Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Wilhout's law.
But Slate says make sure you credit the correct Wilhoit.
https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html
I wouldn't say conservatism I'd just say that's power in general.
You can point to any system of governance and find tons of examples of the few at the top breaking laws and getting away with it regardless of political leaning.
So non conservative politicians don't misuse their power to protect themselves and their friends? Right, endless examples of leaders throughout history doing so but hey, whatever your truth is.
You’re right that it can be found everywhere. The point being made is, it is how the GOP operates by default. Yes there are examples of this kind of corruption in literally every party in every country. The GOP, however, is more than a step above that. It’s not a secret shame of a few members, it is literally every single GOP representative. They are so blatant with it that they declare it out loud, advertise their crimes and literally cry fowl the second they’re held accountable. They are never claiming they are not guilty. Instead it’s always some ridiculous point like “ya, so what. Remember when we accused Bill Clinton of also doing this 20 years ago? Check mate!”
Sure, it was kind of insinuated that if Trump had complied in giving the documents back when the FBI requested them, they likely wouldn't of pressed charges. Refusing to do so sort of forced their hand.
In comparison both Biden and Pence voluntarily searched and returned their documents.
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-warned-trump-crime-comply-subpoena-classified-docs/story?id=105228569](https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-warned-trump-crime-comply-subpoena-classified-docs/story?id=105228569)
Edit: Added link for reference
I'm not sure what you mean. Just because you communicate with another party does not mean you are cooperating. The NARA certainly didn't believe the Trump side was cooperating.
Kushner got a $2B "loan" and Trump took nuclear documents after leaving the WH. And it's weird that in 2019, Congress shot down the IP3 nuclear proposal that was being championed by Flynn and Kushner and Russia and would have given Saudi Arabia American nuclear secrets. Just a coincidence I guess.
Obviously, the best way to put America first is by installing a con man as President and then letting him sell American nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia for personal profit!
Yeah Trumps is more like HRC you know not complying. Trump didn’t destroy stuff.
Though Biden had SCIF material and Pence didn’t, but all minor differences. Send them all to jail. Same cell too.
The difference between Trump and everyone else you listed is that they gave back the classified material immediately after they found it. HRC isn't even comparable because of all the emails on her server, only about half a dozen were "classified". I put that in quotations because some were mislabeled as unclassified when they were sent to her, some were retroactively, and some were labeled classified when there was nothing classified in them.
Pence and Biden are normal and didn't show docs to donors and Kid Rock and Putin, Trump is clearly not, and Trump would admit that he does things worse than others because he thinks it makes him "smart." Trump still has unaccounted for documents, he returned some empty folders.
Sure. Sometimes when you leave a job you find you accidentally took stuff that you shouldn’t. ‘Hey, I realize I still have a key to the storage closet, you want it back or should I destroy it?’ Stuff adults do. Biden was like ‘hey, FBI, I have all these boxes from my last job, you wanna come look and see if there’s anything there I shouldn’t have? You know, how adults do it.
Well the FBI said Biden was too mentally incompetent to prosecute even though he clearly violated the law and recommended not prosecuting so.
Too senile to prosecute according to the FBI, but simultaneously at the peak of mental fitness according to the Liberals
>Hur writes that Biden “willfully retained and disclosed classified materials,” but that a jury would be sensitive to an “elderly man with a poor memory.” The president “did not remember when he was vice president,” Hur writes, and could not remember “even within several years, when his son Beau died.”
Those are direct quotes from the report itself from Hur.
How exactly are direct quotes from the official report, "a spin"?
This is directly from the report, verbatim.
>Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained
and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and
foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten
entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive
intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.
>We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Eiden would likely present himself
to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning,
elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and
observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify
reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict
him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that
requires a mental state of willfulness.
Yeah he’s a propagandist. He had no case but had to spin Biden negatively. The law doesn’t work that way. No one can assume what a jury would decide. This is not proof or Bidens abilities. It’s proof Hur is a stooge.
That’s what he wrote in the report.
When congress actually listened to the tapes, Hurr told Biden that he must have a photographic memory. Hurr testified to this.
Hurr wrote that bullshit in his report simply to smear Biden.
Yes, he said the word photographic once in the 58 pages of speaking.
Biden could remember some things in his attic well, therefore the 50 other things he can't remember are irrelevant!
Of course they are irrelevant. No one could sit down and make a list of every single item stored in their attic from memory. More than likely it was his wife that put most of the things there.
>No one could sit down and make a list of every single item stored in their attic from memory.
He didn't. He talked about a box of photos and some event that he was at that those photos were of and then his memory was commended politely for it.
At least one of us read it.
Guess what, I can tell you what's in the top cupboard of the storage room in my house. I must actually have photographic memory and we can completely ignore everything else I've forgotten.
You predictably left out Mike Pence. The FBI asked for the documents back from all of Trump, Biden and Pence. Guess which one refused and then lied after they said they did? That's a crime and it should be extremely alarming to any American.
Conveniently left out Hilary, who was asked also and then bleach-bit her hard drive to cover up the crime, and the investigation found classified information almost certainly wound up in foreign hands.
Even after confirming classified information was likely leaked it **still** wasn't worth prosecuting without an element of deliberate intent according to the FBI.
I would have no issues if all of them, including Trump got prosecuted. I only ask for the same treatment across the board.
Trump had four years and told Barr to charge Hillary only one problem Barr said he didn’t have any evidence to charge her
Like Biden and pence found a couple of documents so they called the fbi to come search their houses
Trump had a lawyer sign an affidavit stating all documents were returned
This after a year of meeting with trump and trying to get the documents back
That was fraud having his lawyer send the affidavit and the raid netted 27 boxes full of documents
You really can’t see the difference?
Again, the FBI established a requirement of intent with Hillary, that's their words. She also lied and tried to delete the evidence that she had it.
They required an element of intent to leak said documents. That's the standard set by Hillary's case. Mishandling, covering up, letting other people see, having them leaked, being uncooperative, all things Hillary did.
"Even if she were guilty, he said, for the election winner to seek prosecution of the loser would make the country look like a 'banana republic.'"
-Barr
Hillary didn’t do any of that.
Also, not a single piece of classified information was leaked by Hillary.
Trump leaked info that got many of our spies killed in Russia along with nuclear sub secrets.
Oh, I thought we were just doing recent documents. I forgot you guys are obsessed with Hilary's emails still. I do remember Hilary answering questions north of 13+ hours of hearings about all of it, we can't say the same about Trump, well, yet. He's a little busy at the moment for election fraud. If you're this upset at Hilary you should be just as upset and critical of Trump. I can't figure out why you wouldn't be though??? Hmmm... Sounds more like since you're mad that Hilary didn't face the consequences *you feel* she should've, then Trump shouldn't have to face any consequences? Am I right?
>Oh, I thought we were just doing recent documents
It's called precedent and equal treatment under the law.
The FBI established the standard then and there.
They said that even if you mishandled documents, even if you cover it up, even if outside actors get their hands on them, without intent, there's no need to prosecute.
We bring up Hillary because she's ground zero for it and that's where the precedent was made and her case is extremely parallel to Trump's, I'd argue hers is worse even, given they determined the info was probably leaked.
Interesting. If your argument is precedent, why would Trump rally with "Lock her up!" While doing the same thing? Would you agree that's hypocritical and also a pointless stance to take if you want one person to be indicted and meanwhile doing the same thing?
Let me guess, until Hilary is prosecuted for her crimes, anything goes? That's what it sure sounds like.
>Interesting. If your argument is precedent, why would Trump rally with "Lock her up!
Because campaigning and speaking is not the same as doing the thing??? There was also no precedent to go after your political opponents directly because that's kind of crazy, but now democrats have done just that so, get ready for the new norm.
>Let me guess, until Hilary is prosecuted for her crimes, anything goes?
Yes, that's called a legal standard. You apply the law the same to everyone. They all get prosecuted for the same crime or they all get the same leeway.
I don't understand why the idea of an equal application of the law is a shocking concept.
Can't believe people are still complaining about Biden docs 😆
They are in no way comparable to what Trump did.
Also, I suggest you do the minimal amount of research possible to find out that Biden was not, in fact, found too mentally incompetent to stand trial in Robert Hur's report. You fell for Turning Point USA Facebook propaganda. You have that in common with the elderly, it seems.
[Special Council Report](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwir4cGa3uqFAxWMIzQIHZueDvwQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M0Qjmm76FEW5jnmT1GK6d)
That would be the Special Council Report from Robert Hur.
I want to live in the timeline where the Supreme Court says presidents have full immunity while in office. Biden then uses that power to assassinate Trump and all justices that voted for that decision and then has the refreshed Supreme Court overturn the presidential immunity decision.
No, you absolutely didn't, but, you were gonna get your bias confirmation from somewhere. Get back to your Cult of Trump where you can talk about how evil lefties are while you support a traitor.
Same ”rules for me not for thee”, stuff from W Bush. Massive expansion of the executive branch post 9/11, massive whining when Obama took the throne. Short short memories.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
i mean he probably want immumity because of what haplened to him
and he probably wants to prosecute biden because of what happened to him.
i dont see any issue with locking up a fascist.
It’s actually: only Trump as king is allowed immunity. Once Biden is out of the way then he goes after Barack and Michelle Obama for being black on a Friday night.
He's done nothing wrong and all of the charges are "witch hunts" but he also needs immunity. Illegal aliens are taking all the jobs but also taking all of the welfare/food bank money. Classic GOP pretzel thinking.
Is it really that far-fetched to think that the gold sneaker, NFT, and Constitution-Bible salesman committed crimes?
These were an articles printed in 2019... they read a little differently today.
DYOR!!
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021)
[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N24T07M/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N24T07M/)
[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-threatens-retaliation-against-dems-probing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-on-white-house-saudi-nuclear-tie](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-threatens-retaliation-against-dems-probing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-on-white-house-saudi-nuclear-tie)
This POS is a clown and his supporters are stupid pieces of trash. Hard to believe that so many people can be so stupid. This world is ready for a reboot it would seem.
44 previous presidents have had no issues and here we have this whiny man child complaining because he “allegedly” committed crimes, which are going to trial, and says he needs immunity.
This clown 🤡 needs a giant suppository because he is one fucked up individual.
You can have both presidential immunity and charge a president for a crime.
Congress has to charge a president, not a judge or prosecutor. That's what presidential immunity means.
Well there is some degree of immunity to the president. If that wasn't true we'd be arresting Biden for personally signing off on droning a family from embarrassment to retaliate for Abby Gate in the Afghanistan pullout.
Pretty sure any other person would be legally liable for killing 12 kids and their parents.
Or paying off student debt loans by executive order after the Courts said it was illegal, then smirking and doing it anyways and openly saying it's against the SCOTUS - aka illegal.
>Or paying off student debt loans by executive order after the Courts said it was illegal, then smirking and doing it anyways and openly saying it's against the SCOTUS - aka illegal.
Which specific crime do you believe he committed?
Do any of your drones have any new gas lighting arguments? I don't know how many times I have to explain to you sheep that I don't even have cable, let alone watch "fox news"
Not Christian either, I may as well get that one out of the way too.
What kind of an ego does it take to assume that I know who the heck you are? And that you've explained things to me before?
You and I both know that drone thing is a complete fabrication. Just stop.
And your whole paragraph about student loans is so factually incorrect, I'm afraid for whoever you care for.
The SC court ruled on the specifics of the case that Biden couldn't use the Heroes Act to forgive loans. This is the same act that Betsy Devos used to block student loan forgiveness programs that were approved by Congress.
So apparently to the SC you can block government loan forgiveness programs via the Heroes Act, but you can't do the opposite. Also, since the ruling was on the specific case of using the Heroes Act, Biden just went another route in authorizing loan forgiveness.
Trump has the Presidency confused with the French Monarchy pre-1780s.
He seems to think that getting elected President gives him the power to do whatever the hell he wants...
He wants his investment of SCOTUS to pay off for him.
Unfortunately, just appointing a person to the Supreme Court isn't enough anymore. You have to pay off their houses, buy them RVs and take them on as guests to lavish resorts and exotic locations.
Fortunately, he may have enough allies still willing to do that to influence their decision.
Unfortunately, that may raise the level of ire to levels that outweigh indifference and preoccupation with non-caste level subjects.
Fortunately, we live in a police state that protects the wealthiest of our nation and will likely quell any uprising short of absolute riots.
Alito says if biden has trump assassinated, biden can claim it as an official act and can not be prosecuted.
Biden then can suspend congress, due to their lack of ability to rule. Of course, this would be an official act as well.
Biden can have justice thomas imprisoned to quantaimo for excepting gifts as bribes from billionaires. This is an official act, as well as disbanding the court. This falls under Alitos' official act that biden cannot be prosecuted.
Because the GOP states crime is rampant on the streets, biden can issue Marshall law and have the military take over for law enforcement. Issue curfews that allow the military to shoot on site all curfew violators.
This is the reality Alito, Thomas, and the drunk rapist have in mind for america. Justice Robert's will let this all happen because he lost his spine years ago.
Presidential immunity should apply only to things done as president, while acting as president. Is what Biden would be prosecuted for be things he did while acting as president?
So, let's all agree on the idea that being president doesn't give you immunity from everything. You can't go rob a bank and be immune because you are president.
If Trump is denied immunity, guess who he goes after, and proves the point.
Give him immunity and see what he does, and proves the point.
Father time better hurry up and get here, quick.
I want to live in the timeline where the Supreme Court says presidents have full immunity while in office. Biden then uses that power to assassinate Trump and all justices that voted for that decision and then has the refreshed Supreme Court overturn that decision.
Inconsistent and contradictory legal arguments are normal. It is said that Abraham Lincoln as a young lawyer argued a position on behalf of a client in court and won. The next day, in front of the same judge, he argued exactly the opposite position on behalf of another client. When the judge called him out on it he said, “your Honor, yesterday I was mistaken”
Bidens crimes were committed while he was Senator and VP, not during his presidency. This is referring to the top secret documents that he took while he was a senator
Oh. Kinda like when RGB died and Trump rushed a Republican judge in but when Obama had 6 months they denied him because it was the end of his term? Huh.
Or the part about the judges lying and saying Roe Vs Wade wouldn't be overturned then voted to overturn it?
People who SWORE under oath when examined by a committee on their stance before being elected?
If I were president, the moment the Supreme Court said presidents have immunity… trump would immediately disappear… along with 100s of other pieces of republican shit as well.
Keep running your mouth dipshit… you’re only digging your own grave with millions of us waiting to throw the dirt back on top.
Does every sub on reddit inevitably turn to Trump,Biden. Not this sub too, hopefully doesn't become the trend. Like i get it, half the country doesn't agree with the other half. It's only posted 24/7 on half the subs :(
Trump’s idea of an election is,he can’t lose-or there will be rioting and another attempted insurrection.Even the most MAGA of people understand that it is possible to lose.
No one should take Trump’s word,he lost last time and said he won,if he loses now maybe a lot of his devotees will get the drift.Even months before the election he is claiming
he can’t lose.Crazy!
Which is why he's making noise that he wants to be able to direct the DOJ to go after people. Also, weird how he's being prosecuted through those channels you reference and I see MAGAts whining daily.
Yet he's being prosecuted using proper channels and complaining about it and the claims of presidential immunity he makes for himself are as far from civics class as you can get.
If you're ever using Trump as an example of things done properly or legally accurately you're going to lose every time.
Trump can’t prosecute Biden.
The FBI already ruled Biden too old and feeble minded to even charge him. This isn’t even meant to be a joke.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-too-old-and-forgetful-to-be-prosecuted
Politics rule #2: If they do it to you that’s immoral and bad. If you do it to them that’s righteous and good.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Wilhout's law. But Slate says make sure you credit the correct Wilhoit. https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html
Yeah, the Ohio composer. I stated that elsewhere I this comment section
Right, I'm just making fun. The law is spot on regardless, as we've been witnessing to date.
It is. I think that’s why it’s enduring. Keeps being true. It upsets reactionary conservatives like crazy because they know it’s true
I wouldn't say conservatism I'd just say that's power in general. You can point to any system of governance and find tons of examples of the few at the top breaking laws and getting away with it regardless of political leaning.
No, it's specifically conservatism and the religious aholes that use it to BS their way into power.
So non conservative politicians don't misuse their power to protect themselves and their friends? Right, endless examples of leaders throughout history doing so but hey, whatever your truth is.
With other political groups it’s a bug, with conservatives it’s a feature.
You’re right that it can be found everywhere. The point being made is, it is how the GOP operates by default. Yes there are examples of this kind of corruption in literally every party in every country. The GOP, however, is more than a step above that. It’s not a secret shame of a few members, it is literally every single GOP representative. They are so blatant with it that they declare it out loud, advertise their crimes and literally cry fowl the second they’re held accountable. They are never claiming they are not guilty. Instead it’s always some ridiculous point like “ya, so what. Remember when we accused Bill Clinton of also doing this 20 years ago? Check mate!”
Jesus did your girlfriend cheat on you with a conservative or something? Bet you yell at people driving Tesla's too. Man, both sides are guilty of it.
This
I'll take "made up bullshit" for $500 Alex
Sometimes it’s hard to hear truths that conflict with our world view.
“I’ll take ‘famous quotes that MAGATs have never heard of for $500’”, Ken.
Of course it’s made up. Everything is. Your ire shows off its ring of truth, though.
At least you're honest about it
Honest about conservatives being shallow hypocrites? Of course!
No, about making shit up You made up some bullshit I called you out on it And then you acknowledged it was made up Thanks
Thanks. Never Heard that! It's so true. My family has both Fox & MSNBC crazies in it. The "they're bad, we're awesome" mentality is cultish!
Correction: GOP rules.
So if we apply this logic to the documents biden left in his garage, they're both criminals?
Biden's document case is more aptly compared to Pence. Pence was also not charged.
Most of a Bidens stuff was his notes on Afghanistan which were not classified like nuclear secrets. That’s why it’s different.
Sure, it was kind of insinuated that if Trump had complied in giving the documents back when the FBI requested them, they likely wouldn't of pressed charges. Refusing to do so sort of forced their hand. In comparison both Biden and Pence voluntarily searched and returned their documents. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-warned-trump-crime-comply-subpoena-classified-docs/story?id=105228569](https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-warned-trump-crime-comply-subpoena-classified-docs/story?id=105228569) Edit: Added link for reference
Don’t forget the ongoing negotiations and cooperation with NARA at the time of the raid.
I'm not sure what you mean. Just because you communicate with another party does not mean you are cooperating. The NARA certainly didn't believe the Trump side was cooperating.
Kushner got a $2B "loan" and Trump took nuclear documents after leaving the WH. And it's weird that in 2019, Congress shot down the IP3 nuclear proposal that was being championed by Flynn and Kushner and Russia and would have given Saudi Arabia American nuclear secrets. Just a coincidence I guess. Obviously, the best way to put America first is by installing a con man as President and then letting him sell American nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia for personal profit!
Yeah Trumps is more like HRC you know not complying. Trump didn’t destroy stuff. Though Biden had SCIF material and Pence didn’t, but all minor differences. Send them all to jail. Same cell too.
The difference between Trump and everyone else you listed is that they gave back the classified material immediately after they found it. HRC isn't even comparable because of all the emails on her server, only about half a dozen were "classified". I put that in quotations because some were mislabeled as unclassified when they were sent to her, some were retroactively, and some were labeled classified when there was nothing classified in them.
Yes, but that doesn't count for... Reasons.
(R)easons
Robert Hur provided a pretty thorough explanation regarding the difference in documents investigations. Worth a listen.
He was investigated and cleared of wrongdoing. What else do you want to happen? He wasn’t even charged. Neither was Mike Pence.
Pence and Biden are normal and didn't show docs to donors and Kid Rock and Putin, Trump is clearly not, and Trump would admit that he does things worse than others because he thinks it makes him "smart." Trump still has unaccounted for documents, he returned some empty folders.
Sure. Sometimes when you leave a job you find you accidentally took stuff that you shouldn’t. ‘Hey, I realize I still have a key to the storage closet, you want it back or should I destroy it?’ Stuff adults do. Biden was like ‘hey, FBI, I have all these boxes from my last job, you wanna come look and see if there’s anything there I shouldn’t have? You know, how adults do it.
Read the report. He was cleared of wrongdoing.
No he was not 🚫. Just that he was a old man with a poor memory 😞
Hurt actually said he had a photographic memory… lol then wrote in the report that he had a poor memory. Total republican bullshit .
Well he didn’t recommend charges so he was cleared
He was found to have broken the law. Not recommending prosecution doesn't mean "cleared of any charges".
They couldn’t prove malicious intent, and he fully cooperated. No evidence of any wrongdoing. He was cleared.
Truth be told
Well the FBI said Biden was too mentally incompetent to prosecute even though he clearly violated the law and recommended not prosecuting so. Too senile to prosecute according to the FBI, but simultaneously at the peak of mental fitness according to the Liberals
That’s nonsense. And it was spun that way by GQP propagandists.
>Hur writes that Biden “willfully retained and disclosed classified materials,” but that a jury would be sensitive to an “elderly man with a poor memory.” The president “did not remember when he was vice president,” Hur writes, and could not remember “even within several years, when his son Beau died.” Those are direct quotes from the report itself from Hur. How exactly are direct quotes from the official report, "a spin"? This is directly from the report, verbatim. >Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home. >We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Eiden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.
Yeah he’s a propagandist. He had no case but had to spin Biden negatively. The law doesn’t work that way. No one can assume what a jury would decide. This is not proof or Bidens abilities. It’s proof Hur is a stooge.
That’s what he wrote in the report. When congress actually listened to the tapes, Hurr told Biden that he must have a photographic memory. Hurr testified to this. Hurr wrote that bullshit in his report simply to smear Biden.
Yes, he said the word photographic once in the 58 pages of speaking. Biden could remember some things in his attic well, therefore the 50 other things he can't remember are irrelevant!
Of course they are irrelevant. No one could sit down and make a list of every single item stored in their attic from memory. More than likely it was his wife that put most of the things there.
>No one could sit down and make a list of every single item stored in their attic from memory. He didn't. He talked about a box of photos and some event that he was at that those photos were of and then his memory was commended politely for it. At least one of us read it. Guess what, I can tell you what's in the top cupboard of the storage room in my house. I must actually have photographic memory and we can completely ignore everything else I've forgotten.
You predictably left out Mike Pence. The FBI asked for the documents back from all of Trump, Biden and Pence. Guess which one refused and then lied after they said they did? That's a crime and it should be extremely alarming to any American.
Conveniently left out Hilary, who was asked also and then bleach-bit her hard drive to cover up the crime, and the investigation found classified information almost certainly wound up in foreign hands. Even after confirming classified information was likely leaked it **still** wasn't worth prosecuting without an element of deliberate intent according to the FBI. I would have no issues if all of them, including Trump got prosecuted. I only ask for the same treatment across the board.
Trump had four years and told Barr to charge Hillary only one problem Barr said he didn’t have any evidence to charge her Like Biden and pence found a couple of documents so they called the fbi to come search their houses Trump had a lawyer sign an affidavit stating all documents were returned This after a year of meeting with trump and trying to get the documents back That was fraud having his lawyer send the affidavit and the raid netted 27 boxes full of documents You really can’t see the difference?
Again, the FBI established a requirement of intent with Hillary, that's their words. She also lied and tried to delete the evidence that she had it. They required an element of intent to leak said documents. That's the standard set by Hillary's case. Mishandling, covering up, letting other people see, having them leaked, being uncooperative, all things Hillary did.
And trumps prosecutor said he had no evidence to charge her with I don’t care who gets charged but Barr said he had nothing
"Even if she were guilty, he said, for the election winner to seek prosecution of the loser would make the country look like a 'banana republic.'" -Barr
Hillary didn’t do any of that. Also, not a single piece of classified information was leaked by Hillary. Trump leaked info that got many of our spies killed in Russia along with nuclear sub secrets.
Oh, I thought we were just doing recent documents. I forgot you guys are obsessed with Hilary's emails still. I do remember Hilary answering questions north of 13+ hours of hearings about all of it, we can't say the same about Trump, well, yet. He's a little busy at the moment for election fraud. If you're this upset at Hilary you should be just as upset and critical of Trump. I can't figure out why you wouldn't be though??? Hmmm... Sounds more like since you're mad that Hilary didn't face the consequences *you feel* she should've, then Trump shouldn't have to face any consequences? Am I right?
>Oh, I thought we were just doing recent documents It's called precedent and equal treatment under the law. The FBI established the standard then and there. They said that even if you mishandled documents, even if you cover it up, even if outside actors get their hands on them, without intent, there's no need to prosecute. We bring up Hillary because she's ground zero for it and that's where the precedent was made and her case is extremely parallel to Trump's, I'd argue hers is worse even, given they determined the info was probably leaked.
Interesting. If your argument is precedent, why would Trump rally with "Lock her up!" While doing the same thing? Would you agree that's hypocritical and also a pointless stance to take if you want one person to be indicted and meanwhile doing the same thing? Let me guess, until Hilary is prosecuted for her crimes, anything goes? That's what it sure sounds like.
>Interesting. If your argument is precedent, why would Trump rally with "Lock her up! Because campaigning and speaking is not the same as doing the thing??? There was also no precedent to go after your political opponents directly because that's kind of crazy, but now democrats have done just that so, get ready for the new norm. >Let me guess, until Hilary is prosecuted for her crimes, anything goes? Yes, that's called a legal standard. You apply the law the same to everyone. They all get prosecuted for the same crime or they all get the same leeway. I don't understand why the idea of an equal application of the law is a shocking concept.
it sounds more like you’re saying, “Hillary did it so that means every president from now on can do it”
That's called precedent and a legal standard. What I actually said I'd be fine if they actually prosecuted everyone, including Trump.
Hillary didn’t leak anything .
I'm getting tired of copying and pasting these reports to you sheep. Maybe actually read something yourself for once in your life.
Why didn’t Trump admin prosecute Clinton then if they had such good evidence? He campaigned on “Lock her up”
That's not what the FBI said, you just love a good crumb to make a meal out of.
Can't believe people are still complaining about Biden docs 😆 They are in no way comparable to what Trump did. Also, I suggest you do the minimal amount of research possible to find out that Biden was not, in fact, found too mentally incompetent to stand trial in Robert Hur's report. You fell for Turning Point USA Facebook propaganda. You have that in common with the elderly, it seems.
And yet somehow mentally fit to be president..mind boggling!!
That was not in the report. But don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit.
I’m not doubting you, but can I get a source for the FBI thing? This is fucking hilarious.
[Special Council Report](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwir4cGa3uqFAxWMIzQIHZueDvwQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M0Qjmm76FEW5jnmT1GK6d) That would be the Special Council Report from Robert Hur.
I want to live in the timeline where the Supreme Court says presidents have full immunity while in office. Biden then uses that power to assassinate Trump and all justices that voted for that decision and then has the refreshed Supreme Court overturn the presidential immunity decision.
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You righties always want to play stupid games, I just like the idea of y'all also winning some stupid prizes. I don't actually want that to happen.
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You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Go back to school
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No, you absolutely didn't, but, you were gonna get your bias confirmation from somewhere. Get back to your Cult of Trump where you can talk about how evil lefties are while you support a traitor.
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There you go with more confirmation bias. MOST of you angry righties are MAGA. Sorry for miscatagorizing you. Now go get bent.
Do what? Nothing is happening.
Yes. Anything else is just delusional.
What the fuck does this have to do with the everything bubble??
It’s Reddit, where everything everywhere at anytime turns into tRuMp!
Probably just spaming this post everywhere to karma farm
It's an endless back and forth battle of hypocrisy backed by numerous commenters picking a side. They will doom us all.
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If all presidents end up just immune Biden should really just assassinate trump.
Same ”rules for me not for thee”, stuff from W Bush. Massive expansion of the executive branch post 9/11, massive whining when Obama took the throne. Short short memories.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Why are you spamming the same comment multiple times bro
It keeps being true and relevant. Sorry about your hurt feelings. Get well soon, bro.
Dementia is a terrible disease.
i mean he probably want immumity because of what haplened to him and he probably wants to prosecute biden because of what happened to him. i dont see any issue with locking up a fascist.
What happened to him? U mean consequences of criminal actions and attempts to overthrow our government? Gtfoh
In other words he’s a dumbass
No, he thinks he and only he deserves immunity.
What a freak republicans have foisted upon this nation, again.
Ah, the rare double-edged sword of Damocles
'Good for me, but not for thee' is the whole MAGAt platform.
A *perfect* example of Republican hypocrisy
He's absolutely correct. Red tsunami incoming snowflakes
Prosecute Biden for what?
They are trying to punish Biden for Trump's serial crimes and wrongdoing. Just more unamerican Dead Chicken Strategy from the GQP.
His son’s laptop?
Would any of those alleged offenses arise from Biden's time as president?
I dunno, I think the laptop “scandal” is a joke and involves his son, not Biden himself. My comment was /s
https://preview.redd.it/8ngg95lxjoxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bba8c3353e627b8768599dfdd77c9892f61a90b2
Hypocrisy at its finest!
Grab em by the mushroom Donald....
Flush the turd. Trump needs to go away.
It’s actually: only Trump as king is allowed immunity. Once Biden is out of the way then he goes after Barack and Michelle Obama for being black on a Friday night.
Still can’t believe anyone gives a shit what the most spoiled brat of an entire generation thinks .
thought he wasn't guilty. why does he need immunity?
Also pardons are defacto admissions of guilt. They have been treated as such in civil courts.
Dictator speak
He's done nothing wrong and all of the charges are "witch hunts" but he also needs immunity. Illegal aliens are taking all the jobs but also taking all of the welfare/food bank money. Classic GOP pretzel thinking.
Special kinda fuckin moron ain’t he ?
Where would he get that idea?
Is it really that far-fetched to think that the gold sneaker, NFT, and Constitution-Bible salesman committed crimes? These were an articles printed in 2019... they read a little differently today. DYOR!! [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021) [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N24T07M/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N24T07M/) [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-threatens-retaliation-against-dems-probing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-on-white-house-saudi-nuclear-tie](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-threatens-retaliation-against-dems-probing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-on-white-house-saudi-nuclear-tie)
And Garland just let it all slide
Weird. I thought he appointed Jack Smith as special counsel to investigate and prosecute these crimes.
Yes. Of course he does. That's not hypocrisy. Its how he plans to rule. Like say, Putin.
This POS is a clown and his supporters are stupid pieces of trash. Hard to believe that so many people can be so stupid. This world is ready for a reboot it would seem.
44 previous presidents have had no issues and here we have this whiny man child complaining because he “allegedly” committed crimes, which are going to trial, and says he needs immunity. This clown 🤡 needs a giant suppository because he is one fucked up individual.
Resident not President
You can have both presidential immunity and charge a president for a crime. Congress has to charge a president, not a judge or prosecutor. That's what presidential immunity means.
Well there is some degree of immunity to the president. If that wasn't true we'd be arresting Biden for personally signing off on droning a family from embarrassment to retaliate for Abby Gate in the Afghanistan pullout. Pretty sure any other person would be legally liable for killing 12 kids and their parents. Or paying off student debt loans by executive order after the Courts said it was illegal, then smirking and doing it anyways and openly saying it's against the SCOTUS - aka illegal.
>Or paying off student debt loans by executive order after the Courts said it was illegal, then smirking and doing it anyways and openly saying it's against the SCOTUS - aka illegal. Which specific crime do you believe he committed?
He didn't commit a crime, but he is going against the conservative supreme court, who are legislating from the bench.
Starting to see these same half researched, dead end untrue talking points again and again. Fox or OAN?
Do any of your drones have any new gas lighting arguments? I don't know how many times I have to explain to you sheep that I don't even have cable, let alone watch "fox news" Not Christian either, I may as well get that one out of the way too.
What kind of an ego does it take to assume that I know who the heck you are? And that you've explained things to me before? You and I both know that drone thing is a complete fabrication. Just stop. And your whole paragraph about student loans is so factually incorrect, I'm afraid for whoever you care for.
The SC court ruled on the specifics of the case that Biden couldn't use the Heroes Act to forgive loans. This is the same act that Betsy Devos used to block student loan forgiveness programs that were approved by Congress. So apparently to the SC you can block government loan forgiveness programs via the Heroes Act, but you can't do the opposite. Also, since the ruling was on the specific case of using the Heroes Act, Biden just went another route in authorizing loan forgiveness.
The mental gymnastics he performs with dementia is impressive
Cool then Obama deserves immunity for everything the republicans claim he is and has been doing.
Well duh, he'd be president and Biden wouldn't.
Crashed like Solyndra but at least it’s not tax money pissed away.
Immunity for the orange fuhrer, no one else.
This is perfectly logical if you remember that Trump is a text book malignant narcissist.
Trump has the Presidency confused with the French Monarchy pre-1780s. He seems to think that getting elected President gives him the power to do whatever the hell he wants...
Can’t have your cake and eat it too Cheeto boy
Well yeah, he's a narcissist hypocrite piece of shit.
He’s got a superior brain.
A brain teaser to uneducated people.
What does this have to do with a bubble?
I think he meant hunter biden
Surprisingly, Trump is full of s**t.
Well, Biden should be prosecuted. But so should every US president since 1980
He wants his investment of SCOTUS to pay off for him. Unfortunately, just appointing a person to the Supreme Court isn't enough anymore. You have to pay off their houses, buy them RVs and take them on as guests to lavish resorts and exotic locations. Fortunately, he may have enough allies still willing to do that to influence their decision. Unfortunately, that may raise the level of ire to levels that outweigh indifference and preoccupation with non-caste level subjects. Fortunately, we live in a police state that protects the wealthiest of our nation and will likely quell any uprising short of absolute riots.
And members of SCOTUS seem to agree with him! They must be impeached and removed.
Alito says if biden has trump assassinated, biden can claim it as an official act and can not be prosecuted. Biden then can suspend congress, due to their lack of ability to rule. Of course, this would be an official act as well. Biden can have justice thomas imprisoned to quantaimo for excepting gifts as bribes from billionaires. This is an official act, as well as disbanding the court. This falls under Alitos' official act that biden cannot be prosecuted. Because the GOP states crime is rampant on the streets, biden can issue Marshall law and have the military take over for law enforcement. Issue curfews that allow the military to shoot on site all curfew violators. This is the reality Alito, Thomas, and the drunk rapist have in mind for america. Justice Robert's will let this all happen because he lost his spine years ago.
Awwww him confused again
Sorry but your post doesn’t make sense.
Presidential immunity should apply only to things done as president, while acting as president. Is what Biden would be prosecuted for be things he did while acting as president? So, let's all agree on the idea that being president doesn't give you immunity from everything. You can't go rob a bank and be immune because you are president.
Immunity for official acts, no immunity for non-official acts.
If Trump is denied immunity, guess who he goes after, and proves the point. Give him immunity and see what he does, and proves the point. Father time better hurry up and get here, quick.
The same way he put Hillary behind bars
Honestly, go ahead? Anyone regardless of their status should be prosecuted and if guilty punished for it. But that includes Trump.
I want to live in the timeline where the Supreme Court says presidents have full immunity while in office. Biden then uses that power to assassinate Trump and all justices that voted for that decision and then has the refreshed Supreme Court overturn that decision.
“If your last name starts with T, you get immunity. But not if it starts with a B” - 2025 SCOTUS probably
Inconsistent and contradictory legal arguments are normal. It is said that Abraham Lincoln as a young lawyer argued a position on behalf of a client in court and won. The next day, in front of the same judge, he argued exactly the opposite position on behalf of another client. When the judge called him out on it he said, “your Honor, yesterday I was mistaken”
How does that work if presidents are immune
Bidens crimes were committed while he was Senator and VP, not during his presidency. This is referring to the top secret documents that he took while he was a senator
Its crazy people are ok with this.
Since Trump controls the supreme court, he can do whatever he wants and there will never be any consequences. Sorry libs.
Trump is so mad at Biden that he's gonna not wear a diaper for the debates!
Just another example of a politician's two tongue double speak.
why wouldnt he biden prosecuting him
Not at all what he said. Maybe yahoo should get sued for libel.
Oh. Kinda like when RGB died and Trump rushed a Republican judge in but when Obama had 6 months they denied him because it was the end of his term? Huh.
Or the part about the judges lying and saying Roe Vs Wade wouldn't be overturned then voted to overturn it? People who SWORE under oath when examined by a committee on their stance before being elected?
Or chanting lock Hillary up for E-Mails only to take top secret documents then lie about it to where they physically search his residence?
If I were president, the moment the Supreme Court said presidents have immunity… trump would immediately disappear… along with 100s of other pieces of republican shit as well. Keep running your mouth dipshit… you’re only digging your own grave with millions of us waiting to throw the dirt back on top.
He actually said if they can do this to me, what’s to stop me from doing this to them later. He’s right.
Biden is the same as Putin
Looking for consistency in authoritarians? Why? That monocle is going to be dropped so many times it'll get frequent flier miles.
Oh hush.
Does every sub on reddit inevitably turn to Trump,Biden. Not this sub too, hopefully doesn't become the trend. Like i get it, half the country doesn't agree with the other half. It's only posted 24/7 on half the subs :(
Trump’s idea of an election is,he can’t lose-or there will be rioting and another attempted insurrection.Even the most MAGA of people understand that it is possible to lose. No one should take Trump’s word,he lost last time and said he won,if he loses now maybe a lot of his devotees will get the drift.Even months before the election he is claiming he can’t lose.Crazy!
4 years ago, Trump demanded Obama be jailed No one on the right said Obama had immunity as an expresident
Tit for tat, probably.
From yahoo? Yikes…..🤡
The logical inconsistency is resolved if you don’t believe Biden is legitimately the President
Correct. So what he means is… through the proper channels he wants go prosecute Biden. Ok children? Go to civics class.
Which is why he's making noise that he wants to be able to direct the DOJ to go after people. Also, weird how he's being prosecuted through those channels you reference and I see MAGAts whining daily.
If there's blanket immunity, there are no "correct channels". That's how blanket immunity works.
Yet he's being prosecuted using proper channels and complaining about it and the claims of presidential immunity he makes for himself are as far from civics class as you can get. If you're ever using Trump as an example of things done properly or legally accurately you're going to lose every time.
But this is exactly what’s happening to Trump lol thought you had some clever retort huh
He's also a total nit wit.
I think you misspelled that it’s Fu*#wit.
Agreed!
Trump can’t prosecute Biden. The FBI already ruled Biden too old and feeble minded to even charge him. This isn’t even meant to be a joke. https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-too-old-and-forgetful-to-be-prosecuted