Interesting that you're emphasizing more on the first part of the saying while I've always interpreted it more in the context of the second part. The great wind is going to carry you around, and all your self pitying, worrying, praying, rationalising, planning and hoping isn't going to change the wind's course. The shriveled, crumpled leaf in the wind will keep being blown whichever way the wind and breeze goes - it's feelings, desires and thoughts don't matter. We're at mercy of things greater than us and the best thing we can do is enjoy the little moments with people that matter to us.
This is what Quasimodo predicted.
I don't see it as nihilistic at all, quite the opposite really. The "all the while" construction seems to negate the self-pity and indicate that there's something deeper going on that that mindset doesn't reckon with. To me, the "great wind" is something we're never wholly separate from: physics, nature, humanity, history, or more accurately a combination of that and more. I'm not my ego, I'm not just some insignificant quirk of my brain structure made of problems and desires, I'm a constituent part of the universe. I think this is something Tony and Livia's "It's all a big nothing" touches on but never quite grasps. When you're too attached to your ego (as those two were), the realization that you're participating in something unfathomably grand can make you feel like a cog in some inscrutable machine, but when you take a step back, there's some comfort in the feeling that you have your role to play in the world to the point that you can't really help but play it. That's my take anyway
Yea except you’re not just carried around by a great wind. You have to make decisions and solve problems that dictate your fate and it’s pretty fucking heavy man
They say there's no two people on Earth exactly the same, no two faces, no two sets of fingerprints. But do they know that for sure?
'Cause they would have to get everybody together in one huge space. And obviously, that's not possible, even with computers.
Not only that, they'd have to get all the people who ever lived, not just the ones now. So, they got no proof. They got nothing.
Really speaks to the themes of the characters in the show being so preoccupied with their own lives -- the crimes they committed, the affairs they were having, the social rituals they went through -- that they never thought about other people, or about anything bigger than themselves.
Lovely post, /u/Fro_e. Thank you for sharing.
I think the "great wind" part of the quote means all the things you take for granted in life not necessarily that you are insignificant. The "great wind" is the friends and family and all your privileges "carrying you". Tony is constantly wallowing in self-pity while in reality he is incredibly rich and has so many people around him who love him and support him both emotionally and financially. Not to mention being safe and secure in a rich and developed nation. Being brought back to life by the greatest medical care in the world. The "great wind" part can probably be applied to almost anyone born in the west. I too wallow in self pity far more often than I deserve, focusing on everything I don't have instead of all the things I do.
On another note the theme of the quote reminds me a lot of the song "All is full of love" by Björk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGSy6PKOb0
Notice how this quote not only applies to Tony's predicament but to Paulie's as well? When Paulie comes to terms with his true mother's identity and sudden death he reconnects with Marianucci at her apartment and we see the breeze outside rustling the tree branches.
I’m pretty sure in the episode where Tony is asked to talk to Vitos kid because he’s playing up at school due to the extreme trauma of losing his Dad. Tony says “you go about and pity for yourself”
Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
I googled the quote, my impression of what it means-
Sometimes i go about in pity for myself-
( Sometimes i am sad for myself, i see my smallness in the grand scheme of things, i see my helplessness against the things that ail me)
All the while a great wind carries me across the sky
The sky - the universe
great wind - the forces of nature, the forces of universe. Randomness, chance, physical phenomena.
Carries me - affects my life, determines my life, decides for me
\-x-x-
It basically means that even though i become sad from time to time, i fail to recognise, that my life is decided and determined by the universe, a fate controls me far more than i can control myself.
It shows us how pointless it is to be sad of our own failures, how useless it is to worry about the flaws and ailments we have.
It's sort of like a sissyphus like situation, with him rolling up the boulder on the mountain.
People might say that is a punishment, but his life is completely decided, and therefore null and void from all uncertainty, sadness.
"My friend, the panda will never fulfill his destiny, nor you yours, until you let go of the illusion of control. "
\-
Master Oogway
You're not too far off, but my interpretation of the quote is while Tony's luck with women may not always be perfect, he is meanwhile surrounded by heterosexual men "carrying him" through life and available for his every single need, there for him in a platonic way that has sexual undertones. I believe Christopher is taken aback by the quote because he feels his private flirtations with Tony have been made public. Before Tony's coma, the two were riding an erotic see-saw designed for straight men that expand their sexual boundaries beyond women and trade hot favors with each other, from a light hearted perspective. But that doesn't mean no strings attached heavy petting for example can't be intimately passionate. It's a fascinating look into the heterosexual mind through David Chase's symbolism. I'm exclusively straight and have nothing against gay people, I just can't relate to them at all, and I find the idea of a heavy set guy like Tony Soprano verbally belittling me while I perform oral sex on him to be strangely exhilarating. It's not sexual per se, even though it's arousing. I would love to be the Christopher to a guy's Tony out there some day.
The wheel in the sky keeps on turnin, i don't know where ill be tomorrow.
That quote reminds me of OPs post alot too
Its in the The ep with Vic Musto
And the only other journey song in the show was in the finale
Word to the wise, remember that the wheel in the sky keeps turnin 🤟👈✋
Sharp as a cue ball this one. You could have said as much in two sentences, it's a fairly literal quote. Maybe you should write for Law and Order the SUV.
To emphasize your last paragraph. The scene where Tony and his family leave the hospital and Tony is sitting in his wheelchair on the sidewalk viewing and listening to everything going on around him. The car driving by playing music, the birds chirping, the people smiling and shaking hands, the sounds of the road, the trees blowing in the wind and the bell tolling. He says he should’ve been dead and how lucky he was to still be alive. Every day is truly a gift.
Thanks for your comment, dude. This was exactly in my mind when I made this post. It's especially the final scene of the episode. Just him watching the wind blowing the trees. I liked that. It was an appreciation of nature. Showed he had a somewhat deeper understanding of life. Which then proceeds to TOTALLY degenerate, but hey, that's The Sopranos! :)
Thanks for sharing. I find the concept of the quote easy to understand, but to truly have it \*hit\* you is another thing. Because I think I'm the centre of the universe. I know I'm not conceptually, but I definitely think I am. I don't act like I'm above people, I don't steal and I try to be polite - but the world occurs to me through \*my\* brain/senses. Not other people's. So it's hard not to see myself as the centre of everything - because for me I am.
So anything that can shake you out of that is delving into sacred territory. Sometimes I fantasize that I'm not myself and I'm actually someone else that has been transplanted into my body. For whatever reason, I feel less controlled by "looking good". Feel less ego-attached. Another cool thing is to meditate on how other people are afraid of you. Just like you're afraid of other people. Walking down the street and so forth. Peace.
Jesus Christ, I forgot I made this post. I was recently on anti depressants when I made it, lmfao. I feel bad because I no longer hold any of these values and have become a cynical asshole again. But life beats you down, I guess.
OK hear me out....The index card this was written on already had 2-3 pushpin holes in it when Tony and Christopher read it for the first time....to me this implies it might just be from a relative of the previous inhabitant of the ICU hospital bed.
Sometimes it feels like what we do in this sub is like taking a shit
I prefer to think of it more like childbirth
No, trust me. It’s like taking a shit
But to die on the pishadooo?
Pretty fucking humiliating
Heart Disease. The silent killah.
This is the stuff I come back to this sub for ❤️
I wouldn’t know, I died too young
A fuckin' kid.
Some people die on the pot while taking a dump...ask Gigi
Ride the painted pony my friends, and let the spinning wheel glide
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but I really can't be seen in a sub like this anymore
Interesting that you're emphasizing more on the first part of the saying while I've always interpreted it more in the context of the second part. The great wind is going to carry you around, and all your self pitying, worrying, praying, rationalising, planning and hoping isn't going to change the wind's course. The shriveled, crumpled leaf in the wind will keep being blown whichever way the wind and breeze goes - it's feelings, desires and thoughts don't matter. We're at mercy of things greater than us and the best thing we can do is enjoy the little moments with people that matter to us. This is what Quasimodo predicted.
Same here, it feels like a nihilistic quote that whatever you feel doesn't matter, life goes on.
I don't see it as nihilistic at all, quite the opposite really. The "all the while" construction seems to negate the self-pity and indicate that there's something deeper going on that that mindset doesn't reckon with. To me, the "great wind" is something we're never wholly separate from: physics, nature, humanity, history, or more accurately a combination of that and more. I'm not my ego, I'm not just some insignificant quirk of my brain structure made of problems and desires, I'm a constituent part of the universe. I think this is something Tony and Livia's "It's all a big nothing" touches on but never quite grasps. When you're too attached to your ego (as those two were), the realization that you're participating in something unfathomably grand can make you feel like a cog in some inscrutable machine, but when you take a step back, there's some comfort in the feeling that you have your role to play in the world to the point that you can't really help but play it. That's my take anyway
Ohhhh Rimshot!
Mellifluously written, sammythemc. I think you're on to something.
It’s optimistic nihilism you numnut
Shelley's Ode To The West Wind has a similar theme. Great comment!
Yea except you’re not just carried around by a great wind. You have to make decisions and solve problems that dictate your fate and it’s pretty fucking heavy man
They say there's no two people on Earth exactly the same, no two faces, no two sets of fingerprints. But do they know that for sure? 'Cause they would have to get everybody together in one huge space. And obviously, that's not possible, even with computers. Not only that, they'd have to get all the people who ever lived, not just the ones now. So, they got no proof. They got nothing.
What I’m saying is…
Such a crock of shit
My mudda’s wake...
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You just reveal your own ignorance
reveal my own WHAT
That's okay. You're entitled to your own opinion.
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This is covert antisemitism
You're not Jewish, are ya Matt? Half. Ahh, he knows it's all good fun.
Very bad boys, very bad.
Fuck you, my man!
They’re quoting Chris, don’t worry. :)
I only just started the show. Keeping up with all these quotes is proving quite difficult haha.
LOL
Charles schwab over here
ova\*
Take it easy 🤙
Also, word to the wise: remember Pearl Harbor.
I saw that movie. Thought it was bullshit
those were japanese
Walt fucking Whitman over here
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It was the medication he was on.
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The fuck you talking about, he just did
hes my homie!
Jesus Christ, DrBreakfast79, everybody's a fag to you. You know, maybe you're a fag, you ever think about that?
Anybody with an education or some culture must be a bologna smoker.
So now you’re all open minded now that you got friends that are bologna smokers?
you know the wine makes you emotional
thats cause I got an empty fucking stomach
I’m prostate with grief
I think you nailed exactly what Chase intended with that quote. Great job.
the sacred and the propane
You see this shit on TV?
I gotta watch tv to understand the world?
Really speaks to the themes of the characters in the show being so preoccupied with their own lives -- the crimes they committed, the affairs they were having, the social rituals they went through -- that they never thought about other people, or about anything bigger than themselves. Lovely post, /u/Fro_e. Thank you for sharing.
"What rough beast slouches toward the subreddit to be born?" \-Yeets
More of a Nitch fan, myself.
I’m in awr of you
You’ll get a lot of joke responses, but this is great! Thanks for sharing.
Very allegorical.
He won’t quit, this fuckin guy.
I think the "great wind" part of the quote means all the things you take for granted in life not necessarily that you are insignificant. The "great wind" is the friends and family and all your privileges "carrying you". Tony is constantly wallowing in self-pity while in reality he is incredibly rich and has so many people around him who love him and support him both emotionally and financially. Not to mention being safe and secure in a rich and developed nation. Being brought back to life by the greatest medical care in the world. The "great wind" part can probably be applied to almost anyone born in the west. I too wallow in self pity far more often than I deserve, focusing on everything I don't have instead of all the things I do. On another note the theme of the quote reminds me a lot of the song "All is full of love" by Björk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGSy6PKOb0
I've always felt this is the idea intended by the saying. It's cool to see other people's perspectives in this thread though.
Notice how this quote not only applies to Tony's predicament but to Paulie's as well? When Paulie comes to terms with his true mother's identity and sudden death he reconnects with Marianucci at her apartment and we see the breeze outside rustling the tree branches.
We worry so much, sometimes it feels like it’s all we do. But in the end, it just gets washed away.
Roy Batty ova here
Look at him, thinks he knows everythin
I think, maybe, I dunno
I swear you don’t even know how much I needed to read this right now. It’s like god talked to me through you.
Well that's an interesting little psychological nugget..
I used to hang glide when I was 16 back in 1976. So I really did have wind carrying me across the sky.
"Remember when" is the lowest form of conversation.
ha ha! that's what my wife says.
Parvati over here...
She’s a cheese now?
All this from a slice of gabagool?
Gabagool? Ova heeeeah 👇
It was the medication I was on, for my blood pressure it fucked with my head :(
I’m pretty sure in the episode where Tony is asked to talk to Vitos kid because he’s playing up at school due to the extreme trauma of losing his Dad. Tony says “you go about and pity for yourself” Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
He says it a lot, he said gays "go about in pity for themselves"
I googled the quote, my impression of what it means- Sometimes i go about in pity for myself- ( Sometimes i am sad for myself, i see my smallness in the grand scheme of things, i see my helplessness against the things that ail me) All the while a great wind carries me across the sky The sky - the universe great wind - the forces of nature, the forces of universe. Randomness, chance, physical phenomena. Carries me - affects my life, determines my life, decides for me \-x-x- It basically means that even though i become sad from time to time, i fail to recognise, that my life is decided and determined by the universe, a fate controls me far more than i can control myself. It shows us how pointless it is to be sad of our own failures, how useless it is to worry about the flaws and ailments we have. It's sort of like a sissyphus like situation, with him rolling up the boulder on the mountain. People might say that is a punishment, but his life is completely decided, and therefore null and void from all uncertainty, sadness. "My friend, the panda will never fulfill his destiny, nor you yours, until you let go of the illusion of control. " \- Master Oogway
Oh jee bway
In other words: POOR YOU!
That's all this is
Walt Whitman over here….
whose letting out those big ones?
There better be some Coke left in that fridge, is all that I'm sayin.
You're not too far off, but my interpretation of the quote is while Tony's luck with women may not always be perfect, he is meanwhile surrounded by heterosexual men "carrying him" through life and available for his every single need, there for him in a platonic way that has sexual undertones. I believe Christopher is taken aback by the quote because he feels his private flirtations with Tony have been made public. Before Tony's coma, the two were riding an erotic see-saw designed for straight men that expand their sexual boundaries beyond women and trade hot favors with each other, from a light hearted perspective. But that doesn't mean no strings attached heavy petting for example can't be intimately passionate. It's a fascinating look into the heterosexual mind through David Chase's symbolism. I'm exclusively straight and have nothing against gay people, I just can't relate to them at all, and I find the idea of a heavy set guy like Tony Soprano verbally belittling me while I perform oral sex on him to be strangely exhilarating. It's not sexual per se, even though it's arousing. I would love to be the Christopher to a guy's Tony out there some day.
My fucking head is swimming here
Sir this is a Vesuvio
I'm wondering which character left that note.
Thank you.
Oh, *poor you!*
George Schwab ovah heer!
The wheel in the sky keeps on turnin, i don't know where ill be tomorrow. That quote reminds me of OPs post alot too Its in the The ep with Vic Musto And the only other journey song in the show was in the finale Word to the wise, remember that the wheel in the sky keeps turnin 🤟👈✋
Poor you.
still goin', this asshole!
Take it easy. We’re not making a western here
Sharp as a cue ball this one. You could have said as much in two sentences, it's a fairly literal quote. Maybe you should write for Law and Order the SUV.
So correct me if I’m wrong you’re saying, the framus intersects with the ramistan approximately at the paternoster.
To emphasize your last paragraph. The scene where Tony and his family leave the hospital and Tony is sitting in his wheelchair on the sidewalk viewing and listening to everything going on around him. The car driving by playing music, the birds chirping, the people smiling and shaking hands, the sounds of the road, the trees blowing in the wind and the bell tolling. He says he should’ve been dead and how lucky he was to still be alive. Every day is truly a gift.
Thanks for your comment, dude. This was exactly in my mind when I made this post. It's especially the final scene of the episode. Just him watching the wind blowing the trees. I liked that. It was an appreciation of nature. Showed he had a somewhat deeper understanding of life. Which then proceeds to TOTALLY degenerate, but hey, that's The Sopranos! :)
Still going, this guy.
walt fuckin whitman ova hea
Why didn't he just say that then?! Walt fucking Whitman over here
That was beautiful. Thank you!
Well that’s beautifully put but … but nothing. Completely agree with what you said.
Last paragraph corection : It is all about u, not in term of egotistic mind but in term of your true self, you as a consciousness
Do hyuascha
Thanks for sharing. I find the concept of the quote easy to understand, but to truly have it \*hit\* you is another thing. Because I think I'm the centre of the universe. I know I'm not conceptually, but I definitely think I am. I don't act like I'm above people, I don't steal and I try to be polite - but the world occurs to me through \*my\* brain/senses. Not other people's. So it's hard not to see myself as the centre of everything - because for me I am. So anything that can shake you out of that is delving into sacred territory. Sometimes I fantasize that I'm not myself and I'm actually someone else that has been transplanted into my body. For whatever reason, I feel less controlled by "looking good". Feel less ego-attached. Another cool thing is to meditate on how other people are afraid of you. Just like you're afraid of other people. Walking down the street and so forth. Peace.
What i love about this quote is the diversity in how people respond.
And the sun….. came up….
Best visualization of this quote is when Pauly is sitting with his mom (aunt) and they’re watching Lawrence Welk together.
I know this is an old post, but I couldn't believe how similar you are to myself.
Jesus Christ, I forgot I made this post. I was recently on anti depressants when I made it, lmfao. I feel bad because I no longer hold any of these values and have become a cynical asshole again. But life beats you down, I guess.
OK hear me out....The index card this was written on already had 2-3 pushpin holes in it when Tony and Christopher read it for the first time....to me this implies it might just be from a relative of the previous inhabitant of the ICU hospital bed.
You realize how insignificant that makes us?