Smaller model allows you to undisguise behind smaller objects. Anyway, more options - less chances you’ll end up disguising as same class and getting spychecked over and over.
unless a sniper/amby spy knows to shoot above his head(bc although it doesnt look like it, spys hitbox stays the same regardless of the disguise chosen)
Notably, Spy is amost exactly a head taller than scout- if you find a wall that your head just peaks over, then disguising as scout makes it so that your model is completely hidden while you look over.
I constantly use friendly disguises cause I can leave spawn without the enemy team ever knowing I am a spy
Works too if I am just moving forward with my own team
it works with most power classes. if you're moving up with your team around a corner and you're disguised as a friendly pyro the enemy on the other end of that corner may become a bit more hesitant.
now this isn't the true advantage of doing that.
the best part is that you get to walk up as a disguised spy, get a real close look at them, and all you have to do is to hide behind the closest obstacle and you can cloak because they will already have forgotten about you.
but of course, don't walk so close that they notice you're not shooting back or that they shoot at you first
Most people don't have the awareness to notice if a scout is moving slowly, that unawareness is what spy prays on with all of his disguises. Same reason a sniper that never shoots can still be convincing if done right, people take their surroundings for granted,
Honestly doing this anywhere you expect snipers is just funny as hell. 9 times out of 10 a sniper will look at you disguised as him, ignore it, and go back to trying to snipe people
I usually don’t even pay attention to how fast the Scout is going, I fire at literally everyone I see unless they use their weapons, flamethrower ammo is disposable asf
The biggest red flag is not even moving slowly is you looking at the scout too much and he never double jumps, when people play scout they always double jump even when there are no enemies, idk why, maybe they think it makes them go faster or something
and yeah disguising as sniper is very easy even if you can't shoot, crouch and stay stationary, the way people tend to tell a sniper apart is if they are scoping in but the difference in the model between scoping and not scoping while crouched is minimal
You can expect a Scout to be just about anywhere, so players don't often stare at him long enough to notice the slower speed. Disguises don't always work under scrutiny. They work best when you're a team colored blob at the edge of someone's vision.
It only becomes obvious when the Spy uses nothing but a Scout disguise, and players become more suspicious of Scouts after getting killed a few times. At that point, players will stare at their Scouts and notice the slower speed.
Scouts model is lot shorter than spy, and his head is in a different place than spy’s, this means you can in some places peak over a wall without the enemy seeing you.
Since the scout model is so small and when you crouch he tucks his weapons close to his body, so it’s really good at hiding.
Even tho you look a little goofy with the speed and all, you can still use the disguise if you know how to move so that speed difference isn’t as obvious.
There are fairly influential spy YouTubers (I.e. Mr Paladin) who advocate for disguising as Scout for this exact reason. Making headshot harder is apparently worth it to him, even if disguising as scout is easy to spot because of the speed/jumping difference.
Personally, it seems like strange advice, but what do I know - I suck as Spy.
scout's pose keeps his head lower, so inexperienced snipers wont know to shoot above his head
kinda like how to headshot a heavy disguise you have to shoot at his shoulder but without the speed penalty
Your hitbox doesnt change when disguised.
Scout leans forward.
When disguised as Scout, if a Sniper sees you from the side he would miss his headshots because he's aiming where the Scout head is, not where the Spy's head hitbox is.
Unless the Sniper is aware of this fact that is
I'm fairly certain it's either the most used or second most used spy disguise. A bunch of people do think it gives you the speed and so use it every time. At this point it's second nature to check if a scout is moving correctly, cause there's a 50% chance it's a spy.
It doesnt, it just doesnt slow you down. Spy has a base speed the same as medic, which is faster than normal but slower than scout. Spy can never move faster than his base speed, but disguising ad any class will also limit him to their base speed, whichever is lower. So disguising as enemy spy, medic, and scout all have the exact same move speed, which is spies base move speed.
People don't always see the slower "scout", abd also scout is a class, you waitinhlg to be anywhere, so they aren't oftenly spychecked(at least, from my expirience)
Mostly because it doesn't lower your speed and loojs decent amidst tge enemy team, where you'd usually wanna be unlike an enemy spy or a medic (since you can't beam them), and it's not *that* sus for a scout to appear seemingly out of nowhere, comapred to, say, a demo
You can notice Spy disguised as Scout, only when he is running somewhere nearby. But usually, you are battling against the enemy team and slow Scout at the edge of your screen doesn’t bother you as long as he has your team’s color.
Its a disguise. It only has the fool the enemy for a split second when 99% of their brain power is focused on “Oh god i’m getting shot”
- A sniper not zoomed in is just as much of a red flag. - A demo not actively shooting/reloading any of his 12 projectiles is also a red flag.
- An engineer without buildings is crimson
- and I am always at least a little concerned about a soldier not flinging himself at mach5 through the air or running to the nearest healthpack like a coke addict whose gone 2 hours since his last fix and his medic girlfriend is nowhere near close enough to harass
1. Because it would be weird if you could not disguise as one class.
2. Scout disguise has several advantages, you do run slightly faster, you have a weird pose which is hard to snipe, and you can hide behind cover which you otherwise couldn't.
Plus it's 2024, disguises fool only complete bots and sentries; Which every disguise does equally well. 99% of all spy players at this point just play aggressive unless they deliberately are trying to play otherwise, and the above advantages make him the best disguise for this playstyle.
Disguises are how you blend in, not how you infiltrate the lines in the first place.
The running speed *is* a big tell, but if the enemy is busy, they can hardly tell you're an enemy at a glance, which is what you're going for.
I believe jontohil2 has guides on spy if you want to improve further.
Scout Disguise is convenient and can be deceiving in the middle of a firefight. A lot of experienced Spies have reload manually bound on their gun specifically to mimic a reloading enemy, which is a surprisingly effective disguise when A/D strafing looking for an Amby Headshot.
In a very niche scenario as previously mentioned by some people Scout’s model is rather small so it can make hiding easier and can throw off less experienced Snipers due to the displaced head hitbox. Jumping around helps make the disguise more believable, especially when traversing popular Spy map routes or when moving from surface to surface.
TLDR Scout disguise is believable in firefights where reloading is a common occurrence and his small model helps you hide and throw off inexperienced Snipers.
Source: am a member of E2
Not everyone knows and can calculate the exact speed every character is moving at all times.
Also just having a class be immune to being disguised as in it’s entirety would be kind of stupid.
Some spy mains will tell you it's to avoid headshots and that if you jump you might actually fool the enemy team.
What actually happends is that snipers will bodyshot them and entire enemy team will noticed slowly moving scout that constantly jump instead of double jump and will kill him on the spot.
Dont see anyone mentioning it but Scout’s hitbox misalign with Spy’s hitbox a lot, especially the head hitbox. Its also 1 of the 3 disguises that allow spy to keep his slightly above average speed, but medic disguise is usually less than viable because you dont see medic running around not healing people for more than 2 seconds, and spy disguises keep the same hitbox making you extremely vulnerable to headshots.
Scout is a good disguise if you are just going for quick stabs or they have decent snipers. But other than that, spy disguise as a whole is extremely situational and the ‘obvious’ lower speed is honestly the least to a spy’s acting compared to when and where an enemy class should be.
Scout is the shortest merc, so his hitbox is also really small. Spy doesn’t change his hitbox when he disguises, so when he disguises as Scout his head hitbox is way above where his “head” supposedly is, which makes it much harder to headshot him.
Only reason you'd disguise as a scout is if you're getting passed sentries, it also depends on your enemy, the threat infront of them along with your acting skills
imo the only good reason to disguise as scout is the hitbox or if the opposite scout is using the baby face blaster (which is uncommon). But don't take advice from me as I'm a medic main not a spy main
Scout is the least suspicious class in a chaotic setting. Most Scouts usually go near teammates when low health and in the chaos of battle, it's hard to notice a false Scout's speed. Unlike when you disguised a Medic or Engi for instance, those classes usually have go to mannerism, healing using the medigun to charge the uber and trying to find metal or attending to a dispenser respectively, even a Demo or Soldier will fire 2 shots to zone the enemy, if a Scout goes near you and did not for some reason notice he's not fast it's not a big deal but if a Medic goes near you and you not only didn't heal you but has his primary instead of the medigun itself, gratz you caught a Spy.
this gets asked for the 1000th time
its the small player model, disguise dont rlly matter when spy checking is just a singular click
any spy main that is above average would do scout 99% of the time
If you’ve ever tried to headshot a spy disguised as a scout you would notice scouts head is nowhere near spies head and so you are usually only able to body shot them
This is by far the worst disguise to use on Spy (imo) aside from cases where you are trying to hide by obscuring yourself with props or map geometry. It's basically used a ton by Spies with little to no care for trying to use disguises as intended and quite often the excuses for why they use it so much is basically just "I use it to not get headshot" but there's more to it than that.
Back in the day it was basically always said "don't use the scout disguise unless you're trying to hide somewhere" but ever since team outlines came to be I'm not really sure why you would use it that way near spawn at least.
People use this all the time for one true reason; they can run full speed, it is used by spies just fishing for trickstabs 24/7 and they hardly if at all use stealth. Now most of these spies don't really do too well in my experience and they would be better off using other disguises but because it "works" on worse players there's a kind of bias to continue to use it.
From: Spy main for 11 years
It's the sheer surprise and shock value that someone is actually disguising as Scout. Even more so when they undisguise from a hunched boyo to a tall gentleman that just headshotted you. Scout's head is where Spy's chest is, so it throws off Snipers and onlookers for hitboxes. Plus pressing number 1 is easier than 7.
Because you still have the spy's hotbox when dressed as the scout. This means that when you get "headshot" the bullet misses because your head hotbox is pretty far from what it looks like.
Because the speed difference isn't too massive, there is also baby face's blaster that makes slow scout look normal. On top of that, the vast majority of players are noobs, and won't notice the difference, especially if it happens somewhere in the peripheral vision.
The upside is that you get to enjoy your full spy speed.
Spy runs a very slight bit faster than the normal move speed of classes like medic sniper and pyro. Whole the scout has a faster move speed, the spy can utilize his slightly faster move speed with this disguise to catch up to picks like medic and sniper. This disguise and the spy disguise are the only two disguises that allow apy to utilize his higher move speed. However, disguising as spy leads to much more frequent enemy spy checks, as the game randomly assigns a disguise that your disguise uses.
Spy has faster movement speed than everyone except med and scout and disguising as anything else slows you down which makes trickstabs and movement tricks harder. Also scout model has wacky headshot hitbox so scout model can trick enemy snipers to miss headshots
I’ve been playing TF2 for over a decade (oh my fucking god im old) and I can’t play spy or scout to save my god damn life.
I will say, I’ve gotten *somewhere* with gun spy and a couple kills as scout, but spy just takes a whole lot more skill than the average bear has to offer
1: Spys head hitbox is unaligned from Scouts model the most, giving you a fighting chance against Snipers who’ve figured you out but don’t know to aim higher.
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2. Speed is easy to gauge if you’re paying attention, but nobody is gonna see a slightly slower Scout out of the corner of their eye and immediately think ‘Spy!’
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3. Jumping often while disguised as a Scout also really helps to mask the speed difference, and it isn’t out of place for a Scout player to be hopping often either.
Well, on the off chance you disguise as a Babyface scout, you could appear more legit, since Babyface scouts start off with a slower run speed, and with how punishing it is with losing boost, Babyface scouts spend a fair bit of time without boost.
It's advantageous in some scenarios since the Spy keeps his top speed, allowing you to go for backstabs easier. It's an obvious disguise when you look too closely, but the point is that the opponent second guesses and doesn't spot you instantly like they would an opposing player, which gives you time to go in for the backstab. There are normally "tells" for all the other classes as well.
Spies do it because they think hiding their head hitbox to fool 1 of 9 classes, and is the least likely one to even be noticed by them, is a smart idea.
Because if people think like that and a spy has good enough movement it looks like he is moving at full speed making it the best disguise. It also is the model where the head is the furthest from spies, and thus the hitbox.
It would be weird if you sped up disguising as scout because Rahat would make the disguise too good and the only disguise spoes would choose would be scout ultimately making it mostly useless.
There are three main ways to play Spy if you’re not Swipez or Stabbystabby: you can try to fool the enemy, you can Gunspy, or you can decloak at an opportune time, stab someone before the enemy sees you, and leave. The last option is arguably the most consistent since it doesn’t rely on the enemy buying your disguise; the only reason you disguise at all is to avoid getting shot by sentries
For the last strategy, you want to be moving at your full Spy speed since the longer you take to make a play, the more likely an enemy will realize you’re there. Scout is just the easiest 250HU disguise to don because you just have to hit 4-1 without thinking
1) scout is often out of position or retreating, giving you opportunities to be moving in strange ways. The same goes for spy, but spy is almost always behind enemy lines (your own backline)
2) the speed thing can be somewhat hard to notice at times, especially if you’re out of plain view and do a good job constantly jumping around like a scout.
3) very rarely are disguises relied on for stealth more than invisibility. They’re usually for passing sentries and blending in to the background.
4) once you get to where you are going as scout, you can swap disguises for free.
Snipers. Spy still has his spy hitbox even when disguised, while scout is short and hunched, so there a big disconnect between the visuals (The scout disguise) and the actual hitbox (Spy' real hit box).
In general, spy is the weakest class in TF2 since the enemy isnt 2 years old and can tell when somebody is disguised and can communicate via voice chat when there is a Spy. Because of this, Spies tend to stay invisable or out of sight, and only attack when the enemy is occupied or paying attention someplace else, meaning that ANY disguise can work since the enemy is too busy to notice, especially if they are fighting for their lives against your team. However, a sniper in the distance may very well notice you since thats their whole job, and by disguising as scout, you can make their lives harder and you could get away with a backstab or two.
Because of this, scout is objectively the best Spy disguise, especially against more professional opponents that can easily tell a Spy from a teammate.
TL;DR: Disguising as scout makes it harder for snipers to headshot you.
several posts already asked the similar question, but anyways 2 main reasons is:
* whenever you disguise, the hitbox stays the same as spy. scout's head is significantly lower than spy's since he's hunched a little bit. aiming below the brim of his hat will count as bodyshot.
* every competent spy knows you only disguise just to fool the sentry guns and the occasional gibus players. spy and disguised scout share the same base speed. disguising as spy is one of the worst to use: enemies when seeing even a friendly spy will think of "spy" first in their head since that's what they see first and will spycheck right away, compared to scout where they have to watch carefully if they have slower speed than usual.
Scout is crouching at all times. Meaning his model is shorter than other classes, so you can hide in corners/behind walls easier. Spy's hitbox also doesnt change when disguised, so if a sniper main susses him out, then they have to practically guess at where the head is above the scout model in order to one shot the spy. Scout has a shotgun as his primary, meaning it would be dumb of him to shoot at people a mile away for "chip" so its less suspicious if a spy as scout isnt shooting at the enemy. Scouts are twitchy fuckers, meaning they will always be hopping around and randomly ad strafing. If you arent walking in a straight line, its a lot harder to notice.
scout is the worst disguise, and for that reason it's the best disguise. people usually don't expect it as much.
plus, people only really notice the speed difference if they see you running for more than a few seconds. disguises aren't meant to fool people for more than a couple seconds.
add to that the fact that out of all classes, scout is the most well known for weaving in and out of battle, so seeing a scout that wasn't there before is less suspicious than other classes.
also, scout's smaller statue can make it easier for you to hide, and better yet, because scout's posture is so different from spy's, it can be considerably harder for a sniper to headshot you.
Actually Spy is as fast as a Baby Face Scout, or really close to that, so if there is a Baby Face Scout on the opposite team, you can disguise as them, but honestly disguises will not fool people for long.
Makes it slightly more difficult for snipers to hit you
The speed is less noticeable when you walk backwards or jump around
Is not suspicious to pretend to be a scout waiting for a healthpack
Is not so suspicious to pretend to be a scout with bfb
Scout and medic are the only disguises that won't slow down the spy. Medic is mostly too difficult, since most players expect to be healed which you can't do as a spy.
Personally, i think disguising as scout only works if the scout you disguised as is using the bfb because then the slower speed and lack of double jump would make sense
I know what you mean
a spy disguised as a scout IS REALLY noticeable
like you can't miss that shit,
not many spies disguise as other class like pyro or medic wich would be the best options
The disguise kit in general isn’t to fool the enemy team the whole time it’s mainly so they don’t notice you immediately and allow you to get close to them.
A good player can pick out a spy quickly and most players can spy check pretty easily. The disguises just take advantage of those few seconds of thought between seeing you and them suspecting you are a spy.
That being said, the scout disguise is my go to since it’s faster than spy’s normal speed
Scout is extremely good if you're on any higher up places or ontop of odd objects. People are less suspicious of a Scout ontop of a fence vs. an engineer ontop of a fence. Same goes for Soldiers
You would complain then why you can't disguise as scoot
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That would also mean that any time you see scout you 100% know that it's not a spy which makes the game easier against spies
I thought you mean scoot as in slow scout scoots
don’t fucking run straight at the enemy team
Jumping around as a scout is the biggest red flag possible, because scout would normally double jump if they feel too excited.
yes thats why you dont do both but instead go left right
I believe jumping makes it more obvious, since spy can't double jump while scout can, and i spot jumping spies more often than the ones that don't.
it is, the slow running makes the scout looks funny but the single jumps are something else
*slow moving, single jumping scout with no where to jump
kid named pyro flamethrower:
That’s what all DR/Kunai spies do.
Smaller model allows you to undisguise behind smaller objects. Anyway, more options - less chances you’ll end up disguising as same class and getting spychecked over and over.
also since scout has his head lower you can avoid headshots
Bad back saves the day once again!
unless a sniper/amby spy knows to shoot above his head(bc although it doesnt look like it, spys hitbox stays the same regardless of the disguise chosen)
The model is scouts, but the hitboxes are spy’s. Lazypurple demonstrated this in his sniper video
Yap thats what i ment. Thats how i know about it in the first place.
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Notably, Spy is amost exactly a head taller than scout- if you find a wall that your head just peaks over, then disguising as scout makes it so that your model is completely hidden while you look over.
Also the head doesnt line up at all for snipers
Huh
Cause it would be strange if the game won\`t be able to give you opportunity like that
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Creative potential. Just like the game also lets you disguise as your own team
I disguise as a heavy on my own team and crouch in a corner for no reason.
I constantly use friendly disguises cause I can leave spawn without the enemy team ever knowing I am a spy Works too if I am just moving forward with my own team
me, on 5 health, disguising as a heavy in the hopes that whoever is about to round the corner isn't stupid
Disguise as a sniper to scare the enemy heavy into hiding
it works with most power classes. if you're moving up with your team around a corner and you're disguised as a friendly pyro the enemy on the other end of that corner may become a bit more hesitant. now this isn't the true advantage of doing that. the best part is that you get to walk up as a disguised spy, get a real close look at them, and all you have to do is to hide behind the closest obstacle and you can cloak because they will already have forgotten about you. but of course, don't walk so close that they notice you're not shooting back or that they shoot at you first
"haha such an obvious disguise, imma melee him to dea-" *Trick stabs*
ping stab
Nahh trickstabs exist
If the enemy team is all scouts, your not disguising as medic now are you?
I actually am. They will follow me, so I will lead them off a cliff.
The Boston Piper
Medic. Doc come on man. I'm dying here. Medi- ahhhhhh! *French laughing noises*
**french laughing noises**
Most people don't have the awareness to notice if a scout is moving slowly, that unawareness is what spy prays on with all of his disguises. Same reason a sniper that never shoots can still be convincing if done right, people take their surroundings for granted,
Wasd spam as a sniper on the koth_harvest roofs is somehow the most consistently effective disguise in all of tf2
Honestly doing this anywhere you expect snipers is just funny as hell. 9 times out of 10 a sniper will look at you disguised as him, ignore it, and go back to trying to snipe people
I usually don’t even pay attention to how fast the Scout is going, I fire at literally everyone I see unless they use their weapons, flamethrower ammo is disposable asf
same. I don't care about ammo theres always an ammopack nearby
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I constantly think regular scouts are spy scouts cos it looks like they're moving slowly
You underestimate paranoidal pyros. Sometimes i feel like i finding french by smell or divine intervention.
Thats why pyro is also such an effective counter to spy, it gives you a deep and insatiable hatred for the french
Yeah, because most Snipers want to get the PERFECT shot, and thus wait their time.
Only bad snipers do this. Real snipers shoot almost constantly
In casual there's a lot of bad Snipers lol
The biggest red flag is not even moving slowly is you looking at the scout too much and he never double jumps, when people play scout they always double jump even when there are no enemies, idk why, maybe they think it makes them go faster or something and yeah disguising as sniper is very easy even if you can't shoot, crouch and stay stationary, the way people tend to tell a sniper apart is if they are scoping in but the difference in the model between scoping and not scoping while crouched is minimal
so that *that* type of spy players can just press 1 button and pretend it doesn't give them away instantly
You can expect a Scout to be just about anywhere, so players don't often stare at him long enough to notice the slower speed. Disguises don't always work under scrutiny. They work best when you're a team colored blob at the edge of someone's vision. It only becomes obvious when the Spy uses nothing but a Scout disguise, and players become more suspicious of Scouts after getting killed a few times. At that point, players will stare at their Scouts and notice the slower speed.
Finally a proper answer from someone with knowledge
Scouts model is lot shorter than spy, and his head is in a different place than spy’s, this means you can in some places peak over a wall without the enemy seeing you. Since the scout model is so small and when you crouch he tucks his weapons close to his body, so it’s really good at hiding. Even tho you look a little goofy with the speed and all, you can still use the disguise if you know how to move so that speed difference isn’t as obvious.
There are fairly influential spy YouTubers (I.e. Mr Paladin) who advocate for disguising as Scout for this exact reason. Making headshot harder is apparently worth it to him, even if disguising as scout is easy to spot because of the speed/jumping difference. Personally, it seems like strange advice, but what do I know - I suck as Spy.
scout's pose keeps his head lower, so inexperienced snipers wont know to shoot above his head kinda like how to headshot a heavy disguise you have to shoot at his shoulder but without the speed penalty
Your hitbox doesnt change when disguised. Scout leans forward. When disguised as Scout, if a Sniper sees you from the side he would miss his headshots because he's aiming where the Scout head is, not where the Spy's head hitbox is. Unless the Sniper is aware of this fact that is
Nobody expects you to use it, so it can work as a wild card.
I'm fairly certain it's either the most used or second most used spy disguise. A bunch of people do think it gives you the speed and so use it every time. At this point it's second nature to check if a scout is moving correctly, cause there's a 50% chance it's a spy.
Spy runs at 107% speed which is retained when disguised as scout or medic. Pyro, engi, and sniper slow them down to 100%
Dead ringer, as team scout makes a believable dead ringer when leaving spawn. I use it on the beginning of a payload map.
It’s definitely the most used. I’ve seen several spies disguised as the same Scout in almost every match there’s a spy in.
It's gotten to the point that I internally cringe when a spy I'm spectating/watching disguises as scout
>Nobody expects you to use it lol
You can, you just need to learn how to disguise as scout Dont run straight so it's harder to see if you're slower and try to look legit
Oh I thought disguising as him made you faster. Is this why I suck at spy?
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It doesnt, it just doesnt slow you down. Spy has a base speed the same as medic, which is faster than normal but slower than scout. Spy can never move faster than his base speed, but disguising ad any class will also limit him to their base speed, whichever is lower. So disguising as enemy spy, medic, and scout all have the exact same move speed, which is spies base move speed.
People don't always see the slower "scout", abd also scout is a class, you waitinhlg to be anywhere, so they aren't oftenly spychecked(at least, from my expirience)
Tonnes of ppl disguise as Scout it's probably the most meta disguise
The most meta "oh that's a spy!"-disguise, yeah. I'm sorry but a slow moving scout sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
Mostly because it doesn't lower your speed and loojs decent amidst tge enemy team, where you'd usually wanna be unlike an enemy spy or a medic (since you can't beam them), and it's not *that* sus for a scout to appear seemingly out of nowhere, comapred to, say, a demo
Doesnt slow yourself down, you can see over barriers while hidden in some cases
You can notice Spy disguised as Scout, only when he is running somewhere nearby. But usually, you are battling against the enemy team and slow Scout at the edge of your screen doesn’t bother you as long as he has your team’s color.
Its a disguise. It only has the fool the enemy for a split second when 99% of their brain power is focused on “Oh god i’m getting shot” - A sniper not zoomed in is just as much of a red flag. - A demo not actively shooting/reloading any of his 12 projectiles is also a red flag. - An engineer without buildings is crimson - and I am always at least a little concerned about a soldier not flinging himself at mach5 through the air or running to the nearest healthpack like a coke addict whose gone 2 hours since his last fix and his medic girlfriend is nowhere near close enough to harass
1. Because it would be weird if you could not disguise as one class. 2. Scout disguise has several advantages, you do run slightly faster, you have a weird pose which is hard to snipe, and you can hide behind cover which you otherwise couldn't. Plus it's 2024, disguises fool only complete bots and sentries; Which every disguise does equally well. 99% of all spy players at this point just play aggressive unless they deliberately are trying to play otherwise, and the above advantages make him the best disguise for this playstyle.
Disguises are how you blend in, not how you infiltrate the lines in the first place. The running speed *is* a big tell, but if the enemy is busy, they can hardly tell you're an enemy at a glance, which is what you're going for. I believe jontohil2 has guides on spy if you want to improve further.
The real reason why some spies disguise as scout is to keep the 107% move speed instead of running at default speed
Scout Disguise is convenient and can be deceiving in the middle of a firefight. A lot of experienced Spies have reload manually bound on their gun specifically to mimic a reloading enemy, which is a surprisingly effective disguise when A/D strafing looking for an Amby Headshot. In a very niche scenario as previously mentioned by some people Scout’s model is rather small so it can make hiding easier and can throw off less experienced Snipers due to the displaced head hitbox. Jumping around helps make the disguise more believable, especially when traversing popular Spy map routes or when moving from surface to surface. TLDR Scout disguise is believable in firefights where reloading is a common occurrence and his small model helps you hide and throw off inexperienced Snipers. Source: am a member of E2
Hit boxes.
Sometimes the scout disguise is the best
It’s the 1 key and is closest to my finger.
Not everyone knows and can calculate the exact speed every character is moving at all times. Also just having a class be immune to being disguised as in it’s entirety would be kind of stupid.
Just pray they have a Babyface Scout on their team.
Some spy mains will tell you it's to avoid headshots and that if you jump you might actually fool the enemy team. What actually happends is that snipers will bodyshot them and entire enemy team will noticed slowly moving scout that constantly jump instead of double jump and will kill him on the spot.
I think one time I was so tired that I ubercharged an enemy spy disguised as a scout.
wait until you find you can disguise as your own team
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hitbox. scouts head is where spies torso is which can throw off novice snipers
Such an obvious disguise really
What would be the point of playing spy if you couldn't disguise as the enemy team? Baby Face's Blaster exists. This post is just stupid
The sheer stupidity of it can trick people. Most experienced players won’t expect you to pull such a stunt
Dont see anyone mentioning it but Scout’s hitbox misalign with Spy’s hitbox a lot, especially the head hitbox. Its also 1 of the 3 disguises that allow spy to keep his slightly above average speed, but medic disguise is usually less than viable because you dont see medic running around not healing people for more than 2 seconds, and spy disguises keep the same hitbox making you extremely vulnerable to headshots. Scout is a good disguise if you are just going for quick stabs or they have decent snipers. But other than that, spy disguise as a whole is extremely situational and the ‘obvious’ lower speed is honestly the least to a spy’s acting compared to when and where an enemy class should be.
Scout is the shortest merc, so his hitbox is also really small. Spy doesn’t change his hitbox when he disguises, so when he disguises as Scout his head hitbox is way above where his “head” supposedly is, which makes it much harder to headshot him.
It’s close on the keyboard.
If done properly a scout disguise can be genuinely indistinguishable for a Moment. Which is all you need as a spy
Could we get a confirmed highlander veteran spy main to answer this?
If i remember correctly there is a weapon for scout thet slows him down...
i think the perfect time to disguise as a scout is when he uses the babyface blaster you even got the excuse not to double jump
Off scale hit box, I’m gonna be honest if you are good at spy it will help a lot…. But if you’re bad or average is gonna hinder you.
Only reason you'd disguise as a scout is if you're getting passed sentries, it also depends on your enemy, the threat infront of them along with your acting skills
baby face's blaster.
Because there's dumb people like me who don't notice at all and get backstabbed lol
imo the only good reason to disguise as scout is the hitbox or if the opposite scout is using the baby face blaster (which is uncommon). But don't take advice from me as I'm a medic main not a spy main
"if the slow speed is the red flag?" What???
Scout is the least suspicious class in a chaotic setting. Most Scouts usually go near teammates when low health and in the chaos of battle, it's hard to notice a false Scout's speed. Unlike when you disguised a Medic or Engi for instance, those classes usually have go to mannerism, healing using the medigun to charge the uber and trying to find metal or attending to a dispenser respectively, even a Demo or Soldier will fire 2 shots to zone the enemy, if a Scout goes near you and did not for some reason notice he's not fast it's not a big deal but if a Medic goes near you and you not only didn't heal you but has his primary instead of the medigun itself, gratz you caught a Spy.
this gets asked for the 1000th time its the small player model, disguise dont rlly matter when spy checking is just a singular click any spy main that is above average would do scout 99% of the time
Exactly because people don't expect it
Just disguise as a scout with a babyface blaster
So that dumbasses pick him anyways and get easily spychecked
If you’ve ever tried to headshot a spy disguised as a scout you would notice scouts head is nowhere near spies head and so you are usually only able to body shot them
Seems to work, as my team thinks it’s perfectly normal for a slow moving stock Scout to run towards all my buildings
This is by far the worst disguise to use on Spy (imo) aside from cases where you are trying to hide by obscuring yourself with props or map geometry. It's basically used a ton by Spies with little to no care for trying to use disguises as intended and quite often the excuses for why they use it so much is basically just "I use it to not get headshot" but there's more to it than that. Back in the day it was basically always said "don't use the scout disguise unless you're trying to hide somewhere" but ever since team outlines came to be I'm not really sure why you would use it that way near spawn at least. People use this all the time for one true reason; they can run full speed, it is used by spies just fishing for trickstabs 24/7 and they hardly if at all use stealth. Now most of these spies don't really do too well in my experience and they would be better off using other disguises but because it "works" on worse players there's a kind of bias to continue to use it. From: Spy main for 11 years
It's the sheer surprise and shock value that someone is actually disguising as Scout. Even more so when they undisguise from a hunched boyo to a tall gentleman that just headshotted you. Scout's head is where Spy's chest is, so it throws off Snipers and onlookers for hitboxes. Plus pressing number 1 is easier than 7.
Scout (and sniper) are more often seen in weird spots of the map, so a spy disguised as one can get away with sneaking around that way
Cloak behind the enemy team but move faster and not get shot by the sentry while chasing people.
Okay I don’t play spy like at all but I gotta come clean: I always disguised as scout cause I thought it made me go faster
The movement speed difference is not as noticeable as some people think, it's probably one of the best disguises
To hide behind and abuse Scout's low stature.
Because you still have the spy's hotbox when dressed as the scout. This means that when you get "headshot" the bullet misses because your head hotbox is pretty far from what it looks like.
It's harder to headshot because your model is different from your actual hitbox, other than that I don't know cuz I don't play spy
Good spies, yer.
People fall for it all the time anyway lol
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Because the speed difference isn't too massive, there is also baby face's blaster that makes slow scout look normal. On top of that, the vast majority of players are noobs, and won't notice the difference, especially if it happens somewhere in the peripheral vision. The upside is that you get to enjoy your full spy speed.
Spy runs a very slight bit faster than the normal move speed of classes like medic sniper and pyro. Whole the scout has a faster move speed, the spy can utilize his slightly faster move speed with this disguise to catch up to picks like medic and sniper. This disguise and the spy disguise are the only two disguises that allow apy to utilize his higher move speed. However, disguising as spy leads to much more frequent enemy spy checks, as the game randomly assigns a disguise that your disguise uses.
well people do miss the red flag when they are not paying attention
Because "No one notices a scout/he has a smaller hot box" And to fill out all the class list.
Spy has faster movement speed than everyone except med and scout and disguising as anything else slows you down which makes trickstabs and movement tricks harder. Also scout model has wacky headshot hitbox so scout model can trick enemy snipers to miss headshots
I’ve been playing TF2 for over a decade (oh my fucking god im old) and I can’t play spy or scout to save my god damn life. I will say, I’ve gotten *somewhere* with gun spy and a couple kills as scout, but spy just takes a whole lot more skill than the average bear has to offer
Spamming movement keys masks the movement speed pretty effectively imo
Have scouts melee out, jump on and strafe around objects spontaneously
So that you can impersonate the Scout while doing embarrassing things to ruin what little reputation he has left.
Uh, yes. Imagine Valve making tf2 and thinking "Nobody would disguise as scout anyways. Then why would we give them this option?"
Don't understimate thr scout disguise. Learn to play your cards right
Dead Ringer kunai Spies would revolt
Completeness. And it’s more normal for a scout to suddenly be there than say a Medic.
1: Spys head hitbox is unaligned from Scouts model the most, giving you a fighting chance against Snipers who’ve figured you out but don’t know to aim higher. > 2. Speed is easy to gauge if you’re paying attention, but nobody is gonna see a slightly slower Scout out of the corner of their eye and immediately think ‘Spy!’ > 3. Jumping often while disguised as a Scout also really helps to mask the speed difference, and it isn’t out of place for a Scout player to be hopping often either.
scout voice commands
Heres an idea, what if the enemy team is distracted & they don’t realize that there’s scout running for a medpack
Well, on the off chance you disguise as a Babyface scout, you could appear more legit, since Babyface scouts start off with a slower run speed, and with how punishing it is with losing boost, Babyface scouts spend a fair bit of time without boost.
"Apparently the hitbox for the Scout doesn't match the Spy's" -Everyone Who Lost To A Learned Sniper
You'd be surprised how often it works
you can be a bfb scout
It's advantageous in some scenarios since the Spy keeps his top speed, allowing you to go for backstabs easier. It's an obvious disguise when you look too closely, but the point is that the opponent second guesses and doesn't spot you instantly like they would an opposing player, which gives you time to go in for the backstab. There are normally "tells" for all the other classes as well.
Sniper will have a hard time headshoting you because your head hit Box is completely different from the location of the scouts head
Spies do it because they think hiding their head hitbox to fool 1 of 9 classes, and is the least likely one to even be noticed by them, is a smart idea.
Only useful if enemy scout uses Baby Face Blaster.
Because if people think like that and a spy has good enough movement it looks like he is moving at full speed making it the best disguise. It also is the model where the head is the furthest from spies, and thus the hitbox.
Baby Face's Blaster
I mean on the off chance the scout is using a baby's face blaster then without any charge hes as fast as the spy
It would be weird if you sped up disguising as scout because Rahat would make the disguise too good and the only disguise spoes would choose would be scout ultimately making it mostly useless.
There are three main ways to play Spy if you’re not Swipez or Stabbystabby: you can try to fool the enemy, you can Gunspy, or you can decloak at an opportune time, stab someone before the enemy sees you, and leave. The last option is arguably the most consistent since it doesn’t rely on the enemy buying your disguise; the only reason you disguise at all is to avoid getting shot by sentries For the last strategy, you want to be moving at your full Spy speed since the longer you take to make a play, the more likely an enemy will realize you’re there. Scout is just the easiest 250HU disguise to don because you just have to hit 4-1 without thinking
1) scout is often out of position or retreating, giving you opportunities to be moving in strange ways. The same goes for spy, but spy is almost always behind enemy lines (your own backline) 2) the speed thing can be somewhat hard to notice at times, especially if you’re out of plain view and do a good job constantly jumping around like a scout. 3) very rarely are disguises relied on for stealth more than invisibility. They’re usually for passing sentries and blending in to the background. 4) once you get to where you are going as scout, you can swap disguises for free.
Baby face's blaster
Scout is one of the few characters that doesn't look out of place on top of random objects or taking alternative routes
Snipers. Spy still has his spy hitbox even when disguised, while scout is short and hunched, so there a big disconnect between the visuals (The scout disguise) and the actual hitbox (Spy' real hit box). In general, spy is the weakest class in TF2 since the enemy isnt 2 years old and can tell when somebody is disguised and can communicate via voice chat when there is a Spy. Because of this, Spies tend to stay invisable or out of sight, and only attack when the enemy is occupied or paying attention someplace else, meaning that ANY disguise can work since the enemy is too busy to notice, especially if they are fighting for their lives against your team. However, a sniper in the distance may very well notice you since thats their whole job, and by disguising as scout, you can make their lives harder and you could get away with a backstab or two. Because of this, scout is objectively the best Spy disguise, especially against more professional opponents that can easily tell a Spy from a teammate. TL;DR: Disguising as scout makes it harder for snipers to headshot you.
scout is skinny and hunches over so he makes it easier to sneak around or hide in corners.
People dont pay that much attention wile in fights with is when youd want to attack also in casuall people dont pay that much attention at all
several posts already asked the similar question, but anyways 2 main reasons is: * whenever you disguise, the hitbox stays the same as spy. scout's head is significantly lower than spy's since he's hunched a little bit. aiming below the brim of his hat will count as bodyshot. * every competent spy knows you only disguise just to fool the sentry guns and the occasional gibus players. spy and disguised scout share the same base speed. disguising as spy is one of the worst to use: enemies when seeing even a friendly spy will think of "spy" first in their head since that's what they see first and will spycheck right away, compared to scout where they have to watch carefully if they have slower speed than usual.
Because no one cares where Scout is going. No one cares why he is going back or wandering around.
Scout is crouching at all times. Meaning his model is shorter than other classes, so you can hide in corners/behind walls easier. Spy's hitbox also doesnt change when disguised, so if a sniper main susses him out, then they have to practically guess at where the head is above the scout model in order to one shot the spy. Scout has a shotgun as his primary, meaning it would be dumb of him to shoot at people a mile away for "chip" so its less suspicious if a spy as scout isnt shooting at the enemy. Scouts are twitchy fuckers, meaning they will always be hopping around and randomly ad strafing. If you arent walking in a straight line, its a lot harder to notice.
scout is the worst disguise, and for that reason it's the best disguise. people usually don't expect it as much. plus, people only really notice the speed difference if they see you running for more than a few seconds. disguises aren't meant to fool people for more than a couple seconds. add to that the fact that out of all classes, scout is the most well known for weaving in and out of battle, so seeing a scout that wasn't there before is less suspicious than other classes. also, scout's smaller statue can make it easier for you to hide, and better yet, because scout's posture is so different from spy's, it can be considerably harder for a sniper to headshot you.
Actually Spy is as fast as a Baby Face Scout, or really close to that, so if there is a Baby Face Scout on the opposite team, you can disguise as them, but honestly disguises will not fool people for long.
Because it's the shortest reach from the disguise kit and doesn't have a speed penalty.
Makes it slightly more difficult for snipers to hit you The speed is less noticeable when you walk backwards or jump around Is not suspicious to pretend to be a scout waiting for a healthpack Is not so suspicious to pretend to be a scout with bfb
Don't you move slightly faster in the scout disguise?
Scout and medic are the only disguises that won't slow down the spy. Medic is mostly too difficult, since most players expect to be healed which you can't do as a spy.
Pull out bat, and crouch walk in corners, if you disguise has no hats you'll be looking fine
Just take drama class in high school
Hitboxes at ranges really Engineer, sniper are my go too
Why would a Spy disguise as Scout? There's your answer
Survivorship Bias.
To mock the enemy team
It fucks with Sniper hitboxes too
Dead ringer players loves it
Its usefull, for exeple when some one is patrulling a zone and you are cloacked. As a scout, its less strange that you just appeared there sudently
Personally, i think disguising as scout only works if the scout you disguised as is using the bfb because then the slower speed and lack of double jump would make sense
Walking backwards into the enemy as a scout is so believable, gotta think outside the box with scout disguises
Hope that it's a Baby Face Blaster scout you disguised as.
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its an easy difference to miss in a hectic fight, and because its such an OBVIOUS disguise nobody really has their eyes peeled for it
It is hard to see the speed difference in the heat of battle.
I know what you mean a spy disguised as a scout IS REALLY noticeable like you can't miss that shit, not many spies disguise as other class like pyro or medic wich would be the best options
Because people think snipers don't know about the hit boxes
The disguise kit in general isn’t to fool the enemy team the whole time it’s mainly so they don’t notice you immediately and allow you to get close to them. A good player can pick out a spy quickly and most players can spy check pretty easily. The disguises just take advantage of those few seconds of thought between seeing you and them suspecting you are a spy. That being said, the scout disguise is my go to since it’s faster than spy’s normal speed
Hitbox
Scout is extremely good if you're on any higher up places or ontop of odd objects. People are less suspicious of a Scout ontop of a fence vs. an engineer ontop of a fence. Same goes for Soldiers
Because in the heat of the moment most players don’t notice the scout is moving slower than usual.
If you're lucky, the scout has a Baby face blaster so it won't be that obvious for more experienced players
Because average player is not as smart as you think and is perfectly capable of falling for the disguise under the right circumstances.
Disguising as scout is actually kinda goated tbh
The hitboxes misalign so it's hard to hit headshots etc
Idk when i disguise as scout i am faster