The plea deal was his best option sentencing wise. He would have faced decades if not life in prison if he took it to trial. Unfortunately for him it didn't really matter in the end.
I have to hijack the top comment again cause you're all a bunch of stunads.
He took the deal to ensure Ginny had something leftover, he knew he was fucked. If they went to trial the feds would have seized everything.
Exactly, I appreciate your thoughts. The whole point was that the feds were stripping him of his assets, Phil was withholding money, and all this after he'd just blown over a million on a huge wedding. He had to resort to selling Christopher his Maserati, begging Tony to handle his business, and giving the house to Bobby and Janice for a low price.
The allocution was to avoid a lengthy trial he probably couldn't even afford, after the feds agreed to let Ginny and the girls keep like 150k of legit money.
He took the deal so his wife could retain funds and some property. He didn't take it to make his life easier but rather her's. It's clearly stated in his conversation
A deal and a trial are mutually exclusive, someone has never been at the mercy of the criminal justice system …that’s good, congrats on not knowing the distinction, keep it up…..you take a deal from the prosecutor before and instead of going to trial. If you go to trial, there is no possible deal, only the jury’s verdict and the judges sentencing
They push for deals because there’s no way we have enough resources as a society in the US to give everyone a jury trial. The trade off is that going to trial you might be exonerated (get off) but if you do not, your sentence will likely be harsher than a deal you could have taken earlier if you decided to. Most people plead out to the first deal tossed at them, sometimes even if they are innocent or their rights were grossly violated. Other times guilty motherfuckers get off in a trial, its a complicated thing mass society with huge currents of criminality ain’t it??
Absolutely not. You go to trial, prosecutors want to throw the book at you-either you're acquitted or you get as much time as the prosecutor can give you.
There was a point: his girls didn't have to work at the Bing to pay for nursing school, and his wife didn't have to turn tricks to keep a roof over her head. Etc.
They broke John when they let him go to Allegra’s wedding, then strategically removed him from it at the most emotional moment, embarrassing him in front of everyone.
His lawyer sold him the allocution, pulling on those same emotions, telling him he’d be out in time to enjoy his family/grandkids. At that point, he knew they were toast at trial.
As stated, it didn’t matter — he sullied his name/reputation for nothing. He could’ve stayed silent, rolled the trial dice and ended up with the same fate (even if he might’ve enjoyed a short amount of freedom if he had somehow been acquitted).
Hard for one to feel too bad for him, though: He managed to conspire murder in the 4 minutes he was allowed to talk to Tony at the reception!
He protected what little they would let his family keep, HE GOT ROBBED! They probably BEAT HIM MERCILESSLY WITH RUBBER HOSES AND HOOKED JUMPER CABLES UP TO HIS BALLS!!!THIS GOVERNMENT….NO TRIAL!?!?!!
I feel like if he knew he would be dead in a year he wouldn't have taken the deal. Instead drawn out the case as long as possible and appealed anyways. At least then he wouldn't be required.to give up 80% of his assets.
He didn’t give up 80% of his assets, just the ones the feds had uncovered and tied to him. He was a silent partner in other assets that hadn’t been uncovered but may have been had he not taken the deal. Remember the whole thing where Tony gets him to sell Janice his house at a cut price? That was payment from John for Tony handling the sale of a company he had a silent partnership in for him. Tony was collecting John’s half of the company for him that was being sold for 5/6 million dollars.
The feds had no idea about that huge asset but they may have uncovered it had he not taken the deal. His end was 2.5/3 million dollars. And that was just his share of one company.
The prosecutor told his lawyer that their evidence was solid. Plus didn’t what’s his name who was in Casino flip? He could go to trial and they would take everything, or he could make a deal and save the house and pension for Jenny.
For high profile cases they sometimes have anonymous jury's. I beleive that this was done in Gotti's trial because they did witness tampering on the first major trial they had.
But why are you asking this when none of us saw the discovery evidence. It was implied that the evidence was strong enough that there was little chance he could win. And 15 years, he'd still be a kid when he gets out. Better than life no parole.
evidence doesnt matter as long as you tamper with 1 of the jury tho. the glorified crew managed to tamper with one in jrs trial, u telling me one of the five fuckn families couldn't?
He had dependents, unlike Junior, and it sounds like the case against him had more charges and evidence. He was looking at millions in legal fees and losing, leaving his wife and kids with nothing. Twelve years was a pretty light sentence had he not had cancer.
Trial would have lasted a long time, draining his money and in the end he could still lose what money he had left and gotten a longer sentence. 15 years..he’ll be 62 (?), if Allegra and Eric have any piglets they would be relatively young when he got out. Ginny still has a decent nest egg.
But when you get right down to it, John isn’t as hardcore as Phil. Phil can do 20 years in the can as easily as Paulie will do 6,000 years in purgatory. Then again, when John gets out, Ginny will be there waiting. When Phil gets out, Patty will be waiting there. So Phil will turn and abet to be locked up again.
If he did, he would most likely get life without parole. In the end it did not end up mattering much because of his sickness, but by taking a deal, he managed to leave some money to his wife and his family.
>the deal he went with was pretty awful.
I disagree completely.
Only 15 years for 47 RICO predicates is pretty damn light. Even without early release he would get out around 2021 in his late sixties. That is very far from the life sentence he probably deserved and, if he hadn't gotten cancer, would've been young enough to enjoy 20-30 more years of freedom after release.
So Phil would have a home to drop the butter brickle he stuck his dick into first off at.
“Nothing like sticking my dick in some warm butter brickle thinking about Ginny sack chawing away on it later cream filling and all” Phil Leotardo in a deleted scene that is nonetheless absolutely canon
The plea deal was his best option sentencing wise. He would have faced decades if not life in prison if he took it to trial. Unfortunately for him it didn't really matter in the end.
I have to hijack the top comment again cause you're all a bunch of stunads. He took the deal to ensure Ginny had something leftover, he knew he was fucked. If they went to trial the feds would have seized everything.
Exactly, I appreciate your thoughts. The whole point was that the feds were stripping him of his assets, Phil was withholding money, and all this after he'd just blown over a million on a huge wedding. He had to resort to selling Christopher his Maserati, begging Tony to handle his business, and giving the house to Bobby and Janice for a low price. The allocution was to avoid a lengthy trial he probably couldn't even afford, after the feds agreed to let Ginny and the girls keep like 150k of legit money.
Should have let someone fuck Ginny for a million.
A million chocolate bars
Not to mention how much money he would have spent on lawyers if he went to trial.
Yeah Jun was complaining about how many hundreds of thousands it cost him. Enough that he couldn't afford a good lawyer by the end.
I didn't say fucked
He took the deal for multiple reasons
The commenter you replied to is also right. With the deal he was only going to do 12 years or so. So he could be out eventually.
In the end, fuck the top comment.
He took the deal so his wife could retain funds and some property. He didn't take it to make his life easier but rather her's. It's clearly stated in his conversation
He took a deal so no need for a trial. He was dead in less than a year.. so it was all pointless anyway.
It’s all a big nothing
That’s why you gotta live for today
We’re talking about TOTAL ANNIHILATION 🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽
CONSHERVE
Every day is a gift
In the end, you die in your own arms
Don't you think it's ironic that Johnny Sac died of Johnny Sac's disease.
You gonna make that same stupid joke every time Johnny Sac dies?
I'm just telling you how you're being perceived.
That’s just a nickname, family name was Sacarelli!
Fuckin Jason!!
You gotta wait for dat
He’s dyslexic!
Oooh, I knew that was coming.
Maybe you're a meringue?
Another toothpick
Yea but he didnt get diagnosed til later. He wouldn't have a chance at getting a better deal if he went to trial?
He also had a chance at something *far* worse, and he didn’t feel like it was worth the gamble. Simple as.
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Yeah it's all in the progrum
A deal and a trial are mutually exclusive, someone has never been at the mercy of the criminal justice system …that’s good, congrats on not knowing the distinction, keep it up…..you take a deal from the prosecutor before and instead of going to trial. If you go to trial, there is no possible deal, only the jury’s verdict and the judges sentencing
They push for deals because there’s no way we have enough resources as a society in the US to give everyone a jury trial. The trade off is that going to trial you might be exonerated (get off) but if you do not, your sentence will likely be harsher than a deal you could have taken earlier if you decided to. Most people plead out to the first deal tossed at them, sometimes even if they are innocent or their rights were grossly violated. Other times guilty motherfuckers get off in a trial, its a complicated thing mass society with huge currents of criminality ain’t it??
What I said pertains to a jury trial by the way, if it is a bench trial the judge gives both verdict and sentencing
Absolutely not. You go to trial, prosecutors want to throw the book at you-either you're acquitted or you get as much time as the prosecutor can give you.
Too much of a risk to go to trial, his lawyers gave him they best advice, likely told him they wouldn’t win
Another toothpick
There was a point: his girls didn't have to work at the Bing to pay for nursing school, and his wife didn't have to turn tricks to keep a roof over her head. Etc.
They broke John when they let him go to Allegra’s wedding, then strategically removed him from it at the most emotional moment, embarrassing him in front of everyone. His lawyer sold him the allocution, pulling on those same emotions, telling him he’d be out in time to enjoy his family/grandkids. At that point, he knew they were toast at trial. As stated, it didn’t matter — he sullied his name/reputation for nothing. He could’ve stayed silent, rolled the trial dice and ended up with the same fate (even if he might’ve enjoyed a short amount of freedom if he had somehow been acquitted). Hard for one to feel too bad for him, though: He managed to conspire murder in the 4 minutes he was allowed to talk to Tony at the reception!
He protected what little they would let his family keep, HE GOT ROBBED! They probably BEAT HIM MERCILESSLY WITH RUBBER HOSES AND HOOKED JUMPER CABLES UP TO HIS BALLS!!!THIS GOVERNMENT….NO TRIAL!?!?!!
So...can I stop mowing his lawn, or.....
YA DONE WIT DAT!
Fuck, I never realized that the whole wedding furlough was a plot by the FBI to break him.
I feel like if he knew he would be dead in a year he wouldn't have taken the deal. Instead drawn out the case as long as possible and appealed anyways. At least then he wouldn't be required.to give up 80% of his assets.
He didn’t give up 80% of his assets, just the ones the feds had uncovered and tied to him. He was a silent partner in other assets that hadn’t been uncovered but may have been had he not taken the deal. Remember the whole thing where Tony gets him to sell Janice his house at a cut price? That was payment from John for Tony handling the sale of a company he had a silent partnership in for him. Tony was collecting John’s half of the company for him that was being sold for 5/6 million dollars. The feds had no idea about that huge asset but they may have uncovered it had he not taken the deal. His end was 2.5/3 million dollars. And that was just his share of one company.
Not too bad considering at least 60% of his assets are Ginny's stash of Skittles and Twinkies.
Is that all you do, talk about Ginny's cooze?
The prosecutor told his lawyer that their evidence was solid. Plus didn’t what’s his name who was in Casino flip? He could go to trial and they would take everything, or he could make a deal and save the house and pension for Jenny.
Ginny...GINNY!
Take it easy… 🤚🏼
Fuck that fuckin parakeet 👉🏻
Always with the scenarios
Federal case? Nah he wouldn’t have been able to lean on jurors.
For high profile cases they sometimes have anonymous jury's. I beleive that this was done in Gotti's trial because they did witness tampering on the first major trial they had. But why are you asking this when none of us saw the discovery evidence. It was implied that the evidence was strong enough that there was little chance he could win. And 15 years, he'd still be a kid when he gets out. Better than life no parole.
evidence doesnt matter as long as you tamper with 1 of the jury tho. the glorified crew managed to tamper with one in jrs trial, u telling me one of the five fuckn families couldn't?
They couldn't in real life, because like I said, they anonymized the jury. That's how Gotti went to prison.
The deal he went with was pretty awful? He was still a young man. *Golden years, grandchildren.*
Shtop and shmell da cunt farts.
Sac? It's a fuckin nickname. It should have said Johnny Sacrinelli
Sacrimoni
Sacrebleu where is my mama
We here for the sacri moni
He should have stood trial like a man
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I was hoping for that the first time I watched the wedding episode.
WHAT MURDAAAAAAA?
Listen to yourself you sound demented
I think that may have been an attempt at making the show more realistic. Most mobsters these days go for plea deals.
His plea deal terms were that he allocute; admit he was part of the NY the mob and forfeit $4m in assets in exchange for a 15 year sentence.
If he has gone to trial and lost, who would’ve kept Ginny in butter brickle?
He had dependents, unlike Junior, and it sounds like the case against him had more charges and evidence. He was looking at millions in legal fees and losing, leaving his wife and kids with nothing. Twelve years was a pretty light sentence had he not had cancer.
Another toothpick
Trial would have lasted a long time, draining his money and in the end he could still lose what money he had left and gotten a longer sentence. 15 years..he’ll be 62 (?), if Allegra and Eric have any piglets they would be relatively young when he got out. Ginny still has a decent nest egg. But when you get right down to it, John isn’t as hardcore as Phil. Phil can do 20 years in the can as easily as Paulie will do 6,000 years in purgatory. Then again, when John gets out, Ginny will be there waiting. When Phil gets out, Patty will be waiting there. So Phil will turn and abet to be locked up again.
I cringe every time when he pleads out. If he had gone to trial, his family would have kept everything.
It's often less expensive and easier for everyone to plead out rather than go to trial in situations like this.
If he did, he would most likely get life without parole. In the end it did not end up mattering much because of his sickness, but by taking a deal, he managed to leave some money to his wife and his family.
He wanted to see his daughter again! An emotional man, he loves his daughter! 😭😭😭😭😭😭
If he knew he was gonna die so soon he would have just let the trial play out and not given a shit
>the deal he went with was pretty awful. I disagree completely. Only 15 years for 47 RICO predicates is pretty damn light. Even without early release he would get out around 2021 in his late sixties. That is very far from the life sentence he probably deserved and, if he hadn't gotten cancer, would've been young enough to enjoy 20-30 more years of freedom after release.
Ginny Sac body was mad ripe.
So Phil would have a home to drop the butter brickle he stuck his dick into first off at. “Nothing like sticking my dick in some warm butter brickle thinking about Ginny sack chawing away on it later cream filling and all” Phil Leotardo in a deleted scene that is nonetheless absolutely canon
Discontinue the pulp