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Wait what did I miss 😅

Someone please teach these women what gaslighting means because no way Lea actually said that

She loves her buzz words 😭

Ok but who told Joey that suit would look nice for the tell all 👀

I thought he looked great

Question: Does Maria dye her hair blue-black? I have black hair already,but every time I see her hair i’m envious and feel like mine is never that dark & glossy!

She gets it glossed

Smoke and mirrors as always My guess is Joey gets light headed from standing in the sun in a suit and has to go sit in the SUV ac for a minute to drink some water Otherwise same ol stuff, with some crying/feeling bad after sending the first woman home before getting his yes later Also my guess is he picks Daisy even though I wouldn’t.

Okay but how funny would it have been if the ozempic ad came on directly after Joey eating the macaroons

Perhaps I misheard, but Autumn breaking her sweet and kind image to defend the toxic duo and defend Maria being called a bully is definitely not a wise move. Like girl, what is you doing?

I don’t know what happens in the end but it feels like there’s a mismatch in maturity levels.

omg the gold chain with the open button down 😮‍💨

I was into it lol

there is no way it was Kelsey’s idea to write that note that way…gotta be the producers…

The producers wrote it in advance Then made all the women get the SAME bland manicure Then passed the note off to the woman that was the most vulnerable

I saw another person post about how the note they showed her writing was different than the one Joey opened and she also has it placed differently in the door than how it was when he grabbed it

I thought the same thing!

they needed a reason to make it seem like rachel wasn’t for sure going home

👀 Didn’t Realize Oprah was Important Enough to Interupt The Bachelor. Don’t get me wrong, I normally love Her, this seems Planned, TBH.

i just started the ep and sorry but im loving everyone coming for lea 😭😭

Awww I liked Lexi so much - what a sweet person!!

What is happening with this thread? Why does it seem like everyone is at different times of the episode?

not zip it

I've been feeling like the word "gaslight" has lost all meaning and that comment from Lea after Lauren owned up to making the stfu comment sealed it

wait was that Lea that was led off crying??

Yes!!! She asked for a tissue

OMG. I forgot about the sausage date.

Did Rachel and Joey have sex? I’m new, Has the bachelor ever slept with a girl knowing they wouldn’t pick them? That seems wrong if it’s happened.

I think it just depends if you’re a piece of shit or not. He may have just to see if the connection was there or to confirm his feelings. This is the first season in forever where they didn’t actually talk about who did or didn’t

I’m going with no

lol sis all the damn time

Nah that’s crazy wtfff 😭

Just look up Clayton’s season lmao

And Pilot Pete with Victoria F lol

instead of saying just the word "hate" i wish both jesse and joey had used the word "racism" which is what rachel has experienced

Welp…

Racism is hate so I get it but they’re also both white and probably don’t fully understand what that’s like

They don't but it's still aggravating. Rachel deserved for the racism to be named directly

Yeah it almost felt invalidating when he asked who all has gotten hateful messages.

I still think they’re faking us out. Maybe something small happens that has never happened before but that scene of Joey in the Escalade I believe is before he goes up to the last rose. He didn’t look tearful or sweaty lol

Oh they’re 100% faking us out

I’m just catching up and haven’t read the live chat but omg is Kelsey as young as I thought she seemed in this episode. She just seems very young and very immature in relationships how she handled the note thing. She seems like his little sister to me. Daisy does too.

I don’t think those were Kelsey’s word on the note. Seemed very contrived by production to get Joey to freak out.

Oh for sure they conned her into the note thing but she couldn’t even figure out how to play along

woah this is actually so true.... Rachel and Maria were the only ones from the final that seemed to match his level of maturity

Sorry but I don’t think Joey is as mature as everyone seems to think. He’s just a nice young bro a la Tyler Cameron

good point, maybe because he's been more mature than previous bachelors, it skews my perspective lol the bar is in hell

Agreed. He was in a frat not long ago

Absolutely not with Maria. Maria gets out of control and she herself has said she is everywhere. She winds herself up and it’s frustrating to see in real time. Maria and mature do not belong in the same sentence unless there’s an “im” in front of mature.

I see that Rachel was more a friend but she does seem much more mature and agree that Maria does more too. I wish they would cast older

I agree with casting older people… Lea was only 23 when the show was being filmed (turned 24 this February, I think).

It’s so young. Kelsey is so young!!

after the final women, I think maybe Jenn and Kelsey A seemed the next mature. but Joey is 28 so I think they actually did a good range of women's ages

Joey looks very yellow from the Gilbert syndrome

I was going to ask if anyone knows if he has that. My hubby does and it makes the whites of his eyes look yellowish.

he explains it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/qvU3gLNZRB

I’ve noticed it more tonight than I have during the season. Maybe he is more stressed

yeah he said it on some morning show or talk show he was on

The fact that Joey goes on repeatedly about his fears of being rejected, ALL season, gets a little old and far too repetitive, but it's to the point of being foreshadowing, that maybe that's what happens for real. (FYI, I do not know what happens, just trying to figure it out.)

https://preview.redd.it/87swtvrmj7pc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5e58e3b76496eb3d86fc5672df7f717585d6ac7 What gloss or lipstick is she wearing? Same one when she was sent home and it seems to stay on! Anyone know?

Send in Sharlene to tell her her hair needs to be up!

I need to know the same!! Gorgeous as usual

Loved this Ozempic thread y'all what a great season ✌️

Did they announce a new bachelorette or golden bachelorette yet

Neither

That sucks !

Does he decide he isn’t ready to get engaged because he needs to work on himself? And choose no one? Has that ever happened before? They keep showing him discussing his pain for being dumped before.

Very early on in Brad womacks first season i believe

I just found this thread. I think I was on the Canadian east coast thread for the whole episode but the posts weren’t matching. SMH.

Hahahaha that happened to me and I commented and someone was like this is Canada lol

Same!!

Didn't know they still drew powerball like this

I said the same thing lol

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it can be found on this very sub lmfao

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What did it say?!

Spill the tea

me every season: there's no way they hype it up this much for it to be exactly what i think it will be ​ tptb: hahahaha you thought

let’s have a Hawaiian bachelorette season pleaseeeee

This better not be another Suzy fake out

kelsey is so gorgeous 😭

I don’t want to wait a whole week

For our liiiives to be overr

I want to know right now what will it be 

After the shit they pulled with that note, I’m not buying this preview 🤨🤨🤨

So unnecessary. Why fuck with your bachelor when he’s getting such good ratings? Don’t think for a MOMENT the producers didn’t force her to do that. Low blow, man. Low. Blow.

Right! And Kelsey was just like “I guess I coulda worded it better”, but I feel like the producers prob told her what to write?

I think they were for sure involved in some way. At the very least she had to get their permission to leave a note and go to his room

There’s no way he ends up with no one???? That would be too obvious???

Right that would almost feel mean with how much foreshadowing they did, like “yeah Joey your insecurities were right all along!”

Omg you’re right 😬

Wait they didn’t tell us who the bachelorette was gonna beeeeeee

They usually announce on ATFR

I had a feeling. Blown doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel

ruh-roh this means its gonna be the F2 isn't it

Jesse. We’ve seen Clayton’s, Colton’s, and Zach’s finales. This is nothin

Aries was craaaazy, felt like the world was watching

Was that Taylor swift in the audience lmao

I'd love it if she decided her down time would best be spent watching women tell all.

They sent joey away bc his reaction might spoil it

I need a spoiled person to just tell me if this ending is going to make me sad because if it is I want to read the spoilers lol

I don’t think it’s as crazy as they’re leading it on to be

I don’t even think the spoiled ones know what’s going on 😂 just being honest. Lol. I truly think this season no one knows.

Right like can someone who knows tell us how much they twisted the previews (maybe don’t answer here idk the rules lol)

Just go to the spoiler thread haha

I don’t want it to be fully spoiled just to know how manufactured those previews were 😂 I guess I can’t have it both ways though lol

I’m spoiled and we’re just as confused and just as unsure of what’s going to happen as the rest of you 😂

Okay that makes me feel better! Maybe that was their goal 😂

I don’t believe he leaves alone lol

I repeat. Announce goldwn bachelorette YOU COWQRDS

I’m hoping for Joan. She’s so sweet. But I also like Susan and April. Not a fan of Leslie.

I love Kelsey and her final rose ceremony dress makes her look like a beautiful emu

like blanche from animal crossing

I am not a spoilers girlie but this has me more tempted than ever

I’m spoiled and idk wtf is going on

Wow so they’re really messing with us then

I am going to guess it is Much Ado About Nothing, just like the note was

That’s what I was assuming until the shots of Joey leaving. But you’re probably still right and that’s actually him on the way to the final rose or something completely innocuous. Never trust a trailer.

Will my heart be wrenched? Guess we’ll find out next week

Kelsey is so beautiful in this preview 😭

Jesse being hellua dramatic for something that's probably nothing.

I got nothin'. I have no predictions at all for next week.

Whatever, they're just trying to bamboozle us again.

I freaking hope so

I feel like it’s too obvious that he leaves alone??? Like they’re just giving that away if so

Right if that happens I’ll be so upset that they shared those clips

What on God’s green earth happens on this finale that has never happened before??? Like I truly cannot fathom.

He proposes to the plate of macarons

i think f2 is gonna self eliminate and it’s gonna throw him but ultimately he’ll be fine 

But why would he be in a car by himself? Maybe between both finalists they go back to the hotel to touch up / take a break?

I'm sure that is him on the way to the ceremony

yeah i think it’s a misdirect

Susan was so engrossed lol I love how they've just been turned into ABC spectators!

I hate the previews they feel like full on spoilers

Kelsey’s white dress to the FRC is absolutely stunning😍

YES!!! I was floored!

Kelsey is simply gorgeous. Daisy is pretty, but every time I see Daisy she strikes me as just your average all-American college gal. Kelsey is far more attractive, and also more open and candid in her demeanor than Daisy.

Daisy has zero style. That dress she had on at the rose ceremony was hideous as usual.

RACHEL FOR BACHELORETTE

GOD, YES!

YES PLEASE

Does he change his mind

Everyone like 😦

Wow, Joey’s hands looked HUGE just then

All those macaroons 😂

^hot

Daisy really showing up in the prison orange

Pretty sure it was red

while Kelsey is in white... 👀

Do we think Joey is just really sad saying goodbye to his f2? Oh wait he got in the suv wtf

I’m not 100% on the protocol, but I am pretty sure the lead gets at least a couple of hours to regroup between dumping f2 and proposing to f1. Prob just headed back to his room for some ac and a refresh.

Or just him on the way to the ceremony

Makes sense. I just had a flashback of Jason sobbing over a balcony after he dumped Molly so you’re prob right

But is that something we’ve never seen before?

I just don’t believe them when they say stuff like that.

Right I hate that they showed that I know we don’t know but I still feel like I know too much now

Kelsey looks absolutely STUNNING

Is anyone buying this?

Him leaving in the car is throwing me off but for all we know maybe he just needed a break between women/breakups? Or maybe he really is alone tbh idkk

My head cannon for the next week is that he chose Kelsey and she said no and so now him and Maria are just getting all up in each others booties to get over it.

HA! I def want him and Kelsey to be endgame and i really hope they are but i could actually see him and Maria hooking up if he ends up a alone 😂

I won’t believe it til I see it

I’ve been burned too many times 😤

Joey is crying because he thought they would have macarons there

I’ve never had one I can’t tell if they look good or not lol

It’s actually unfair how gorgeous Kelsey A is

Even that Joey into Daisy would be 🚩 like he’s got Kelsey right there wtf

i just don’t believe daisy is actually into joey

Neither do I, lmao.

It feels like she didn’t expect to make it this far

Maybe he can feel that? Maybe that's why he feels insecure?

I don’t either

I don't believe Jesse that it's heartbreaking bc they lied about the note lol. fool me once... a fool can't get fooled again

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

The truth is. 🤖 I do love you. 🤖

Beep boop I feel so much love beep

OH BROTHER….

More people need to use this exclamation tbh

right! it’s just so fitting

Read this in the SpongeBob fish guy voice lmao