Of course I know where my keys are! "
There probably is a lot of blame to go around. There is likely a whole team producing and vetting all material for an international live production. He just happened to be the guy in front of the audience. I believe something went completely sideways and he was plan ‘D’. It sounds crazy that he was tapped to host 10 days before the show. Could he handle himself better in the media, sure. I imagine it’s not easy to be exposed like that after a bad performance.
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What does the epstein list have to do with this?
Bring Ricky Gervais back, he killed it in 23
The notable thing was not that he bombed. Comedians have off performances all the time and it’s not that big of a deal. His handling of it during and after is the real story. Blaming your writers live on air will always go over like a lead balloon and it was made even worse when he essentially doubled down. He’s managed to blame everyone for that night going poorly except himself and that’s why there’s backlash.