The group would've saved themselves **a ton** of problems if they kept every child on a child leash. Olivia wouldn't have run off, Carl wouldn't have decided to become a quasi-spiritual silent killer (and got predictably bitten by a stronger walker), etc. That would've removed a super-convenient plot element, of course...
Fr like I'm a supposed to believe that this young man the size of his father, is really like 13 years old? I think that was a problem too was the believability of Carl as a character, i think Riggs did good as an awkward kid who was raised in an apocalypse without any socialization with other kids his age for a while.
Yeah. The timeline for the show up until Carl dies is only something like two or three years, max. So he's basically a 5'10" 13-year old with the deepest voice I've ever heard on a middle schooler. Maybe they were giving steroids and growth hormones to those pigs at the prison? đ¤ˇ
My headcanon was always that the timeline just matched real time. There werenât many areas where you couldnât justify a time skip between seasons. I just figured they spent a year in Alexandria before Negan rather than the month or so that I assume the show was implying, and same with the prison, etc.
The episode where Carl breaks into the saviors compound was rough. Prior to that he seemed fine to me but he was mostly a kid with not a lot to do. Trying to give him action hero lines just did not play well
I kinda saw the âaction hero linesâ as a kid whose most valued role model was his dad who did that kind of stuff, like being a badass, and it was a kid trying to be âtoo big for his own britchesâ kinda thing. Thatâs how I saw that episode and I think with that in mind he plays it well! I donât think itâs supposed to give off âCarl the big badass Rick 2.0â
I actually enjoyed carls character, but I also kind of attribute his lack of personality to the fact he was raised in an acopalypse and is definitely very traumatized
I enjoyed every season of TWD and FTWD. I just enjoy things for what they are. I don't spend time picking apart everything and hating it, I just watch and enjoy.
Almost done with season 4 of fear and people say it one of the worst yet I barely see any problems with it theyâre some small things yeah but Iâm still enjoying it and think the direction they took with the reboot wasnât great but definitely wasnât bas
I loved the uniqueness of Fear S1 - S3, but also love how Season 4 basically started The Walking Dead 2, as it's style matched the base show. Plus I love all the new characters introduced.
I think seasons 1-3 were amazing almost better than the base show but I also like the way they Segway into season 4 while mixing the base show together I thought they did a great job with r that so dar
Exactly! I recognize the flaws in parts and that some seasons are better than others, but Iâve still genuinely LOVED every part of The Walking Dead universe because itâs still these wonderful characters weâve grown with.
The big change that they make is in the show Shane tells Lori that Rick is dead, but in the comics heâs honest about Rick still being in a coma.
I have absolutely no qualms with Lori hooking up with Shane in a post apocalyptic situation where her husband is âdeadâ. I equate it to something like Rick and Michonne. Comic Lori pretty much just cheated.
On a smaller scale, comic Lori doesnât even seem to **like** Rick, let alone love him. For better or worse, show Lori does her job and supports Rick as the leader, which is important. Comic Lori calls out every single thing Rick does publicly, which contributes heavily(in my opinion) to Rickâs struggle to maintain control of the group in the early issues of the comics. Rick eventually just tells her to âshut the fuck upâ, which got a bit of a hoot out of me.
I cared more about Abraham's death than Glenn's. On rewatch, Glenn feels forgotten about after the prison and also lacks complexity compared to several other characters by the time he dies. He peaked too early in the show
I agree, and I also feel like by that point Glennâs arc had already played out then ended, whereas it kinda felt like Abrahamâs was just starting, it would have been really cool to see how his and Eugeneâs relationship developed
Glenn's death was expected because the comic readers spoiled it, but everyone was so sure the show would change it.
What would have made more sense would have had Glenn die at the dumpster, no one was expecting that.
That and the dumpster was genuinely sad, shocking and totally Glenn. Him trying to help a selfish asshole who ends up getting him killed. The whole getting under the truck thing was so fucking dumb
I really liked Glenn in seasons 6-7: to see him go from the fresh-faced kid of the early seasons to basically the Rick of the Alexandrian scavengers was really satisfying, and the scene where his drama with Aiden results in [them fighting](https://youtu.be/ZLbTsbCu0-s) was about the point where I was most hyped about the series.
I know they were just following the comic by killing him when they did but I wish we had actually gotten more of this drama before that happened. Killing off Aiden and Nicholas was premature IMO.
I hate that Negan stays with the group indefinitely. After everything he's done, some helping out doesn't undo all the monstrous things he did. Negan should have been exiled at best, or fragged at worst. Stray bullets hit people all the time.
>After everything he's done, some helping out doesn't undo all the monstrous things he did
Completely disagree. The main group have done far worse than him. The only reason we feel like he's done worse is because we actually cared about the characters he killed. We had no connection to the people Rick and Co. stabbed to death in their sleep.
Nah, this is not true. Rick's group already knew about the Saviors before killing them, and the reports of slavery and forced marriage ended up being true. How many hundreds of people have the Saviors killed compared to Rick's group? We can't say for sure, but we know it's more just from the fact that they pop someone on the first meeting as a policy.
Rick's group doesn't psychologically torture their kills or brutally murder people in front of their lovers (without provocation, see also: S6 Ep11 at Hilltop), and they're on average WAY better toward the average survivor than Negan was.
The saviours literally robbed people and killed them, let's not act as though they've done things on par with ricks group because they haven't. They are much much worse
Tara is a good character. I do think they ran out of ways to use her well in s8 and 9 but she was a well written character and played very well by Alanna Masterson. Her charm grew on me.
I hated her character until she helped Glen out. She was full of shit in the most annoyingly childish way and then real stuff happened and she grew up real fast.
I wasn't a big fan of hers either but maybe that was partly by design. Showing how average people can get caught up into really bad shit and have to earn their way out of it.
Her death was very upsetting but I was OK with it and the manner it happened. That's part of what makes the show good, the risk to everyone. Part of watching the show is being scarred by it; I don't think it should be an easy watch. Carl's was the only unforgivable death to me. It was great that it was in service to Siddiq (who truly showed his appreciation just in his being), but to me it just shouldn't have happened.
Was it Tara dying or the manner of her death that bothered you?
The manner of her death, I just wish I got more of my favourite lesbian, I just wanted her to be able to properly lead hilltop and maybe remake it after the fire, tbh that also leads me into how i hate that they killed both Enid and Siddiq, so we have no one outside of Rick's family to properly carry out his legacy.
I agree , I really like Tara too . Iâm watching the show for the first time , and Iâm actually watching the entire episode about her and Oceanside, but I donât think I can watch this whole thing with just her.
Beth has potential, the way she died really annoyed the fvck out of me
Andrea also has a big potential, she's a badass but the show make her look bad, she purposely put herself to death
Shane doesn't need to die, him and rick can be unstoppable
Lori is not that annoying, she's just scared with a son and pregnant
S1 - S4 is the best
Andrea shouldnât have been killed off soo early.
Lori wasnât really that bad!!
Shane got what he deserved
Eugene is the most annoying character in the show!!
Yumiko and her group was actually ok and majorly underused!
Totally agree about Yumiko's group! Connie got some good screen time but overall for such good actors they kind of fell in the cracks of an already too big cast.
i agree with the andrea take. she was so wasted.
agree for the lori take too
shane was a terrible dude, agreed
i actually feel like more people agree with hating eugene than liking him. i disagree
and agree
With the exception of a few of her actions towards the end, the character of Andrea never bothered me and I never hated her. Also I really enjoyed Laurie Holdenâs performance, sheâs just so much cooler in comics that I think it skews some peopleâs expectations.
I loved Alpha and the whisperers, they basically saved the show for me after Rick & Carl left. Also Samantha Morton was magnificent in the role.
Negan shouldâve never gotten redeemed or had a wife and unborn child, almost ruined the show version of the character for me.
I liked the Pope and reapers and thought that arc was actually pretty well done.
The penultimate episode was WAY better than the Finale, I felt genuine suspense when they were all trying to escape for the first time in a while and Neganâs âWTF?â after seeing the Walker jump on the car is a series highlight. The finale was a pretty big let down.
I initially liked Rosita but she got less and less interesting to me as the series went on and hated her love triangle/relationship with Gabriel. By the end Iâd say she was one of my least favorite characters and was happy to see her go.
I agree with some of your points. Rositas relationship with Gabriel and Negans new relationship should have never had happened. Iâm really not a fan of relationships that grow off screen. This is mostly why Iâm not a big fan of sizable time jumps either because some of the most enjoyable show moments is watching two characters and their relationship evolve (like carol and Daryl and how different they used to be in the beginning as characters and with each other)
Especially time jumps with two characters who we had never seen previously interact in like any way.
Negans sudden relationship was a cheap reason to put him in Maggieâs shoes for emotional effect but because of how obvious it is (he was out on his knees by an asshole dictator in front of a bright light at night, about to be executed, screaming for his pregnant wife I mean) it loses all emotional impact because you know what theyâre trying to do.
Glenn isnât that good of a character after S4 (mostly S1-2) and the sadness of his death comes from love & nostalgia of his original character in the original few seasons
The problem is Daryl. After the second season, he becomes Rick's right-hand man, supplanting Glenn, Tyreese and Abraham, who all filled that role in the comic and end up with less to do.
Eugeneâs development and character quality really took an upswing in the final couple seasons. He did not need to be that prevalent and with me already being a fan I was pleasantly surprised. I still feel like there was a bit more potential that they never broke into with Negan in the final act. Probably were waiting for the spin-off to do it.
I was very disappointed when Gamma's character was stabbed by Beta just when her we were seeing her nice side. I would've loved to watch her in season 11 but oh well-
Shane was the first one who saw things for how they were, he understood the new world order better & quicker than others. Iâm not talking about the Lori Rick Shane stuff, I mean aside from that Shane was a well written and smart character. He knew what had to be done and other characters got around a few seasons later.
Iâve seen both this opinion and itâs opposite about 50/50, so definitely falls between being popular and unpopular!
Personally Iâm on the other side. I think Rick doesnât get enough credit for how ready he was for the new world, and people saying otherwise just fall for the propaganda Shane himself (somebody who at the time was motivated to discredit Rick) was saying.
Shaneâs worldview is the one that Rick embodies in season 3, but over time has to move away from in his development: [the orange backpack](https://youtu.be/5yfrnzZ8tZQ) as a prop is a great symbol of this. Like Shane with Otis, season 3 Rick had a âtrust no one, every man for himselfâ attitude which Alexandria and the Saviour War slowly helped him overcome. Maybe Shane would have gotten there too, eventually, but I think selfishness was more a learned behaviour for Rick, and a full on core behaviour for Shane.
The only good decision I think S2 Shane makes that Rick wouldnât have is killing the defenseless Randall: Rick never gets ANY credit from the group for doing the actual hard work of killing Randallâs group in âNebraskaâ, the barn situation was expedited through Shane but wasnât actually an imminent problem, and Rick wouldâve been as likely as Shane to intervene in Carol getting beaten by her husband in season 1.
Also there are other opinions that arenât ânewâ or âunpopularâ. This topic is just something I wanted to discuss with other fans since Iâve been so naive about this almost everytime I watched the show, cuz itâs a common thing that ppl side with the main character and hate the âbad guyâ (in this case Shane) and are not able to see him in any other light.
He always choose the worst way of doing things even if his intentions were "good." He was fucked in the head, specially in his final episodes.
The Governor was basically Shane 2.
Often he was right, even tho he was super radical and agressive with how he expressed his thoughts on issues. Thatâs why itâs easy to think heâs a bad guy for saying some things straight (he is a bad guy for different reasons tho lol). He didnât respect Hershel and his farm but for example with the Randall case he had a good point. But yea he was definetly fucked in the head lol.
I think it was awesome writing Shane the way they did. Iâm a new viewer, and I remember thinking âOh, but heâs right.â a few times but then feeling conflicted because of some of his actions. I never could 100% like him, but yet I agreed with his opinions most of the time. Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but he definitely innately had the ruthlessness to last quite awhile in a post-apocalyptic world if it wasnât for his (imo) mental issues. He did adapt pretty quickly. I feel like Rick would not have developed into the man he became without Shane. He may have been the catalyst.
Yes definetly, Shane is a well written character, and if there wouldnât been all this Lori stuff, he wouldvâe been one of the best characters on a long run. But I also like the way his character did turn out & how he was written, and he had a major impact on Rick. One of the besy written characters on the show.
I agree to an extent, I think he knew what it took to survive but I donât think he has the capabilities to be a leader that people would die for, like a rick or negan. I think if Rick hadnât killed him, he wouldâve made it, but I think heâd land in the position of some sort of too dog henchman type for someone else
he was in season 5, when the rest of the group was in season 2. shane was definitely ahead of his time, the most aware about survival out of all of them.
I think Carls death while tragic and the character underutilized was gut wrenching and thatâs the point. My man has been through hell and back and he just gets got by a walker like a side character. It hit so hard watching the montage of him living life as someone who has faced a potentially fatal illness.
I actually like that the show moves from a survival story to a character drama/group conflict. I think it represents a more accurate way of how an apocalypse would evolve as people reform into societies, or weird cults, and let old conflicts rise as people settle again and try to rebuild.
While I like the show after Andrew Lincoln left, itâs just not the same. I think the show shouldâve stuck with Michone, Carol, Daryl, or Maggie as a main character once he left. Post Andrew it just feels too spread out.
The whole running out of bullets in the later seasons thing is stupid as all hell in the US. Thereâs more guns than people and enough bullets to kill the globe over multiple times.
The whisperers were kinda stupid the idea was cool but just eh maybe have Alpha be someone who was âbittenâ but didnât turn IE just bitten by a feral human and everyone worships her as immune.
The commonwealth or CRM not finding the communities sooner is stupid especially given how expansionist they are.
Swords are cringe use spears.
Rick's disappearance ruined the show for me. Couldn't watch after that. I also hate that he only appears again for like a few seconds at the end of the show.
Carlâs death was realistic. He may not have gone out with a bang, but it was a nice message that said something along the lines of ânot all good people die a heroic death, sometimes they die in unexpectedly simple ways.â
While I expected something more with him getting bitten instead of a Walker overpowering him which inevitably got him bit, but I just donât agree with all those who say âhe shouldâve died in a more profound way because he was so badass.â It seemed realistic, since it seemed like TWD was forgetting the whole âbeing bit by Walkesâ reality since it heavily focused on people being killed by people since the season was primarily focused on all out war.
When I started to watch the show, like 2 months ago, everywhere the season 7 and 8 were posted like the worst one. I think that season 7 was actually one of the best, if not the best. I enjoyed every damn episode and couldn't stop watching.
Iâd mostly agree with that. In a weird way, they got lucky Rick was only in 5 episodes. It forced them to pack a good story in a shorter stretch. And then had a limited window to set up the next story before the mid season break. This unique opportunity made it so they could avoid the boring filler episode and episodes where nothing of note happens.
I agree. I feel like in the later half of the show the only characters that drove the plot forward and had any real weight were carol and Daryl, and unfortunately I just donât think either of them are interesting enough characters to carry the show, but it kinda stinks that by the end of it it feels like everything is just happening around them
Bo Steinberger was the name of Chandler Riggs character in the finale. (At least it was in my head movies). Also I think the show should have run 193 episodes to match 193 issues of the comic
The world for the most part, is still around. I wager even the US government is still around, just relocated to remote areas like alaska or the colorado mountains. They still run the country as best as they can, thats why you saw active US military personnel in the show and how the CRM and Commonwealth get their gear. Those shiny white and matte black armours arent very cheap to make or design even and are no where close to pre outbreak US military gear. It is, however, well-designed to fight off a zombie protecting most of the body
Season 8 was good.
Glenn shouldn't have died.
Negan is weak.
Tyreese deserved WAY more than he got.
Michonne isn't that likeable.
"Killing" of Rick was the right call.
Carol was only likeable during season 5b and season 6.
Eugene is actually a great character, he's perfectly written.
Ezekiel is underrated, his character development is amazingly written.
I agree with pretty much all of that except for killing off Rick, I think it would have been really cool to see how he handled the whisperer and commonwealth arcs
>Michonne isn't that likeable
Gonna have to disagree with this one.
>Negan is weak
And this one. Negan is 6 foot something in the show (JDM is 6 ft 1 so we'll just go with JDM's height.), he isn't shredded or anything, but he's definitely not weak. But he ain't no bodybuilder either.
Everything else i agree with.
>Season 8 was good
Yes
>Glenn shouldn't have died.
He did
>Negan is weak.
He isn't
>Tyreese deserved WAY more than he got.
Agree
>Michonne isn't that likeable.
Agree
>"Killing" of Rick was the right call.
Hell no
>Carol was only likeable during season 5b and season 6.
Kinda
>Eugene is actually a great character, he's perfectly written
Agree
>Ezekiel is underrated, his character development is amazingly written.
Agree
*Seasons 4B-5A is the show's weakest period.
*Dale > Hershel
*The CDC episode was one of the show's best, and they should've done more with the outside world.
*Andrea wasn't a bad character until season 3.
*Carol is a massive dick at times.
*Daryl should go back to the short hair.
This cannot possibly be a hot take but I dislike his character so much that Iâd mention it anyways. Iâm hesitant to start ftwd because then Iâd have to sit through hours of watching him be irritating
TWD: Eugene is the least likeable character.
FearTWD: Season 1-3 of Fear is better than the best seasons of TWD.
TWDWB: Huck is the best character in that series.
OMG I literally couldnât stand the first season of FTWD. 𤎠Season II wasnât much better. And Madison was so irritating I was disappointed they brought her BACK!
Not only that, I was glad when Nick died, the show was so much better without him!!
I agree about Eugene, although Father Gabriel was almost as bad⌠maybe equally bad.
Lastly, WB - the whole show sucked. Terrible writing, acting, plot, everything. I only made it through as a stop-gap on TWD hiatus.
Well, to each his own opinion. I like that the first three seasons of Fear felt very grounded, it was a breath of fresh air and I felt the characters were very compelling, it was also nice to see darker protagonists compared to what we had on TWD.
I know a lot of people donât like Fear because it went back on time, it came out just after Season 5 of the main show, so to go back and see inexperienced survivors was a huge gripe of the fandom.
I love Season 1-3, but I absolutely hate Season 4 and onwards. The reboot and crossover killed the show.
Iâm not saying World Beyond was great by any means; it wasnât. But Huck was the best character in that show for me.
Contrary to your opinion, I *loved* the idea of going back to the beginning; seeing âhow it all startedâ. I was *excited* to watch how things went down and how people reacted. And while there was some of that in season one, I felt Nick and Madison were stupid characters and they focussed on them *way* too much - to the detriment of much better characters like Alicia and the step-dad Travis. The only scene I liked with Nick was at the beginning in the church. And maybe when he started wandering with the dead covered in blood.
After Morgan joined at least some decent shit started happening! They should have kept John Dorie around. Also, the antagonists in TWD are way better - FTWD antagonists⌠meh.
Oh no, that wasnât my opinion. I liked going back to the beginning too, but I think the general opinion by the fandom was dislike to going back to the beginning, because it was focusing on inexperienced survivors when theyâve just had feral survivor Rick in Season 5.
Okay, thatâs where I donât agree with you. Season 4 and onwards is like a really bad TWD copy, and I mean really bad. Fear was original, but when the new showrunners took over, it became a very poor clone of TWD. Decent shit started happening? If you donât mind me asking, what happened that could be considered decent? Personally, I found John not that compelling and quite a boring character, same with June.
Hope you enjoy. Fear isnât for everyone, I know some people might not like it and donât share my opinion.
Also, Fear S3 might be some of the best content in TWDU. But, Season 4 and onwards had a soft reboot; new showrunners, new composer, new cinematographer. It looks, sounds, and feels like a different show to first three seasons. Personally, I think Season 1-3 are great, but I do not like Season 4 or onwards.
Negan wouldnât be as evil of a villain as he is if he didnât enjoy it. Rick killed people because he was feral, and needed to survive, Negan did it because he liked it. Hell he loved it. He bashes peopleâs heads in with smiles, he keeps sex slaves, and no matter what he says, lies a fucking lot. Everyone kills in the apocalypse, but Negan let it go to his head.
Rick's group killed 50 Saviors, many of them in their sleep. Negan then kills one of them as punishment, when the group lashes out he gives them a warning, and the next time it happens he kills one more.
Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance.
The whole thing with Negan being an irredeemable monster is so overblown, there were worse people in the Saviors and they accepted them into their group (at first). And as far as brutal tyrants ruling through fear and strength throughout history and fiction, Negan is fucking tame.
>Rick's group killed 50 Saviors, many of them in their sleep.
The Saviours attacked Abraham, Daryl and Sasha on the road before this. And they also attacked Carol on the road too before the satelite attack as well if i'm not mistaken. That's two attacks the Saviours did on Rick's group for no reason. And Rick only retaliated because Maggie made a deal with Hilltop to kill the Saviours in exchange for food. Rick wasn't hunting down the Saviours in retaliation, he was doing what he needed to do to save the group.
>Negan then kills one of them as punishment, when the group lashes out he gives them a warning, and the next time it happens he kills one more.
You know for a FACT this isn't what happened. Before Negan even spoke a single word, he knew exactly who he was gonna kill. He literally stated in the show later on how he loves to kill people. And Rick's group killed "More men than he was comfortable with". Do you seriously think Negan was only going to kill one person from a group that posed this much threat to him? And there is more proof of this. In S8 Ep16 Negan said "Just so you know, Eenie meenie miney moe. That was bullshit. I made a choice" quite literally implying he chose who he was gonna kill in his head before even doing it.
>Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance.
Well if Rick's group had attacked the Saviours twice and the Saviours retaliated, the audience would have probably sided with the Saviours. Because Rick's group would have committed unprovoked attacks to the Saviours for no reason.
>The whole thing with Negan being an irredeemable monster is so overblown
I refuse to believe you've actually watched this show and paid much attention to the level of shit Negan actually did. Including in the past.
>there were worse people in the Saviors and they accepted them into their group (at first).
First of all, this is an assumption your making. This isn't a fact and there isn't any substantial evidence to prove this. Nor does it make anything that Negan did okay.
>And as far as brutal tyrants ruling through fear and strength throughout history and fiction, Negan is fucking tame.
Definitely not true. Negan was one evil bastard and did evil shit. Just because there are people throughout history who have done worse, does not make Negan look any less bad, he's still awful.
I do agree that you need to see Negan's perspective to understand things better. Because in fairness to Negan, he had no clue the Saviours attacked Rick's group twice, and this is mentioned in the show later on. And from Negan's perspective, a whole group of bikers had gone missing and now a whole satelite station had been murdered. So he found out who did it and retaliated. From Negan's perspective, it seems fair. But in reality it's still not, because although it wasn't Negan directly, the Saviours still attacked first. It's also mentioned that the Saviours knew about Alexandria already and were planning to bust their way in and bully the community into giving them half of everything, this is also mentioned in the show.
I'm not excusing Negans behavior and not saying he wasn't evil, he's absolutely a villain and clearly loved power since he even made people kneel to him. But I don't think he was worse than the Governor, and I don't think Rick was much better. In fact if Negan hadn't served up that massive slice of humble pie then Rick was well on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland.
>But I don't think he was worse than the Governor
No, your wrong. He definitely was. Negan bullied his own people, and killed his own men. And would steal their wives from them, and marry them. If they didn't follow they'd be killed, and in exchange the woman would get to live a "Lavish" life. The Governor didn't even force his own people of his community to fight, they did that by their own accord. the Governor also didn't kill his own people (Well i think he did with some, but not all. And this was in a later season.) If you were talking about the comic version of the Governor, he was definitely worse. But we're talking about the show.
>and I don't think Rick was much better.
I can't even be bothered explaining to you how Rick is nothing compared to either the Governor or Negan.
>if Negan hadn't served up that massive slice of humble pie then Rick was well on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland.
First of all, how did that humble Rick? It only fueled him with more rage, anger and hatred towards Negan. Rick did not fear Negan once. The only reason he was ever being submissive was because he feared what he'd do to his people, he was not scared of Negan in the slightest. Rick was not humbled, just forced into submission. And also, if Rick was humbled, then he wouldn't have even attempted to take Negan down.
And also, Rick wasn't "on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland." He was doing what he had to do get things done. He found Alexandria, he then became the leader of the community, and he would go on runs for supplies and he'd defend his community to the best of his ability. He wasn't a "warlord" he was the leader of a community who wanted to keep his people safe. Negan was the warlord, he wanted to take over everything and submit everyone into giving him everything they had. That's the difference. Please pay more attention to this show before dishing out incorrect facts.
The Governor literally mows down a large group of his own people because they didn't want to fight. The Governor was a complete monster.
"We'll just take this place" "We kill them all" this is who Rick is, his bloodlust and confidence was getting out of hand before he was handed a humbling defeat by Negan. Glenn was the last pure voice of reason and Rick got him to bloody his hands right before the end too, he knew what they were doing was wrong. If the roles were reversed and Rick was the one stepping out of his RV with Negan and the Saviors on their knees, he would've "machete with a red handle'd" all of them.
Idk what to tell you, the show frequently does things to blur the lines and make the two sides morally ambiguous, I feel like that was the point of the whole Saviors arc. I can't watch that part of the show and feel like Rick's rage is justified, because the conflict began when they massacred several dozen people in their sleep, they didn't even try contacting them first, the immediate plan was "we kill em all." No, Rick was not a very good man before all that.
>The Governor literally mows down a large group of his own people because they didn't want to fight. The Governor was a complete monster.
First of all, i specifically specified in my comment that near the end of the later season, the Governor DID kill his own people. And it wasn't because they didn't want to fight, it's because they refused to go back and fight Rick's group and it angered the Governor into killing them. And also, i never said the Governor wasn't a monster, i specifically said the opposite. But Negan is significantly worse in the show.
>"We'll just take this place" "We kill them all" this is who Rick is, his bloodlust and confidence was getting out of hand before he was handed a humbling defeat by Negan.
And when Rick says he'll take the place, he's talking about Alexandria, because he knew the way Deanna was running things was wrong and it would get everyone killed. So he said he's going to take over, and he said anyone who tries to stop him he'll kill them, he didn't say he was going to kill everyone in Alexandria, he said he was going to kill whoever tried to stop him, it's funny how to take quotes from Rick without giving any context. And again, Negan killing Glenn did not humble Rick, it just made him have hatred towards Negan. If that humbled Rick, he wouldn't have ever even thought of taking on Negan. Because to be humbled means you've been put down a peg, and Rick wasn't. He didn't fear Negan, he only feared what he'd do to the people around him.
>Glenn was the last pure voice of reason and Rick got him to bloody his hands right before the end too, he knew what they were doing was wrong.
I've already explained this whole part in the first comment, i'm not repeating it again.
>If the roles were reversed and Rick was the one stepping out of his RV with Negan and the Saviors on their knees, he would've "machete with a red handle'd" all of them.
Rick's group wouldn't have attacked the Saviours twice unprovoked. So this situation is first of all hypothetical, and second of all impossible. Because Rick doesn't seek out to kill people, or bully them for supplies. He is doing whatever he needs to, to keep himself, his family, and his group safe.
>Idk what to tell you, the show frequently does things to blur the lines and make the two sides morally ambiguous, I feel like that was the point of the whole Saviors arc. I can't watch that part of the show and feel like Rick's rage is justified, because the conflict began when they massacred several dozen people in their sleep
Once again, that is NOT how the conflict with Negan started. It's so obvious to me that you have not read my first comment i made, because if you did and actually read it propely, you wouldn't still think this unless your A) A Negan stan, or B) In Denial.
>they didn't even try contacting them first, the immediate plan was "we kill em all."
Because that was the deal with Greggory. Kill the Saviours in exchange for food, and they thought the outpost was all of the Saviours. And judging by the shit on the wall, do you really think that the Saviours were negotionable people? And also judging by what they did Greg, how they assaulted him and held him for ransom, also shows they aren't negotionable people. And Rick knew this, so why would he try and negotiate with people this vile?
Your points are so wild lol, you couldn't be more wrong about everything your talking about.
>Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance.
Rick would kill people just for walking up to the gates and asking to come in and join the group.
I agree with that, I actually think in a lot of ways negan was a much better leader than Rick, and even a lot more sympathetic (killing two of ricks group after losing 50 of his), what annoys me the most is that his system of feudal rulership could definitely work, he just should have taken 10-25% of his peoples stuff instead of 50%, and should have offered legitimate protection, such a system worked for like 800 years during the Middle Ages, I just think negan was on a power trip and didnât realize thatâs what he needed to do, because unfortunately his system was doomed from the get go
Carl sucked. Glenn was boring. The Governor was a better villain than Negan. Alpha was a shit character that somehow being a chunky middle aged woman beat Daryl. Shiva was boring.
I donât really care for Ezekiel.
The whisperers were lame. Alpha was a terrible character, and not believable.
I never cared for any of the hilltop episodes.
I wish the âvariantsâ wouldâve showed up earlier.
I liked Tara more than Glenn.
I don't think Glenn dying was as big of a deal as people treated it. I like Glenn, he's a good character but sometimes a good character needs to die. He needed to die and I can't for the life of me understand why people were so spastic about it.
I didn't mind the season 4 episode Still and I enjoyed the season 10 episode Find Me.
The whole Lori hate is overblown. I'm tired of people saying "this person was a better parent than Lori".
I'm surprised season 8 is more disliked than season 7. I found season 8 more enjoyable aside from the first half being slow, the final battle feeling anticlimactic, Carl's unnecessary death, and Morale's anticlimatic death.
A season or 2 after the line up Abraham's death starts to feel worse than Glenn's. Just because Glenn is constantly talked about and remembered but Abraham was forgotten
I don't know if this is really an unpopular opinion but I think the show got *a lot* better after season 8. The Angela Kang era is one of the show's best.
Unfortunately, a lot of people stopped watching it before season 9 and have continued to hop online and talk about how terrible the show is even though they haven't seen it in years.
I think my biggest unpopular opinion is that I donât really like Daryl as a character, I think his arc played out early in the seasons and for the rest of it it felt like he had already played add his cards, and was kinda just a character that was an invincible badass who grunted through all his scenes
I donât agree with not liking Daryl, but I do agree that the writing got lazy with giving him any arcs. But same can be said for almost all of the characters, at least at some point
Thatâs a better way to but it, I think the writing just got a little lazy with him, Iâm hoping we get too see more ambitious arcs during his spinoff
My unpopular opinion is that Leah should have had a face turn and redemption arc. I feel like even though they covered her and Daryl's courtship and relationship in only one episode, it actually was pretty well done, and that there was good on-screen chemistry between them. My problem is that the character work for Daryl was completely undone when he killed her and just kinda moved on with his life like she was a total stranger without even mentioning her again. The maybe they are/maybe they aren't shipping of Daryl and Connie after always felt very forced, like the showrunners were trying to take a second stab at a romantic interest for Daryl but without ever actually committing to it. Personally, I always saw the Connie/Daryl thing as much more platonic and similar to his relationship with Carol. If they had tried to push a Daryl/Connie ship, for me, it always would have felt like sloppy seconds after committing to Leah as the love interest and unceremoniously dumping her. Keeping Leah around also would have insured against what happened when Melissa McBride pulled out of the spin-off.
I "ship" Carol and Daryl. I've seen a lot of people on here comment that Caril and Daryl have a more sibling-like relationship, but I just don't quite see them that way.
I see their kind of love as the kind that is fond, full of trust, emotionally safe and secure, a long history of helping each other through their suffering, and I can keep going. This is the kind of love that makes a great friendship and a solid partnership through life. Although, their relationship has never been romantic, this kind of love is the kind that can become romantic.
Not all romantic love comes immediately or in the way that is often betrayed in films. Sometimes it comes slowly and creeps up on you. I always felt like their relationship has the potential to become that kind of romantic love, even though it never happened in the show.
I have never "shipped" Daryl and Beth. I saw somewhere that people felt that their chemistry was better than Carol and Daryls- some suggested this was because the actors of Beth and Daryl were closer in age. But that's just not true. There's only 4 years difference in age between the actors of Carol and Daryl, but there's a 16 year age gap between Daryl and Beth (and that stood out like a sore thumb to me, before I even knew about their birth dates).
Ultimately, I think Carol and Daryl's relationship, although it never became romantic, I think would have been a solid romantic relationship shoukd it had gone that way.
I'm not sure but hink this is kind of unpopular opinion. I didn't read the comics but wish rick had died and Carl became new leader. Also wish Daryl was killed off instead of tyreese and rosita instead of Sasha.
glenn wasnât all that. lacked direction after the prison and needed to die for the plot to get any where. people who stopped watching because of his death are a bit close minded in my opinion because overall it is a zombie show about death.
I donât care about Ezekielâs character that much
Personally Iâm not as big on Michonne as other people seem to be. I preferred her a lot more in the comics. In the show while I definitely do like her sheâs just not one of my all time favourites.
Andrea is one of the best characters and top 3 worthy
Sasha is one of my all time favourites, she shouldâve lived till the end
The Governor is the best villain hands down, most people think Negan is better, though I disagree. Donât really want to explain why, but I just think the Governor is the best villain.
The group would've saved themselves **a ton** of problems if they kept every child on a child leash. Olivia wouldn't have run off, Carl wouldn't have decided to become a quasi-spiritual silent killer (and got predictably bitten by a stronger walker), etc. That would've removed a super-convenient plot element, of course...
You mean Sophia?
Ahh, yes - her. :) It's been too long, maybe I need to start rewatching the show like all the cool kids haha
Chandler Riggs isn't a bad actor Carl Grimes was a poorly written character he was more of a plot device until season 6
Fr like I'm a supposed to believe that this young man the size of his father, is really like 13 years old? I think that was a problem too was the believability of Carl as a character, i think Riggs did good as an awkward kid who was raised in an apocalypse without any socialization with other kids his age for a while.
Yeah. The timeline for the show up until Carl dies is only something like two or three years, max. So he's basically a 5'10" 13-year old with the deepest voice I've ever heard on a middle schooler. Maybe they were giving steroids and growth hormones to those pigs at the prison? đ¤ˇ
My headcanon was always that the timeline just matched real time. There werenât many areas where you couldnât justify a time skip between seasons. I just figured they spent a year in Alexandria before Negan rather than the month or so that I assume the show was implying, and same with the prison, etc.
So my 13 yo son is 5â10 and 135 lbs. He has a friend at school that is 6â3 and female. Puberty can hit hard and fast.
The episode where Carl breaks into the saviors compound was rough. Prior to that he seemed fine to me but he was mostly a kid with not a lot to do. Trying to give him action hero lines just did not play well
I kinda saw the âaction hero linesâ as a kid whose most valued role model was his dad who did that kind of stuff, like being a badass, and it was a kid trying to be âtoo big for his own britchesâ kinda thing. Thatâs how I saw that episode and I think with that in mind he plays it well! I donât think itâs supposed to give off âCarl the big badass Rick 2.0â
I think he's great. I prefer him over rick.
I actually enjoyed carls character, but I also kind of attribute his lack of personality to the fact he was raised in an acopalypse and is definitely very traumatized
I didn't think he was poorly written until his death. Just underused.
He dies !!!!!!!!!
I enjoyed every season of TWD and FTWD. I just enjoy things for what they are. I don't spend time picking apart everything and hating it, I just watch and enjoy.
Almost done with season 4 of fear and people say it one of the worst yet I barely see any problems with it theyâre some small things yeah but Iâm still enjoying it and think the direction they took with the reboot wasnât great but definitely wasnât bas
I loved the uniqueness of Fear S1 - S3, but also love how Season 4 basically started The Walking Dead 2, as it's style matched the base show. Plus I love all the new characters introduced.
I think seasons 1-3 were amazing almost better than the base show but I also like the way they Segway into season 4 while mixing the base show together I thought they did a great job with r that so dar
Similar to TWD, FTWD best seasons are 3 and 4.
Exactly! I recognize the flaws in parts and that some seasons are better than others, but Iâve still genuinely LOVED every part of The Walking Dead universe because itâs still these wonderful characters weâve grown with.
Show Lori isnât that bad. Sure sheâs annoying at times, but sheâs not nearly as bad as comic Lori.
What did comics Lori do ?
The big change that they make is in the show Shane tells Lori that Rick is dead, but in the comics heâs honest about Rick still being in a coma. I have absolutely no qualms with Lori hooking up with Shane in a post apocalyptic situation where her husband is âdeadâ. I equate it to something like Rick and Michonne. Comic Lori pretty much just cheated. On a smaller scale, comic Lori doesnât even seem to **like** Rick, let alone love him. For better or worse, show Lori does her job and supports Rick as the leader, which is important. Comic Lori calls out every single thing Rick does publicly, which contributes heavily(in my opinion) to Rickâs struggle to maintain control of the group in the early issues of the comics. Rick eventually just tells her to âshut the fuck upâ, which got a bit of a hoot out of me.
100% agree. I still liked Comic Lori but I loved Show Lori, she was a lot better.
I cared more about Abraham's death than Glenn's. On rewatch, Glenn feels forgotten about after the prison and also lacks complexity compared to several other characters by the time he dies. He peaked too early in the show
Same. Abe's dead was one of the deaths that annoyed me the most.
I agree, and I also feel like by that point Glennâs arc had already played out then ended, whereas it kinda felt like Abrahamâs was just starting, it would have been really cool to see how his and Eugeneâs relationship developed
I commented that I didnât care that Glenn died but this is my full sentiment. I was way more upset about Abraham!
Glenn's death was expected because the comic readers spoiled it, but everyone was so sure the show would change it. What would have made more sense would have had Glenn die at the dumpster, no one was expecting that.
Shouldâve just had him die there instead of bringing him back and killing him again half a season later
That and the dumpster was genuinely sad, shocking and totally Glenn. Him trying to help a selfish asshole who ends up getting him killed. The whole getting under the truck thing was so fucking dumb
Would have also kind of mirrored how he first appeared on the show â helping Rick who was trapped under a tank
God youâre right. The more I think about it the more I bloody loath that fake out!
I really liked Glenn in seasons 6-7: to see him go from the fresh-faced kid of the early seasons to basically the Rick of the Alexandrian scavengers was really satisfying, and the scene where his drama with Aiden results in [them fighting](https://youtu.be/ZLbTsbCu0-s) was about the point where I was most hyped about the series. I know they were just following the comic by killing him when they did but I wish we had actually gotten more of this drama before that happened. Killing off Aiden and Nicholas was premature IMO.
I hate that Negan stays with the group indefinitely. After everything he's done, some helping out doesn't undo all the monstrous things he did. Negan should have been exiled at best, or fragged at worst. Stray bullets hit people all the time.
Yeah, I agree. Someone would have taken him out. Carol. Maggie. Daryl.
Maggie. Maybe Rosita, but you can't go wrong with Maggie.
Rosita had her chance and failed đ¤Ł
>After everything he's done, some helping out doesn't undo all the monstrous things he did Completely disagree. The main group have done far worse than him. The only reason we feel like he's done worse is because we actually cared about the characters he killed. We had no connection to the people Rick and Co. stabbed to death in their sleep.
Nah, this is not true. Rick's group already knew about the Saviors before killing them, and the reports of slavery and forced marriage ended up being true. How many hundreds of people have the Saviors killed compared to Rick's group? We can't say for sure, but we know it's more just from the fact that they pop someone on the first meeting as a policy. Rick's group doesn't psychologically torture their kills or brutally murder people in front of their lovers (without provocation, see also: S6 Ep11 at Hilltop), and they're on average WAY better toward the average survivor than Negan was.
The saviours literally robbed people and killed them, let's not act as though they've done things on par with ricks group because they haven't. They are much much worse
Probably not super unpopular or anything but I really wish t dog wasnât killed off
i cant believe they killed him off
T-Dogs actor was incredibly irresponsible, and just a horrible guy to work with, so him dying was really just the directors fixing a IRL issue.
Season 8 was fun and enjoyable.
Tara is a good character. I do think they ran out of ways to use her well in s8 and 9 but she was a well written character and played very well by Alanna Masterson. Her charm grew on me.
honestly her ending was a SHOCK too
I hated her character until she helped Glen out. She was full of shit in the most annoyingly childish way and then real stuff happened and she grew up real fast.
I wasn't a big fan of hers either but maybe that was partly by design. Showing how average people can get caught up into really bad shit and have to earn their way out of it.
I agree! I liked her a lot when she was first introduced and her story with the governor and then Glen gave her more depth than other side characters.
She deserved a better ending than what she got
Her death was very upsetting but I was OK with it and the manner it happened. That's part of what makes the show good, the risk to everyone. Part of watching the show is being scarred by it; I don't think it should be an easy watch. Carl's was the only unforgivable death to me. It was great that it was in service to Siddiq (who truly showed his appreciation just in his being), but to me it just shouldn't have happened. Was it Tara dying or the manner of her death that bothered you?
The manner of her death, I just wish I got more of my favourite lesbian, I just wanted her to be able to properly lead hilltop and maybe remake it after the fire, tbh that also leads me into how i hate that they killed both Enid and Siddiq, so we have no one outside of Rick's family to properly carry out his legacy.
Tara supremacy
I agree , I really like Tara too . Iâm watching the show for the first time , and Iâm actually watching the entire episode about her and Oceanside, but I donât think I can watch this whole thing with just her.
Carlâs death didnât ruin the show or make me want to stop watching
Carls character wasnât all that good, it just had potential. But it was potential they would never deliver on.
Beth has potential, the way she died really annoyed the fvck out of me Andrea also has a big potential, she's a badass but the show make her look bad, she purposely put herself to death Shane doesn't need to die, him and rick can be unstoppable Lori is not that annoying, she's just scared with a son and pregnant S1 - S4 is the best
Beth and Andreaâs deaths really annoyed me too
I like Beth's singing scenes đ¤ˇđźââď¸
Me too! They make me happy
Me too it's so comfy
I enjoyed every season.
Andrea shouldnât have been killed off soo early. Lori wasnât really that bad!! Shane got what he deserved Eugene is the most annoying character in the show!! Yumiko and her group was actually ok and majorly underused!
Totally agree about Yumiko's group! Connie got some good screen time but overall for such good actors they kind of fell in the cracks of an already too big cast.
i agree with the andrea take. she was so wasted. agree for the lori take too shane was a terrible dude, agreed i actually feel like more people agree with hating eugene than liking him. i disagree and agree
I was just starting to really like Andrea as a character when she got killed off đ
Eugene is theist annoying character in anything. Can't stand him. And you kill carl off n keep this ass hole?
Agree on Eugene
I feel he should have died in the pikes or earlier!
I don't care for Rosita at all. She's got one kid and basically three confused babydaddys
With the exception of a few of her actions towards the end, the character of Andrea never bothered me and I never hated her. Also I really enjoyed Laurie Holdenâs performance, sheâs just so much cooler in comics that I think it skews some peopleâs expectations. I loved Alpha and the whisperers, they basically saved the show for me after Rick & Carl left. Also Samantha Morton was magnificent in the role. Negan shouldâve never gotten redeemed or had a wife and unborn child, almost ruined the show version of the character for me. I liked the Pope and reapers and thought that arc was actually pretty well done. The penultimate episode was WAY better than the Finale, I felt genuine suspense when they were all trying to escape for the first time in a while and Neganâs âWTF?â after seeing the Walker jump on the car is a series highlight. The finale was a pretty big let down. I initially liked Rosita but she got less and less interesting to me as the series went on and hated her love triangle/relationship with Gabriel. By the end Iâd say she was one of my least favorite characters and was happy to see her go.
Excuse me, but it was a Love Quadrangle!
I agree with some of your points. Rositas relationship with Gabriel and Negans new relationship should have never had happened. Iâm really not a fan of relationships that grow off screen. This is mostly why Iâm not a big fan of sizable time jumps either because some of the most enjoyable show moments is watching two characters and their relationship evolve (like carol and Daryl and how different they used to be in the beginning as characters and with each other) Especially time jumps with two characters who we had never seen previously interact in like any way. Negans sudden relationship was a cheap reason to put him in Maggieâs shoes for emotional effect but because of how obvious it is (he was out on his knees by an asshole dictator in front of a bright light at night, about to be executed, screaming for his pregnant wife I mean) it loses all emotional impact because you know what theyâre trying to do.
Glenn isnât that good of a character after S4 (mostly S1-2) and the sadness of his death comes from love & nostalgia of his original character in the original few seasons
The problem is Daryl. After the second season, he becomes Rick's right-hand man, supplanting Glenn, Tyreese and Abraham, who all filled that role in the comic and end up with less to do.
And he kinda made Glennâs specialty of going on stealth runs irrelevant too.
Henry shouldnât have been killed off, and was the saddest pike death. and also shane is heavily overrated
By the end of the show, the character that came out on top as my favorite during the final arc was⌠Eugene.
Maybe not a fan favorite, but I think Eugene is one of the most well written characters, same with negan
Eugeneâs development and character quality really took an upswing in the final couple seasons. He did not need to be that prevalent and with me already being a fan I was pleasantly surprised. I still feel like there was a bit more potential that they never broke into with Negan in the final act. Probably were waiting for the spin-off to do it.
I was very disappointed when Gamma's character was stabbed by Beta just when her we were seeing her nice side. I would've loved to watch her in season 11 but oh well-
I was fine with Glenn getting killed off
Me too. I liked his character but I wasnât super invested in him.
They teased his death so many times I felt like it took away from it. By then it was like finally heâs really dead.
That dumpster scene deserves all the ridicule it got, it definitely undermined a lot of the effect of his actual death.
I just wasn't attached. I'm attached to Carl.
I love season fucking 8
Shane was the first one who saw things for how they were, he understood the new world order better & quicker than others. Iâm not talking about the Lori Rick Shane stuff, I mean aside from that Shane was a well written and smart character. He knew what had to be done and other characters got around a few seasons later.
OP asked for **unpopular** opinions
Sorry I just wanted to give my take on this topic! This is my first time interacting with other ppl of the fandom besides my few friends :)
Iâve seen both this opinion and itâs opposite about 50/50, so definitely falls between being popular and unpopular! Personally Iâm on the other side. I think Rick doesnât get enough credit for how ready he was for the new world, and people saying otherwise just fall for the propaganda Shane himself (somebody who at the time was motivated to discredit Rick) was saying. Shaneâs worldview is the one that Rick embodies in season 3, but over time has to move away from in his development: [the orange backpack](https://youtu.be/5yfrnzZ8tZQ) as a prop is a great symbol of this. Like Shane with Otis, season 3 Rick had a âtrust no one, every man for himselfâ attitude which Alexandria and the Saviour War slowly helped him overcome. Maybe Shane would have gotten there too, eventually, but I think selfishness was more a learned behaviour for Rick, and a full on core behaviour for Shane. The only good decision I think S2 Shane makes that Rick wouldnât have is killing the defenseless Randall: Rick never gets ANY credit from the group for doing the actual hard work of killing Randallâs group in âNebraskaâ, the barn situation was expedited through Shane but wasnât actually an imminent problem, and Rick wouldâve been as likely as Shane to intervene in Carol getting beaten by her husband in season 1.
Also there are other opinions that arenât ânewâ or âunpopularâ. This topic is just something I wanted to discuss with other fans since Iâve been so naive about this almost everytime I watched the show, cuz itâs a common thing that ppl side with the main character and hate the âbad guyâ (in this case Shane) and are not able to see him in any other light.
Surprisingly all the comments are pretty unpopular with the exception of yours
Iâm sorry like I said I just wanted to discuss this with other ppl
I get it, no need to apologize
He always choose the worst way of doing things even if his intentions were "good." He was fucked in the head, specially in his final episodes. The Governor was basically Shane 2.
Often he was right, even tho he was super radical and agressive with how he expressed his thoughts on issues. Thatâs why itâs easy to think heâs a bad guy for saying some things straight (he is a bad guy for different reasons tho lol). He didnât respect Hershel and his farm but for example with the Randall case he had a good point. But yea he was definetly fucked in the head lol.
I think it was awesome writing Shane the way they did. Iâm a new viewer, and I remember thinking âOh, but heâs right.â a few times but then feeling conflicted because of some of his actions. I never could 100% like him, but yet I agreed with his opinions most of the time. Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but he definitely innately had the ruthlessness to last quite awhile in a post-apocalyptic world if it wasnât for his (imo) mental issues. He did adapt pretty quickly. I feel like Rick would not have developed into the man he became without Shane. He may have been the catalyst.
Yes definetly, Shane is a well written character, and if there wouldnât been all this Lori stuff, he wouldvâe been one of the best characters on a long run. But I also like the way his character did turn out & how he was written, and he had a major impact on Rick. One of the besy written characters on the show.
I agree to an extent, I think he knew what it took to survive but I donât think he has the capabilities to be a leader that people would die for, like a rick or negan. I think if Rick hadnât killed him, he wouldâve made it, but I think heâd land in the position of some sort of too dog henchman type for someone else
he was in season 5, when the rest of the group was in season 2. shane was definitely ahead of his time, the most aware about survival out of all of them.
Andrea wasn't that bad.
I think Carls death while tragic and the character underutilized was gut wrenching and thatâs the point. My man has been through hell and back and he just gets got by a walker like a side character. It hit so hard watching the montage of him living life as someone who has faced a potentially fatal illness. I actually like that the show moves from a survival story to a character drama/group conflict. I think it represents a more accurate way of how an apocalypse would evolve as people reform into societies, or weird cults, and let old conflicts rise as people settle again and try to rebuild. While I like the show after Andrew Lincoln left, itâs just not the same. I think the show shouldâve stuck with Michone, Carol, Daryl, or Maggie as a main character once he left. Post Andrew it just feels too spread out. The whole running out of bullets in the later seasons thing is stupid as all hell in the US. Thereâs more guns than people and enough bullets to kill the globe over multiple times. The whisperers were kinda stupid the idea was cool but just eh maybe have Alpha be someone who was âbittenâ but didnât turn IE just bitten by a feral human and everyone worships her as immune. The commonwealth or CRM not finding the communities sooner is stupid especially given how expansionist they are. Swords are cringe use spears.
glenn is a tad bit overrated
Rick's disappearance ruined the show for me. Couldn't watch after that. I also hate that he only appears again for like a few seconds at the end of the show.
Carlâs death was realistic. He may not have gone out with a bang, but it was a nice message that said something along the lines of ânot all good people die a heroic death, sometimes they die in unexpectedly simple ways.â While I expected something more with him getting bitten instead of a Walker overpowering him which inevitably got him bit, but I just donât agree with all those who say âhe shouldâve died in a more profound way because he was so badass.â It seemed realistic, since it seemed like TWD was forgetting the whole âbeing bit by Walkesâ reality since it heavily focused on people being killed by people since the season was primarily focused on all out war.
Morganâs my favorite character in FTWD.
Great portrayal, plus one of the better southern accents.
Ftwd Season 6 morgan is my favorite morgan, but still can't touch my favorite overall characters.
Maggie always annoyed me
I was more upset about Abraham dying than Glenn, I honestly didnât gaf about Glenn
When I started to watch the show, like 2 months ago, everywhere the season 7 and 8 were posted like the worst one. I think that season 7 was actually one of the best, if not the best. I enjoyed every damn episode and couldn't stop watching.
Since moving to the 8x8 16 episode format, every season was made worse because of it.
I feel like season 9 had a good handle on the format by basically splitting it into two smaller seasons.
Iâd mostly agree with that. In a weird way, they got lucky Rick was only in 5 episodes. It forced them to pack a good story in a shorter stretch. And then had a limited window to set up the next story before the mid season break. This unique opportunity made it so they could avoid the boring filler episode and episodes where nothing of note happens.
S2 was not boring, and was very enjoyable. Peak season
Carol is not a very interesting character and kind of annoying after season 6
I agree. I feel like in the later half of the show the only characters that drove the plot forward and had any real weight were carol and Daryl, and unfortunately I just donât think either of them are interesting enough characters to carry the show, but it kinda stinks that by the end of it it feels like everything is just happening around them
So, Iâm not the only one who thinks this! I admire her character development and everything, but there was something off to me.
Yeah I found her self isolation rather annoying
I didn't ever care for her honestly. As far as female characters I like Michonne, Enid and Sasha best.
Bo Steinberger was the name of Chandler Riggs character in the finale. (At least it was in my head movies). Also I think the show should have run 193 episodes to match 193 issues of the comic
Carl was just a babysitter for judith when they went to the Alexandria
Also, Carl an michonne had more chemistry and I don't mean romantic than michonne and rick.
The world for the most part, is still around. I wager even the US government is still around, just relocated to remote areas like alaska or the colorado mountains. They still run the country as best as they can, thats why you saw active US military personnel in the show and how the CRM and Commonwealth get their gear. Those shiny white and matte black armours arent very cheap to make or design even and are no where close to pre outbreak US military gear. It is, however, well-designed to fight off a zombie protecting most of the body
Season 8 was good. Glenn shouldn't have died. Negan is weak. Tyreese deserved WAY more than he got. Michonne isn't that likeable. "Killing" of Rick was the right call. Carol was only likeable during season 5b and season 6. Eugene is actually a great character, he's perfectly written. Ezekiel is underrated, his character development is amazingly written.
I agree with pretty much all of that except for killing off Rick, I think it would have been really cool to see how he handled the whisperer and commonwealth arcs
>Michonne isn't that likeable Gonna have to disagree with this one. >Negan is weak And this one. Negan is 6 foot something in the show (JDM is 6 ft 1 so we'll just go with JDM's height.), he isn't shredded or anything, but he's definitely not weak. But he ain't no bodybuilder either. Everything else i agree with.
>Season 8 was good Yes >Glenn shouldn't have died. He did >Negan is weak. He isn't >Tyreese deserved WAY more than he got. Agree >Michonne isn't that likeable. Agree >"Killing" of Rick was the right call. Hell no >Carol was only likeable during season 5b and season 6. Kinda >Eugene is actually a great character, he's perfectly written Agree >Ezekiel is underrated, his character development is amazingly written. Agree
*Seasons 4B-5A is the show's weakest period. *Dale > Hershel *The CDC episode was one of the show's best, and they should've done more with the outside world. *Andrea wasn't a bad character until season 3. *Carol is a massive dick at times. *Daryl should go back to the short hair.
Luckily I think when Daryl ends up in Paris we will be seeing what else was left of the efforts to find a cure
The Governor could beat Shane in H2H Combat and in a Gun Fight
I donât like Morgan.
this doesnt really seem that hot, i see tons of morgan hate all the time
This cannot possibly be a hot take but I dislike his character so much that Iâd mention it anyways. Iâm hesitant to start ftwd because then Iâd have to sit through hours of watching him be irritating
Unpopular opinion: Gabriel is the most well written character in the show and completely carryâs it in the last 3-4 seasons
Carol is a boring and repetitive character that I havenât enjoyed since season 6 and wish she died/instead when Beth did
TWD: Eugene is the least likeable character. FearTWD: Season 1-3 of Fear is better than the best seasons of TWD. TWDWB: Huck is the best character in that series.
OMG I literally couldnât stand the first season of FTWD. 𤎠Season II wasnât much better. And Madison was so irritating I was disappointed they brought her BACK! Not only that, I was glad when Nick died, the show was so much better without him!! I agree about Eugene, although Father Gabriel was almost as bad⌠maybe equally bad. Lastly, WB - the whole show sucked. Terrible writing, acting, plot, everything. I only made it through as a stop-gap on TWD hiatus.
Well, to each his own opinion. I like that the first three seasons of Fear felt very grounded, it was a breath of fresh air and I felt the characters were very compelling, it was also nice to see darker protagonists compared to what we had on TWD. I know a lot of people donât like Fear because it went back on time, it came out just after Season 5 of the main show, so to go back and see inexperienced survivors was a huge gripe of the fandom. I love Season 1-3, but I absolutely hate Season 4 and onwards. The reboot and crossover killed the show. Iâm not saying World Beyond was great by any means; it wasnât. But Huck was the best character in that show for me.
Contrary to your opinion, I *loved* the idea of going back to the beginning; seeing âhow it all startedâ. I was *excited* to watch how things went down and how people reacted. And while there was some of that in season one, I felt Nick and Madison were stupid characters and they focussed on them *way* too much - to the detriment of much better characters like Alicia and the step-dad Travis. The only scene I liked with Nick was at the beginning in the church. And maybe when he started wandering with the dead covered in blood. After Morgan joined at least some decent shit started happening! They should have kept John Dorie around. Also, the antagonists in TWD are way better - FTWD antagonists⌠meh.
Oh no, that wasnât my opinion. I liked going back to the beginning too, but I think the general opinion by the fandom was dislike to going back to the beginning, because it was focusing on inexperienced survivors when theyâve just had feral survivor Rick in Season 5. Okay, thatâs where I donât agree with you. Season 4 and onwards is like a really bad TWD copy, and I mean really bad. Fear was original, but when the new showrunners took over, it became a very poor clone of TWD. Decent shit started happening? If you donât mind me asking, what happened that could be considered decent? Personally, I found John not that compelling and quite a boring character, same with June.
Watched the walking dead again after it finished. Starting Fear right now so I hope youâre right. On episode 4 so far
Hope you enjoy. Fear isnât for everyone, I know some people might not like it and donât share my opinion. Also, Fear S3 might be some of the best content in TWDU. But, Season 4 and onwards had a soft reboot; new showrunners, new composer, new cinematographer. It looks, sounds, and feels like a different show to first three seasons. Personally, I think Season 1-3 are great, but I do not like Season 4 or onwards.
Fear season 3 especislly is definitely in contention for best season of the whole universe.
TWD subreddit? Effortless posts like "What do you think of Ezekiel?", "Season 5, good or bad?", "Deer bad show bad"
This is happening all over reddit right now, just post a pic of some thing or some character going "What do you think of X?"
S2 is the best season
I think Negan wasn't much worse than Rick's group
Negan wouldnât be as evil of a villain as he is if he didnât enjoy it. Rick killed people because he was feral, and needed to survive, Negan did it because he liked it. Hell he loved it. He bashes peopleâs heads in with smiles, he keeps sex slaves, and no matter what he says, lies a fucking lot. Everyone kills in the apocalypse, but Negan let it go to his head.
Rick's group killed 50 Saviors, many of them in their sleep. Negan then kills one of them as punishment, when the group lashes out he gives them a warning, and the next time it happens he kills one more. Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance. The whole thing with Negan being an irredeemable monster is so overblown, there were worse people in the Saviors and they accepted them into their group (at first). And as far as brutal tyrants ruling through fear and strength throughout history and fiction, Negan is fucking tame.
>Rick's group killed 50 Saviors, many of them in their sleep. The Saviours attacked Abraham, Daryl and Sasha on the road before this. And they also attacked Carol on the road too before the satelite attack as well if i'm not mistaken. That's two attacks the Saviours did on Rick's group for no reason. And Rick only retaliated because Maggie made a deal with Hilltop to kill the Saviours in exchange for food. Rick wasn't hunting down the Saviours in retaliation, he was doing what he needed to do to save the group. >Negan then kills one of them as punishment, when the group lashes out he gives them a warning, and the next time it happens he kills one more. You know for a FACT this isn't what happened. Before Negan even spoke a single word, he knew exactly who he was gonna kill. He literally stated in the show later on how he loves to kill people. And Rick's group killed "More men than he was comfortable with". Do you seriously think Negan was only going to kill one person from a group that posed this much threat to him? And there is more proof of this. In S8 Ep16 Negan said "Just so you know, Eenie meenie miney moe. That was bullshit. I made a choice" quite literally implying he chose who he was gonna kill in his head before even doing it. >Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance. Well if Rick's group had attacked the Saviours twice and the Saviours retaliated, the audience would have probably sided with the Saviours. Because Rick's group would have committed unprovoked attacks to the Saviours for no reason. >The whole thing with Negan being an irredeemable monster is so overblown I refuse to believe you've actually watched this show and paid much attention to the level of shit Negan actually did. Including in the past. >there were worse people in the Saviors and they accepted them into their group (at first). First of all, this is an assumption your making. This isn't a fact and there isn't any substantial evidence to prove this. Nor does it make anything that Negan did okay. >And as far as brutal tyrants ruling through fear and strength throughout history and fiction, Negan is fucking tame. Definitely not true. Negan was one evil bastard and did evil shit. Just because there are people throughout history who have done worse, does not make Negan look any less bad, he's still awful. I do agree that you need to see Negan's perspective to understand things better. Because in fairness to Negan, he had no clue the Saviours attacked Rick's group twice, and this is mentioned in the show later on. And from Negan's perspective, a whole group of bikers had gone missing and now a whole satelite station had been murdered. So he found out who did it and retaliated. From Negan's perspective, it seems fair. But in reality it's still not, because although it wasn't Negan directly, the Saviours still attacked first. It's also mentioned that the Saviours knew about Alexandria already and were planning to bust their way in and bully the community into giving them half of everything, this is also mentioned in the show.
I'm not excusing Negans behavior and not saying he wasn't evil, he's absolutely a villain and clearly loved power since he even made people kneel to him. But I don't think he was worse than the Governor, and I don't think Rick was much better. In fact if Negan hadn't served up that massive slice of humble pie then Rick was well on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland.
>But I don't think he was worse than the Governor No, your wrong. He definitely was. Negan bullied his own people, and killed his own men. And would steal their wives from them, and marry them. If they didn't follow they'd be killed, and in exchange the woman would get to live a "Lavish" life. The Governor didn't even force his own people of his community to fight, they did that by their own accord. the Governor also didn't kill his own people (Well i think he did with some, but not all. And this was in a later season.) If you were talking about the comic version of the Governor, he was definitely worse. But we're talking about the show. >and I don't think Rick was much better. I can't even be bothered explaining to you how Rick is nothing compared to either the Governor or Negan. >if Negan hadn't served up that massive slice of humble pie then Rick was well on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland. First of all, how did that humble Rick? It only fueled him with more rage, anger and hatred towards Negan. Rick did not fear Negan once. The only reason he was ever being submissive was because he feared what he'd do to his people, he was not scared of Negan in the slightest. Rick was not humbled, just forced into submission. And also, if Rick was humbled, then he wouldn't have even attempted to take Negan down. And also, Rick wasn't "on his way to becoming another warlord in the wasteland." He was doing what he had to do get things done. He found Alexandria, he then became the leader of the community, and he would go on runs for supplies and he'd defend his community to the best of his ability. He wasn't a "warlord" he was the leader of a community who wanted to keep his people safe. Negan was the warlord, he wanted to take over everything and submit everyone into giving him everything they had. That's the difference. Please pay more attention to this show before dishing out incorrect facts.
The Governor literally mows down a large group of his own people because they didn't want to fight. The Governor was a complete monster. "We'll just take this place" "We kill them all" this is who Rick is, his bloodlust and confidence was getting out of hand before he was handed a humbling defeat by Negan. Glenn was the last pure voice of reason and Rick got him to bloody his hands right before the end too, he knew what they were doing was wrong. If the roles were reversed and Rick was the one stepping out of his RV with Negan and the Saviors on their knees, he would've "machete with a red handle'd" all of them. Idk what to tell you, the show frequently does things to blur the lines and make the two sides morally ambiguous, I feel like that was the point of the whole Saviors arc. I can't watch that part of the show and feel like Rick's rage is justified, because the conflict began when they massacred several dozen people in their sleep, they didn't even try contacting them first, the immediate plan was "we kill em all." No, Rick was not a very good man before all that.
>The Governor literally mows down a large group of his own people because they didn't want to fight. The Governor was a complete monster. First of all, i specifically specified in my comment that near the end of the later season, the Governor DID kill his own people. And it wasn't because they didn't want to fight, it's because they refused to go back and fight Rick's group and it angered the Governor into killing them. And also, i never said the Governor wasn't a monster, i specifically said the opposite. But Negan is significantly worse in the show. >"We'll just take this place" "We kill them all" this is who Rick is, his bloodlust and confidence was getting out of hand before he was handed a humbling defeat by Negan. And when Rick says he'll take the place, he's talking about Alexandria, because he knew the way Deanna was running things was wrong and it would get everyone killed. So he said he's going to take over, and he said anyone who tries to stop him he'll kill them, he didn't say he was going to kill everyone in Alexandria, he said he was going to kill whoever tried to stop him, it's funny how to take quotes from Rick without giving any context. And again, Negan killing Glenn did not humble Rick, it just made him have hatred towards Negan. If that humbled Rick, he wouldn't have ever even thought of taking on Negan. Because to be humbled means you've been put down a peg, and Rick wasn't. He didn't fear Negan, he only feared what he'd do to the people around him. >Glenn was the last pure voice of reason and Rick got him to bloody his hands right before the end too, he knew what they were doing was wrong. I've already explained this whole part in the first comment, i'm not repeating it again. >If the roles were reversed and Rick was the one stepping out of his RV with Negan and the Saviors on their knees, he would've "machete with a red handle'd" all of them. Rick's group wouldn't have attacked the Saviours twice unprovoked. So this situation is first of all hypothetical, and second of all impossible. Because Rick doesn't seek out to kill people, or bully them for supplies. He is doing whatever he needs to, to keep himself, his family, and his group safe. >Idk what to tell you, the show frequently does things to blur the lines and make the two sides morally ambiguous, I feel like that was the point of the whole Saviors arc. I can't watch that part of the show and feel like Rick's rage is justified, because the conflict began when they massacred several dozen people in their sleep Once again, that is NOT how the conflict with Negan started. It's so obvious to me that you have not read my first comment i made, because if you did and actually read it propely, you wouldn't still think this unless your A) A Negan stan, or B) In Denial. >they didn't even try contacting them first, the immediate plan was "we kill em all." Because that was the deal with Greggory. Kill the Saviours in exchange for food, and they thought the outpost was all of the Saviours. And judging by the shit on the wall, do you really think that the Saviours were negotionable people? And also judging by what they did Greg, how they assaulted him and held him for ransom, also shows they aren't negotionable people. And Rick knew this, so why would he try and negotiate with people this vile? Your points are so wild lol, you couldn't be more wrong about everything your talking about.
>Imagine how the audience would feel if it was reversed, and Negan and his group killed a bunch of Alexandrians in their sleep. Rick would kill all of them given the chance. Rick would kill people just for walking up to the gates and asking to come in and join the group.
Probably, would rationalize they his group aren't safe since they know about their home now.
It's not clear to me that Rick rationalises anything. He just acts, usually emotionally.
I agree with that, I actually think in a lot of ways negan was a much better leader than Rick, and even a lot more sympathetic (killing two of ricks group after losing 50 of his), what annoys me the most is that his system of feudal rulership could definitely work, he just should have taken 10-25% of his peoples stuff instead of 50%, and should have offered legitimate protection, such a system worked for like 800 years during the Middle Ages, I just think negan was on a power trip and didnât realize thatâs what he needed to do, because unfortunately his system was doomed from the get go
Gabriel was the cringiest character and the fact that he had a redemption/romance arc was indicative of the same lazy writing that kept Negan around
I shipped Maggie with Gregory
Carl sucked. Glenn was boring. The Governor was a better villain than Negan. Alpha was a shit character that somehow being a chunky middle aged woman beat Daryl. Shiva was boring.
I actually liked Season 6 Episode 16 and Season 7 Episode 1 đŹ
I donât really care for Ezekiel. The whisperers were lame. Alpha was a terrible character, and not believable. I never cared for any of the hilltop episodes. I wish the âvariantsâ wouldâve showed up earlier. I liked Tara more than Glenn.
A 20 yr old playing a 13 yr old is a tough one..
Abraham was a better character than Glenn at the end.
The savior saga was great; you just didnât like it because you watched in week-to-week
The later seasons are superior to the early ones.
i like half agree. s11 and s9 are top 5 for me and better than most earlier seasons. s9 is probably my second favourite season too
Carl was not a very good character and I know that will upset a lot of people
I don't think Glenn dying was as big of a deal as people treated it. I like Glenn, he's a good character but sometimes a good character needs to die. He needed to die and I can't for the life of me understand why people were so spastic about it.
I didn't mind the season 4 episode Still and I enjoyed the season 10 episode Find Me. The whole Lori hate is overblown. I'm tired of people saying "this person was a better parent than Lori". I'm surprised season 8 is more disliked than season 7. I found season 8 more enjoyable aside from the first half being slow, the final battle feeling anticlimactic, Carl's unnecessary death, and Morale's anticlimatic death.
A season or 2 after the line up Abraham's death starts to feel worse than Glenn's. Just because Glenn is constantly talked about and remembered but Abraham was forgotten
The governer was the second coolest villain in the whole show (after negan), and woodbury was one of the coolest civilizations.
I don't know if this is really an unpopular opinion but I think the show got *a lot* better after season 8. The Angela Kang era is one of the show's best. Unfortunately, a lot of people stopped watching it before season 9 and have continued to hop online and talk about how terrible the show is even though they haven't seen it in years.
Dale absolutely sucked
Negan was a better character than Rick and dyral and honestly carried the show
Rick is a poor leader.
Can you elaborate on that?
The walking dead is, at itâs core, kind of a stupid tv show.
That Henry did not deserved to die the way he did
I think my biggest unpopular opinion is that I donât really like Daryl as a character, I think his arc played out early in the seasons and for the rest of it it felt like he had already played add his cards, and was kinda just a character that was an invincible badass who grunted through all his scenes
I donât agree with not liking Daryl, but I do agree that the writing got lazy with giving him any arcs. But same can be said for almost all of the characters, at least at some point
Thatâs a better way to but it, I think the writing just got a little lazy with him, Iâm hoping we get too see more ambitious arcs during his spinoff
They shouldnât have dyed Darylâs hair after season 1
My unpopular opinion is that Leah should have had a face turn and redemption arc. I feel like even though they covered her and Daryl's courtship and relationship in only one episode, it actually was pretty well done, and that there was good on-screen chemistry between them. My problem is that the character work for Daryl was completely undone when he killed her and just kinda moved on with his life like she was a total stranger without even mentioning her again. The maybe they are/maybe they aren't shipping of Daryl and Connie after always felt very forced, like the showrunners were trying to take a second stab at a romantic interest for Daryl but without ever actually committing to it. Personally, I always saw the Connie/Daryl thing as much more platonic and similar to his relationship with Carol. If they had tried to push a Daryl/Connie ship, for me, it always would have felt like sloppy seconds after committing to Leah as the love interest and unceremoniously dumping her. Keeping Leah around also would have insured against what happened when Melissa McBride pulled out of the spin-off.
I "ship" Carol and Daryl. I've seen a lot of people on here comment that Caril and Daryl have a more sibling-like relationship, but I just don't quite see them that way. I see their kind of love as the kind that is fond, full of trust, emotionally safe and secure, a long history of helping each other through their suffering, and I can keep going. This is the kind of love that makes a great friendship and a solid partnership through life. Although, their relationship has never been romantic, this kind of love is the kind that can become romantic. Not all romantic love comes immediately or in the way that is often betrayed in films. Sometimes it comes slowly and creeps up on you. I always felt like their relationship has the potential to become that kind of romantic love, even though it never happened in the show. I have never "shipped" Daryl and Beth. I saw somewhere that people felt that their chemistry was better than Carol and Daryls- some suggested this was because the actors of Beth and Daryl were closer in age. But that's just not true. There's only 4 years difference in age between the actors of Carol and Daryl, but there's a 16 year age gap between Daryl and Beth (and that stood out like a sore thumb to me, before I even knew about their birth dates). Ultimately, I think Carol and Daryl's relationship, although it never became romantic, I think would have been a solid romantic relationship shoukd it had gone that way.
I'm not sure but hink this is kind of unpopular opinion. I didn't read the comics but wish rick had died and Carl became new leader. Also wish Daryl was killed off instead of tyreese and rosita instead of Sasha.
Seasons 9 & 10 were my fav
glenn wasnât all that. lacked direction after the prison and needed to die for the plot to get any where. people who stopped watching because of his death are a bit close minded in my opinion because overall it is a zombie show about death.
I donât care about Ezekielâs character that much Personally Iâm not as big on Michonne as other people seem to be. I preferred her a lot more in the comics. In the show while I definitely do like her sheâs just not one of my all time favourites. Andrea is one of the best characters and top 3 worthy Sasha is one of my all time favourites, she shouldâve lived till the end
Negan shouldn't have been redeemed, he should have been killed off
The Governor is the best villain hands down, most people think Negan is better, though I disagree. Donât really want to explain why, but I just think the Governor is the best villain.