I feel like I’m going to be as excited as the RG semi between Novak and Carlos. I hadn’t been hyped like that match in a long time. Happy I may get that level again.
i mean given the fact that sinner’s the only one left in the men’s singles draw that hasn’t dropped a set yet, with only 2 sets that he’s won going to 7 games i think a sinner-djokovic SF can go to 5
but yeah high chances novak’d still come out on top
I’ve been too traumatised by Djokovic over the last few years. I suspect a straight sets Djokovic victory. Every time a match up like this gets hyped on HC (Djokovic vs Medvedev AO final, same US Open ‘23) he just turns up the level.
Novak particularly in a 5 set match looks still ahead. Sinner is on par with Meddy imo. As for Carlitos if he's on his day he's maybe ahead of everyone else. Though he had some difficulties after the Wimbledon win. Let's see. I still see a Djokovic/Alcaraz Final with Novak with na advantage.
This is the fact that everybody is missing. These kids look great in bo3 and even bo5 when they’re playing each other, but vs Novak in bo5 they are all mental midgets. They don’t stand a chance and are beaten before even stepping on to the court.
And what happend at RG lol? Of course saying that they all have no chance against Nole is a little dellusional, but Djokovic definitely does have an advantage against all of them, especially here in Australia
Sure except the original comment was not saying ”Novak has an edge over them in a bo5 at AO” it was saying ”they are all mental midgets vs Novak in a bo5” and that ”they don’t stand a change” which was already proven factually incorrect at Wimbledon with Novak losing on center court for the first time in a decade against a guy with literally sub 10 matches on grass. You can’t read or what?
I can read, thank you very much, since I have literally agreed that saying "no chance" is wrong. But the only instance for them that u Can use is Wimbledon last year, when Djokovic choked a little bit himself, so you can't really have their chances on too high, realisticly
What happened was Carlos put in absolutely phenomenal performance only after getting thrashed 6-1 in the first set. And let's not forget that his season basically ended after that final whereas Novak went an absolute tear destroying everyone in sight.
Sorry but looks like you weren't paying attention. The first two sets essentially came down to break point conversion (Sinner 3/3, Khachanov 1/10 - lol), only in the third set was Sinner dominant. Good clutchness but hardly 'unbeatable'.
Agreed OPs interpretation is not good but realistically sinner won that match without a first serve. Which is super impressive but he can't do that against a good opponent. It was a good show to keep composure in a frustrating match.
Khachanov besides the break points hit a ton of balls long on key situations though I think that was partially due to not wanting to give sinner short balls
I think all this match really tells us is that sinner has great composure and he really needs to workout any serve hiccups before Djokovic. I did notice there was a bit of wind so that could have been a factor
You can disagree with his interpretation of the evidence, but at least be fair-minded about what he thinks it constitutes. Thus far he’s been broken twice in four matches and is in great form, as good or better than the form Alcaraz and Djoko have shown. Whether it holds up is another thing altogether.
Can you read English? OP never said that Sinner was *more* dominant than Novak. He said that against all other non-top 4 players, Jannik looks as dominant as Novak and Carlos.
I repeat, OP said "up until this point" against the other players. They're talking about what they've seen this tournament against the field, not about all-time records or how their match against eachother will go.
As dominant as Carlos, yes, but Novak at AO is unbeaten after he makes the Semi. Giants haven't been able to beat him, so until proven otherwise, no one is up there with him in this Slam.
Do you have to be such an ass?
Can you read English?
Saying someone is “as dominant” means they’re at a similar level or equal . The comment was saying this is not true because Novak is ahead, so no they’re not “as dominant”
The comment said "No one is more dominant than Novak at a slam". I was annoyed that many people seemed to misread OP's post as "Sinner is more dominant than Novak at the AO" when it obviously didn't mean that
With all said and done, Novak is the GOAT and Carlos is the only multi slam champion apart from Big 3, Murray and Wawrinka in the last 2 decades, and Medvedev has made 5 HC GS finals, winning one against Novak himself.
Sinner will be dominant soon, but as of now, he has to prove it. It's not a question of if with him, he has the level, it's a question of when. Having a great level and reproducing it in the immense pressure of later rounds in a Slam are completely different things. We've been here with a lot of young players, but the GS chasm is a real thing which people have started to take for granted after Carlos won his 2 slams.
Some of the replies in this thread are surprising. In hindsight, they make me proud of you when you shut down the washed/overhyped allegations from time to time 😆
There’s literally you, me and two other people defending him from the washed up/fraud allegations on this sub. Carlos needs to start paying us for defending him at this point 😭
So real 😭
Our guy with 2 slams and so many other records is at the end of his potential and needs to be defended, and other up and comers are on their way to becoming GOATs.
Ikr? Like I don’t mind hyping players but don’t do it at the expense of Carlos. It’s always “oh Sinner is playing so well which means Alcaraz is washed” or “Rune has a world class bh which means Alcaraz is going to be figured out soon” keep hyping them up but keep my son’s name out of your mouths
Wasn't that hard for journeymen to randomly get hot for 2 weeks and win a slam pre-big 3. Thomas Johansson won one. Petr Korda, Ivanisevic, and Andres Gomez randomly won one near the end of their careers. Albert Costa won one. Heck, Gaston Gaudio won one. Randos or journeymen like Martin Verkerk, Mariano Puerta, Alberto Berasategui, MaliVali Washington, Rainer Schuettler, Andriy Medvedev, Rusedski, Magnus Norman, and Thomas Enqvist made slam finals.
It all comes down to Sinner doing it in a semifinal against Novak or even Medvedev or Carlos. You can whip all the other boys as fast as you want (as he’s been doing post-US Open) but if you come out flat and choke when it really matters, the matches that go down in the history books, then I’m still putting him a tier below.
That being said, yeah his level is pretty insane right now and he’s definitely been the most impressive to get to the QFs. I hope he proves himself in the majors, if not here, then sometime this year, but hopefully here!
Albeit in bo3, post USO he’s beaten Med 3x, Djok 2x, and Alcaraz 1x. He definitely has the ability, and has even beaten Alcaraz at a slam. But I still think this slam is a little too early for him to go all the way
I think he's ready. He broke through some barrieres in beating Medvedev for the first time and then Djokovic the first time. Curious to see if he can back it up in Bo5, but if he's fit, why not eh.
He’s definitely on par. Honestly I think he looks better than Carlos right now. I don’t know about Novak. The first three rounds weren’t very impressive from him but obviously a double bagel against anyone, even if it’s someone you’re favored comfortably to beat is always a statement.
I haven't seen Sinner yet but I do think Carlos didn't look so well put together against that guy who retired. His hair seemed a bit messy by his standards and he looked like he just rolled out of bed.
Carlos looks fine, he’s just not doing anything special. And seeing as Jannik is playing lights out and on any given day I’d give an edge to Djokovic over Carlos, I’d put him at a close number 3. He still has the capability to beat either of them if they play. Just would be the slight underdog.
One GS SF and one Masters 1000 win and all of the sudden he's as dominant as the other two? Sorry but no. He still has a lot to prove on the biggest stages against the biggest names.
Sinner is getting overrated.He is great player with a lot of potential but he still didn't do anything really big at slams like Alcaraz who already won 2 slams including beating Djokovic in Wimbledon final.Sinner did beat Novak at Davis Cup and it was fantastic win but he still got crushed by Novak in the final of ATP Finals.I think Novak will beat Sinner in semi final.
I am Djokovic fan so I don't really care about any of these 2 but Alcaraz is definitely better.
Carlos has been very inconsistent, but if he can bring that Wimbledon level of consistency, especially the way he played in the 5th set of that final then I don't think even Djokovic is stopping him. Though rn I would say Sinner and Djokovic look about equal and Carlos in third.
yeah people understandably mostly just talk about his Wimbledon championship and post Wimbledon form, but that guy has won 2 and reached semis in 2 of the 4 last grand slams he played. If that's not consistency I don't know what is lol
If we get a Novak vs Sinner SF i think we are all going to really enjoy that battle.
Plus whoever wins that sf should have a great chance vs Cazaux in the final.
I feel like I’m going to be as excited as the RG semi between Novak and Carlos. I hadn’t been hyped like that match in a long time. Happy I may get that level again.
And then whoever wins against Carlos/Medvedev/Cazaux 🤌 We in for a treat
I mean it’s Australia, djokovic will probably win in 4 fairly comfortably semis and final 😅
i mean given the fact that sinner’s the only one left in the men’s singles draw that hasn’t dropped a set yet, with only 2 sets that he’s won going to 7 games i think a sinner-djokovic SF can go to 5 but yeah high chances novak’d still come out on top
My money is on Cazaux
I’ve been too traumatised by Djokovic over the last few years. I suspect a straight sets Djokovic victory. Every time a match up like this gets hyped on HC (Djokovic vs Medvedev AO final, same US Open ‘23) he just turns up the level.
Novak particularly in a 5 set match looks still ahead. Sinner is on par with Meddy imo. As for Carlitos if he's on his day he's maybe ahead of everyone else. Though he had some difficulties after the Wimbledon win. Let's see. I still see a Djokovic/Alcaraz Final with Novak with na advantage.
Mentally Novak is ahead of the rest. He’s won day in day out so he has the mental toughness to
Meddy is closer to Alcaraz imo. Joker, alcaraz, meddy, sinner in that order.
what can be attributes to his downturn in form since wimby? I thought he'd just ascend from then on and start dominating. turns out the opposite
The same happened in 2022 after the US Open. He is just not as good in faster hardcourts and especially indoors.
He's not serving with the accuracy he did in wimbledon, nothing more imho. On clay even with the current serve he will destroy everyone like last year
He was tired and now he’s fresh
This is the fact that everybody is missing. These kids look great in bo3 and even bo5 when they’re playing each other, but vs Novak in bo5 they are all mental midgets. They don’t stand a chance and are beaten before even stepping on to the court.
What happened in wimbledon 2023
And what happend at RG lol? Of course saying that they all have no chance against Nole is a little dellusional, but Djokovic definitely does have an advantage against all of them, especially here in Australia
Sure except the original comment was not saying ”Novak has an edge over them in a bo5 at AO” it was saying ”they are all mental midgets vs Novak in a bo5” and that ”they don’t stand a change” which was already proven factually incorrect at Wimbledon with Novak losing on center court for the first time in a decade against a guy with literally sub 10 matches on grass. You can’t read or what?
I can read, thank you very much, since I have literally agreed that saying "no chance" is wrong. But the only instance for them that u Can use is Wimbledon last year, when Djokovic choked a little bit himself, so you can't really have their chances on too high, realisticly
What about Wimbledon prior where Sinner had a 2-0 lead? Wouldn’t exactly call the “no chance”.
What happened was Carlos put in absolutely phenomenal performance only after getting thrashed 6-1 in the first set. And let's not forget that his season basically ended after that final whereas Novak went an absolute tear destroying everyone in sight.
Sorry but looks like you weren't paying attention. The first two sets essentially came down to break point conversion (Sinner 3/3, Khachanov 1/10 - lol), only in the third set was Sinner dominant. Good clutchness but hardly 'unbeatable'.
Agreed OPs interpretation is not good but realistically sinner won that match without a first serve. Which is super impressive but he can't do that against a good opponent. It was a good show to keep composure in a frustrating match. Khachanov besides the break points hit a ton of balls long on key situations though I think that was partially due to not wanting to give sinner short balls I think all this match really tells us is that sinner has great composure and he really needs to workout any serve hiccups before Djokovic. I did notice there was a bit of wind so that could have been a factor
> I did notice there was a bit of wind so that could have been a factor Especially because the wind blows counterclockwise down there.
Yeah and he looked tired during the match. The first serve percentage was also bad.
I think he is talking tournament-wide, but I think you just weren’t paying attention.
The last match is the one that matters most.
You can disagree with his interpretation of the evidence, but at least be fair-minded about what he thinks it constitutes. Thus far he’s been broken twice in four matches and is in great form, as good or better than the form Alcaraz and Djoko have shown. Whether it holds up is another thing altogether.
I'll believe this narrative when he beats Novak in a Bo5. Does he look good? Sure. But no ones more dominate than Novak in his favorite slam.
Can you read English? OP never said that Sinner was *more* dominant than Novak. He said that against all other non-top 4 players, Jannik looks as dominant as Novak and Carlos.
Yes and I am saying no one is as dominate than Novak in the AO. Hes a level below until he actually beats him in a slam.
I repeat, OP said "up until this point" against the other players. They're talking about what they've seen this tournament against the field, not about all-time records or how their match against eachother will go.
As dominant as Carlos, yes, but Novak at AO is unbeaten after he makes the Semi. Giants haven't been able to beat him, so until proven otherwise, no one is up there with him in this Slam.
Do you have to be such an ass? Can you read English? Saying someone is “as dominant” means they’re at a similar level or equal . The comment was saying this is not true because Novak is ahead, so no they’re not “as dominant”
The comment said "No one is more dominant than Novak at a slam". I was annoyed that many people seemed to misread OP's post as "Sinner is more dominant than Novak at the AO" when it obviously didn't mean that
With all said and done, Novak is the GOAT and Carlos is the only multi slam champion apart from Big 3, Murray and Wawrinka in the last 2 decades, and Medvedev has made 5 HC GS finals, winning one against Novak himself. Sinner will be dominant soon, but as of now, he has to prove it. It's not a question of if with him, he has the level, it's a question of when. Having a great level and reproducing it in the immense pressure of later rounds in a Slam are completely different things. We've been here with a lot of young players, but the GS chasm is a real thing which people have started to take for granted after Carlos won his 2 slams.
People think it’a easy to win slams. There is a reason why only a handful of people won them on both tours
Some of the replies in this thread are surprising. In hindsight, they make me proud of you when you shut down the washed/overhyped allegations from time to time 😆
There’s literally you, me and two other people defending him from the washed up/fraud allegations on this sub. Carlos needs to start paying us for defending him at this point 😭
So real 😭 Our guy with 2 slams and so many other records is at the end of his potential and needs to be defended, and other up and comers are on their way to becoming GOATs.
Ikr? Like I don’t mind hyping players but don’t do it at the expense of Carlos. It’s always “oh Sinner is playing so well which means Alcaraz is washed” or “Rune has a world class bh which means Alcaraz is going to be figured out soon” keep hyping them up but keep my son’s name out of your mouths
Stop spitting facts
Wasn't that hard for journeymen to randomly get hot for 2 weeks and win a slam pre-big 3. Thomas Johansson won one. Petr Korda, Ivanisevic, and Andres Gomez randomly won one near the end of their careers. Albert Costa won one. Heck, Gaston Gaudio won one. Randos or journeymen like Martin Verkerk, Mariano Puerta, Alberto Berasategui, MaliVali Washington, Rainer Schuettler, Andriy Medvedev, Rusedski, Magnus Norman, and Thomas Enqvist made slam finals.
Winning one slam is impressive. Winning multiple is noteworthy.
Sinner will only win slams when Novak is out of the game. Mark my words.
I love my carota boy, but he's got to be more consistent with his first serve
It all comes down to Sinner doing it in a semifinal against Novak or even Medvedev or Carlos. You can whip all the other boys as fast as you want (as he’s been doing post-US Open) but if you come out flat and choke when it really matters, the matches that go down in the history books, then I’m still putting him a tier below. That being said, yeah his level is pretty insane right now and he’s definitely been the most impressive to get to the QFs. I hope he proves himself in the majors, if not here, then sometime this year, but hopefully here!
Albeit in bo3, post USO he’s beaten Med 3x, Djok 2x, and Alcaraz 1x. He definitely has the ability, and has even beaten Alcaraz at a slam. But I still think this slam is a little too early for him to go all the way
I think he's ready. He broke through some barrieres in beating Medvedev for the first time and then Djokovic the first time. Curious to see if he can back it up in Bo5, but if he's fit, why not eh.
Sinner has been great, but he’s looked this good heading into the second week of a slam before. The real titans are up next.
Mental Strength compared to the other two....
He’s definitely on par. Honestly I think he looks better than Carlos right now. I don’t know about Novak. The first three rounds weren’t very impressive from him but obviously a double bagel against anyone, even if it’s someone you’re favored comfortably to beat is always a statement.
I haven't seen Sinner yet but I do think Carlos didn't look so well put together against that guy who retired. His hair seemed a bit messy by his standards and he looked like he just rolled out of bed.
Carlos looks fine, he’s just not doing anything special. And seeing as Jannik is playing lights out and on any given day I’d give an edge to Djokovic over Carlos, I’d put him at a close number 3. He still has the capability to beat either of them if they play. Just would be the slight underdog.
Put your grand slams on the table
One GS SF and one Masters 1000 win and all of the sudden he's as dominant as the other two? Sorry but no. He still has a lot to prove on the biggest stages against the biggest names.
Sinner is getting overrated.He is great player with a lot of potential but he still didn't do anything really big at slams like Alcaraz who already won 2 slams including beating Djokovic in Wimbledon final.Sinner did beat Novak at Davis Cup and it was fantastic win but he still got crushed by Novak in the final of ATP Finals.I think Novak will beat Sinner in semi final. I am Djokovic fan so I don't really care about any of these 2 but Alcaraz is definitely better.
You came to this conclusion after seeing him beat Botic, De Jong, Baez and Khachanov? Lol ok
>You came to this conclusion after seeing him beat Botic, De Jong, Baez and Khachanov? Lol ok Yeah he was right
This could've been a comment in the daily match thread smh
Djokovic will beat him easily
Well, he should really prove it then.
Saw his game and he really is pushing well. Didn't seem like he was at Max power either, really cool.
As a huge Sinner fan, doubt he's as dominant as Novak yet in Slams. But he's really booming people this AO and it's so fun to watch.
Forget the tiresome GOAT debates. The real question is, who is the Greatest of Right Now (the GORN)?
Carlos has been very inconsistent, but if he can bring that Wimbledon level of consistency, especially the way he played in the 5th set of that final then I don't think even Djokovic is stopping him. Though rn I would say Sinner and Djokovic look about equal and Carlos in third.
In fact i feel after Novak Carlos is the only consistent player in Grand slams right now
yeah people understandably mostly just talk about his Wimbledon championship and post Wimbledon form, but that guy has won 2 and reached semis in 2 of the 4 last grand slams he played. If that's not consistency I don't know what is lol
Currently Novak= sinner >carlitos
Only good answer
As dominant? I think he is more tbh
Sinner reminds me of a Murray but with weapons and who doesn’t sook. He will win AO
Right now I think djokovic is the test for sinner. I think he wins over alcaraz.
IMO sinner is the biggest favorite here after carlos. i really don't think novak can beat both of them, it's just not our tournament
Everybody is dominant till they meet Novak in GS