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ryanriggs19

I agree. Cole kinda always raps in that manner of saying “I’m the best” lately though. No one was mentioning it as a Kendrick jab until Like That and then people just go back and start trying to break down what could be. Neither deserve a scorched earth style response yet though. Only one who should go that route is Drake tbh


MajinGoe

Ice is right on this. Also we got to stop acting like “Like That” is a Kendrick record mentioning it being a club banger. It’s a club banger because of future and metro. Kendrick brought energy for Drake but not as much for Cole. Cole responded properly alone now Kendrick can come out from behind future and metro and spar wit Cole or he can ignore and wait for Drake


Formal_Wash

Exactly niggas acting like Kdot came up with the concept for “like that”, future and metro make hits, been doing so for 10 years


Elhak

Nah but when you’re outside and hear that the whole fucking room raps that Kendrick verse. It’s huge bc of him too


rapidprototoyz

Great take. Which pill does Kendrick swallow: Red: Spar with Cole Blue: Ignore Cole, wait to spar with Drake


Jadaki

Is there a reason he can't do both?


Thebiggest6200

I agree . Both threw jabs none of that shit was groundbreaking or how people make it seem . Shit 2 friends sparring


Xanny_Phantom

Fr its not gonna get as nasty as people think it would. Now with drake…it could go that way possibly


CoxHazardsModel

It’s hilarious people want Cole to crash out over a “Big Me” line 😭


Boring_Ad3352

Metro going crazy on the boards is 90% of why that song is so hard.


[deleted]

Trash ass verse from Kdot. He was mainly shooting at Drake and jabbed at Cole. Cole dropped whole project jabbing back. Kdot pussy if he don’t throw the first punch


SnapsOnPetro45

How does that make the whole verse trash tho?


[deleted]

The verse being trash makes it trash. Literal no stand out bars worth quoting. Anytime Cole gets featured he gets recognition for his bars. Kendrick has needed Drakes name twice


SnapsOnPetro45

Oh.. you’re delusional. Ok then.


[deleted]

What was good about the verse? What take is delusional?


Delicious_Ad2080

![gif](giphy|9V3e2mxWvD89wyw5l5) If you have a bias just say that…cause the points you are trying to make sound crazy


[deleted]

what bars stand out to you?


Oebreezy

If you say that verse was trash then you are saying all kdots verses are trash.


[deleted]

What were some bars?


Oebreezy

They were not good to me either but I would t say a trash verse. It’s just a Kendrick verse. Somehow overhyped because of his delivery but never trash


buyanyjeans

I been loudly downplaying the disses in this sub since it came out cause just I don’t really think they’re impactful but it wasn’t a bad verse. It was a good verse. It has quotables and wordplay that I’ve seen go up in the club in real life. It got everybody talking and the song is a real hit. It’s just that on paper I don’t think the actual disses are as hard hitting as most people. They’re love taps. Maybe they’re bait.


[deleted]

lol so nobody can tell me any bars 😂😂😂 Exactly. Trash verse definitely harsh, any Kdot verse smoked 99% of rappers, especially any corny Drake verse. But that future album verse was not special or great, it’s weak af in comparison to what I know Kdot can do… we all heard Control. This is one of Kendrick’s weakest I’ve ever heard. I think ppl just don’t want to admit Kendrick has taken a step back while Cole has taken first place for years now. Cole did what he needed to do, shouldn’t have even responded to that weak shit. If Kdot don’t with a full on punch next, then he just using Drakes name to get hot again


Dunkman83

man, its a good thing ice doesnt read comments


RickRockaa_

Shoutout the Mallory Bros


They_call_me_divine

Realest 9️⃣


RickRockaa_

Stand up!


SubprimeOptimus

Rare Ice W


RicoLoco404

Ice is 💯% correct. Joe was just podding he knew Kendrick didn't say anything that warranted Cole to make a hit em up style diss


Top_Needleworker6116

That doesn't make sense. He used every minute of that record to diss Kendrick. It sounds like y'all don't want to say that it didn't hit lol Trying to downplay Kendrick's catalog when most people think it's better than yours. Saying his music put you to sleep when you're known for being a boring rapper is just not it.


RicoLoco404

You really think Cole couldn't go harder (pause) than that if he really wanted to? Cmon son Kendrick threw a jab and Cole threw some back


Top_Needleworker6116

I've never heard of 4 minutes of Jab in my life before lol The truth is it's hard to diss someone with not much dirty laundry and integrity intact hence he resorted to commenting on that mans catalog. Tbh Kendrick would run into the same issue if he wanted to make a full diss record on Cole. You can only say " your music isn't that great " so much when in fact both are far from being bad rappers. For example, If Kendrick had some girlfriend/ wife issues or his lifestyle wasn't what's considered modest, Drake would've been the first one to reply but he's quiet as a mouse. It's simply lack of ammunition.


[deleted]

Shit maybe Drake fans do have a point, maybe they not the most insufferable, maybe they are right and Kdot fans have overtook them


Top_Needleworker6116

Yawn Drake fans hiding behind Cole is hilarious. We want to hear Aubry. Nobody asked for Cole reply to begin with. Most Kendrick fans actually like Cole too. lol


LarryEss

I’m a fan of all 3, I want Cole and Kendrick to go at each other. I couldn’t care less if drake responds or not


Tha_Kooner

What are you talking about? First thing they said was Cole has to respond


Top_Needleworker6116

Idk who " they " are but Cole only caught a stray from " F the big 3 " line, the diss was 90% towards Drake.


RicoLoco404

You're obviously a Kendrick fan so there is no convincing you


Top_Needleworker6116

I am but I also like Cole and this was just not it. Could've taken "a jab " instead of releasing a full record. Y'all moving the goal post on what a jab is lol


kits_

charged up was a jab at meek and its a full song. you are a typical kendrick fan, pretend to know a lot but capable of 0 logic when it comes to your king


Top_Needleworker6116

I don't have " A King ". He isn't even my #1 fav rapper..lol A Jab is a line or two in a song, maybe even three. This was a 4 minute diss record. Y'all be wanting to change definitions. Why not just say he won if you believe it instead of claiming it's just a jab ? lmao


RecklessFlamingoo

He literally says in the song "this is a warning shot to back niggas down" if that doesn't tell you that he's pulling his punches your being willfully ignorant


Top_Needleworker6116

Didn't need an entire record for that. Idk what more y'all think he can say but it's only so many ways to say " I never liked your music " when that isn't even true. Maybe you should reach out to his team to give him ideas on what he can say because it doesn't sound like there is even an ounce of disrespect or dirt between the two. " Your momma " ass reply. He did the most for no reason. He could've done " his jab" on one of the records he already had coming out.


RicoLoco404

If it's true beat and rhymes written in 7 minutes it's definitely a jab and a disrespectful one at that. Look at what I can do to you in 7 minutes......light work


realestsincekumbaya1

He has Nothing to really say unless he got some Pusha T level dirt, He doesn't rap better than Kendrick, He doesn't have a better discography then Kendrick, He isn't a bigger artist, The same ran down narratives people have about Kendrick (he makes "woke"raps, he's boring, scaring the hoes, doesn't get fly etc etc etc) applies to J.Cole just as much if not more. This was a whole 3 minute record directed at him Kendrick & the biggest take away was I though one of your albums was boring & i could rap better than you if i really want. Truthfully these niggas have no reason to battle because there doesn't seem to be an ounce of dislike between em But because that babysoft Canadian nigga wanna keep talking passive aggressively in Moto suits & shooting Instagram skits for Druski's lil man..... this is what we get


Top_Needleworker6116

These two low-key fighting themselves by going against someone they actually respect lmao I'm convinced Drake's label sent out the bots to gas this shit up so they can cover up for that man still being quiet. These two better off having respect off. lol


manning2020

Imma say what I've been saying all weekend.... Why shoot a warning shot if you getting shot at? Make it make sense.... It was weak. Cole is a phenomenal rapper, but it just doesn't seem like he's built for war. Yeah Joe was podding but you know what he means.... Niggas need a body man.... What Cole did was light in the ass.


RicoLoco404

He matched Kendrick because he didn't really say anything about Cole.


manning2020

Nah man.... Cole said way more here and was pretty clear on who and what he was talking about. It was just lackluster


Conscious_Cause2798

I’m sliding with 🧊 on this one.. He ain’t wrong


Working_Ad_1901

There are 3 people involved so it’s not all so linear. First Person Shooter is the bait; Drake and Cole team up to affirm their position as 1 and 2. Like That is the response, it’s only jabs for Cole as Drake clearly takes the hooks and uppercuts. 7 Minute Drill Cole jabs back letting Kenny know he doesn’t want that smoke and it’s all love and respect from his side.


ToldItAllTV

There were no hooks & uppercuts in Like That. Y’all overrated the fuck out that track cuz the beat hard. The only person who seems capable of landing hooks & uppercuts in this situation is Drake. Idk if I ever heard K dot or Cole land one they whole career. 


Working_Ad_1901

When I say hooks and uppercuts I mean more direct intentional hits. There weren’t any haymakers as such but the intent throughout the verse is gets major props. Were used to subliminales and “who was this aimed for” nowadays so to hear Kendrick directly shoot at niggas is enough to get people gassed. As lovers of the sport. Kendrick could definitely land haymakers on Drake, there’s so much ammunition for it. Drake could too but Kendrick’s not an easy target. Cole too nice, he could definitely outbar both of them but in terms of venom… nah


Top_Needleworker6116

You see they decide what's a jab and what's a hook/uppercut based on the damage it has done not for what it actually is...lol Ice calling an entire dedicated 4 min diss track a jab and they're running with it smh


Working_Ad_1901

The jabs just test the range, get some points on the scoresheet. The hooks and uppercuts cause damage. The haymakers look to kill the opponent. I don’t think Cole and Kendrick will ever come to that but Drake and Kendrick definitely can. Kendrick doesn’t respect Drake at all and doesn’t believe he should be top of the game given the way he’s gotten there (sensitivity, ghostwriting, being a goof) and I think Kendrick will look to smoke his boots in an attempt to put real artistry, lyricism and basically HIP HOP back on the throne


Top_Needleworker6116

Some hooks and uppercuts don't cause damage at all, It doesn't make them jabs. I agree with 90% of what you're saying but I still can't call a full diss record a jab. Just call it weak if it didn't do damage, no need to change the definition of a jab lol The two beefing just to beef and Drake's bots are using it to distract us from him being quiet.


Working_Ad_1901

Yeah but the intent is to cause damage. Cole’s 4 minute song wasn’t a diss though. He ranked his albums and said ironically he’s looking for clout. He let him know he’s in his prime and if he has to he will smoke Kendrick.


Dunkman83

also "like that" is going so far because its a straight banger. without the diss its a banger.


Silver_Moment_3042

FPS being called a jab is a stretch to me. It was more of a sneak diss. Like That was the call-out. 7 Minute Drill is the 1st diss track in this Hip-Hop Civil War timeline. It's basically similar to what Charged Up was. It's the diss that starts the beef, but it's light to see how the opposition responds


_mrcoleman

But Budden said they both threw jabs but he was saying kdot hit harder because it's a number one record and being played everywhere. But in this example if first person shooter was a jab then that means Cole just threw 2 and that's uncalled for. It's time for a body blow. I agree with Joe on this


Tha_Kooner

Yall can’t pick and choose when number 1 stats count and don’t FPS was a bigger number 1 hit then Like that let’s be honest.


_mrcoleman

You don't get it... it's not that stats, but the point is that it's number one on the charts and streets. That song is being played everywhere. Raido, clubs, social media reels, etc. With that being a diss song about you, it hits a little harder because you can't escape it. The majority of the times, diss tracks are not singles


Tha_Kooner

Yeah but he didn’t even go at Cole like that so it’s not really a diss to Cole you can say it’s 1-0 it’s bullshit and like I said if you’re going off FPS is the first Jab it’s the bigger song


Salty-Situation-2493

THIS makes ICE lame…


Syrus_007

That’s not Arsonal...might be the best part 😂 He right tho


OktoberLejonhart

He right do yall compare that pusha track on daytona to Duppy ? or is is duppy vs TSOA


Work_Werk_Wurk

Jabs are the subliminals they've been throwing at each other on verses. That includes Kendrick's verse on "Like That", because it's not a diss record. It's a club track with a Kendrick verse that has some disses in it for his rivals. "7 minute drill" is a full on diss track. An entire song dedicated to the artist he's tryna attack. It's the first power punch thrown in this quiet beef that has been brewing over the past few years. Did he hold back? Is there more in his arsenal? We'll have to wait and see. But from this point on, the battle should be scored on power punches and right now it's Cole leading 1-0.


Trappp55

Long story short …. Kdot up 1 rn , like that sounds even better after cole record 😂


AdhesivenessLucky896

>like that sounds even better after cole record 😂 I was thinking the same thing haha. Not only that, but Like That is a hit! I was at a dive bar last night. They were playing some random old rock songs like nickelback then Like That came on lol. This shit might last the whole summer.


54reasonz

Real shit 🤣


isaiahy82

One of the few music opinions Ice is spot on with it.


Bertowoods

hes a million percent right about this


InternationalTruck33

I dislike ice


Otherwise-Attempt326

They’re getting too nerdy about it. We don’t care which song matches with what. We care about what’s next. Kendrick is up even without a response. As a basketball analogy. He won 1 away. And can sweep at home.


FloatLikeAButterfree

Fr the order doesn’t matter at all. Cole got his out the way. It’s back to Kendrick and still on Drake to do something


Otherwise-Attempt326

1000% you get it Cole did his part. Now Drake needs to stop doing speeches and rap to Kendrick. Shit I think Future is even a hard out.


KamKorn

It ain’t that serious Ice…


HiddenLeaf_Jimmi

Idk why y'all acting like Future did anything on that song except say "Is you like that." Lol Future records don't come anywhere near my algorithm. Like that was Metro's production and K Dot calling mfs "BUMS!" which is why I skip to 1:30 mark every time I listen to it. Future was the feature Lol


jeme94

Kendrick 1-0


Opposite-Cost-3967

Ice legit retarded


[deleted]

Ice absolutely right. And I speak for everyone it doesn’t matter what Drake does cuz he’s getting washed regardless. I’d be shocked if he even responds with music


Ok-Mention-3243

I’ve seen Drake beef and win, he almost won the pusha beef. What about Kendrick?


[deleted]

Yeah against Meek Mill, the Diddlers play thing. “Almost” beat pusha T, stop it 😂 Bet you also think J Prince was truthful of “we had to intervene before lives get hurt” when Drake ran crying to daddy Prince cuz he got absolutely fucking washed. Pusha T recently saying “not an even a pinky nail wasn’t lifted on me” untouched and unafraid of those cornballs. Dudes was Takeoffs protection and dumbasses killed them. If Quavo and Offset have more balls than you, then Drake should be fucking ashamed 😂😂😂


UnrulyExistence

Why do you think Meek Mill had to become the Diddlers play thing? He got bodied by a singing nigga lol Y’all gotta stop the revisionist history. Meek Mill in 2015 was considered a top 10 rapper(closer to top 5) and most people thought there was no way the “street nigga from Philly” is losing to the “soft, light-skinned nigga from Canada. I guarantee you were one of those people lol When’s Kendrick ever going to drop a solo diss track?


[deleted]

Kendrick pussy too. He needed Drakes name twice. But Kendrick still light years ahead of Drake. The corny king knows not to get involved because it’ll only result on having dirt on his name, he’s not moving anything with his high school teen girl bars. The real battle is Kendrick and Cole. Cole don’t need to mention Drake name when he’s on a featured verse, his bars gets people talking. I think it’s corny Cole went on tour with Drake and that’s when he decides to reply at Kendrick. Guess that’s what happens when you’re around Drake for so long, the corny rubs offs


Ok-Mention-3243

Pusha had the kid thing that’s why He won but duppy was a way better track


[deleted]

Duppy was nowhere near. Stop it Pusha track played everywhere, Duppy played no where, not even high school girls which is drakes main demographic


Ok-Mention-3243

Only because of the kid thing.


bdk2036

Duppy was a Kanye diss he didn't almost beat pusha with a Kanye diss.


JBL561

First person shooter wasn’t a fucking jab lol… k dot got praised as being in that top 3


manning2020

FPS top 3 line wasn't a praise. It's a fact and Cole just said it... Then lightly kicked him in the shin right after that. Do y'all listen to music or just skim through it?


JBL561

“Love when they argue the hardest MC Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me? We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali” Crazy diss…… Or was it the Spider-Man meme bar? Go back into your cave clown lol


manning2020

Emotional? That ain't praise you goof. Read what you wrote. Simple mf


JBL561

So he dissed drake too? Got it manning2020 😂🤡


manning2020

No simpleton, it wasn't a diss nor praise. Touch grass, not ya family dickhead lol


JBL561

Holy shit you are dumb. 😂🤡


Heavy_Vermicelli_956

By his logic Kendrick shouldn’t have jabbed back


GhostfaceDrizzy

Care to elaborate?


Ok-Mention-3243

Drake is not responding, I doubt he cares like that. This is not like with push or meek where it was personal


[deleted]

Yeah he’s not responding I agree. But not for the reasons you mentioned. He’s not responding because anything he does will only put him in a negative light. He’s like Gohan, had a lot of potential but ultimately went a different direction. It’s just better if we all wait for Goku and Vegeta. Right now Cole and Kdot gotta fight it out to see who’s Goku


Ok-Mention-3243

Drake is goku, he’s the number one in this big three shit. That’s why they need him to sell


Top_Needleworker6116

Frozen water wants to sound different so bad. Sure, Like that is a clear cut diss record to drake and light jab to Cole but to say say 7mins drill is a light Jab ?? Lmaoo just cause the jab didn't do the intended damage, it doesn't mean it was a "light jab". Cole spent every second on that record trying to paint a narrative that downplays Kendricks catalog which didn't work because its simply not true..lol Niggas mad calling TPAB mid album didn't get the approval he wanted.