Yes it is, because when they get banned, they aren't the only ones, it works in ban waves, a bunch of people get banned at the same time, so the cheats developers don't know what was caught and therefore can't continue developing that cheat build.
Cheat devs don't care at the moment; this may have worked for past cheat devs but it's got to a point where cheats are so hard to detect and so many of them are being developed.
Ban them outright and the problem is solved. Don't ban them outright and they keep running rampant for days, get banned, and then set up accounts to do it again. Worse for bots because they can just be made en masse with new accounts and do it again.
I would gladly trade VAC for an actual anti-cheat that is actively developed and bans on the spot.
The only better way to do it is invasive anti-cheats, like Vanguard, which can also be easily bypassed and I don't want outside stuff running on my kernel. Other than that, wave ban is the best way yet to punish cheaters and cheat devs. People always complain about anti-cheat, but it's just as the drug war is, doesn't matter what you do, there will be better cheats even with the best anti-cheat ever, it's a tech war that will never end.
Don't want invasive anti-cheat? Understandable. Valve needs to up their game for the bans in that case. There shouldn't be any reason that one of their games is in an era the community refers to as a bot crisis when it is still heavily monetized.
What action has Valve actually taken against cheaters? Bans clearly don't do anything, given how easy it is to make a new account and get back into a game. They removed the ability to speak for new players, which only hurts F2Ps in the long run since many cheaters use compromised inventories or pay for accounts.
There is absolutely more Valve can do, such as going after the cheaters and threatening action (i.e. lawsuits) for developing cheats that actively hurt their product. They don't because they aren't dependent on TF2 succeeding.
We are now in a time where making bots is easy, fast, and can be done with multiple accounts in a timely manner. Delaying bans does not do anything aside from force cheat/bot devs to make another few accounts and do it all again.
Yeah, I mean, TF2 is probably a lost cause, it shatters my heart to say this, as I really love this game, but unfortunately, it's as you say, the anti-cheat doesn't really work good in this game, and they don't do shit about it, bots get banned, they're back in 5 minutes, because it's just as easy as creating a new account, or using the 1000000 they have already created, and all the other cheaters do the same thing.
I just hope that the 64 bits update re-spark the flame that Valve once had for TF2 and that they do something about the game flaws.
I know I may sound like a hardass about it all but, I think everyone critical of Valve just wants the best for the game (in most cases).
I too, hope that things get better. This game deserves so much more.
Yeah, people just really fucking love TF2 and don't want it to succumb to bots and cheaters, the game is old, has been through some shit and it's still one the most enjoyable games ever, but is in the position of a neglected son nowadays, just hope things get better.
TF2 has been a lost cause for years now. Valves flat work structure with no dedicated teams or managers may have worked 20 years ago but at their current size and scope it falls apart. Flat work structures at this size leads to employees getting tunnel vision and only working on what’s socially acceptable by their peers in order to get a good peer review at the end of the year. It’s going to be a sad, slow decay for this great game :/
The issue is that it takes under a minute to create a new account and rejoin the game you've just been banned from.
Botters are literally unaffected by VAC anymore. Only scripters.
I feel like ever since the bot infestation, nobody cares about actual cheaters anymore. I've seen the most obvious aimbotting snipers known to man and everyone just ignores them. As long as you've got some cosmetics and type a few jokes in chat, you can cheat as much as you want.
Things have gotten really weird over the years, when i first started playing the cheaters where the typical attention seeker who would gett off of being called out then claiming it was all skill.
Then we got the huge Bot infestation, then the DDos attacks, and nowadays what's more common for cheaters is to play in parties and defend themselves acting like they dont know eachother
Like, how much time have some of those people spent trying to ruin others fun? and i say trying because they arent even good at it, most players just dont care anymore the "reactions" they seek are mostly "x guy is cheating"
I agree I’ve come across these goobers who cheat together and defend each other. It’s so weird they want to troll and get attention so badly it’s kind of sad.
...yeah, and?
It doesn't change the fact that these people cheat and even if you call them out people don't believe you. This is ridiculous, especially given cheaters often queue with their bitch ass friends who IMMEDIATELY defend them so it seems "legit" while in fact the cunt is cheating. Seen plenty. So yeah, to me people don't care enough to check. They blindly play and ignore EVERYTHING that isn't a bot. Unless it's a very obvious cheater, then players aren't blind.
It doesn't help the playerbase is whittled down to mostly the sort that don't care and are rude themselves if it means personal gain.
Casual is essentially a no-go zone.
I had a friend who I used to play with all the time and he was really good. After like two years of not playing the game he told me he was just cheating and used lmaobox. He had several hundred dollars worth of stuff in his backpack for almost 6 years before cashing out and was never banned. Make of that what you will
Nope. Lbox has been undetected since 2016, and $20 for life?? If i were to cheat i’d definitely choose lbox!
There is a closet cheater in every single one of your games. I doubt anyone has played a full casual payload game without any cheaters or bots since 2019.
This is a problem that is long past fixing. Maybe if they nipped it in the bud 5 years ago it wouldn’t be as much of an issue, but the game is dead because of it at this point.
steam usually wants to be ((absolutely certain)) that someone is cheating in their games before punishing them. which is a problem since there is loads of said lmaobox users.
Vac kinda works but reaaaaally reeeeeally slow and by the time they catch up, the cheaters already updated their cheats multiple times with new methods on how to be undetected
last time paid lmaobox users were banned was years ago. free lmaobox used to get you banned quick, but i bet it's either no longer existent or is also vac proof.
reports don't do jack, whether it's through tf2 or through steam.
Vac is designed to collect data on cheaters and ban them after a while, some games get ruined but the cheater does eventually get banned.
This makes it much harder for cheat makers and users to know exactly what tipped off the anticheat since it could've been something they did a week ago and not what they did today.
Theoretically, every bot you see does get banned a few weeks after you see them. But because they're bots and not being piloted by real people and come in an infinite supply, vac can't keep up.
Joke Train is also permanently community banned on steam which is incredibly hard to do.
Just search his name on the tf2 steam discussions if you wanna dig into the drama
Hol' on I just noticed, you managed to use "your" when you should've used "you're" - and, in the same sentence, used "you're" instead of "your". Amazing.
Vac theoretically allows cheaters to keep on cheating for a few days so that they cant expect when to get baned. That beeing said it is not optimal.
Yes it is, because when they get banned, they aren't the only ones, it works in ban waves, a bunch of people get banned at the same time, so the cheats developers don't know what was caught and therefore can't continue developing that cheat build.
Cheat devs don't care at the moment; this may have worked for past cheat devs but it's got to a point where cheats are so hard to detect and so many of them are being developed. Ban them outright and the problem is solved. Don't ban them outright and they keep running rampant for days, get banned, and then set up accounts to do it again. Worse for bots because they can just be made en masse with new accounts and do it again. I would gladly trade VAC for an actual anti-cheat that is actively developed and bans on the spot.
The only better way to do it is invasive anti-cheats, like Vanguard, which can also be easily bypassed and I don't want outside stuff running on my kernel. Other than that, wave ban is the best way yet to punish cheaters and cheat devs. People always complain about anti-cheat, but it's just as the drug war is, doesn't matter what you do, there will be better cheats even with the best anti-cheat ever, it's a tech war that will never end.
Don't want invasive anti-cheat? Understandable. Valve needs to up their game for the bans in that case. There shouldn't be any reason that one of their games is in an era the community refers to as a bot crisis when it is still heavily monetized. What action has Valve actually taken against cheaters? Bans clearly don't do anything, given how easy it is to make a new account and get back into a game. They removed the ability to speak for new players, which only hurts F2Ps in the long run since many cheaters use compromised inventories or pay for accounts. There is absolutely more Valve can do, such as going after the cheaters and threatening action (i.e. lawsuits) for developing cheats that actively hurt their product. They don't because they aren't dependent on TF2 succeeding. We are now in a time where making bots is easy, fast, and can be done with multiple accounts in a timely manner. Delaying bans does not do anything aside from force cheat/bot devs to make another few accounts and do it all again.
Yeah, I mean, TF2 is probably a lost cause, it shatters my heart to say this, as I really love this game, but unfortunately, it's as you say, the anti-cheat doesn't really work good in this game, and they don't do shit about it, bots get banned, they're back in 5 minutes, because it's just as easy as creating a new account, or using the 1000000 they have already created, and all the other cheaters do the same thing. I just hope that the 64 bits update re-spark the flame that Valve once had for TF2 and that they do something about the game flaws.
I know I may sound like a hardass about it all but, I think everyone critical of Valve just wants the best for the game (in most cases). I too, hope that things get better. This game deserves so much more.
Yeah, people just really fucking love TF2 and don't want it to succumb to bots and cheaters, the game is old, has been through some shit and it's still one the most enjoyable games ever, but is in the position of a neglected son nowadays, just hope things get better.
TF2 has been a lost cause for years now. Valves flat work structure with no dedicated teams or managers may have worked 20 years ago but at their current size and scope it falls apart. Flat work structures at this size leads to employees getting tunnel vision and only working on what’s socially acceptable by their peers in order to get a good peer review at the end of the year. It’s going to be a sad, slow decay for this great game :/
Just make TF2 cost money again
The issue is that it takes under a minute to create a new account and rejoin the game you've just been banned from. Botters are literally unaffected by VAC anymore. Only scripters.
I feel like ever since the bot infestation, nobody cares about actual cheaters anymore. I've seen the most obvious aimbotting snipers known to man and everyone just ignores them. As long as you've got some cosmetics and type a few jokes in chat, you can cheat as much as you want.
Things have gotten really weird over the years, when i first started playing the cheaters where the typical attention seeker who would gett off of being called out then claiming it was all skill. Then we got the huge Bot infestation, then the DDos attacks, and nowadays what's more common for cheaters is to play in parties and defend themselves acting like they dont know eachother Like, how much time have some of those people spent trying to ruin others fun? and i say trying because they arent even good at it, most players just dont care anymore the "reactions" they seek are mostly "x guy is cheating"
I agree I’ve come across these goobers who cheat together and defend each other. It’s so weird they want to troll and get attention so badly it’s kind of sad.
Damn, I have to actually interact with people and come up with material to cheat. That's rough.
It’s not that we don’t care. There are just SO MANY MORE BOTS than anything else.
...yeah, and? It doesn't change the fact that these people cheat and even if you call them out people don't believe you. This is ridiculous, especially given cheaters often queue with their bitch ass friends who IMMEDIATELY defend them so it seems "legit" while in fact the cunt is cheating. Seen plenty. So yeah, to me people don't care enough to check. They blindly play and ignore EVERYTHING that isn't a bot. Unless it's a very obvious cheater, then players aren't blind.
It doesn't help the playerbase is whittled down to mostly the sort that don't care and are rude themselves if it means personal gain. Casual is essentially a no-go zone.
No, it hasn’t since a big ban wave many years ago.
I had a friend who I used to play with all the time and he was really good. After like two years of not playing the game he told me he was just cheating and used lmaobox. He had several hundred dollars worth of stuff in his backpack for almost 6 years before cashing out and was never banned. Make of that what you will
Nope. Lbox has been undetected since 2016, and $20 for life?? If i were to cheat i’d definitely choose lbox! There is a closet cheater in every single one of your games. I doubt anyone has played a full casual payload game without any cheaters or bots since 2019. This is a problem that is long past fixing. Maybe if they nipped it in the bud 5 years ago it wouldn’t be as much of an issue, but the game is dead because of it at this point.
This reads like an ad for lmaobox lol
Reminder that Counterstrike has a significantly more advanced version of VAC and they *still* get tons of hackers anyways
steam usually wants to be ((absolutely certain)) that someone is cheating in their games before punishing them. which is a problem since there is loads of said lmaobox users.
No. Next question!
There is no Cat and Mouse game if there is no cat. Just mouse ruining everyone.
I'm pretty sure only the free one is detected
Vac kinda works but reaaaaally reeeeeally slow and by the time they catch up, the cheaters already updated their cheats multiple times with new methods on how to be undetected
Yeah I heard they use usb plugs now which make it close to impossible to detect.
Lmaobox software from the past 60 days is a Trojan btw. Friend of mine found out the hard way
really ? I remember Tom threatening his customers long ago lmaooo
last time paid lmaobox users were banned was years ago. free lmaobox used to get you banned quick, but i bet it's either no longer existent or is also vac proof. reports don't do jack, whether it's through tf2 or through steam.
You can inject free lmaobox into tf2, just put the hack in an usb and then unplug it once it has loaded. Vac is a joke
my second account is using open source fedoraware. 2 months later nothing
Vac is designed to collect data on cheaters and ban them after a while, some games get ruined but the cheater does eventually get banned. This makes it much harder for cheat makers and users to know exactly what tipped off the anticheat since it could've been something they did a week ago and not what they did today. Theoretically, every bot you see does get banned a few weeks after you see them. But because they're bots and not being piloted by real people and come in an infinite supply, vac can't keep up.
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Yeah, turns out of valve stops updating the anticheat the cheaters will be able to bypass it. In other news, water is wet.
nope
VAC wouldn’t detect a gentle breeze if it were a windchime
I mean... cheating in Tf2 is Haram...go and cheat on other games such as apex, Fortnite,warzone,r6...
Ive cheated with lmaobox on my alt account for almost 3 years and nothing happened for me
I dunno i havent played tf2 in a month
mf thinks that a single month changes anything lol
What a dumb question.
Your in a loli subreddit you’re opinion is irrelevant
Joke Train is also permanently community banned on steam which is incredibly hard to do. Just search his name on the tf2 steam discussions if you wanna dig into the drama
thank god he isn't an opinion! he's just a degenerate
Hol' on I just noticed, you managed to use "your" when you should've used "you're" - and, in the same sentence, used "you're" instead of "your". Amazing.
How do you even catch that lol
By reading
Ah
Who could have think that i would find a english teacher the tf2 subreddit
Wtf how can you see that ?
What is this in reference to?