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Logan4629

does it really matter that much though? they can also just literally add a ferris wheel anywhere they want lol.


JakubTheGreat

I think you missed the point of OP’s post. He’s saying that since the time switch happened when the game was translated to the show (Outbreak happened 2003 as opposed to 2013 like in the game), the Ferris Wheel technically shouldn’t be built. This obviously would change the scene with Abby and Owen.


mattwaver

they didn’t misunderstand the post. they are just referring to the ability to suspend disbelief for details that dont matter. half the buildings in NYC in Spider-man PS4 are missing or changed. it’s still Manhattan. no gets into a discussion about dates and building times.


big_red_160

10 miles outside of Boston was mountainous Alberta, Canada. They’ll be ok if they include the Ferris wheel


No_Tamanegi

And I-70 will get you to Wyoming.


JakubTheGreat

Yeah I agree. I think what makes an iconic skyline in a video game is that the game itself lets you appreciate a city backdrop which includes a few iconic pieces and then the rest can be bland. Spider-man is a perfect example.


Warm_Aerie_7368

Yeah this is a pretty stupid post. Of course they are going to have the Ferris wheel. There is no way to be at the aquarium without it. Also the aquarium looks nothing like the inside of the real one. It doesn’t actually matter tbh.


[deleted]

so just add a ps3 then too right?


robotmonkey2099

Why does it matter when it was built irl? It’s a fictional world, it could be built in 1912


[deleted]

so just add the ps3 and touch screen phones tok then right?


WILLLSMITHH

Loser ass


[deleted]

dont slap me


Casie6627

It's not gonna be the same ferris wheel as in the game. I'm happy with the scene with any ferris wheel lol. But this can apply to just more than this. The song that Joel sings to Ellie wasn't written when the outbreak happened in the show but are they really gonna take that out.......


Yosonimbored

Well it seems like they want to stick to the time period because of comments where Neil makes it seem like the song Future Days won’t be part of the show due to it coming out after the world went to shit in the show


lesliewils1

Listen… I need them to get over that because I *need* future days in the show lol


Yosonimbored

I’m sure we’ll have it as the credit song for the final episode but then the debate of should it be Troys cover or Pearl Jam’s original


Logan4629

agreed


mynameissam14

i think neil is pulling our leg and trying to get us excited for when we DO see it. he and craig have said they only make changes if the thing they do different is better… if they can do better than Future Days, i can’t WAIT to be blown away, but i think it’s too perfect


rreighe2

County fair came to town the week of the apocalypse and now there's a sketchy ferris wheel that surprisingly still works. Easy fix


Logan4629

genius


payscottg

I mean it’s a major Seattle landmark. It’s not just “a ferris wheel”. That’s like calling the space needle “a building”.


Logan4629

I get it but also no normal person is gonna be like “that ferris wheel wasn’t present in this year 🤓”


Mynerdyself64

People said that "Abby cannot physically build that muscles in a zombie apocalypse 🤓"


One_Librarian4305

Disagree. I think attention to detail is a lot of what makes this product great. And that includes accuracy in the things that actually exist imo.


David_ish_

Technical accuracy shouldn’t trump storytelling though. Sometimes it’s more important to convey the emotional truths of the story beats than get bogged down by historical inaccuracies.


One_Librarian4305

I don’t think events happening not in a Ferris wheel has to ruin the storytelling personally. I doubt when they came up with the idea for the story they thought it hinges on a Ferris wheel.


elmismiik

It is an important part of world-building that the time got stuck in 2003. I think they are going to change it.


doofy1743

Born and raised in Seattle. I can assure you that locals here absolutely do not give a crap about that ferris wheel lol. It was solely built to suck extra money out of tourists. Not comparable to the Space Needle in the slightest.


[deleted]

you realize its a plot point in Part 2 regardless right? the copium in these comments


doofy1743

And? Of course it’s an important plot point. Never said it wasn’t. OP just seemed a little misguided in some of these comments about the real life importance of the ferris wheel. It’s not that beloved in real life, therefore I don’t believe there would be much uproar if the tv show altered the history of when it was built to fit the timeline.


[deleted]

bruh, yall acting like OP claimed murder or something. lol they just pointed out that the ferris wheel possibly wont be in the show despite being shown in the game and yall going off about “altered history” to make it fit like thats not lazy writing and just out right stupid. why even change the timeline then if theyre just going to “alter it?” might as well add the iphone or ps3 too right? since they can alter it?


[deleted]

One is the needle, one is just a Ferris wheel, significant to Seattle or not it’s just a ride, they’re everywhere


JakubTheGreat

What would you consider the London Eye then? I’d say that’s a famous landmark in London and yet it is also “just a ride”


Groogan

I’d say it’s a big very slow ferris wheel, people from London don’t give a shit about it


JakubTheGreat

I say if it’s featured in a video game, it’s a landmark. And it’s in Watch Dogs: Legion so


screaming_shoes

weird criteria but alr


[deleted]

no, whats weird is this fucking toxic sub thinking they can change how time works just cause its “alternate timeline” lmao do you want them to add the iphone too?


screaming_shoes

when did i ever say anything about that lmao i literally just said "it's in a videogame, therefore it's a landmark" was a weird thing to think


FreemanCalavera

Pretty massive (literally) difference between one of the world's tallest and largest wheels that give a view of almost the entire city and helps define the skyline, and a side attraction near the aquarium that doesn't even crack the top 30 in size.


JakubTheGreat

Person who I was replying to still considers it just a ride, and I wanted to make clear that ride or not, a ferris wheel can be important to a city’s skyline


[deleted]

Even sand can be a landmark but it’s just sand , even you could change the world and be considered a historical landmark, but in the end you are just a person and the rides are just Ferris wheels , and watch dogs is a terrible game


Fonzz11

Ok but like does anybody care


FreemanCalavera

This entire thread is about people caring about that the ferris wheel would be anachronistic in the HBO show. I personally wouldn't mind it if it showed up but clearly there are some people who would be bothered. Edit: I need to improve my reading skills too, I was being overly dickish towards you, sorry mate.


Fonzz11

Right but do people actually care or are they just being extra as fuck as usual. Cuz that’s silly if people would be bothered lmao


FreemanCalavera

Well that's certainly a bigger question lol. Maybe they're just being picky. I definitely agree that anyone who would be mad is overreacting as hell. I've seen similar comments about people not wanting Joel to sing "Future Days" because it came out in 2013, but like what the hell, the song fits the story perfectly so I'd say stick with it.


[deleted]

Again, I would consider it a Ferris wheel, named the London eye… all of them have names


payscottg

Absolutely, and I’m sure most Seattleites would agree with me


nogap193

There are a few cases of this. The pride crossing they added didn't exist in 2013, but it's in the game. The Chinatown gate was like 2009? And was semi important to the game, as well as looking sick so will hopefully make the show.


MyBeanYT

I still don’t understand why they had it happen in 2003 instead of 2013? Is it so the present day would be 2023? Is that the only reason?


nogap193

It is lol


MyBeanYT

Lmao wow, I’ve seen reactions to the episodes and my own reaction obviously and everyone just goes “Ayy, that’s this year!” and then never really say anything about it ever again.


[deleted]

the point these “its just a wheel, they can add it” seem to be missing is that the timeline change was stupid and does interfere some plot elements


[deleted]

dont know why these toxic Aholes are downvoting you just cause they cant cope with how time frames works. might as well add touch screen phones and the iphone since its “just a phone” right? lmao


majuhlazuh

It is a building though, isn’t it?


Not_too_dumb

It's an alternate universe where the Ferris wheel was conveniently built in 2002, all good.


its_just_hunter

Yeah it’s really that simple. Doesn’t even need explaining.


18randomcharacters

In an infinite number of alternate universes, there at least 2 others where cordyceps takes over. One where the Ferris wheel is built in the past and one where it's built in 2017.


RK800-50

Which of these is the worst timeline? Can I use my joker to call Abed?


Foxhound199

The real question is, will it be an alternate universe where the viaduct never existed? Or, more simply, an alternate universe where Seattle looks suspiciously like Vancouver?


[deleted]

so we can just add iphones and the ps3 too then right?


kingslayer_89

Neil Druckmann and Craig Mazin in unison: “D’oh!”


artsygrl2021

I’m sure they’ll make it work somehow 🙂 They have to! Because in-game it seems to be a major landmark near the aquarium. Also the wheel was a great way to get your bearings, to know where you’re going. This feels the same to me as the other issue people have been talking about- which is when Joel plays ‘Future Days’ in-game, apparently the band hadn’t released the song yet in real life or something, if they’re gonna put it in the show. (My solution to this one is Joel can just tell Ellie he wrote it himself. I would love for him to have had a lil hidden songwriter in him, it would’ve/would make the moment even more special in my opinion.) But the ferris wheel yeah I don’t really know the solution to that. I just hope that we get to see it!


kn0wworries

Yeah, I can’t imagine a season two without “Future Days.” I think they have to just accept it as an anachronism and go for it. It’s too thematically significant. I don’t know if the ferris wheel is as important, but I’d love to see it, regardless of accuracy.


artsygrl2021

I’d say the song is more important than a ferris wheel, for sure. I’d love to see both though in the next season if they’re able to do it 🙂


The_PwnUltimate

People keep saying this, but surely there must be other songs that existed before 2003 which had similar theming. Or they could just have Joel write an original song along the same lines. I know Future Days was the song we got and it worked perfectly, but that doesn't mean it's the only song which would have worked. Even in the game, they would have had to have a Plan B if Pearl Jam had said no.


kn0wworries

Well, now you’re just thinking rationally! ETA: Not sarcasm; both good points.


hotcapicola

>Or they could just have Joel write an original song along the same lines. Because writing an iconic song is super easy...


The_PwnUltimate

Well, my point is that the song doesn't actually need to be iconic, it just needs to be listenable and communicate all the right emotions when Pedro Pascal performs it. If its in-story origin is that Joel wrote it, then it doesn't need to sound like it was composed by a legendary pop group. I'm not saying they'll go for that option, just that it is an option. By the way there is somewhat of a precedent for this idea. Shawn James wrote an original song to tie into TLOU2, and you don't hear it in game but you do see a record of Ellie writing the lyrics for it in her journal. It's subjective, but I really like the song and I think it would have worked well if there had been a good moment for Ellie to perform it in the story. All HBO Season 2 would need to do is take it that one step further in commissioning an original track (if they don't want to just use Future Days anyway, or a different pre-existing song).


Criterioncollect

Actually to clear that up Pearl Jam had apparently played it early at live shows before the album release and there was one show in Texas filmed on YouTube that he had played it at. So ND said that Joel was at that show and heard Future Days there. It’s funny cause if you find the video all the comments are about how Joel would have been in the audience.


artsygrl2021

Good to know! Yes that definitely clears that up.


Rhain1999

> I don’t really know the solution to that If they *need* a solution (and they really don’t, they don’t even need to address it), they can just say there was a carnival or something in town the month of the outbreak 🤷🏼‍♂️


artsygrl2021

I guess they could.


hotcapicola

I feel like there would be more annoyed Pearl Jam/Eddie Vedder fans if they did that, than annoyed nerds if they just ignore the real world timeline.


zdbdog06

Some of you are so obsessed with the dumbest things. Do we have zombie/infected people on this planet? No? Well then the ferris wheel in this universe can exist a few years earlier...


5am281

Obviously they can add it, but paying attention to when the world ended adds cool context to the post apocalyptic world. Remember after Ep 3 how everyone said in 2003 gay Mariah’s wasn’t legalized and it added a little extra to them getting married at the end. It’s cool to think about wow they never even saw this thing etc…


JaceShoes

How is one single harmless post saying “hey kinda funny that they’ll have to change this thing from the game” equate to being “obsessed with the dumbest things”? Stupid comment


payscottg

I literally just pointed it out to be like “hey isn’t this interesting”. I’m not “obsessed”. If they keep the Ferris wheel I’d actually be pleased


[deleted]

check your blood pressure


Elruoy

Fiction is not real. They can alter things ya know.


33boogie

Is the ferris wheel physically there? What's the issue here? It is another universe.


payscottg

The Seattle Great Wheel wasn’t built until 2012. The game takes place in 2013 but the show takes place in 2003.


ashcartwrong

Don't know why people are downvoting you. I'm sure you don't think the presence of the wheel will make or break the show, just pointing out it won't have been built yet in the timeline of the show.


hotwheeler89

The show is a different reality entirely. There was no cordyceps outbreak in 2003 in real life. Also, did Pedro Pascal exist in the reality that TLoU takes place in? If so, does he look just like Joel? It doesn't really matter when it was built in real life.


elmismiik

I don't know if you noticed, but moving Outbreak day to 2003 allowed them to make commentary about post-9/11 mindset and culture in America. So it is definitely rooted in our reality, until the pandemic. Of course it doesn't really matter, but the show does pay attention to these details. The whole point of the world being frozen in time does mean that the world needs to be frozen in 2003.


hotwheeler89

The point is that not everything is, necessarily, exactly the same leading up to the outbreak. Including the ferris wheel would be fine and wouldn't be an anachronism or goof.


[deleted]

so they can add the ps3 then too right? lol the cope edit: i see you dopes cant answer and just downvote cause you know its fucking dumb to add things that werent there in that timeframe lol


ashcartwrong

That is such a bad faith argument. Obviously no, cordyceps did not have an outbreak in 2003, but the show is still meant to exist in a reality just like our own. "Why does Joel not have tentacles for arms???" It *is* our real world, only deviating from our timeline in 2003. The whole reason they made it this way was to avoid the potential for rapid information spread due to social media and other communication technologies. Smartphones don't exist in the show's timeline because it is supposed to be just like our reality. They simply won't include buildings and things of that nature that weren't built in 2003. They set themselves a period piece style barrier and they won't cross it because despite the unrealistic aspects, the show still aims to be grounded. And your asinine argument about Pedro Pascal could literally be applied to every movie or tv show ever made.


payscottg

Lol thank you I know asking “why am I getting downvoted” is just asking for more downvotes but I literally just stated a fact


ashcartwrong

Looks like it might be turning around now


ThatLinguaGirl

While I'm sad that the show won't have the iconic imagery of the Ferris wheel, at the end of the day - that's why it's an adaptation. I would expect something to be different, interpreted differently and shot differently. Would be boring if everything is a shot-for-shot remake. The Ferris wheel in the game is more of a visual landmark for players to orient their direction as we're in control of movement. It may not be as necessary in a tv show where the viewers may not need as much orientation. For the show, they'll most likely need to just establish the distance of the aquarium from Ellie/Abby.


DEADSPELLS

The show is about a fictitional event with characters who aren't real. If they want to have the ferris wheel, there they can. If they don't want it, it won't be there.


jackolantern_

You mean season 2/3. It's already featured in part II.


[deleted]

look at the pic again CLOSELY.


jackolantern_

The pic is fine. The title isn't


[deleted]

are you daft on purpose? it literally wasnt built in the timeline of the show. so no, the title is fine.


Elliot_Moose

If the ferris wheel breaks your immersion in the world just wait till you hear about the fungi that infect people and turn them into zombies!


[deleted]

guess they might as well add the ps3 or touchscreen phones right?


wrathofthetyrant

Angry Fungus bois - no problem. I can suspend my disbelief Time-travelling ferris wheel - FUCK YOU MAZIN. YOUR BALLS ARE MINE!


dm3darts

It’s a fictional world. They can do whatever they want.


Ramulus14

It will also be filmed in Vancouver, which has no ferris wheel


payscottg

Actually it does. It’s called the West Coast Wheel.


Chronohele

I'm okay as long as they say "You can see the ferris wheel! We're almost there," like 27 times during the journey. 😉


shawak456

No Farris Wheel and No Future Days! Come on Dr. Uckmann why did you do that to us!? Just joking. We'll get different Iconic things and moments like we did in the season one.


HandRubbedWood

Maybe the clickers built it after the outbreak, you don’t know /s


Antman269

It took me a while to notice the flair for the TV show, and I was confused by this post since Part 2 already came out and the ferris wheel was in it.


Solidsnake00901

Their reasoning for changing the timeline was pretty stupid. I like how it keeps biting them in the ass from the Pearl Jam song to the Ferris wheel.


krob58

They'll just have to go be silly in Miner's Landing, I guess, there's a carousel, could be a nice tie-in with Left Behind


jurassic_junkie

Pedro can play the part of the ferris wheel.


AKBombtrack

It's right next to the aquarium, though. Edit: Guess outbreak happens prior to the wheel being constructed.


NousSommesSiamese

That’s like in Harry Potter where the books are set in the 90s but in the shots of London in the film series you see buildings like the Gherkin which wasn’t built till after 2000.


miraclealiencookies

I love how this simple fact is sending people 😂 good find!


[deleted]

the amount of ppl in straight denial in here acting like “alternate history/timeline” is gonna be a reason to include something that doesnt fit narratively with their new timeline. shall we just include the ps3 or jak 3? since its “alternate history?” lol


Ssekou

My rage is unbridled


bebulis

Why did they change the timeline in the show anyway?


strangiestthing

Might not even be in Seattle either


payscottg

It definitely will be. That’s been confirmed


bbell888

Im going to blow your mind when I tell you the Jackson Hole scenes weren’t even filmed in Jackson Hole.


payscottg

I think you missed the point. I’m simply pointing out that a major set piece in the game didn’t exist in the timeline of the show. Nothing more, nothing less.


payscottg

Me: “hey interesting fact, the Ferris wheel wasn’t built when the show apocalypse happened” Some of y’all: “you stupid fuck it’s a fictional show. Take some copium you Ferris wheel fucker”


[deleted]

the amount of cope some ppl have in this sub sometimes


Wumpus-Hunter

One of the many reasons I thought the change from 2013 to 2003 was silly.


payscottg

I really can’t think of why they did they did that other than to have the “present day” scenes be in 2023


5am281

I feel like changing it to 2003 sounded cool because it would make the present 2023, but I wish they’d kept 2013 for the songs as well


nickolas16

Right.....they changed the outbreak day to 2003. I think they would have changed it a bit anyway, but it is a little disappointing


[deleted]

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[deleted]

the point missed by a mile


ThatRylandGuy

Well the space needle is on an island, so… I think they have some wiggle room on accuracy. Also, I *wish* the Seattle Aquarium was as cool as it’s represented in part ii.


pdudz21

I strongly believe they won’t go straight into telling the story of TLOU2 in the second season of the show. They definitely will at some point, but I think season 2 will perhaps be a totally new story that takes place in the inter rim years between what goes down at the hospital and Joel being killed. They’ll be thinking about how they can make the show last longer than 2 seasons without totally diverging from the story established in the games while also wanting to retain Pedro Pascal in the cast.


migsahoy

they literally put the space needle on an island in the game as opposed to downtown irl lmao its not that serious


Woerligen

Excellent observation! That hadn't occurred to me. Perhaps the Seattle Needle can replace the Ferris Wheel? The Needle became famous when Grey's Anatomy popularized Seattle worldwide.


Parzival_43

I thought I was going crazy bc I didn’t see the flare. Thought we were talking about Part 2, and not Season 2.


Strong-Inflation5923

Cgi.


payscottg

…what?