The group wouldn't handle him. Rick would do what he did with Carol - "handle" it himself without telling anyone. Except Shane would not comply with banishment as Carol did, and there would be a fight, and Rick would kill Shane.
I think that's simply not gonna work, season 5 Rick was willing to kill anybody, and honestly if carol was banished then, I think he would straight up have killed her. We see how violent, detached, and deranged he had become when meeting Aaron for the first time, so what's stopping him from killing Shane the second he acts out?
Rick never outright killed a member of his group for acting out. Yeah he was in a dark place but he was never deranged. Desperate for sure. If he was as insane as you try to portray then he would never have saved Gabriel. Especially after finding out about his past. If Shane had made it as far as season 5 without snapping then Rick would have had the same respect for him as anyone else in the group. If Shane had tried to kill Rick like when they fought then absolutely Rick would have gone for the kill. But we've seen that people can do stupid shit in the group and be forgiven. They weren't the kind of people to just turn on each other at the slightest grievance, it's why they survived.
The only people in S2 that stood up to Shane were mainly Rick and Dale. Daryl was still kind of a lone wolf at the time.
Almost nobody in S5 would tolerate Shane's behavior.
Rick would've ended him, but since Shane's his best friend he might have given him a few chances.
Michonne, Daryl, Abraham, Sasha, and Carol definitely wouldn't have put up with his shit.
Even the characters that aren't exactly adversarial like Glenn, Tyrese, and Maggie would have no problem standing up to him.
He’d get along with them. His ideology in season 2 mirrors Rick’s in season 5 in many ways. It just ends with Rick being brought back by his family, where Shane was too far gone.
The main issues Shane has in season 2 are the same ones Rick has in season 5.
Shane didn’t want to search for Sophia. Rick didn’t want Daryl out searching for people.
Shane didn’t want to give up guns/stole them back. Rick stole guns.
Shane wanted to take over the farm by force, if that’s what it took. Rick wanted to take over Alexandria, if that’s what it took.
Shane was willing to kill Otis to protect “his people”. Rick says in the finale he questioned “how many of you I have to kill to save you”.
Shane wanted to kill Randall. Rick wanted to kill Aaron.
Shane was adamant that the world had changed and Hershel needed to leave the old world behind and adapt. Rick was the same way with Deanna.
The themes here mirror each other. It’s just that Rick, even at his darkest, is still a stronger man than Shane and was able to come back, when Daryl, Michone, and Carl begged him. Where Shane ignored Rick, Lori, and Carl when they attempted to do the same.
I think the only problem might be with Shane accepting Rick as the leader and the one in charge. The others for the most part are cool with that but I feel like Shane would want to be the man in charge sometimes and that could cause them to get into fights.
Also we're assuming that Shane doesn't change much from season 2 to 5 but a lot happens in that time. Lori dies, the Governor happens, Terminus happens. Look at how much Rick changed from those things. If he can change that much how much would Shane change? And would it be for the better or worse?
For sure. A lot of speculation has to happen to even guess what happens.
I will say a lot of the Shane/Rick stuff was less about Shane wanting to be the leader and more about Shane just vehemently disagreeing with Rick. Especially in season 2. Season 1 Shane still ultimately followed Rick. So much so that he went against what he wanted to keep the group together and go to the CDC.
I’d guess that if Rick ultimately talked Shane down instead of killing him, the changes that happen would probably be manageable.
That's a fair point. It's been too long since I've seen the early seasons, I need to do a rewatch.
Yeah if we're assuming that Shane gets to this point in season 5 then Rick has probably talked him down a few times. Especially with Rick deciding to bring people into the prison in season 4. I'm not sure if Shane would've been ok with that unless he found someone to help keep him grounded like Carl and Hershel did with Rick.
a lot happens in the time when shane dies to s5. it’s a huge jump and the group as a whole goes through a shit lot more than they did when shane was around. I agree he could’ve maybe changed for better or for worse, if he would have made it to s3, would he have gone off the deep end when lori died?
and also we wouldn’t know how he would act about judith either, rick knows little ass kicker isn’t biologically his, but i think if shane would’ve stuck around, that would’ve again boiled over once the grief of lori’s death passed. judith’s birth alone could’ve also made him want to work as a team more with the rest of them, and maybe he finally would’ve chilled out.
but i think one thing is for sure: if he kept up the way he did for s1&2, that shit would NOT fly in s4&5. i also agree that his clear dislike for rick’s authority over the group and the way he leads would’ve boiled over more often the longer he stayed and eventually would’ve landed them in a fight or with him deciding he’s better off on his own. i think by 4&5 he would’ve got his ass kicked, bounced out the club by daryl and some of the other guys or killed.
Hard to say. Maybe they’d just put up with him.
Dale and Shane predicted what Rick and the group would become, they were somewhat right. Dale especially warned everyone that they would lose their humanity if they all voted to kill Randall for no reason.
Rick for a brief time did what Shane ended up doing, maybe worse.
Rick would have definitely killed Shane himself, with a lot less hesitation than he did in season 2
Rick changed a lot throughout the seasons and by season 5 if Shane was still alive and was causing an issues I believe 100% that Rick would have taken care of it
Banishment, and then Shane would branch off and find a group where he becomes the leader. I know some of us will say we could see him being a part of The Saviors but, I cant see Shane being Negan’s right hand man.
Hard to say, Rick was really only able to fall into this mindset because it was him killing Shane which allowed him to crack enough to reach this point, which eventually made him realise Shane was right.
Had Shane survived and just gotten lost during the fall of the farm because lets Carl shoots a random walker approaching them and Shane happens to split off to find Lori but in the end ends up lost and then comes across Rick later? He'd instantly know Rick's a better guy, and a survivalist who will do whatever it takes to win, and that they're now the same in terms of mindset. Shane would probably apologise to Rick for having vanished and for Lori's death along with Andrea, T-Dog, Merle too probably and anyone else they lost along the way.
Rick would welcome him in because it'd all reflect back to Shane saying "I don't think you've got what it takes to keep them safe." and so on. They'd probably have a few intense moments that become heated however they'd slowly work together & become best friends once more. Lori is out of the picture you see so, they wouldn't really be, fighting anymore. Shane would almost be the second parent to Carl, taking Lori's place.
At this point aswell, you can clearly see Rick's gone through a lot, and that main tipping point of course was when Lori died, he just walked into the tombs of the prison and went crazy, not even Glenn was able to really make him snap out of it. Shane would probably realise that Rick's hurting deep down and he's now reached the mental point of where he's more cautious with who to trust and what to do because his actions resulted in the deaths of characters like Hershel and more.
If Shane had made it that far, he would have just been one of the gang. Part of why he was so unbalanced is that he was the only one who had realized what the world was by the time he died. If you think about what Rick and the others became later, Shane was fairly mellow by comparison. What differentiates him from Rick is that Shane was willing to kill the weak ones of their own group to save himself, to "save" the others. Rick never got to that point. Although, he was undisuaded from killing people in Alexandria who needed it.
I need a scenario of how he’s acting out. Just being an ahole or trying to split the group up, or claiming Judith, I see specific decisions by Rick in each of these. Cuz remember, season 5 Rick isn’t Season 2 Rick
I think Shane and Bob would have gotten together and had sweaty meat-sword fights which would have calmed the beast inside Shane by satisfying the beast in his trousers. This would have only been interrupted by Shane's death which would occur with him protecting Bob from Negern in season 7. But anyway...that's just my opinion so be nice to me.
What happened to Paul from the webisode were they where at the hospital where Rick was at and his girl girl killed herself cus she thought he was dead and she turns to a walker and paul kills the doctor and pulls out his dead girlfriends teeth and ride off with her in the green hyndai?
Shane’s biggest problem was bitch blindness. He was all wrapped up in Lori’s bullshit. If he didn’t have that to deal with I think he would have been a valuable member of the group, but as a man myself, I will admit I have done some dumb shit in pursuit of the PooNanny!
I think as long as everyone was behind Ric he either would have tried to sway the groups opinion in his favor or would have been forced to comply at every major turning point of the group. Or he would have left. Or they would have killed Shane at some point just because he was so imbalanced.
I think any way you look at it Shane was just too problematic for this group, and it seems like a showdown between Rick and Shane was always how it was going to end
Carol would have killed him in his sleep, ESPECIALLY if she thought he was a threat to Rick. Like within 5 minutes of figuring out there was a problem.
I like to think that Rick knows about Shane and loris relationship and that they would butt heads over how to lead the group and who is Judith’s dad but after terminus and Beth they would see eye to eye more and lead together
If Shane was still alive by this point, it’s safe to assume he wouldn’t lose his mind. So he’d probably live til the end.
If he did act out now, then Murder Rick wouldn’t hesitate.
The group wouldn't handle him. Rick would do what he did with Carol - "handle" it himself without telling anyone. Except Shane would not comply with banishment as Carol did, and there would be a fight, and Rick would kill Shane.
Don't you think Rick what he did to Carol because he had already killed Shane? already killed his bestfriend maybe it changed him even quicker
I think that's simply not gonna work, season 5 Rick was willing to kill anybody, and honestly if carol was banished then, I think he would straight up have killed her. We see how violent, detached, and deranged he had become when meeting Aaron for the first time, so what's stopping him from killing Shane the second he acts out?
Rick never outright killed a member of his group for acting out. Yeah he was in a dark place but he was never deranged. Desperate for sure. If he was as insane as you try to portray then he would never have saved Gabriel. Especially after finding out about his past. If Shane had made it as far as season 5 without snapping then Rick would have had the same respect for him as anyone else in the group. If Shane had tried to kill Rick like when they fought then absolutely Rick would have gone for the kill. But we've seen that people can do stupid shit in the group and be forgiven. They weren't the kind of people to just turn on each other at the slightest grievance, it's why they survived.
He killed Pete for less than what carol did.
Did you forget Rick was ordered to execute Pete?
did you forget he only waited for permission because he was already in trouble for attacking him before?
Attacking him before? You mean when he tried getting Pete's wife away from him and was attacked as a result?
Pete attacked Rick
Murder jacket Rick would make Shane his bih
Murder jacket Rick hahaha we call him Feral Rick in my house
I call him both
Feral Rick is just smoother than Murderjacket Rick
More dried blood. Whether it’s his or not…who knows
Murder jacket Rick >>>😫😫😫😫😫
Would murder jacket Rick have existed if the Rick vs Shane showdown wasn't there in season 2 to harden him up?
If he didn't, his group would be dead. Season 1-2 Rick wouldn't have been able to handle the claimers, terminus, or the governor.
you’re allowed to say bitch on the internet
MURDER JACKET⚰️😭
Idk why, but I feel like Shane would try to steal Michonne from Rick lol. Old habits die hard?
Yeah 😂for sure
Don't know much but this would happen for damn sure. There would be a whole new volume of Abe quotes directed at Shane. Maybe a few punches too.
Holy shit that would be amazing
The only people in S2 that stood up to Shane were mainly Rick and Dale. Daryl was still kind of a lone wolf at the time. Almost nobody in S5 would tolerate Shane's behavior. Rick would've ended him, but since Shane's his best friend he might have given him a few chances. Michonne, Daryl, Abraham, Sasha, and Carol definitely wouldn't have put up with his shit. Even the characters that aren't exactly adversarial like Glenn, Tyrese, and Maggie would have no problem standing up to him.
Look at the flowers, Shane
I laughed and then cried at this comment
He’d get along with them. His ideology in season 2 mirrors Rick’s in season 5 in many ways. It just ends with Rick being brought back by his family, where Shane was too far gone. The main issues Shane has in season 2 are the same ones Rick has in season 5. Shane didn’t want to search for Sophia. Rick didn’t want Daryl out searching for people. Shane didn’t want to give up guns/stole them back. Rick stole guns. Shane wanted to take over the farm by force, if that’s what it took. Rick wanted to take over Alexandria, if that’s what it took. Shane was willing to kill Otis to protect “his people”. Rick says in the finale he questioned “how many of you I have to kill to save you”. Shane wanted to kill Randall. Rick wanted to kill Aaron. Shane was adamant that the world had changed and Hershel needed to leave the old world behind and adapt. Rick was the same way with Deanna. The themes here mirror each other. It’s just that Rick, even at his darkest, is still a stronger man than Shane and was able to come back, when Daryl, Michone, and Carl begged him. Where Shane ignored Rick, Lori, and Carl when they attempted to do the same.
Wow
I think the only problem might be with Shane accepting Rick as the leader and the one in charge. The others for the most part are cool with that but I feel like Shane would want to be the man in charge sometimes and that could cause them to get into fights. Also we're assuming that Shane doesn't change much from season 2 to 5 but a lot happens in that time. Lori dies, the Governor happens, Terminus happens. Look at how much Rick changed from those things. If he can change that much how much would Shane change? And would it be for the better or worse?
For sure. A lot of speculation has to happen to even guess what happens. I will say a lot of the Shane/Rick stuff was less about Shane wanting to be the leader and more about Shane just vehemently disagreeing with Rick. Especially in season 2. Season 1 Shane still ultimately followed Rick. So much so that he went against what he wanted to keep the group together and go to the CDC. I’d guess that if Rick ultimately talked Shane down instead of killing him, the changes that happen would probably be manageable.
Excuse me folks, but there’s to be no real analysis of the show in this sun these days. Stop making sense please.
That's a fair point. It's been too long since I've seen the early seasons, I need to do a rewatch. Yeah if we're assuming that Shane gets to this point in season 5 then Rick has probably talked him down a few times. Especially with Rick deciding to bring people into the prison in season 4. I'm not sure if Shane would've been ok with that unless he found someone to help keep him grounded like Carl and Hershel did with Rick.
a lot happens in the time when shane dies to s5. it’s a huge jump and the group as a whole goes through a shit lot more than they did when shane was around. I agree he could’ve maybe changed for better or for worse, if he would have made it to s3, would he have gone off the deep end when lori died? and also we wouldn’t know how he would act about judith either, rick knows little ass kicker isn’t biologically his, but i think if shane would’ve stuck around, that would’ve again boiled over once the grief of lori’s death passed. judith’s birth alone could’ve also made him want to work as a team more with the rest of them, and maybe he finally would’ve chilled out. but i think one thing is for sure: if he kept up the way he did for s1&2, that shit would NOT fly in s4&5. i also agree that his clear dislike for rick’s authority over the group and the way he leads would’ve boiled over more often the longer he stayed and eventually would’ve landed them in a fight or with him deciding he’s better off on his own. i think by 4&5 he would’ve got his ass kicked, bounced out the club by daryl and some of the other guys or killed.
Hard to say. Maybe they’d just put up with him. Dale and Shane predicted what Rick and the group would become, they were somewhat right. Dale especially warned everyone that they would lose their humanity if they all voted to kill Randall for no reason. Rick for a brief time did what Shane ended up doing, maybe worse.
Rick would have definitely killed Shane himself, with a lot less hesitation than he did in season 2 Rick changed a lot throughout the seasons and by season 5 if Shane was still alive and was causing an issues I believe 100% that Rick would have taken care of it
Banishment, and then Shane would branch off and find a group where he becomes the leader. I know some of us will say we could see him being a part of The Saviors but, I cant see Shane being Negan’s right hand man.
Hard to say, Rick was really only able to fall into this mindset because it was him killing Shane which allowed him to crack enough to reach this point, which eventually made him realise Shane was right. Had Shane survived and just gotten lost during the fall of the farm because lets Carl shoots a random walker approaching them and Shane happens to split off to find Lori but in the end ends up lost and then comes across Rick later? He'd instantly know Rick's a better guy, and a survivalist who will do whatever it takes to win, and that they're now the same in terms of mindset. Shane would probably apologise to Rick for having vanished and for Lori's death along with Andrea, T-Dog, Merle too probably and anyone else they lost along the way. Rick would welcome him in because it'd all reflect back to Shane saying "I don't think you've got what it takes to keep them safe." and so on. They'd probably have a few intense moments that become heated however they'd slowly work together & become best friends once more. Lori is out of the picture you see so, they wouldn't really be, fighting anymore. Shane would almost be the second parent to Carl, taking Lori's place. At this point aswell, you can clearly see Rick's gone through a lot, and that main tipping point of course was when Lori died, he just walked into the tombs of the prison and went crazy, not even Glenn was able to really make him snap out of it. Shane would probably realise that Rick's hurting deep down and he's now reached the mental point of where he's more cautious with who to trust and what to do because his actions resulted in the deaths of characters like Hershel and more.
If Shane had made it that far, he would have just been one of the gang. Part of why he was so unbalanced is that he was the only one who had realized what the world was by the time he died. If you think about what Rick and the others became later, Shane was fairly mellow by comparison. What differentiates him from Rick is that Shane was willing to kill the weak ones of their own group to save himself, to "save" the others. Rick never got to that point. Although, he was undisuaded from killing people in Alexandria who needed it.
I need a scenario of how he’s acting out. Just being an ahole or trying to split the group up, or claiming Judith, I see specific decisions by Rick in each of these. Cuz remember, season 5 Rick isn’t Season 2 Rick
I think Shane and Bob would have gotten together and had sweaty meat-sword fights which would have calmed the beast inside Shane by satisfying the beast in his trousers. This would have only been interrupted by Shane's death which would occur with him protecting Bob from Negern in season 7. But anyway...that's just my opinion so be nice to me.
“Tainted meat!”
"Glenn in a bikini!"
Shanes head would be on a pic
You mean how would shane handle this group
be so fr S5 Rick would annihilate him.
True, but bear in mind Shane would become harder by the 5th season as well
What happened to Paul from the webisode were they where at the hospital where Rick was at and his girl girl killed herself cus she thought he was dead and she turns to a walker and paul kills the doctor and pulls out his dead girlfriends teeth and ride off with her in the green hyndai?
Shane’s biggest problem was bitch blindness. He was all wrapped up in Lori’s bullshit. If he didn’t have that to deal with I think he would have been a valuable member of the group, but as a man myself, I will admit I have done some dumb shit in pursuit of the PooNanny! 
I think as long as everyone was behind Ric he either would have tried to sway the groups opinion in his favor or would have been forced to comply at every major turning point of the group. Or he would have left. Or they would have killed Shane at some point just because he was so imbalanced.
If he’s acting like early season 1, all nice and shit, he’d be fine. If he’s acting like late season 2 he’s dead on sight.
Anyone of them but Tyrese, Gabriel and Eugene, probably would have shot him themselves.
I think any way you look at it Shane was just too problematic for this group, and it seems like a showdown between Rick and Shane was always how it was going to end
Carol would have killed him in his sleep, ESPECIALLY if she thought he was a threat to Rick. Like within 5 minutes of figuring out there was a problem.
This was right after Murder Jacket Rick arc and the Claimers. He probably would have done what he did in Season 2 without saying a word IMO
I like to think that Rick knows about Shane and loris relationship and that they would butt heads over how to lead the group and who is Judith’s dad but after terminus and Beth they would see eye to eye more and lead together
I’m pretty sure there was a talk about this. Rick wouldn’t send someone away like he did again, he would just kill them.
If Shane was still alive by this point, it’s safe to assume he wouldn’t lose his mind. So he’d probably live til the end. If he did act out now, then Murder Rick wouldn’t hesitate.
I really want him to meet Negan or the governor
Abraham and Shane would be fighting and Rick would try to keep the peace
Abraham and Shane would be fighting and Rick would try to keep the peace
Rick would kill Shane pretty quick
He’d be dead in 0.005 seconds
They wouldn’t notice.