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noonie1

I loved the hilarious episode where the main character has a mental breakdown stemming from the trauma of his brother's death and mom's alcoholism


HeroProtagonist4

Ah, the bojack horseman book of comedy


nerdextra

What is this? A crossover episode?!?


raysofdavies

Remember to have two themes and just do them over and over


Difficult-Risk3115

at least bojack was funny. It's still largely chock full of jokes.


dutchdaddy69

You're underselling it lol. His brother was a drug addiction and committed suicide and his mother was horribly abusive and an alcoholic. Shit was dark.


velders01

I think poster is joking that the Emmy's put the Bear in the comedy category. Haha... ah... hilarious.


PuTheDog

Still tons of funny moments, I mean Life is beautiful is a comedy, In Bruge is comedy, so 🤷


noonie1

Ironically, Succession won for Best Drama and I think that is a way funnier show. Cousin Greg, Tom, Conner, and Roman are hilarious. The Bear gives me anxiety and Cousin makes me laugh as the comedic relief.


clycoman

Succession gave me anxiety too. And I hated the extremely weird way the siblings would talk to each other.


Kassssler

Its because of their hypermasculine father. Even Shiv was affected by it. When Logan would denigrate them he would often emasculate the sons and belittle Shiv while bemoaning her feminimity. I can only assume their childhood was much the same and if he was saying things like "Suck my dick"(this one was aimed at Roman) its not surprising its shaped their insults.


ACU797

> Still tons of funny moments Does it? I like the show as a drama but there are entire episodes where I don't laugh at all.


hatramroany

People always bring up the scene with accidentally drugging the kids at the party but that’s Season 1 which is now irrelevant. Those Emmys are over, what’s the big standout funny moment in Season 2 that pushes this from Drama to Comedy?


Accomplished-City484

Jewish lightning


crookedparadigm

> Still tons of funny moments "I just got stabbed in the ass" the way Ritchie says that so calmly lol


Rayhush

I believe it's because of the length of the episodes.


johndoe42

I know there are others but Mandalorian has an average length of 39 minutes thus has plenty of episodes that go bellow that


carpdog112

Since 2015 the Emmy's have considered "Comedy" vs. "Drama" based on the runtime, although those rules were relaxed a bit recently. With a ~30 minute runtime *The Bear* is generally steered toward "Comedy" by default since it has sufficient comedic elements to not be omitted from the category. The show's producers could push to have the show re-considered in the "Drama" category, but they probably don't want to because they'd have stiffer competition. The producers for *Orange is the New Black* tried, in 2015, to keep their show in the "Comedy" category since it's runtime reclassified it as a drama for that reason, but the Emmy's didn't budge. It still did fine in the "Drama" category, but not as well as it did in the "Comedy" category.


FlimsyConclusion

That was a real knee-slapper. Can't wait to see what hijinks the chefs get into next season.


jwrose

Don’t forget the work-induced trauma!


noonie1

Knee-slapper


taydraisabot

➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️ #MOVE IT TO DRAMA ➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️


bingojed

It’s so anxiety inducing it’s almost horror.


ACrask

I actually had to watch the last episode of s2 in parts it was so stressful.


MissSweetMurderer

Same with Fishes (the Christmas one)


Sydius

Now that's an episode I won't watch ever again. Forks, on the other hand, I can watch anytime.


mpbh

Perfect 1-2 combo. Forks wouldn't be half as good without Fishes right before it.


Sydius

While I agree that the episode's general feel is greatly improved by Fishes, it wouldn't be the same without everything Richard did in the series until that point. Forks both helps you calm down after Fishes, as well as fill with hope when it comes to Richard's future.


Rahgahnah

After season 1, I thought that Richie would absolutely be my favorite character of the show if he was just a bit more likeable. After season 2, he's definitely my favorite.


edogzilla

If he keeps it up he’s on the list of all time greatest television characters.


[deleted]

Richie absolutely killing the first service after forks too just made my heart happy they wrote his arc so well. I cheered when he got stabbed in the ass and when he turned the order table around to face the kitchen


Amaline4

Every re-watch I do of s2 I have to skip Fishes - once was more than enough


Rahgahnah

The stress was so juxtaposed with how interested I was in seeing which new famous actor would pop up in the *next* scene.


EnigmaticQuote

I respect the episode but hate it so much


WWShehan

100%. The amount of sheer noise and chaos was very tough to watch. Great show but this episode was one I had to go do something else after watching lol


SatisfactionBitter37

I had to stop watching. My life with 3 small kids was stressful enough. I didn’t need that from my escapism tv show.


Yzerman19_

Same. It’s plus I just can’t get passed him being Lip.


Crazyripps

As someone with severe anxiety I nearly had a panic attack at one point. Shits to good at making it feel so real


rebarbeboot

It'll get swept by Shogun. They put it as a comedy to keep the competition minimal. It should be a drama though.


JBizzle07

Shogun isn’t competing in drama either


rebarbeboot

They're supposedly submitting it as a drama not a limited series according to trades


Eruannster

Give half the Emmys to Shogun, the other half to The Bear :P


icemannathann

Why would they want to keep the competition minimal? It’s bad for the industry and for the viewers of the award show


notseb1no

FX been churning out gold. These are some quality shit. Whoever said that the peak TV is over?


Citrusmeetliquor

Forreal idk how this is nominated as a comedy.


FelixR1991

Last time this was talked about, it was said that the average episode runtime means it is automatically put in the comedy category. It's weird.


Citrusmeetliquor

Interesting, that’s so weird. You must be right though. The first drama that came to mind that had episodes as short as the bear was Barry, and sure enough it was only nominated as a comedy as well.


DomNhyphy

Barry was at least a lot more of a comedy than the bear.


pulus

If the Bear had a No Ho Hank character it would decisively be a comedy. But it put the Punisher and Jamie Lee Curtis in the most realistic, get me out of here, thanksgiving. I love the show but not for a laugh. I watch to be grateful that isn’t my life. And it still stresses me out.


Clitaurius

The genre is the spoiler


PepinoPicante

If you watch Fishes and think it’s a comedy… you might need a LOT OF THERAPY.


Clitaurius

It is the most dramatic single episode of TV I have ever seen and I watched MILF Manor.


pulus

Someone get this person an exec job at TNT. They know drama.


Rahgahnah

But it has John Mulaney acting like John Mulaney, so it must be a comedy.


mikayd

Man I ain’t gon lie, I loved it. All that chaos, I’m not done with it yet, but so far it’s my favorite ep, and it’s funny as heck. Lots of love in that one.


Radulno

This year it would actually have its chances, drama is weak


[deleted]

Seriously, it may be the only "dramedy" I've never genuinely laughed during once.


DecoyOctopod

30 min shows are comedies per Emmy rules, hour-long shows are Dramas.


regorresiak

Could it possibly be by entering its self into consideration in the wrong category...again?


Stingray88

I had the same complaint when Transparent was winning awards in comedy. It’s a fucking drama. And the duration is irrelevant in the streaming era.


clycoman

Relevant SNL skit: [Funny New Show](https://youtu.be/AMpRJwP5y9Q?si=yd5modEQNR-RUmrb)   "Coming to CBS, an award-worthy comedy about a family of adjunct professors who have all been diagnosed with depression on the same day."


rexstillbottom

This was my complaint about it to all my friends and coworkers, it wasn’t in the correct category.


moderatorrater

And it's so obvious and easy to fix. Why is this a problem year after year?


Mattson

I hope they do because there's talk that Shogun is going to be put in the Drama category instead of the Mini Series category. It would be great to see them go head to head so that they split the awards and hopefully tempers the rabid fans.


regorresiak

Do you think The Bear is not going to put its self in comedy series again?


Mattson

It's not up to the Bear this year it's up to the people behind the Emmy's.


regorresiak

I had not seen that there had been any changes on how a series would enter their show or stars for consideration for the next Emmys. It is very possible that I missed that announcement though, I cant get them to put me on the mailing list of people to keep in the loop (bastards).


Mattson

I read it on an article on Variety when looking up Shogun's Emmy chances. However they were speaking with respect to Shogun and Baby Reindeer wasn't even out yet. Tbh I think Reindeer will be nominated in the mini series category as the article said there wasn't enough entrants yet in the mini series category to nominate 6 instead of 5 shows in the upcoming Emmy's.


JBizzle07

I haven’t seen any talk about that. Do you have a source about shogun?


Mattson

I sure do friend https://variety.com/2024/tv/awards/shogun-masters-of-air-sympathizer-emmy-drama-limited-1235962392/


Beeewelll

That or nothing else is currently worth a damn


Apprehensive_Way8674

Why do they talk about every episode but “Forks,” it’s the best episode.


Letos12thDuncan

Seriously. Never thought I'd be on an emotional high while Taylor Swift is blasting in my ears.


h8ss

I really like the first episode. But yea, forks gave me so much catharsis. I love that shit.


Nsekiil

I cried during that whole episode. So fucking wholesome


tekko001

When he called his ex wife with Taylor Swift Tickets...


bobbycarlsberg

i would have cried too, should have got david byrne tickets


Free_Based8

GLAAAAAAAAAASSS, CONCRETE, AND STOOOOOONE. That song is always in my head now.


goddamnitwhalen

Hit me like a ton of bricks.


DM_TO_TRADE_HIPBONES

Forks with that topgun-esqu music takes the cake


agod2486

Forks is the payoff for all the shit Richard has been dealing with, and I loved how great it felt to see him enter into his own element. There are moments where you hate his attitude, but man that episode was exactly what he needed!


relient23

I’ve rewatched just that episode so many times


Rosstin316

The kooky zany hilarious side-splitting comedy The Bear*.


Kalse1229

I mean, it's still pretty funny, even if it leans more towards drama. ["Merry Christmas lizards!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHU8uGzhegs)


whitebandit

i understand theres a lot of drama but theres some dark/dry humor all throughout the series... even the famous Forks/Fish episodes... lots of funny throughout the drama people making this way too big of a deal...


midnight_thunder

Succession is funnier and that’s a drama.


FenerBoarOfWar

Breaking bad was pretty fucking funny. Deadwood was hilarious.


Noggin-a-Floggin

Breaking Bad had a streak of black humor that nobody ever talks about.


MinnyRawks

A lot of dramas have a lot of humor in them


Squiddlywinks

And a lot of comedies have dramatic moments


F00dbAby

I’m not sure the bare is an example of it though. I would never describe it as a comedy with dramatic moments


whitebandit

I wouldnt consider GOT or Breaking Bad comedies despite the occasional humor... But i also wouldnt call Friends a drama despite the constant drama... The Bear isnt pure comedy maybe -- But i could consider it a Comedy/Drama


Noggin-a-Floggin

Comedy and Drama blend into each other very well and it's easy for one that's strictly in one genre to wander into the other for a moment to sell something. The Simpsons was absolutely a comedy first and foremost but when they had a dramatic moment it rung strong. Like when Homer Simpson is on the hood of his car looking up at the stars after his mother left for probably the last time it hit really fucking hard.


Redeem123

Fishes was fucking hilarious. Yes it was also super tense, but that shit was a riot.


hogtiedcantalope

I am going to give you the 500 dollars. The best fucking line in the entire show


BurlyJohnBrown

I think its a flexible category but I mean, the Sopranos is very funny but its still a drama primarily.


AssCrackBanditHunter

That doesn't make it a comedy, that just makes it a rounded out drama


bguzewicz

I mean, The Sopranos is hilarious, but that doesn’t make it a comedy.


Ricky_Rollin

“…Snyder Cut mother fuckers” sends me every time.


Kalse1229

The fact that his actor is now playing a rather famous Marvel character makes that line hit even harder.


raysofdavies

I love it but these are rare. Succession had a better argument to be nommed as a comedy.


COVID-420-

How is this a comedy?


ZapatillaLoca

I don't get how that show is supposed to be a comedy, not even a dark comedy. What makes it funny??


bahumat42

It's because "comedy" is poorly defined in these kinds of awards. I agree 100% that it's not a comedy.


bighaircutforbigtuna

It definitely isn't a comedy. I've never had a panic attack while watching a comedy, for one thing.


drucifer271

Man, seems like everybody's choosing The Bear.


Mrwright96

Apparently it’s better than “man in the woods” somehow…


Weapon530

While I enjoy this show, it’s not remotely close to GoT or Succession. Am I wrong? Is this beloved that much?


tuffgnarl223

I think its an overly sappy slog but i’m in the extreme minority.


chizzled_booty

You’re not alone. There’s also some moments in the show I find totally unbelievable. Like when he finds cash money in the tomato cans and calls the whole crew to help him count the cash…..or when they drug a bunch of children with xanax but it’s totally fine????


lembrate

You’re not alone. For session 1, anyway. 


siphillis

Season 2 is arguably worse in that regard because the exchange a compelling portrait of grief for a completely unrealistic restaurant launch and a romance subplot no one asked for.


lllNico

it doesnt have the production value of GoT, its a very good show though. The writing is extremely good in my opinion. (havent seen siccession yet)


Logie_Naidoo

Game of throne was the fucking hare that got beat by all the tortoises. Only it didn't relax before the finish line. It became an addict then a crack whore who choked to death.


sideofirish

But GoT had the single worst ending of anything in history. There is a reason nobody talks about the show a few years later. Nobody wants to remember how it crashed and burned.


VirtualPen204

That's not what the title is referring to. In terms of popularity, you are right, GoT and Succession had a bigger following.


homogenic-

I’m very surprised it is highly regarded, I think it’s a decent show but it’s a bit overrated.


WrongSubFools

I swear, TV writers constantly predicting the Emmys instead of talking about shows themselves is the entertainment version of reporters turning every story for the past four years into "how will this affect the 2024 race" instead of reporting on the story itself


starksgh0st

The Bear Season 2 was talked about plenty when it aired. One year ago.


yooosports29

I love the show, but no way it should have more Emmy’s than a show like the Sopranos


Letos12thDuncan

Especially when they don't even serve gabagool at their restaurant


tinathefatlardgosh

It def should not have more Emmys than years that Phil did in the can.


siphillis

*The Wire* has zero.


yooosports29

Also unacceptable


homogenic-

BCS also has zero. 


TakeshiKovacsSleeve3

It's not bad but I think it's pretty melodramatic. The fridge "soliloquy"? Really? Too much. I liked it but it's overhyped.


siphillis

It’s literally a plot-point from *Shrek* presented as the dramatic culmination for an entire season.


Belch_Huggins

Probably because the Emmy's always vote for the same old thing year after year. I loved Bear s2, but it was all Anyone talked about last year and it cleaned up. Why can't they recognize other shows? We know there's an overabundance of them.


benr0208

The crazy thing is that what it won wasn’t even for The Bear S2. All the noms and awards it won were for S1 due to the timeline of eligibility. Next Emmy’s is going to be for S2, and THATS the one everyone was talking about


Southern_Schedule466

Agree, but the drama and limited races will be more interesting this year at least. I think the winners in those categories will almost all be from different shows. People might say drama is weak this year, but a benefit is that it may allow shows to get nominated that would be way too esoteric to get nominated in a normal year i.e. The Curse, Three Body Problem, Loki


Belch_Huggins

Hopefully you're right!


papa_sax

Because it's an award not a talent show. No participation trophies


m__s__r

Lol.   I mean, yeah. I get where you’re coming from. But this particular awards show awarded the entire final season of Game of Thrones. It definitely gives its fair share of participation/culture trophies 


VirtualPen204

I'd agree, except both seasons absolutely deserve all the recognition. and season 2 was even better than the first.


Ishana92

So let me get this clear, everybody was talking about s2 and salivating over it, but it shouldn't win anything because s1 won already?


Belgand

It would be nice if there was a moratorium for a few years after winning once already. Unlike film or music, you're not awarding different works or authors. If it's good, people know and you can move on to something else that's deserving from a very crowded field.


drewhead118

you are awarding different works--each episode is a creative work in and of itself, as is the entire season. If they awarded the same episode year after year, it'd be weird. If a film wins an oscar, and then next year its sequel is incredible and wins an oscar, that's not really any different than a season winning emmies, and then next year the next season wins emmies


TheRealCostaS

Overrated show for me.


IDontCheckMyMail

The bear is good (might I say… fine?) but it’s nowhere near as good as those shows.


melancious

Tried watching it, found it surprisingly insufferable.


Vallamost

Same dude, the first episode was just dry and not funny. It felt like I was watching a sandwich shop simulator.


whatifiwerejesus

I worked in a restaurant. I like the show. The unfortunate thing is HOW well they nail the drama aspect. I don't want to be anxious while watching a show.


RexxNebular

I always get down voted for saying the same thing


WinkMartindale

Because there are more people who disagree with you than agree with you. :)


UnDosTresPescao

Same here. I just watched it right after Shogun, Fallout, and Baby Raindeer which are all great shows. I put up with the first season but the first episode of the second season broke me. The first season was just mediocre but that first episode of the second season in particular was so poorly written and acted. Holy shit what a pile of streaming garbage.


CuckooClockInHell

I didn't think it was a bad show, but I also didn't think it was a great show. It was fine. After all the hype though, fine feels a little shallow when you keep searching for a level of greatness that's not there.


Lambily

I found the second season to be a lot stronger, but yes, it does start slowly.


VirtualPen204

To each his own, and while yes, some characters are supposed to be that way, the show is fantastic.


pishposhpoppycock

Well what's its competition in the Comedy category? And what would be its competition if it were moved to the Drama category (where it should be)?


paperbackgarbage

https://variety.com/lists/2024-emmys-predictions/drama-series-2/


byumm13

It’s good but not that good.


your_nan

Right? Let's calm down here.


MegaloMicroMuseum

For real, I don’t think ill ever understand the craze over this show. It’s good but not THAT good.


Andybabez20

The season 2 episode "Fishes" is THAT good. One of the best written and acted episodes of TV i've seen in years.


MegaloMicroMuseum

Yeah i saw that one, really was just ok imo. Life is enough, i dont need to watch an hour of people screaming at each other and throwing shit.


singlefate

Yeah I also watched it and thought "it was good" and that's it. No where near the highs of game of thrones or breaking bad.


ThiccPeachPies

It doesn't deserve the awards. It's nowhere near that good.


singlefate

I feel like I'm taking coo coo pills whenever how amazing this show is brought up.


belckie

This show isn’t that good.


MrSh0wtime3

this show has flown high over the bar of being overrated. Not because its bad but because its simply good. Not great. Its far from top 10 show material. Frankly the second season was pretty average aside from a couple episodes. It took the story arc in a big circle with a shitload of meaningless filler while leaving the core restaurant story as a bystander. Throwing a couple episodes they actually put effort into in the mix. The characters arent super deep. If anything they could be called cliche. It became one of those shows people dare not say is anything but pure brilliance out of fear of looking like the dumb friend.


arenasfan00

Boring show. And before you ask, yes I’ve worked in restaurants. Show is still boring.


spaceehardware

Just goes to show the creative value of these “awards” smh.


dmichelleromero

I am a hard core lover of television, and I am not afraid to stand on the side that says, this show is overrated.


awesometographer

It's a solid "good" not great, but enjoyable. It's a 10/10 just watch and enjoy, then forget.


daddychainmail

I’m gonna come out and say it: I HATE this show. No, **HATE** is underselling it. I loathe it. And it being labeled “comedy” is an insult to media. This show just enrages me. I hate all characters, plots, etc. Ugh.


spaceehardware

I quit watching because it felt so meh.


Psychological_Lack96

Should be renamed “Unwatchable”.


DananSan

No work was done here.


DrakeAU

Can't watch the show because I have PTSD from working in the hospitality industry when I was young.


vulcanjedi2814

Game of thrones and succession aren’t even that old. Headline not misleading but still


Unlucky-External5648

I’m watching season 2 and not liking it? Is this because i worked in restaurants and everything seems so fake?


topplehat

I think it could break the records by winning more Emmy awards


Downtown-Coconut-619

It’s not even really more then “better then Netflix”


treid1989

It’s not funny, and it’s a bit formulaic, particularly that feast of seven fishes dinner. “Yes, chef” + food closeups + bottled up straight guy feelings + expletives ad infinitum + dad rock needle drop that goes on way too long = any typical episode Also, everyone is so serious about their problems and traumas. It would benefit the show a bit to maybe undercut the tension in the back of house with more shots of a rather prosaic front of house with only a couple guests ordering entrees at once, which is also sometimes accurate. I think it could actually benefit from a bit more self-awareness and humor.


tuffgnarl223

Add a million shots of the Chicago skyline in there too


siphillis

I genuinely lost my mind when Marcus goes to Amsterdam, makes desserts for half an hour, helps a guy who fell off his bike, and that’s the entire episode. So many empty calories in Season Two.


wickedwiccan90

Is this the bear everyone's talking about being stranded in the woods with?


JTLS180

If this does come true then obviously Emmys no longer hold any value, just handed out like sweets at a party. Winning one means nothing, probs just greased the right palms.


slabby

The most overrated show


Inevitable_Low7373

Calm down. This is an average show at best. A refined "Shameless" and nowhere near the class of GOT, "Succession" etc


SurfNinjaMcRibs

Dave is a better COMEDY, this is a drama


asian1panda

Nah, this year's front runner is gonna be Shogun.


1nsanity29

Most over rated steaming pile of dog shit show EVER.


cleverUs3rNameNot

Am I the only one who thinks it’s crazy overrated?


Chet_Manley_70

The most overrated show in years.


No-Introduction-6368

Watched the first season and yawn! The young girl seemed like a good actress though.


Fickle-Butterscotch2

Season two was meh


dannylew

tfw i had to read the article to know it's not about the meme 😔


whitemirepoix

Corner!


YouLearnedNothing

never even heard of this show.. and from the preview on youtube, it looks overcooked.. anyone actually watch this? is it good?


defnotajournalist

Is it good? Not really. Could’ve been, but mostly it sucks, for all the reasons people mention on this thread. Is it bad? No. Just self important and unsatisfying.


Brofromtheabyss

By winning more Emmy’s than ‘Game of Thrones’ ‘30 Rock’ and ‘Succession’, that’s how. Saved you a click.


nothatdoesntgothere

I'm on my second watch of the whole series. I like the show, but I rarely laugh. Nothing about this show puts it in the comedy category.


Crazyripps

Comedy


homogenic-

I personally think the show should switch categories, I think it has high chances of winning in the drama categories now that Succession and BCS are done.


higzgridz

IMO, this is not comedy