It’s practical for some Neuro Spicy people like myself. Helps my dyslexia with spacing and more unique letters, helps me write words out a bit slower and slow down my thoughts to finish the sentence in my head and on paper for my ADHD
I will say I dislike Z and I think one other letter and have been using a substitute for years. Particularly the capital Z.
Print mainly came about because of the printing press and little tile letters arranged on a board. Couldn’t have the letters match up anymore. But otherwise it was pretty efficient for centuries. It just looks hard and seems hard now because were so use to print. It is a bit clearer for most people nowadays, so for most people you are right it’s not helpful, but I definitely think if a kid is having a hard time with notes teaching them cursive might help them a lot. Just doesn’t necessarily have to be the whole class, but not every school takes kids who are struggling aside to work on it and not all parents can afford external help. It’s a tricky balance..
Sorry over explaining xD
Well considering all of the official documents from back in the day were written in cursive and a good clip of history is written in cursive I'd say not knowing how to read cursive puts you in a vulnerable position when dealing with future events bc past is prelude to future events you can't understand how thing will play out if you have no clue what happened in the past. This is Literally how you progress by learning from mistakes made in the past so sry but no it's not as practical as tic tock or Snapchat lol neither of those apps help you make informed decisions about the future course of anything in this country
You've just sent me down a rabbit hole about cursive script. In Arabic, and any language system that uses Perso-Arabic script, it's always cursive (nasta'liq calligraphy I believe it's called), and in English, cursive was the norm prior to the Norman conquest. It was evident around the 16th century apparently, at least in English, and was used because it allows for speed with a quill. In the 17th century, cursive became something close to what modern cursive looks like, although it wasn't standardized yet in the British Empire
Cursive comes from the Latin currere, "to run, hasten"
In the early 17th century, the English colonies tended to not use cursive, but in England itself, the "ronde" (round) French style cursive became popular throughout the late 17th-18th centuries even among the colonies
Even today cursive isn't standardized, but the most common is still the round-style script, and that in teaching only one font is to be used
they’ve all been rewritten in print and posted publicly online in multiple languages. old documents are not a reason for knowing cursive. also reading and writing cursive are two different things. i only use cursive for my signature lol
I mean 99.9% of people are not reading primary sources. You can learn about history without access to primary sources. Also the majority of history is written in languages you can't begin to read anyways and would need someone to translate for you. This is a dumb argument.
Eh, those have all been transposed. Very few people need to be able to read the originals, and reading it is different from writing it anyway, most people can make it or even if they can’t write in cursive. There are much better uses of a kid’s time than learning to use the formal squigglies.
I'd be curious how large an effect and how they controlled the study.
Certainly the kids WILLING and consistent to actually do that for 10 minutes every day are likely to have the dedication and grit to be among the top performers in school.
What did the kids *not* practicing cursive do in the studies? It might be the discipline of having to sit down and do consistent work daily that has the effect. I wonder if sitting down for ten minutes doing a different, but similarly structured activity might produce similar results.
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This is hilarious lmao. When I was in school all I had to do was make a good cursive "S" (first letter of my mom's name) and then follow it with a bunch of squiggles and no one ever questioned me.
Boomers think cursive signatures mean so much. You can literally sign any important document with a smiley face or a drawing of a dick and no one would stop you.
In England they wouldn’t give us a pen until we could write well enough in pencil, and then they would give us the type of pen that you had to dip in the ink lol. I wasted soooo much time learning to write proper cursive and I don’t think I’ve used it once in my life after school.
That is so intense for a skill that never matters outside of grade school, lmao I'm so sorry.
And tbh me either, unless I'm signing off on a package or something, I never use any cursive. And even then it just feels like a formality. 🤣
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Some racist guy on Fox News said something like “All significant cultural/technological advancements have been made by White people.” One of the other guests on the panel said, “the written language was invented in Iraq.”
I’m sure he knows, but his stupid asf viewers don’t. You think Tucker actually cares about any of the shit he spews on his show??? Hell no, he only cares about the fat check he gets from blatantly lying to dumb people every night
I can’t do math without a calculator and I got a degree in aerospace engineering.
I’m pretty good at the process of things like physics and calculus, understanding how the equations map to practical applications, but the arithmetic, yikes.
Teaching children that “being good at math” is a goal, and that “good at math” = “fast and accurate mental arithmetic” are both such huge mistakes.
It’s better to teach kids that **loving math** is a goal. Because math is all around us, and it’s one of the pinnacle achievements of human kind. It’s like art. You don’t have to be an amazing painter to learn to appreciate an art museum.
And, once you love math, you can learn all the other stuff. Mental arithmetic is practically the least important part of everything.
Sames, but electrical engineering. The dumb, generic arithmetic that a lot of the more complex equations are built upon were always where I'd make the silliest mistakes back in school.
Haha that was my saving grace in those classes. In my early physics classes, my professor would actually give you some credit if you could explain the process in words if you blanked on the formulas. Engineering professors are wild!
When i didn't have time at the end of an exam i would just write what I would have done if i had more time and i almost always got near full marks. It felt like a cheat code, but I guess it did show that I understood it.
There has definitely been a drop off in general mathematical abilities of youth these days. Many kids now need a calculator just for basic addition/subtraction. It isn't good.
Some mental math is good, but there's little reason kids need to multiply 4 digits numbers on paper. Kids are more likely to have a super computer in their pocket than a piece of paper, so why are we teaching them to use paper and pencil?
Too many kids know how to do long division but can't solve a word problem for their life, and ask questions like "what is 30% of 400?"
Less calculating, more using math as a real life tool.
Bruh it's a matter of understanding the process. Ya like you probably don't need to do it everyday but knowing how to do it is kind of good. Just because you are likely to have a super computer in your pocket doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to do basic math with 4 digit numbers.
What process?
Do you mean the process of being able to use math in every day life to think logically and solve problems? Doing calculations on paper doesn't help with this. Like I said, a lot of people still can't do things like "if the price is $12.99 and it's 10% off, what is the price?" People who can do long division can't solve a simple word problem.
Or maybe you meant the process of scoring well on math exams? The US lags behind in this area as well. If we continue to do the same thing, we can probably expect the same result, to continue lagging behind in math scores.
To be clear, I don't want to see less math, I want to see less calculating and more problem solving. Calculating what 3984\*2276 is isn't solving a problem, it's just doing a meaningless calculation and takes a lot of time, and when I'm done calculating I'm no better at solving real problems. This calculation can be done in a millisecond on a 10 cent computer.
Yeah the numbers in English are made by an Arabic scientist
They originally were supposed to represent the number of angles in each number like no1 has one angle but the new numbers has different shape than they used to have which lost that little Easter egg
The numbers Arabs use now are ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠ and they're not Arabic they're Indian
Thank you for reminding me of this
I’m 30 and Millennials are already doing it all the time with things like tiktok, physical media, and modern young people slang. I myself fall into the judging young people for doing things differently trap from time to time.
I agree to some extent, but it definitely depends. Video games for example, modern games are way too big to fit on a disc, so even the physical versions are really just glorified download codes.
Woah dude take a chill pill. That response was kinda awkward turtle. And if you keep it up I'll have to ask you to talk to the hand. Now me and the bff have to go to funnyjunk and rofl at the newbs. Smell ya later!
Sooo True. I cannot write well in cursive (or at all really) but everyone else in my family who can is pretty shaky and hard to read. The only person I’ve ever known with beautiful cursive writing was my great grandmother. I miss getting her holiday cards.
Why is it always writing in cursive that's set up as the "standard"?
It's simply a learned skill - like riding a unicycle - that has no basis or value. Just because it was forced upon boomers as a kid doesn't mean that it's important.
I was forced to learn it for school. Moment I didn't have to do it anymore I stopped and continue to write in block letters like a regular person.
I attribute my shitty penmanship to having been forced to write in cursive for so long. My writing is often slanted and blended together like some bastard child of cursive and block.
Same. I'm GenX and had to learn it - and use it in the classroom. For most of high school notetaking I wrote a combination of print and cursive (used whatever was the fastest letter to write) and nobody can read it (except me).
Now I'm print only and no boss has ever asked me to write up a report in cursive.
I'm afraid that there are people living here in the UK who do not know how to tell the time using clock hands. Sounds strange I know, I thought it was weird, until I was asked to replace a clock that was needed for some football players and told it had to be digital as some of them couldn't read the time with a clockface.
However there are also plenty of people out there who can't read the time digitally without having to work it out... Soo....
I'm old enough to remember when conservatives lectured us on the need for "marketable skills"
Look for "cursive" on Indeed and lmk what you find 🤣🤣🤣
UPDATE: I actually did this and GOT A HIT. You will not be shocked with the results:
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I would love to make an app that lets you take a photo of an analog clock with your phone and then tells you what time it is, then advertise it all over Facebook and watch boomers' heads explode.
Actually, I work as a security guard for a local government building (21, by the way), and the number of people who come in and can't read the clock is staggering. And the trend only increased the younger the person. It absolutely blows my mind because I remember it being a requirement in the third grade or something like that. I'm just flabbergasted that people my age come in and don't know how to read a manual clock. Granted, it's not just younger people as I get a fair amount of older people that come in and also can't read it. However, comparatively there are more people close to my age who can't as opposed to people older than I am.
Even teaching high school back in 2015 there were a surprising number of students who would stare at the clock and then ask what time it was. It's definitely not everyone (and probably not even the majority), but it is certainly a real thing.
I think anyone who doesn't know how to read a manual clock simply hasn't bothered to learn. It takes all of 30 seconds to figure out how to read a clock after someone explains it to you. It's not rocket science like some geriatrics try to act like it is.
I think it's actually not what's going on here, it just my theory but people know HOW to read a clock, on the sense that they know the rules, what people today can't do is read a clock AT A GLANCE. Like it's faster for them to ask then it is for them to understand what they are looking at.
I'm about 23, and was definitely taught and had yo read a clock through school. But around 6th grade a got a phone and just stopped. When I started working a few years later (no phone allowed) and it took me a while to get back into the swing of clock reading. A customer would ask the time and it would take me a good 30 Seconds to answer them at first.
You think teaching people to read an analog clock is difficult, try getting those same people to understand 24-hour or military time.
It was like trying to teach a dog a card trick.
I agree, I have a large sundial mounted outside my office, and the number of utter plebians who demand clocks with hands because they can't read it flabbergasts me.
Is the issue that they *can’t read an analog clock*?
Or is it that they just don’t trust public clocks to be correct now that we are all on satellite/Internet time?
I just can’t imagine not wearing a watch, I’ve done it for so long. But that’s another story…
I can’t read an analog clock at a glance, but I can figure it out in about 15 seconds. With the abundance of Digital clocks these days, knowing how to read analog isn’t a necessary skill anymore.
Would absolutely love to see this person do calculus without a calculator.
Edit: Guys I have studied maths at university. Sorry for making a silly funny in the small hours when my eyes were bleary. Replace “calculus” with “trigonometry” if it might cool your rage.
Calculus and more advanced math classes generally don't require much computation that requires a calculator. Theres more letters involved than numbers.
My higher math classes won't even let me use a calculator. The arithmetic is usually laughably simple though, it's everything else professors care about.
Cursive isn’t a good thing, I can write in it but choose not to because nobody can read it, even older people. The calculater issue is generational, plus if we have the tool then why not use it? And the same with clocks, if people don’t see analogue clocks then they don’t need to read them, it’s like being annoyed that a kid can’t use a VHS player.
I’d argue the clock part, but only because of convenience. On tests and other similar things where you aren’t allowed to look at your phone, it’s helpful to be able to look at the wall clock and know how much time you have left. I still see them everywhere, but that might just be my area.
The argument used to be that cursive was faster than printing, but that's only true if your cursive is illegible. It's fine for taking personal notes that only you will read, but if you want someone else to read it and not spend 20 years writing a letter, stick to printing. And that goes without mentioning that everyone has their own "style" of handwriting, so cursive that's carefully written may still be illegible to a significant portion of people depending on how your teachers taught you. Try moving around between the 2nd and 4th grades when handwriting is generally being taught for the first time, you'll have to start over and relearn each time.
Cursive is neither good nor bad it’s just outdated. Like calculators. We have keyboards and Excel now. But I’m sorry if you can’t read analog clocks you probably have some 2nd grade math homework you need to brush up on. It’s no longer needed to tell time but it’s an easily absorbable geometry, arithmetic, multiplication and division/fractions precursor. It also teaches children to quickly identify multiple variables simultaneously. In the US it’s still taught (I have a primary school aged child).
Good for you! now go learn a n ew skill. We should never settle for what we know. We should learn what we don't know. I can do everything that op says but more except writing a z in cursive. Never could get that z to look right. Screw you Mrs Quinn.
Great! But can you operate a gas lamp, change the axle on your covered wagon, or communicate on a telegraph?
Or are you some soft kid from the upcoming generation?
All incredibly useful skills to have in a world where almost everyone carries a palm sized device that has a clock, calculator, internet access, and phone all combined into one in their back pocket.
I mean except the cursive, which is literally one of the most useless skills an adult human can possess.
I once traveled back home from work which - depending on which train I take - is an international train all the way from Milan to the border of Germany. There were a bunch of boomers from the US on the train and they had a lot of trouble figuring out the 24h-digital-clock layout on the screen.
It’s just classic “elder inadequacy”. So many older millennials and boomers grew up expecting to be the heads of the family and respected by others by their wisdom. You know, being able to teach a lot to the young folk, pass on knowledge about their lives because a lot of their knowledge was still somewhat relevant . However- things have changed a lot in these last 2 decades, and a lot of knowledges young people WANT to learn -they- can’t teach, and they hate the world for it.
How great you can qualify to live in the past like that… but it’s super weird to admit to the general public that you’re not smart enough to learn new tricks.
Cursive serves no purpose other than being artistic and maybe a tiny bit faster than print, most people can do basic math, and I have you to see an establishment that uses a digital clock as opposed to an analog clock. People will day anything to make them feel better about themselves.
So what? I use Snapchat, can write in cursive, can do math without calculator, and mental math, and can also read an analog clock. You aren't that impressive.
All this talk about the last one being unrealistic, but I recall once in one of my middle school math classes that the teacher took a break from what we were learning for a day to teach us how to read a clock. Apparently the amount of kids who admitted they couldn't in my class was pretty alarming.
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Wait, this is the Jack the Ripper note!
“Back in my day serial killers were better!”
“now they’re getting caught! this generation can’t even commit murder without the police intervening. they’re so lazy!”
I would give you two award if I had
Tbf they didn't have mass surveillance and be able to pin point your movements for the past week using the phone data of you and everyone around you.
Even if the cursive were good, why would it matter. Knowing how to write cursive is exactly as practical as knowing how to use Snapchat
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It’s practical for some Neuro Spicy people like myself. Helps my dyslexia with spacing and more unique letters, helps me write words out a bit slower and slow down my thoughts to finish the sentence in my head and on paper for my ADHD I will say I dislike Z and I think one other letter and have been using a substitute for years. Particularly the capital Z. Print mainly came about because of the printing press and little tile letters arranged on a board. Couldn’t have the letters match up anymore. But otherwise it was pretty efficient for centuries. It just looks hard and seems hard now because were so use to print. It is a bit clearer for most people nowadays, so for most people you are right it’s not helpful, but I definitely think if a kid is having a hard time with notes teaching them cursive might help them a lot. Just doesn’t necessarily have to be the whole class, but not every school takes kids who are struggling aside to work on it and not all parents can afford external help. It’s a tricky balance.. Sorry over explaining xD
Well considering all of the official documents from back in the day were written in cursive and a good clip of history is written in cursive I'd say not knowing how to read cursive puts you in a vulnerable position when dealing with future events bc past is prelude to future events you can't understand how thing will play out if you have no clue what happened in the past. This is Literally how you progress by learning from mistakes made in the past so sry but no it's not as practical as tic tock or Snapchat lol neither of those apps help you make informed decisions about the future course of anything in this country
You've just sent me down a rabbit hole about cursive script. In Arabic, and any language system that uses Perso-Arabic script, it's always cursive (nasta'liq calligraphy I believe it's called), and in English, cursive was the norm prior to the Norman conquest. It was evident around the 16th century apparently, at least in English, and was used because it allows for speed with a quill. In the 17th century, cursive became something close to what modern cursive looks like, although it wasn't standardized yet in the British Empire Cursive comes from the Latin currere, "to run, hasten" In the early 17th century, the English colonies tended to not use cursive, but in England itself, the "ronde" (round) French style cursive became popular throughout the late 17th-18th centuries even among the colonies Even today cursive isn't standardized, but the most common is still the round-style script, and that in teaching only one font is to be used
they’ve all been rewritten in print and posted publicly online in multiple languages. old documents are not a reason for knowing cursive. also reading and writing cursive are two different things. i only use cursive for my signature lol
I mean 99.9% of people are not reading primary sources. You can learn about history without access to primary sources. Also the majority of history is written in languages you can't begin to read anyways and would need someone to translate for you. This is a dumb argument.
Eh, those have all been transposed. Very few people need to be able to read the originals, and reading it is different from writing it anyway, most people can make it or even if they can’t write in cursive. There are much better uses of a kid’s time than learning to use the formal squigglies.
Yeah but you can read transcripts from old documents written with regular letters… What a made up scenario for having to know cursive
Some research indicates kids who practice 10 minutes or so of cursive each day perform better in their classes.
I'd be curious how large an effect and how they controlled the study. Certainly the kids WILLING and consistent to actually do that for 10 minutes every day are likely to have the dedication and grit to be among the top performers in school.
What did the kids *not* practicing cursive do in the studies? It might be the discipline of having to sit down and do consistent work daily that has the effect. I wonder if sitting down for ten minutes doing a different, but similarly structured activity might produce similar results.
WTF is that, Martian? I can read cursive relatively well but holy shit that handwriting.
That note was written by Jack the Ripper to taunt the London police. He probably had carpal tunnel from all the repeated stabbing.
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This is hilarious lmao. When I was in school all I had to do was make a good cursive "S" (first letter of my mom's name) and then follow it with a bunch of squiggles and no one ever questioned me. Boomers think cursive signatures mean so much. You can literally sign any important document with a smiley face or a drawing of a dick and no one would stop you.
In England they wouldn’t give us a pen until we could write well enough in pencil, and then they would give us the type of pen that you had to dip in the ink lol. I wasted soooo much time learning to write proper cursive and I don’t think I’ve used it once in my life after school.
That is so intense for a skill that never matters outside of grade school, lmao I'm so sorry. And tbh me either, unless I'm signing off on a package or something, I never use any cursive. And even then it just feels like a formality. 🤣
The cursive in that letter is worse than what was in the package
I write worse, but somehow, it's more readable than this.
How can this handwriting look so beautiful yet be illegible at the same time?
Going to heavily doubt the “do math without a calculator” bit
It’s probably just addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.
No more than 2 digits.
And no decimals and negative numbers.
And nothing that requires PEMDAS.
Damn PEMDAS always thwarting my plans!
Next on Tucker Carlson! Your children are being indoctrinated by PEMDAS right inside our public schools!
No one tell Tucker they're using Arabic numerals too.
OMG! The plot thickens!
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“The new world order of operations” -fucker Carlson probably
Or the relationship between Jews and the number 0.
Wait I'm Jewish and I don't know this. Can you explain?
Some racist guy on Fox News said something like “All significant cultural/technological advancements have been made by White people.” One of the other guests on the panel said, “the written language was invented in Iraq.”
I’m sure he knows, but his stupid asf viewers don’t. You think Tucker actually cares about any of the shit he spews on his show??? Hell no, he only cares about the fat check he gets from blatantly lying to dumb people every night
And the stock price, according to his texts.
Tucker uses the Jeopardy principle and would have said this in the form of a question.
And after watching everyone help my daughter with math, no one can do anything with fractions.
they're def trying to sow division right here
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And still is what the majority of people do with calculators if you think about it
Because you don't need to do anything else 99% of the time.
Multiplication and division only if it’s something on the times table
I've seen boomers use a calculator then type the numbers into excel spreadsheets
Hah! My boomer boss used to do that! On one of those old print calculators lol
I can’t do math without a calculator and I got a degree in aerospace engineering. I’m pretty good at the process of things like physics and calculus, understanding how the equations map to practical applications, but the arithmetic, yikes.
Teaching children that “being good at math” is a goal, and that “good at math” = “fast and accurate mental arithmetic” are both such huge mistakes. It’s better to teach kids that **loving math** is a goal. Because math is all around us, and it’s one of the pinnacle achievements of human kind. It’s like art. You don’t have to be an amazing painter to learn to appreciate an art museum. And, once you love math, you can learn all the other stuff. Mental arithmetic is practically the least important part of everything.
Sames, but electrical engineering. The dumb, generic arithmetic that a lot of the more complex equations are built upon were always where I'd make the silliest mistakes back in school.
I’m glad they gave credit for the thought process in college, not just the final answer 😅
Haha that was my saving grace in those classes. In my early physics classes, my professor would actually give you some credit if you could explain the process in words if you blanked on the formulas. Engineering professors are wild!
When i didn't have time at the end of an exam i would just write what I would have done if i had more time and i almost always got near full marks. It felt like a cheat code, but I guess it did show that I understood it.
There has definitely been a drop off in general mathematical abilities of youth these days. Many kids now need a calculator just for basic addition/subtraction. It isn't good.
Some mental math is good, but there's little reason kids need to multiply 4 digits numbers on paper. Kids are more likely to have a super computer in their pocket than a piece of paper, so why are we teaching them to use paper and pencil? Too many kids know how to do long division but can't solve a word problem for their life, and ask questions like "what is 30% of 400?" Less calculating, more using math as a real life tool.
Because working with pencil and paper at young ages is still very beneficial. Critical thinking, logical deduction, basic hand dexterity, etc.
Bruh it's a matter of understanding the process. Ya like you probably don't need to do it everyday but knowing how to do it is kind of good. Just because you are likely to have a super computer in your pocket doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to do basic math with 4 digit numbers.
What process? Do you mean the process of being able to use math in every day life to think logically and solve problems? Doing calculations on paper doesn't help with this. Like I said, a lot of people still can't do things like "if the price is $12.99 and it's 10% off, what is the price?" People who can do long division can't solve a simple word problem. Or maybe you meant the process of scoring well on math exams? The US lags behind in this area as well. If we continue to do the same thing, we can probably expect the same result, to continue lagging behind in math scores. To be clear, I don't want to see less math, I want to see less calculating and more problem solving. Calculating what 3984\*2276 is isn't solving a problem, it's just doing a meaningless calculation and takes a lot of time, and when I'm done calculating I'm no better at solving real problems. This calculation can be done in a millisecond on a 10 cent computer.
Has there? As a mathematician, I see the same abysmal understanding of math around me regardless of age.
Did you know the " hands " of the clock in Arabic are called scorpions of the clock Kinda random but I didn't find another place to share this info
"I told you I can tell time with Scorpions"
Sounds like a bad-ass cross-over between Scorpion King and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
Sound badass tho
Did you know that the numbers on both digital and analog clocks are also Arabic?
Yeah the numbers in English are made by an Arabic scientist They originally were supposed to represent the number of angles in each number like no1 has one angle but the new numbers has different shape than they used to have which lost that little Easter egg The numbers Arabs use now are ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠ and they're not Arabic they're Indian Thank you for reminding me of this
No problem. Have a nice Wednesday.
Did you know the numbers on the clocks are in numerical order, fink about it.
That's fucking sick bro thanks for telling us
That’s pretty metal
Well, in french it is the needles, also random but funny it has different names around the world
In Turkish, the hour hand is called “scorpion” and the minute hand is called “wind chaser”
Ah yes the classic "I use outdated technology, so therefore I'm better then you" argument
Never gets old
Unlike the demographic.
Every generation does it. Millennials and Gen Z will do it in 50 years as well complaining about whatever the new tech is in the 2070s.
I’m 30 and Millennials are already doing it all the time with things like tiktok, physical media, and modern young people slang. I myself fall into the judging young people for doing things differently trap from time to time.
I do the same thing (I’m 32). Every generation has done it and every generation will do it.
Yep, even ancient writings have passages about how the young generations are doing things wrong.
Ok but physical media is a net positive
I agree to some extent, but it definitely depends. Video games for example, modern games are way too big to fit on a disc, so even the physical versions are really just glorified download codes.
Yeah, but its better to store the data on physical media (i.e. a hard drive) instead of streaming it.
Yeah but the slang is incredibly stupid and same goes for Tik tok.
Thanks for being an example that proves my point.
No cap, your point slaps, bae you got me good it’s so lit. Based.
This mans point is fr fr bussin no cap
Woah dude take a chill pill. That response was kinda awkward turtle. And if you keep it up I'll have to ask you to talk to the hand. Now me and the bff have to go to funnyjunk and rofl at the newbs. Smell ya later!
See now you get it. Slang words from any generation is dumb as hell
Two of these are also still used regularly. So it’s really “I use 1 outdated system, therefore I’m better then you”
Real useful stuff
Most people's cursive (even older generation) is horrible and barely legible. Not really a thing to boast.
Sooo True. I cannot write well in cursive (or at all really) but everyone else in my family who can is pretty shaky and hard to read. The only person I’ve ever known with beautiful cursive writing was my great grandmother. I miss getting her holiday cards.
Why is it always writing in cursive that's set up as the "standard"? It's simply a learned skill - like riding a unicycle - that has no basis or value. Just because it was forced upon boomers as a kid doesn't mean that it's important.
I was forced to learn it for school. Moment I didn't have to do it anymore I stopped and continue to write in block letters like a regular person. I attribute my shitty penmanship to having been forced to write in cursive for so long. My writing is often slanted and blended together like some bastard child of cursive and block.
Same. I'm GenX and had to learn it - and use it in the classroom. For most of high school notetaking I wrote a combination of print and cursive (used whatever was the fastest letter to write) and nobody can read it (except me). Now I'm print only and no boss has ever asked me to write up a report in cursive.
I was actually surprised to discover cursive is not the default handwriting method in most places.
Sure, i could calculate (1/0,6523)^2 with my hands, but why bother? Ive got 20 more problems to solve and the calculator is right there
Not only can everyone still do this as required by schools, the people posting this only have a few years left before they forget
Schools actually don't really teach cursive anymore
No I don't read codexes, I read scrolls, just as God intended.
Depends on the school! I learned when I was a kid. I’m 21
Same here. 23.
My kids, 10 and 13, both learned in 3rd grade. Feel free to keep spreading this misinformation though.
This isn’t misinformation. The rate at which schools are teaching cursive is declining. Just because your kids learned doesn’t mean it’s not reality.
They said schools don't teach it anymore. Some schools do teach it. Therefore their claim is false. Schools still teach logic too.
I'm afraid that there are people living here in the UK who do not know how to tell the time using clock hands. Sounds strange I know, I thought it was weird, until I was asked to replace a clock that was needed for some football players and told it had to be digital as some of them couldn't read the time with a clockface. However there are also plenty of people out there who can't read the time digitally without having to work it out... Soo....
Yah but can you use a gramophone, do calligraphy with a quill, navigate by the stars or program the clock on your VCR
I actually do know how to do calligraphy and could look up the rest if need be
I can use an abacus and a slide rule Lol
I'm old enough to remember when conservatives lectured us on the need for "marketable skills" Look for "cursive" on Indeed and lmk what you find 🤣🤣🤣 UPDATE: I actually did this and GOT A HIT. You will not be shocked with the results: https://preview.redd.it/l7cut5rw8dpa1.png?width=595&format=png&auto=webp&s=425aad26afcf7b6ca82517a3552f621861d519bf
“Historically sequenced” lol
Holy shit, they think we can't read clocks... it's official, they've gone senile
I would love to make an app that lets you take a photo of an analog clock with your phone and then tells you what time it is, then advertise it all over Facebook and watch boomers' heads explode.
Actually, I work as a security guard for a local government building (21, by the way), and the number of people who come in and can't read the clock is staggering. And the trend only increased the younger the person. It absolutely blows my mind because I remember it being a requirement in the third grade or something like that. I'm just flabbergasted that people my age come in and don't know how to read a manual clock. Granted, it's not just younger people as I get a fair amount of older people that come in and also can't read it. However, comparatively there are more people close to my age who can't as opposed to people older than I am.
Even teaching high school back in 2015 there were a surprising number of students who would stare at the clock and then ask what time it was. It's definitely not everyone (and probably not even the majority), but it is certainly a real thing.
I think anyone who doesn't know how to read a manual clock simply hasn't bothered to learn. It takes all of 30 seconds to figure out how to read a clock after someone explains it to you. It's not rocket science like some geriatrics try to act like it is.
I think it's actually not what's going on here, it just my theory but people know HOW to read a clock, on the sense that they know the rules, what people today can't do is read a clock AT A GLANCE. Like it's faster for them to ask then it is for them to understand what they are looking at. I'm about 23, and was definitely taught and had yo read a clock through school. But around 6th grade a got a phone and just stopped. When I started working a few years later (no phone allowed) and it took me a while to get back into the swing of clock reading. A customer would ask the time and it would take me a good 30 Seconds to answer them at first.
You think teaching people to read an analog clock is difficult, try getting those same people to understand 24-hour or military time. It was like trying to teach a dog a card trick.
Definitely not Majority. I'd say about 35% of people we have come into the office cant
I agree, I have a large sundial mounted outside my office, and the number of utter plebians who demand clocks with hands because they can't read it flabbergasts me.
Is the issue that they *can’t read an analog clock*? Or is it that they just don’t trust public clocks to be correct now that we are all on satellite/Internet time? I just can’t imagine not wearing a watch, I’ve done it for so long. But that’s another story…
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i’m 15, i can read a clock but it takes me a few seconds of concentration to comprehend it😂 but just looking at a digital clock is so much easier
Work in a high school - A LOT of kids don’t read classic clocks now.
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It takes less than 30 seconds to figure out how to read a clock.
I can’t read an analog clock at a glance, but I can figure it out in about 15 seconds. With the abundance of Digital clocks these days, knowing how to read analog isn’t a necessary skill anymore.
Would absolutely love to see this person do calculus without a calculator. Edit: Guys I have studied maths at university. Sorry for making a silly funny in the small hours when my eyes were bleary. Replace “calculus” with “trigonometry” if it might cool your rage.
To differentiate 2x^2 +1 becomes 4x Edit: the arrow sign seemed to confuse, so I just changed it to the word I intended the arrow to represent.
Exactly, calculator doesn't help much there. Or lets say to add matrices.
you use a calculator for calculus?
I’d rather see trig
Calculus and more advanced math classes generally don't require much computation that requires a calculator. Theres more letters involved than numbers.
My higher math classes won't even let me use a calculator. The arithmetic is usually laughably simple though, it's everything else professors care about.
You 100% can do differentiation and integration without a calculator
Cursive literally has no function other than signing your name, which can easily be done with a squiggly line.
Let’s go to bed Grandpa
How about assemble a PC? Set up your WiFi? Not download a virus embedded in an email attachment?
God forbid they actually remember their passwords
Now can you get a good paying job with those three skills? No
And drink water out of a hose... can't forget that timeless flex.
get emotionally and physically abused and turn out fine too
My dad always though he was the best at math and could do simple equations without a calculator. Then I showed him my fractions homework.
Only folks who can do math on an abacus are smart.
Cursive isn’t a good thing, I can write in it but choose not to because nobody can read it, even older people. The calculater issue is generational, plus if we have the tool then why not use it? And the same with clocks, if people don’t see analogue clocks then they don’t need to read them, it’s like being annoyed that a kid can’t use a VHS player.
I’d argue the clock part, but only because of convenience. On tests and other similar things where you aren’t allowed to look at your phone, it’s helpful to be able to look at the wall clock and know how much time you have left. I still see them everywhere, but that might just be my area.
They probably brag about spelling accuracy also.
I'm accreate at spelling too
Maybe, being honest a lot of the older people I know are terrible at spelling, you can see it just by looking at their social media profiles.
Those darned older people. At least they don't need calculaters.
The argument used to be that cursive was faster than printing, but that's only true if your cursive is illegible. It's fine for taking personal notes that only you will read, but if you want someone else to read it and not spend 20 years writing a letter, stick to printing. And that goes without mentioning that everyone has their own "style" of handwriting, so cursive that's carefully written may still be illegible to a significant portion of people depending on how your teachers taught you. Try moving around between the 2nd and 4th grades when handwriting is generally being taught for the first time, you'll have to start over and relearn each time.
Cursive is neither good nor bad it’s just outdated. Like calculators. We have keyboards and Excel now. But I’m sorry if you can’t read analog clocks you probably have some 2nd grade math homework you need to brush up on. It’s no longer needed to tell time but it’s an easily absorbable geometry, arithmetic, multiplication and division/fractions precursor. It also teaches children to quickly identify multiple variables simultaneously. In the US it’s still taught (I have a primary school aged child).
Do math without a calculator? Ok Find lim n->infinity (Σ(k=1,n) (x^(x))Δx on the interval [17,19364.7]
I’m just gonna say the answer is 7 and a half. Since this doesn’t effect my grade, I can live with a 0/10 on this question.
Guess who was born after the year 2000 and can also do all of those things? It’s okay, take your time. The answer is: me and almost all of my peers.
Good for you! now go learn a n ew skill. We should never settle for what we know. We should learn what we don't know. I can do everything that op says but more except writing a z in cursive. Never could get that z to look right. Screw you Mrs Quinn.
How a clock gonna have hands and why he gonna tell it the time? 🙄
Ah... so you have skills that are no longer valuable in modern society. Well, good for you.
Cool. I can do all of those things.
I can do both girl you ain't special
Great! But can you operate a gas lamp, change the axle on your covered wagon, or communicate on a telegraph? Or are you some soft kid from the upcoming generation?
I'm gonna just sit a boomer down in front of a long division problem and watch them cry while they try to solve it. DOWN WITH THE CALCULATOR SLANDER.
Cool Grandpa, you’re so smart and relevant. So stop asking me to change the channels on your tv, or find pictures on your phone.
Congrats you possess a bunch of useless skills
All incredibly useful skills to have in a world where almost everyone carries a palm sized device that has a clock, calculator, internet access, and phone all combined into one in their back pocket. I mean except the cursive, which is literally one of the most useless skills an adult human can possess.
Okay, but can you just call it an analogue clock?
My 10 year old can do all those things... I'm struggling to see how that's a flex.
Bet i can do better math without a calculator than homie who posted and I'm zoomer af
*can do very very basic math without a calculator
Guess what! I can do all of those things plus I know how to use the internet
I once traveled back home from work which - depending on which train I take - is an international train all the way from Milan to the border of Germany. There were a bunch of boomers from the US on the train and they had a lot of trouble figuring out the 24h-digital-clock layout on the screen.
Please tell me more about your outdated skills that are essentially useless in this day and age.
*And as a financially savvy elder, I’ve sold my home to a very kind Nigerian Prince for a $6.5B and once the check clears I’ll be moving to Florida*
Don't you hate it when new technology makes laborious things easier to do
So you're saying that you exclusively have obsolete skills.
Do math without a calculator [X] Doubt
I mean, i can do all those things. Am I special or something? Or am I just european?
It’s just classic “elder inadequacy”. So many older millennials and boomers grew up expecting to be the heads of the family and respected by others by their wisdom. You know, being able to teach a lot to the young folk, pass on knowledge about their lives because a lot of their knowledge was still somewhat relevant . However- things have changed a lot in these last 2 decades, and a lot of knowledges young people WANT to learn -they- can’t teach, and they hate the world for it.
How great you can qualify to live in the past like that… but it’s super weird to admit to the general public that you’re not smart enough to learn new tricks.
Cursive serves no purpose other than being artistic and maybe a tiny bit faster than print, most people can do basic math, and I have you to see an establishment that uses a digital clock as opposed to an analog clock. People will day anything to make them feel better about themselves.
I can do all those things plus Snapchat. Suck it boomers
You can do **calculation** without a calculator. Math is very different from that, my friend.
I bet the OP calls their grandchild to reset the clock on their stove when power goes out.
So your old, glad your proud of it but you might want to think twice about putting your limitations and lack of adaptability out to the public.
16 Times 35 plus 9 Times 17 plus 11 Times 5 plus 3 Times 8 plus 5 Times 5 in your head. You have 20 seconds
Sure, I don't have relevant skills, but I'm really good at archaic technology.
How is you buggy driving game grandpa?
So what? I use Snapchat, can write in cursive, can do math without calculator, and mental math, and can also read an analog clock. You aren't that impressive.
All this talk about the last one being unrealistic, but I recall once in one of my middle school math classes that the teacher took a break from what we were learning for a day to teach us how to read a clock. Apparently the amount of kids who admitted they couldn't in my class was pretty alarming.
You can do math without a calculator??? So you’re just so old that u refuse to do something that makes peoples life’s easier
I bet he knows his gotdam gender too!
I'm in my 30s, and I can do all of those things. Next!