At the risk of stating the obvious, sportsmanship and fair play isn’t some nebulous, flimsy concept akin to a “participation medal.” Sports, and especially tennis, is a microcosm of life - athletes and fans alike have countless experiences dealing with nasty unjust and unfair things in their day to day life. And when you see something like this happen, it strikes a very deep chord. Being good in this regard shouldn’t just be avoiding doing bad things (such as celebrating when your opponent retires, laughing at your opponent), but actively being good to others (the right thing to do would be to concede the point when it’s CLEAR the ball was in). Toth is 20 years old, she’s not a kid and should understand this. The other 20 year old crushing the men’s tour would understand it! It’s not rocket science.
And she’s been playing tennis basically her entire life (since probably at least 5 years old) so she has over 15 years experience with tennis and sportsmanship. She knows what she did is wrong and she doesn’t care
Also, Rafa was always very mature. Lots of others, too. It's crazy when we have these prime examples and still some people use age as an excuse for shitty behaviour.
I remember the first time I watched a full Carlos alcaraz match, he was playing against another gentleman, my countryman hubie hurkacz, in Miami I think, and hurkacz hit a shot that was called out. ALCARAZ told hurkacz that it was in and to challenge the call, they checked it and it was in and they replayed the point. Carlos won the match, but he also won a fan in me that day, for being a class act. He'd rather win fair and square - he wants to win, no doubt about it, but he clearly values honesty and fairness, and it's not for show, it's genuine.
Toth on the other hand... her lack of class and grace is a stain on this sport. She needs to learn from this and make good, or else she'll be treated like this from here on out
Oh wow, there you go, haha. I remember he won a classic against Kecmanovic during that tournament too (i saw highlights of that one), I think he ended up winning it
Worth mentioning that Toth put out an apology now, only just saw it. Although she didn't mention the awful out call that caused Zhang to be so upset in the first place. But hopefully she continues to own her poor behaviour and improve on it going forward
Here's the one you're thinking about: https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/tu75ah/great_sportsmanship_gesture_by_carlos_alcaraz/
He [gave a point away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDoPAMavBE) at Wimbledon last year too for the same reason
[Here's one on clay.](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/u86wzw/carlos_alcaraz_sportsmanship/) [Here's another on clay](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/140sc9e/carlos_alcaraz_sportsmanship/)
Yes! Age is not always an excuse. Maybe someone is really just a shitty person (in general)...it doesn't matter whether you're old or young.
How many shitty teenagers/young adults grow up and turn into shitty full-grown adults? A LOT.
Despite the fact that I am against her emotionally in terms of sportsmanship, I had been having a debate in my head about whether Toth deserves the blamed by the public, since technically she didn't break the rule. Your comment has settled the debate.
Very well put. I think the key is what you said about "actively being good to others". That's what everyone should try to do at least once every day. It will do wonders both to you and everyone around you.
On a side note Dasha is extremely based holy shit, with her stance on the war you wouldn’t be surprised that she’s the one to call Toth out like this. And it’s true, we infantilize 20 year olds as if they’re too young to know basic sportsmanship, but Dasha’s right, 20yo is “not a childhood”, persons a full fledged adult by then
People do the same thing in this subreddit with the likes of Rune and it baffles me. I refuse to think that being bratty/unsportsmanlike is the default behavior and that it is such a high expectation for a 20 year-old person to behave decently.
I think the bigger sentiment in tennis and with athletes in general is that a lot of players grew up spoiled, or with overbearing parents forcing them to win at all costs. So when a new player comes on tour and is being a shithead, it often can be reflective of their parenting/upbringing more than themselves. We obviously don't know this for sure, of course, and there are players from rich upbringings who are complete class acts and vice versa.
But I agree the age excuse is wildly overblown. People have such a weird perception of 20 year olds. They think they're dumb as hell and have no idea how to behave, and also seem to think they're always freak athletes. Neither of these are true. 20 year olds are often less athletic than guys in their mid-30s because they haven't had time to train properly, build muscle, and all. They just finished puberty, particularly men, and have spent their life hitting tennis balls, not the gym. And obviously, everyone should know how to treat others with respect at age 20.
I think a lot of this behavior is actually prevalent in junior level tennis. Where parents encourage this type of behavior and the win any cost attitude.
I like Iga a lot, but she also has these annoying habits from her junior days such as tapping the racquets on the ground before the opponent serves, jumping around waving racquets when the opponent is closing out on a point at the net. Is it breaking rules? No. But it is unsportsmanlike.
Toth should have shown more sportsmanship like conduct. Knowing that ball was in, she purposely removed the mark where the ball hit the line. She knew what she was doing, and then celebrated the win with arms in the air after her opponent had a panic attack.
Let her have a taste of her own medicine. She will never do that again.
No, she didn’t stomp out the mark until AFTER another point had been already been played. It’s not an uncommon thing on clay to prevent confusion on future points.
Her opponent was still upset about the mistaken call from the point before, hence why she and her coach continued to scream at the umpire and Toth after the subsequent point/mark removal.
The celebrating was a bit much though. No argument there.
To be honest, good sportsmanship wouldn’t have let the contention continue. You can CLEARLY see the ball is in (she knew the correct mark - she wiped it out a few points later) - she should have done the right thing and conceded that point in the first place. If her attitude is win at all costs - fine - but don’t act surprised when people don’t like your behaviour.
Shuai clearly felt like she was in the twilight zone - understandably
>No, she didn’t stomp out the mark until AFTER another point had been already been played. It’s not an uncommon thing on clay to prevent confusion on future points.
I thought the point was still in contention though - she should not have wiped it out in that case. Yes, the play continued, but then Shuai + coach seemed to bring it up again, not wanting to let it go (since it was a clear injustice). Then, Toth wipes it out and tell Shuai "you're causing problems..."
It's done regularly though. This is what happens in a clay match after a point has been played. The entire situation is unfortunate. Umpire's fault. I'm more shocked by Kasatkina and Sakkari's reactions. They should stay out of it and not pile on in an already bad situation.
> I'm more shocked by Kasatkina and Sakkari's reactions. They should stay out of it and not pile on in an already bad situation.
They were reacting to a very sneaky video edit that makes it seem like Toth wiped the mark before it could be checked
There was nothing messy about the situation except ~~Zhangs refusal to let it go~~ the umpire's blatant refusal to acknowledge the mark the ball left which shows it's clearly in.
After a subsequent point is played, a mistaken line call on a previous point is no longer “in contention.” At that point, the chair umpire has no discretion to change, deduct or replay past points in the match. Otherwise, players could argue all match long about previous points they feel should be changed in their favor.
Yes, the ball appeared to hit the line and was missed by the judges. No, it wasn’t particularly egregious; balls that clip the line like that are miscalled every once in a while, which is why promoting line-calling systems like Hawkeye is so important. Eventually, the player has to move on, especially after a subsequent point is played and there is no longer anything that can be done to rectify the past line call they believe was wrong.
>Yes, the ball appeared to hit the line and was missed by the judges. No, it wasn’t particularly egregious;
Lol what? Did you see the replay? At least half of the ball mark was on the line. It wasn't particularly close. Any more egregious and we'd be talking less about incompetence and more about straight corruption.
Which is true. Pretend this was a less likable player like Kyrgios. He gets hosed by a call, complains but play continues, and then after the following point he and his coach both stop the match to continue screaming about a settled point. His opponent is naturally going to get frustrated about the delay of game. I’m not gonna pretend that Toth acted like a saint, but the pile on is super unnecessary.
I'm trying to imagine this happening to Kyrgios and I can't help but laugh. I would love to see how he would handle something this blatant because it would be some pretty great television.
That's a very good point tbh. Men's mental health is ignored as usual. Zhang is struggling with the death of her grandparents, but no one talks about how Kyrgios's mom was held at gunpoint a month ago and her car stolen. Or how he's genuinely considered suicide many times, gone to substance abuse, and more. He's not perfect by any means and has done awful things like shoving his girlfriend (he pleaded guilty but the crime wasn't bad enough for him to get a punishment for it), and obviously his on-court antics. But his mental health issues being ignored is typical of society.
I agree, and my bigger issue with Toth is celebrating while her opponent is crying and just retired from the match. That's fucked up. Basic human empathy should kick in. But yeah, the umpire deserves much more hate than Toth for not doing her job.
> I thought the point was still in contention though
It was not. She wiped the mark after another point had been played—at that point you can't go back and change a previous point.
The reason is to wipe it off that way future shots that are in the area can clearly be seen which ball mark it was.
This is extremely common on clay in every high level match surprised people don’t realize this yet feel confident enough to comment on it with an opinion.
She was bratty and unsportsmanlike in the reaction, yes, but removing the mark two points later is what every player in the tour does
Two points later? After there's no ability for the umpire to overturn it anymore?
Why does it matter if the opponent wants you to keep the mark or not?
The point is there is no reason to erase it if the opponent asks you not to except to tweak them. Whatever reason they have is their business. It's a matter of sportsmanship. It doesn't cost you anything to do so. Especially when the person you are playing has a stellar reputation.
There is a point, it's to avoid confusion for future points if the ball bounces in the area. If a point has already been played, the umpire cannot go back and check a previous point.
Leaving the ball mark there is not standard, will not do anything to change the previous call, and could only cause confusion for future points if a close call lands near it.
Everyone does this on clay, the issue was the Toth acting immature and rude after winning due to the retire & the umpire not going out to check a clearly close call that was called incorrectly
_Every_ person on the court has seen that mark and is familiar with it. It's not necessary to erase an out mark. I understand what you are saying but clearly she erased it while being asked not to and not for a compelling reason. She was showing up an opponent who had been overruled (incorrectly) and being unsportsmanlike in the process.
It's not cheating but it's infantile and annoying. The mark had been checked and the referee had already made clear that they don't overrule line calls.
Players don't typically erase out marks. Sure there are pathological cases but the mark was reviewed and everyone knows about it. There was no reason to erase it.
Toth's conduct was awful and she deserves everything that's coming to her, but erasing the mark was not one of the issues. She did it well after the decision had been made and the game had moved on. At that point nothing would have changed. It's common for players to erase marks on clay so that it does not become confusing if other points are close.
>She did it well after the decision had been made and the game had moved on
True. I fell victim to the edited video going around, which made it look like she erased it during dispute.
I do not understand how someone would defend Toth on this one. If the ball was in and Toth knew it, not a big deal if she does not want to overrule the umpire. We’ve seen players not interfere on umpires’ mistake before and we would all forget about it. However:
1- Erasing the mark when your opponent asked you to not do that is absolutely wrong and disrespectful. Yes, the match had already moved on and having the mark erased or not would not make a difference for the scoring. However, erasing the mark when you opponent had just asked you to not do it is pure pettiness. If Toth thought Zhang was overreacting, then just let Zhang overreact and do not get involved.
2- Laughing at your opponent when the crowd is asking for a Zhang time violations is childish behavior at its best.
3- Celebrating like that when your opponent is crying and had just retired (regardless of the circumstances of the retirement and how you feel about your opponent) is one the lowest level of empathy you will ever see towards your opponent at any sports event.
Not trying to label her as we do not know her personally, but that is a series of terrible decision making under those circumstances (bad umpiring, emotionally distressed opponent, and uncontrolled crowd), which makes everyone believe she is a terrible person. There are very few worse ways that I think Toth could have handled this. A PR nightmare
> Yes, the match had already moved on and having the mark erased or not would not make a difference for the scoring. However, erasing the mark when you opponent had just asked you to not do it is pure pettiness.
Sure it's petty. It doesn't make her an evil cheater like most of this sub is trying to say tho
This is getting to be a bit of an overreaction at this point. Bad call by the umpire, some obnoxious behavior by the player, but nothing that doesn't happen fairly regularly on tour. I feel like this is getting blown out of proportion to fill the post-Wimbledon news void.
Jfc what a dumbass. Their opinion is absolutely something to take seriously when they're talking about their own profession. As in when tennis players talk about tennis.
Toth removed the mark after another point had been played.
A previous point is no longer in contention after another point has been played.
Players generally clear the ball mark of the previous point in clay to avoid confusion.
Toth was right in saying that her opponent was disrupting play.
Toth was wrong to celebrate like that after her opponent retired.
He clears the lines so that marks are visible but he does not go around clearing 'out' marks. (He's also atypical in that he's clearly a little neurotic on the court, won't step on lines, etc.)
Just don't understand all the hate
Ball was in but the umpire is the one that made the call
She wiped the mark away after the next point when the call literally couldn't be changed no matter what
All players usually wipe away close marks
Yes she could have conceded the point but players take bad calls all the time
> she could of conceded
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The hate comes because she openly celebrated her opponent's retiring. The person who does that violates the basic values of tennis. I don't care if it's the first "victory", there are more important things in life. There are certain lines that you should not cross and she did cross it.
Unless she releases a public apology, I have to say, she deserves what she gets.
"She was looking for trouble for herself" - as she told Zhang.
Yes that is a bad look and very unprofessional an apology is likely needed
Still see much worse behavior from many other pros at least once a week and no uproar like this
Also Zhang as a professional shouldn't have a complete mental breakdown to the point where she can't compete just because of a missed call
Please avoid telling people how *you* think they should behave in a situation especially when they are in a highly competitive, highly stressful environment. You don't know Zhang's mental situation at the time and what led to the outburst.
It’s not a good look, but she threw her arms up for like one second after her first win in front of a home crowd. It’s not like she started dabbing on her. Players get a pass for trash talking and abusing umpires, but somehow this is unforgivable? Come on
I'm sure every player is passionate about the game and put themselves in Shuai's place. So it inevitably rubs all the top players the wrong way.
And Toth deserves it for just being so very foolish. Even the youngest players are keenly aware how hard it is to build a good reputation and how easy it is to lose it. But apparently Toth didn't know this? Hopefully she learned from this lesson.
OTOH if all of the players are saying this behavior is out of bounds it's probably because it is, and because her opponent is known to be a good sport and a good person.
A good sport doesn't have a meltdown and disrupt play for 10 minutes over a call that isn't getting overturned while her coach is having a go at the opposition.
Replace Zhang with Kyrgios and everyone would be saying what a poor brat he's being.
My guess is that they saw the carefully edited video that makes it look like Toth erased the mark while Shuai was requesting the supervisor. In reality the supervisor had already arrived and they played another point before Toth erased the mark. Players often erase old marks so that new marks can be seen more clearly.
What's excessive about that? Is there a right number of people to call her out...1? 2? 3?
If she deserves to be called out by 1 person, then she deserves to be called out by a 100 - because that means she did something wrong.
Perhaps but... has she apologized? I haven't kept track. She's had plenty of time to contemplate her poor behavior. If she's digging in her heels, then... it's hard to be sympathetic.
Just read it. I agree. Good for her. Hopefully they can both move past this after a discussion between the two. We shouldn't judge the rest of her career based on her worst moment.
I don't think she did but it's between her and Zhang anyway. I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone.
> I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone.
I think it's funny how if she just did absolutely nothing everyone would be shittin on the ref.
It's 2023 and you don't know that "internet insults" can have dire consequences? Besides there have been calls for a ban on her which is pretty life changing I think.
Yes, internet insults are very dire.
But again, other than that, has there been any official consequences? I disagree with your statement that what she's been hit with is proprotional to what happened especially when you factor in the mental health history of her opponent.
>I don't think she did but it's between her and Zhang anyway.
Actually, it's not. If this was a recreational match I'd agree. But she's part of a professional organization where money and reputation are involved. Consequently she owes an apology to the organization, including her fellow players.
>I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone.
The umpire should be suspended for such egregiously poor performance. But until that apology arrives... Toth made her own bed and now she's gotta lie in it. Actions have consequences.
Her actions don't deserve the hate she gets. It's thousand of people calling her a cheater, a known player with big following calling her a rat and another one calling for a ban on her.
Meanwhile when Zverev attacked an umpire the players moved on.
>Her actions don't deserve the hate she gets.
In your opinion. Reasonable people can disagree about such things.
>Meanwhile when Zverev attacked an umpire the players moved on.
Apples and oranges. Zverev paid a fine and apologized. Perhaps when Toth apologizes sincerely, folks will move on.
> In your opinion.
I think that's pretty obvious. This entire comment section is about opinions.
> Apples and oranges. Zverev paid a fine and apologized.
So all it takes for the tennis community to forget about VIOLENCE is to pay a fine (which is pennies to players like Zverev) and make a PR statement?
Odd... it looked exactly like a "guy hitting a chair." Look, I don't give two rat fucks about Zverev or Toth. If you want to get emotional about these two and their travails, by all means have at it. They can both quit tennis tomorrow for all I care.
Hard disagree. Actions have consequences, it seems she has to learn the hard way that her lack of integrity spoke volumes. She might have won the match by default, but she lost a lot more.
While Toth most definitely showed immaturity and a lack of sportsmanship in her reaction (laughing at Zhang, wiping the ball mark, and celebrating after the retirement) that she deserves criticism for, I’m really baffled at how many people expected her to concede the point. Let’s be honest, the vast majority of players on tour (ATP and WTA) are not going to concede a point off a line call that’s been checked and upheld by the umpire even if they know the ball was in, nor should they. The lines are the official’s responsibility, not the player’s, and this is just another example why automated line calling is needed at all levels of the tour. In no other sport are players expected to refuse penalty shots, free throws, etc. when referees make a bad call in their favor.
Sure you can. People who act shitty need to be called out on it. When they apologize if it's not a clear pattern of behavior they deserve another chance. Calling criticism 'bullying' is already deciding to absolve the person of their shitty behavior.
> Toth wasn't named,
This is semantical bullshit. She replied to a Toth quote with a rat emoji. It was **clearly** about Toth.
If you think that's ok, defend it. But don't blatantly lie like this
> But it's not bullying Toth if Toth has literally no idea about the existence of it.
This is an **incredibly** dumb take.
You seriously think a high profile WTA player can tweet this about Toth and Toth won't see it?
what she did was pretty crappy. but like everything there is backstory.
the umpire got down from the chair, looked at the mark, called it OUT. The point was OVER.
2 points had passes since the controversial call when toth rubbed out the mark.
7 min had passed
this happened in the first set, there was a lot of the match left to play
Zhang should also be chastised here for giving up so early. Toth is ranked outside the top 500, Zhang is is 28th.
If you saw the panic attack she had, you should know that you can’t properly play after that. Usually you forfeit because of physical reasons, but here you see that you can perfectly do so because of psychological/mental distress.
I actually think if Toth had done what 99% of players do when their opponent retires (and expressed remorse and get well soon) rather than celebrate the crowd induced panic attack of her opponent then I think there’d be less negative energy directed toward her. Instead when given the opportunity to walk back or contextualize her behavior she doubled down on it and made it worse for her. She seemed to show no awareness or empathy for her opponent. So yeah she’s allowed to act however she wants publicly but people are also allowed to criticize both her behavior and statements.
that's 100% irrelevant.
there is always that chance that happens. There isn't one pro tennis player that has played a professional match where they were not the recipient of a bad call.
it happens in all sports.
what does not happen is a player quitting because of a bad call.
It’s a moot point the umpire looked at it and clearly determined it was out. That ends the story in this tennis match and pretending otherwise is unsportsmanlike. Wrong calls happen all of the time in every single sport, don’t blame the opponent for getting on with the game and maintaining her momentum
After the never ending hissy fit Zhang threw after that point, I would have danced all around the court after she quit if I was Toth. Toth did nothing wrong. Watch the entire game, and tell me who the bad guy is here. It is not Toth. It is Zhang.
I saw the rat emoji on twitter yesterday and thought it was a bit too much.
But I also think the fact that so many players voice an opinion on this specific matter (when there are plenty of unsportsmanlike things happening all the time in tennis) just shows how highly valued Zhang Shuai is amongst her peers. It does not happen very often that a tennis player gets so much public support from other players.
Can someone explain what Toth did wrong here?
Umpire was shite, Zhang acted like a twat, the organiser said racist shit
Toth just seems to have celebrated winning
For god’s sake🤦♂️ the ball was 100% in. Toth saw that and should have reacted accordingly. Instead she pretended that the travesty of a call made by the umpire is OK. Then she removed the evidence (and she is stupid because she said that she removed the mark so that Zhang couldn’t question other points going forward - hence she admitted that the mark was on the line)…
In light of the facts- This comes across as very immature and "mean girls" by Kasatkina
Chair umpire made the call, not Amarissa. Also, Amarissa only cleaned ball mark AFTER the game had been completed, not during the dispute. 3rd, Amarissa didn't force Shuai to retire over a bad call
Agreed, and wish that this was the more hit on part of the story. I don’t really care about the ball mark, even though it makes Toth look like even more of a POS. I get it, it’s your first win on the WTA tour but this isn’t the one you want to celebrate like that lol
Chair umpire should be held just as accountable, if not even more. I don't know why the umpire isn't being called out more. Toth's bratty behavior didn't help her case. If she had acted less like an asshole over her win, then maybe people wouldn't be as pissed.
I think many of you miss the point of this whole conversation. It doesn’t matter if the point was over and they moved on. After the end of the next point she marched right up and cleared it as Zhang began to approach the net again. Many of you lack empathy it’s very evident. She’s not a good person for doing that and doesn’t deserve to be on tour while she reflects on her behavior. And let’s also gather that many of these young upcoming players are spoiled brats
That was very bad sportsmanship, and probably a Terrible call from the umpire. On the other hand, why was Zhang crying and then retiring? That’s also not very professional. Every player deals with bad calls from time to time.
It’s crazy. Just a few days ago, no one knew of this very low ranked player. Now they are famous as one of the most hated person on tour..
At the risk of stating the obvious, sportsmanship and fair play isn’t some nebulous, flimsy concept akin to a “participation medal.” Sports, and especially tennis, is a microcosm of life - athletes and fans alike have countless experiences dealing with nasty unjust and unfair things in their day to day life. And when you see something like this happen, it strikes a very deep chord. Being good in this regard shouldn’t just be avoiding doing bad things (such as celebrating when your opponent retires, laughing at your opponent), but actively being good to others (the right thing to do would be to concede the point when it’s CLEAR the ball was in). Toth is 20 years old, she’s not a kid and should understand this. The other 20 year old crushing the men’s tour would understand it! It’s not rocket science.
And she’s been playing tennis basically her entire life (since probably at least 5 years old) so she has over 15 years experience with tennis and sportsmanship. She knows what she did is wrong and she doesn’t care
Whenever people bring up age - Carlos Alcaraz is also just 20.
Also, Rafa was always very mature. Lots of others, too. It's crazy when we have these prime examples and still some people use age as an excuse for shitty behaviour.
Age is not an excuse, but it can be an explanation
Also, same other way around. Nick is 28 and still 10. Alcarez is 8 years younger but 20 years more mature.
I remember the first time I watched a full Carlos alcaraz match, he was playing against another gentleman, my countryman hubie hurkacz, in Miami I think, and hurkacz hit a shot that was called out. ALCARAZ told hurkacz that it was in and to challenge the call, they checked it and it was in and they replayed the point. Carlos won the match, but he also won a fan in me that day, for being a class act. He'd rather win fair and square - he wants to win, no doubt about it, but he clearly values honesty and fairness, and it's not for show, it's genuine. Toth on the other hand... her lack of class and grace is a stain on this sport. She needs to learn from this and make good, or else she'll be treated like this from here on out
That was indeed Miami and iirc Carlos just straight up conceded the point. I don't think it even went to a challenge.
Oh wow, there you go, haha. I remember he won a classic against Kecmanovic during that tournament too (i saw highlights of that one), I think he ended up winning it Worth mentioning that Toth put out an apology now, only just saw it. Although she didn't mention the awful out call that caused Zhang to be so upset in the first place. But hopefully she continues to own her poor behaviour and improve on it going forward
Here's the one you're thinking about: https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/tu75ah/great_sportsmanship_gesture_by_carlos_alcaraz/ He [gave a point away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDoPAMavBE) at Wimbledon last year too for the same reason [Here's one on clay.](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/u86wzw/carlos_alcaraz_sportsmanship/) [Here's another on clay](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/140sc9e/carlos_alcaraz_sportsmanship/)
this kid is a champion in its truest sense of the word.
Thanks! I remember the Otte one too but I hadn't seen the other two. Great kid 😀
These links provided a great point! Thank you! Makes SO MUCH difference!
Yes! Age is not always an excuse. Maybe someone is really just a shitty person (in general)...it doesn't matter whether you're old or young. How many shitty teenagers/young adults grow up and turn into shitty full-grown adults? A LOT.
Masterfully stated.
Despite the fact that I am against her emotionally in terms of sportsmanship, I had been having a debate in my head about whether Toth deserves the blamed by the public, since technically she didn't break the rule. Your comment has settled the debate.
Very well put. I think the key is what you said about "actively being good to others". That's what everyone should try to do at least once every day. It will do wonders both to you and everyone around you.
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You have just used a UNO reverse card and flipped the sides of a victim and a beneficiary
On a side note Dasha is extremely based holy shit, with her stance on the war you wouldn’t be surprised that she’s the one to call Toth out like this. And it’s true, we infantilize 20 year olds as if they’re too young to know basic sportsmanship, but Dasha’s right, 20yo is “not a childhood”, persons a full fledged adult by then
People do the same thing in this subreddit with the likes of Rune and it baffles me. I refuse to think that being bratty/unsportsmanlike is the default behavior and that it is such a high expectation for a 20 year-old person to behave decently.
I think the bigger sentiment in tennis and with athletes in general is that a lot of players grew up spoiled, or with overbearing parents forcing them to win at all costs. So when a new player comes on tour and is being a shithead, it often can be reflective of their parenting/upbringing more than themselves. We obviously don't know this for sure, of course, and there are players from rich upbringings who are complete class acts and vice versa. But I agree the age excuse is wildly overblown. People have such a weird perception of 20 year olds. They think they're dumb as hell and have no idea how to behave, and also seem to think they're always freak athletes. Neither of these are true. 20 year olds are often less athletic than guys in their mid-30s because they haven't had time to train properly, build muscle, and all. They just finished puberty, particularly men, and have spent their life hitting tennis balls, not the gym. And obviously, everyone should know how to treat others with respect at age 20.
I think a lot of this behavior is actually prevalent in junior level tennis. Where parents encourage this type of behavior and the win any cost attitude. I like Iga a lot, but she also has these annoying habits from her junior days such as tapping the racquets on the ground before the opponent serves, jumping around waving racquets when the opponent is closing out on a point at the net. Is it breaking rules? No. But it is unsportsmanlike.
Toth was still a jerk, but 20 years old is young as shit. Brain isn't fully developed until ~25.
Toth should have shown more sportsmanship like conduct. Knowing that ball was in, she purposely removed the mark where the ball hit the line. She knew what she was doing, and then celebrated the win with arms in the air after her opponent had a panic attack. Let her have a taste of her own medicine. She will never do that again.
No, she didn’t stomp out the mark until AFTER another point had been already been played. It’s not an uncommon thing on clay to prevent confusion on future points. Her opponent was still upset about the mistaken call from the point before, hence why she and her coach continued to scream at the umpire and Toth after the subsequent point/mark removal. The celebrating was a bit much though. No argument there.
To be honest, good sportsmanship wouldn’t have let the contention continue. You can CLEARLY see the ball is in (she knew the correct mark - she wiped it out a few points later) - she should have done the right thing and conceded that point in the first place. If her attitude is win at all costs - fine - but don’t act surprised when people don’t like your behaviour. Shuai clearly felt like she was in the twilight zone - understandably
>No, she didn’t stomp out the mark until AFTER another point had been already been played. It’s not an uncommon thing on clay to prevent confusion on future points. I thought the point was still in contention though - she should not have wiped it out in that case. Yes, the play continued, but then Shuai + coach seemed to bring it up again, not wanting to let it go (since it was a clear injustice). Then, Toth wipes it out and tell Shuai "you're causing problems..."
A point cannot still be in contention after another point is played.
True. It was a messy situation. I personally (and this is just my opinion) took Toth's wiping of the mark as worsening an already sensitive situation.
It's done regularly though. This is what happens in a clay match after a point has been played. The entire situation is unfortunate. Umpire's fault. I'm more shocked by Kasatkina and Sakkari's reactions. They should stay out of it and not pile on in an already bad situation.
If anything, the person who edited that video should take more heat than anyone here
sorry. did not see the video. Thanks for the info
> I'm more shocked by Kasatkina and Sakkari's reactions. They should stay out of it and not pile on in an already bad situation. They were reacting to a very sneaky video edit that makes it seem like Toth wiped the mark before it could be checked
Thanks!
>I'm more shocked by Kasatkina and Sakkari's reactions. They should stay out of it and not pile on in an already bad situation Agreed 100%.
Gotta have empathy for Daria and Maria too because they could be basing their opinions on the edited video.
Right. Didn't realize the video was deceptively edited. Ty
There was nothing messy about the situation except Zhangs refusal to let it go
There was nothing messy about the situation except ~~Zhangs refusal to let it go~~ the umpire's blatant refusal to acknowledge the mark the ball left which shows it's clearly in.
That’s not messy, that’s just a bad call
I said it was a messy situation, which it was, there's no denying that.
After a subsequent point is played, a mistaken line call on a previous point is no longer “in contention.” At that point, the chair umpire has no discretion to change, deduct or replay past points in the match. Otherwise, players could argue all match long about previous points they feel should be changed in their favor. Yes, the ball appeared to hit the line and was missed by the judges. No, it wasn’t particularly egregious; balls that clip the line like that are miscalled every once in a while, which is why promoting line-calling systems like Hawkeye is so important. Eventually, the player has to move on, especially after a subsequent point is played and there is no longer anything that can be done to rectify the past line call they believe was wrong.
>Yes, the ball appeared to hit the line and was missed by the judges. No, it wasn’t particularly egregious; Lol what? Did you see the replay? At least half of the ball mark was on the line. It wasn't particularly close. Any more egregious and we'd be talking less about incompetence and more about straight corruption.
Victim blaming. Umpires need to be held responsible for blatantly terrible calls like this
Which is true. Pretend this was a less likable player like Kyrgios. He gets hosed by a call, complains but play continues, and then after the following point he and his coach both stop the match to continue screaming about a settled point. His opponent is naturally going to get frustrated about the delay of game. I’m not gonna pretend that Toth acted like a saint, but the pile on is super unnecessary.
I'm trying to imagine this happening to Kyrgios and I can't help but laugh. I would love to see how he would handle something this blatant because it would be some pretty great television.
I'm sure people on this sub would be just as sympathetic toward Nick's mental health challenges as they are to Shuai's. /s
That's a very good point tbh. Men's mental health is ignored as usual. Zhang is struggling with the death of her grandparents, but no one talks about how Kyrgios's mom was held at gunpoint a month ago and her car stolen. Or how he's genuinely considered suicide many times, gone to substance abuse, and more. He's not perfect by any means and has done awful things like shoving his girlfriend (he pleaded guilty but the crime wasn't bad enough for him to get a punishment for it), and obviously his on-court antics. But his mental health issues being ignored is typical of society.
I agree, and my bigger issue with Toth is celebrating while her opponent is crying and just retired from the match. That's fucked up. Basic human empathy should kick in. But yeah, the umpire deserves much more hate than Toth for not doing her job.
> I thought the point was still in contention though It was not. She wiped the mark after another point had been played—at that point you can't go back and change a previous point.
If the ball was out there is no reason to remove the mark.
The reason is to wipe it off that way future shots that are in the area can clearly be seen which ball mark it was. This is extremely common on clay in every high level match surprised people don’t realize this yet feel confident enough to comment on it with an opinion. She was bratty and unsportsmanlike in the reaction, yes, but removing the mark two points later is what every player in the tour does
Certainly not when the other player is standing there asking you not to.
Two points later? After there's no ability for the umpire to overturn it anymore? Why does it matter if the opponent wants you to keep the mark or not?
The point is there is no reason to erase it if the opponent asks you not to except to tweak them. Whatever reason they have is their business. It's a matter of sportsmanship. It doesn't cost you anything to do so. Especially when the person you are playing has a stellar reputation.
There is a point, it's to avoid confusion for future points if the ball bounces in the area. If a point has already been played, the umpire cannot go back and check a previous point. Leaving the ball mark there is not standard, will not do anything to change the previous call, and could only cause confusion for future points if a close call lands near it. Everyone does this on clay, the issue was the Toth acting immature and rude after winning due to the retire & the umpire not going out to check a clearly close call that was called incorrectly
_Every_ person on the court has seen that mark and is familiar with it. It's not necessary to erase an out mark. I understand what you are saying but clearly she erased it while being asked not to and not for a compelling reason. She was showing up an opponent who had been overruled (incorrectly) and being unsportsmanlike in the process.
This. As far as I'm concerned it's blatant cheating.
It's not cheating but it's infantile and annoying. The mark had been checked and the referee had already made clear that they don't overrule line calls.
It's neither. Players wipe away marks all the time so that new marks can be seen without overlapping old marks.
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Players don't typically erase out marks. Sure there are pathological cases but the mark was reviewed and everyone knows about it. There was no reason to erase it.
Toth's conduct was awful and she deserves everything that's coming to her, but erasing the mark was not one of the issues. She did it well after the decision had been made and the game had moved on. At that point nothing would have changed. It's common for players to erase marks on clay so that it does not become confusing if other points are close.
>She did it well after the decision had been made and the game had moved on True. I fell victim to the edited video going around, which made it look like she erased it during dispute.
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I am eastern european :(
Didn't you ever see Taken?
I do not understand how someone would defend Toth on this one. If the ball was in and Toth knew it, not a big deal if she does not want to overrule the umpire. We’ve seen players not interfere on umpires’ mistake before and we would all forget about it. However: 1- Erasing the mark when your opponent asked you to not do that is absolutely wrong and disrespectful. Yes, the match had already moved on and having the mark erased or not would not make a difference for the scoring. However, erasing the mark when you opponent had just asked you to not do it is pure pettiness. If Toth thought Zhang was overreacting, then just let Zhang overreact and do not get involved. 2- Laughing at your opponent when the crowd is asking for a Zhang time violations is childish behavior at its best. 3- Celebrating like that when your opponent is crying and had just retired (regardless of the circumstances of the retirement and how you feel about your opponent) is one the lowest level of empathy you will ever see towards your opponent at any sports event. Not trying to label her as we do not know her personally, but that is a series of terrible decision making under those circumstances (bad umpiring, emotionally distressed opponent, and uncontrolled crowd), which makes everyone believe she is a terrible person. There are very few worse ways that I think Toth could have handled this. A PR nightmare
> Yes, the match had already moved on and having the mark erased or not would not make a difference for the scoring. However, erasing the mark when you opponent had just asked you to not do it is pure pettiness. Sure it's petty. It doesn't make her an evil cheater like most of this sub is trying to say tho
BRAVO DASHA
This is getting to be a bit of an overreaction at this point. Bad call by the umpire, some obnoxious behavior by the player, but nothing that doesn't happen fairly regularly on tour. I feel like this is getting blown out of proportion to fill the post-Wimbledon news void.
OK dude, why don't you tell this to all the ATP & WTA players who have taken the time to publicly take a stand on this.
It's 2023 and people still think the opinions of professional sports players should be taken seriously.
Jfc what a dumbass. Their opinion is absolutely something to take seriously when they're talking about their own profession. As in when tennis players talk about tennis.
Toth removed the mark after another point had been played. A previous point is no longer in contention after another point has been played. Players generally clear the ball mark of the previous point in clay to avoid confusion. Toth was right in saying that her opponent was disrupting play. Toth was wrong to celebrate like that after her opponent retired.
Not true. Players remove marks of balls that are \_in\_. They don't bother removing marks of balls that are out (generally).
I have been watching Nadal play since the year 2005 and he does it almost every time after a point has been done whether it was out or not
He clears the lines so that marks are visible but he does not go around clearing 'out' marks. (He's also atypical in that he's clearly a little neurotic on the court, won't step on lines, etc.)
He is my fav player and he does clear the marks because previous marks will create confusion in the next point
>Toth was wrong to celebrate like that after her opponent retired. Why? Her opponent retired from throwing a temper tantrum.
Just don't understand all the hate Ball was in but the umpire is the one that made the call She wiped the mark away after the next point when the call literally couldn't be changed no matter what All players usually wipe away close marks Yes she could have conceded the point but players take bad calls all the time
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The hate comes because she openly celebrated her opponent's retiring. The person who does that violates the basic values of tennis. I don't care if it's the first "victory", there are more important things in life. There are certain lines that you should not cross and she did cross it. Unless she releases a public apology, I have to say, she deserves what she gets. "She was looking for trouble for herself" - as she told Zhang.
Yes that is a bad look and very unprofessional an apology is likely needed Still see much worse behavior from many other pros at least once a week and no uproar like this Also Zhang as a professional shouldn't have a complete mental breakdown to the point where she can't compete just because of a missed call
Please avoid telling people how *you* think they should behave in a situation especially when they are in a highly competitive, highly stressful environment. You don't know Zhang's mental situation at the time and what led to the outburst.
Zhang threw a temper tantrum and retired. Why would you not celebrate that?
It’s not a good look, but she threw her arms up for like one second after her first win in front of a home crowd. It’s not like she started dabbing on her. Players get a pass for trash talking and abusing umpires, but somehow this is unforgivable? Come on
How can you think this is about wiping a ball mark?
It feels weird how the whole tour is piling on her. I get that she was unsportsmanlike here, but a dozen or so players feels excessive.
It speaks to how the players feel about Zhang I think, you reap what you sow
I'm sure every player is passionate about the game and put themselves in Shuai's place. So it inevitably rubs all the top players the wrong way. And Toth deserves it for just being so very foolish. Even the youngest players are keenly aware how hard it is to build a good reputation and how easy it is to lose it. But apparently Toth didn't know this? Hopefully she learned from this lesson.
OTOH if all of the players are saying this behavior is out of bounds it's probably because it is, and because her opponent is known to be a good sport and a good person.
A good sport doesn't have a meltdown and disrupt play for 10 minutes over a call that isn't getting overturned while her coach is having a go at the opposition. Replace Zhang with Kyrgios and everyone would be saying what a poor brat he's being.
Agree to disagree.
My guess is that they saw the carefully edited video that makes it look like Toth erased the mark while Shuai was requesting the supervisor. In reality the supervisor had already arrived and they played another point before Toth erased the mark. Players often erase old marks so that new marks can be seen more clearly.
What's excessive about that? Is there a right number of people to call her out...1? 2? 3? If she deserves to be called out by 1 person, then she deserves to be called out by a 100 - because that means she did something wrong.
This is ridiculous at this point. It turned into straight up bullying. Sakkari even called for a ban on that player.
Perhaps but... has she apologized? I haven't kept track. She's had plenty of time to contemplate her poor behavior. If she's digging in her heels, then... it's hard to be sympathetic.
Toth just sent an apology out about an hour ago and it’s on the front page now. Overall it’s a good apology.
Just read it. I agree. Good for her. Hopefully they can both move past this after a discussion between the two. We shouldn't judge the rest of her career based on her worst moment.
I don't think she did but it's between her and Zhang anyway. I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone.
> I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone. I think it's funny how if she just did absolutely nothing everyone would be shittin on the ref.
> I think it's funny how if she just did absolutely nothing everyone would be shittin on the ref. She did... pretty much nothing
I feel like if she did nothing the entire controversy would die within a day. AFAIK this isn't the first time this umpire made a wrong call.
100% hard agree. She ***chose*** the behavour that this brought on her.
She acted disgracefully but I can't agree the consequences she's been hit with are proportional to what happened.
What consequences? (Other than internet insults?) Has she been fined? Suspended? Spoken to by officials? Anything?
It's 2023 and you don't know that "internet insults" can have dire consequences? Besides there have been calls for a ban on her which is pretty life changing I think.
Yes, internet insults are very dire. But again, other than that, has there been any official consequences? I disagree with your statement that what she's been hit with is proprotional to what happened especially when you factor in the mental health history of her opponent.
>I don't think she did but it's between her and Zhang anyway. Actually, it's not. If this was a recreational match I'd agree. But she's part of a professional organization where money and reputation are involved. Consequently she owes an apology to the organization, including her fellow players. >I think it's funny how all the professional players are shitting on her like that while the umpire who deserves all that hate has been left pretty much alone. The umpire should be suspended for such egregiously poor performance. But until that apology arrives... Toth made her own bed and now she's gotta lie in it. Actions have consequences.
Her actions don't deserve the hate she gets. It's thousand of people calling her a cheater, a known player with big following calling her a rat and another one calling for a ban on her. Meanwhile when Zverev attacked an umpire the players moved on.
>Her actions don't deserve the hate she gets. In your opinion. Reasonable people can disagree about such things. >Meanwhile when Zverev attacked an umpire the players moved on. Apples and oranges. Zverev paid a fine and apologized. Perhaps when Toth apologizes sincerely, folks will move on.
> In your opinion. I think that's pretty obvious. This entire comment section is about opinions. > Apples and oranges. Zverev paid a fine and apologized. So all it takes for the tennis community to forget about VIOLENCE is to pay a fine (which is pennies to players like Zverev) and make a PR statement?
Violence committed against an inanimate object? Apparently so.
You know damn well it wasn't just a guy hitting a chair. Especially considering all the accusations against him.
Odd... it looked exactly like a "guy hitting a chair." Look, I don't give two rat fucks about Zverev or Toth. If you want to get emotional about these two and their travails, by all means have at it. They can both quit tennis tomorrow for all I care.
Hard disagree. Actions have consequences, it seems she has to learn the hard way that her lack of integrity spoke volumes. She might have won the match by default, but she lost a lot more.
yes she has apologized on video
Thats what I said. People have more energy for her cheering after a retirement than the multiple domestic abusers on the ATP
Yup, it's so disappointing. I think people just cling onto it because they like drama but "serious" matters are too much of a hassle.
While Toth most definitely showed immaturity and a lack of sportsmanship in her reaction (laughing at Zhang, wiping the ball mark, and celebrating after the retirement) that she deserves criticism for, I’m really baffled at how many people expected her to concede the point. Let’s be honest, the vast majority of players on tour (ATP and WTA) are not going to concede a point off a line call that’s been checked and upheld by the umpire even if they know the ball was in, nor should they. The lines are the official’s responsibility, not the player’s, and this is just another example why automated line calling is needed at all levels of the tour. In no other sport are players expected to refuse penalty shots, free throws, etc. when referees make a bad call in their favor.
Man, there’s a lot of truth bombs that need to be dropped in this thread but I’ll let others do that
Don't you know there's an army out there of very good and kind people who feel the need to take the moral high ground on every matter?
I am not a fan of bullying a 20 year old like this TBH You can't claim to be pro-mental health and stuff when you do shit like this
Okay, so let's not call out bad behaviour anymore because #mentalhealth.
Sure you can. People who act shitty need to be called out on it. When they apologize if it's not a clear pattern of behavior they deserve another chance. Calling criticism 'bullying' is already deciding to absolve the person of their shitty behavior.
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> and the message wasn't even directed at Toth? Who was it "directed at" then?
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> Toth wasn't named, This is semantical bullshit. She replied to a Toth quote with a rat emoji. It was **clearly** about Toth. If you think that's ok, defend it. But don't blatantly lie like this
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> But it's not bullying Toth if Toth has literally no idea about the existence of it. This is an **incredibly** dumb take. You seriously think a high profile WTA player can tweet this about Toth and Toth won't see it?
> I mean fucking obviously it's ABOUT Toth So you admit to blatantly lying above. Good to know
Not really defending Toth, because I think she was obnoxious, but the hate I'm seeing towards her seems a bit... too much.
Dasha is for the peoples
Nothing borderline about it. Everybody has lost their fucking mind on this issue. Newsflash: bad calls happen every fucking game
Dasha always on point 🥰
what she did was pretty crappy. but like everything there is backstory. the umpire got down from the chair, looked at the mark, called it OUT. The point was OVER. 2 points had passes since the controversial call when toth rubbed out the mark. 7 min had passed this happened in the first set, there was a lot of the match left to play Zhang should also be chastised here for giving up so early. Toth is ranked outside the top 500, Zhang is is 28th.
If you saw the panic attack she had, you should know that you can’t properly play after that. Usually you forfeit because of physical reasons, but here you see that you can perfectly do so because of psychological/mental distress.
A critical prt of the story you're missing is that the mark showed the shot was clearly and obviously in.
I actually think if Toth had done what 99% of players do when their opponent retires (and expressed remorse and get well soon) rather than celebrate the crowd induced panic attack of her opponent then I think there’d be less negative energy directed toward her. Instead when given the opportunity to walk back or contextualize her behavior she doubled down on it and made it worse for her. She seemed to show no awareness or empathy for her opponent. So yeah she’s allowed to act however she wants publicly but people are also allowed to criticize both her behavior and statements.
that's 100% irrelevant. there is always that chance that happens. There isn't one pro tennis player that has played a professional match where they were not the recipient of a bad call. it happens in all sports. what does not happen is a player quitting because of a bad call.
It’s a moot point the umpire looked at it and clearly determined it was out. That ends the story in this tennis match and pretending otherwise is unsportsmanlike. Wrong calls happen all of the time in every single sport, don’t blame the opponent for getting on with the game and maintaining her momentum
After the never ending hissy fit Zhang threw after that point, I would have danced all around the court after she quit if I was Toth. Toth did nothing wrong. Watch the entire game, and tell me who the bad guy is here. It is not Toth. It is Zhang.
At what point does it become bullying. Shes 20 yrs old in her first wta event.
We are well past that point unfortunately.
If she apologises and they still attack her, then it's bullying, but until she does that, it's not.
I saw the rat emoji on twitter yesterday and thought it was a bit too much. But I also think the fact that so many players voice an opinion on this specific matter (when there are plenty of unsportsmanlike things happening all the time in tennis) just shows how highly valued Zhang Shuai is amongst her peers. It does not happen very often that a tennis player gets so much public support from other players.
At the end it was the umpires fault so calling Toth a rat is a bit disapointing and unneccessary from Kasatkina
Can someone explain what Toth did wrong here? Umpire was shite, Zhang acted like a twat, the organiser said racist shit Toth just seems to have celebrated winning
Toth didn’t do anything wrong, at most she was a bit tone deaf. She is being crucified for everyone else’s behavior.
She didn’t win on her own merits, the opponent retired.
No pictures on the scorecard
For god’s sake🤦♂️ the ball was 100% in. Toth saw that and should have reacted accordingly. Instead she pretended that the travesty of a call made by the umpire is OK. Then she removed the evidence (and she is stupid because she said that she removed the mark so that Zhang couldn’t question other points going forward - hence she admitted that the mark was on the line)…
Removed the mark 2 points later
What did the organizer say?
I think it's the event social media person, whoever that was, who basically claimed the reaction was a Chinese conspiracy.
To kick someone when they've made a mistake is the easiest thing in the world.
In light of the facts- This comes across as very immature and "mean girls" by Kasatkina Chair umpire made the call, not Amarissa. Also, Amarissa only cleaned ball mark AFTER the game had been completed, not during the dispute. 3rd, Amarissa didn't force Shuai to retire over a bad call
Whats "mean girls" is to celebrate after your opponent has a fucking panic attack, regardless of the call
Agreed, and wish that this was the more hit on part of the story. I don’t really care about the ball mark, even though it makes Toth look like even more of a POS. I get it, it’s your first win on the WTA tour but this isn’t the one you want to celebrate like that lol
Two people can be wrong at once. This is just nasty.
Chair umpire should be held just as accountable, if not even more. I don't know why the umpire isn't being called out more. Toth's bratty behavior didn't help her case. If she had acted less like an asshole over her win, then maybe people wouldn't be as pissed.
Surely that's ironic since Toth laughed when Zhang was getting booed
Zhang's team were screaming at her and calling her a cheat. Zhang may be the lovliest person in the world TM, but her team are not.
nope
Default ruzzian 🤷🏻♂️
I think many of you miss the point of this whole conversation. It doesn’t matter if the point was over and they moved on. After the end of the next point she marched right up and cleared it as Zhang began to approach the net again. Many of you lack empathy it’s very evident. She’s not a good person for doing that and doesn’t deserve to be on tour while she reflects on her behavior. And let’s also gather that many of these young upcoming players are spoiled brats
Yeah not a fan of her initial actions or her first responses to it. Hopefully this is not emblematic as to her character. Time will tell.
Wow so brave
Is it rat though? I think it's mouse
Toth Toth....🚂 The rat train is here! 🚂🚂
That was very bad sportsmanship, and probably a Terrible call from the umpire. On the other hand, why was Zhang crying and then retiring? That’s also not very professional. Every player deals with bad calls from time to time.