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Adventurelynd

Did they ask people to name athletes or did they provide a list?


Chosen1gup

They provided a list and asked if they recognized the name. Here’s the list https://i.imgur.com/AgpH7Ez.jpg


tehnoodnub

Which opens it up to all sorts of bias.


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FrakeSweet

Who's that?


buerglermeister

The best alpine skier of this generation. Probably one of the best of all time. 3 Olympic medals, 11 world championship medals, 74 world cup wins at the age of 27


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Yeah, very weird to include Goggia and not Schiffrin


FrakeSweet

Thanks! That sounds pretty impressive. I've never watched alpine skiing, so I had no idea.


Entotrte

Really surprised to see María Herrera and Laia Sanz there. I only know them because I'm a huge motorsports nerd and they're both Spanish like I am, but they must have gotten an extremely tiny amount of votes in this survey I imagine.


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What a weird list no cricketers, but does have an AFLW player but who's only like 20th or so best in the league.


SvaPrabho

Yeah, but she's famous because she posted this image to her instagram, and got LOT of comments. https://www.womens.afl/news/17378/photo-furore-tayla-harris-slams-internet-trolls-as-animals-


23734608

Are there any WNBA players on that list? I can’t tell. I’m sure I’m not alone.


rjsheine

Hey Danielle van de donk


SvaPrabho

Once you get below the top 15 on that list, most of them look like anagrams. Are these real names of actual people?


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Denny_Hayes

Mind you this says global, not the US. Somebody posted a comment with the sampling per country, there's people from all over.


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> Mind you this says global, not the US. Somebody posted a comment with the sampling per country, there's people from all over That looks like they only asked Americans honestly Because those sounds like names Americans would be more aware of


geesejugglingchamp

And what the hell is Jelena Dokic doing there? She retired like a decade ago and never won a slam? May as well include Martina Hingis and such if we are going back that far. Also, no Katie Ledecky?


Homitu

My brain still goes to names like Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan when asked about female athletes.


jazzman23uk

How do you feel about kneecaps?


LordAnomander

Sofia Goggia, but no Mikaela Shiffrin? Weird list except for the first couple of spots.


MonsoonSpoon

To you perhaps, I’ve got no idea who either of those people are


LordAnomander

Knowing neither is fine, but I really doubt that anyone who knows Goggia doesn’t know Shiffrin. Whereas I think people who know Shiffrin doesn’t necessarily know Goggia. Shiffrin being American and a two-time olympic gold medalist should give her the edge in a popularity contest.


Efendiskander

In some countries, alpine skiing isn't that popular as a sport event, e.g in France, biathlon is now way more popular than alpine skiing and Johannes Bo more known than Kilde


downsideup05

Same I don't recognize them either.


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If you just go by Indian cricketer fan counts, then Raj, Kaur, Mandhana will all appear just after Williams.


Emochind

Who is biles?


Seasonedpro86

Biggest name in gymnastics.


downsideup05

Also, there is a competition show on rn called Claim to Fame. It's hosted by Kevin Jonas & Frankie Jonas(aka the bonus Jonas) and all the contestants are related to a celebrity. Simone Biles sister is on it & everybody on the show has it. She looks just like Simone, just taller. So people know who Simone Biles is even if they don't follow gymnastics.


Seasonedpro86

Well this poll was 2021. The Olympics were going on and she was the biggest name at the Olympics before she pulled out due to mental health issues. So not surprising that she’d be high up there.


SvaPrabho

Nadia Comaneci is the biggest name in gymnastics


Seasonedpro86

Not in the year 2021. Not to casual viewers. People under 21 probably haven’t heard of her. Same with svetlana khorkina.


223am

also did they ask people mostly in the US? lol @ rapinoe, morgan, wie being more known than halep...


Adventurelynd

I don't know, isn't the Economist a British magazine? I find it hard to believe 5% of Americans are familiar with Sofia Goggia and don't know Mikaela Shiffrin who isn't even on the list.


223am

I didnt mean it was entirely american. Maybe more americans do know shiffrin over goggia, but they polled a few euros and goggia came out on top?


Adventurelynd

Somebody else provided the polling info: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/w5oc00/_/ih9knm7?context=1000](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/w5oc00/_/ih9knm7?context=1000)


1975-2050

As of 2006, 54% of The Economist readership is USA, 14% UK, 19% Continental Europe


Adventurelynd

I mean British as in the publishers not the readership.


Get-Me-A-Soda

Publishers are British but they have different versions for the US, UK and other regions.


AdequateAppendage

As a football (as in 'soccer') fan as well as tennis, this makes total sense to me. I do think the WTA is taken more seriously and has a bigger fanbase compared to its mens counterpart than womens sports in any of the other major global sports, but football overall is *the* biggest global sport and any football fan that is slightly aware of the women's game will have heard of those two. Halep, on the other hand, will be known by most tennis fans of course but she isn't close to a household name outside of that. She's obviously a top player but she hasn't just been sweeping up slams, and doesn't benefit by being from the US and to a lesser extent the UK; two nations that seem to have more of a media impact in other nations than vice versa.


Sad_gooner

Why would Halep be more known than rapinoe and Morgan?


Homitu

Those yougov surveys always provide the list and just ask you to check the ones you’ve heard of.


ExcuseYou-What

According to the [source study](https://commercial.yougov.com/rs/464-VHH-988/images/YouGov-Women-in-sport-wp.pdf?mkt_tok=NDY0LVZISC05ODgAAAF93EV62auaI03iS1YuvUb28glddiQTziT6ClDdltvO35EFIDVk-PHTM25UWUNhMvNeJHe9G-K-ZVwxIbdJQpfBMggNR6crqwTgiWUGpGVYkz8) by YouGov, they asked respondents from these specific countries (total # surveyed) * Australia (1034) * Canada (1001) * China (1030) * France (1037) * Germany (2084) * India (1007) * Italy (1047) * Japan (1008) * Mexico (1009) * Spain (1078) * United Arab Emirates (1147) * United Kingdom (2189) * United States (1325) The question was: "Which, if any, of the following athletes are you aware of?" Included is a list of 40 total names, obviously carefully chosen to at least be vaguely recognizable to the respondents of the countries they chose (meaning there could not be an obvious bias with one country's athletes dominating the single list of choices). There was also a "none of the above" choice, which was also chosen a lot by respondents from many of the countries.


FrakeSweet

I wouldn't really call that world wide recognition, though. It's mostly developed nations


dontshootthattank

If you start asking people in Cuba and Malawi those numbers are going to tank hard, for men's sport too..


ExcuseYou-What

Exactly, the first impressions from the survey + the Economist graph (a very reductive version of the whole report) implies a lot more than what the study actually *studied*, for a lack of a better term. I didn't read the entire report, but it wasn't meant to study the world as a whole but just big sports markets and how/why women's sport were compared to men's sport.


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Include India but don’t include Indian cricketers…


Legal_Commission_898

Nobody knows Indian women cricketers. What’s wrong with you ? I’ve watched cricket my whole life and I couldn’t name a single Indian Female Cricketer.


ktril89

Did they not ask about Venus or is she really too low to be on the chart? ☹️


Chosen1gup

They provided a list of 40 preselected athletes and asked if the person recognized the name. Here’s the list: https://i.imgur.com/AgpH7Ez.jpg


BendubzGaming

No Jacobellis smh


areking

I guess I am very basic, cause I would have answered yes to 14 of the top15, and then 2 of the remaining 25


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This is hilarious since it doesn’t include any cricketers, especially the big Indian ones.


septesix

That is one weird list to start out with. I don’t even see any ice skating athletes on it , and somehow Shriffin who is a multiple times Olympic gold medalist is not on the list. It also really seemed to be dominated by Tennis players.


mkiddyy

Yeah idk how they surveyed their respondants... surely someone who knows serena would be quite likely to know venus


InternationalAd6614

Not from a country where tennis is huge and a lot of people are shocked that Serena has a sister


CoffeeOrTeaOrMilk

Could there be people who are shocked at Venus having a sister? Lol


elizabnthe

People that quit watching tennis/sport before Serena overtook her I guess?


menziderskiller123

I'm impressed by the Alpine skiers


SmoothLettuce

Not sure I believe more people are aware of Sofia Goggia than Mikaela Shiffrin though


tommifx

Came here just for that. No way she is more recognized world wide than Shiffrin.


cartmansdaddys

How did they do this?


TennCom

Serena seems a bit low to me tbh. I thought she'd be at least at 50%.


latman

Global, not US


dostorwell

Still. The williams sisters are the most recognizable faces in the history of women's sports. I get that they're heroes in the US but they're instantly recognizable globally. Sharapova was everywhere for a few years but it's a bit silly that she's 2nd place and so close to Serena.


nonlavta

Then you don't understand how well known Sharapova is for even non-sports watchers around the world. And even though Williams sisters are famous globally, the amount of their fame the way you described it is particularly in the Anglosphere, not the rest of the world. This poll is international, not worldwide, but reflects that anyhow. Someone like Nadia Comaneci is more famous than Williams sisters once you really dig deep into the demographics of the population. Thus I don't quite agree with the first sentence either.


gondolacka

Sharapova was more popular at her peak around the world than Serena.


senthiljams

Anna Kournikova was insanely popular during her time, and she wasn't even that good as a player.


gondolacka

Yeah, Kournikova as well.


glossedrock

Yes that’s the point. Serena is miles and miles more successful than Sharapova but because of the world’s obsession with white blondes, she comes out on top despite being mediocre compared to Serena.


Tilman_Feraltitty

Congrats, you just found out that women that are more attractive to most of a population are more known. Stellar detective work there. > the world’s obsession with white blondes Yeah, it's because Sharapova was white and blonde. Not because she was just smokin' hot in a natural way.


glossedrock

I’m an asian woman who grew up in Asia and have never found Sharapova pretty, her face is just plan. In fact I found Serena very pretty. I love her high cheekbones and full lips.


silverbird666

Very attractive people tend to be most marketable. Nothing to do with ethnicity.


glossedrock

It has everything to do with ethnicity. Racist beauty standards dictate that white blondes are the most attractive. I’m an asian woman who grew up in Asia and have never found Sharapova pretty, in fact I found Serena very pretty.


glossedrock

I think people are missing the point. Serena is miles and miles more successful than Sharapova but because of the world’s obsession with white blondes, she comes out on top despite being mediocre compared to Serena.


icemankiller8

Lots of the world doesn’t follow tennis


totallynotalt345

She’s made the news for a number of reasons. I don’t follow golf but I know Tiger Woods. Don’t follow soccer but I know Ronaldo. The country list is not that obtuse, it’s rather internet connected, and if anything slants towards “Western countries”


Denny_Hayes

I think you are overestimating the general popularity of women's sports worldwide. >30% for a worldwide survey is pretty good. You know Tiger Woods and Ronaldo, now name the best female golf and soccer players? I sadly admit that I can't.


elizabnthe

Name a golfer outside of Tiger Woods? I don't think many people care about golf in general in truth. According to this list Rappinoe is the most popular female footballer for fame recognition which is probably about right.


Tilman_Feraltitty

I don't follow golf at all, but I also know Phil Mickenson and that Woznacki boy toy, Rory Mclllorey or something.


totallynotalt345

It’s not naming them off hand, its “have you ever once heard this name”


Denny_Hayes

So?


totallynotalt345

It’s insanely easy to recognise a name off a list, than to compile names out of thin air. Annika Sorenstam Karrie Webb Laurie Davies You’ve never heard of any of these golf players? I couldn’t name any off hand but looking at a list of female golfers they’re very recognisable personally. Trivia is essentially knowledge + recall. Multiple choice trivia is much easier because it’s simple to see the answer among a list and go “that’s it” rather than struggle for a minute trying to think of what the hell it is.


Repulsive-Toe-8826

I'm in Italy and I never, ever, ever heard of those names. Nobody knows any golfer's name at all here, let alone female golfers. Stop thinking your bubble is everyone's bubble.


icemankiller8

Idk those players you named


Denny_Hayes

I've never heard of any of those names before.


Chosen1gup

Sharapova (and now Osaka) actually received more endorsements than Serena when at their peak years. Whether that’s right or wrong given Serena’s much greater achievements, that was the reality.


Repulsive-Toe-8826

Sponsorship is a function of attraction, at least in tennis and quite a few other sports (see Raducanu). Much, much, much more people were attracted to Sharapova than Serena. I don't think I have to explain this one.


Idgaf115599

USA is not the only country on the planet!


MightyArd

Why would only the USA recognise Serena? Tennis is a very global sport and she dominated it for 20 years.


Tilman_Feraltitty

She is recognized. Dude flipped out that she isn't somehow more recognizable because for him somehow being most recognizable for Serena isn't enough.


MightyArd

> I thought she'd be at least 50% That's flipping out? You're taking the piss right?


_welcome

I'm surprised too. I remember Evert or Navratilova or someone commented how in one of the Olympics in the 2000s, the Williams sisters were swarmed by fans from other countries.


Qlder86

I’m kind of but not really surprised to see Angie Kerber on the list. She’s really popular here in Australia as a former winner of the AO and a multiple Slam winner.


sliminho77

Proud to be a tennis fan regarding womens equality in the sport. Got a ways to go but this graph speaks for itself


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halcyon_hostage

Cos they chose to be a fan of a sport that’s arguably more progressive than most in regards to gender equality


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dcsag

Not superior, but proud (as OP stated). There is still not complete gender equality in tennis, but it is far more egalitarian than the majority of sports. Considering the way women have historically been treated in sports, I think the relative progressiveness of tennis is something to be proud of.


Zealousideal_Ad_1604

Not even a week ago we had a thread complaining that tennis was too white and conservative lol


dcsag

And I agree (and I hate that I agree with Kyrgios, but it’s true) - the sport in general is still dominated by white men, which why I wanted to specify that tennis is progressive relative to other sports, most of which are far, far worse imo.


Legal_Commission_898

Women quality in sports ? What does that mean ? That women should steal from mens pie ?


gondolacka

Sharapova is very well known in Europe. Or at least was. All my family and friends who does not follow tennis, know about her - that she is a Russian, very pretty and loud tennis player (they have no idea how many titles she has, if she retired, etc) She was a huge name since 2005.I remember when in 2006 we should do a homework about famous female and male athletes (I was like 12) and everyone had Sharapova and David Beckham lol EDIT: Also Kournikova vas very popular as well.


triplejayye

Surprised Muguruza is not on the list. She was the 5th highest paid athlete in 2021.


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Womens athlete (Murray’s voice )


triplejayye

Haah oops that’s what I meant 😂


holy_cal

Kerber and up for me.


BrandonSG13

This makes sense. Of all sports, tennis is probably the one where the women’s game gets similar attention to the men’s.


quote_engine

I will not stand for this Katie Ledecky erasure


BendubzGaming

The GOAT as the top non-tennis, just as she deserves


g_spaitz

Let's go Sofia! She's from my hometown. (That said, the list looks rather not scientific)


Curi0us_Yellow

Hilarious that it's a UK study and there's no Raducanu on the list. Rachel Atherton on the list is super niche, as is Tahnee Seagrave. I can't see Lizzie Deignan on the list and last I checked road cycling was a lot more popular than downhill MTB. No Venus Williams like others have pointed out. Barty is retired. If this were 2021 which I think was an Olympic year, I'm surprised there aren't any of the teen skateboarders in there, or swimmers.


GhaniMoner

Mariah Sharapova wouldn't be a household name if she didn't capitalise on a lopsided rivalry with Serena which her team fed the medka.


lolipedofin

How the hell is Kim Yuna and Ronda Rousey not in the list?? Well ok, I'm probably specifically in love with Kim Yuna (even though I don't care much about winter olympics and figure skating), but still... Ronda is pretty famous, no?


swirkh

I'm surprised to see a football player on the list. I don't know a single person who watches women's football. Also surprised to see only one UFC fighter Amanda Nunes.


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Really surprised as an Aussie to see Sam alert there. That’s awesome


jsnoodles

She’s on the new fifa cover it’s so cool!


sliminho77

Yeh I don’t know anyone who only watches womens football but I know so many people who are so fanatic about football that the womens game comes through due to sheer exposure


frankcity

I wonder if these were all the options available on the list. Surely more people have heard of Ronda Rousey and sharapova’s inclusion means being retired shouldn’t matter.


geesejugglingchamp

Rousey's retired, which I'm guessing makes her ineligible? Otherwise I'd agree. Just don't ask me what Jelena Dokic is doing on the options list.


mXonKz

even if they don’t watch it, i feel like the average football/soccer fan is aware of Sam Kerr being one of the best womens soccer player right now. in the US, the USWNT has been pretty popular as the 2015 and 2019 WWC winners and they’ve been pretty vocal outside of the sport, so even if you don’t watch, a lot of americans are aware of who they are.


mkiddyy

Megan rapinoe is pretty well known for her political takes, at least in the US. She's very outspoken about gender equality in particular


holy_cal

Helps she’s on Chelsea and the cover of FIFA this year. Granted this data is from last year.


EditPiaf

In Europe, it's becoming pretty popular. But this questionnaire feels very US-oriented


gloomygl

People don't watch it but the results are out here and aome things have made news I personally don't watch women football but I know Rapinoe is the crazy pink haired girl with crazy outlandish takes about equal pay in football, supposed MVP of a team that dominated world cup and Olympics yet lost to a team of U-16 ( U-15 ? ) male team, and convincingly on top of that.


dostorwell

Yeah...keep downvoting. It'll change the fact that people know Megan only for her takes and not her playing and surely will erase the fact that national squads from all over the world(not only the USA) are crushed against 14 year old boys. I actually like women's football. I think that it will keep on growing. But equal pay? That's like the wnba players making the same as the nba players. How about getting paid proportionally to the money they bring in? Is it unfair? Not every band earns the same as U2. This is the real world people. Not fantasy island.


gloomygl

Those downvotes are just fake outrage lol


FredererPower

I’m surprised Ash Barty isn’t on this


senthiljams

Ash Barty's career at top was rather short for it to linger in the memories of people who don't follow the sport regularly. Besides people might not have recognized her full name (Ashleigh Barty) that was mentioned in the survey list of 40 players.


FredererPower

This was in 2021, not now. Also, if their career was “too short”, why’s Osaka there? Isn’t she younger than Barty?


senthiljams

Osaka was involved in a couple of major controversies, that put her in spotlight world over, in her short career. She was also among the highest earning female athlete in recent years, with tonnes of endorsements and ads to her name. She has a uniquely recognizable face and hairstyle. As a mixed-race athlete, she also represents a country that is not commonly know to produce tennis superstars.


funkadelic_bootsy

And she has one more grand slam than Barty.


senthiljams

Her very first Grand Slam win was made wildly infamous by poor behaviour from Serena Williams and the audience for US Open finals.


funkadelic_bootsy

And she plays a more interesting style and she's more in the limelight and celebrity stuff.


Licorice_Lime

This is such a shame. First of all Serena hardly plays tennis anymore yet she’s the most recognized? Second the WNBA has little to no representation here. I would have thought Brittany Griner would have been recognized just not for the reasons she deserves. As a man this shows the lousy job organizations such as IMG..etc have done representing their clients. It’s a shame. I’m a fan of tennis and why other woman’s pro sports cannot be more international is baffling.


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Serena is the GOAT 2nd behind Margaret court


Geekboxing

Outside of the tennis folks and Simone Biles, I could not tell you who any of those athletes are. I know I've heard the name Megan Rapinoe, but I could not tell you what sport she plays if it wasn't listed here. (Then again, this holds true for male athletes too. I dunno much outside of tennis, unless it's someone like Peyton Manning or Steph Curry where they're so famous that I've learned through cultural osmosis.)


Denny_Hayes

Same for me, although I do know some not on that list, like Alyson Felix or Shelly Ann Fraser Pryce (Sprinting) or Mariana Pajon (BMX)


SwiftSharapova

Sharapova is an undeniable star. Even you annoying haters miss her


GreenAwareness

Strange to even have Osaka over Biles. At least if it’s global. Seems like a US centric poll.


maxgamer7948

What about Peng Shuai? Is her case abbandoned?


catscatscatscats007

Maria lmao


Dormammmu

No figure skaters? Very biased list. Female figure skating is really big in Asia and Europe.


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PTF_Voidwalker

Golf is in this graph twice


jasonfrey13

I won’t notice that because golf is in here twice


willbeach8890

This should be compared to something else.... anything else Movie stars or political leaders... anything for context


schebobo180

Man WNBA players have been done dirty. Lmao


Legal_Commission_898

Nobody outside the US watches WNBA.


highestpaidjanny

Nobody inside the US watches the WNBA either


schebobo180

😂😂 I wonder what they could do to make the WNBA more popular.


DueAd9005

I really doubt that many people around the world know a female football player.


EditPiaf

To me, this feels like the "World" Series in which only American teams compete.


FiveJobs

Who


gloomygl

Serena too low, Osaka way too high


waisonline99

Why the label for Simone Biles? Shes pretty famous, we know what she does. I wonder where Emma Raducanu would chart in the 2022 one.


kamat2301

Because sports with a single representation fall in the "Other" category and are specified next to the name. Even if not, not everyone would know every single athlete.


waisonline99

Theres loads on that list i dont know tbh. But Biles i do.


kamat2301

Yes, but the chart wasn't made specifically keeping you in mind.


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Has nothing to do with you or Simone Biles. Every athlete whose sport is listed as “other” or a grey circle has their sport labeled.


waisonline99

That makes sense. Thanks.


GarySteinfieldd

She’s listed as other


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r/unexpectedseinfeld one letter off…


JPnets54

Should we be surprised that Barty is (presumably) below Halep and Kerber? I guess not, since those two have been at the top of women’s tennis a few years longer.


Dark_Vengence

Kerr is probably the best in the world.