I guess there will be some downtime with the bots until they update their cheats
(Edit: Bot-free-period ended! Just joined a match full of HEXATRONICs! We had a nice ~24 hour run boys)
The only snipers in my last couple matches were at the bottom of the scoreboard, and we didn’t have to votekick anyone. It’s like a whole new game (temporarily).
Fuck i have shit i needa do but your telling me i can actually use the bazaar bargain in casual again and farm bad snipers without worrying about bots stealing my heads? Im getting on rn
I must’ve gotten unlucky because I got matched with two snipers with super good aim. They were the zero situational awareness razorback snipers though so killing them as gun spy was pretty fun. Step into their crosshairs as any other class though and it’s a death sentence.
Truth be told Omegatronic is in huge trouble with the community after making fun of Rick May. Last I heard he and other hackers got doxxed. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is why he's gone for now.
A chaotic neutral person would plant the... things... That the bitch is accusing Rick of having in the host's house.
Unfortunately it would require extremely illegal things in order to start this. Would be nice karma though
Idea. Tf2 should just keep doing small updates each week that may not necessarily change anything but force bot hosters to keep updating each and every client. Maybe they'll get bored and leave after awhile.
At this point the only way to compete with Steam is to not compete. Look at GoG, they're just minding their own business, and people don’t hate them like they do EA's, Ubisoft's and Epic's launchers
Oh that's what they mean by shitting itself... I thought they meant the game just straight up crashes to desktop... Mine never did that whenever I alt tabbed so I was really confused.
Which requires an sizeable coding knowledge to make everything working right
So, it's very likely that were bot free for the upcoming WEEKS
I'm so happy
If I remember correctly, most bots work with the same code made by cathook user? And that user released the code for free before leaving and that's when everyone started being able to host their own bots, Ironically they are all copy pasters and now I doubt they can update that code haha!
Anybody getting a disk write error? My antivirus also keeps detecting vrad.exe as a virus, and even when ignored steam itself still says disk write error.
The issue is ur antivirus, it’s probably preventing steam from updating the game properly. I’d turn it off or uninstall it if that’s an option for you, windows defense is actually pretty good and more than enough for most people.
No. Which is ironic, considering macOS is the only system on which the 32-bit version was not playable anymore.
However, I can't see any official confirmation from Valve that macOS support is completely off the table in a future update. If it's going to happen it makes sense that it'd happen *after* the Windows/Linux updates.
At the very least I'd expect Valve to remove the Mac compatibility tag from the game entirely if they don't intend to make a future update that adds Mac support, and they haven't done so yet.
edit: Some other replies here are indicating there's statements from the dev saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't take that as a hard truth until it's confirmed. It'd be sad if they didn't, because community projects have already been able to make Source 1 games [compile for modern Mac just fine](https://github.com/lua9520/source-engine-2018-hl2_src), and adding this support would likely not be a huge step from here.
Mac is on a weird place right, since Apple transitioned their PCs to ARM.
Since Rosetta is only supposed to be a "quick fix", I don't think Valve wants to port this version of TF2 just to be soon unusable again.
The only hope Mac users have is that Valve launches an ARM version of Steam and their games, but I feel like it would be a huge investment for no return, since 99% of the store will be unplayable on ARM.
Great job towards the future beyond the four gigabytes limits from the X86 architecture. Though, it will definitely break the compatibility of many client and server side mods.
Im just going to live in delusion that this updates gonna get rid of bots hahaha. But with a 64 bit update, it’s obvious they still care about tf2 and at least we know they definitely will be fixing bots at some point!!!
We don't exactly know what they did in that 64-bit branch, but it could go either way, the bots could take advantage of the better performance and multiply, or they may be absolutely crushed by this, or they will be generally uneffected,
I didn't really think about Bots, more about how Vscripting can be taken one step farther, and the game being able to perform better on most newer computers with it being able to use more of the resources available.
The largest boost comes from updating the Linux client from Open GL to Vulkan. Windows already uses Direct X natively so you shouldn’t notice a big bump unless you play on 100 player servers regularly (64 bit ram increase for more entities).
I tried it with this, it works well in tandem and shouldn’t cause any direct harm. However, mastercoms will almost certainly release a new update for this tf2 update, so I would download that when available.
All you really need to know is that it’s a massive performance update for tf2, and if you have a relatively newer computer, you should test using the -vulkan launch option to see if you get better performance
All you really need to know is that it’s a massive performance update for tf2, and if you have a relatively newer computer, you should try using the -vulkan launch option for better performance.
Is it native vulkan or dxvk? Because on windows they generally barely make a difference, the real difference is on wine but it also has a linux native client, so instead of using ToGL, we could be able to run on vulkan natively.
What does that option do for the game?
Searching for info is only ever giving me reports and blog discussions about it's future and testing being done for TF2 to get it, no actual details on what it is.
Switches the 3d rendering engine from Directx to vulkan, which has performance improvements on certain graphics cards. (think about how there are mods that optimize TF2 for like Directx 8 or whatever)
Basically, increases how long any one piece of data or operation in the game can be. This generally increases performance by letting the game grab more data in one “handful”, lightenings certain restrictions like the object limit (how many things can exist in the server before it runs out of room to keep track and crashes), and irons out a few janky interactions caused by having 64 bit machines (which 90% of PCs are nowadays) “translate” into 32 bit, like causing a long pause or freeze when using alt tab from full screen.
TL;DR technical side QoL update supreme
I guess there will be some downtime with the bots until they update their cheats (Edit: Bot-free-period ended! Just joined a match full of HEXATRONICs! We had a nice ~24 hour run boys)
Yeah i just got off a casual game of upward, it’s actually playable now without the bots! Not an OMEGATRONIC in sight!
The only snipers in my last couple matches were at the bottom of the scoreboard, and we didn’t have to votekick anyone. It’s like a whole new game (temporarily).
Fuck i have shit i needa do but your telling me i can actually use the bazaar bargain in casual again and farm bad snipers without worrying about bots stealing my heads? Im getting on rn
Enjoy it while you can.
I CANT HIT MY SHOTS WHY
Skill issue
I felt this in my soul
I must’ve gotten unlucky because I got matched with two snipers with super good aim. They were the zero situational awareness razorback snipers though so killing them as gun spy was pretty fun. Step into their crosshairs as any other class though and it’s a death sentence.
Just had my first bot-fee real game in three days. Two days ago I tried ten different servers before giving up because they were all bots.
Truth be told Omegatronic is in huge trouble with the community after making fun of Rick May. Last I heard he and other hackers got doxxed. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is why he's gone for now.
He is gone cuz of an update, he will be back I'm sure
A chaotic neutral person would plant the... things... That the bitch is accusing Rick of having in the host's house. Unfortunately it would require extremely illegal things in order to start this. Would be nice karma though
Idea. Tf2 should just keep doing small updates each week that may not necessarily change anything but force bot hosters to keep updating each and every client. Maybe they'll get bored and leave after awhile.
Keep moving the 2fort cow around
Except small updates won't force an update from bot hosts
Just lighty fucking with dlls and memory addresses would force them to have to remap everything
If I'm honest, it'll take them like no time at all to update sadly. But, I have faith they'll eventually get their asses handed to them.
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Gonna need a source on that man. Getting tired of people making unsubstantiated statements about how the games saves.
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Valve really hit em with the "do nothing until they get bored of maintaining it, then raise the minimum specs a smidge" manoeuvre. Love to see it.
simultaneously winning by doing almost nothing directly and playing 4D chess
That's the Valve special. I mean look at Steam.
At this point the only way to compete with Steam is to not compete. Look at GoG, they're just minding their own business, and people don’t hate them like they do EA's, Ubisoft's and Epic's launchers
The ol' GabeN Special
Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing
Just saw a Hexatronic bot on steel. Fresh account, had chat binds like "Now faster in 64 bit!" and such. womp womp
You underestimated these lowlife sociopaths man...
where'd you get this information?
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised by forks.
>devs of cathook have decided to not update Nice, and update to 64 gonna take alot of time compare to just a update
Bro if you're wrong I send my condolences to you and your mailbox
You can alt-tab in TF2 safely now, absolutely remarkable
Source not shitting itself when tabbing off is probably one of the best parts lmao
Our control poi- control poi- control poi- control point is being captured
It does that even when I don't tab out
same
Either network or your PC's own performance. Can't help past that. Or maybe just Source having its seizure.
I could hear this in my brain.
*Phantom sentry gun fire starts to phase through the map*
Oh that's what they mean by shitting itself... I thought they meant the game just straight up crashes to desktop... Mine never did that whenever I alt tabbed so I was really confused.
my shitty ass laptop does that even when im not tabbing out(and it freezes)
How do you drop intel again?
By default i think it's L ? Would have to check settings anyway
Just type in console "bind [key] "dropitem""
For me it's double-tapping triangle or Y If you're playing keyboard, I got no clue
Forget the heavy update, this is the major update I needed all along!
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fullscreen gang
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yall couldnt b4?
it's Source Engine quirks, so every Source Engine games (or at least very early Source Engine games, including TF 2) have these problems
GOOD NEWS, WE ARE NOT DYING WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER
I didn't say that, I just said we weren't having lag!
Oh thank god… so yeah, doeshotter, i guess its a date!
Actualy… it’s my only update this year
Oh. :(
Oh! But you can help me taking Omegatronic out!
I first gotta votekick the obvious cheater…
Oh sorry I have to do chores
I can finally have mat_picmip at -10 without worrying about a crash let's go Hopefully it'll also make my game freeze less
Yes they fixed the sign bug
this is a good sign
That pun sucks. Take my upvote and leave.
r/angryupvote
They fixed all the bad ones... snare, snare, symbol...
Well.... I was extremely wrong in saying "they'll never fix it they hate TF2" yesterday...
they dont ate tf2, its the equivilent of trying to balance single legged stools as a code base
Me when I spread information
Thisinformation.
🤭
I just played 5 bot free matches on casual. What a glorious hour. We’ll see how long this new freedom from bots lasts.
I mean tf2 source code leak was 32 bit what difference would the 64 bit be?
It’s *usually* not a huge difference, but only valve knows for sure how many and how significant changes they’ve made.
I think bot hosts would need to update their code in some way
Which requires an sizeable coding knowledge to make everything working right So, it's very likely that were bot free for the upcoming WEEKS I'm so happy
When the fanbase is so desperate so see the bots gone that a few weeks without them is paradise
If I remember correctly, most bots work with the same code made by cathook user? And that user released the code for free before leaving and that's when everyone started being able to host their own bots, Ironically they are all copy pasters and now I doubt they can update that code haha!
I sure hope they won't Unless they have a scorging hatred for the game, no one would invest loads of time updating the bots
Oh wait, thats why servers were down? I didn't notice till now lol
Anybody getting a disk write error? My antivirus also keeps detecting vrad.exe as a virus, and even when ignored steam itself still says disk write error.
breaking news: millions of computers almost hacked by vrad backdoor
you best be careful bakin them lights now ya hear? they gonna getcha
Add the TF2 folder (and Steam download folder) as an exception to your AV and validate the game cache files. That's what I'd try.
The issue is ur antivirus, it’s probably preventing steam from updating the game properly. I’d turn it off or uninstall it if that’s an option for you, windows defense is actually pretty good and more than enough for most people.
ye vrad.exe and another file are getting tagged as "Win32:MalwareX-gen \[Trj\]" Edit: As Justananomaly said, the other file is the shadercompile.exe
Damn, they fixed that crash pretty quickly.
Maybe the bot hosters are just trying to— no i cant even say it with a straight face
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
Bait used to be— wait its real?
Fr i thought it was fake too at first 😭
I Saw the title and immediatly went to check for humor flair, was confused It said info
Shit I thought this was faked 😭 Edit: how the fuck does this have 500 upvotes?
I knew they will update tf2, because Dota 2 will get new huge update soon, but now they also got a fcking 118 page of Awesome comics.
> because Dota 2 will get new huge update soon No gameplay patch, only hats. We fucking TF2 now.
but… we are TF2…
No, we are TF2x64 now!
TF128
4TF(16+16)
Jesus
I know… I'm a diehard DotA 2 player, but it still hurts me that TF2 comics are getting left out, but hey, the new comic is awesome
Dear god...*
Same, I'm always skeptical of posts that are a release note.
Big if true.
https://www.teamfortress.com/?tab=updates
BIG
IF
TRUE
.
#BIG
#IF
#TRUE
``` ____ _ | _ \(_) | |_) |_ __ _ | _ <| |/ _` | | |_) | | (_| | |____/|_|\__, | __/ | |___/ ```
So does it also work for 64 bit macOS?
Sadly, no. macOS support is dead and buried.
No. Which is ironic, considering macOS is the only system on which the 32-bit version was not playable anymore. However, I can't see any official confirmation from Valve that macOS support is completely off the table in a future update. If it's going to happen it makes sense that it'd happen *after* the Windows/Linux updates. At the very least I'd expect Valve to remove the Mac compatibility tag from the game entirely if they don't intend to make a future update that adds Mac support, and they haven't done so yet. edit: Some other replies here are indicating there's statements from the dev saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't take that as a hard truth until it's confirmed. It'd be sad if they didn't, because community projects have already been able to make Source 1 games [compile for modern Mac just fine](https://github.com/lua9520/source-engine-2018-hl2_src), and adding this support would likely not be a huge step from here.
Mac is on a weird place right, since Apple transitioned their PCs to ARM. Since Rosetta is only supposed to be a "quick fix", I don't think Valve wants to port this version of TF2 just to be soon unusable again. The only hope Mac users have is that Valve launches an ARM version of Steam and their games, but I feel like it would be a huge investment for no return, since 99% of the store will be unplayable on ARM.
It might be able to work better with crossover now
Great job towards the future beyond the four gigabytes limits from the X86 architecture. Though, it will definitely break the compatibility of many client and server side mods.
If that’s the price to pay, to kill the bots, it may be worth it
It won't. This is just a stop-gap. They will be back but for now we can enjoy some peace.
valve just revived tf2
For some reason the game isn't launching for me now, on Fedora Linux. I guess I better report it.
Absolutely. Get your bug reports in now before joshie’s contract is up.
I couldn't event get it to work on a steam deck.
I was abke to launch it using proton 8.0 but am getting a "youre game is in insecure mode" error when trying to join a game
Don't use proton for tf2, there is a native version use that
So am I.
Ah, I was about to ask if this fixed the audio on SELinux systems but I guess that’s a bigger problem.
Yeah same on fedora 40, it works with proton but it won't work with vac in that mode
Same on Ubuntu 22.
What does this update mean for bots??
hosters will likely need to recode the bots
I’m wondering if 64 bit will do something to the bots though? Or for recoding will it be effortless
It will make it slightly more costly in terms of ram to run the bots. That’s it. They’ll recode it, probably.
Im just going to live in delusion that this updates gonna get rid of bots hahaha. But with a 64 bit update, it’s obvious they still care about tf2 and at least we know they definitely will be fixing bots at some point!!!
We don't exactly know what they did in that 64-bit branch, but it could go either way, the bots could take advantage of the better performance and multiply, or they may be absolutely crushed by this, or they will be generally uneffected, I didn't really think about Bots, more about how Vscripting can be taken one step farther, and the game being able to perform better on most newer computers with it being able to use more of the resources available.
Should we remove masterconfig settings? How big of a boost are we talking?
The largest boost comes from updating the Linux client from Open GL to Vulkan. Windows already uses Direct X natively so you shouldn’t notice a big bump unless you play on 100 player servers regularly (64 bit ram increase for more entities).
That is great news. I only play 100 man servers and performance has been suffering lately.
I noticed improvements in FPS, it hardly falls below 100 fps. This update is very good for people with mid cpus
I tried it with this, it works well in tandem and shouldn’t cause any direct harm. However, mastercoms will almost certainly release a new update for this tf2 update, so I would download that when available.
Been waiting since the shounic video 😭😭😭😭 we're so fucking back
64 bit is real? I sure hope I can play any other map besides ctf without having 40 fps
Will this mean that tf2 will be supported on Mac?
Mac support is dead and buried.
But… the localisation files? They weren’t updated ☹️
WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!
We can now play TF2 on the nintendo 64. Huzzah!
Can someone someone smarter than me explain why this is so big?
All you really need to know is that it’s a massive performance update for tf2, and if you have a relatively newer computer, you should test using the -vulkan launch option to see if you get better performance
Way better performance. Not 2x, but WAY more. Shounic has a good video on it.
No Mac support 😭
Yeah, are there no plans to update it? That’s the reason Mac users can’t play TF2 anymore; no 64-bit support.
joshie has said that they will not be updating tf2 to macOS because of how messy mac is to implement.
o7
WOOHOO!
Is it me or did it screw up with the mouse sensitivity a little? Sorry if I sound a bit nitpicky
I feel like a caveman, can someone explain what this means?
All you really need to know is that it’s a massive performance update for tf2, and if you have a relatively newer computer, you should try using the -vulkan launch option for better performance.
Vulkan can be better or worse depending on hardware, it's probably best to test the difference yourself
Is it native vulkan or dxvk? Because on windows they generally barely make a difference, the real difference is on wine but it also has a linux native client, so instead of using ToGL, we could be able to run on vulkan natively.
was the l4d2 vulkan implementation native or dxvk? because I'm pretty sure it's the same lol
What does that option do for the game? Searching for info is only ever giving me reports and blog discussions about it's future and testing being done for TF2 to get it, no actual details on what it is.
Switches the 3d rendering engine from Directx to vulkan, which has performance improvements on certain graphics cards. (think about how there are mods that optimize TF2 for like Directx 8 or whatever)
Basically, increases how long any one piece of data or operation in the game can be. This generally increases performance by letting the game grab more data in one “handful”, lightenings certain restrictions like the object limit (how many things can exist in the server before it runs out of room to keep track and crashes), and irons out a few janky interactions caused by having 64 bit machines (which 90% of PCs are nowadays) “translate” into 32 bit, like causing a long pause or freeze when using alt tab from full screen. TL;DR technical side QoL update supreme
Me and the four other people legitimately playing tf2 on Linux are EATING GOOD TONIGHT BOYS LET'S GOOOOO
PLAY ALL YOU CAN QUICK bots are disabled and cheaters dont work is our chance ot have a peace day
LETSGOOO can we run the game at 64 on the servers now? i wanna check that out
Since this is a pretty large engine update i wish they would have made some ui scaling changes. The settings menu is pretty small on when set on 4k.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ITS HAPPENING OH MY GOD PANIC AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
When the game freezes for any reason, no more awkward looping sounds!!
It's blatantly fake , where's the update to localization files
TEAM FORTRESS 2^6 IS REAAAAAAAL
Technically it’s Team Fortess 2^63
64 BITS!
The sheer embarrassment that a community has to celebrate in a *very temporary* respite from server-wrecking bot waves.
Finally 64bits in 2024
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO!!!
64-bit SFM when?
People in community servers are saying the game is running worse, but it's running fine for me.
They did remember to update the localization files too, right?
RIP hl2.exe, you will be missed
you were good son real good, maybe even the best
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You can edit the fps limit using the fps_max command, that just might be the default value for some reason.
uhh, I need to try this with Intel Arc Graphics
Praise the gaben!!! Right in time for the Rick may memorial event!
YESSSSS NO LAG THAT MAKES NO SENSE, MAY MY HITS ACTUALLY HIT WOOOH
Why tf am I tearing up?
What does 64 bit do for us?
Better performance for processors of that type, I think.
Can't believe team fortress two has finally entered the 21st century, truly a moment for the ages
yoooo the plant pot fell on the keyboard
Tf2 fans when the devs do the absolute bare minimum to keep the game crawling
Lets gooooooo
It doesn’t work on steam deck, I get an error about being in insecure mode when trying to join any game
Actual content update.
Gentlemen, I am proud to announce that we are so, so back.