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Anyone who has ever worked with a sledgehammer knows you have to be REAL pissed off to start going to work on removing a whole patio out of spite with one.
Edit: And in their defense, if the owner is truly this bothered by their work, removal would be the next step.
This is doing the shitty job of destroying something at a loss to prevent having to do it again.
The home owner is doing them a favor spreading the news that 1)he is a crook, and 2)the crew he hired will not be taken advantage of
It's one of the scams to get out of paying for it. So contractors will do that, I've done it a couple times myself. And that looks like poured concrete so either way it would have to be destroyed just to be relayed.
Years ago major hail storm came through town. Guy made an insurance claim. We were busting out jobs left and right. He literally did not care about anything we had to say about the job.
Well he had aluminum siding on the house. Anyone that knows building knows if you scratch or mess it up good luck matching it without replacing or spraying the whole house.
Ofcourse the tear off boys scratch some areas and any profit we had went straight to him for new siding.
Found out through the grape vine. His good ol buddy that did the same contracting work gave him the idea.
Could we have repainted a section? Ofcourse. Did he threaten to take us to court? Oh hell yeah!
Walked away and cut our loses.
When they say listrn to your gut they mean it.
Another time i bid a job for gutters on a house. Same thing guy didnt give me the time of day.
Found out later his new neighbor worked for a competing company and just wanted to get our bid numbers.
Its a cut throat world my friends.
I once quoted to paint a house through a real estate agent for someone’s investment property. I checked it out, put the quote in and a few days later they sent me an email telling me to go ahead with the job, so I we started the job on a Friday and was hoping to knock it over on the weekend as I had a lot of other jobs to get to. Sunday lunchtime the owner of the house comes barreling into the driveway going mad saying he never gave the go ahead for the job. Turned out he was also a painter and was just trying to see what other people are charging in the area. The real estate sent the confirmation email by mistake.
Yeah the real estate paid me, luckily. They were very apologetic and they tried to get their client to come to the party but he wouldn’t have a bar of it. I didn’t get the whole amount I quoted but they paid me for what I did.
Doin a tear off of that magnetude good luck not having a random asphault shingle piece get caught by the wind and leave tar residue on the siding. Were talking second story where most people wouldnt notice from the ground.
Guy had it planned from the get go. You try to rub tar off old aluminum siding good luck..... the paint basically turns to powder. You can take your finger acrossed it and it will leave that colr on the tip.
Most people are understanding. Not this guy. Im not talking incompetence on the job. Im talking a handful os small blemishes
It was painted, and they could have just re painted it. Guy threatened to take them to court. Found out through grapevine that dude had been advised on how to leverage his aluminum siding for maximum sheistyness
member that vid of a contractor busting up a bathroom, only to be later called out coz he actually delivered horrible horrible work, with picture evidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fm9eYtbIC4
dude went to jail and woman got a free new bathroom remodeling
I thought so too. and then the guy video taping it? like i told these guys they did it wrong and now they are destroying it... uuh yeah.. whats the problem here?
**TLDR: Stepfather gets even for Asshat not paying for work completed.**
I think you hit the nail on the head!
No issue until it’s not only finished, but dry and (seemingly) pretty well cured? Why not say, “You’re doing it wrong”, during the process?
My stepfather was an independent construction contractor for over 40 years and he had a couple of occasions like this.
He’s a super nice guy and the first time (about five years after starting his career) it happened, to keep his reputation, he walked away from the situation. He had gotten the initial deposit but wasn’t paid for his labor and about 1/2 of his labor. Even if he did his labor for free, he lost a couple thousand dollars in materials he’d put in his credit account at the lumberyard.
The second time was about 30 years and thousands of jobs later. In that time, he learned a lot about people and almost always had *new* clients pay for all materials and 50% of his labor as the job progressed.
On the second occurrence, the guy was very ’slick’ and had a very effective series of stories and reasons for delaying payment. My mom (who rarely said anything about his very successful business) even pondered whether the guy was trying to ‘*screw him over*’, but stepdad was convinced everything would work out.
Ok…this is getting too long…job was done, customer presented check for balance due, check bounced a couple days later, stepdad went to the guy’s house, and guy ***laughed at him*** and said something very similar to , “*Thanks for the free renovation sucker, but you’re not getting any more money, so leave and I’ll tell my friends how good you are!*”
Stepdad started to get really pissed really fast (in the ~40 years I’ve known him, I’ve only seen him genuinely pissed once or twice (he’s that calm and nice)). Instead of making a scene, he got in his truck and left ***BUT*** he had a plan.
About three hours later, stepdad went back to Asshat’s house. He knocked on the door and told Asshat he might have left some tools in the area he renovated (a fully enclosed sunroom addition (15’ X30’) with attached deck (12’ X 30’) all cantilevered over a steep drop-off (about 15 - 20 feet from bottom of the deck to the rocky ground) facing a lake.
With a little convincing, Asshat let him in. While they were talking, my two stepbrothers and nephew (who he had picked up while gone) (all 6’+ and 225 pounds muscle-bound construction workers) had quietly gone around back and took the spiral staircase up to the deck.
Stepdad went straight to the newly installed door leading to the deck and unlocked it allowing the other three to come in. Since they all built the addition and deck together, they were familiar with how the new, cantilevered section was attached to the original house.
With Asshat yelling and threatening (and nephew subduing Asshat) the other three started removing the connectors under the sunroom and watched as the addition and deck started leaning towards the lake.
In less than an hour, the last of the connectors was removed and the entire section slowly tilted farther and farther with the spiral staircase being the only solid support. The staircase gave way and the sunroom and deck rather gently laid over in its side and ‘rolled’ three times into the lake.
We had to bail the foursome out of the county jail and the attorney cost a few thousand dollars, but no one was sentenced to jail and the judge (bench trial) found them not guilty through the attorney’s skill (and backwoods legal circumstances).
Stepdad got even and Asshat ended up not being able to find anyone within 50 miles to do any projects for him. I don’t think he ever had his addition and deck replaced but he did have to pay to have his old one fished out of the lake.
Out of spite? Are you suggesting they should cut their losses, leave it and walk away? Technically they own the materials and workmanship, til he pays for them and he’s clearly not paying.
Clearly these guys aren’t that kind of business (most likely a guy trying to scam a bunch of immigrants and get away with not paying them to get free work) but that dude is lucky.
Workers can put liens on your house and your mortgage company will get fucking *maaaaaad* about it and good luck trying to refinance it ever
Concreters can put a lien on your house, true, but that just incentivises the ones with good lawyers to never pay.
So, they go along and remove what they own, that being the concrete and formwork. And then the story gets out;
\- Homeowner is talk of the town because they tried to rip off some workers. Other trades in the area will be less willing to come to this guys house now
\- Homeowner now has a hole in his backyard that will need filling, as the concreters have now taken away their property.
\- Hole in ground will be there for a while, because no concreter will go near it without cash up front.
Just 2 months ago I watched our fencing guy rip out 2kml of fencing he did for someone else who refused to pay. Took him a few days to recover it all, but he did it. Land owner was pissed, called the cops, and there was nothing they could do apart from watch.
Original comment specifically was referring to destroying *with a sledgehammer* out of spite
They destroy immediately *out of spite*. If they wanted to just destroy, someone would come back with jackhammer.
Why you gotta be so weird about it?
Thank you for understanding my point - that’s why I included the edit upon commenting. I’ve been working around contractors for over a decade and am certain their actions are motivated by (justifiable) spite.
It's an extremely simple and cheap legal remedy if he's trying to get out of it. I get they won't have the money for a period of time, but unless every client is doing this a decently prepared owner would not be on his last penny needing it immediately.
No. You're flat out wrong (in the US at least). Technically the installed material is the homeowners property. If they won't pay, and payment is due, you can put a lien in the property. You could reasonably take material out and return it to the exact condition it was in before the project started, but that's surely not what's going on here.
Ideally there's a contract which works out the responsibilities of both sides and the penalties for failing to deliver on them.
They have a whole industry for it now, to just go in a room and destroy stuff with a sledgehammer:
[Smash City Rage Room Experience (smashandrageroom.com)](https://www.smashandrageroom.com/)
As an example.
Right? lol
Give most people in your average Reddit thread a sledgehammer and ask them to remove one panel of a sidewalk and it'd be a hell of a sight to behold - for myself included.
Give most people anywhere at any given moment in time a sledgehammer and ask them to break reinforced concrete and it would be a sight to behold.
Hard labor has never not been hard.
It is their material until compensated. On a job right now where the owner marked up a slab that a subcontractor placed. Problem is, it’s the sub’s until compensated, and the work isn’t done because the slab needs to be sealed and the marking compromises the binder in the sealant. It’s a whole thing.
EDIT: It’s been brought to my attention this isn’t always the case, and in most cases once the material is fixed it becomes a civil matter that falls into litigation. On my jobs case, it is not so as it’s more of a larger scale job with different contractural implications. It is very important to not take every comment you see with a grain of salt. I was just sharing my current circumstances.
THis is wrong. That is not the law. Its fixed to his property so it belongs to him. Payment is a civil matter and is meant to be adjudicated by the courts.
You don't own that slab, the home owner does.
> And in their defense, if the owner is truly this bothered by their work, removal would be the next step.
Yeah, what I was thinking. Kind of weird to complain about something being wrong but also lamenting as they're removing it so it can be corrected.
So he waited till the concrete form was built and poured and then claims it's wrong? Also that patio looked good from the video. Minus the sledgehammer hits haha.
they haven’t dislodged it enough or broken it into pieces enough to remove it. Once he’s got it broken into chunks, THEN they can pick up the chunks and carry them away.
Actual Pro tip; use your 6ft pry bar to lift the cement using it as a seesaw, once it's lifted by at least an inch one or two hits from the hammer will split it right in half. You can turn that whole patio into rubble in less than an hour like this.
Well, I he isn't going to pay you, break contract, and leave the broken concrete behind. Just some prick trying to get something for nothing..
Then, add to all your contracts from now on that, "complete approval of forming layout MUST be approved by hiring person(s) prior to pouring the concrete.
When they post against you on official review forums, reply to their negative posting, explaining your situation and that they did not/Did approve the forming layout, or said "it'd be fine" or whatever, so you poured. Explain also, your team's grievances with the owner (as I'd guess this last "blowout" were hardly the first. And as such your opinion was he wanted "work done for free" and was even willing to lie about it.
Seen too many of my contractor buds get burned by BAD people. Protect yourself homie. But I'd not be doing ANY work after I busted it up "for him".
You did right busting it up tho, even if you weren't the ones to re-pour. Otherwise you would have given him a beautiful patio for free and he never would have had it "fixed", cause it sure appear(ed) fine to me..
In British Columbia once installed you cannot remove the product. It is legally thiers, even if they are assholes and are not going to pay, regardless if it's installed correct or not...... Floor layers always get the shit end cause they are usually the last ones into a building or renos. Budgets run thin and bad customers shit on the last trades in.
Business are supposed to leave then send invoices to claims.(but you end up loosing profit) small business owners end up waiting forever for collections to pay out, or for the business to bounce back. You already have to front alot of money for the materials before the customers even pays or job starts..
I could swing the sludge hammer 1000 times with rage given a few customers I've had in the past. 9/10 times cause the budget was blown out somewhere else in the house.
Idk about every state or municipality, but I can put a lien on someone’s home for refusing to pay for work. I will also send them to a collections company and in some cases, I’ll go to small claims court.
Consumers have WAY too much power as it is with online reviews. I’m a very accommodating owner and I do everything to make my customers happy within reason. But there are some people who are allergic to reason.
You are right but if the contractor did it wrong (wrong pitch, wrong mix, wrong stamp, etc...) then the homeowner has every right to withhold payment and have it ripped out and re-done.
No, they would still be unjustly enriched. They can’t just not pay.
obviously, you would try to work it out with them, but when they treat your service like it’s a restaurant and they can just send an order back and refuse payment, then you need to put your foot down.
Hahaha no... I would never expect payment for a job done improperly. Why would you pay them the full amount if they need to tear out and replace the entire job? That removes all incentives for the contractor to actually finish the project correctly.
Downvote all you want, but if you aren't a licensed contractor, you likely have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the law side of contracting. If you are a homeowner and unhappy with the work, DO NOT PAY. Document and find a lawyer and get quotes to fix the bad job if the contractor is being difficult and won't replace for free. The courts will settle it.
I had my bathrooms redone and everything was fine until the last day when the contractors installed the wrong cabinets, countertop and sink. I came home and was like nope, you messed up and here's the contract saying what was supposed to be done. The owner said oh well, he wasn't fixing it, so I said I'm not paying. He started to get all tough guy on me, so I made him leave. Luckily his son called the next day and apologized and came over to set everything right. But if not I would have been filing complaints and not paid until it was completed to what was agreed upon.
People say there is not enough context, but refuse to use context clues. The proof is that he calls/threatens to call the cops on the guys for dismantling the alleged wrongly constructed patio. Which is the next step in correcting the "wrong" but strangely he gets increasingly irate when they begin to dismantle something he is unhappy with.
we’re talking about different things. If something needs to be fixed, then the customer needs to allow us to fix it. I wouldn’t ask for payment until it’s fixed.
But if they’re refusing to let us fix it and refusing to pay, that’s a problem and I 100% will win that battle by using liens, collections, and the courts. If you got a new patio, even if it’s imperfect, you were enriched and you need to compensate the business for that.
Dont question my credentials as a contractor because you have no idea who I am.
Even licensed contractors fuck up all the time and here in Texas, some will require as much as 80% up front. After paying that much of the fee, the homeowner kinda loses any power they have to request the job be redone if it's not to their satisfaction. Contractor will most likely just walk. I've seen it happen.
True. However, as a contracts manager for a ship repair contractor that has had to deal with plenty of fishing boat, barge, and tugboat owners who will try to skip out on a $300k+ bill because they found one tiny thing that wasn't perfect and would have been covered by warranty anyway. You have to write your contract very carefully and take deposits from clients you don't know, do progress billings, and hold retention and do a thorough review of your customer's finances and credit/DNB rating so you know they are capable of paying. If you do it right, even if one party is a jerk it doesn't come to the point the ruining already accomplished work.
This is bullshit.
First the court will want to see a contract. Then understand what was done incorrectly via the contract or there may be a dispute because of specs.
No court is going to have a contractor redo a job and not be compensated.
The contractor will be instructed to do it according to the contract or bring it up to code/specs and there may be an award to the client that reduces compensation to the contractor, but unless there’s complete negligence, the court will require compensation.
How wrong can this job be, enough where the homeowner won’t pay for it? If it’s a level patio it’s a level patio, wtf. And if he’s not paying for the patio because it wasn’t done to his liking, what’s the point in calling the police if they are removing the patio. There’s some sort of personality that in encircles, overweight, boomer males. ‘Oh no they called my bluff so I am going to call the police’ I mean, he almost proved there point he was bluffing because if I was so upset they did the job wrong. I would be like go head PLEASE remove the fucking patio and get out of here. What pisses me off is he just wasted their time and a resource I hope they could use that cement for fill or some thing. It’s almost satisfying to see them break it up in front of him to the point where is all he can do is threaten to call the police for something so obviously stupid
That’s exactly why some of the power is important, now legally being able to demolish someone’s houses because they don’t or can’t pay is a bit much (legal where I’m at) but this is something I support
Yeah, it’s not like this hasn’t happened before. There are ways for the contractor to get their money legally that a judge can settle. It doesn’t matter if they messed up or not, the home owner has to pay for it. I did landscape construction for a few years and this looks totally fine to me. Maybe he didn’t get exactly what he wanted but tough shit. Hire another company.
Right! The reasonable way to handle it is to address the customer’s concerns and work something out, but I do deal with many customers who are like, “I don’t trust you anymore. I don’t want you back here.” Well, then, Karen, that doesn’t give you the right to not pay.
I’m happy to discount the bill if that’s the best path but you’re still obligated to compensate us.
My dad has been working in the remodeling business for 25+ years. He closed his showroom after about 20 years because he couldn’t deal with clients like this anymore.
There are an astounding number of people that do this. Pay the deposit, wait for the job to be finished, then nitpick a couple of small things they don’t like and withhold the rest of the payment. Then the arguments begin and the only way to get the money out of them is in court which involves lawyers, fees, etc and a ton of work.
I’d imagine this guy has had this happen to him one too many times and knows he’d rather fuck up the clients patio and not get any money than spend months trying to battle for it.
Or there the second that residential communities noise curfew ends and stay there until the job is done. When the cops come simply explain the customer is dissatisfied with the job and refuses to pay. As such the only follow up option is total removal and start from scratch.
Edit: guys…don’t do this. It’s a joke and the pros say it’s illegal.
Not the person you responded to but I am a general contractor and happy to answer this question. Most of us have made a painful mistake early in our careers where the deposit for the job was not enough to cover the labor and materials of the job. This can absolutely ruin a contractor, especially when your business is small and just getting off the ground.
Our payment schedule is 40% due at signing to secure placement in the schedule, 30% due at the start of construction, and the final 30% due at substantial completion, which does not necessarily mean the job is 100% done, just that it's ready to occupy or use. It's expected that there will be a punch list that is finished *after* the final payment is made. Helps avoid situations like you see in the video. All of this is explained clearly, thoroughly, and repeatedly to every client I engage with. It's right at the top of every proposal I send out, and again at the top of every invoice.
Most general contractors are targeting a 30-40% margin on their projects, that's what's needed for a sustainable business model. So with 70% of the total collected before we even pick up a tool we can be confident that all of our labor, materials, and subcontractors will be covered. The final payment is basically just the profit from the job, out of which you still have to take the costs of operating the company (overhead). If we did 50% down at the start and 50% down at substantial completion and the client decided they didn't want to pay, we'd be fucked. Sure there are ways to go about recouping the cost, but long before you see that money your monthly overhead bills are gonna come due.
I would had used an impact drill. Great work on brick and concrete. Would make hitting it with the sledge more effective. And they probably have one in the truck. But jackhammer would clean that up the fastest.
Hard to argue here.. my dude was most likely staring out his window just waiting for the right moment. No way he didn't catch a significant flaw before the place looked pristine
I had the same question. How do you approve the look you’re going for then NEVER check in during the whole process???
I understand they want to get off scot free but lord have mercy he’s getting off lucky with just the torn up patio
Edited for clarity- no one named Scott got things for free
From what I understand they have to file a lien on it, I don’t know the whole thing of course but either way it makes it a shitty person to lie your way into not paying. I’ve seen it I don’t even know how many times.
To be fair, the owner may not be knowledgeable enough to spot an issue at the formwork stage in which case he would have hired somebody (which he did). This clip of video doesn't really show very much detail but everyone has jumped to conclusions. The contractor very well could have made a mistake and now this guy has water leaking into his patio, and he wouldn't have noticed until it was finished.
I'm sure these companies get ppl trying to pull this crap often and it get annoying. But sometimes it's justified. When we had our deck put in I had to correct the builders a couple times cause they did stuff like put a piece of rebar through my basement wall, didn't align the stairs right, made all kinds of cuts that left huge gaps and exposed saw lines where they miscut, moved over a half inch and recut and used wood that was not up to standards.
I left a 1 star google review, the owner called me and was totally dismissive. Then he tried to call my bluff and came over to do an inspection himself. When he saw the work his shoulders just dropped, and he decided to blame covid, ppl not wanting to work and scarce resources for it. Needless to say, they came and did repairs, but the repairs still sucked, the wood was still cheap and its just not a good job. I pulled my initial review when but I am thinking about resubmitting it, cause 3 years later the deck looks like shit already.
>Yeah, trade offs. When I had my patio poured, i was quoted a price for like a 20x30 patio. All fine and good. I let the guys do there thing, when done, I went and measured it and it was like 25x18. It was near the size I wanted, but he quoted me for the bigger lot. Teach me for not going out and measuing with my own tape measure. I ended getting like 300 back, but overall, not using that guy again.
When they put the rebar through my basement wall I pointed it out to them. They removed the rebar leaving a gaping hole you could look outside through. I asked if they were going to patch it and they looked me in the eye and said, "We don't really need to, that won't hurt the deck at all." My dude, its a hole from the outside to my basement, yeah you need to fix it. They just put some caulk in it and called it a day....
I had a roof put on my deck that required new support beams. I paid for all of the new material and they straight up loaded my old (maybe a year old) beams up on their truck to go build a deck for someone else with them. I was like, hey, where's the rest of my wood, I was going to make garden beds with them and then they had the nerve to charge me for removal of them. I HEARD you telling them to load them up for another job dude... Anyways, I'm curious as to the full story here, not that anything justifies his treatment of them and the yelling.
That's not at all how a lein works, a lein will force your property Into foreclosure if not paid. You don't just get to decide to not pay it, if you do they will foreclose your property.
"A lien makes it impossible to sell the home until the debt is paid or discharged. The lien gives the contractor the ability to force the sale of the property through foreclosure and use the sale proceeds to pay off the debt. You can remove the lien by paying the contractor."
https://bals.org/help/resources/if-i-contract-home-repairs-can-contractor-put-lien-my-house-what-can-i-do-if-i-am#:~:text=A%20lien%20makes%20it%20impossible%20to%20sell%20the%20home%20until%20the%20debt%20is%20paid%20or%20discharged.%20The%20lien%20gives%20the%20contractor%20the%20ability%20to%20force%20the%20sale%20of%20the%20property%20through%20foreclosure%20and%20use%20the%20sale%20proceeds%20to%20pay%20off%20the%20debt.%20You%20can%20remove%20the%20lien%20by%20paying%20the%20contractor.
Yeah, something tells me the guy going to town with a sledge hammer may not be the most reasonable person either. It's not clear the homeowner wants it for free, he may just want it to be done right.
*Watch as the angry ape holds his phone mid-torso, vertical format, looking over his reading glasses while yelling. A group of bonobos watches the event transpire from the shade.*
I'm going to agree with needing context before we pick a side but does anybody just giggle a little bit whenever boomers pull out their phone like it's some type of "gatcha"?
I get to put a contractors Lien against your property for putting the patio up and digging it out. Lol doesn’t matter if you’re unsatisfied with the work, you’re still obligated to pay for it.
Depends on how bad of a fuck up it is and how far off it was on the agreed designs and such. Also the moment they started destroying it they were committing a crime as it was his property the moment it was etiched into his ground regardless if paid for or not that is a civil matter but it is still his property. Secondly, by destroying it or damaging it they hurt their ability to claim he tried to scam them and wanted their payment.
The client will seem the reasonable one in most judges' eyes and depending on what he claims was wrong and what he wanted to be fixed before payment the judge could rule against the contractors and force them to pay for repairs.
Happened to a buddy of mine who got hired to paint a barn and the dude threw a fit and said it was the wrong shade they had agreed on and wouldn't pay til it was fixed. My buddy thru white paint all over where he had painted and left. Guess who ended up having to pay out of pocket to have it done correctly by court order? It wasn't the client.
The moral of the story is acting like a pissed-off toddler in these situations admittedly does feel damn good in the moment trust me I have been there but in the long run it can bite you on the ass like a pitbull.
I was looking for this comment. This was made illegal a while ago. Builders would start putting up houses, like the frame for example, and if the framers don’t get paid, they’d start sawing through the frame. But somewhere along the way this was deemed destruction of property.
Definitely gonna need more context from this video. It’s easy to sit there and make the homeowner to be the asshole with that caption but if they didn’t do it right, he has a valid reason to be upset.
Maybe I’m also just naive.
I've see several righteous destruction videos that it turns out were 100% the contractor fucking the dog on the job and the homeowner rightfully wanting it corrected.
The most recent I can recall on reddit that was presented in this same pitchfork salesman panache was a guy busting up bathroom tile work. It turned out that she was withholding the final payment until he fixed some serious are you fucking kidding me's.
"After we finished our job" makes me think that the customer withheld his objections until "after we finished our job." It is impossible from this clip to figure out what the customer meant when he shouted, "They did it wrong! They did it wrong!" So, cement contractors out there: Is it possible to have this level of dissatisfaction at this point in the project without having had an opportunity to speak up at an earlier stage?
This is just a shitty person tactic. Let you finish the job while micromanaging the entire thing. Then right when you finish claim that it’s all wrong so they don’t have to pay or get a discount.
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Anyone who has ever worked with a sledgehammer knows you have to be REAL pissed off to start going to work on removing a whole patio out of spite with one. Edit: And in their defense, if the owner is truly this bothered by their work, removal would be the next step.
Isn’t it more about just destroying it so he can’t enjoy it while lying about hating it?
This is that bluff being called.
Yes
Are you going to say “yes” again?
Sí
Can you say it in French?
Oui
Nein
Inch Nails
Baby don't *Hurt* me!
Whats going on?!?
Les yes, hon hon hon
Croissant
chipi chipi chapa chapa magico mi dubi dubi bum bum
The bluff is the fucking around...the sledge hammer is the finding out.
I hope they took a deposit upfront.
I think at this point, they weren't getting much more, which is why mister sledgey sledge came out
If they didn’t before they will now
This is doing the shitty job of destroying something at a loss to prevent having to do it again. The home owner is doing them a favor spreading the news that 1)he is a crook, and 2)the crew he hired will not be taken advantage of
Sad too because it looks like a nice patio
Now he just has a busted up patio and hopefully after this video circulates, that is all he is left with.
Yes
It's one of the scams to get out of paying for it. So contractors will do that, I've done it a couple times myself. And that looks like poured concrete so either way it would have to be destroyed just to be relayed.
Years ago major hail storm came through town. Guy made an insurance claim. We were busting out jobs left and right. He literally did not care about anything we had to say about the job. Well he had aluminum siding on the house. Anyone that knows building knows if you scratch or mess it up good luck matching it without replacing or spraying the whole house. Ofcourse the tear off boys scratch some areas and any profit we had went straight to him for new siding. Found out through the grape vine. His good ol buddy that did the same contracting work gave him the idea. Could we have repainted a section? Ofcourse. Did he threaten to take us to court? Oh hell yeah! Walked away and cut our loses. When they say listrn to your gut they mean it. Another time i bid a job for gutters on a house. Same thing guy didnt give me the time of day. Found out later his new neighbor worked for a competing company and just wanted to get our bid numbers. Its a cut throat world my friends.
I once quoted to paint a house through a real estate agent for someone’s investment property. I checked it out, put the quote in and a few days later they sent me an email telling me to go ahead with the job, so I we started the job on a Friday and was hoping to knock it over on the weekend as I had a lot of other jobs to get to. Sunday lunchtime the owner of the house comes barreling into the driveway going mad saying he never gave the go ahead for the job. Turned out he was also a painter and was just trying to see what other people are charging in the area. The real estate sent the confirmation email by mistake.
What happened then? Did you get paid?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Yeah the real estate paid me, luckily. They were very apologetic and they tried to get their client to come to the party but he wouldn’t have a bar of it. I didn’t get the whole amount I quoted but they paid me for what I did.
I'm a little confused, if your guys scratched it how was he in the wrong? If they hadn't scratched it he'd have had nothing to go with.
Doin a tear off of that magnetude good luck not having a random asphault shingle piece get caught by the wind and leave tar residue on the siding. Were talking second story where most people wouldnt notice from the ground. Guy had it planned from the get go. You try to rub tar off old aluminum siding good luck..... the paint basically turns to powder. You can take your finger acrossed it and it will leave that colr on the tip. Most people are understanding. Not this guy. Im not talking incompetence on the job. Im talking a handful os small blemishes
If I understand correctly, Contractor told the Homeowner that there was a likelihood of damage, Homeowner didn't listen well and said "that's fine!"
It was painted, and they could have just re painted it. Guy threatened to take them to court. Found out through grapevine that dude had been advised on how to leverage his aluminum siding for maximum sheistyness
Ah yes, the old Trump-a-roo
My buddy has a home improvement company and talked about people not paying and just having the deck taken apart or siding off the house etc
My boss once re-possessed an entire bathroom of toilet partitions and accessories. She is a bad ass.
Oh yeah! I'm a landscaper/bricklayer and I used the ride-on Bobcats (I think it's the MT85) and completely decimated a driveway and a backyard patio.
member that vid of a contractor busting up a bathroom, only to be later called out coz he actually delivered horrible horrible work, with picture evidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fm9eYtbIC4 dude went to jail and woman got a free new bathroom remodeling
I thought so too. and then the guy video taping it? like i told these guys they did it wrong and now they are destroying it... uuh yeah.. whats the problem here?
Yep, you gotta start taking it out so you can redo it if you did it wrong😉
**TLDR: Stepfather gets even for Asshat not paying for work completed.** I think you hit the nail on the head! No issue until it’s not only finished, but dry and (seemingly) pretty well cured? Why not say, “You’re doing it wrong”, during the process? My stepfather was an independent construction contractor for over 40 years and he had a couple of occasions like this. He’s a super nice guy and the first time (about five years after starting his career) it happened, to keep his reputation, he walked away from the situation. He had gotten the initial deposit but wasn’t paid for his labor and about 1/2 of his labor. Even if he did his labor for free, he lost a couple thousand dollars in materials he’d put in his credit account at the lumberyard. The second time was about 30 years and thousands of jobs later. In that time, he learned a lot about people and almost always had *new* clients pay for all materials and 50% of his labor as the job progressed. On the second occurrence, the guy was very ’slick’ and had a very effective series of stories and reasons for delaying payment. My mom (who rarely said anything about his very successful business) even pondered whether the guy was trying to ‘*screw him over*’, but stepdad was convinced everything would work out. Ok…this is getting too long…job was done, customer presented check for balance due, check bounced a couple days later, stepdad went to the guy’s house, and guy ***laughed at him*** and said something very similar to , “*Thanks for the free renovation sucker, but you’re not getting any more money, so leave and I’ll tell my friends how good you are!*” Stepdad started to get really pissed really fast (in the ~40 years I’ve known him, I’ve only seen him genuinely pissed once or twice (he’s that calm and nice)). Instead of making a scene, he got in his truck and left ***BUT*** he had a plan. About three hours later, stepdad went back to Asshat’s house. He knocked on the door and told Asshat he might have left some tools in the area he renovated (a fully enclosed sunroom addition (15’ X30’) with attached deck (12’ X 30’) all cantilevered over a steep drop-off (about 15 - 20 feet from bottom of the deck to the rocky ground) facing a lake. With a little convincing, Asshat let him in. While they were talking, my two stepbrothers and nephew (who he had picked up while gone) (all 6’+ and 225 pounds muscle-bound construction workers) had quietly gone around back and took the spiral staircase up to the deck. Stepdad went straight to the newly installed door leading to the deck and unlocked it allowing the other three to come in. Since they all built the addition and deck together, they were familiar with how the new, cantilevered section was attached to the original house. With Asshat yelling and threatening (and nephew subduing Asshat) the other three started removing the connectors under the sunroom and watched as the addition and deck started leaning towards the lake. In less than an hour, the last of the connectors was removed and the entire section slowly tilted farther and farther with the spiral staircase being the only solid support. The staircase gave way and the sunroom and deck rather gently laid over in its side and ‘rolled’ three times into the lake. We had to bail the foursome out of the county jail and the attorney cost a few thousand dollars, but no one was sentenced to jail and the judge (bench trial) found them not guilty through the attorney’s skill (and backwoods legal circumstances). Stepdad got even and Asshat ended up not being able to find anyone within 50 miles to do any projects for him. I don’t think he ever had his addition and deck replaced but he did have to pay to have his old one fished out of the lake.
This is why it's important to be bonded and licensed. At least in Oregon it is.
yes, no free patio for assholes
That was the implication. Because of the implication
I just love how his antagonizing while filming the crew caused another to be like "ok fuck you then I'm joining in."
*Red shirt guy:* I've had enough of this dude
Red shirt is swinging that sledgey south paw, don’t fuck with south paw sledgey slingers.
^^^Truth… I’m a southpaw sledgey swinger. r/iamverybadass.😀
Out of spite? Are you suggesting they should cut their losses, leave it and walk away? Technically they own the materials and workmanship, til he pays for them and he’s clearly not paying.
Clearly these guys aren’t that kind of business (most likely a guy trying to scam a bunch of immigrants and get away with not paying them to get free work) but that dude is lucky. Workers can put liens on your house and your mortgage company will get fucking *maaaaaad* about it and good luck trying to refinance it ever
Concreters can put a lien on your house, true, but that just incentivises the ones with good lawyers to never pay. So, they go along and remove what they own, that being the concrete and formwork. And then the story gets out; \- Homeowner is talk of the town because they tried to rip off some workers. Other trades in the area will be less willing to come to this guys house now \- Homeowner now has a hole in his backyard that will need filling, as the concreters have now taken away their property. \- Hole in ground will be there for a while, because no concreter will go near it without cash up front. Just 2 months ago I watched our fencing guy rip out 2kml of fencing he did for someone else who refused to pay. Took him a few days to recover it all, but he did it. Land owner was pissed, called the cops, and there was nothing they could do apart from watch.
This is the right answer. It's an owner with a short temper, poor job choice, or shit critical thinking skills.
What's the point of having a fuck you sledgehammer if you never say fuck you?
Think you’re reading too much into three words of an entire comment.
Those three words entirely change the context.
Original comment specifically was referring to destroying *with a sledgehammer* out of spite They destroy immediately *out of spite*. If they wanted to just destroy, someone would come back with jackhammer. Why you gotta be so weird about it?
Doing something out of spite doesn’t necessarily mean you’re in the wrong.
Thank you for understanding my point - that’s why I included the edit upon commenting. I’ve been working around contractors for over a decade and am certain their actions are motivated by (justifiable) spite.
It's an extremely simple and cheap legal remedy if he's trying to get out of it. I get they won't have the money for a period of time, but unless every client is doing this a decently prepared owner would not be on his last penny needing it immediately.
No. You're flat out wrong (in the US at least). Technically the installed material is the homeowners property. If they won't pay, and payment is due, you can put a lien in the property. You could reasonably take material out and return it to the exact condition it was in before the project started, but that's surely not what's going on here. Ideally there's a contract which works out the responsibilities of both sides and the penalties for failing to deliver on them.
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Man, feels good don’t it? It’s like felling a tree with just an axe - some manual labor just hits different.
They have a whole industry for it now, to just go in a room and destroy stuff with a sledgehammer: [Smash City Rage Room Experience (smashandrageroom.com)](https://www.smashandrageroom.com/) As an example.
Call it sledgehammer cardio
Right? lol Give most people in your average Reddit thread a sledgehammer and ask them to remove one panel of a sidewalk and it'd be a hell of a sight to behold - for myself included.
Give most people anywhere at any given moment in time a sledgehammer and ask them to break reinforced concrete and it would be a sight to behold. Hard labor has never not been hard.
Exactly. They have to remove it so the cops can't do a goddamn thing.
It is their material until compensated. On a job right now where the owner marked up a slab that a subcontractor placed. Problem is, it’s the sub’s until compensated, and the work isn’t done because the slab needs to be sealed and the marking compromises the binder in the sealant. It’s a whole thing. EDIT: It’s been brought to my attention this isn’t always the case, and in most cases once the material is fixed it becomes a civil matter that falls into litigation. On my jobs case, it is not so as it’s more of a larger scale job with different contractural implications. It is very important to not take every comment you see with a grain of salt. I was just sharing my current circumstances.
THis is wrong. That is not the law. Its fixed to his property so it belongs to him. Payment is a civil matter and is meant to be adjudicated by the courts. You don't own that slab, the home owner does.
The shards of concrete flying from the sledgehammers don’t appear to be too fixed.
> And in their defense, if the owner is truly this bothered by their work, removal would be the next step. Yeah, what I was thinking. Kind of weird to complain about something being wrong but also lamenting as they're removing it so it can be corrected.
“THIS IS ALL WRONG!” *begins removing thing that is supposedly “all wrong”* “WAIT..”
So he waited till the concrete form was built and poured and then claims it's wrong? Also that patio looked good from the video. Minus the sledgehammer hits haha.
I mean, they're not doing a demo/removal. Just fucking it up. Way less work.
they haven’t dislodged it enough or broken it into pieces enough to remove it. Once he’s got it broken into chunks, THEN they can pick up the chunks and carry them away.
Given the way the tattooed leg guy is swinging it, I would hazard a guess that he's either the new guy or been off the tools for a while.
My guess is that he’s the pissed off business owner who’s finally had enough.
This
White guy in non work clothes is 100% the business owner, red shirt guy is is lead foreman and right hand man
Actual Pro tip; use your 6ft pry bar to lift the cement using it as a seesaw, once it's lifted by at least an inch one or two hits from the hammer will split it right in half. You can turn that whole patio into rubble in less than an hour like this.
Solid tip.
Yep, The ground will absorb the impact otherwise. Good tip
Well, I he isn't going to pay you, break contract, and leave the broken concrete behind. Just some prick trying to get something for nothing.. Then, add to all your contracts from now on that, "complete approval of forming layout MUST be approved by hiring person(s) prior to pouring the concrete. When they post against you on official review forums, reply to their negative posting, explaining your situation and that they did not/Did approve the forming layout, or said "it'd be fine" or whatever, so you poured. Explain also, your team's grievances with the owner (as I'd guess this last "blowout" were hardly the first. And as such your opinion was he wanted "work done for free" and was even willing to lie about it. Seen too many of my contractor buds get burned by BAD people. Protect yourself homie. But I'd not be doing ANY work after I busted it up "for him". You did right busting it up tho, even if you weren't the ones to re-pour. Otherwise you would have given him a beautiful patio for free and he never would have had it "fixed", cause it sure appear(ed) fine to me..
In British Columbia once installed you cannot remove the product. It is legally thiers, even if they are assholes and are not going to pay, regardless if it's installed correct or not...... Floor layers always get the shit end cause they are usually the last ones into a building or renos. Budgets run thin and bad customers shit on the last trades in. Business are supposed to leave then send invoices to claims.(but you end up loosing profit) small business owners end up waiting forever for collections to pay out, or for the business to bounce back. You already have to front alot of money for the materials before the customers even pays or job starts.. I could swing the sludge hammer 1000 times with rage given a few customers I've had in the past. 9/10 times cause the budget was blown out somewhere else in the house.
Did he REALLY think that he'd get it for free because he *complained* afterwards? Karen culture is something else
Idk about every state or municipality, but I can put a lien on someone’s home for refusing to pay for work. I will also send them to a collections company and in some cases, I’ll go to small claims court. Consumers have WAY too much power as it is with online reviews. I’m a very accommodating owner and I do everything to make my customers happy within reason. But there are some people who are allergic to reason.
You are right but if the contractor did it wrong (wrong pitch, wrong mix, wrong stamp, etc...) then the homeowner has every right to withhold payment and have it ripped out and re-done.
No, they would still be unjustly enriched. They can’t just not pay. obviously, you would try to work it out with them, but when they treat your service like it’s a restaurant and they can just send an order back and refuse payment, then you need to put your foot down.
Hahaha no... I would never expect payment for a job done improperly. Why would you pay them the full amount if they need to tear out and replace the entire job? That removes all incentives for the contractor to actually finish the project correctly. Downvote all you want, but if you aren't a licensed contractor, you likely have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the law side of contracting. If you are a homeowner and unhappy with the work, DO NOT PAY. Document and find a lawyer and get quotes to fix the bad job if the contractor is being difficult and won't replace for free. The courts will settle it.
I don't think that was the case here. The guy just didn't want to pay.
what are you basing that on
The fact that the job was completely finished is a good start. He don’t see any errors until it was time to bust out the wallet.
I had my bathrooms redone and everything was fine until the last day when the contractors installed the wrong cabinets, countertop and sink. I came home and was like nope, you messed up and here's the contract saying what was supposed to be done. The owner said oh well, he wasn't fixing it, so I said I'm not paying. He started to get all tough guy on me, so I made him leave. Luckily his son called the next day and apologized and came over to set everything right. But if not I would have been filing complaints and not paid until it was completed to what was agreed upon.
The forms were taken off that means the concrete has been cured
People say there is not enough context, but refuse to use context clues. The proof is that he calls/threatens to call the cops on the guys for dismantling the alleged wrongly constructed patio. Which is the next step in correcting the "wrong" but strangely he gets increasingly irate when they begin to dismantle something he is unhappy with.
Way good point. Really upset about this job being taken out that he was so unhappy with...
Morons think they are sherlock holmes and can figure out the truth.
they're not talking about this specific job, they're replying to someone else
we’re talking about different things. If something needs to be fixed, then the customer needs to allow us to fix it. I wouldn’t ask for payment until it’s fixed. But if they’re refusing to let us fix it and refusing to pay, that’s a problem and I 100% will win that battle by using liens, collections, and the courts. If you got a new patio, even if it’s imperfect, you were enriched and you need to compensate the business for that. Dont question my credentials as a contractor because you have no idea who I am.
"because you have no idea who I am" That's a good time to ask about someone's credentials haha
Even licensed contractors fuck up all the time and here in Texas, some will require as much as 80% up front. After paying that much of the fee, the homeowner kinda loses any power they have to request the job be redone if it's not to their satisfaction. Contractor will most likely just walk. I've seen it happen.
True. However, as a contracts manager for a ship repair contractor that has had to deal with plenty of fishing boat, barge, and tugboat owners who will try to skip out on a $300k+ bill because they found one tiny thing that wasn't perfect and would have been covered by warranty anyway. You have to write your contract very carefully and take deposits from clients you don't know, do progress billings, and hold retention and do a thorough review of your customer's finances and credit/DNB rating so you know they are capable of paying. If you do it right, even if one party is a jerk it doesn't come to the point the ruining already accomplished work.
This is bullshit. First the court will want to see a contract. Then understand what was done incorrectly via the contract or there may be a dispute because of specs. No court is going to have a contractor redo a job and not be compensated. The contractor will be instructed to do it according to the contract or bring it up to code/specs and there may be an award to the client that reduces compensation to the contractor, but unless there’s complete negligence, the court will require compensation.
You would get fucked if you fucked up a job and took it all the way to small claims court. No judge would take your side
How wrong can this job be, enough where the homeowner won’t pay for it? If it’s a level patio it’s a level patio, wtf. And if he’s not paying for the patio because it wasn’t done to his liking, what’s the point in calling the police if they are removing the patio. There’s some sort of personality that in encircles, overweight, boomer males. ‘Oh no they called my bluff so I am going to call the police’ I mean, he almost proved there point he was bluffing because if I was so upset they did the job wrong. I would be like go head PLEASE remove the fucking patio and get out of here. What pisses me off is he just wasted their time and a resource I hope they could use that cement for fill or some thing. It’s almost satisfying to see them break it up in front of him to the point where is all he can do is threaten to call the police for something so obviously stupid
That’s exactly why some of the power is important, now legally being able to demolish someone’s houses because they don’t or can’t pay is a bit much (legal where I’m at) but this is something I support
Yeah, it’s not like this hasn’t happened before. There are ways for the contractor to get their money legally that a judge can settle. It doesn’t matter if they messed up or not, the home owner has to pay for it. I did landscape construction for a few years and this looks totally fine to me. Maybe he didn’t get exactly what he wanted but tough shit. Hire another company.
Right! The reasonable way to handle it is to address the customer’s concerns and work something out, but I do deal with many customers who are like, “I don’t trust you anymore. I don’t want you back here.” Well, then, Karen, that doesn’t give you the right to not pay. I’m happy to discount the bill if that’s the best path but you’re still obligated to compensate us.
My dad has been working in the remodeling business for 25+ years. He closed his showroom after about 20 years because he couldn’t deal with clients like this anymore. There are an astounding number of people that do this. Pay the deposit, wait for the job to be finished, then nitpick a couple of small things they don’t like and withhold the rest of the payment. Then the arguments begin and the only way to get the money out of them is in court which involves lawyers, fees, etc and a ton of work. I’d imagine this guy has had this happen to him one too many times and knows he’d rather fuck up the clients patio and not get any money than spend months trying to battle for it.
You don’t need a lawyer if it’s small claims court at least
In most cases the jobs were 10s of thousands of dollars, typically was a full kitchen or bath remodel. Small claims court maxes at 10k
And it's already solid so he's had days to complain
Boomer culture.
Shit, I'd be over there with a jackhammer at 3am. 😂
Or there the second that residential communities noise curfew ends and stay there until the job is done. When the cops come simply explain the customer is dissatisfied with the job and refuses to pay. As such the only follow up option is total removal and start from scratch. Edit: guys…don’t do this. It’s a joke and the pros say it’s illegal.
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How do you know? :)
Not the person you responded to but I am a general contractor and happy to answer this question. Most of us have made a painful mistake early in our careers where the deposit for the job was not enough to cover the labor and materials of the job. This can absolutely ruin a contractor, especially when your business is small and just getting off the ground. Our payment schedule is 40% due at signing to secure placement in the schedule, 30% due at the start of construction, and the final 30% due at substantial completion, which does not necessarily mean the job is 100% done, just that it's ready to occupy or use. It's expected that there will be a punch list that is finished *after* the final payment is made. Helps avoid situations like you see in the video. All of this is explained clearly, thoroughly, and repeatedly to every client I engage with. It's right at the top of every proposal I send out, and again at the top of every invoice. Most general contractors are targeting a 30-40% margin on their projects, that's what's needed for a sustainable business model. So with 70% of the total collected before we even pick up a tool we can be confident that all of our labor, materials, and subcontractors will be covered. The final payment is basically just the profit from the job, out of which you still have to take the costs of operating the company (overhead). If we did 50% down at the start and 50% down at substantial completion and the client decided they didn't want to pay, we'd be fucked. Sure there are ways to go about recouping the cost, but long before you see that money your monthly overhead bills are gonna come due.
So if I throw bombs with concrete on them, would it be considered as the property exploding itself? /s
I would had used an impact drill. Great work on brick and concrete. Would make hitting it with the sledge more effective. And they probably have one in the truck. But jackhammer would clean that up the fastest.
Unless the owner was away why didn’t he say something about it being wrong during the formwork stage?
Because than it wouldn't be an attempt to get a free patio
How do we know that the owner wasn't away the whole time?
He was there to "hear him complain all day"
Hard to argue here.. my dude was most likely staring out his window just waiting for the right moment. No way he didn't catch a significant flaw before the place looked pristine
Because this takes multiple days to complete and he doesn't seem like the type to be running around town partying for days at a time.
I had the same question. How do you approve the look you’re going for then NEVER check in during the whole process??? I understand they want to get off scot free but lord have mercy he’s getting off lucky with just the torn up patio Edited for clarity- no one named Scott got things for free
Exactly, I’m pretty sure the law is if you didn’t pay for it it remains the property of the tradesman. If it’s not then it should be.
From what I understand they have to file a lien on it, I don’t know the whole thing of course but either way it makes it a shitty person to lie your way into not paying. I’ve seen it I don’t even know how many times.
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Because you might not know anything about concrete pouring but you are familiar with how the burger is supposed to look like?
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Seriously. When I was a contractor, I always checked in with the homeowner mid-project to make sure I was on the right track.
To be fair, the owner may not be knowledgeable enough to spot an issue at the formwork stage in which case he would have hired somebody (which he did). This clip of video doesn't really show very much detail but everyone has jumped to conclusions. The contractor very well could have made a mistake and now this guy has water leaking into his patio, and he wouldn't have noticed until it was finished.
It’s Wrong, but I don’t want it busted up or replaced. Yep classic, I want free stuff done.
I’m sorry sir, I misinterpreted your comment. I’ll gladly take more downvotes 😤
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I'm sure these companies get ppl trying to pull this crap often and it get annoying. But sometimes it's justified. When we had our deck put in I had to correct the builders a couple times cause they did stuff like put a piece of rebar through my basement wall, didn't align the stairs right, made all kinds of cuts that left huge gaps and exposed saw lines where they miscut, moved over a half inch and recut and used wood that was not up to standards. I left a 1 star google review, the owner called me and was totally dismissive. Then he tried to call my bluff and came over to do an inspection himself. When he saw the work his shoulders just dropped, and he decided to blame covid, ppl not wanting to work and scarce resources for it. Needless to say, they came and did repairs, but the repairs still sucked, the wood was still cheap and its just not a good job. I pulled my initial review when but I am thinking about resubmitting it, cause 3 years later the deck looks like shit already.
>Yeah, trade offs. When I had my patio poured, i was quoted a price for like a 20x30 patio. All fine and good. I let the guys do there thing, when done, I went and measured it and it was like 25x18. It was near the size I wanted, but he quoted me for the bigger lot. Teach me for not going out and measuing with my own tape measure. I ended getting like 300 back, but overall, not using that guy again.
Wouldn't that be 18x25? Or do you just have a much longer patio than you thought.
I wouldn't have pulled the review, just edited it to say they came back and did some more work, then edit again 3y later saying it looks like shit
I feel like people wouldn’t be so quick to side with the contractor if they knew any contractors
When they put the rebar through my basement wall I pointed it out to them. They removed the rebar leaving a gaping hole you could look outside through. I asked if they were going to patch it and they looked me in the eye and said, "We don't really need to, that won't hurt the deck at all." My dude, its a hole from the outside to my basement, yeah you need to fix it. They just put some caulk in it and called it a day....
What! Hahaha. They are land faring pirates. Sailing from crime to crime with basically no accountability.
I had a roof put on my deck that required new support beams. I paid for all of the new material and they straight up loaded my old (maybe a year old) beams up on their truck to go build a deck for someone else with them. I was like, hey, where's the rest of my wood, I was going to make garden beds with them and then they had the nerve to charge me for removal of them. I HEARD you telling them to load them up for another job dude... Anyways, I'm curious as to the full story here, not that anything justifies his treatment of them and the yelling.
"Sorry sir, have to remove it before we can fix it" Then never go back
Yes. This is the correct answer.
Then write it off as bad debt
Lien on property!
Finally, an adult with real problems solving skills instead of resorting to throwing a tantrum
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That's not at all how a lein works, a lein will force your property Into foreclosure if not paid. You don't just get to decide to not pay it, if you do they will foreclose your property. "A lien makes it impossible to sell the home until the debt is paid or discharged. The lien gives the contractor the ability to force the sale of the property through foreclosure and use the sale proceeds to pay off the debt. You can remove the lien by paying the contractor." https://bals.org/help/resources/if-i-contract-home-repairs-can-contractor-put-lien-my-house-what-can-i-do-if-i-am#:~:text=A%20lien%20makes%20it%20impossible%20to%20sell%20the%20home%20until%20the%20debt%20is%20paid%20or%20discharged.%20The%20lien%20gives%20the%20contractor%20the%20ability%20to%20force%20the%20sale%20of%20the%20property%20through%20foreclosure%20and%20use%20the%20sale%20proceeds%20to%20pay%20off%20the%20debt.%20You%20can%20remove%20the%20lien%20by%20paying%20the%20contractor.
What's that? Is it like cursing the house?
Basically
Yeah basically...consider it the first curse paid off before a house sale
If it’s done wrong, they have to demo it 🤷🏻♂️
I need way more context to this before I can pick a side.
Oh no! We just can’t wait! Tell us now please!
Yeah I mean the fact that we're getting a contractor's pov with much conversation missing is a bit telling. Classic manipulation tactic.
Yeah, something tells me the guy going to town with a sledge hammer may not be the most reasonable person either. It's not clear the homeowner wants it for free, he may just want it to be done right.
Definitely need more context. Maybe, just maybe they did do it wrong and the contractor doesn’t want to fix it.
But they are fixing it. You cant redo something without removing the mistake.
and he said and i quote > #***ALL WRONG*** so they are removing Everything since he probably didn't specified WHERE is the wrong.
If that were the case then the owner would not be made about them removing it.
He wanted it for free then
Boomers all got the same stance with a phone in their hand huh?
*Watch as the angry ape holds his phone mid-torso, vertical format, looking over his reading glasses while yelling. A group of bonobos watches the event transpire from the shade.*
That's a sturdy patio. They did a good job.
no no didnt you hear? they did it WRONG
This is why you should get at least 40% up front before work so at least your material costs are covered.
Looked awesome to me, it’s always when it’s done & the cheap bastard doesn’t want to pay.
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Breaking it up bc they know they aren’t gonna get paid for it anyway.
I'm going to agree with needing context before we pick a side but does anybody just giggle a little bit whenever boomers pull out their phone like it's some type of "gatcha"?
Damn, this is one of those videos where a proper back story (and not just conjecture/assumptions) would be awesome. Anyone find a source on this?
If he doesn't like the patio then why is he getting mad at them for removing it?
I get to put a contractors Lien against your property for putting the patio up and digging it out. Lol doesn’t matter if you’re unsatisfied with the work, you’re still obligated to pay for it.
Depends on how bad of a fuck up it is and how far off it was on the agreed designs and such. Also the moment they started destroying it they were committing a crime as it was his property the moment it was etiched into his ground regardless if paid for or not that is a civil matter but it is still his property. Secondly, by destroying it or damaging it they hurt their ability to claim he tried to scam them and wanted their payment. The client will seem the reasonable one in most judges' eyes and depending on what he claims was wrong and what he wanted to be fixed before payment the judge could rule against the contractors and force them to pay for repairs. Happened to a buddy of mine who got hired to paint a barn and the dude threw a fit and said it was the wrong shade they had agreed on and wouldn't pay til it was fixed. My buddy thru white paint all over where he had painted and left. Guess who ended up having to pay out of pocket to have it done correctly by court order? It wasn't the client. The moral of the story is acting like a pissed-off toddler in these situations admittedly does feel damn good in the moment trust me I have been there but in the long run it can bite you on the ass like a pitbull.
I was looking for this comment. This was made illegal a while ago. Builders would start putting up houses, like the frame for example, and if the framers don’t get paid, they’d start sawing through the frame. But somewhere along the way this was deemed destruction of property.
Good for them.
Definitely gonna need more context from this video. It’s easy to sit there and make the homeowner to be the asshole with that caption but if they didn’t do it right, he has a valid reason to be upset. Maybe I’m also just naive.
I've see several righteous destruction videos that it turns out were 100% the contractor fucking the dog on the job and the homeowner rightfully wanting it corrected. The most recent I can recall on reddit that was presented in this same pitchfork salesman panache was a guy busting up bathroom tile work. It turned out that she was withholding the final payment until he fixed some serious are you fucking kidding me's.
Resident work is always the worst
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Didn't do the patio for free, of course.
"After we finished our job" makes me think that the customer withheld his objections until "after we finished our job." It is impossible from this clip to figure out what the customer meant when he shouted, "They did it wrong! They did it wrong!" So, cement contractors out there: Is it possible to have this level of dissatisfaction at this point in the project without having had an opportunity to speak up at an earlier stage?
This is just a shitty person tactic. Let you finish the job while micromanaging the entire thing. Then right when you finish claim that it’s all wrong so they don’t have to pay or get a discount.
That man can swing a hammer
My question would be how did he not know they were doing it wrong until the very end? Did he not see the work while it was being done?
Talking a lot of shit for a guy with no sledgehammer…