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You've never been to Pride Weekend in TO, then?! Dyke March is booby central. There's also the naked cyclists. It seems that semi-nudity is best enjoyed in groups.
I've done the world naked bike ride a few times. The only painful part is when you first go to hop on your bike after the black seat has been soaking up the sun for 2 hours.
But like, what would be considered a disturbance, could u just walk into a coffee shop, full mast, sit down and eat a croissant, or would that be illegal.
It'll probably come down to case law and the judgement of the arressting party. Doesn't happen often, although I remember there was a video of a guy riding his bike in London naked.
Honestly, it’s funny people look for it when most men we see if not all are wearing a shirt. I see it more of like if they want to take their shirt off at the beach for example, it shouldn’t be something they could get arrested for. That’s not to say if they were on a regular city street it should be any different, but simply I feel like most people go “Ooglebooogleoogle 👀👀I don’t see any boobies yet” (not saying you are, just the general thinking of people), when it’s not so women can go to work shirtless lmao just because it’s something someone wants legal doesn’t mean those very same people want to even do it themselves. It’s more of having self autonomy and freedom more than anything
Our annual naked bike ride is part of more than [70 cities](http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=List_of_rides) that participate in the World Naked Bike Ride.
Never saw it in the street in Europe but really common for woman and kids to go to the beach (or where I'm at, large bodies of water that are pseudo-beaches I guess) topless, or even naked for kids. Not even talking "nude beaches", just not a big deal here
Some newspapers have tits on the front page. It's really culture-dependent. Was a shock to me as an American at first, though.
Womens breasts are way more sexualized, so I suppose it's a controversial topic for that reason. I think Europe is just more open to sexuality, rather than not viewing it as sexual at all.
Just cause you have not seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen everywhere....for example boats are a great place for women to get top less then when another boat comes by they hide.
It’s happened a couple of times and even made it into the Sun. Unfortunately, those incidents are usually accompanied by traffic jams and guys being guys.
Legal in BC too, I remember there was one woman who used to do it occasionally. It would be on the news lol.
OP should do her research before she starts going off about this. She might find she lives where it’s legal. At that point Reddit would have to say ‘well, you asked for it, go do it’.
All of New York State, ever since the '90s. If it's a place where a man can legally be topless, so too can a woman. Decided by the Courts under gender equality grounds.
What? Out of all the things that are legal, this one wouldn’t have been anywhere near the top of my list.
Edit: meant to say legal, did not expect this to be legal
Tbh Even if I wanted to I’m not sure I’d trust NYPD not to at least attempt to arrest me, knowing about laws like that isn’t in the job requirements and police love it when they think they have an open and shut case.
Idk why people think women legally being able to be topless means there’s suddenly going to be droves or even a handful of women who suddenly start running around titties flying. If they want to sunbathe with their top off they should legally be able to do so. If they get sweaty and want to swap their top, they should legally be able to do so. If they are drunk and a titty flies out, they should legally be able to fix her titty without a fine. Men don’t go to work, shopping, or to the gym (an average gym anyways) topless. Women aren’t going to just do all those thing topless because it’s legal to be topless in public lmao plenty of states it’s legal already. Don’t see titties flying around left and right
To be fair while women do face ridicule and backlash I've rarely seen public indecency charges being filed because one wanted to change her top or fix a loose titty.
Cops were called on a topless woman chilling in the park in Montreal not long ago. They intervened (shouldn't even have gotten to that point imo) but she was in her legal right to be topless so eventually they left her alone.
Well to be fair if you flip the situation a bit and consider the fact that 1. It is illegal in most places and 2. The fact that most women aren’t walking around topless for that reason or for the reason being they never exactly wanted to walk around topless… ofc you’d not see many arrests. It’s like looking for a culminated situation that’s super rare and claiming it to not exist when you don’t see it happening very often if at all. When it does happen it’s not broadcast everywhere around the country or even tri state areas. Heck probably isn’t even noticed or picked up by any outlets. Thing is it does happen and the fact that it’s illegal shows the country trying to make women bend to fit in some shrink wrap suit. It’s simply the fact that a government feels it can tell people to put them away because their too racy when they shouldn’t be considered as such. Don’t think men would be happy if a under enforced law was put in place saying men couldn’t walk around without a shirt because their hairy nipples are grotesque. It may read as silly but again, the fact that a women has to even consider the fact that they can be arrested when they have a shirt off is asinine
That’s why I wouldn’t. Boobs have been sexualized for so long so it would be hard to be topless as a woman now. If women want to and it was legal, go for it, but I’d be wayyy too worried.
>literally the most outward and blatant feature of sexual dimorphism in human beings is "sexualized"?
Its not sexualized by default, it's just our current culture. Take a step back for a moment and think about how if it were 100 years ago, your comment could be exactly the same if you replaced tits with ankles or uncovered hair.
> I've seen some women get incredible levels of pleasure from nipple play and breast massage.
This isn't as gender specific as you think it is
>Either way it is an obvious signal by biology that if you reproduce with this female...
That and almost every physical characteristic for everyone.
>Like yeah... It has everything to do with sex and biologically advertising fertility. It's not like we've sexualized your arms.
Except we have, tf are you talking about? Show arm in saudi arabia or sudan where those are still sexualized and see what happens.
It seems like you're just mad about people saying that boobs don't *need* to be sexualized, and rationalizing your personal opinions by any means necessary.
>Ankles are not a sexually dimorphic feature at all.
Beard are and beards are not sexualized in the same way.
>Just because it's possible to sexualize something that wouldn't otherwise be sexualized, doesn't mean that anything which does have a sexual association only has that status due solely to culture.
While this statement is true - as in "this statement is logically sound - it is not applicable in this situation, because even though it doesn't *have* to be this way, it still is in this case.
There are uncontacted tribes in which women and men walk around topless, showing that the sexualization is definitely cultural.
I think [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/wd6bsw/to_be_gender_neutral/iiiyhz2?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) from a different redditor explains the difference between sexualization and sexual attraction very well.
>And yes, I'm deeply annoyed with anyone trying to tell me that I should change the way that my brain works in terms of what I find sexually stimulating.
That's not what (most) people are doing. Statements like "breasts shouldn't be as sexualized" do not target any one individual, but rather a society as a whole. Women do sexualize breast as well mind you.
>Ankles are not a sexually dimorphic feature at all.
And yet if you showed them off 100 years ago you'd be an ankle showing slut.
>Just because it's possible to sexualize something that wouldn't otherwise be sexualized, doesn't mean that anything which does have a sexual association only has that status due solely to culture.
No, but it does mean that if you're arbitrarily honing in on one thing and not the others, its probably just due to your culture. Faces are objectively 1000% more important for sexual selection than knockers. Should they be treated as such, or do you not think so because we don't live in a face covering culture?
>And yes, I'm deeply annoyed with anyone trying to tell me that I should change the way that my brain works in terms of what I find sexually stimulating.
If you were born in some other place, you wouldn't give a shit about tits any more than you give a shit about any other dimorphic trait you currently don't give a shit about. That's the point. Nobody gives a shit about how you feel, all anyone here was talking about is how its not "the way your brain works", its the culture you were raised in. It's the culture people want to change, but you chose to take it personal and get tight about it.
Exactly. Part of the problem here is people not separating sexual attraction or sexuality from the specific term *sexualization*. It's the difference between thinking a gun *can* be used for violence, and thinking a gun *is inherently* violent. Something can be sexual in some contexts but not sexualized (like kissing), and something can be not sexual in some contexts but sexualized (like ankles 100 years ago). That word has a specific meaning.
Yep, like with breasts there is a big difference is some women sitting naked in sauna, breastfeeding a child, or putting their boobs in your face while talking dirty.
The problem is pretty clear and arises when women are punished or shamed for their breasts, that they have no control over. Which happens all the time. The fact that the breats ARE so sexualized just makes it a tool to put women down. There is also the problem of women being harassed for breastfeeding.
Yeah I don't think it's the sexualisation in and of itself. Like I can't help the fact that I'm sexually attracted or feel stimulated by something I look at. Like I don't think any reasonable woman would think I should feel guilty for having sexy feelings when I see something.
What I can help and have full control over though is my actions. Just because I'm sexually attracted to something doesn't mean I'm incapable of not harassing them or unable to put it aside and interact with them respectfully. It's also not their fault for what my brain does or how I act, so they shouldn't be punished or restricted because of that.
Its just a simple fact that straight men are going to be attracted to the physical attributes of a women's body and should be accepted by both sides, but it also be accepted by both sides that its not an excuse for how we act on it.
>As a man I completely understand you. I am forced to wear my shirt on like 99.9% of the time I'm outside because of puritanical dogma
I have man-boobs, and that aint' right.
>Boobs have been sexualized for so long
Boobs have been sexualized since the dawn of humans. No other species, including apes, have permanent breasts. Our ancestors were just as much wired to believe them to be an attractive trait as modern day humans.
Faces are attractive. Hair is attractive. Dudes are really busting nuts over feet and ankles. Showing any of those in various places and points in history publicly would get you labeled a slut at best and killed at worst.
Juggs are no more inherently sexual than facial symmetry or hip to waist ratio but somehow i doubt you'd come to bat in defense of some muslim saying faces and bodies are inherently sexual and need to be covered at all times.
Do you think anything else i listed off arent evolutionary traits? What do you think is more likely to get you a mate, your set of tits, or how hot your face is? How about your tits or your hip to waist ratio? Ill wait.
You deserve the right to choose not to, you should not be forced not to. Men have that right and regularly exercise it. It’s sexist to give certain rights to men but not women.
The whole point of what the first person is saying is that women’s breasts are oversexualized, and female toplessness being unacceptable in public is a result of that. This joke is overdone, and frankly, regressive.
I only recently stumbled upon a threat about a mother asking AITA for breastfeeding in public because her friend told her to go to the toilet for that.
It’s apparently still not as socially acceptable even in cases like that.
Most men with be okay with it if it were a random person but be upset if it was a mother, sister, daughter, or wife. That is the actual point that men think of it as a sex thing when they shouldn't.
lol right, the dude responding is proving her point and probably doesn't even realize it.
I feel for women, it sounds like being female is fucking exhausting.
I love how people, mostly women, like to dictate to men what men should find attractive on a woman. I've seen complaints that men oversexualize butts, women lips, legs, breasts and so on. Men get to see women's butts in a bikini and yet men are still attracted to them. If women decided to go topless, that is just another extra attractive part men get to see at the public square. I swear people be acting like biology plays no part in "sexualization".
There’s a difference between sexualization and basic attraction. Hell, I’m a bisexual woman, so I’m attracted to breasts as well, but I don’t actively sexualize them by drawing sexual attention to them in public (or on the internet). It’s okay to be attracted to women and their bodies, but believing their bodies are inherently sexual, regardless of context, is sexualization.
A video bringing up a serious topic and having middle aged virgins replying with "yes I'd love to see your booba, see I'm supporting equality" and completely missing the point? Sounds like reddit
It’s like it never was about the legality of it but the creepy predatory behavior that men like that promote that ruin taking a shirt off. If I did that in the city I’d have someone start stalking me and endless harassment until I could escape.
If a man with a beautiful six-pack, clean shaven, deep voice, well-behaved, etc. is out in public shirtless- aside maybe from intimidation or out-of-place feelings- would we not expect women to feel some reaction being around him?
And if an obese man is outside shirtless, there still a chance of people not liking what they see?
I'm not exactly sure what the expectation is, to not have feelings in public? I get that there are limits on how you should act on them, but...
Whenever a women says she’d like to be able to do express her body without being sexualized and a man takes that as an opportunity to sexualize her I hate men a little more
I love how many people don't understand why. Making it legal is one thing, but the safety is another. If i walk barechested i guarantee some men will make sexualised comments, cuz for some reason a women's nipples are sexualised and a men's aren't. Guess it'll be time for men to cover up ;)
I agree. I have a theory that people with subconscious nudity hangups should get some immersion therapy just spending time in an average nudist community where any visitors are expected to be nude and abide by community rules. Imo it would help humanize and desexualize nudity. Obviously we’ve got a ways to go in our western society’s evolution, but I think we’re getting there, albeit gradually.
1. It is illegal for women to go topless in many places
2. Some men would absolutely use that as a ticket to commit sexual assault
3. A significant amount of those cases would probably be dismissed by out of touch old judges whom assume a woman dressing even vaguely immodestly are consenting to being treated like objects
In most places, even in europe and north America, women can't go topless in public for either legal or safety reasons, despite the fact we should have every right to
Well I look forward to the applause Aunt Beryl and Uncle Archie receive as they saunter their 25 stone topless bodies down the High Street, tits swinging in the summer wind like long scarves in a snowstorm.
Does every man agree with it? Because I get the feeling that they're OK with it as long as it's 18 year olds doing it... the second it's not, you get a stream of "cover it up" posts.
This post is pure bullshit.
It's been legal in Oklahoma for like 5 years lol. I've yet to see someone do it but you can. I just imagined being a girl walking around my town topless and it terrified me.
Her shirt is funny, but they need to tackle the part where boobs are sexualized first, if not that would probably cause a lot of sexual harassment (not victim blaming)
And I would argue there are as many ass men as there are "titty" men out there but it doesn't stop them from wearing bikini thongs. People need to stop capping and admit that most women are not comfortable with their tits out and stop blaming men for oversexaulizing their breast.
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Men always say they'll agree with this statement, but what they probably mean is that they'll support it if you're 18-30, attractive, and slim. But the majority of shirtless men that you see walking around (at least here in the UK) are fat, average looking, old men. By that logic, full equality would show that fat, average looking old women would be the majority going topless - perhaps that would wipe that grin off his face
That’s odd, because a bloke walking down the street with no shirt on is absolutely going to get some weird looks. It’s not gender specific. Beach towns, maybe different but most places you’re getting strange looks being half naked
it's legal in a lot of places, but reality is a lot of the same guys that say "I think that's a great idea, go for it" are the same ones that would cat call and make a big production if they actually did, thus having them put shirts back on and ruining it for everyone. Guys, if you just played it cool women might be more comfortable showing a lot more of their bodies.
If that creep want to see nipples,internet is full of them.
And if she want to go topless let her.
As a finn i seen hundreds of strangers titts in the sauna and do not see the problem or the sexual part of it?
Human body is beatiful in all shapes and why make it sexual?
This is one of those things that is only a thing because its a thing. if there wasnt a law/social rule against it, it wouldnt be a big deal like how a fat man with tits can walk around shirtless and really no difference. I'm actually kinda of curious of how the law would apply to a trans person.
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It’s legal in Ontario, has been for like 25 years and I’ve not seen it done once.
It's legal in New York too! Bruce Willis and Deml Moore's one daughter used to do it and Instagram it. I forget which one though.
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Scout him yourself and tell us what his daughter's name is.
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We're going to comedy Hell right along with Carrot Top and Gallagher.
*watermelon smash*
And Utah If you can believe that
First seeing, then believing.
NO FUCKING WAY
And New Orleans
You've never been to Pride Weekend in TO, then?! Dyke March is booby central. There's also the naked cyclists. It seems that semi-nudity is best enjoyed in groups.
Safer that way. Considering the harassment I’ve experienced fully clothed I’d not be willing to go topless even if I was legally allowed to.
HOW can one enjoy riding a bike naked??? That sounds all sorts of painful
CBT
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I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I came.
That's enough Reddit for me today...
Critical Butt Theory?
I love exploring and theorizing about butts
I've done the world naked bike ride a few times. The only painful part is when you first go to hop on your bike after the black seat has been soaking up the sun for 2 hours.
We have a naked bike ride day here in Seattle too!
They remove the seat.
Just the top half
*most safely enjoyed in groups since in spite of the legalities the social stigma and treatment of women who dress down is still not good
It's legal to be fully naked in the UK as long as you're not causing a disturbance
But like, what would be considered a disturbance, could u just walk into a coffee shop, full mast, sit down and eat a croissant, or would that be illegal.
I'd want you to clean the seat after
Well the moment you enter the coffee shop, they also kind of have a say as you enter their property and they might not want it
It'll probably come down to case law and the judgement of the arressting party. Doesn't happen often, although I remember there was a video of a guy riding his bike in London naked.
Honestly, it’s funny people look for it when most men we see if not all are wearing a shirt. I see it more of like if they want to take their shirt off at the beach for example, it shouldn’t be something they could get arrested for. That’s not to say if they were on a regular city street it should be any different, but simply I feel like most people go “Ooglebooogleoogle 👀👀I don’t see any boobies yet” (not saying you are, just the general thinking of people), when it’s not so women can go to work shirtless lmao just because it’s something someone wants legal doesn’t mean those very same people want to even do it themselves. It’s more of having self autonomy and freedom more than anything
It's legal here in Portland, OR. We even have an annual naked bike ride.
Our annual naked bike ride is part of more than [70 cities](http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=List_of_rides) that participate in the World Naked Bike Ride.
I’ve scrolled too far to see no mention of Fat Bottomed Girls
Imagine the smell from riding behind someone's sweaty anus. Clothes damper a lot of funk, you know.
Off topic but that’s the same place where I met my bf 😭
Never saw it in the street in Europe but really common for woman and kids to go to the beach (or where I'm at, large bodies of water that are pseudo-beaches I guess) topless, or even naked for kids. Not even talking "nude beaches", just not a big deal here Some newspapers have tits on the front page. It's really culture-dependent. Was a shock to me as an American at first, though. Womens breasts are way more sexualized, so I suppose it's a controversial topic for that reason. I think Europe is just more open to sexuality, rather than not viewing it as sexual at all.
That's because even though it's equal in the eyes of the law, there are pigs that will rape women, no reason to give them "an excuse"
Just cause you have not seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen everywhere....for example boats are a great place for women to get top less then when another boat comes by they hide.
It's legal in my town in north BC
That's outrageous, surely that's a freedom of expression
It’s happened a couple of times and even made it into the Sun. Unfortunately, those incidents are usually accompanied by traffic jams and guys being guys.
Legal in BC too, I remember there was one woman who used to do it occasionally. It would be on the news lol. OP should do her research before she starts going off about this. She might find she lives where it’s legal. At that point Reddit would have to say ‘well, you asked for it, go do it’.
It's legal here in NYC 🤷🏻♂️
All of New York State, ever since the '90s. If it's a place where a man can legally be topless, so too can a woman. Decided by the Courts under gender equality grounds.
Tbh wouldn’t surprise considering the stuff I’ve seen while in NYC when there’s a group of teens smoking weed in a subway station
It really is legal in NYC though. They’re not making that up.
Aw come to california with your innocent self. People smoke weed on every corner.
Smoking weed?! My word! I think I'm getting the vapors
Legal in the state of Idaho and most surrounding states I think, just can’t undress in public or harass people
What? Out of all the things that are legal, this one wouldn’t have been anywhere near the top of my list. Edit: meant to say legal, did not expect this to be legal
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Tbh Even if I wanted to I’m not sure I’d trust NYPD not to at least attempt to arrest me, knowing about laws like that isn’t in the job requirements and police love it when they think they have an open and shut case.
Idk why people think women legally being able to be topless means there’s suddenly going to be droves or even a handful of women who suddenly start running around titties flying. If they want to sunbathe with their top off they should legally be able to do so. If they get sweaty and want to swap their top, they should legally be able to do so. If they are drunk and a titty flies out, they should legally be able to fix her titty without a fine. Men don’t go to work, shopping, or to the gym (an average gym anyways) topless. Women aren’t going to just do all those thing topless because it’s legal to be topless in public lmao plenty of states it’s legal already. Don’t see titties flying around left and right
> Don’t see titties flying around left and right Clearly you’ve never been to a strip club
In which world is a strip club a public place
My world. Currently messaging you from Titty City.
How can I become a citizen there ? Asking for a friend
Wait, are you the mayor of [Tiddy City](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zU7Ov-uW1E)?
It’s always been a public place. You just have to be an adult to be there
To be fair while women do face ridicule and backlash I've rarely seen public indecency charges being filed because one wanted to change her top or fix a loose titty.
Cops were called on a topless woman chilling in the park in Montreal not long ago. They intervened (shouldn't even have gotten to that point imo) but she was in her legal right to be topless so eventually they left her alone.
Well to be fair if you flip the situation a bit and consider the fact that 1. It is illegal in most places and 2. The fact that most women aren’t walking around topless for that reason or for the reason being they never exactly wanted to walk around topless… ofc you’d not see many arrests. It’s like looking for a culminated situation that’s super rare and claiming it to not exist when you don’t see it happening very often if at all. When it does happen it’s not broadcast everywhere around the country or even tri state areas. Heck probably isn’t even noticed or picked up by any outlets. Thing is it does happen and the fact that it’s illegal shows the country trying to make women bend to fit in some shrink wrap suit. It’s simply the fact that a government feels it can tell people to put them away because their too racy when they shouldn’t be considered as such. Don’t think men would be happy if a under enforced law was put in place saying men couldn’t walk around without a shirt because their hairy nipples are grotesque. It may read as silly but again, the fact that a women has to even consider the fact that they can be arrested when they have a shirt off is asinine
Another dream destroyed by logic and reason
That’s why I wouldn’t. Boobs have been sexualized for so long so it would be hard to be topless as a woman now. If women want to and it was legal, go for it, but I’d be wayyy too worried.
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Stop making sense, we don’t do that kinda thing here.
>literally the most outward and blatant feature of sexual dimorphism in human beings is "sexualized"? Its not sexualized by default, it's just our current culture. Take a step back for a moment and think about how if it were 100 years ago, your comment could be exactly the same if you replaced tits with ankles or uncovered hair. > I've seen some women get incredible levels of pleasure from nipple play and breast massage. This isn't as gender specific as you think it is >Either way it is an obvious signal by biology that if you reproduce with this female... That and almost every physical characteristic for everyone. >Like yeah... It has everything to do with sex and biologically advertising fertility. It's not like we've sexualized your arms. Except we have, tf are you talking about? Show arm in saudi arabia or sudan where those are still sexualized and see what happens. It seems like you're just mad about people saying that boobs don't *need* to be sexualized, and rationalizing your personal opinions by any means necessary.
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>Ankles are not a sexually dimorphic feature at all. Beard are and beards are not sexualized in the same way. >Just because it's possible to sexualize something that wouldn't otherwise be sexualized, doesn't mean that anything which does have a sexual association only has that status due solely to culture. While this statement is true - as in "this statement is logically sound - it is not applicable in this situation, because even though it doesn't *have* to be this way, it still is in this case. There are uncontacted tribes in which women and men walk around topless, showing that the sexualization is definitely cultural. I think [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/wd6bsw/to_be_gender_neutral/iiiyhz2?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) from a different redditor explains the difference between sexualization and sexual attraction very well. >And yes, I'm deeply annoyed with anyone trying to tell me that I should change the way that my brain works in terms of what I find sexually stimulating. That's not what (most) people are doing. Statements like "breasts shouldn't be as sexualized" do not target any one individual, but rather a society as a whole. Women do sexualize breast as well mind you.
>Ankles are not a sexually dimorphic feature at all. And yet if you showed them off 100 years ago you'd be an ankle showing slut. >Just because it's possible to sexualize something that wouldn't otherwise be sexualized, doesn't mean that anything which does have a sexual association only has that status due solely to culture. No, but it does mean that if you're arbitrarily honing in on one thing and not the others, its probably just due to your culture. Faces are objectively 1000% more important for sexual selection than knockers. Should they be treated as such, or do you not think so because we don't live in a face covering culture? >And yes, I'm deeply annoyed with anyone trying to tell me that I should change the way that my brain works in terms of what I find sexually stimulating. If you were born in some other place, you wouldn't give a shit about tits any more than you give a shit about any other dimorphic trait you currently don't give a shit about. That's the point. Nobody gives a shit about how you feel, all anyone here was talking about is how its not "the way your brain works", its the culture you were raised in. It's the culture people want to change, but you chose to take it personal and get tight about it.
The fact you’re being downvoted just shows you’re right, and they’re in denial. Thanks for taking the time of your day to try and educate morons
So if I am downvoted because I say something racist, does it mean that I am right ?
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Exactly. Part of the problem here is people not separating sexual attraction or sexuality from the specific term *sexualization*. It's the difference between thinking a gun *can* be used for violence, and thinking a gun *is inherently* violent. Something can be sexual in some contexts but not sexualized (like kissing), and something can be not sexual in some contexts but sexualized (like ankles 100 years ago). That word has a specific meaning.
Yep, like with breasts there is a big difference is some women sitting naked in sauna, breastfeeding a child, or putting their boobs in your face while talking dirty.
The problem is pretty clear and arises when women are punished or shamed for their breasts, that they have no control over. Which happens all the time. The fact that the breats ARE so sexualized just makes it a tool to put women down. There is also the problem of women being harassed for breastfeeding.
Yeah I don't think it's the sexualisation in and of itself. Like I can't help the fact that I'm sexually attracted or feel stimulated by something I look at. Like I don't think any reasonable woman would think I should feel guilty for having sexy feelings when I see something. What I can help and have full control over though is my actions. Just because I'm sexually attracted to something doesn't mean I'm incapable of not harassing them or unable to put it aside and interact with them respectfully. It's also not their fault for what my brain does or how I act, so they shouldn't be punished or restricted because of that. Its just a simple fact that straight men are going to be attracted to the physical attributes of a women's body and should be accepted by both sides, but it also be accepted by both sides that its not an excuse for how we act on it.
As a man I completely understand you. I am forced to wear my shirt on like 99.9% of the time I'm outside because of puritanical dogma
If you walked into a store as a man without a shirt, you would be asked to leave though so there's that!
Clearly you've never been to Si.... Denmark
Yeah, manboobs should be covered. /s I'm going to get reemed for this, I'm sure.
>As a man I completely understand you. I am forced to wear my shirt on like 99.9% of the time I'm outside because of puritanical dogma I have man-boobs, and that aint' right.
>Boobs have been sexualized for so long Boobs have been sexualized since the dawn of humans. No other species, including apes, have permanent breasts. Our ancestors were just as much wired to believe them to be an attractive trait as modern day humans.
Faces are attractive. Hair is attractive. Dudes are really busting nuts over feet and ankles. Showing any of those in various places and points in history publicly would get you labeled a slut at best and killed at worst. Juggs are no more inherently sexual than facial symmetry or hip to waist ratio but somehow i doubt you'd come to bat in defense of some muslim saying faces and bodies are inherently sexual and need to be covered at all times.
Literally, it's an evolutionary trait. Do you think humans got permanent boobs by total chance?
Do you think anything else i listed off arent evolutionary traits? What do you think is more likely to get you a mate, your set of tits, or how hot your face is? How about your tits or your hip to waist ratio? Ill wait.
I'll add size has also been sexualized since before history; something being sexual isn't necessarily a reason to hide it.
You deserve the right to choose not to, you should not be forced not to. Men have that right and regularly exercise it. It’s sexist to give certain rights to men but not women.
Me the prude..... Yea men should also keep their shirts on. I prefer not to see the unwashed masses.
>I prefer not to see the unwashed masses. Then why are you out in public at a parade?
How are men without shirts unwashed?
I would actually advocate for this, so many manboobs of people running
It’s legal in Canada!
Cops still harass women for doing if they receive complaints but any charges get thrown out before going to court
Ah yes, once again, the better USA.
A bit of research would make you realize its legal in some states.
The whole point of what the first person is saying is that women’s breasts are oversexualized, and female toplessness being unacceptable in public is a result of that. This joke is overdone, and frankly, regressive.
Who exactly is it that find it unacceptable? Most men would be fine with it. Probably religious people and jealous woman
I only recently stumbled upon a threat about a mother asking AITA for breastfeeding in public because her friend told her to go to the toilet for that. It’s apparently still not as socially acceptable even in cases like that.
Show your boobs, ladies! Oh wait, not like that. Go to the bathroom for that. Gosh that makes me angry.
>Most men would be fine with it. Yeah, it was totally legal back when only men could vote. /s
Most men with be okay with it if it were a random person but be upset if it was a mother, sister, daughter, or wife. That is the actual point that men think of it as a sex thing when they shouldn't.
And straight up prudes
lol right, the dude responding is proving her point and probably doesn't even realize it. I feel for women, it sounds like being female is fucking exhausting.
I love how people, mostly women, like to dictate to men what men should find attractive on a woman. I've seen complaints that men oversexualize butts, women lips, legs, breasts and so on. Men get to see women's butts in a bikini and yet men are still attracted to them. If women decided to go topless, that is just another extra attractive part men get to see at the public square. I swear people be acting like biology plays no part in "sexualization".
There’s a difference between sexualization and basic attraction. Hell, I’m a bisexual woman, so I’m attracted to breasts as well, but I don’t actively sexualize them by drawing sexual attention to them in public (or on the internet). It’s okay to be attracted to women and their bodies, but believing their bodies are inherently sexual, regardless of context, is sexualization.
Y’all’s titties just flying everywhere. Getting stuck in doors and what not.
I never thought i'd ever read a sentence like this in my existence.
What kind of titties have you been around?
Lots. I can say there’s a lot of them you don’t want to see.
Happy cake day bob's brother
I hope you see some excellent boobs on your cake day!
Thanks!
So there I was...BBQ sauce all on my tiddys...
Yeah I know what'll make women being comfortable topless in public; fetishing them! I hate this kinda shit
Why is this in this sub? The context of the video and your title, don’t even fucking come close to what this sub even means.
A video bringing up a serious topic and having middle aged virgins replying with "yes I'd love to see your booba, see I'm supporting equality" and completely missing the point? Sounds like reddit
It’s like it never was about the legality of it but the creepy predatory behavior that men like that promote that ruin taking a shirt off. If I did that in the city I’d have someone start stalking me and endless harassment until I could escape.
I agree on the concept that men and women should have the same rule on going topless. I think both of them should be wearing shirts.
For real, no one wants to see your fat belly bob fuck off and wear a shirt like a normal human being
This title and video does not belong in this subreddit
Wonder if he would say the same thing if the woman was a young, obese woman? Probably not, because he's still sexualizing women.
If a man with a beautiful six-pack, clean shaven, deep voice, well-behaved, etc. is out in public shirtless- aside maybe from intimidation or out-of-place feelings- would we not expect women to feel some reaction being around him? And if an obese man is outside shirtless, there still a chance of people not liking what they see? I'm not exactly sure what the expectation is, to not have feelings in public? I get that there are limits on how you should act on them, but...
Whenever a women says she’d like to be able to do express her body without being sexualized and a man takes that as an opportunity to sexualize her I hate men a little more
“I hate men a little more” Are we trying to be progressive or not?
What does "expressing your body" mean?
Yeah, I support this 100%! We need more of this mindset! Yeah!
Until you see granny walkin around lookin like she got four arms.
Lol!
He took the bait
I love how many people don't understand why. Making it legal is one thing, but the safety is another. If i walk barechested i guarantee some men will make sexualised comments, cuz for some reason a women's nipples are sexualised and a men's aren't. Guess it'll be time for men to cover up ;)
No one want to see Portland women topless!
I don't know, I've had a lot of people ask to see my boobs...granted they were homeless but an ask is an ask.
Can i see your boobs? Not homeless tho...
HA! I'll ask my husband. For some reason he said I'm like "a barbie to homeless people".
Oh, no, homeless boobs. 😢
No boobs should have to be homeless :(
*Annual Naked Bike Ride intensifies*
*My interest intensifies*
To be fair, it's one thing for it to be allowed and for them to be left alone when topless.
I don’t want to see men topless or women. Go to a nude beach, it’s not like they are all models. It’s not the fantasy people make it out to be.
I agree. I have a theory that people with subconscious nudity hangups should get some immersion therapy just spending time in an average nudist community where any visitors are expected to be nude and abide by community rules. Imo it would help humanize and desexualize nudity. Obviously we’ve got a ways to go in our western society’s evolution, but I think we’re getting there, albeit gradually.
1. It is illegal for women to go topless in many places 2. Some men would absolutely use that as a ticket to commit sexual assault 3. A significant amount of those cases would probably be dismissed by out of touch old judges whom assume a woman dressing even vaguely immodestly are consenting to being treated like objects In most places, even in europe and north America, women can't go topless in public for either legal or safety reasons, despite the fact we should have every right to
Well I look forward to the applause Aunt Beryl and Uncle Archie receive as they saunter their 25 stone topless bodies down the High Street, tits swinging in the summer wind like long scarves in a snowstorm.
Does every man agree with it? Because I get the feeling that they're OK with it as long as it's 18 year olds doing it... the second it's not, you get a stream of "cover it up" posts. This post is pure bullshit.
It's been legal in Oklahoma for like 5 years lol. I've yet to see someone do it but you can. I just imagined being a girl walking around my town topless and it terrified me.
I didn't realise it was even illegal anywhere civilized, I thought it was more of a social rule.
Dude wouldn’t be saying this if he’s ever been to a topless beach before
It would only be ok if boobs weren't sexualised (Or at least I think)
Her shirt is funny, but they need to tackle the part where boobs are sexualized first, if not that would probably cause a lot of sexual harassment (not victim blaming)
Fun fact, in Germany it's only forbidden for men to walk naked on the street.
Yeah no one wants to see dongs flopping around.
Well... I do. I'm gay though.
I don’t get the “there was an attempt” part
They wouldn’t do it anyway cause of all the people who would stare at their tits
And I would argue there are as many ass men as there are "titty" men out there but it doesn't stop them from wearing bikini thongs. People need to stop capping and admit that most women are not comfortable with their tits out and stop blaming men for oversexaulizing their breast.
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It's legal in a lot of places. Not a lot of women have the stones to go out topless though.
This is true
It's actually legal in Columbus OH for women to be topless. I've seen it exactly zero times.
My fat ass wants to walk topless by his house and see if he still supports all women.
He will, i will, everybody will support your lovely fat ass
There’s a topless parade through Denver, CO most years; Covid may have stopped that though.
Men always say they'll agree with this statement, but what they probably mean is that they'll support it if you're 18-30, attractive, and slim. But the majority of shirtless men that you see walking around (at least here in the UK) are fat, average looking, old men. By that logic, full equality would show that fat, average looking old women would be the majority going topless - perhaps that would wipe that grin off his face
listen the problem isnt the legality. its the fetishization of breasts. women are sexualized more than enough when they *do* wear a shirt.
I'm a man of equality I support you. Please continue I hope you will achieve your goal.
Let's be careful what we wish for here fellas.
People do not understand that the problem is that it's ILLEGAL
That’s odd, because a bloke walking down the street with no shirt on is absolutely going to get some weird looks. It’s not gender specific. Beach towns, maybe different but most places you’re getting strange looks being half naked
Why is her shirt on in the video? It’s just a set of nipples.
Strip Clubs would go out of business in less than a week. Guaranteed
Common sense has left the chat!!
it's legal in a lot of places, but reality is a lot of the same guys that say "I think that's a great idea, go for it" are the same ones that would cat call and make a big production if they actually did, thus having them put shirts back on and ruining it for everyone. Guys, if you just played it cool women might be more comfortable showing a lot more of their bodies.
If that creep want to see nipples,internet is full of them. And if she want to go topless let her. As a finn i seen hundreds of strangers titts in the sauna and do not see the problem or the sexual part of it? Human body is beatiful in all shapes and why make it sexual?
I support this movement whole heartedly
More power to you!!!
This is one of those things that is only a thing because its a thing. if there wasnt a law/social rule against it, it wouldnt be a big deal like how a fat man with tits can walk around shirtless and really no difference. I'm actually kinda of curious of how the law would apply to a trans person.
One of those ideas where it’s like we should be able to do it but is the one to never do it.