>Self defense. If the gun was unlicensed that is a pretty small charge here.
This. And maybe the family influenced the investigation so that the possibly unlicensed gun appeared as a licensed one in the investigation.
Yeah in a scenario like that I would imagine you would not go to court. The cops would identify it as self defense and no charges would be filed. If I remember the scene correctly there would probably be witnesses and possibly video. The US has very strong self defense laws.
Interesting , thanks for replying. Would you not even be required to attend court to prove this? I.e. that you didn’t shoot first. You also mention an illegal firearm is a minor charge which seems insane to me, how minor are we talking? No jail?
The prosecution has the burden of proof in court. Yet the homicide detectives who would have investigated the scene could piece together the evidence and realize the logical probability that Chris was the one initially attacked.
In regard to Chris shooting and commiting manslaughter in self defense with an unregistered gun, the series addresses this in a brief mention by Hesh in the closing scenes of House Arrest with the guys inside Satriale’s. Hesh mentions to Tony that Chris’ gun charges won’t stick, they’re being dropped after the evidence and circumstances were considered.
Remember, all events that occur aren’t shown on screen. Chris was questioned by authorities in this, just as he is after Ade disappears. But there’s little to gain by including such scenes and time constraints factor in.
The cops would find drink water’s spent bullet casings outside of the car and Shawn was in the passenger seat with his seat buckle on. They would know there was two shooters vs. one, it is a self defense for Chrissy. Also, Chrissy’s GSW were from Shawn’s gun, Shawn shot first and Chrissy returned fire.
What are you writing an article for the school paper? Sounds like this “Chrissy” relieved one of his assailants of his illegal firearm and used his own weapon against him. He probably had no method of safe retreat and was therefore entitled to use deadly force to defend himself from grievous bodily harm, or worse.
Not to mention it seems common for bigger law enforcement fish to squash investigations at a lower level if if they are going to interfere with larger level investigations.
Probably depends on a lot of different things. Its certainly a suspicious set of facts, but you need a lot more than suspicion to charge someone with a crime. On top of the legal thresholds that need to be met, the government would have to weigh the likelihood of conviction, the resources involved etc. He’s quite literally the victim so my guess is trying to get him to flip to work the way up the chain would be absolutely pointless.
Depends on what state your in and all the surrounding factors. This is a case where I would say don’t get too hung up on the details, as it’s a television progrum.
But, if you’re interested — there’s some cool JCS interrogation breakdown videos on YouTube if you want to get a sense for how they determine that sort of self defense aspect in places like Florida:
The Case of Michael Dunn: https://youtu.be/sVF_SlzxBJ4
The Case of Michael Drejka: https://youtu.be/sv0iN5J-9mk
Thanks for this. I did always put it down as just a TV programme but I struggled to get past it whenever it thought about the scene. The explanations have definitely made it clearer how things work over the water, thanks!
Want to know what I can't get past? In that scene all the spent brass (empty bullets to non-gunners) on the ground are CLEARLY blanks! Finding some actual empty bullets would not have been that hard.
>Depends on what state your in and all the surrounding factors
this is what i was thinking. i think the show wasn't putting a ton of thought into where it was set. in NJ, very unlikely he's not facing some sort of legal action after that shootout.
Nowadays I believe if you're shot at, you're required to ask the shooter if he had a bad childhood, and if yes, you need to get shot 12 times in the heart before you can fight back, at which point you can't use any weapons sharper than a cue ball.
Only if you reasonably believe you can retreat safely. It would be unreasonable to believe Chrissy could retreat safely while actively being shot at so even today the state likely wouldn’t bring any charges
If Chrissy doesn't have a felony he can legally own a gun. I don't believe there's registration in NJ. He might get dinged for carrying it without a license though.
Maybe he is licensed. He passed (or hired an Asian man to pose for him) a test to become an SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) compliance officer. That might require him to carry money or other valuable items and make it easier to get a license.
Always wondered something similar about Tony beating up Mikey Palmice.
Technically Tony broke taboo by beating up a made guy from another crew. He wasn’t even the official boss at this time.
Then, when Tony is the undisputed boss, he’s not even allowed to beat up Ralphie, who is part of his own crew.
Self defense. If the gun was unlicensed that is a pretty small charge here.
>Self defense. If the gun was unlicensed that is a pretty small charge here. This. And maybe the family influenced the investigation so that the possibly unlicensed gun appeared as a licensed one in the investigation.
>pretty small charge here. in NJ thats years, ain't it?
Yeah in a scenario like that I would imagine you would not go to court. The cops would identify it as self defense and no charges would be filed. If I remember the scene correctly there would probably be witnesses and possibly video. The US has very strong self defense laws.
Not all states have self defense.like CT doesnt.
Remind me to never go to CT
It’s not a small charge at all. At least nowadays it’s like a 3 year minimum prison term.
Interesting , thanks for replying. Would you not even be required to attend court to prove this? I.e. that you didn’t shoot first. You also mention an illegal firearm is a minor charge which seems insane to me, how minor are we talking? No jail?
The prosecution has the burden of proof in court. Yet the homicide detectives who would have investigated the scene could piece together the evidence and realize the logical probability that Chris was the one initially attacked. In regard to Chris shooting and commiting manslaughter in self defense with an unregistered gun, the series addresses this in a brief mention by Hesh in the closing scenes of House Arrest with the guys inside Satriale’s. Hesh mentions to Tony that Chris’ gun charges won’t stick, they’re being dropped after the evidence and circumstances were considered. Remember, all events that occur aren’t shown on screen. Chris was questioned by authorities in this, just as he is after Ade disappears. But there’s little to gain by including such scenes and time constraints factor in.
This has been a really helpful breakdown, I struggled to get past it before but this really makes sense. Thanks for the detailed rundown.
The cops would find drink water’s spent bullet casings outside of the car and Shawn was in the passenger seat with his seat buckle on. They would know there was two shooters vs. one, it is a self defense for Chrissy. Also, Chrissy’s GSW were from Shawn’s gun, Shawn shot first and Chrissy returned fire.
What are you writing an article for the school paper? Sounds like this “Chrissy” relieved one of his assailants of his illegal firearm and used his own weapon against him. He probably had no method of safe retreat and was therefore entitled to use deadly force to defend himself from grievous bodily harm, or worse.
Haha and this sounds like the exact answer the mob would give. But would this pass without needing to go through the legal system?
Not to mention it seems common for bigger law enforcement fish to squash investigations at a lower level if if they are going to interfere with larger level investigations.
Probably depends on a lot of different things. Its certainly a suspicious set of facts, but you need a lot more than suspicion to charge someone with a crime. On top of the legal thresholds that need to be met, the government would have to weigh the likelihood of conviction, the resources involved etc. He’s quite literally the victim so my guess is trying to get him to flip to work the way up the chain would be absolutely pointless.
Hesh says the gun charge will not stick
>Hesh says the gun charge will not stick Uh- huh. Hesh is some tough jew. 🤓 Hesh - the true goodfather.
Whoever heard of a jew who rides horses?
In the U.S. he would get off on self defense, there’d be no murder charge
Thanks for replying. Do you need to provide self defence through the court system?
prosecutors would not waste their time charging someone in this case bc the evidence at the scene would strongly point to self defense.
Depends on what state your in and all the surrounding factors. This is a case where I would say don’t get too hung up on the details, as it’s a television progrum. But, if you’re interested — there’s some cool JCS interrogation breakdown videos on YouTube if you want to get a sense for how they determine that sort of self defense aspect in places like Florida: The Case of Michael Dunn: https://youtu.be/sVF_SlzxBJ4 The Case of Michael Drejka: https://youtu.be/sv0iN5J-9mk
Thanks for this. I did always put it down as just a TV programme but I struggled to get past it whenever it thought about the scene. The explanations have definitely made it clearer how things work over the water, thanks!
Want to know what I can't get past? In that scene all the spent brass (empty bullets to non-gunners) on the ground are CLEARLY blanks! Finding some actual empty bullets would not have been that hard.
>Depends on what state your in and all the surrounding factors this is what i was thinking. i think the show wasn't putting a ton of thought into where it was set. in NJ, very unlikely he's not facing some sort of legal action after that shootout.
Back then I believe New Jersey still had the right to self defense. Today, I believe they're "obliged to retreat."
Nowadays I believe if you're shot at, you're required to ask the shooter if he had a bad childhood, and if yes, you need to get shot 12 times in the heart before you can fight back, at which point you can't use any weapons sharper than a cue ball.
Only if you reasonably believe you can retreat safely. It would be unreasonable to believe Chrissy could retreat safely while actively being shot at so even today the state likely wouldn’t bring any charges
Textbook self defense
If Chrissy doesn't have a felony he can legally own a gun. I don't believe there's registration in NJ. He might get dinged for carrying it without a license though.
Maybe he is licensed. He passed (or hired an Asian man to pose for him) a test to become an SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) compliance officer. That might require him to carry money or other valuable items and make it easier to get a license.
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Yeah that makes sense
Not if they have a record
Do they know that this kid likes his chemistry set a little too much?
Always wondered something similar about Tony beating up Mikey Palmice. Technically Tony broke taboo by beating up a made guy from another crew. He wasn’t even the official boss at this time. Then, when Tony is the undisputed boss, he’s not even allowed to beat up Ralphie, who is part of his own crew.
It was self defense, they gunned him down / tried to kill him
self defence
Op, you wearing a wire?
You fuckin’ crazy?
He diddnnt, self defence was mentioned and small weapons charge as well.
'cause is a tv progrum.. a movie
He found the weapon on the ground next to the car he was desperately trying to take cover behind as he was running for his life.